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agreed---as a NV alum and fan, I am proud of how strong baseball is in our area....always has been and always will be.

I agree, We have some teams having potentially great years ahead of them, let's embrace that the Valley is dominant once again with Northview leading the pack and Amat, Covina, and more having big years too. Lots of ball still left and good luck to the kids the rest of the way.

VP Wrestling...big deal. I thought we were talking baseball here...Let the facts speak...Hope this cr#p blog doesn't last for too much longer...Change the subject already...

Okay Joey...they asked for it...GIVE THEM THE LIST!

Seeing as this has broken down into two camps. I want to give Northview the exact same forum.

What Northview accomplishes in the shadows of better funded schools is remarkable. So for once I'd like to see a list that merits some reflection by every blogger who might not appreciate what NVl has accomplshed over the past few years.

Let's start with the wrestling team that strikes fear in everyone and work our way to the baseball program of today.

Northview the floor is yours.

Joe Amat,
25 draftees yes!!! Do you doubt that? Names can be provided for you. They have a sign with all the names on it. If you can't read, I'll help you with it. La Salle, St. Monica, Bishop Montgomery, St. Paul (see some of their losses) not one of those teams strikes fear at all. 3 games with Covina and 3 with San Dimas (both can beat all the teams in your league) is 6 games in league, not nonleague, that presents a challenge to any program in the area.
Let me say something from the rest of the valley if I may and I may upset a few, but the majority will agree. Bishop Amat has a wonderful tradition in athletics and is respected, but if you're not from Amat, you feel like the newspaper is your personal sponsor and for the most part, the hate or dislike towards you guys is that you don't think anyone else around here measures up or is worthy of Amat and it's been going on too many years and it's the opinion of too many people to think that's not a true opinion of the SGV.
Also, remember that you guys get to RECRUIT, don't tell me that's true nor is it an advantage. It's an advantage that I understand and would enjoy as a perk if I was in the Amat family, but denial on this nor acceptance that this makes a difference is ridiculous.

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The baseball moms have more cahones than all of you. that lady is saying it like it really is homies take a listen and hear the wisdom. You go girl

Posted by: Baseball Mom | March 28, 2008 12:26 PM

E v e r y o n e should M A N UP OR S H U T U P ! ! ! ! !
Bishop Amat, Northview, Charter Oak – all schools: Stop and look at what you are writing. Can you look in the mirror and be proud of yourselves? Most of you are insulting and ridiculing not just each other but teenagers as well. TEENAGERS. Every school is like a family. It should be treated as such – RESPECTFULLY. All of you know that your children read these blogs. Are you being examples of how they should act they are your age? NO. Maybe it is the teenagers themselves that are blogging. Is what they are saying to each other and about each other ok? NO. But they are TEENAGERS and they are acting their age. They have not experienced what time and maturity has supposedly taught us ADULTS. If I am lured back to this National Inquirer type of reading again do I expect to read a backlash to what I have written – of course. I only hope that it is from the TEENAGERS that read and write here. They have yet to learn better. Those of you who are ADULTS and writing these things, act as your titles suggest: adults, parents, fathers, mothers, grandparents, teachers, coaches and most importantly EXAMPLES TO OUR FUTURE GENERATION, TO OUR FUTURE LEADERS AND TO YOUR FAMILY. If everything we say and do is for our children, if everything we do is out of love and concern for our children and grandchildren, then why can’t we love and care for them enough to bite OUR tongues, keep OUR opinions to ourselves and stop dragging THEM through this crap that WE continue to write?

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Vincent, Nice !:?D
The LIST will only come out only when necessary....DON'T make me do it! 25 draftees?!?! Funny

AAW,
Where did anybody, "badmouth Northview" or say anything less than "NV took care of business when they met face to face".? So quite the contrary.

I gave credit to NV and Covina multiple times and referenced SCOREBOARD a few times. NV earned it. But NV fans can't have it both ways either. Not trying to recapture baseball past-the present is not so bad. CIF title a year ago and 3 this decade, with two National Championships. The year we got bumped from the Serra League (due to geography) We WON the '06 League Championship. Against Mater Dei, Servite, Santa Marg, etc. That's a pretty decent present.

If you really read, I'm going to bat for our opponents far more than ourselves. What division a school is in is really a function of some CIF decisions that in many cases are pretty arbitrary and based on geography, football, and enrollment FAR more than baseball performance.

I'm simply saying that some teams in D5 are pretty good (especially based on their performance against other valley teams that are deemed "worthy" because they have some higher number attached to their division. So we play the ones we need to because CIF says so, and then outside league *schedule the best teams possible*, I don't think anyone can compare to that schedule. And as far as leagues go, Northview has to play Covina and vice-versa. Tough matchups and taht was certainly proven by the first game. But really, after that, there isn't a difference this year between the VVL and the Del Rey. Seriously. Ganesha? Pomona? Even Baldwin Park who's 1-8? Please!

