Baseball: Northview votes not to post stats

say what, lol, lol you "caint" Wow who's the ignorant one?

Dribbler we all know you caint say anything intelligent you're livin proof of that stupid a hole, better luck tomorrow when one more day of school might help out with your F average grades. Too bad, and hope you dont have any kids, your genes aren't worth passing on and if you have a kid already at 14, i feel bad for your kid.

Say what,

"yer" "an smart comment", " Fer sure u didn't go to Bishop." YUP, YUP and FER sure U didn't go to school at all.

No Dribble (nice name for you)yer a dork who can't make an smart comment like some of your friends. I read alot of your bulls#@t that shows your age about 14. Fer sure u didn't go to Bishop.

Say what,

whats wrong....cat got your tounge?

The number 2 pencil posts have got me hot and bothered. As far as your comments you idiots are really boring with the same old crap, nothing new please get creative. Pomona is number one, everyone else sucks.

I am so excited about playing at SD for these coaches it makes me want to drink.. LOL

Hey Say what, (aka)baseball insider. Sorry to out you dude, but I would know that drivel anywhere. Nice to see you're back on the boards. Long time no talk. I've been told that you are really an SD coach and the way you talk I'm beginning to believe it. Hey and I was just starting to like you. You can take the coach out of San Dimas but ya can't take the San Dimas out of the coach.

Hey Say what, (aka)baseball insider. Sorry to out you dude, but I would know that drivel anywhere. Nice to see you're back on the boards. Long time no talk. I've been told that you are really an SD coach and the way you talk I'm beginning to believe it. Hey and I was just starting to like you. You can take the coach out of San Dimas but ya can't take the San Dimas out of the coach.

Hey Say what, (aka)baseball insider. Sorry to out you dude, but I would know that drivel anywhere. Nice to see you're back on the boards. Long time no talk. I've been told that you are really an SD coach and the way you talk I'm beginning to believe it. Hey and I was just starting to like you. You can take the coach out of San Dimas but ya can't take the San Dimas out of the coach.

say what? say who? say when? Dude, what the heck r u talking about, you make about as much sense as the north end of a horse going south.

Wow, after reading the posts, I'm sooooo glad that our guys voted not to post our stats. It is true I had older son's in the program and pretty much all the schools are aware that some schools (hmm sd)pad their stats. I think by not posting them it will curtail all this insane name calling and nonesense on here and get back to talking baseball. Say what why don't you go back a few years, look at Max Preps, and if you have followed any of the SD players at all, you will see how off they are. Sorry, that's reality and it's not fair to those kids from other schools, or even their own, who work their tales off to compete only to have some coach pad a favorite player or two. Congrats NV for a wise decision.

Say what,

I'm pretty sure I've been around a lot longer in this valley then you. Still trying to figure out the "short" thing, but hey. I've coached for 19 years locally had two children go through the schools in the neighboring district and my niece and nephew went to San Dimas. All the coachs are aware of the kids you endorse and the shady things you have done. All that aside, just do the right thing we all want our players to have a good shot.

say what? If anyone knows what this guys is saying or who he is talking about please let me know.

Hey San Dimas Aints or Joke at SD: You sound like one in the same. I believe your name is now "Shorty" or "Stubby" based on the latest reports. Take your mis-information and paper stats and use it to bolster up your short stack. Report back later when you're a man, sorry, it doesn't sound possible.

Number crunchers give the scouts some credit. When and how and against who matters more then what you put down on paper.

Shaq had a high field goal percentage...higher than Tim Duncan in fact but who's a better shot maker? The guy who needs to dunk the ball to make it or the guy who can shot with either hand, from 3 ft or 15 and with his back to the basket as well as facing it?

Is baseball any different? I know in basketball it's not! Great shot can't dribble, great dribble no shot, great defense no offense...everything matters. I'm sure it does in baseball. Great stick no glove, great stick no speed, great speed no glove and on and on.

So maybe they pad their stats. Does that steal an honor from your kid. Reallly why is it always the last award winner...#9 of 10 that is always the kid that gets screwed...at least in the parents eyes.

Move on!

