Northview or Bishop Amat?

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I am so glad I went to the game between La Puente and Bishop Amat yesterday. It was a great game and the Lp pitcher was as good as the Amat one but you always spin in such a way that everyone expects. Who would know that the game was decided on errors? Some pompous ass said on the way out "Are you surprised?" "Yes I said that team is better than they played and should have won", the ass laughed and I thought wow nothing has changed. The recruiting schools always get all the press when the coaches from the schools in the area that don't recruit work hard and instill pride and accomplishment in the players that don't pay a fortune to get in the news. When my son went to Amat (yea you heard it right)they played the schools that they could never match up to now, Servite, Mater Dei and so on. Most people do not know the bs that goes on from coaches trying to have their school dropped to divisions lower to be winners. I know the requirements but I also know how things work. I'm sure these are a great bunch of kids but the powers that be have forgotten how to respect them on any other level but to win and also that its not where you grow up it's how you grow up. I am sorry for that.

fyi - pardon my ignorance, but if that theory is all in truth, how does Amat play in a higher footbal division than baseball? I mean is it ALWAYS guaranteed that more kids will play football? it makes no sense to me.

fyi - pardon my ignorance, but if that theory is all in truth, how does Amat play in a higher footbal division than baseball? I mean is it ALWAYS guaranteed that more kids will play football? it makes no sense to me.

Playoff Divisions in baseball are determined by school enrollment size, not ability or record of past success.

Ok Amat guys....let's take yourselves out of the picture because clearly you cannot see this logically...AND LET'S TRY NOT TO BE HOSTILE OR INSULTING... Let's say a DIV I team wins a CIF CHAMPIONSHIP, do you not think THEY have the right to say that they played tougher teams than the DIV IV did????? NOT saying the DIV IV champ is not worthy of their rings BUT that Div I team does get to say THEY played tougher teams..YOU DO GET THAT RIGHT???? dO NOT PUT aMAT INTO THE LOOP AT ALL....Put any school of your choice from a DIV I school, then pick any team from a Div III school even -- on common sense alone -- WHO played tougher teams????? END OF CONVERSATION and do not come and lay down all the stats from Amat's schedule - be fair and take them out of the loop completely. NOW, again, the DIV III team can be proud of their championship, but do not tell me playing in a lower league plays no factor in the W-L outcome.....

Ok Amat guys....let's take yourselves out of the picture because clearly you cannot see this logically...AND LET'S TRY NOT TO BE HOSTILE OR INSULTING... Let's say a DIV I team wins a CIF CHAMPIONSHIP, do you not think THEY have the right to say that they played tougher teams than the DIV IV did????? NOT saying the DIV IV champ is not worthy of their rings BUT that Div I team does get to say THEY played tougher teams..YOU DO GET THAT RIGHT???? dO NOT PUT aMAT INTO THE LOOP AT ALL....Put any school of your choice from a DIV I school, then pick any team from a Div III school even -- on common sense alone -- WHO played tougher teams????? END OF CONVERSATION and do not come and lay down all the stats from Amat's schedule - be fair and take them out of the loop completely. NOW, again, the DIV III team can be proud of their championship, but do not tell me playing in a lower league plays no factor in the W-L outcome.....

huh,duh,
I doubt you have even been near a championship in your life. How can you put down any team in a lower division saying their championship is meaningless. Do you think a D-3 team would say that about the ring Northview would get if they win CIF just because they are 1 division lower. In essence the same goes on down the line or does it just pertain to D-5 because we are AMAT.

huh? You are the king of irony, Have YOU or CAN YOU ring anything new to the table??? Your material is old and your bragging rights have long expired. You know your DIV 5 ring is like a good cubic zirconia - it looks nice BUT WE ALL KNOW, it's cheap and means little when all is said and done. I doubt your job or hours support your computer habits - going to bed SO ANGRY after a rant cannot be good for the heart. Lose the anger - remember you are a winner..A DIVISION V winner, but Dr. Phil still sees you as a winner. Hug A pillow now.

South Hills parent - I was advised not to say anything as it would be like shooting myself in the foot. However, all reports are public knowledge, the information is out there and available to you. You would be doing what is best for your child by looking into all of that anyways.

