Baseball: Andrade, Fox Co'MVPs

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Amat alumnis that are currently playing college ball:

Ryan Goetz- UCR
Jordan Fox- UCI
Eddie Crespo- APU
Ryan Dowell- APU
Mike Lugo- USD
Emanuel Sifuentes- Pepperdine

thats all i know of... that got scholarships...

oops forgot -- REALITY CHICK AND J.A.
n e x t !!

reality chick - shut the 'f' up - you whining little sissy. grow a set man.
joe a didn't win squat, re said the ONE same thing 100 x's and like the rest of us - it is his OPINION. i can back up all my opinions just as easily or put a spin just like he does but really - who would care to read all the BS?? NO ONE - SO I SAVE IT FOR JUST HIM. SORRY IF I HURT YOU AND YOUR BOYFRIEND'S FEELINGS. GO FIND YOUR OWN BATTLE - I AM PRETTY SURE JA DOESN'T NEED YOU OR YOUR UNDYING LOVE.

sorry ZZ - lost that one. as rome might say-no take and you sucked!!!

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CAPPY,

Once again you are the one that does not get it! You see, I have a sneaking suspicion that you have Amat ENVY and you allow your FEELINGS to cloud your judgement.

JA put it best "feelings change, facts don't"....But hey, you can always resort to name calling, although I doubt you would stoop to that level.....WAIT.....my bad, please disregard the previous statement.

CAPPY, CAPPY, CAPPY,

To answer your first question very simply...NO, I don't think you can...because you haven't offered any when asked. So that leads me to believe that it is not something that you know - it's just how you feel. But we've been down that road.

A wise man once said, "Do not have blind faith, but also no blind criticism."

Take that to heart. You'll be a better man for it. Emotional intelligence involves recognition that feelings change and feelings are not facts. Facts don't change.

The question that was asked by several people was "who has Amat played"? Someone specifically asked:

"...give us a break down of every other team in the Del Rey DIVISION 5, who beat who?? What SIGNIFICANT TOURNAMENTS they played in, Who stood out amongst all of those teams? ...and then let's talk more about the Del Rey -- Amat excluded

So that's where all the talk about opponents came from...Amat excluded - and Northview. We know about them, people didn't know about who they played. So THOSE are the people who "gave a flip!"

There has NEVER been any question that NV beat Amat head-to-head and should be ranked higher. Simple. WE AGREE. What you FAIL to see (or even look at) is that an independent source that knows far more than you or I, has a different view on those opponents than you do.

But you can continue to "feel" however you want. Feelings can provide useful information, sometimes they give inaccurate information.

Oh, look at the time...our session is over

Ok, Joe "Douglas" Amat!!

We know who you are!!

HAHAHAHA!

JOE AMAT and also amat90, do you not think there are at least 101 facts I could least about the NV baseball team - but the difference is - I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO READ ALL THAT CR**. PEOPLE DO NOT CARE ABOUT ALL JA'S STATS TRUST ME. IT ISN'T LAZINES -WE JUST DON'T CARE THAT AMAT BEAT 1 TEAM RANKED 22 POINTS HIGHER THAN NV -- WHO GIVES A FLIP. WE WERE RANKED HIGHER, IN THE MOST IMPORTANT CATEGORY, BY MAXPREPS... DO YOU THINK I AM STUPID ENOUGH TO BELIEVE THAT BECAUSE OF THAT STAT, NV WILL BEAT EVERY TEAM RANKED UNDER THEM -- NO, YOU MORON. SO WHO GIVES A FLIP ABOUT AMAT BEATING A TEAM RANKED HIGHER THAN NV!!! SERIOUSLY KNUCKLEHEAD -- DO YOU NOT GET THIS??? YOU SPEND SO MUCH PRECIOUS TIME DEFENDING AMAT AND IT'S WEAKNESSES THAT YOU ACTUALLY BRING SO MUCH NEGATIVE ATTENTION TO THE SCHOOL, SURELY YOU KIND OF GET THAT - RIGHT?

CAPPY,

You are the first poster to asked a question, and when a answer is given that does not equate to your needs, your reply is always the same! "DON'T GIVE US LONG BORING FACTS THAT WE CANNOT OR DON'T CARE TO VERIFY"!

Again, if you do not want the answer, do not ask the question....simple is it not?

Better yet, stop being lazy and check on the facts being presented, then, heres the best part....COME BACK AND REFUTE THEM WITH YOUR OWN RESEARCHED FACTS (FACTS = TRUTHS).

why dont you two just mellow out? nothing worse than two people with small d**** trying to out do each other

c'mon CAPPY,

It's pretty simple, if you read "RIGHT ON"s post. Tell me what you disagree with that he wrote. He said:

"Northview and Bishop Amat both won championships

Bishop Amat beat a team (in the Championship) that was ranked 22 spots ahead of Northviews opponent

St Paul is ranked 51 spots ahead of San Dimas,
Bishop Montgomery is ranked 3 spots ahead of Covina,
La Salle is ranked 210 spots ahead of Baldwin Park and
St Monicas ranked 37 spots ahead of Pomona
and then there is Ganesha who's another 75 spots below that.

