CIF-SS assocation rule eliminated
CIF-Southern Section PRESS RELEASE
For the first time in 32 years the CIF Southern Section will eliminate out-of-season restrictions on coaches working with their student-athletes.
In a 41-37 vote of the CIF Southern Section Council, Rule 313 of the CIF Southern Section Constitution and By-Laws (otherwise known as the “Bluebook”) will be eliminated from the by-laws beginning July 1, 2008.
Rule 313, otherwise referred to as the “Association Rule” read:
During the school year, prior to the established date for authorized before and after-school practice in a particular sport and following an individual’s or team’s last authorized competition, a student may receive athletic instruction in a CIF Southern Section approved sport only during one regularly scheduled physical education period in which the student is enrolled and earning credit for that particular sport. (Note: Before and after-school practice is authorized in all sports from May 12, 2008 until the close of school, maximum 15 days.)
The rule, in effect, eliminated any type of contact between an individual sports coach and a student-athlete in that sport during the school year and outside of the season of sport except for one hour. The responsibility will now rest with individual schools on how much contact a coach and student-athlete can have during the school year.

In other CIF-SS Council matters a proposal that would have separated public and private schools in championship playoffs in all sports was withdrawn by the league (Century) that had proposed it with the understanding that it could be presented as a first-read item again in October.

Comments
Fan,
There will be no sarcasm in these words so don't read it that way.
The attacks I refer to are about the school, I can handle the personal stuff if and when it happens. I guess I didn't make myself clear on that one, my mistake.
As I had said before, but this time I will ask nicely, go back along the subject line and see who started getting out of hand. This is your choice to do if you want, if not, well that's OK too. I will once again reiterate, it was NOT me.
Now do me another favor if you want. Go back to any thread and find where I have trashed any school for any reason. If you find it, please point it out to me. I definitley will go after the posters who once again go against the school. I know you've seen them especially the ones who start on the religious aspect of it, the church scandal and such, now talk about going off the subject line. How should I respond to that?
I know I'm a target, just like Amat73, Joe Amat, or any other supporter with an Amat reference in their name but I will tell you this on the up and up, unlike others who change their name with every post they make, I post under my name everytime and always will. Why? Because I or I should say WE have nothing to hide.
Now I know I don't have the most outstanding posts here but I also know I don't have the worst ones either as we've seen already.
So, that's pretty much about it. If you choose to respond, that's fine, if not, that's OK too.
Posted by: Bleeds Blue and Gold | May 7, 2008 1:53 PM
old farts? baaa haaa hilarious
Posted by: old amat farts | May 6, 2008 6:37 PM
Bleeds blue and gold.
These post have never been meant to be a personal attack against you. I dont care who you are or what you. I do think you should step back and stricktly be an observer on this blog. You seem to allow your panties to get in a bunch to often.
True I am not an Amat fan but I do believe in their program, its history and the positive changes they have made. I hope the Amat faithful will give this coach a better chance than they gave Verti. It takes a while to build a winning program. Coaches and athelets need to have time to gel. This new staff is deep in coaching talent and still they will face challenges.
Its nice to see people on here who support their programs with conviction. But you sir take it to another level. You openly berate and critisize people on this blog. I think you should be sensored, but then that would b e in violation of your 1st ammendment right. It seems even A_ _holes have a right to an opinion.
No back to what I said thank goodness 99% of the Amat faith are hardworking sessible folks who support their kids and coaches with class. The few of you old farts that are on this blog every day who blow smoke and follow the team setting in the cheap sets running your mouth about what you would do. No one cares. If you really Bleed blue and gold. Pick up a whistle and clip board and shut your mouth.
Have a great year Lancers
And for your info BB&G I'm a South Hills Fan.
And we do have a winning program
Posted by: A Fan | May 6, 2008 5:36 PM
Thanks King Midas,
You gave Fan the answer to the first question, now he'll have to figure out the second one on his own.
