Smith? Why did you lessen the impact your article by talking to Smith. He can't get out the first round, I think his team's are one-hit repeatedly and if Giambi would ever talk to him (yes, Giambi is not a Husky backer under Smith!) Smith should spend some time talking to him about hitting! Smith runs the P.E./Weightlifting classes and believe me, steroids are not a problem. However, lack of time in the weight room might be!

Smith would probably benefit from some juice, he has a new girlfriend. Maybe we should character test coaches before hiring them.....10 years and counting, how long can this go on?

Trojan Man,

hahahahahahahahahahah....... you crack me up.... where did you get that one?

Anyways, i am satisfied with the size of my c*ck and will always be because both my wife and yours seem to be satisfied so i dont care....

seriously, you must be in a different universe if you have never heard of a kid being drug tested

Not a problem ...Only thing I might be positive for is ...

JIM BEAM !!!

TM

It's time to drug test Condom Man. Fill it up waldo!! Ha Ha

Joe Amat, Your knowledge seizes to amaze, you are the BOY!

Joe,
Good point about providing kids with another "out".

TM,

On a serious note, as a former coach, do you think that a "mandatory random drug testing policy" would give athletes the out to Say No and avoid the temptation - knowing that they could get caught?

Mandatory drug testing of high school athletes is legal and has been adopted by many schools nationwide in an effort to combat drug use. Since 1999 the U.S. Supreme Court has expanded the scope of legal drug testing to include students participating in all extracurricular activities, not just sports.

this article from 2002
PORTLAND, Ore. - A first-of-its-kind scientific study has found that student athletes at a high school with a mandatory, random drug-testing policy reported fourfold lower illicit drug use and threefold lower performance-enhancing substance use than athletes at a control school.

read the whole article at
http://www.ohsu.edu/unparchive/2002/123002saturn.html

Bill this is NOT NAZI Germany !

DRUG TEST A KID ?

TM

Tartan father sounds like one of those dads who believe their son when the son says "Dad I never drink and drive or drink at party's" Go get him drug tested then come back and report your findings to us!

I remember a Certain Dr. in San Gabriel in the mid to late 80's who ALWAYS gave the Prescription out . It was VERY common for certain people in the SGV to tske them , EVEN after HS .I still run into those certain guys around town ...and although we are still right around 40ish some of those guys LOOK REALLY OLD !!! It is REALLY a sad situation . Best of luck to those guys who saw that Dr. in SG ....YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE !

LIVE ON

TM

Mike Hawk,

You are probably a under achiever, who needs to take short cuts due to your lack of commitment. You obviously speak from experience regarding "small packages". You must have plenty of money for your wife to stick with you.

tartan father,

Sure buddy.....keep telling yourself that.. They are probably also taking trend and creatine... you need to accept the fact that your son and his friends now have small packages.

Mike Hunt,

You seem to perpetuate the perponderous rumor that the Glendora football team is strung out on steroids, however, you fail to mention one name in your rant.

My son is among the strongest and buffed players on the Tartans and I will tell you straight up, he nor any of his buffed teammates use steriods. He like many drink protein shakes, including N.O.-XPLODE and PROBOLIC-SR and occasionally NITRIX, as well as, follow an extreme work out and conditioning schedule. Coach P believes in sweat conditioning, not steriods.

Kevin Smith should have Giambi come and talk to the SH kids, maybe the coach can take some his juice and get out of the first round.
Cheating is not Cheating unless you get caught, i think all CO playes and their coach were on the juice, how else can you explain them winning CIF. I am telling you this is a conspiracy

The Giambi's have been taking S**t since high school.... at parties they used to do drugs (sniffing illegal substances), but i never seen them do anything else so i wouldnt be suprised about anything that comes up about them

From 85-87 the SGV was full of athletes using steroids. It was common knowledge as to what teams had multiple players taking them. Thinking back it was a very odd time, I recall the biggest detractor you heard about roids was that made your arms big but something else small. I'M NOT KIDDING. People used to go down to TJ and purchase Dianabol? pills over the counter and bring them back over the boarder. I remember guys being more upset that they couldn't get some instead of the disadvantage factor.

I was at my reunion earlier this year and found out that the first guy we knew of who took roids in HS passed away in his sleep last year at the age of 39. He never even played sports but he was the big guy on campus, I never found out the exact reason to how he died but I'm sure the roids sped up the process.