Well both teams are good.

Northview Beat Amat early on. Both programs have great coaches who recruit very well.

Murphy is the best recruiter in the SGV. He passes previous champ, ALL SOUTH HILLS COACHES. Congrats champ!

Prayer boys are the worst, Who cares what time I post? I could work the night shift, I could work swing shift, I could...you get the picture. Simplistic moron was putting it nicely, I thought? Maybe people like you prefer to read the snide comments of someone trying to sound tough by referring to his genitalia (thats private parts to you) but others do not. The main point is he/she, like yourself, HATES A WINNER! And tailgate references are old, passe and quite frankly moronic! There's that word again. Talk about living in the past. Get some new, up to date insults about the AMAT FAMILY or just leave it alone. You probably wouldn't take a Div V Championship ring either, HUH?

to the substitute teacher at south hills h.s.
Please give us some specifics about the problems at South Hills H.S. Poor academics?, no discipline?, drugs?, etc. Maybe as a parent i need to take a closer look at the "insides" of the school before i send my kids there.

I have to agree, the minute I saw this thread launch, I knew it would only bring out the ugliness or at least way too much of the ugliness. The truth is Northview is very proud of their team winning the Glendora tournament, not so much because it was against Amat, but because it is a well respected tourney. However, it has come and gone, and very few are still riding on that ONE WIN, trust me NV has accomplished far more since that ONE WIN and their priorities are where they should be, they clinched a league title friday so I would think their mind set is to prepare for play-offs. Now, you haters can jump on and say whatever you want, and we certainly hope it's more than ONE AND DONE, but play-offs are tough for most teams and with there being only ONE WINNER, far more teams lose along the way. So to the ignorant, A CIF TITLE IS TOUGH FOR ALL TEAMS... AND go ahead with your grand predictions, it is so stupid, yes STUPID to make such predictions... And i agree with Amat73, any team would and should be happy with a CIF championship ring. We have friends on the Charter Oak team so they are a nice piece of bling. BUT you do not see all the Charter Oak kids on here bragging about all that -- my advice NO need to tell everyone how good you are, NO need to give 5 million stats that really NO ONE cares about (except Joe) try being HUMBLE and have INTEGRITY... Really the comments about the field are totally uncalled for as I know for a fact, NV has one of the nicest kept fields around (barring the water disaster) and Coach Murphy takes a lot of pride as do his kids. I do not like hearing about the barrio either, even though that is their school and it's part of LaPuente's community, it's ugly to have the kids read that about their school. Mr. Robledo, I get it's part of the job, but can't we STOP FUELING THE FIRE. Is this all about a build-up to next year's game in the Glendora tournament??? Really???

Again Thanks Fred, this thread of Amat and Northview you seem to be getting allot of milage out of. See how it transpired to NUTS,BARRIO,CRACKER JACKS INSULTS. You knew the hate would spill over between the two sides.. could'nt you leave well enuf alone? I am convinced you get off on all the negativity that comes from rehashing old stories. Northview defeated Amat in the tournament, good for them. Lets move on. We should be wishing these two teams the best of luck as far as their quest to win a CIF championship. Why do you turn them on one another, you knew this would turn ugly. YOU ARE A INSTIGATOR AND A TRULLY SAD INDIVIDUAL.

To read all these posts is very interesting. It has been stated we are a little D-5 team in a weak league and many other things . But the truth is no matter what people think about us living in the past or our little D-5 CIF championship we still are thought of highly in the sports community. It was a big win for Northview beating us because they can say to other SGV schools something the others can't . They beat AMAT. As far as the person saying he wouldn't want a D-5 championship ring he is talking out of his ass probably because he has never been a champion in anything.I don't care what division or league or your age the feeling of being a champion is truly great. Another thing all this talk of shootings in La Puente is bull.Yes it happens but they do not have the market cornered on crime . Just look at the Trib and read where crime is rampant all over the SGV. How about the women shot in her driveway around the corner from SH. Shootings in Rowland Hts , Hacienda Hts , and very recently Covina . Hate to bring it up but let's be real here people. Again we are talking high school sports and lets hope this game now starts another rivalry with a game between us every year as this has been the hotest topic since football season ended.