Now you answer this, WTH do we have to be jealous of? Perhaps you learned all about money but it looks like you need to take a reading comprehension course because you sure as hell don't get what we're writing about. Crying? About what? This was an interesting subject line until you started trashing the school, you are just like all the rest, once someone disagrees with you, it becomes personal. If that's the case, I can imagine what a lousy boss you must be and I feel sorry for anyone who works for you.
Now go back to your throne and crap out some more money, it seems to be the only thing you care about.
Posted by: Bleeds Blue and Gold | May 6, 2008 1:10 PM
You amat people are funny. When the stress of running my company gets to be too much i just log on this blog so I can laugh at the Amat fans. You people are funny. Jealousy is a bad thing. I crap more money in one month then I bet most of you make in one year. It's obvious most of you don't make much money because you sit on these blogs all day crying.
Reality Czech: I own the building and the offer to you stands as well. I also have a job cleaning toilets which I believe you are perfect fit.
Amat 73: You are living proof that a degree means nothing. As i said in an earlier post college teaches you nothing about money management. I took the time to learn about money and how to invest and how to manage it. The difference between you and I is that I don't worry about the education of people at a bank. I make sure that I know what I am doing and don't worry about other people. You might want to take a course in diplomacy instead of cutting people down like you usually do.
Afan: I agree with everything you said. It's too bad most of the people who post from Amat have little or no class. It's a good school overall but the comments from the people who went there seems to drag it down a lot. I sure hope most of the kids who read this blog don't take these Amat grads seriously.
Posted by: Tis good to be the king | May 5, 2008 3:18 PM
A Fan,
I may be a fool but you, my fearless leader, are a STUPID FOOL. When the rest of us fools gather together, YOU are the one we single out as stupid, so you are very special.
Where did I talk about MY education and MY money? EVER?
Let me clue your public school foolishness in. When you read these blogs, you start at the bottom and then work your way to the top. That way, you keep in step with the subject line, not the other way around.
That said, go back to the beginning and follow along. Maybe then you'll know what the hell you are talking about. Now after you are done, here is a quiz for you.
1 - Name the poster who brought up the subject of personal money in the first place.
Clue, it wasn't me.
2 - Name the poster who gives advice and doesn't follow it. Clue, it wasn't me.
After you answer those two correctly, you will win another bell for your hat then you can go entertain your king.
Posted by: Bleeds Blue and Gold | May 3, 2008 11:49 AM
Show me, you worked from being the lowly sweeper to being the President of your own sweeping company. Hey idiot come sweep this. Your right, you don't need an education or advance degree to sweep trash so keep counting your pennies.
BTW do you also clean carpets, mow lawns, recycle cans?
Posted by: Amat all the way baby | May 2, 2008 9:27 PM
Bleeds Blue and Gold
Thank goodness the other 99.9% of the people at Amat are hard working, God loving decent folks. Not some pompous, know it all, wind bag, like yourself! Who cares how intelligent you are or how much money you make. this blog is to talk about sports and support the kids no matter public or private school. You get on here and whine like a third grader that lost his/her lunch money. Nice to know you support your program. Why not do it with a little class. Someone once said "It is better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool. Than to open your mouth and prove it. Best of Luck to Amat and its new staff. from a public school dad.
Posted by: A Fan | May 2, 2008 7:57 PM
show me the money,
You better hope the people at that bank have some kind of education so they handle your money properly or do you do your banking with a bank that has a sign on the window, no education neccesary apply within.
Posted by: AMAT 73 | May 2, 2008 4:00 PM
Like I said drag you down and beat you with experience. See what I mean?
Posted by: Big Wow | April 30, 2008 11:02 PM
to the guy who thinks he's always right-
that very large warehouse you have for your business...you probably lease it from a college grad who OWNS the building!
Posted by: reality czech | April 30, 2008 2:51 PM
Always right (in his own mind),
Of course you are always right, so was Adolf Hitler, Osama bin Laden, and other lunatics of the modern era.