THEY EXIST AND ARE DEADLY! Be PROACTIVE with the kids.

Debating the merits of a testing program? What the hell is there to debate? Just implement a program. Problem is there are ways around it, like another teammate peeing in a cup for a person who is on drugs. This problem will never go away but a testing program can slow down the useage of some kids. I am all for it.

Read this story that was sent to me ..

LOS ANGELES – Only 1 percent of Southern California high school students report using anabolic steroids themselves, but claim 10 percent of athletes at their school and 10 percent to 25 percent of students on competing teams use the banned substance, according to a new study by the LA84 Foundation.

“While it’s not at all unusual for athletes to assume that their opponents have an unfair advantage, it was somewhat surprising that the perception of use at their own school was so great,” says study author Dr. Gary A. Green, MD, clinical professor at UCLA’s David Geffen School of Medicine, researcher at the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory and a nationally known expert on performance-enhancing drugs. “I think the truth about how many Southern California high school students use anabolic steroids probably lies somewhere in the middle.”

He noted that the 1 percent self-reporting usage rate was lower than some previous national studies but consistent with other studies across several different age groups.

“The use of performance-enhancing drugs in youth sports is a central concern of LA84 Foundation. They have no place in sports. Taking anabolic steroids is cheating and involves serious health risks,” says Anita L. DeFrantz, president of LA84 Foundation that promotes youth sports throughout Southern California. “Information about the long-range health and psychological impacts of drug use by young people is an important theme in our youth sports coaching education program. We funded this study to learn more about anabolic steroid use among Southern California high school athletes and athletes’ attitudes towards performance-enhancing drugs.”

Participating in the online survey were 252 students who represent 11 sports and 12 schools from the California Interscholastic Federation’s Southern Section comprising Santa Barbara, Ventura, Los Angeles, Orange and Riverside counties. Fifty-three percent of the respondents are male and 47 percent are female.

Twenty-three percent of male athletes surveyed have used muscle-building dietary supplements. “This is worrisome because the use of muscle-building dietary supplements is a risk factor of later anabolic steroid use,” says Dr. Green. “In my experience, users often begin with muscle-building supplements and graduate to anabolic steroids when the supplements fail to deliver expected gains in muscle.”

Another major finding of the study was that 67 percent of students support high school drug testing for anabolic steroids. Only 9 percent of students felt such testing would be a violation of their rights. Eighty-two percent of students surveyed felt testing makes sports fairer and 70 percent agreed that it would be good for their sports. Sixty-five percent said drug testing would make them want to avoid anabolic steroids and 60 percent said drug testing would reduce anabolic steroid use.

Attitudes among the participating students towards anabolic steroid use were overwhelmingly negative. Ninety percent disagreed with the statement that it is okay to try anabolic steroids once or twice and only 3 percent stated that it was okay to use anabolic steroids to get a college scholarship.

Dr. Green believes school administrations should take a multidisciplinary approach to fighting anabolic steroids use, including both drug testing, education about the health effects of these substances and ethical decision-making training. Currently, Florida, Texas and New Jersey have implemented drug testing programs in high schools. The California State Legislature and other states are debating the merit of doing so .

Read this story that was sent to me.

LOS ANGELES -- Only 1 percent of Southern California high school students report using anabolic steroids themselves, but claim 10 percent of athletes at their school and 10 percent to 25 percent of students on competing teams use the banned substance, according to a new study by the LA84 Foundation.

“While it’s not at all unusual for athletes to assume that their opponents have an unfair advantage, it was somewhat surprising that the perception of use at their own school was so great,” says study author Dr. Gary A. Green, MD, clinical professor at UCLA’s David Geffen School of Medicine, researcher at the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory and a nationally known expert on performance-enhancing drugs. “I think the truth about how many Southern California high school students use anabolic steroids probably lies somewhere in the middle.”

He noted that the 1 percent self-reporting usage rate was lower than some previous national studies but consistent with other studies across several different age groups.

“The use of performance-enhancing drugs in youth sports is a central concern of LA84 Foundation. They have no place in sports. Taking anabolic steroids is cheating and involves serious health risks,” says Anita L. DeFrantz, president of LA84 Foundation that promotes youth sports throughout Southern California. “Information about the long-range health and psychological impacts of drug use by young people is an important theme in our youth sports coaching education program. We funded this study to learn more about anabolic steroid use among Southern California high school athletes and athletes’ attitudes towards performance-enhancing drugs.”