HUH? - What exactly does that make you as you sit and respond to the "simplistic moron" at 12:30 IN THE MORNING? You my friend are what we call a LOSER. Get over the Glory Days, quit bragging about a Div. 5 rings and go get ready for the tailgate party in the ghetto. Oh now see I wanted to be more mature than you. Get over yourself dude-you obviously are not that happy or successful with your life to be sitting at a computer after midnight and bantering about how much better you think you really are, keep trying to convince yourself. Look in the mirror and repeat -- I am not ugly and I am a good person. Now bow down and kiss the ground you walk on and Thank the good Lord while you are at it.

HUH? - What exactly does that make you as you sit and respond to the "simplistic moron" at 12:30 IN THE MORNING? You my friend are what we call a LOSER. Get over the Glory Days, quit bragging about a Div. 5 rings and go get ready for the tailgate party in the ghetto. Oh now see I wanted to be more mature than you. Get over yourself dude-you obviously are not that happy or successful with your life to be sitting at a computer after midnight and bantering about how much better you think you really are, keep trying to convince yourself. Look in the mirror and repeat -- I am not ugly and I am a good person. Now bow down and kiss the ground you walk on and Thank the good Lord while you are at it.

NV4amat1, Trophy and your nuts? Wow, you sir are truly a loser. How much of a simplistic moron must you be to have to resort to highlighting your anatomy to make a point? You are obviously a juvenile, teenaged boy who is uneducated and challenged by the use of the english language. I can only look forward to your next post when you'll undoubtedly reference another part of your anatomy to make a point. Oh and don't worry about where they hold the Div V championship or any other Div championship for that matter. You and your team can go watch the two teams playing at Dodger stadium or UCR because your team still WONT BE PLAYING IN A CHAMPIONSHIP... AGAIN THIS YEAR! And you know what...they do give rings for Div V and regardless of the division, You still dont have one of those either! Here's another idea, why don't you go out and buy about twenty or so boxes of those "cracker jacks"and after you guys get bounced in the playoffs YOU can give away those rings to your boys. I do believe that that's as close as they are going to get to recieving any ring this year.

Huh,
Div. 5 champs shouldn't get rings unless they're from a crackerjack box. I wouldn't want one with that playoff division. CIF doesn't even let your division play on the big field, rather you go play at UCR. I'll tell you this, if you could tailgate in the Dodger Parking Lot, wouldn't that be cool so you can drink beers in the same lot that you do when you go see the Dodgers. Only thing getting shined this year is Glendora Tournament Trophy that we got for beating you. Hey Huh, come back here, so I can slap you around with that trophy and my nuts.

Glory days again, Step out of the valley and play some real teams. Hey Dude, the vvl is not all that great and neither is NV. Don't make Joe Amat come in here and slap you around with some more statistics! So here I go Brag, Brag, Brag and there's not a damn thing you can do about it but type in your little responses trying to make it seem like it doesn't bother you. Hey Bud, here's an idea, why don't you just leave the blog. Step away from your computer and do something else. Just stop reading and you wont feel compelled to respond.

You NV Honks are the ones always talking about Amat riding the coat tails of years past, at least we have some good years past to talk about like say, um...last years CIF Championship!! What did you win last year? Ya, NOTHING!And you should see those Championship rings those boys from AMAT are sporting WOW! They are reeaallly nice. You guys will have to keep on shining up those Triple Crown, Super Series Championship rings that you may have won in travel ball because as of lately, you don't have one that says CIF Champions (in any division)!

Huh,
what glory days have you had and the current Amat team have? 2-2 in a tournament? Cif Div. 5 title...come on tell me, and what are coatails? Ah, must be that education you keep talking about. Get off your horse, it's not as high as you think.

huh? that is befitting... I really am not that impressed that NV beat Amat in that tournament, I mean it;s cool and a well respected tourney but we rest our laurels on how we play IN SEASON and WHO we play is a big deal. Again, YOU will never have a fair fight cause yoyu are WEAK and that is a fact, I really NEVER hear any of the other teams in your league mentioned -EVER- SO THAT IS THE TRUE MEASUREING STICK or at least much better than the card you want to play. IN the last twenty two years, we have one ... do you think anybody cares?? Only the Amat alum and hey good for you, You must really need something in your life to brag about... Again the TRUE measure of a team is who you beat,and what your team shows when truly challenged. Not to beat the weakest teams out there again and again and yet brag so much about it. That is just pure comedy. Dude - have some integrity and lose the false cockiness, it ain't selling.