So you became sucsessful without getting a degree, well congratulations, you are a minority but what is the true percentage of people who can pull a stunt like that off? How many do YOU know? The odds improve if you have an education in case you haven't figured that one out.
So keep counting your money, you've earned it and have beaten the odds.
Posted by: Bleeds Blue and Gold | April 30, 2008 2:34 PM
Bleeds Brown and Yellow
It's pretty funny reading a raider t shirt reference coming from someone who went to amat considering that 90 percent of that area around the school is full of those type of people.
My education isn't the point but since you brought it up I will speak from experience. I did not go to college but run a very successful business. I learned early in life that a degree guarantees you nothing in life. Plenty of educated people out of work. Look at the recent talk of letting teachers go at Covina. All of those people have degree's and now have to worry about their jobs. I brought up the point about schooling because companies and government's lay people off all the time. Running my own company was the way to go. If you ever need a job there buddy I have an opening sweeping my large warehouse. I am sure your degree will come in handy in this position.
Amat 73
I never said it was a bad decision to get a degree. My point was that a degree doesn't always get you success. Another point was that owning your own company and writing your own ticket is the way to go. I was encouraging kids to learn about making money because it amazes me how many people with degree's have zero clue when it comes to money.
As far as the sports angle goes there are kids who play college and get hurt and who never make it. I would be willing to bet most of those kids were not bright enough to go college but were used by major colleges to continue to build winning programs and keep the coffers of money full. Most of these kids are minorities who the colleges recruit based on their atheltic skills. Colleges use players as much as the players use college to get the next level. How many kids would go right to the NBA without that dumb one year rule that was just instituded? It's all about the money.
Since you and Bleeds Brown and yellow are amat grads are happy with your degree and being a slave to someone else more power to ya. I do need to run. I need to go to the bank and count my money again!
You are right about the fact the world needs ditch diggers and warehouse people. I am more than happy to hire amat grads. The one problem with them, like this blog, is they whine too much
Posted by: man it's good to always be right | April 30, 2008 12:40 PM
show me the money,
So what should the kids who do not play sports do .Since you say Bleeds is bitter about falling back on his education and that getting an education is a big mistake . Just look for someone rich to teach them the right things to be a success. I would bet some of the athletes who had career ending injuries are damn glad they had an education to fall back on instead of the sad stories you hear of has been athletes trying to double up whatever money they have left on drug deals .
Posted by: AMAT 73 | April 30, 2008 12:16 PM
show me the money,
Since when is it so bad to have to fall back on an education to earn a living. You state it is a big mistake getting a so called education. Well my friend if it wasn't for people educating themselves to be teachers,coaches,administrators there would no schools for these athletes to go and get that exposure so they can make the millions you speak of. What does happen to that player who unfortunately gets that career ending injury and can't play sports anymore and with nothing to fall back on but a half ass education that you profess to be enough .But maybe you can justify it by saying the world needs dishwashers and ditch diggers too.
Posted by: AMAT 73 | April 30, 2008 9:56 AM
Wow,
I swore I would never respond to this idiot again but the temptation is too great, so here we go.
Show me,
You have finally proved yourself a worthless poster on this board. The ideas I were backing up were that of coach, more than likely here in the SGV who lives the experience every day but you simply chose to post YOUR trash because I am Amat.
Apparently YOUR education level shows every time you touch the keyboard. Since you have no education, your life only revolves around sports and the empty satisfaction it brings. So telling kids to forego an education for sports? Your father brought you up right since HE not I was the one knocking off those 40 ouncers watching Raider games every Sunday. I can just imagine the job you'll do on your kids if you ever reproduce and God help us if and when you do. I'll be able to spot them a mile away with their Raider shirts, shaved heads and tattoos.
So one question, since you have NO education, how rich are you?
