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Dan. As usual great point!

Baca easily had the greatest impact in the Sierra League. No other player can make that claim. As a defensive coordinator you have to figure out ways to limit Baca. Even when you slow him down he still caused teams to worry about his ability to change the game. Evidenced by his heroics at Damien. (Had to be there to appreciate his resilence) Next, even when Glendora played Ayala the real matchup was Glendora's "defense" against Baca....sure it's a team game but I doubt Ayala thought..."Let's stop Edwards!" Glendora was a TEAM....Baca lead his Team..huge difference!

Like David Lee Roth once said , when asked to compare himself to Sammy Hager..."Sammy throws a party...I AM THE PARTY!" Understand that and you'll appreciate Baca.

Finally...every team KNEW they had to score points to beat Ayala. They knew they had to have a good lead going into the 4th quarter...especially after scoring 14 pts in less thana minute. I saw all the teams play and with the exception of LA's Mc Bride before he was hurt (Easily would have been CIF and SGV MVP and Los Altos and Gano put another banner on the wall) Baca was an easy choice. The lack of touches hurt Edwards in my mind as much as QB K play. Both were invaluable to Glendora's success...that and teh defense from HELL.

Great job to everyone. No hurt feelings just one man's opinion. No better and no worse than anyone else.

Anyone know where either player is going to school next year?

Football Fan, I would think Baca made the most over all impact for a team, even though he only played on one side of the ball. Take him out of the picture and Ayala isn't even close to what they were this year, where if you take out Edwards
it would hurt Glendora but not like Ayala losing Baca.

Bill, nothing could be farther from the truth…….. It’s all fun and games until someone on this blog takes to heart someone’s sarcastic, twisted sense of humor and goes RAMBO. Then what? A whole new thread and dialogue on how that could have, should have been prevented. Be responsible gents when you decide to sit down and slam away on your keyboards. There is nothing wrong with anyone on here supporting their colors, showing great team support and even as Plaid has mentioned, questioning certain things that are witnessed. It just gets to ugly when individuals come on here (and we can’t keep playing the “kid” card all the time, well I guess we can when some adults prefer to act like one) and choose to use this forum to express their own personal agendas past or present against certain teams and or players, enough is enough. Hopefully this blog will come correct and get back to what it is meant to be, a home for honest, well thought out written analysis of HS football in the SGV. That’s right SGV not the IE or OC, if the IE and OC are as proud of their football as they claim, here’s my two cents……GET YOUR OWN BLOG GOING!!!!!! STOP BITTING!!!!

Gentle Contraption,
I get your point but I don't think you entirely got mine. MVP honors should go to the player that made the most overall impact. Edwards made that on both sides of the ball. Baca made a huge impact on the offensive side of the ball, therefore he was offensive mvp. And although teams didn't have to scheme against him, if you payed close attention to defenses, every time edwards came out of the huddle, defenses made sure to point him out specifically, though he hardly ever got the ball. Now thats not necessarily scheming to stop him but that is definately saying something about him.

Hey either way, it's just a difference of opinion. I respect your opinion, and I understand where your coming from. I personally think you may be focusing a little to much on the offensive production and neglecting the other side of the game, defense. But hey its just my opinion that all. In any eventl, I agree with you, good luck to all the athletes.

Bill

I half-way agree with you if we are to understand and have evidence that all racist and/or hatred comments are just coming from young kids, but I think not. It's important that (we) as adults are made responsible when certain words are used to express our opinions. Often they create havoc based on pure intent.

Luckily we are months away from the next FTB season and hopefully some of these blogging operational issues will be addressed.

FYI: You offered sound advise.

PLAID LAD

Plad,
Everyone on this site needs to stop taking these comments so literally and take this site for what it's worth. People need to ignore the racist comments and just ignore the kids that come on here to start rumors. I like to have fun with a sarcastic sense of humor but so many people take my comments seriously some I am sure actually have developed a hatred for me. I could honestly care less. I am here for the news and the comments but my advise is simple. LIGHTEN UP SGV!!

Fredj

Your return mail has been anemic lately. I bet the Tribi has been keeping you busy as we all whined down the year. Anyway, I'm not seeking any special attention but I do have some questions and concerns that maybe you might respond too.

First and foremost, your recent and newly abridged version of the blogging restrictions have definitely made a difference. Hopefully these new restrictions will continue to entice those to blog-on with points and opinions of interest. Time will tell, but I'm confident you've made steps in the right direction.

Being aware of our responsibilities on this site is something that each of us should continue to monitor. Stating opinions and expressing our knowledge (or the lack of) regarding HS sports has been interesting to following.

What destroys that which we all seemingly enjoy are those individuals that use temper and anger to express their own defense of subject matter while they attack others personal character. From time to time, those that pound their keyboards on a regular basis on this site have been exposed to less then respectful rebuttals from fellow bloggers. I suppose this could be colored as par for the course for most blogging regulars. Unfortunately, we are not the only souls that happen to read what is written daily.

Which brings me to question a recent HS newspaper that articled an interview with you (Fredj) regarding the hostile existence of SGV fans/bloggers portrayed on your named website.

The HS staff writer stated, "Something good and clean has begun to turn ugly due to an immature few" says a lot about what others might think of our existence on this site. The staff writer also chronicled words that best describe hatred, racism, and prejudice, which I won't repeat.

In response to the aforementioned, the following opinion was printed, "Whether these people feel that their comments are justified doesn't hide the fact that they're completely unacceptable and no doubt hurt the reputation of those making the remarks as well as the blatant disrespect for these kids and schools themselves."

Not to blame you Fred, the staff writer also wrote, "Clearly, this isn't any fault of Robledo's, the question raised is what kind of influence these personal attacks have on the contingency of players in the valley. It is not fair for the young athletes to be getting dumped on by those hurtful adults whose immaturity continues to be on full display."

In defense and right to express each of our opinions on Fred's website the same staff writer went on to say, "Blogs are a medium for Internet diplomacy and discussion they're about making the news personal. It's a shame that disrespectful SGV fans have to ruin it for everyone else, taking something as innocent as sports discussion and changing it into something far less respectable and even damaging to the young athletes they make comments about."

Agree or disagree with this observation it still says volumes about what high school kids think about us.