knowthegame - Being a Bonita alum and doing my substitute teaching thing before earning my degree, do you have any clue about the problems at South Hills? Are you one of those arrogant YET so ignorant parents of a South Hills kid?? Although you confuse "geographical desire" with importance, you are so wrong or in denial about the problems at South Hills. I'll wait a few to decide if I want to get into the specifics.

JoeNorthview, Are you serious? Final score 4-1 Northview and two of those runs were unearned off a misplayed pop up in left field. Again NV's whole season once again defined by their improbable win over the mighty amat lancers. When people continually use your team(Amat) as a measuring stick, then you will know you have arrived, BUT, since that doesn't happen, you will just have to bask in the glory of your once in a blue moon, season making victory over the Bishop Amat Lancers. Heck one day it will make a hell of a story for those boys to tell their grandkids...Yup,I remember that day we beat ol Bishop Amat in the glendora baseball tournament...HA,HA,HA,HA,HA.That's Pathetic. Remember, You have to HAVE coatails to ride'em and You have to have HAD glory days to live off'em. Get some of your own then we can talk. Until then Amat is and always will be, the program your program aspires to be!

Lickit, how come you did not win your own tournie, even with an easy bracket.
As of SH, sorry buddy but kids are in college and yes graduated from Sh. Much better choice then NV. I know if you had a chance your kid would be in SH too, so dont deny it.
Now go on and practice bunting.
Finally, do you guys have any good hitters like Bishop?

Joe Amat,
No one defends the bottom tier teams in the VVL, but I haven't heard anyone defend the La Salles, Bishop Montgomerys, and St Pauls either quite like you and other Amat fans do. Those are second tier programs. La Salle is a Hollenbeck caliber team and Montgomery, come on Joe. Don't tell me about Alemany beating South Hills and how that means they're good. Northview played poorly in their tournament, they know that, but let's not bust our balls when you went 2-2 in your tournament. Yes, it was a big time tournament, but I saw a game, you guys didn't turn the tournament on its head now did you? You guys got some good players and you mentioned a couple that I really like watching play the game, but Northview got some players at many positions and the pitching is most dominant in the area, those are facts for you to chew on since you're the accountant on #'s. You weren't at the big game between Amat and Northview, so it's hard for you to be the judge on how these teams match up since you were one of the few not there. You're right, it was one night, but Joe it was beautiful to watch a team so dominant of it's opponent. It really should've been 8-0 or so. Just beautiful, it really was.

Knowthegame,
Northview beat Bonita 10-3, yes the punchless joes, scored 10 runs on them. Anymore dumb responses from you? Next you will say South Hills should be #1.

halo
no its not rip, just a big sgv high school baseball fan. both Northview and Amat can beat ANY H.S. team, regardless of CIF divisions.

Why is NV so upset, just because you beat Bishop once does not mean you are the best team in the valley. If that was the case Bonita is ahead of NV since they won the NV tournie, which NV finished 5th? Overrated team, hitless joes! Beating a crappy Covina team and San Dimas does not mean a lot.
If Bishop was in Div 4 they would win CIF, much better hitters

Rip, the best part of your post was when you disassociated yourself from either school. Thank goodness, now please go back to the rock you came out from under to leave such a foul mouthed,infantile post.Both schools are better off without you taking a side!

Aside from all the sh*t talking all you do, as a sgv baseball fan I look forward to seeing and supporting amat and northview in the playoffs. This year NV handed it to amat, face the facts! Lets have some common pride and support the sgv teams!

Joe,

I'm wondering if this is really you. Never heard you sound so bitter.