Hey San Dimas Aints or Joke at SD: You sound like one in the same. I believe your name is now "Shorty" or "Stubby" based on the latest reports. Take your mis-information and paper stats and use it to bolster up your short stack. Report back later when you're a man, sorry, it doesn't sound possible.

jordon nobody cares who checked out your manhood. (lol) to much information why not stick to baseball.

omg, pencil he's right you're not the sharpest pencil in the box. Why not use that pencil, go back to school and learn to SPELL, and put togehter a sentence that makes sense.

#2 pencil,

everyone should worry about them padding stats it effects all of our kids. If San Dimas is padding,then "real" stat leaders from other schools are being cheated. Those stats even affect CIF awards. Come on now it should matter to you too pencil, your obviously not the sharpest pencil in the box. But if you had a son playing, doing well hitting and some coach was padding other kids stats you would be the first to open your mouth. Get real.

The record is still playing and will continue for some time!

How about a drink coach?

Use the pencil to write a report..

Seems like you broke your "lead" No.2 pencil there buddy.

Give it a rest SD pads their stats...we get it. Now move on you sound like a broken record.

Besides what difference does it make other tahn for you to sit in the stands all pi$$ed off and the come in here and be redundant?

Ok everybody it's accepted SD pads stats...yawn!

NEWS FLASH FOR SD

THE ONLY DIRTY GUY PADDING STATS WOULD BE COACH CHIP AND COACH REGAN...

COACH CHIP IS FAR WORST THAN REGAN WHEN IT COME TO PADDING STATS.

ASK CHIP HOW YOU STRIKE OUT OR HIT INTO FIELDERS CHOICE AND MAX PREPS REPORTS "HIT" WHO UPDATES MAXPREPS??

ANSWER: COACH CHIP

WHOS STATS WERE PADDED FOR HIS LITTLE PET DJ LEONARD?

ANSWER: COACH CHIP

DIRTY, DIRTY, DIRTY....

GO BABY GO'S GIRLFRIEND HERE ...

YES I CHECKED SD AINTS "MANHOOD" AND ...HE'S THE ONE PADDING "HIS" STATS!

NOTHING THERE TO WRITE HOME ABOUT...CAN YOU SAY NO.2 PENCIL????

LOL

ANYONE SURPRISED?

OUCH!!!!

go baby...are you fricken kidding me? Your SD Aints are known for padding your stats - its the joke around the valley. hey, your girlfriend checked my manhood, we are all doing just fine. Thanks tough guy

Hey 'san dimas aints', sounds like you have some real manhood issues. Why are you so worried about the SD stats? Let the coaches and players worry about that. Sounds like you're the only one that has issues. Get a life and if you're so interested in stats - go buy a records book or something and amuse yourself.

stats - not correct - san diams, well NOW THAT IS A GIVEN !!!! You can count on it.

Pitching stats for San Dimas are obviously not corrrect. The only list 8 innings for Drossell and nothing for anyone else.

Stats are just one part of the process and if you think there not important, you just don't undersand the ENTIRE process.

Some of your 3 POY guys just didn't work in the classroom.. Wow, another part of the process..

As far As Pill, he's already signed because he does have grades, stats and potential.. Wow, another part of the process.

I don't think anyone believes stats tell the whole story, but are a important part of the process that gets the recruits interested.

Maybe things are different in baseball but in football the last 3 POY went no where with great stats. The ones with average stats are walkons at USC or working their way to Div 1 programs at JCs?

Same goes for many players. Stats only go so far. No one is signed based on stats alone. Scouts need to see the players, are usually contacted or networked by qualified and respected coaches and ALL are on the map.

The stats are just for show. Pill is the best prospect even if he goes 2-4 and 4.0 ERA for the season. The magic is in his arm, the fundamentals are there, the potential is there. The stats will mean nothing when it's all said and done. Because sometimes stats are system driven but the GUN/FILM don't lie. Glendora football proved that and that's the reason Amat players are picked over most schools. What were Amat's defensive stats and where is their DE going? Pac 10.

Do the stats make people feel good. Absolutely. Look at the last two Sierra League MVPs, both defensively and offensively. Where are they going to play?

Harper and McMahon didn't put up big numbers or get POY Awards but did it matter? As far as their walk on status both recieve full rides elsewhere but decided to play their way on to the team- still Pete Carroll doesn't let them on the field or talks to them in high school if they didn't belong.