What's your opinion, Fred?

PLAID LAD

Football Fan that's my point....coaches and defenses schemed to "stop" Baca and to "put" the ball in QB K's hands..that's a huge difference. Did teams have to scheme to STOP Edwards or to put the ball in HIS hands. Probably not.

But it's all good. Best of luck to everyone. See I can play nice :-)

Gentle Contraption,
I hear you and yes Baca was a very good ball player, as was Kluz... The only thing that I can possibly respond with is that Edwards did on both sides of the ball and special teams, where as the others were only on Offense. Hence, Baca getting Offensive MVP... Had it been Edwards getting MVP on O I would definately second guess it. However, for all around play, I have to give it to Edwards, everytime his team needed a big play, on either side of the ball, he stepped up to the ocasion. Not to mention special teams. Again I hear what you are saying, and all three are amazing athletes in my eyes, but all around... I put my money on Edwards. And, if you look at Edwards' avgs he didn't get many touches... I a kid makes that many big plays with so few touchs, I am amazed that the coaches didn't utilize him more. I wonder what his stats would have been had he gotten 20 to 30 touches a game like baca did, its possible we would be having a whole different conversation.

Football Fan. That was a great point. But by that same criteria doesn't Baca from Ayala deserve no less than Co-MVP considering they went 0-10 the year before?

Not trying to start an argument but really was any one player More Valuable to their team than Matt Baca was to Ayala and to the Sierra League?

I saw Glendora play 4 times and in every game I saw QB K came up biggest. That's a broken down opinion by a unbiased observer. Never meet either player but my vote is easily for QB K or QB Baca.

It was nice to see the SL MVP Honors go to a player who truly made a difference on the field, not just in the stat book. So many times you see MVP's with outlandish yards or some other stat... which don't get me wrong warrant honors. But MVP should be based on who made the largest impact on the league. Edwards did just that. Whether it was Throwing the TD pass that put the Tartans ahead of Ayala, Intercepting the potntial game winning pass against Chino Hills, rushing for a touchdown to go up on chino, Covering Baca late in the 2nd half and keeping him under control, rushing and receiving for big plays that set up for scores, and not to mention just playing solid on both sides of the ball. Those things are intangible to a successful team.

It's just nice to see that the whole picture can be seen. Congrats to all the SL Honorees... you all played great this year and it was a pleasure watching all of you.

And to everyone that is arguing about IE teams vs SGV teams vs OC teams... It's HS football, teams go up and down all the time... when I was in HS SGV teams dominated the Bishop Amats, Uplands, Temple City, South Pasadena... All these schools were dominate in years past... and IE teams weren't on the map nor were OC teams really. Now, the tide has changed... IE teams are hot and SGV teams are in a slump... No big deal... I'm sure it will change in the years to come... and of course you have your exceptions... I am just speaking in general... so talking about realigning and who can't hang with who is trivial... It all changes every couple of years... all you can do is sit back and enjoy... and SUPPORT the kids not make try to break them down...

That's what I do brother...ask the tough questions....DB and WC will be a war. Randy my man! Football is in the air and life is great!

hmmmm, good question about the lack of D1 opponents...DB lost by one damn point to LB Jordan (a sorry a$$ D1 team) this last year. These other guys would have to kick in about who their boys have squared of against, We played Temescal Cyn twice, Troy twice, a city playoff Locke team, and LBJ. We arent ducking out, even during this sh*t storm. Next year, we got WC and CHARTER OAK. BRING IT.....

I'm in on the All Star games, cant get enough...and tonight kicks off two weeks of bowl games.......just warms my heart...

Randy I was tired and it was late ...if they are wrong my bad...MaxPreps I believe. But probably I just copied it wrong.

Either way my point, however hijacked , still stands. The Sierra League is down or as some would like me to say...the IE is up! By the way what numbers jump out at you about the Sierra League over the past 5 years? Did any Sierra League teams play ANY Division I teams over that time ...not counting Bishop Amat? That's kind of odd considering how many Division 5/6 teams the Sierra League schedules. Hmmmmmmmmm...maybe I hit on something. CO, WC, LA, DR, RC and other play up but "our" league doesn't...wonder why?

Anyone?

Randy any interest in seeing the ALL AREA team or seeing the ALL STAR practice? That is when the pretenders get separated from the contenders. Last year was fun talking to Aram and hearing the skinny on SGV players and coaches.

Hmm looks like Goofy over at Walt Disney got ahold of a computer. Was the meeting at your house Goofy?

New York
I like that idea too, maybe a a league with Muir, Arcadia, Burroughs Burbank, Monrovia, & Temple City, and possibly a
fifth league that would have Amat, St. Francis,
Damien, & ST.Paul. although over time the Catholic league with the recruting ability might start to dominate the division, Amat & St Paul have slipped in recent years but they still seem to dominate the local powers when they play.
Pretty much an all SGV division except for the
freeway league schools.
Didn't Monrovia's lower levels do well this year?

Fred rumor has it that several SGV Hs head coaches and HS principals have jointly met for the purpose of forcing the tribune to shut down this sight. Is that true?

FC, where did you get those won-lost records? DB was actually 3-1-1 in preseason in '05, then the friggin' ship went down HARD, and we're like what 4-21 since oct '05....where'd you find those numbers?

Mean Machine,
A suggestion for you. When you get pissed off suck down a few cold ones before you type. It helps take the edge off!

Mean Machine

After reading your last response....here's a better tip then the one you left everyone with.....
"To avoid the friction, why don't you (MM) try to be more selective with the WORDS you use when attempting to make a point of interest."