That's a league tough enough to bother putting down some other league for being D5? So as I said - stick to the scoreboard argument. That's one that no one can debate and one that NV earned.

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It never ceases to amaze ME how you Amat and Northview people can't just shut up with your comments about who is better. This blog isn't "all about you." Some of you posters are only showing how little class you have with your posts.

It never ceases to amaze me how much Amat is dying to recover their former reputation by badmouthing NV. The last time I checked, you should only talk crap, if you can back it up...according to the headlines, NV took care of business when they met face to face. It is apparent that Bishop Amat is a sad, sad, cheap imitation of it's former days. It becomes even more apparent every time some pathetic fan from amat, tries to justify their situation or compare them to what they use to be (insert Al Bundy here). You sound like the loser kids in high school who banged fat chicks merely because, "they put out." Remember, they were still fat chicks and you are still amat in 2008!!! They're synonymous.
Get over it!!!!!!!!!

Joe Northview,

Agreed. That's why I said, "and NV took care of the individual matchup at GHS and has individual "bragging rights" and to " stick to the head-to-head victory" Scoreboard. No anger nor bias to Amat opponents. I meant every word of giving NV props and commending Murphy/the players for their "stance on stats". You eared it and have been doing what needs to be done to come out on the good side of the scoreboard since.

But please, don't start with the "what ifs..." or "just as easily's..." because that opens up a whole big can of worms in many of Northviews games thus far. So let me help you... stick with Scoreboard - it serves you just fine.

And that team from Tennessee was 40-8, including a state record 9th Tennessee State Championship. and returned nearly everybody. The team from Oregon has an All American at SS. St Johns had 9 scholarship players this year. That's more on one team than in the whole SGV! THey play some baseball in Florida, yes? That Jupiter team was good and teh pitche Amat face is going to Vanderbilt. Yes that Vandy - the SEC Champions and frequent visitor to the College World Series. So yes, when they watch those guys in future College World Series/MLB games - I think they'll look back a little more fondly than some player from San Dimas, who might play at .... you fill in that blank!

And you're going to compare a few games against "San Dimas" and call them "wars"????

I'm pretty confident that at the end of 25-30 games the strengths of schedule won't be close, so you can stop trying to put down opponents because they are assigned some arbitrary division number (5). That number didn't seem to stop Temple City from shutting out South Hills for the second year in a row. I'd bet a paycheck that St Paul (who knocked off Westlake last week) would handle San Dimas pretty handily. They shut out Glendora last year. But it's a weak league?

And I'd be willing to take our last two team in league in a series against Ganesha and Pomona... and La Salle over Baldwin Park and their ONE win this season. So big ups to Northview and Pill is the real deal...but I'd lay off the "tough" VVL hype...it certainly isn't panning out like you thought. Add a single against Loyola and doubleheaders against Damien and St Francis and that makes Amats' schedule that much tougher.

As for other posters I'd love to see your list of "25 players who have been drafted" because I'm looking forward to matching you player for player... and then some. Any in the bigs now? We could name a few if you'd like -start with the All-Star game and work your way backwards.

Joe Amat,
Lately, you've been making some descent posts where you give credit to Northview and I've grown to think you might not be as bad as I once thought, but your post made earlier in regards to NV brought back memories of your past posts where there was so much bias and anger towards Amat opponents. For one, NV beat McKiernan in the bottom of the 7th last year, not some other guy you mentioned. He was hit well that day and I have the utmost respect for him. That was his first loss in two years, yes, against Northview. Also, great win for you guys over Chatsworth, but that wasn't the same Chatsworth we've seen in the past now was it...Still a good win, I'm observant and fair. As for those *4 opponents on your schedule vs. Northviews opponents and memories you said. I think 6 wars against Covina and San Dimas year after year is more fun than playing some team from Tennessee that makes 5 errors in a game. I'm going revisit the game one more time between our two schools. Honestly, Northview squandered more than a couple opportunities and really could've won that game 7 or 8-0. It was one game, but that's all we get this year and it had both teams aces on the hill. Can't really make any other excuses. Looks like we got you this year. Sorry bud.

If Amat went 2-2 in the supposed "National Classic", imagine what Northview could've done in the tournament. Northview pitching is much more dominant and deeper with 5-6 guys that can throw and that's what you need in a tournament. By the way, because it's called a "National" classic, doesn't mean it's automatically the best. As I mentioned earlier, playing So Cal teams all your life is much better for you than playing a team from Utah or Washington DC. As for memories, I'm sure Amat players will look back and feel "awesome" about their win over the team from Oregon and will get even more pumped about their league rival La Salle or better yet, the always tough Bishop Montgomery. Amat, congrats on going 2-2, you seem pleased with that, but knocking another program who beat you and have a pretty good track record for winning and producing players was not bright. As a lot of Amat fans say in the parking lot before games..."This Buds for You"

Joe Amat

Hate to burst your bubble, but the D5 division that Amat plays in doesn't come close to the VVL league.