There's the answer (AGAIN) to your most recent question:
"...LEAGUE PLAY AND PLAY-OFFS... TELL US ABOUT YOUR BIG, TOUGH CHAMPIONSHIP GAME -- we anxiously wait..."

So the fact that, as you say, "...NONE of us know..." is certainly not our fault. When info is presented - you don't care to read it, believe it, or check on it. To me... that's someone who doesn't really care to know.... and is going to believe what they want to believe.... whether there is any info to the contrary or not.

Joe amat -- halF of these comments are not from me - BUT MANY OF YOUR OTHER NEMESIS')I usually am the COME ON JOE (AND THEN tack on to whatever idiotic comment you made) just a little insight for you as to who I am -- and WHO ARE YOU AGAIN??? Funny thing - you appear in every thread and you are usually hasseling some other people. YOU KEEP FINDING ALL THESE PEOPLE TO SPAR WITH - I HAVE TO WONDER WHY??? TALK TO US - GIVE US SOME INSIGHT TO LITTLE JOEY'S PROBLEM... i still stand by my theory -- Fox's numbers are tough to judge because NONE of us know of the studly pitching in the DEL REY -- GET THAT FOR THE 100TH TIME -- IN THE DEL REY!!!! None of us can validate the other infamous pitching you talk of - so we will take your word. (?) But again - it all comes back to the comments about LEAGUE PLAY AND PLAY-OFFS... TELL US ABOUT YOUR BIG, TOUGH CHAMPIONSHIP GAME -- we anxiously wait. CHECK OUT HOW MANY OTHER THREADS you COME INTO AND HOW COMBATIVE YOU ALWAYS ARE WITH OTHERS.. THERE IS MEDICATION LITTLE JOEY. STOP THE HATE -- AND AGAIN, BE PRODUCTIVE.

Sorry, the story hasn't changed since March. Not ONCE. Please tell me ONE contradictory statement, where the story *changed*. In this thread? Ever?

BTW, it was "RIGHT ON" that came up with the "BeDazzled" thing. It is kinda a "little girl" thing. He must have daughters. Catchy though. And ironic when you really think about it. Especially with all of the "womens division/pink trophy" coming from the NV camp. His comparison WAS interesting, though. You think? If Amat won the womens division, and their opponents in league AND in the CIF Final were ranked *higher* then that must make NV's division the girls division? Fair assessment from "RIGHT ON"? Logical? You tell me. Why? Why not?

And, no, I didn't *start* anything on this thread. Maybe it was this one:
Let's see how many Amat players make this list if they competed in a division that really belonged in.
Posted by: John Greene | June 23, 2008 4:56 AM

or this one:
I am postive about this and most would agree altho Fox seems to be a good hitter those numbers really fall off the charts if he faced D1 pitching in his baseball seasons. ...
Posted by: Popular | June 23, 2008 1:45 PM

and this one:
Yes Amat fans, please tell us what pitching was equivalent to Pill, Pedroza, Droscall, Ponzo, Elias or Andrade??? And yesssss we know Fox faced a few of them - but in season play, when clutch hits were needed, WHEN did Fox have the oppurtunity to realy shine and face a challenge?? Was it in the CIF FINAL, against a team you played 3x's?? WHAT A JOKE. Mr. Amat - please don't list a page of pitchers from the National tourney, that no one can validate, let's keep it simple and just talk about league.
Posted by: TOUGH TIMES FOR AMAT | June 23, 2008 2:00 PM

...or even you Cappy:
WHEN YOU PLAYED IN A CIF CHAMPIONSHIP GAME AGAINST AN UNKNOWN TEAM -- exactly our point -- FOX AND AMAT FACED NOBODY AT LEAST NOT SUBSTANTIAL -- IS THAT NOT A FACT??? IN LEAGUE KNUCKLEHEAD...
Posted by: Come on Joe Amat | June 23, 2008 10:46 PM

That was you, wasn't it Cappy? Sometimes it's hard to tell - you change your name every time.

So you aked...We answered. Not just me but Amat90, complete man, Go Foxy, reality czech, Amat 73, RIGHT ON, and maybe more. You got your answers. with things that actually happened and and independent source (MaxPreps) that has no "feelings" like you do. Their rankings are based strictly on *facts*. Remember...if you don't want to get wet - don't sit by the pool.

You seemed to take first issue with the League, which appears to be ranked higher place by place than the VVL...and then you have Ganesha. Then you took issue with the CIF Final opponent, that was ranked higher than the D4 runner up. Curious, isn't it...maybe even ironic...funny actually.

And I also think it's interesting, CAPPY, that you keep coming on here saying to do something better with my time. Do you see the irony in that too? YOU are on here writing that....so....what are YOU doing with your time? Funny!