FYI: Feliz Navidad

PLAID LAD

Diamond Bar
04: 0-5 League 4-6 Overall HC Cuccia
05: 0-5 League 3-6-1 Overall HC Cuccia
06: 1-4 League 2-8 Overall HC Cuccia
07: 0-5 League 2-8 Overall HC Martin
Totals 1-19 League 11-28 Overall

Ayala
04: 1-4 League 2-8 Overall HC Mount
05: 1-4 League 3-7 Overall HC Mount
06: 0-5 League 0-10 Overall HC Inglima
07: 4-1 League 6-5 Overall HC Inglima
Totals 6-14 League 11-30 Overall

Chino (Very interesting) Coaching matters!
04: 5-0 League 10-2 Overall HC Monger
05: 4-1 League 9-3 Overall HC Monger
06: 2-3 League 4-6 Overall HC Saiz
07: 1-4 League 6-5 Overall HC Saiz
Totals 12-8 League 29-16 Overall

Damien
04: 2-3 League 2-8 Overall HC Morrison
05: 2-3 League 6-5 Overall HC Morrison
06: 5-0 League 9-3 Overall HC Morrison
07: 3-2 League 5-5-1 Overall HC Morrison
Total 12-8 League 22-21-1 Overall

Glendora
04: 4-1 League 8-3 Overall HC Pasquerella
05: 3-2 League 7-4 Overall HC Pasquerella
06: 3-2 League 7-4 Overall HC Pasquerella
07: 5-0 League 9-3 Ovearll HC Pasquerella
Totals 15-5 League 31-14 Overall

Chino Hills
04: 3-2 League 9-3 Overall HC Roche
05: 5-0 League 11-1 Overall HC Roche
06: 4-1 League 8-3 Overall HC Roche
07: 2-3 League 5-4-1 Overall HC Roche
Totals 14-6 League 33-11-1 Overall

What does that say about the strenght of the SL?? I don't knwo I'll leave that for the smart guys to figure out. Have fun.

plaid lad...why?

I thought of some long winded , get pi$$ed rebuttal but then I picked up my son from USC and the world is as good as it gets for me and my family.

Besides Fred took down my first response...thanks Fred that was my legendary pi$$ed off side...I would have regretted those comments in the long run. You do a great job.

So Plaid Lad and any other bloggers that comes at me and don't have the decency to talk it out here's a tip. It's only sports.

Dan sure I'll go see WC practice. They reminded me, more than any SGV school I saw, what football is all about....kickin butt and taking names. NO wonder Coach Rollinson schedules you guys so early in the season. That's a compliment to West Covina and a commentary on everyone else in the SGV. Tough guys are in short supply.

Randy...name the place. It will be good to catch up with a devoted blogger and HS sports fan. Anyone else? It's only sports...it's suppose to chatter matter.

Dan,
Rather than going so far south, we could round out that Division with a modified Pacific League that includes Monrovia.

Interesting thread here fella's
How you doing Mean Machine haven't seen you since that all star game last summer, looking forward to another annalysis on West Co. next spring if you got the time.
New York I think that would be one heck of a division competition wise if you merge the top teams of the San Antonio & the Miramonte into a league, then add the Sierra & the Freeway [La Habras] leagues.
Round it out with the Century [Eldorado's league]
and either the Seaview [Trabuco Hill's league],
or if you want to keep things a little closer vicinity maybe the Suburban league[Mayfair,La Mirada]. Probably would never happen but its fun to think about.

Ok Plaiddy, I hear ya.......I can see Franks side too,....Frank and I met at our son's JV game in '06. He owes me a beer or two since FDNY nuked LAPD this past year. We'll post it when we pick a time and place to down them.....I'm sure we'll pack the place!

:)

Randy

I appreciate your comments and personal explanations on this matter. Unfortunately, my posted points are being missed and/or misunderstood.

No doubt I agree with you (Randy) regarding the giant talent pool that looms in the IE. I understand the evolution, which the SL is currently undergoing. I also understand the CIF Play-off picture as it is today and probably tomorrow. There is no confusion on my part and knowledge of the game. I suppose we could pound the keyboard back and forth all day long over percentages and averages etc..etc.

My point of argument has nothing to do with that which you posted.

Here's the rub....What Mr. Corona failed to admit and acknowledge was his ability to have recall on the WORDS he posted, which are not necessary nor warranted.

Quote: "The lower level coaches are awful. When I look at some of the God awful excuses for coaches at some schools I wonder....where is the sense of duty to the kids." ??????????

These are not your words Randy, nor are they mine. These are words that belong to someone that obviously has a certain and definite agenda. There have been times in the past when I agree with you and Corona, but this is not one of those times.

Corona finds no wrong in CHALLENGING the authority of coaches by making these type of statements. What he stated was wrong, no matter what anybody has to say in rebuttal. Now, if you want to QUESTION a coach's decisions....HAVE AT IT. That is what this dam blog was created for....I'm sure about now I'm preaching to the choir.

To top it all off, Corona thinks that by posting names of certain athletes and then claiming he has "Too much respect for them...to take this public??" flies in the face of his own statement. Hey, guess what? By naming or calling out any kids on this blog site you've made it public.

In conclusion, the "creme d la resistance" is Corona's masculine invitation for beer and pizza at the end of every one of his dribbling posts. The simple thought of that gave me heart-burn...No thanks I'll pass.

PLAID LAD

tommy boy...i aint buying that...nobody from SL was ranked in the top 5 all year in the Inland Division, I think GHS topped out around 7...but i think the seperation was crystal clear in mid nov......the SL teams havent advanced to the semi's since when?.........does DB ring a bell?? i'm not even sure of that myself....prove me wrong. I looked at this years final league standings, and maybe some thought should be given to moving the consistenly best of the I.E. into the Pac 5 division for playoffs, bringing together the biggest and the baddest to see who was the best in so cal..........maybe some thought should be given to taking the top 16 ranked teams in CIF Southern Section at the end of the year and letting them throw down....if they are truly the sh*t, they should have no problem settling it on the field in nov/dec. I thought I heard last year that in the CIF Northern Section you can choose to enter the "open" division for playoffs and figure it out on the field, where it should be, not at the hands of a fat cat in CIF.

You are correct about the bottom if the CBL and Baseline being pretty crappy....but the Corona/Temecula/Murrieta side of the Inland division continually makes mince meat out of the rest....and my take was that wouldnt it be nice to have the SGV locals all together in one shark tank of a bracket??? We all think we'd flush each other to the sea, it would be a helluva division....

Realistically speaking, SL will never win CIF, let alone a trip into the 3rd round while IE schools remain the power houses they are. Most of those schools can compete and win as D1 schools.

SL belongs with the likes of South Hills, LA, Charter Oak, Diamond Ranch and others of that ilk.

A school like Glendora probably would of made it into the finals if playing D6 along with the above schools. School population should be thrown out the door in todays world of back door recruitment.