Posted by: Bleeds Blue and Gold | April 30, 2008 9:35 AM
Mike runs a top notch program with the SGV Arsenal. Him and his staff do an excellent job. Mike can't promise his players a scholarship but he can guarantee them that they will be looked at by college coaches and professional scouts. Jim does a great job of staying on top of the players education. He makes sure they do the right thing in the classroom to be eligible to play in college. Many former players come back and coach the team during their off season. Here is a sample list of what former Arsenal players are doing now:
Danny Garcia-Florida Marlins organization
Eddie McKiernan- Angels organization
Christian Bergman-
UC Irvine
Victor Sanchez- San Diego
As many as 6 players may go in this years MLB draft. 2 definite 1st rounders in Gerritt Cole and Aaron Hicks.
Posted by: SGV All The Way | April 30, 2008 8:57 AM
wow sounds like you are experienced in dragging people down huh? you must be an amat grad
Posted by: wow is a donkey | April 29, 2008 11:53 PM
Your post proves one very important thing:
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Posted by: Wow!! | April 29, 2008 10:50 PM
Most of you people miss the point about sports. Sports is a tool for kids to get to the next level. Without sports kids would be into drugs and all kinds of other trouble. More power to the kids who use hs, college to make it to the pros and get wealthy. Bleeds brown and yellow sounds like a bitter old person who had to fall back on schooling.
A big mistake is placed on just getting a so called education. Some of the richest people in world are people without educations and with only a hs degree.
To all the kids who read this blog: The best skill you can learn is how to make money. College doesnt teach you how manage money or how to make a lot of money. A degree only shows you that you have the ability to do work required 4 years. I know many people with degrees who are in the poor house. Learn from the rich to make money and go out and enjoy life and for God sakes take most of these other people who comment on this blog with a grain of salt
Posted by: show me the money!! | April 29, 2008 9:04 PM
Mat Attack,
You, my friend, have hit the nail on the head. It seems nowadays that all parents are interested in are SPORTS, SPORTS, and more SPORTS. Education has taken a back seat in todays society. Is it any wonder that the U.S. overall is getting its butt kicked when compared to educaional values with the rest of the world?
What really makes me shake my head are these kids who receive athletic scholarships. They go to school for two, maybe three years and then declare themselves elibible for the pro draft. How many of these guys REALLY, I mean REALLY have a prolonged pro career? All it takes is one injury and WHAM, it's all out the window.In the meantime kids who study hard and get good grades have a hell of a time getiing into the school of their choice.
Society has now placed sports as their false god and we are just stsrting to pay the price. Just wait another 10-20 years and see what road we've travlled down, it won't look pretty.
Posted by: Bleeds Blue and Gold | April 29, 2008 11:00 AM
Dan
Good Points.
Keep in mind West Covina's Head Football Coach; Mike Maggiore played football, basketball and swam while in high school.
In other words "he gets it"...
For you "kids" thinking of quitting a sport(s) to concentrate on only one...
Think hard!
Use the example of Coach Maggiore.
He was a MUCH better as a Basketball Player and a Swimmer in High School... (when compared to FB)
Yet through hard work he ended up becoming an All-PAC 10 Defensive Lineman while at Oregon State.
Don't take my word... ask the Bogan brothers at South Hills... they coached him!!