The bottom line for high school sports is to get the kids to the next level. 4 seniors from Amat will sign letters of intent to play division one baseball next year:
Reyes- UC Irvine
Fox- UC Irvine
Murakami- San Francisco
Mistone- UC Riverside

Next year will probably be a different story with Pedroza and Arnold siging letter of intents. Amat may only have one next year in Zuniga. The following year Northview should have one in the younger Pedroza. Amat should have two in McClanahan and Paez. In three years Amat will have Franco and Anderson. As you can see every year Amat will turn guys out for the next level. It's not just the baseball program but also the school that prepares these student-athletes by placing them in the right classes. If Rodriguez was at Amat last year he probably would be playing division one right now. There is no excuse for Andrade and Elias not to play division one year next year. Let's just hope they are academically ready to go to division one.

An instigator? This is a prep blog and I'm asking the question of who's No. 1 in our Valley. It's not my fault you can't discuss this without getting all worked up.

JACK THIS

Sounds like someone needs a hug really bad.

Thanks for not allowing my first post Fred but as I said and it was not that offensive is your are a instigator to bring back this thread. Both teams will not face each other again this year so why the what if's? And now a poll? Have these people sling the sh-- back and fourth you must get off on this. It makes no sense let it go already.

What it all boils down to is that this year Northview beat us head on so they do deserve bragging rights. But if you do want to play for one of the top baseball programs in the SGV and get a top notch education at the same time to help you prosper at that D-1 school you get the scholarship to then AMAT is the place to be . Because no matter how all of you think that we live in the past and live on past glory we still do get the eyes of the scouts because of who we are now and what we have done in the past.

Northview won't even make past the second round in CIF...lol , --your players won't even get a full ride to Compton City Jr. College, let alone a DIV.1 university. Amat has 4 yes 4 starters going to d-1 schools--wow.. I guess the recruiters are all idiots- they are not over at Northview every game signing em' up...lol...lol... in addition 2-freshman and 3 sophmores are getting recruited already... but I forgot Northview is the greatest..joke... NO CIF SH@# FOR NORTHVIEW...PIECE OF SH#$ TEAM....

CANT WAIT TILL AMAT LOSES IN THE PLAYOFFS SO WE CAN LAUGH AT ALL OF THESE AMAT DONKEYS. AMAT SUCKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

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Roger Clemens,
is that while on steriods & on McCreedy ????? lol

WHAT DO YOU MEAN -ouch- Joe does what he does best, bores a bunch of us with his "facts" yet others come back with their "own" facts and he tells you about 20 years worth of BORING facs. Who has the time he does anyways? Now if you want to hit low and talk about the education that Amat can offer - Hands down you got that over most public schools -- AS YOU SHOULD...so unless you want us all to break that down into facts - spare me. Again, you AMAT people need to give up the THE AMAT DYNASTY and quit riding on the coat-tails of all the past teams. DEAL WITH WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT HERE.. NOT LIKE 5 YEARS AGO WHEN YOU PLAYED IN A REAL LEAGUE, against several good teams...AND QUIT BRAGGING ABOUT GOING 2-2 IN A "NATIONAL" TOURNAMENT, I would think you have higher standards than 2-2 and TRUST ME, it's not a jealousy thing. I bet if Roger Clemens pitched in 10 Minor league games, he would have a better record vs. 10 games in the Majors???? right???? Wait -- FACT OR FICTION???

WHAT DO YOU MEAN -ouch- Joe does what he does best, bores a bunch of us with his "facts" yet others come back with their "own" facts and he tells you about 20 years worth of BORING facs. Who has the time he does anyways? Now if you want to hit low and talk about the education that Amat can offer - Hands down you got that over most public schools -- AS YOU SHOULD...so unless you want us all to break that down into facts - spare me. Again, you AMAT people need to give up the THE AMAT DYNASTY and quit riding on the coat-tails of all the past teams. DEAL WITH WHAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT HERE.. NOT LIKE 5 YEARS AGO WHEN YOU PLAYED IN A REAL LEAGUE, against several good teams...AND QUIT BRAGGING ABOUT GOING 2-2 IN A "NATIONAL" TOURNAMENT, I would think you have higher standards than 2-2 and TRUST ME, it's not a jealousy thing. I bet if Roger Clemens pitched in 10 Minor league games, he would have a better record vs. 10 games in the Majors???? right???? Wait -- FACT OR FICTION???