Let's give the kids a break and stop banging on the stats. It's always been fool's gold in my mind. Look at Tiger Cortes , he said it best, "There's alot of 6-6 and 6-7 guys who can shot as well as I can." Didn't Glendora's RB make ALL AREA, All League and Maybe even All CIF with only 800 yards all season for a 12 game season? Stats don't always tell the whole story. Or so I'm told.

If you're playing to be a good team memeber, that's great...

If you're playing because you support and love your school that's great....

If you're playing to win league and a CIF ring that's great...

If you're playing to reach these goals and have many more team goals that's great...

But, one thing for sure, if you want to play at the next level, your numbers better be good.

Maxpreps and the SGV Tribune can help you reach your goals to the next level. Don't be fooled, the scouts and college recruits do read this info.

The process does start with stat readers, and schools back east don't send recruiters on joy rides.

I hit .614 - Part of what you say is true in that I have asked Northview to send me stats on a weekly or bi-weekly basis. I talked to their captain about this, and mentioned it to Murphy and they seemed to be okay with it, except I haven't received anything yet. I've agreed not to use them for publication unless I'm writing a story or feature in which referencing their stats are important. And let's be clear about another thing, this isn't JUST a Northview thing. Several teams still do not post or send in stats, so I give the Vikings credit for at least explaining why they choose not to. And about the invividual awards, the bottom line is that I do have to pick individual awards at the end of the year, the same way coaches vote on individual awards at the end of their season for league and CIF honors. My need for stats is to help make those decisions.

Good for you Northview! I think it's great they are going out there and playing the game and not worring about the stats. It make it FUN and not so much pressure, it also makes the team work together. kudos

im surprised fred is not biased towards west covina high school...
after all, edgewood combined with west covina to form the exisiting west coving high school ;)

The Northview players and Murphy don't owe us crap. It's their team, not ours. They give us enough on gameday. All I care about is that they bust their butts for us every week and enjoy themselves while they're doing it. It's their team and if they feel it's best for them, than respect it and accept it. I'm proud to be a Northview alum and current fan. Keep getting after it.

The Northview players and Murphy don't owe us crap. It's their team, not ours. They give us enough on gameday. All I care about is that they bust their butts for us every week and enjoy themselves while they're doing it. It's their team and if they feel it's best for them, than respect it and accept it. I'm proud to be a Northview alum and current fan. Keep getting after it.

The Northview players and Murphy don't owe us crap. It's their team, not ours. They give us enough on gameday. All I care about is that they bust their butts for us every week and enjoy themselves while they're doing it. It's their team and if they feel it's best for them, than respect it and accept it. I'm proud to be a Northview alum and current fan. Keep getting after it.

Fred,
Every example you give is individual. American Idol is about one person, olympic gymnast is about one person, an actor is an ACTOR, not actors...Those examples are people that chose to do an idividual sport or activity or occupation, so the differences in their lives is way different. This is a no brainer, kids come to coach and say no stats and we're about the team and coach is going to tell them they're wrong? What coach wouldn't want to hear that from his kids, besides, what's honest about publishing your stats if they're not correct which some coaches do.
This is important for you to write. Is it my understanding that Northview coaches have agreed to send you their stats every week for you to have for your knowledge and for postseason honors? That's what I am gathering from a player and that would be a big part for you to explain to everyone here.

With Northview being 9-1, I'm sure they have some pretty good #'s and when you're 9-1, it's hard to argue if the #'s are legit isn't it? Let's see here, they beat Diamond Ranch (1st place in the Miramonte, Bonita- Preseason top 6 team, Alta Loma, and God's team Bishop Amat who is in the National Classic. In league, they've beaten BP, SD, Covina, and Ganesha. That's a 4-0 record against top 10 teams isn't it? Those sound like some good statistics there don't they? Think about it people, the kids tell the coach we don't want to put the individual stats up, we're about the team goals and that's wins and losses. What coach would sit back and disagree with his kids after hearing that? I bet a whole lotta coaches would love to hear that from their kids. Vikings, I love it and I am proud that you are a TEAM!!!