Amat may play some strong teams in pre-season, but your league is really weak and the CIF groupings aren't much better.

fu amat well said lol

What's all this choker stuff and Northview. Who else besides Charter Oak has won multiple playoff games last few years? Um, still talking about Amat 5 years ago? Northview's history in the San Gabriel Valley is pretty secure. Did you know they have the most major leaguers in the San Gabriel Valley ever? Did you know they've had more than 25 players drafted to the pros? Yes, pull your head out your ass and know your history before you speak. Also, one more thing, Northview 4 Bishop Amat 1. As for memories, I know for a fact that a ton of former players come back during the fall and workout and work with the kids all the time. Do this for me...hit up a former Northview player and ask him about his experiences and compare that to what the players at Amat now think of the coach and program. If you can get a coherent answer from the tailgating beer guzzling crowd, they will tell you as well. Don't start some made up bs about the #1 team in the SGV.

What's all this choker stuff and Northview. Who else besides Charter Oak has won multiple playoff games last few years? Um, still talking about Amat 5 years ago? Northview's history in the San Gabriel Valley is pretty secure. Did you know they have the most major leaguers in the San Gabriel Valley ever? Did you know they've had more than 25 players drafted to the pros? Yes, pull your head out your ass and know your history before you speak. Also, one more thing, Northview 4 Bishop Amat 1. As for memories, I know for a fact that a ton of former players come back during the fall and workout and work with the kids all the time. Do this for me...hit up a former Northview player and ask him about his experiences and compare that to what the players at Amat now think of the coach and program. If you can get a coherent answer from the tailgating beer guzzling crowd, they will tell you as well. Don't start some made up bs about the #1 team in the SGV.

What's all this choker stuff and Northview. Who else besides Charter Oak has won multiple playoff games last few years? Um, still talking about Amat 5 years ago? Northview's history in the San Gabriel Valley is pretty secure. Did you know they have the most major leaguers in the San Gabriel Valley ever? Did you know they've had more than 25 players drafted to the pros? Yes, pull your head out your ass and know your history before you speak. Also, one more thing, Northview 4 Bishop Amat 1. As for memories, I know for a fact that a ton of former players come back during the fall and workout and work with the kids all the time. Do this for me...hit up a former Northview player and ask him about his experiences and compare that to what the players at Amat now think of the coach and program. If you can get a coherent answer from the tailgating beer guzzling crowd, they will tell you as well. Don't start some made up bs about the #1 team in the SGV.

great comeback. that was right up there with,

"I know you are but what am I?"

great comeback. that was right up there with,

"I know you are but what an I?"

let the record show reality czech suckssssssssss

and yet we find you posting on them again...and again...and again....on thread...after thread...after thread

let the record show no one cares about amat. amat suckssssssssssssss

Let the record show that I didn't bring up this topic... again!

About those "easy" playoff schools that Amat plays. Amat beat a team (Monrovia) in the finals that also played Northview tough. Their pitcher who Amat beat is in the Angels organization, and if I remember had to be removed in your game because he was out of innings and you won in the bottom of the 7th. In the semi-finals Amat beat a team (Temple City) that just shut out South Hills) Remember South Hills? They're the Covina school that was too good for the VVL so CIF moved them UP. You don't have to face them anymore.

So you're right, let's take care of now... and NV took care of the individual matchup at GHS and has individual "bragging rights". But tell me this. Who's going to look back on their experience with fonder memories, someone who plays
*insert ANY 4 schools on NV's schedule here*
or a team that goes 2 and 2 against the following four teams... after defeating national power Chatsworth

St. John's College Prep HS, Washington, DC
Heading the list in this year's field is CB's 2nd ranked Cadets. Led by 2007 AFLAC All-American pitcher Scott Silverstein (Virginia) and 2007 Rawlings All-American LJ Hoes (North Carolina), the Cadets return 6 starters and 6 pitchers in 2008, including 9 seniors who have signed scholarships to play college baseball. They finished 2007 with a record of 23-6 and will be making their second appearance in the National Classic. The Cadents were ranked by Rivals.com as the preseason No. 15.
Christian Brothers HS, Tennessee
The Purple Wave finished 2007 with a record of 40-8, including a state record 9th Tennessee State Championship. They started the 2008 season as the No. 26 team in the Rivals.com FAB 50 National Baseball Rankings. All position players except catcher return along with their top three pitchers. They will be led by pitcher Stephen Thompson (9-1) and outfielder Drew Martinez (.427, 28 RBI's and 33 SB's). Christian Brothers begins 2008 as CB's #20 ranked team and will be making their 4th trip to the National Classic.
West Linn HS, Oregon
Seven starters including three All-State players return from the 2007 Oregon State 6A semi-finalist that finished with a record of 20-9. Heading the returnees will be P/If Kyle Kraus, junior shortstop Ryan Barnes (pre-season All-American) and outfielder Justin Monahan. This will be the first trip to the National Classic for the Lions.
Jupiter HS, Florida
The Warriors return starters at every position including five returning pitchers off a team that finished 2007 with a record of 21-6. AFLAC All-American P/1B Jack Armstrong (Vanderbilt) and outfielder Tyler Thompson (Florida) lead a team favored to win their district and contend for a state title. This is Jupiters first trip to California and were ranked No. 44 in the Rivals.com preseason FAB 50 National Baseball Rankings.