Ouch! Atta boy Joe! In the battle of stat geeks(no offense) your the Champ Baby! Bottom line is...I still don't see or hear of the valleys top players busting down the doors to play at NV (even though they did beat Amat that one game back in 08)any school in the mighty vvl. But I guess that's because AMAT has already "recruited" them, huh? HA,HA,HA!

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You can say that facts are boring - but they are called facts for a reason. They are not beliefs. We know what you "believe"-that bias comes thru loud and clear. Let *facts* dictate what is real.

The top VVL teams play 3 games each vs
Ganesha 3-16 (and 1 win was a forfei!)
Pomona 6-15 (half their wins a vs Ganesha)
Baldwin Park 7-14 (4 of 7 wins vs Ganesha & Pomona)

the bottom 3 teams in the Del Rey League are
St Monica 4-15 ( how ugly would that match-up with Ganesha be?)
La Salle 13-11 (beat Monrovia who handed NV one of their losses)
Bishop Montgomery 14-9 (a double-header sweep over Alemany-who beat South Hills)

You can't even talk about "the strength of the VVL" if you work from the bottom up.

And at the top, we think Covina and San Dimas are pretty good -on some days. I've seen Pill throw and they'll be in any game he throws against anybody- if they can score. Who have they beat? La Habra? Los Osos? Jury's still out. San Dimas? I was starting to believe until the loss to Baldwin Park.

17-10 St Paul is *equal* to Baldwin Park? Please! St Paul has a win over Westlake who handed SoCal #1 Notre Dame on of their 2 losses. No comparison at all. You really need to get out of the fishbowl of the SGV and see some other talent around the section, region, state or nation. We have. It gives you a little different perspective.

Northview won't even make past the second round in CIF...lol , --your players won't even get a full ride to Compton City Jr. College, let alone a DIV.1 university. Amat has 4 yes 4 starters going to d-1 schools--wow.. I guess the recruiters are all idiots- they are not over at Northview every game signing em' up...lol...lol... in addition 2-freshman and 3 sophmores are getting recruited already... but I forgot Northview is the greatest..joke...

joe amat - you can spew all the boring facts you want BUT the fact remains the same, an easier league makes for a much better record. The pitching alone is not nearly as fierce in Amat's league. My statement only applies for this year though--who knows what next year offers?? And truth be told, I don't put a lot in tournament results, so while a great victory for NV, it is does not deserve all the credit that YOU give it. there is so much more that tells a better story of our season. I will give you the argument about St.Paul because we can say the same about Baldwin Park. They are both about even. good luck to both in post season.

Like you said Joe Amat "incorrect facts tend to hurt your argument and when one fact is disproven it questions the validity of all other facts". This was your quote. Taking into account that all of the team records are correct that you posted I would like you to add up the win/loss records again. The correct answer is 255-139-1. The winning % is .647.

Get the FACTS right next time because your book could be called "I May Be Right - But I Doubt It!"

Just the Facts,

The one thing that you need to do when throwing out facts is to make them accurate. Whether you are using the "Scientific method" or are in a court of law, incorrect facts tend to hurt your argument and when one fact is disproven it questions the validity of all other facts. Amat's opponents on the year have a winning % of .680. Take a look at the schedule below and their records. Double check my math if you want, but like Charles Barkleys book title..."I May be Wrong - but I Doubt It!"

However the only way that you can REALLY use comparative W-L records is if those teams play similar schedules. I don't think that you can compare the schedules of the teams below and see that THEY have played tougher schedules than NV's opponents have played. The schedules of Chatsworth, Loyola, and the teams in the National Classic do not even compare with those of University? Duarte?The rest of the VVL?. So I'd have to say that Amats opponents winning % is even a much stronger .680. And someone joked about Bishop Montgomery - they swept Alemany, who beat South Hills - can't be too bad. Any team that has 9 games against Ganesha, Pomona, and Baldwin Park cannot ever complain about someone elses league. And"... Playing a team from out of state does not, alone, make that team good...."
but their combined record of 86-23 sounds pretty good.