Participating in the online survey were 252 students who represent 11 sports and 12 schools from the California Interscholastic Federation’s Southern Section comprising Santa Barbara, Ventura, Los Angeles, Orange and Riverside counties. Fifty-three percent of the respondents are male and 47 percent are female.

Twenty-three percent of male athletes surveyed have used muscle-building dietary supplements. “This is worrisome because the use of muscle-building dietary supplements is a risk factor of later anabolic steroid use,” says Dr. Green. “In my experience, users often begin with muscle-building supplements and graduate to anabolic steroids when the supplements fail to deliver expected gains in muscle.”

Another major finding of the study was that 67 percent of students support high school drug testing for anabolic steroids. Only 9 percent of students felt such testing would be a violation of their rights. Eighty-two percent of students surveyed felt testing makes sports fairer and 70 percent agreed that it would be good for their sports. Sixty-five percent said drug testing would make them want to avoid anabolic steroids and 60 percent said drug testing would reduce anabolic steroid use.

Attitudes among the participating students towards anabolic steroid use were overwhelmingly negative. Ninety percent disagreed with the statement that it is okay to try anabolic steroids once or twice and only 3 percent stated that it was okay to use anabolic steroids to get a college scholarship.

Dr. Green believes school administrations should take a multidisciplinary approach to fighting anabolic steroids use, including both drug testing, education about the health effects of these substances and ethical decision-making training. Currently, Florida, Texas and New Jersey have implemented drug testing programs in high schools. The California State Legislature and other states are debating the merit of doing so .

Coach Murphy's comments in the papers where funny and right on. I remember that guy. San Dimas parent. Nothing against SD, but this guy was a psycho. Umpires had to tell him to leave game or SD would forfeit.

pasqys damien teams were rumored back then to be taking them and painkillers and his current glendteams have been rumored now.........what a fraud that shotteheimer playoff coach is!

what about creatine. Thats legal right??

I could have told you that both Giambi's were taking steriods fifteen years ago. They both use to train with Tim Schneider at Bulldog Gym in Glendora. I'm sure they were not just taking their "Flinstone" vitamins! Steroids were easily accessible at that gym. Mark McGwire's brother J.J. McGwire was heavily involved in steroids at Iron Works gym in Claremont. What a coincidence, they both were teammates in Oakland. They must have had a hell of a work out and some powerful multi-vitamins! What a joke! What a poor representation for athletes(Hall of Fame) who come from San Gabriel Valley.

Nation wide survey:

In 2005....700,000 high school students admitted that they had taken steroids to enhance their performance and athletic abilities.

Now, what do you think that number would read today (2007)?

PLAID LAD

The only way these kids will be protected is for the CIF to man up and mandate drug testing. The old saw about the prohibitive cost of a testing program pales in the face of the potential health risks and just doesn't stand up in the face of all of the pontificating the state and section administrators do.

Maybe they can take some of the money they receive from the ball mandate and apply it to drug testing.

To me, the scariest part of the whole deal is the involvement of the parents since it is inconceivable to me that a kid in HS could afford a ongoing course of any type of drug therapy, legal or not, without the knowledge and participation of his parents. Where exactly do people think these kids get the cash to pay for steroids anyhow?

Hey mom, can I have $400 for a slurpee? Geeeez.

Is Senator Mitchell's findings accurate?

Who can blame these athletes for cheating with the amount of money involved. I am sure most of you would do it in a contract year put up big numbers ( Brady Anderson of the Orioles comes to mind) and then cash in. The example of Anderson who hit 16 hrs then in his contract year hit a career best 50 and cashed in. Until major sports gets tougher on these players it will continue. One other point to make. Once a certain substance is banned all the chemists and players do is seek out another substance that isn't tested for and start using this. This problem will never go away! I know it exists on the HS level. My advise to kids is not use it. Is it worth your body falling apart in your early 50's maybe sooner? Look at Lyle Alzado of the Raiders who admitted use and died at the age of 40. Kids it's not worth it no matter how high the rewards can be

Steroids and Enhancers have been around for years. Blinded are those that say, "Not at my HS!" The advantage of any drug use to enhance an athletes performance is nothing short of cheating the system and your own health for the purpose of receiving false awards and recognition. You want to establish a CLEAN program? Try testing for drug use. Unfortunately, no one really wants to know the answer to that question. By burying your parental and coaching heads everyone is open to say, "Not at our school!" Sound familiar?