Posted by: West Covina Fan | April 29, 2008 10:11 AM
Wake up...high school coaches (and I am one) have found ways to break the rules for years! If you think this rule is something new...think again! High School coaches for years have broken the no contact rules...forever...all parents think their children are going to be the next Tiger Woods, Lisa Fernandez, Kobe Bryant, etc. etc. etc. CIF is ruining the "Spirit of Sports". Coaches will now want to have the "full attention" of their athletes...don't play football...don't wrestle...don't play basketball...don't play baseball..and so on and so on...FULL ATTENTION...Parents/Guardians...take notes...if your son/daughter participates in a sport(s)where they "cut" be ready for a heartache! I can hear it now...like I have for so many years. Listen parents...high schools and coaches are NOT the arena's to train your sons/daughters for a possible shot at the "big times!" It's a place to get and education...can your son or daughter spell education? As a coach for over 15 years...I think that high schools should raise the "bars" for student athlete participation! 2.0 GPA..that's ridiculous!!! How about this...at least a 2.5 GPA the ENTIRE SCHOOL YEAR...NOT JUST ELIGIBLE DURING THE SPORT GRADING PERIOD! Most educators will tell you that a student doesn't have to do too much to get 2.0 GPA. If coaches can have contact...ALL YEAR...and they are practicing...well then...athletes should be required to maintain that 2.5 GPA...throughout the year...and summer school will not count to get you "eligible" for football season! Are you getting the picture here? CIF is going to take the least path of resistant..they have proven time after time that they do not wnat any "issues"...this new rule...does just that...Parents/Guardians...wake up...school is where your children get an education...as a coach...I insist upon it..it has been and will always be...any team I coach their number two priority...number one...family! My sons were a gifted athletes in three sports...college is where they "focused" on that one sport and that's the way it should be. The point I am trying to convey is simple. I have rarely ever seen an high school athlete who is destined for the "big times"...a Division 1 player here and there...I have seen a lot of athletes who will be lucky to attend a community college. I have seen athletes who are destined to be a members of one of our branches of the armed services..nothing wrong with that! Only a small number of student/athletes will earn athletic scholarships...your son's/daughter's high school educational experience is their "stepping stone" into the future...sports are but a "social" event for most...being able to "belong"...if you only knew how much a high school coach gets paid for a season...how much time they put in...how much money comnes out of their own pocket(s) sometimes...well let's just say...that if you broke the hours own for the pay...a coach 7-11. Parents/Guardians...honestly...look to the future...sports is NOT EVERYTHING...and should not "consume" your child...allow them to grow..make decisions on their own...I remember a "gifted" athlete at the high school where I coach was told by one of the coaches that he might put his "starting role" in jeopardy if he chose to participate in a "spring" sport...his comment...just try and keep me from being a starter next year! Never happened...All League, First Team in both sports...CIF...etc..went on to become a great college athlete...played three sports in high school. New Rule...lol!
Posted by: Mat Attack | April 29, 2008 6:25 AM
this seems like it will make the student-athlete have to pick a sport, which is good but then it is alos bad because most are multi-faceted and it will not allow them to showcase them all
it is good though because it will allow those who wish to concentrate on one sport to get all the attention he/she deserves
its a hit/miss both ways, but i speak from one who likes to play more than one sport, so yeah
just my two cents...
Posted by: THEHenry | April 29, 2008 12:55 AM
Well seeing as how in the summer they are preparing for football, which happens to be about 6 weeks away they should have the right to tell a kid not to go to a Pony league baseball game. The fact that you made that point actually proves your ignorance or baseball centered attitude. As for the comment about football being easy obviously spoken by someone who never played or played for a really bad program. Been around football at all three levels for the better part of 25 years. Never been associated with much standing around.
Now baseball practice - a lot of standing.
Posted by: Bad news for been there done that | April 28, 2008 10:44 PM
Be careful with SGVbaseball. They promise the world and dont deliever.
Non profit.. Yeah right!
Posted by: Watch out | April 28, 2008 10:00 PM
Sorry to say big Mike but you need to get a handle on your program.
Most of your coaches are little league dad's living thru their kids.
Most of them don't know crap about the game and some may have had a LITTLE success playing college ball.
Our family got ripped off last year playing over $600. for one little tournament.. Your guys talk a big game and promise the world and dont deliver squat..
I would never recommend your so called non profit group or any coach under your program. Hell, one of your teams have four daddys coaching the team who think they kbow whats going on! Little league all over again...
Posted by: RIP OFF | April 28, 2008 9:54 PM
Wow, I agree with you 100%.
It makes sense for football to be the focus during the summer since it is the next sport coming up. The West Co. coaches are always putting up with their football players missing summer passing league due to summer basketball or baseball or
even wrestling programs.