12-10 Charter Oak

13-9  Glendora

13-10  Colony

19-4 Northview

22-5 Chatsworth
 
14-9-1 Bishop Montgomery **

17-10 St. Paul **

19-6 St. John's
 
16-7  West Linn

23-6 Jupiter

28-4 Christian Brothers
 
13-11 La Salle **

4-15 St. Monica **

15-8 Damien

12-13 St. Francis

15-12 Loyola

Total W-L=255-120

So like I've said many times...stick to the ONLY argument that you really have that is really a comparative fact.. NV beat Amat head-to-head and were the better team..that night

NV won the only game that was played between the two teams, so we can only go by the outcome of that game as the only qualifier to determine which team has won the head to head matchup. I truly think that it is hard for either of these teams fans to be objective about each team, in any situation at this point in the season I believe that either team could now win a 1 game or a 7 game series. I'm not saying that Amat would win or that NV would win, I know that these games would be a knock down drag out fight(s) to the finish. What everyone here needs to remember is that the boys from both of these teams have and still do play on other teams together, so it is a matter of pride for all involved (boys & Parents). I wish all the success to both teams and hopefully next year Amat is moved up to Div. 4 so that these teams can play more than one game.

Vikesblow, make mention of the stat geeks, but when Mr. Joe Amat throws out the most obscure stats out there (7-0 at 3:15 game times and 4-1 wearing blue shirts-slight exageration, but Joe Amat knows his business and is a big time stat guy to support his arguments which is fine) you yell "Yeah, that's right" but when some good stats are thrown back your way which are legit I gotta admit favoring your nemesis (4-1 domination in Glend. Tourn.) you throw out stat geeks blah blah blah. Be a man, take it on the chin when someone has a point. You like Amat, everynone gets that, but throwing insults out there like this is one year stuff for Northview, you need to open your eyes and see what's been going on lately and remember you have the pleasures of recruiting. Reminder Northview 4 Amat 1. Did you get that Northview 4 Amat 1. Good luck this week, who do you got? Oh yeah, go get 'em against St. Monica or Bishop Montgomery. lol.

Whatever you dreamers. Glory past? Your living the dream over one year! Live it up cause the year is almost over and then you can start rebuilding and fine tuning so you make next years season by trying to repeat your greatest feat of this year...beating Amat. You guys amuse. It was ONE game get over yourselves. One more thing, stop going to the "glory days past" and "coat tails" cliches it makes you sound jealous and envious.

that is comical - amat is a better baseball program - I GUESS WE WILL NEVER KNOW THIS SEASON -- SINCE YOU PLAY AGAINST THE TEAMS YOU DO and IN THE LEAGUE THAT YOU DO. Get over yourself dreamer. Amat ain't the dynasty it once was, it's time to quit riding on the coat-tails of the amat dynasty.

Amat's league is only thing that blows...good ol La salle, wow they put up a fight didn't they? The league sucks and one more thing...Northview 4 Amat 1. That game was dominated, dominated by Northview. You only scored on an unearned run in the 7th and NV didn't even throw Pedroza at you.

You NV honks are the real joke. Your schools a joke. So what, you won one game against Amat. Big deal. All the number crunching by you stat geeks is truly funny. Unless your from Northview or your spawn plays there you KNOW that deep down, Amat IS, always has been, A BETTER BASEBALL PROGRAM! Your one win this year and your chirping about Covina and San Dimas being good really doesn't mean a thing. You might have been better on one night, great. Good for you,BUT, Real baseball fans know that BISHOP AMAT is where the valleys best athletes go to play. Amats bench would remove most of Northviews starters from their own starting line ups. Northview better than Bishop Amat, HA! Not in your lifetime!!ROLL BIG BLUE R.O.L.L!!!!

Dear Fred,

I know this topic is a great controversial topic that will have heated debates until the end of the season. Heck, it's been been argued all year. (That is awhile after the effects of Northview beating Amat in the Glendora tourney subsided). This is a pretty simple discussion if you look reasonably at the numbers.

1) Northview and Amat both had their aces throwing against each other at Goddard. Northview won that head-to-head match-up. Amat didn't put a run on the board until the 7th and that was only because a slow roller to short wasn't made. (unearned run)

2. Amat's and NV's records are almost identical. Amat's opponents this year have a total win percentage of .571. Northview's opponents have a total win percentage of .656. I don't understand why people talk about the teams that Amat played this year. Everyone needs to understand that the best baseball around the country is played in southern california. Playing a team from out of state does not, alone, make that team good.