The former D5 teams from the Corona area are dominating the Inland division. The IE has been down by IE standards, which is why they no longer compete against the OC Pac-5 teams. The Inland Division seems to be a combination of former "weaker" D1 and D2 teams combined with former powerful D5 teams. The D5 teams from the Corona area are having a good time. Interestingly, though, the Santa Clarita powerhouses are in some semblance of the former Division 4.

Should the CIF combine the tougher teams from the Miramonte and San Antonio leagues and put that hypothetical league in a division with the Sierra and Baseline leagues? Could get a fourth league in there, perhaps La Habra's league.

Randy...Mean Machine,

I've been laying low for a while as I didn't like some of the banter/name calling etc. going on here, but still keep tabs one in a while. This discussion is more interesting and worthy of comment. I agree that the Sierra may be in over it's head just a bit in the Inland, but it's not just us. The Baseline is right there with us for sure and most of the Citrus Belt is not very good (except the top couple of teams). The Baseline went 0-3 in the playoffs and had the doormat of the division in Claremont and I don't think they did much better. The Sierra was actually better than the Baseline this year so I don't agree with that talk of the Sierra being "down" over last year. Maybe over a few years ago, but just because Chino and DB have been down, GHS and Chino Hills have stepped up in their place. Damien has been consistantly decent-good and Ayala was up, then down, and now appears to be back up. BTW, Upland was a Co-champ, not a 3rd place team.

Are there any D1 teams in the I.E.? Why are the best teams playing D2? How is that fair to the Sierra and Baseline leagues? The I.E. is bigger than most states.

“Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in” Michael Corleone, Godfather part III

I was really hoping that the topic of calling out individuals by name would not rear its ugly head but this is not Fantasy Island so I guess I’m not at all to surprise.

Can someone tell me when it is ever appropriate for anyone to come on here and feel the necessity to use the “my mommy is prettier than your mommy” card?

I do have a question though for Mean Machine regarding his assessment of lower level coaching.

MM, is your opinion regarding lower level staffs solely directed towards the SL or lower level staffs in general?

Your reply gets mine……….

Plaid, I think he's right about the lower level coaching...In order to keep re-loading you have to have the people in place at the frosh/JV levels to prepare and keep the boys on track to play on friday nights. I'm not motherf*cking DB's staff or admin, believe me I am a loyal subject of the crown. But there is a HUGE drop off between the SL and the other leagues in the Inland division. I believe GHS got snubbed in the pairings because of it. Isn't that what Pasqy said in the Trib? You went undefeated in SL play, then had to go to OT against a 3rd place team to get through the first round?

Now, don't take this as an attack on GHS. I was on the thier sideline working the chain gang that last game against DB. Your kids acted classy,they were not the buncha punk a$$es I thought they were(like how maybe some GHS parents come across on this blog). They looked every bit as strong as they were advertised and I was pulling for them to do well in the post-season.

But you cant sit here and tell us that the Inland Division isn't pulling away from the SL. The numbers don't back you up. Your boys had a damn good season. They are our league champs. They represent well.

Now here's my take on ol' Mean Machine. The dude breaks it down---and he usually isn't that far off from dead on straight. Maybe he says things people don't wanna hear--maybe you and I say/do things people don't care for. But Mr. C. and I have had our talk. He's for real, he's good peeps. He couldn't be more correct when talking about the importance of proper coaching at the lower levels. Those years are crucial to the development and preparation for playing on Friday nights.

Now his comment about musical chairs hurt, i''ll admit that...I don't know whats going on behind the scenes at DHS. I do know that here in Brahmaland we are trying to right the ship and provide stability while climbing back up the ladder. We had Sainz, Cuccia, and now Martin at the helm since Roche left us for CHHS(note-he hasn't made the finals since he jammed, BUT THEN NO ONE HAS IN SL!). I think that when a PROVEN championship program gets derailed like DB did, it sends the admin scrambling and they make decisions sometimes in haste. I think eveyone on our side of the fence is happy with Martin, the O has completely turned around, that D needs shoring up though. I know for a fact that he's looking to make damn sure his lower classmen are on track to be ready when their time comes. He's addressing his needs now, while looking down the line too. Their aint gonna be no more musical chairs for us!

Mean Machine/Mr. C

Hit a nerve, didn't we? You can't expect to poke bee-hives and not get stung, now can you?

In your exchange of words you've become easy to read. The entire SGV all know too well what bites at the tail of Mean Machine...(For those that missed that test the answer is, "DHS Coaching").

So, when you started to point fingers at all coaches at the lower levels of "programs" (et al) it does get personal. The difference between you and I, is that from time to time, I have (and will continue) to QUESTION certain calls made by coaching. You on the other hand, CHALLENGE what a coach does (or not) to earn his pay-check. The fact of the matter is that, I believe that challenging that authority (which you continually attack) is FLAT-OUT-WRONG! Might I add, who challenges your authority while you earn the bacon for your family???? Do you get the message and definitions here? There is nothing wrong in "questioning" that authority and everything wrong in "challenging" it.

You sound like a family guy with parental strengths, unfortunately you also proved other personal traits that I QUESTION in your dribbling response.

In conclusion, Mr. Corona there is no athlete that earns the right to wear his school colors on the grid-iron...that finds solace in someone that CHALLENGES his beloved coach. As long as you CHALLENGE a coach there will always be guys like me to defend those which you attempt to destroy with words and/or sentences of innuendo.

Enough said!

FYI: Are you sure you don't drink?

PLAID LAD

You know Plaid Lad/Mr. Vega I'll enjoy the holidays and ignore your personal b.s. The next time I see you we'll talk like men and maybe come to an understanding. I'll look forward to meeting the great literary spinster. I have too much respect for your son Jake's courage and heart to take this public. I find it odd that you feel I have "distain for Morrison" or an agenda without one conversation with me other than the occassional PL barb.

Like I said before I don't think the lower level coaches in the league are very good. Maybe Randy from DB can agree or disagree. At least when we did meet we enjoyed the game and talked about our common interest --- our kids. Try that some time. Talk face to face with someone and then make your mind up. When I say I like a coach's style or a team's players at least I've seen them practice first hand. Have you? (You read my Spring Ball notes ..were ANY of them wrong? NO) Even wrote one about Glendora/Damien and BOTH were exactly on point.