It would serve you MUCH better to stick to the head-to-head victory and not try to compare divisions or schedules. It doesn't really help your argument nearly as much as you hope.

Nobody knows choking like Northview baseball does!!!! CHOKERS!!!!!!!!

Northview is a wrestling School. When was last time they have been in a CIF championship game? UHHHHHHHHHHHH CANT REMEMBER! Same School, different Team, same results, going nowhere.

well done northview we need all the representations from our valley , south hills will do well after all is said and done

Congrats Northview! What a great accomplishment being ranked 10th in the L.A. Times. You guys are doing great! And to all of you haters, I hope these are not adults writing these negative comments, if you are that's pretty pathetic!!!

fact-if we played the EASY teams you have played in play-offs our w-l record might be a little different. besides, we really cannot do anything about the nv teams in the past, can only contribute right now UNLIKE YOU PHONIES THAT RIDE ON AMAT'S PAST ALL THE TIME. Make your own mark and quit riding on someone else's victory. Loser

fact-if we played the EASY teams you have played in play-offs our w-l record might be a little different. besides, we really cannot do anything about the nv teams in the past, can only contribute right now UNLIKE YOU PHONIES THAT RIDE ON AMAT'S PAST ALL THE TIME. Make your own mark and quit riding on someone else's victory. Loser

Somehow, someway NV chokes in the playoffs..this year same Shi- different stink!

Fred - I'm with you on Patriot. They have the #1 Catching prospect in the country (Skipworth) along with one of the top Pitchers in Southern Calif (Lollis). They also have a ton of very quality support guy's around those 2. Most (if not all) of this team was Rubidoux's team last year so they don't get to carry any of that history with them. Anyway, I've seen many of the teams above them and they are better. Another missing team is Crespi who just beat #1 O LU.... although OLU beat themselves and probably takes crespi in a 3 game series anyway.

2out4 in the best tourney in the country is not bad. What tournament you guys play in. answer the question about when was the last time Northview did anything in CIF baseball without CHOKING!!!
GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

7 'i'll leave it at 7' wouldn't that be the case thus far with all the Top 10 teams? Take away 2 wins from any of them and it changes the whole dynamic. I mean do we "reconsider" all the wins if they were only by 1 run? Could of, should of, would of.....IF - the BIGGEST word in the English dictionary... tHERE ARE NO ** AFTER THE WIN-LOSS RECORDS.

NV is really good on records and such but take away those two wins they had against covina and SD and they wont be ranked in the top 25. dont get me wrong though, there a good team.

I'm a covina fan at heart but don't down talk northview.. They deserve that they get they've earned the right.. Untill sum1 beats them you can't talk

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jupiter fla 11 amat-4
get your facts straight!!!

Anybody know when Northview ever made it any where in CIF baseball that you could actually talk about?

Amat won. Get your facts straight!

time to take amat out of the top 25. they lost again. they suckkkkkkkkkkkk

ALMOST COUNTS - AND WHERE DO YOU PLAY?? AND HOW FAR DID YOU GET?? I HAVEN'T HEARD NV TALK ABOUT LAST YEAR AT ALL AND THE TRUTH IS, SO FAR, THEY ARE OFF TO GREAT START. THEY CAN'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THE PLAY-OFFS YET BUT THEY DO HAVE GOALS. AND YOU??? TO TRY GETTING THROUGH THE DAY WITHOUT SOME SORT OF HATE. NAH - IT FITS YOU BETTER. GREEN IS YOUR COLOR MAN.

NV is living on we "ALMOST" got there last year, we have a better team this year. Same results, they will lose in the playoffs and see no Championship game. No Stats are needed anyway, they are not going anywhere.

Northview still sucks. They are the hated ones. In the top 10? Not for long. Crash baby.

Northview still sucks. They are the hated ones.

I thought that was Manny Ramirez.

Hell I wore white cleats because my hero Joe Namath wore them too!

See Mr. Barkley...you are role models.

In that picture Kevin Jones is SAFE!
GO VIKINGS!!!