Been there done that, I think you got it backwards
the football programs seem to be the most tolerant when it comes to sharing their athletes with other sports.
Posted by: Dan | April 28, 2008 9:02 PM
Wow, I agree with you 100%.
It makes sense for football to be the focus during the summer since it is the next sport coming up. The West Co. coaches are always putting up with their football players missing summer passing league due to summer basketball or baseball or
even wrestling programs.
Been there done that, I think you got it backwards
the football programs seem to be the most tolerant when it comes to sharing their athletes with other sports.
Posted by: Dan | April 28, 2008 9:01 PM
This is for Wow...
As I have said before. This is based on personel experiences I have had to cope with dealing with Football coaches all around the SGV.. Some are good and some are not. How many schools have 0 or 7th period weight lifting in the off season. You dont think that affects other sports? Your kidding right? Or how many times have football players not played other sports due to football. I bet its a lot more then you think.
thanks
Posted by: Been there done that. | April 28, 2008 6:55 PM
*stiff. Meant to say stiff, not still. Sorry for the typo.
Posted by: Wow! | April 28, 2008 1:58 PM
Been there done that,
Your comment on football coaches being the worst is absolutely absurd!!!!! Football is the only major sport that does not have all of these off season programs where kids play games.
Basketball and baseball have these ridiculous fall and summer leagues where they expect ALL of their kids (including football players) to participate. I have never once seen or heard of a football coach ask a baseball or basketball practice to miss an in-season practice just to lift weights.
As far as passing league is concerned, it makes sense to focus on the next sport the kid will participate in which would be football.
I don't know how many times I've heard baseball coaches say, "don't play football, your shoulders will be hurt" and I don't know how many times basketball coaches have said "don't play football, it will make you still. These are both ridiculous arguments.
It would make sense for football to be focused on, but football coaches do not ask players not to participate in other sports nor do they have these ridiculous off-seasons where kids play games.
Football coaches do not ask this from their players even though IT IS THE MOST COMPLEX OUT OF ALL THE SPORTS!!!! In basketball, you're working with four other guys. Baseball is a bit more individualized. But in football, kids are having to work with 10 other players on the field.
All arguments aside, an athlete should be able to play as many sports as he pleases regardless of what his coach says!!!
Posted by: Wow! | April 28, 2008 1:52 PM
My son played for a Scout Team, so he never had the opportunity to play for SGV. My opinions are based on our sons' experiences and what we have seen and observed during our many years of being involved in baseball in the area. Why all of the hostility? I can only guess.
Posted by: covinabaseballfan | April 28, 2008 11:54 AM
Great post Mike!
Posted by: LOL | April 28, 2008 11:37 AM
TrueBaller/get your...
Sorry you got cut during the SGV Baseball tryouts.... Now we know why all the bitterness...
Everything you are stating couldn't be further from the truth!!
My son who's in his 3rd YEAR of COLLEGE Ball was given that exposure by his club team, NOT his HS Team...
Wanna guess who he played for???
You got it....
He along with about 5 others from that team had direct offers due to the hard work/dedication of the SGV Staff!!!
Keep up the great work, Mike and crew!!!
You know the saying... success breeds envy....
This is a classic example of it!!
Posted by: haha | April 28, 2008 11:10 AM
Get you facts straight, GREAT post. I rest my case.
Posted by: Trueballer | April 28, 2008 9:58 AM
Agreed! they ask the HIGH SCHOOL COACH! NOT, a travel team guy! If, there's been any missed practices, games, etc. due to injuries. On a travel team the players are going to miss ALOT of games. practices, etc. do to showcase's, high school commitments, ect.! Hey, covinabaseballfan If, you really think it takes a great coach to pull together a team of studs....You must be part of the coaching staff of SGV...Gee, who has the over inflated egos now?
Posted by: get your facts straight | April 28, 2008 9:50 AM
Big ups to sgvbaseball. Doing a great job with the program.