As far as the SL...it's down. Deal with it. Just as silly as it was to think GHS would go undefeated I respected your point of view at the time and went to see for myself. QB K was your salvation.

Since Chino lost Monger. What's Chino's record since? When was the last time Chino was an EASY win before Monger left? DB has had a musical chair coaching staffs. Ayala was winless in league for how many years and unstable with coaching staffs as well. Maybe only beating DB or DB beating them for the past 3 years. Isn't that a weak league? Given their storied history? Baca was a difference maker and hopefully the new coach will be as well.

Glendora was always a 3rd place team in my experience at Damien (5 years) Prior to that GHS was a basketball school ONLY. Chino Hills was the big dog and Damien is recently no better than a .500 club for the past 5 years. Get that! 5 years, with that private school pull and talent. That's average at best isn't it? Yet they've been league Champs twice in 5 years and never made it past the second round...even with Ian Johnson. How is a .500 club League Champs 2xs in 5 years? Parity?

I thought more of you than to make the comments you've made towards me on a personal level. Unfortunately when you know it's me you find the need to come full steam. So let me know when you want to talk and like men you can tell me how the SL is better than average after the ass whuppings they've received in the playoffs for the past few years. The IE is on another level. Deal with it.

Better yet add Charter Oak., South Hills and Los Altos to the Sierra League and what happens? Rate the staffs. (Bogan/Gano/Farrar/Roche and then Pasquerella and then who? Better yet play Bishop Amat. I've seen BA destroy the SL without pity. Except Coach P's last year at Damien.

Well as usual I've lost my temper with yet another well wisher. At least I know your name Vega...it was easy...it said so on that beautiful Lettermen jacket you love to wear as you mug for the cameras with that stupid "Finish it!" sign. How many of those photographers pictures will make Glendora's yearbook. Do me a favor and sign one for me will you? Sign it pompous ass...xoxoxox

Too bad I gave you too much credit. Petrillo's sound good....I'll buy. I don't drink but I'll buy you all the beer you can drink. Burp! And then drive you home.

I coached a team in NJ who was in a 10 team league (so we played the same 9 games every year). However, there were at least three playoff divisions represented within our league: two different sizes of public school and one catholic school. One year our league produced two state champs. It was very weird. It reminded me of the way some leagues get split-up for playoffs during baseball season (or at least they used to).

It's not too complicated to understand some of Damien's concerns about jumping into a parochial school league with the like of the other schools previously mentioned.

The administration's reluctance is even highlighted more, these days, with the rising cost of fuel--it all about the travel and distances involved.

Additionally, there's more interest in the school if their scheduling and league focus is local.

randy,
If I remember, the suit was filed by a water polo dad (who I think was an attorney) based on the fact that it would hurt little Johnny's academics because he would have to spend aaalll that time on the bus going to a game soooo far away instead of at home studying (which I'm sure that they all do anyway!:?)

Now they can stay in their little local league and he can be home in time for piano lessons (not that there's anything wrong with that!)

New York

Explain the Play-off picture in the state of New York and New Jersey. Are the leagues/divisions separated or does the separation only occur during the Play-off's?

PLAID LAD

Joe Amat, I didn't know Damien had filed a suit. That is sooooo weak, but it figures......i thought i had read somewhere that if you had enough teams in one league, you got four automatic spots, thanks for confirming that.

Mean Machine, what gives?? Why wont Damien make the move? We're just talking football only here, not a move for all teams. If it can be done in baseball, why not the gridiron?

In New York and New Jersey, the private and public schools have separate playoff divisions. I'm on the fence about that approach, but it would allow the powerhouse parochial schools to be mini-JCs and not allow public schools to complain.

Prior to the most recent realignment, though, the Bay and Ocean leagues were in different CIF divisions. For the past 8 years Divisions 9 and10 seemed to be a dumping ground for upper divisions teams to gain confidence prior to moving up several spots.

Hey everyone, I just have to say what a great job all have done in expressing their views and opinions regarding this very touchy subject. This type of dialogue will surely keep me coming back to better educate myself about the HS football scene. This is how it is suppose to be clean and right to the point, keep up the great smack fellows!!!!!

Randy,
those leagues are great and actually a 7 team league that has all of the SFV schools that you mention would get FOUR spots and the 5 team league would still get three.
The fly in that ointment is Damien, who has already filed a suit vs CIF if they were to move into the Parochial Area when the re-leaguing was last addressed.

When looking at league play, the obvious a$$ kicking private schools should be grouped together for league play--Oaks Christian, St. Bonnys, Crespi, and Sherman Oaks ND could be easily be brought together for league play in fb, I think you'd have to throw in another team or two,...Loyola, Chaminade, Alemany could all be candidates for that group of death...that would rival the Trinity FOR SURE.....Amat, St Paul, SJB, Damien, St. Francis would make a mighty fine southeastern private school league too.......they are programs who just reload year after year. This is where the big dogs should be, instead dominating smaller local schools in weaker leagues. I hope that is considered when the next push comes around.....it aint crazy...I think 6 team leagues get 3 auto playoff spots, but i think a 4th place team with an overall winning record should make it too....if you grouped all the big dogs together you'd have to make sure there were "At large spots" available for those iffy 4th place teams.....i'd luv to be on that meeting.....just a maybe like a fly on the wall.....

But the Bay League and the Ocean League both compete for the Western Division Championship, so the shuffling really does nothing to the division. In other sports there are multiple league "associations" that are fluid and move top and bottom teams around. In sports other than football, amat is in the Camino Del Rey Association and shares teams between the Camino Real and the Del Rey leagues.

The point "enrollment is an irrelevant statistic" is as true everywhere as it is at private schools... different than in the '80s, as you say. Now that we have school choice that allows for ALL schools to "assemble a handful of D-1 recruits" and compete at higher levels than they used to. Los Altos, Charter Oak, South Hills, or even a Monrovia if they wanted to, have the same opportunity to get an incoming freshmen as an amat, St Paul or St Francis.