PLAID LAD

GLendora Tartan Football?

Steroids?

YEEESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have heard they are in use by specific athletes who are at the top of the game in the SGV, I heard the rumors from what I consider reliable sources...

Are the accusations true? Probably...

Without proof however they are just that, only accusations, but I believe there is some merit to what I have heard by seeing some of these guys develop over the years...

Joe Colt

Like Alcohol you drink in excessiveness you die. Part of world culture. Drugs are here and you take enuf you die. Steroids are here and if you take enuf you die. We all know the consequences. HS Kids and college kids doing it not a good thing. 21 and over like everything else, Fair game. The sports world needs Steroids and they are hooked on it. The owners want them because it fills the seat which fills their pockets it is part of our American Capitalist upbringing........Cannot stop it now. Should have stopped it 20 years ago...too late now...split it up and have records in NON-steroid era and Records in the steroid era...Steroids are here to stay.

that shows the only way sgv athletes (past and present) excel is by cheating....

Let's be honest Steriods saved baseball! Pitchers and hitters did it and everyone knew. Mcqwuire was at the end of his career, much like baseball, when he found new life at the end of the needle.

Aaron Boone crushing home runs? Give me a break. The game is built on deceit.From the Negros Leagues and Buck not getting into the Hall to the abuse and forgery of Latino ball players birth certificates...baseball is no one to claim themselves "righteous" now. But who cares...the Home Run Derbies of Sammy, Barry, Jason and company are legendary...we all gasped in amazement! And built new stadiums with their willingness to destroy their bodies...what about Albert Belle? Twisting so hard he needed to retire because he ripped muscle off of bone! S.I.C.K.!!!

Who's to blame? Sorry Fred...this one's on the SPORTSWRITERS OF AMERICA! Stop being PR people and glammers and do your job...investigate, report and give analysis. NOW THE PLAYERS IN HIGH SHCOOL ARE "DOING IT AND DOING IT WELL" to coin a phrase. GNCs and men selling their wares out of the back of cars in front of the LA Fitness in La Verne is what it's come down to. Maybe players need that edge but in the end it's cheating...JUST LIKE THE WORTHLESS PATRIOTS...CHEATING IS CHEATING!!!! Here's a bunch of these Fred...let's start using them (***********************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************) Pass them along to your sportwriting buddies...use liberally.

You do a remarkable job here Fred giving it your all that but when a Prep Sports writer asks tougher questions than Bob Costas, Byrant Gumbel and that blow hard Frank (opps) Deford than something is wrong with the sysytem.

I say screw baseball until Steve Garvey gets in the Hall of Fame.

I think its time we start testing the bloggers for roids. What do you think Fred? Maybe it would explain some of the rants on this site!

Mike, whoever you're, that's not what this is for. Not here to accuse anyone, or any programs. Please, if you're going to discuss this, keep it in general terms.

Mike, go page yourself. Maybe you should see my grocery bills before you spout off your idiotic accusations again! (sorry for biting, but I just couldn't bear those false allegations on here anymore this year)

Steroid or Enhancer use is among our HS players but not at the High level of injections but there could be some rare cases of HS players injecting themselfs. Here in the SGV I doubt it. Most enhance their strenght thru body building supplements sold over the counter at your local GNC shops and Max Muscle etc. Creatine use is there and that itself can lead to steroid injections. If HS athletes over 6'0 are taking their game to the next level they will consider and not rule out steroid use. Steroids will be a part of sports from here on out ivestigation or not. As history shows us there is always a ways around it and the drug makers just keep getting more and more creative. Steroids are part of the game and this is the new generation of sports. Sad but true. Name all the names you want to it is not going to go away, the demand for more home runs and low ERA's in pitching not to mention the powerful arms out in the outfield have made and taken baseball to a new level of entertainment. This drug (steroids) plays no favorites amongst people and will become even more popular now that the investigation has come out. Has Cocaine,Marijuana,Heroin and now Crack and Meth ever leave our country? No!......neither will Steroids. Steroids are part of American Sports there is no changing it now. It will continue.

Lets ask the Tartan faithful if steroids are a problem in the "Pride of The Foothills"

YES!

yes i know of a few that use hgh or at least have tried it. probably 5% of hs athlets today are involved in some way with illegal performance enhancing drugs. no testing for it allows this to be a continuing problem but i think most kids are being taught the potential problems healthwise that can result