3)Amat has outscored it's opponents this year 204-77. That means that they score about 8.5 runs per game. They give up about 3.2 runs a game. Let's assume realistically that they gave up about 10 unearned runs this year. That puts their team era at about 2.8. Northview has outscored their opponents 170-38. That means that they score around 7.4 runs per game. They give up about 1.65 runs per game. Let's assume the same 10 unearned runs. That puts Northview pitching giving up about 1.2 runs per game. Why has everyone overlooked Northview's overall team era for the year at about 1.20. I've never seen a team in all of my years watching high school baseball with an era that low.

4. Nieto's antics would get in the way (as always)of Amat winning. I remember all of the Amat faithful calling for his head after the Amat-NV game on the blogs. Nieto was so busy talking to Zuniga during game that he forgot Zuniga was pitching. The result was a balk because Nieto had Zuniga screwed up from too much coaching.

I would put my money on Northview (for the reasons above) against Amat in a 1 game playoff, a tourney championship, or a 7 game series. Northview's pitching is too dominant as proven against Amat earlier this year. Again, Amat only managed 1 unearned run.

I see Amat with a slight edge in offense and Northview a better 1-9 defensive team. The 1, 2, 3 pitching, (which is what the playoffs usually amount to), is pretty darn even. If there is a difference, it might be the Amat 10th graders who have grown up fast. Look at it this way: Lancers in a seven game series.

As we near playoff time, I've gotta return to the top ten wars. The parity in the Sierra League is amazing. When you look at the combined records of all six teams and the overall quality of the opposition I think most folks would rank the Sierra over the Valle Vista or Miramonte Leagues. I do. The lack of parity elsewhere is just sad. At least Bonita came around this year to make it a race against Charter Oak.

The fun this week will be in the Sierra where the momentum seems to be with Damien. I have them tied with the Tarts because the last meeting between the two didn't end up so red hot for the Spartans.

1. Bishop Amat To heck with the D5 playoffs, just get the banner made

2. Northview Tune up time for a run at the Division lV Title; a rocky road, that

3. Charter Oak Split the last 2 with Bonita to win the Miramonte, again

4. (tie) Damien Seem to be peaking at just the right time which they'll need against a solid Glendora team

4. (tie) Glendora Lost two to surging Ayala to further muddy the Sierra race

6. San Dimas Will begin the playoffs with well rested pitching but the Saints have to hit to win

7. South Hills Solid team, but I have questions about the second starter; don't worry about KS, he's just trying to jumpstart a team that plays in a moribund league

8. Bonita Split the last 2 with C O, finishes 2nd in Miramonte, again

9. Covina Who will be the lucky League victor to win a game against a Tyler Pill led Colt team in the round one D4 playoffs

10. Diamond Bar Brahmas are the best team in the Bar, the only good team the Panthers have beaten was an injury depleted Bonita squad in week 3

Let's keep this respectful because both teams are good. Either team can win a 1 gamer, Northview already did this, but the heart of a team has not been tested more than the Vikings this year. Look at not just the schedule because Amat will say we played Salem, Oregon blah blah blah, but your heart is tested in rivalries baby, where the blood boils, the intensity never wavers, and bragging rights are on the line. Northview's got San Dimas, Covina, Bonita, Charter Oak, and Amat to battle those games over with and have gotten the better of each of those teams. Amat's lack of big games hurts them in the series vs. Northview for this reason. Who is their big game against this year? St. Paul? Are we serious. Those are some mighty fine young boys over there at St. Paul, but a heated, no holds barred rivalry? I don't think Amat is battle tested in a hostile environment, which would be the case in a series. The wars leave scars, but those scars are what get you through the next war. Northview wins series!!!

OK FIRST OFF YOU SAY THE LANCERS HIT BETTER OKAY THATS TRUE BUT THE VIKINGS PITCH BETTER! THE VIKES WOULD WIN IN 6 GAMES THE DECIDING FACTOR WOULD BE THE CLOSER FOR NORTHVIEW. NORTHVIEW ALREADY BEAT THEM 4-1 AND PRETTY MUCH SILENCED THERE BATS IN A PONY FIELD.