Back then that kid that was a great athlete at Monrovia had to go to a private school, stay at home, or lie. Now he can choose to go to Charter Oak, legally, and avoid the necessity of figuring out how to get over(or around) the tuition hurdle. For that reason, CIF will always be a little behind the curve in catching up with some teams rise and fall in success. The others, as was said, will just reload.

hsfotblfn

You just posted something that I've always believed in....and that is "the CIF is nothing more then a business"....and as a business, it function$ and exist$ around what revenue it pockets year in and year out. The CIF could care less what I (us) think....it's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

PLAID LAD

CIF can reshuffle some leagues once in a while. I think the Bay League and Ocean League interchange teams.

CIF will look at any needs for realignment in these next two years, things stay the way they are till 2010....thats they way I heard it from our AD....

The tough part about re-alignment is that leagues are put together with certain geography in mind (although private schools outside of Damien kind of get screwed in that department).

Then the schools enter the playoffs as a league, which means to move up St Bonaventure (9-1), you'd also have to move up Channel League members like Ventura (4-6), Dos Pueblos (5-5), Buena (4-6), and San Marcos (0-10).

hsfotblfn

Your points were well taken. I agree with most of what you posted. I just hate relying on the "What IF Theories." I've always felt it more important to devote attention to those facts which we are all dealt....instead of exploring that which we have no control over. I agree the CIF is not prefect nor are it's standards of pigeon-holing certain teams, but IF the choice was ours, I would embrace the solutions similar to what Florida, Texas, and Washington, as well as others have done to remedy the situation. Until that time, it will remain nothing more, then business as usual in the CIF.

PLAID LAD

fan,
I think we agree that CIF is clueless with football divisions. I meant that enrollment is an irrelevant statistic for success at Crespi (or any school that has recruits/transfers). It's not like pointing to the old FOHI of having 4000+ students within a football hungry demographic of the 1980s. If Crespi or Oaks or St. Bonny can assemble a handful of D-1 recruits then that would put them into a statistical category of a very large student body.

New York

I believe that Crespi’s enrollment is completely relevant seeing how many believe that CIF bases its Leagues alignment on enrollment and not school past success. It has always been my belief that CIF chooses who should be moved up or down giving that team the overall competitive edge, as in my example as well as yours Crespi of Encino. It all comes down to what CIF dummies up and hopes will come to fruition on their mock playoff draft board for the following season. Can I get a Cha Cing!!!!! Just one mans opinion……

Crespi was in division 10 prior to the most recent realignment, which happened prior to last season. They won back-to-back titles in D-10, which used to be a hybrid of the current Mid-Valley and Northwest with a sprinkle of the current Northern divisions. Crespi was part of the old Del Rey League in the 1990's (Amat, Loyola, Alemany, etc.)

Crespi is a private school that is known to recruit players. Crespi's enrollment is irrelevant. The school could be 60 boys, but if they are all tremendous football players then it would not really matter.

How absurd is it that St. Bonaventure was allowed to compete in the small division state bowl? They beat Hart the week before.

Plaid,

We all know that any type of realignment that CIF tries to make will not be the perfect solution but come on now it most certainly can be a whole lot better than what it is currently.

In my opinion, now this in only mine don’t get all Rambo on me remember this is America, freedom of speech etc, etc……CIF needs to take a very serious look at all the divisions over the past 5 yrs plus. Now I know that graduation plays a big role in year after year success but in quoting you and this is where you and I are on the same page when it comes to competing:
I think the real answer remains evident in establishing a well balanced program that teaches, motivates, and prides itself when competing....no matter who you're up against.
Great HS programs never rebuild, they simply re-load. Their ability to do so mainly stems from having a well-established lower level program aka a feeder. Freshmen, JV coaching staffs all on the same page running the Varsity program and yes all you JAA haters a working relationship with the local JAA organization in your area, where else would these future ballers come from? Outer Space?

But getting back to my point, there has to be a more conscious effort made by the governing bodies to have more parity top to bottom in all divisions. This obviously is not going to happen over night but it has start very soon. Now don’t even get me started about the demographics west of the 605. As an alumni of Mark Keppel HS, do you really want me to believe that with the current and past failed seasons of the Aztecs that football will be around that campus say in 10 yrs? Or for that matter does anyone even care? Keppel in my opinion is a perfect candidate for placement in the small school division aka Prep League.

CIF needs to adopt the division/playoff system similar to Texas, Florida, and Washington to name a few and give like I stated earlier all teams a realistic off-season feeling of confidence that through hard work effort desire and commitment their team has just as much right to believe that in the end there is the great possibility that they will be rewarded for a season full of sacrifices with the opportunity of reaching and playing for a CIF championship.

hsfotblfn

Do I understand that you are in favor of a "CIF Playoff" re-alignment? Or are you suggesting that each leveled "league" and/or "division" should be re-aligned to establish parity?

PLAID LAD

No one. SGV stinks!

Agree with Randy and hsfotblfn,

Who among us was going to beat Corona or any of the top 4 teams in the IE?

Thanks Randy.....The truth shall set you free!!!!!!

hsfotblfan.....damn you nailed that last piece....

Again I ask the question, how does Crespi compete with the likes of LB MD OL MV? Did they not come from Div 10 some 4 years ago after winning back-to-back CIF championships then if I'm not mistaken they won the Div III Championship before being moved into the Pac 5.

Come on now that’s what Varsity HS football is all about, winning a CIF Championship. If it weren’t then we would not have all the “crying” that goes on when the playoff parings are announced at the end of the season. Why do coaches squawk about where they were placed and whom they will be facing in the second round if they happen to get that far? Why, because they want to win a CIF Championship. What program in their right mind or coach for that matter tells his players in the off-season, "Oh well boys looks like we will be competing for last place again in our division, but hey let’s work hard” Every single HS team that dresses up football players should be given the same equal opportunity to compete for the ultimate prize every year!!!! Alignment is needed or other wise we will continue to watch the same big fish (because their programs do it right and everyone else does it wrong) swimming around in the pond swallowing up on all the little guys.

When it comes to realignment, football should not be consider with other sports like basketball, baseball or track. Football needs to be a sport that is looked at all by it’s self. It’s time for us to come out of the Stone Age and fix this situation. Heck it took CIF 79 yrs to bring back the state championship games I guess we can wait another 79 for realignment.