Scooter McGAvin,

Get a life and check yourself into the REality Check store. You need it!

I TALKED TO ONE OF THE BOYS AND HE TOLD ME HE DOSENT CARE IF HE GETS ALL AREA HONORS ALL HE CARED ABOUT WAS THAT HIS TEAM WOULD WIN CIF ANYTHING THAT GETS IN THE WAY OF THAT IS UNNECESSARY. SELFLESSNESS LIKE THAT IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY STAT. THESE BOYS HAVE HEART AND I RESPECT THERE DECISION EVEN IF I DONT AGREE. BEFORE EVERYONE STARTS SAYING ALL THESE COACHES ARE STAT PADDING JUST REMEMBER THAT IN THE VVL EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THREE REALLY GREAT TEAMS AND A SOLID TEAM IN BP WE ALSO HAVE TWO JV TEAMS WE JUST BLEW ONE OF THEM OUT 16-0!

FJR,

You've been "outed" - Dang!

Guys, it's kind of like the newspapers that favor USC during football season, UCLA during basketball season, or the New York papers favoring the Yankees over the Mets.

There's a reason.

Way to go Northview you guys won again

Maybe it's my Catholic upbringing

Of course it is Edgewood which is a rock throw away from Bishop Amat the school you wanted to go to all along during your HS years. Come on Fred you know you are slightly biased towards Bishop Amat, there is no hiding it.

Last year, the players from Northview did not know their stats because Murph wouldn't tell them. Could he have persuaded the players to come to this conclusion this year?

Just an FYI on all of this. Don't get the wrong impression with me and Northview. We agree to disagree on the stats, but I have a lot of respect for Murphy and his players. I've probably talked to Murphy more than any other coach this season, and none of this will affect how much I cover the team or be an influence during all-area selections, which some have suggested. This isn't something I'm writing for the paper or a column, these are just my opinions for our blog regulars.

My favorite team is, and always will be Edgewood High School.

I happen to believe Fred is a Closet Amat Backer. He really lit up talking Amat basketball with McCarthy. When Fred Talks of Amat you can see he is biased towards them, even in his ranking of baseball and football he gives them lots of breaks.

FYI ...Northview is ranked #10 in the latest LA Times Edition .

Congrats

TM

FYI ...Northview is ranked #10 in the latest LA Times Edition .

Congrats

TM

FYI ...Northview is ranked #10 in the latest LA Times Edition .

Congrats

TM

I guess this rules out fantasy baseball in preps

I AGREE AND I THINK IF THE VIKINGS ARE CHOOSING TO STAY UNITED, CAN YOU FIND FAULT THERE??? ALSO, THE DISTRACTION COMES IF TWO OF NV'S PLAYERS ARE VYING FOR TOP HONORS (IN PRINT) IS IT CONDUSIVE FOR EITHER TO BE THINKING - OH COOL JIM WAS 0-3, AND I WAS 2-3, MAYBE NOW THE TRIBUNE WILL DO AN ARTICLE ON ME...CAUSE I MOVED UP THE LADDER. gET IT, THAT WOULD BE CALLED A DISTRACTION. IT REALLY IS PRETTY SIMPLE AND ALL YOU HATERS QUIT TRYING TO MAKE MORE OUT OF IT. VIKINGS - STAY STRONG, STAY UNITED

GO STATS - YOU MUST BE A SAN DIMAS GUY/COACH SINCE YOU ARE REFERRING TO "PADDING NUMBERS" TRUST ME - MY KID KNOWS THE LEAGUE LEADERS AND MOST OF THEIR NUMBERS, FUNNY THE SD GUY ALWAYS SEEM TO BE WAY HIGHER THAN WHAT ANYONE ELSE SUSPECTS. TALK ABOUT PADDING! WHAT A JOKE. SO KEEP THROWING OUT THE COMMENTS - WHERE IS YOUR INTEGRITY DURING THE SEASON, YOU THINK THESE KIDS DON'T KNOW WHICH STATS ARE TRUE AND WHICH ARE FULL OF CRAP. KEEP DREAMIN DUDE

RIGHT ON FRED...

POST THE STATS NV, AND QUIT HIDING BEHIND MURPHY..