Do I need to remind anyone where he graduated from !:?)
Posted by: Joe Amat | April 28, 2008 8:58 AM
Interesting that you would choose those two questions, as those exact questions are on MLB Player Questionnaires. They want to know if you have ever been late to a practice or missed a game and, if so, what the reason was. You can take a group of talented players, but that doesn't make them a great team - a coach does that. I agree it is harder to do with the kids you get in public schools, but that does not diminish the fact that a good coach is needed to pull even great players together. Could be even more of a challenge when you have a bunch of kids and parents that may have inflated egos.
Posted by: covinabaseballfan | April 28, 2008 8:29 AM
Covina & SGV, The kids in the area did it for themselves! Mike, didn't do it for them! Their talnet did it!How easy is it to get 25 STUDS and coach them? Come on, high school you need to really coach! Mike, you have said, "If a scout talks to me about one of you I'm going to tell them if your late, or you don't show up to games!" Know your role! the kids are the talnet NOT you!
Posted by: Been there! | April 28, 2008 6:51 AM
I have a few comments on the rule changes for the upcoming seasons. I too have coached both Travel and High School Baseball at the highest level. There are pro's and con's to both sides. Being a High school coach your job as a player is too represent your school. Now as a travel ball player you are there representing your team sure, but you really are there for yourself! You are trying to get noticed and get looked at or drafted, if not then why are these kids playing on so many teams. Most schools in the SGV are the worst when it comes to getting there kids exposed or being leanant to multiple sports. Football coaches are the worst of the bunch hands down. I cant tell you how many times players have told me there "football" coach has basically said to them its either weights or you wont play, or Passing league comes first before anything. How many kids play Pony,Colt, or Travel Ball in the summer. Most of them do as the summer is made for baseball IMO.
Back to the main topic at hand. I have seen many travel ball coaches undermine the players High School coach right there from the bleachers, its very rude. The main sport that will suffer is High School Baseball as that is not a revenue producing sport. ITs too bad as these football coach's have to much control over kids year round as it is.
And to the poster who posted "it takes a real man to practice for football or something like that" Have you been to Football practices, 75% of the time you are just sitting there doing nothing while 11 guys get to practice and the other 30-40 just sit there and do nothing but clap.
thanks
Posted by: Been there done that. | April 28, 2008 12:35 AM
I don't think sgvbaseball has anything to worry about. His program has always been and will continue to be top-notch. He knows baseball and has done a lot for kids in the area. Travel ball will continue, and scouts/recruiters do definitely look at players in his program and other travel ball teams. There are very few coaches who do what he does out of his love for baseball. Personally, I don't see much change happening with this rule, as the really dedicated HS coaches pretty much had their teams practicing all year anyway!
Posted by: covinabaseballfan | April 27, 2008 11:11 PM
I do not worry about things not under my control. Colleges still come out to see players at high school just not to often due to the compressed college schedule. They will also come see travel games as they get to see more talent at once. It just how it works.
I am not sure what you are talking about my pocketbook. We are a non paid staff. All of our coaches volunteer their time. We make zero income off our which program which not many can say. We are one of the least expensive anywhere. I am not sure where you are coming from but we don't make any money.
Don't understand the hostility as I just made a simple post.
Posted by: sgvbaseball.com | April 27, 2008 5:57 PM
The real victims of this rule are going ot be the "secondary" sports such as track, soccer, swimming, volleyball, etc. What you're going to see is the coaches of the "primary" sports (football, baseball, basketball, softball) require their athletes to practice year round.
All those football players who run track in the spring...not any more. Those softball players who play volleyball in the fall...see ya. That baseball player who plays soccer in the winter...aint gonna happen now.
This is sad, this rule is going to force so many kids to pick one sport and commit to it as a freshman. I'm afraid of what will happen.