Hypothetical (same league situation)

Okay, so a certain team dominates at the top of their league and wins titles every year. On the opposite side of the scales you have a team that never wins (for what ever reason)and occupies the cellar.

To gain parity in the name of competition we want to now subtract from the top and the bottom of this imaginary league to establish a competitive equalibrium?????

I don't know guys, I think moving certain teams into different leagues for the sake of capturing a CIF title only creates another top and bottom program to dominate and dwell in the cellar, until someone else complains about parity (or the lack of).

I think the real answer remains evident in establishing a well balanced program that teaches, motivates, and prides itself when competing....no matter who you're up against.

PLAID LAD

WOW jbo, I surly hope that you do not have or are even allowed any type of interaction with HS student/athletes……ever heard of Hooked on phonics?

BIN REEDEN ABOUT GHS AND JAA, SEEMS LIKE TARTONS PLAYED LIKE JAA CO 13 GH 7 OUTCH !!!!!!!

I’m not sure if many on this blog watched this weekends State Championships pre game hour specials. A lot of what you are talking about was discussed and according to Eric S the true eyes and ears of HS football made mention that CIF was IN FACT considering realignment either by competitive groupings (getting rid of the enrollment standards for placing teams in divisions) to creating 5 new Division levels. If I’m not mistaken (someone please correct me if I’m wrong) there will be a new league in 08 called the Big 8.

The time has come for CIF to realign teams based on performance not student body. How is it that Crespi of Encino is allowed to play in the Pac 5 with a student body of 1500 (the toughest division in the country according to Maxprep) along with Long Beach Poly whose student body is over 4000!!! Plain and simply, because they can compete!!!!! But that does not seem to matter to many on here because according to most of you if your team did not make it to the dance or came away with a CIF championship then I guess they all have to be considered LOSERS. How sad……..Just remember fellows…….THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE!!!!!!!

Mean Machine,

Are you kidding me? Hit the weight room and conditioning like Glendora? Don't you mean supplement factory? Another clueless comment form a guy IN THE STANDS.

I dont really think they move DB out of the League....we still hold our own with ANY of the other sports teams...coming off a sweep of GHS basketball last year, and our baseball team can hold its own against any of the sierra league teams.....not to mention our tennis and badminton hard hitters....yeah...you get my point...

Our schools we be battling long after our kids are gone.....no doubt

Randy

I hear what your saying. I don't doubt that things would be different "IF" the CIF was to realign the SL or for that matter, the entire SGV programming and scheduling. Unfortunately, I don't see it happening real soon. So, what is left is the fact that the SL and other programs as well, are sacked with competing against leagues that are questionable from year to year. No sense in thinking that dashing the existence of certain newies (DR-CHHS- or the entire IE) would make a difference either. They are here to stay and to add that element of edge vs. competition. No matter what, I'll continue to remain loyal to the SL, as you will with your league of choice.

PLAID LAD

Randy ....Your comment MAKES SENSE . CIF SHOULD RE-ALLIGN the WHOLE SGV . I think the SGV would benefit EXTREMELY ! Can you imagine a playoff game putting the likes of let's say Glendora vs Bishop Amat or Charter Oak vs Damien . I LOVE that idea . Maybe in my lifetime ,but I DO NOT see it happening in the near future .

FIGHT ON

TM

Plaiddy......I've been watching Sierra League football for 30 years...and they have never been the weak sisters in thier respective division until now. From 1994 to 2001 the Sierra League had someone represent it in the Finals, (DB, AYALA, and CHINO).....since then?....not a whole lot....notice I didnt mention DAMIEN, or GLENDORA there, because they havent run the table since,...well...forever......and now as DHS/GHS begin to rise up over the depleted DB-CHINO area teams what do they have to show for it.....2nd round a$$ kickings,.....thats a simple fact....the I.E. has pulled away, let them move on...it would be awesome to have our kids slugging it out in the playoffs against our local perennial foes....

Since Chino Hills and DR opened up, the Sierra League in football has gone WAY DOWN....look it up, prove me wrong....has anyone since 2001 even made to the semis since then in DIV II/Inland Div play???

The whole league would have to move "down" in all sports for this to happen, someone (DB) may even get the boot outta the Sierra League when the releague/realign....its to bad that CIF doesnt give itself the leeway to move teams into proper playoff groupings...Oaks Christian for example...

When the Sierra League used to run the show, your team and those Spartans had no say in it, so dont feel so "bad" about moving down.....the opinion/suggestion that we move down is a not a crazy white flag waving notion.....change once in awhile is good....

Plaiddy......I've been watching Sierra League football for 30 years...and they have never been the weak sisters in thier respective division until now. From 1994 to 2001 the Sierra League had someone represent it in the Finals, (DB, AYALA, and CHINO).....since then?....not a whole lot....notice I didnt mention DAMIEN, or GLENDORA there, because they havent run the table since,...well...forever......and now as DHS/GHS begin to rise up over the depleted DB-CHINO area teams what do they have to show for it.....2nd round a$$ kickings,.....thats a simple fact....the I.E. has pulled away, let them move on...it would be awesome to have our kids slugging it out in the playoffs against our local perennial foes....

Since Chino Hills and DR opened up, the Sierra League in football has gone WAY DOWN....look it up, prove me wrong....has anyone since 2001 even made to the semis since then in DIV II/Inland Div play???

The whole league would have to move "down" in all sports for this to happen, someone (DB) may even get the boot outta the Sierra League when the releague/realign....its to bad that CIF doesnt give itself the leeway to move teams into proper playoff groupings...Oaks Christian for example...

When the Sierra League used to run the show, your team and those Spartans had no say in it, so dont feel so "bad" about moving down.....the opinion/suggestion that we move down is a not a crazy white flag waving notion.....change once in awhile is good....

Mean Machine

What you just posted resembles every HS program throughout the nation. Rebounding yearly is always a concern of every head coaches.

Your opinion of the SL might be agreed only by the infamous "Bitter BILL," but not by others that feel that the SL is still by far a competitive league. Losing athletes yearly is what happens, it's part of the process that no one can stop. Replacing talent is something that we can control and have, by readying ourselves for next year (2008).