JUST THINK, MURPHY WILL BE THE FIRST ONE CRYING IN THE YEAR END METTINGS TELLING US HOW GREAT THIS KID PITCHED OR THAT KID HIT. AND THEN WE HAVE TO BELEIVE HIS BS NUMBERS??

RIGHT.. WHAT A CROCK OF CRAP.

Does anyone really think a group of kids on a HS team doesn't know who their statistical leaders are, posted or not. These kids are playing day in and out with each other. They know who is hitting and who has the Rbi's as well as who has the innings on the mound. They don't need Maxpreps or the Trib to tell them who is leading their teams. Why should they care whether we know or not?

Anyone suggesting that any “all-everything” team is selected solely on the basis of individual stats needs to put the pipe down and type with both hands. Who here thinks 18 hits against the likes of the Loma Linda Academy, Aquinas, and Salesian is equivalent to 18 against the likes of Chatsworth, Charter Oak, and Glendora.

A team, and it's members, must first be judged on their overall body of work; after that you can look at individual contributors. The “all league” and “all division” and “all cif” teams are HEAVILY weighted in favor of those teams who moved through the regular season and were successful in the playoffs. More exposure, more success, and yes, more stats always bring more ATTENTION to players who play for winning teams.

Old fan the catcher didn't post his 4.3 GPA...Fred did. You know what an Ivy League school is? You're a joke. As usual.

VI-QUEENS,

Aint that the truth

My son said it best, "If they get involved they get slammed if the don't WANT to be involved they get slammed? THAT"S RETARDED!

Aram! stop depending on stats to do your job. Sorry Fred you're beginning to whine like that uneduated hack you replaced.

I did like the interviews though. Seeing your face light up as you asked the kids questions made me see how much you love high school sports. Rethink this. Every story has multiple angles. A better one would have been....

"NORTHVIEW PUTS "TEAM" FIRST"

Sometimes as the leader of the band the real choice is not always to entertain/instigate but to "move" your audience to a better place. Think Carlos Santana at his instrumental best..."Samba ParaTi" A place that makes other's better or leads you in that direction.

Tiger gets it...talking about his coach was like talking about his team...he rarely if ever mentioned himself.

Great job Murphy! Making boys into mean. I respect the team's decision without reservations.

You have to admire a group of teenage boys willing to put the overall interests of the the team over those of any single individual. It's almost like a ... team.

Scary.

If each team's Head Coach took the time to put the question the same way to all of the other teams in the area, (after first giving them the little talk about team goals over individual accomplishments), I suspect nine out of ten teams would vote the same way.

Personally, I'm really OK with this if it comes to these kids making a decision for the reason mentioned. And Murph was man enough to contact Fred and explain.

I've often thought the same thing about post-season individual awards. All year long coaches preach TEAM and then at the end name a "Most Valuable Player".

Kinda like the Patriots being announced before the Super Bowl as a team a few years back.

I remember an article by Ramirez about Amat's John Haywood when he won the basketball's CIF Player of the Year that said something about individual recognition coming with team success-not through stats.

I thought it was good then and it's good for NV now. Props to them.

Well with no stats from the Northview squad why should this blog post Northview Subjects. The tribune has been good in covering their games and players. What is their to hide, it is not a distraction. I think they head swelled with their winning and the Amat win. Move them down to punks they did not do Shi- last year and theuy will not do shi- this year. I do not see them playing for a championship this year. They just sunk their ship by acting like Punks, move them off the top 10. New name Vi-Queens

Wait until NV finds out the all-area team comes from the area statistical leaders!!!
Their catcher doesn't have a problem posting his 4.3 GPA stat. Maybe the captain should have a private talk and tell him to quit the team, he has become a distraction?

Wait until NV finds out the all-area team comes from the area statistical leaders!!!
Their catcher doesn't have a problem posting his 4.3 GPA stat. Maybe the captain should have a private talk and tell him to quit the team, he has become a distraction?

I guess the stats will be loaded by season end. LOL

What a JOKE.....

Agreed....

You don't get to pick and choose at the next level...

Just another excuse from the Murphy Camp

Agreed and the next level doesn't allow you to determine what is public or not.

Just another excuse out of the Murphy camp.