Even the coach who supports multi-sport athletes will be pressured to hold year-round practice in order to keep up with other teams in their league. If Charter Oak, Wilson, DRanch and Bonita are all having year-round softball practice, do you really think Gano is going to have any different policy here at LA?
This is just more evidence that CIF has it's head up it's ass.
Posted by: LA Conq | April 27, 2008 2:09 PM
SGVbaseball...Say, bye bye to your program! The change will be....The scouts will come out and see the top players play with their high school team. The scouts will talk to their high school coachs! EVERYONE, knows the scouts want to talk to high school coachs NOT a travel ball guy. This is a win, win! Except for you!High School ball comes first! This is going to hit your pocket book huh Mike? way to go C.I.F.!
Posted by: Trueballer | April 27, 2008 1:26 PM
I am looking for area softball coaches who want to set up scrimmages this summer and fall. Nothing too serious, just a chance to get together in a game like situation and evaluate players. Contact me at South Hills at 626-974-6259 or email me at sfisch@cvusd.k12.ca.us
Posted by: Scott Fisch | April 27, 2008 11:17 AM
Time will see how this plays out. I can see the positve of how HS coaches can help players throughout the year. There are some coaches will take advantage of the time to help their players. It will allow player to work on their game after school with the HS coaches and improve their game.
The other side will be will the a HS coach run his own travel program and tell players either you play with us or your don't play HS baseball. They can charge whatever fees they want since it not a HS team. Some coaches are rather strict right now not allowing them to play outside of the school or just making it tough. We've had some HS coaches tell players to miss some of the bigger events to play in a HS fall or summer league game. A player has a chance to play in front of 25-30 colleges or play in a HS fall league where they face JV pitching. They will have more control over the players. I think a balance would be beneficial to everyone.
Being a high school coach in the past and now running a travel program I can see how this rule can be a positive and negative. It will just depend on the how each coach will use this rule.
Posted by: sgvbaseball.com | April 27, 2008 10:43 AM
My experience covering the area over the years is that there are a few coahes who require their kids to make a commitment to one sport, and the rule change will allow them to exercise that control even more. But most of the coaches in the various sports work with each other for the good of the kids and the programs as a whole.
Posted by: steve ramirez | April 27, 2008 10:20 AM
My son plays 3 sports. If the coaches don't like it to bad. He starts in all 3 sports.
Posted by: CJ Morris | April 26, 2008 11:37 PM
The real problem here is now you will have renegade coaches who will be using school facility and setting up club teams and charging players and pocketing the money. They will be bringing in Elementry and Jr.high kids and anyone they can get that will pay to join their program and have an advantage over all club programs that service the same area. This is going to be a big mess if they just let it go with out regulations. The schools will have to start charging the coaches for field time out of season or the club coaches will call foul and someone will end up in court because of unfair business practices.
Posted by: The Man | April 26, 2008 9:44 PM
that was 5'10 not 5-10
Posted by: bad news | April 26, 2008 6:49 PM
This is bad news for football. Now all of the out of control basketball and baseball coaches (most of them are the most selfish coaches at the school) will be practicing during spring football and really try to lure the players away. Ican just see it now. We have practice from 2-5 so if you want to play basketball you are going to have to be there. I guarantee this will be the outcome.
Let's face it baseball and basketball are more fun to practice ( it takes a special type of MAN to play football) now all the 5-10 stars will devote all of their time to basketball and be pumping gas after high school.
Posted by: Bad news | April 26, 2008 6:47 PM
GOOD, HOPEFULLY SOME OF THESE LAZY COACHES( I.E. SUMMIT BOYS BASKETBALL COACH) WILL GET OFF THEIR BUTTS AND DEVELOP PLAYERS AND STOP MAKING EXCUSES TO NOT PRACTICE. OR THEY SHOULD JUST RESIGN.
Posted by: LO | April 26, 2008 4:31 PM
That's good to know. So now the schools that have been practicing all year anyway will be doing it legally!
Posted by: AboutTime | April 26, 2008 1:54 PM