To think that a team like Ayala and their loss of QB Baca or GHS's Might "D" now spells each as non-competitive is absolutely, ludicris. Ayala as well as Chino Hill, Chino, Damien, and even Diamond Bar, will bounce back (at certain levels) this next year with a different edge to their game. GHS will also be a strong component of that same mix.

To say the entire SL should be thrown under the bus, based on their "lack of experienced coaches at the lower levels" is another mis-statement by you and only displays your anger and continued rub with the Damien staff. MM....no disrespect here, we all have reasons, opinions, thoughts, concerns, and objections, as to each of the HS programs that we support (or not). Your distain has been obvious, so try not to paint the entire SL with the same brush. Keep it honest buddy, and try to stay away from "WET PAINT" signs.

PLAID LAD

What a joke

The Tartans top performers are the product of JAA. To say anything else would be lying.

This years JAA team won the SGV Championship. You don't think these players will have an impact on future GHS teams? Nico Barbone is also a product from the Glendora JAA program as well as other studs from Damien. Using your logic, the only good HS players would be those who have never picked up a football prior.

I guess little league baseball never helped HS, College or the Pros. Boy Scouts doesn't help build character and the Marines don't make men out of boys. Next you'll say there's no Santa Claus!

Stop already!!

Perhaps Coach Henry could add to this.

JAA is a joke! Over half of Glendora's team didn't play JAA just stop.

JAA is a joke! Over half of Glendora's team didn't play JAA just stop.

Randy my old friend. How did your boy do this season? Sorry missed the game. Football ain't fun in these parts. Too many sensitive types who never played and know ALOT OF FOOTBALL. DB seems to be on the rebound. Maybe soon I'll pay up on that pizza and beer bet from the LA Centurions game against NY.

Plaid Lad. The Sierra League is down. Without Chino and Chino Hills as dominant forces the SL is left to one good senior class Glendora(this year)/Damien (last year) or a great player like Baca (4-1 in league this year). That's a league that's on the way down. I'll say it again and maybe one day people will listen. The lower level coaches are aweful. When I look at some of the God aweful excuses for coaches at some schools I wonder....where is the sense of duty to the kids? Instead people reduce it to catty comments. Just look at the SL for next year. Does Chino Hills bounce back? Probably if Roche stays. Does Glendora have another set of D players like this year in the wings? Probably not. Does Damien have a team? Not from what I've seen. Does DB get it together? Maybe. Is Chino done? Absolutely. Is Ayala on the come? I thought they had one more year with Baca but then again...who's the next Baca?

bill you my friend are great
haha

FIGURES BILL YOU WOULD PULL THE BA CARD. ONLY SHOWS THAT WHAT YOU HAVE SAID ABOUT THE TARTANS IS BS. I HAVE BEEN WATCHING YOUR RANT WITH THE OTHERS AND ALL I CAN SAY IS WHAT EVERYONE ELSE HAS SAID. YOUR A LOSER! ANYONE CAN PLAY A TOUGH SCHEDULE AND HAVE A LOSING SEASON. PLAY A SCHEDULE LIKE GLENDORA AND HAVE A WINNING SEASON IS ANOTHER STORY. GIVE IT UP.

Bishop Amat had a tougher schedule than the Skirt Wearers. They were 3-7 but if Glendora played the teams they did the Tartans would have been 0-10. By the way why do the guys at your school wear Kilts? Doesn't seem very masculine to me! Ha Ha

Bill, Bill, Bill, I'm glad you use your real name and I use only a moniker. Afterall, idiot, there must be only one Bill in SGV! Well, I guess that means you are a better man than me.

I have already given up on you as you never answered the original question. So from this point on, I will just target you direct.

Considering the original post your responded to with your hate, was only a statement indicating the caliber of the 3 teams the Tartans lost to.

Then you post your childish remarks for all the blog to see.

I'll let you have the last remark on this because your posts are without any facts. Unless you tell me one team in the local area which played opponents with a better win-loss record than Glendora opponents, you will have no case.

Dealing with facts and numbers? You ignore the fact that I posted the overall records of the teams you beat all of which, with the exception of Upland were .500 teams. Enjoy the best season in 15 years. Next year its back to the bottom of the Sierra league for the Tartans.

In regards to comparing Glendora to other teams in this area who really cares if the Fartans had the toughest schedule in this area. No team won a title in this area and the closest was South Hills. If beating .500 teams is a good benchmark for you, then you need to raise your standards. And by the way, the selection of Corona for the state title was flawed. The team that deserved to be there was Birmingham. Congrats to Corona on being another IE team choking then it counts the most.

My creditability isn't tied to a donk like you because I don't find one other team that played the teams the Fartans did. When you decide to use your real name than I won't consider any of your dumb comments creditable. Until then go back to smoking weed!

Not a player bill, but what difference would it make? I am dealing with facts and numbers, not emotions like you. You hate Glendora fans and will not allow them to celebrate the best season in 15 years. Your freaking statement of 'When you win a Championship then start flapping your gums. Championship teams can talk crap. Teams that lose in the 2nd round need to keep quiet', is BS. Glendora lost in the 2nd round to no other then Corona Centennial. You know, the team who played for the Division 1 STATE CHAMPIONSHIP last night. Who did your team lose to in the playoffs?

You still refuse to answer the simple question posed to you earlier. I'm afraid you have lost all creditability on this blog and have demostrated that hatred is your only defense.

SL needs to go back to D6 and play the likes of CO, LA and SH. Then the SL will not only win championships, but will dominate.

Get a life!

Listen Bill,

SL is misaligned and should not be in the Inland Division. The teams you mention have got it easy competing in a very easy divison. Aside from El DO, no other team can come close to competeing in the Divison Glendora competes. LA, SH and CO would be dog food for Redlands, Corona, AB, Etc.....

To bill is a loser,
Are you a player on the team? Admit who you are instead of hiding behind all these dumbs names. The only thing I will admit about Glendora is that they had a good record vs .500 teams. You lost in the 2nd round. When you win a Championship then start flapping your gums. Championship teams can talk crap. Teams that lose in the 2nd round need to keep quiet.
To answer the question as to why Glendora hasn't won anything in 15 years it all gets down to coaching. You do need talent but Paul Lopez had no clue as a head coach which is why the program suffered till Pasqy came along. At least he has them competitive.