....we'll talk soon!

joe amat - WOW, YOUR story changes all the time, whatever suits your weak battle, are you a politician? what is really scary is that YOU know all about "bedazzling". Please don't reference that again. I had to go and verify with the little woman. maybe not the bb team but YOU probably wear PINK well. Again the fact remains MAX PREPS HAS NV RANKED HIGHER ON THE MOST IMPORTANT STAT OF ALL. And for the record - YOU turned this into a battle once again AS YOU ALWAYS DO, bloggers check out all his posts - JA you are always in some sort of dispute. IS IT ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULTY? ALWAYS??? U could be the problem - even behind your fancy words and oh so impressive stats (?) YOU ARE JUST A SMACK-TALKING, FULL OF HOT AIR, DISGRUNTLED, ARGUMENTATIVE Amat honker. AS ALWAYS MY ADVICE TO YOU -- FIND SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE TO DO WITH YOUR TIME. good luck

joe amat - WOW, YOUR story changes all the time, whatever suits your weak battle, are you a politician? what is really scary is that YOU know all about "bedazzling". Please don't reference that again. I had to go and verify with the little woman. maybe not the bb team but YOU probably wear PINK well. Again the fact remains MAX PREPS HAS NV RANKED HIGHER ON THE MOST IMPORTANT STAT OF ALL. And for the record - YOU turned this into a battle once again AS YOU ALWAYS DO, bloggers check out all his posts - JA you are always in some sort of dispute. IS IT ALWAYS SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULTY? ALWAYS??? U could be the problem - even behind your fancy words and oh so impressive stats (?) YOU ARE JUST A SMACK-TALKING, FULL OF HOT AIR, DISGRUNTLED, ARGUMENTATIVE Amat honker. AS ALWAYS MY ADVICE TO YOU -- FIND SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE TO DO WITH YOUR TIME. good luck

to joe is right on

northview beat BA. Dont even compare their title to the vikings. Amat won a womens league title and the 5 div womens title. no comparison. Northview is the clear number 1 in sgv and BA is a weak number 2

Richie Pedroza-Northview/Fullerton
Brady Zuniga Bishop Amat/UNLV
Phil Holinsworth-Chino Hills/UC Riverside
Giovanni Mier-Bonita was
named to the Aflac All American that will be played in Dodger stadium.

It will be fun to follow the players coming up. July 1st is the first day all the colleges can start making their phone call to recruits. Any others receive offers?

Interestingly enough, you bring the conversation back to my very first comment on this thread... and we agree. Imagine that!

I started, waaay down at the bottom, by saying, "First, let me say congratulations to Andrade (who, immediately after their championship, I called the "heart and soul of the Vikings and my vote for POY") and Murphy - also my choice for COY."

... and it wasn't me that it "suited" it was "RIGHT ON", but details, detaisl!?!? You haven't been too good with those either - hence the whole debate.

Not once **all season** have I said that Amat should be ranked ahead of Northview, so you, me and MaxPreps agree. I'm curious why you can't see that and continue to try to infer that I think otherwise? Blinded by something... not sure what... shall we guess? I think I know. Happens all the time. You'll be fine. Really!

However, if you're going to quote "the bible" , as you say, then quote it correctly.
Northview is #9 - not #7, but who's counting. So #9 and #15 in the state - that's about right.
You can check that here:
http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/StateRankings.mxp/Boys_Varsity_Baseball_Spring_07-08/California

...and since we're talking MaxPreps ... coming full circle , once again, to my first post:

"Remember, Maxpreps ranked Amats strength of schedule a 7.5 and Northviews a 6.6 - not to put down NV's schedule - just to compare....since that's what you all seem to want to do."

Which was really the point of this entire discussion. As stated by "RIGHT ON" (thanks for the support) it was not EVER about Amat vs NV. In the first 25+posts before I jumped in were comments about Fox (and Amat) not facing any competition and, if he did, of course his stats wouldn't be the same. A) not true, his stats were even better against better competition and B) as stated by RIGHT ON - Amat's opponents in league are ranked higher place-by-place than those in the VVL.

So really, Thanks for agreeing. Facts: Northview won a championship-Amat won a championship. Andrade and Fox should be proud. Murphy did a great job. Northview beat Amat and should be ranked higher. Amats league opponents were ranked, place by place, at least as high (notice I didn't say "higher"... even though !:?) so the competition was comparable. Both schools should be proud. Amat should not have a "pink trophy" for winning the "womens" division. Northviews trophy should not be "BeDazzled" for wining the girls division.
(...but that was a good one!!!)

Joe Amat - then MaxPreps aka the bible (since that suits you now)
NORTHVIEW RANKED #7
BISHOP AMAT #15

NV #7, BA #15
Now that is amazing that they have NV ranked 8 spots higher than good ole BA..

If I want to play YOUR game, that is the only stat that matters.

Joe Amat - then MaxPreps aka the bible (since that suits you now)
NORTHVIEW RANKED #7
BISHOP AMAT #15

NV #7, BA #15
Now that is amazing that they have NV ranked 8 spots higher than good ole BA..

If I want to play YOUR game, that is the only stat that matters.

After reading the rankings below, that I'm assuming come from MaxPreps which has more information than all of us,
Northview and Bishop Amat both won championships
Bishop Amat beat a team that was ranked 22 spots ahead of Northviews opponent
St Paul is ranked 51 spots ahead of San Dimas,
Bishop Montgomery is ranked 3 spots ahead of Covina,
La Salle is ranked 210 spots ahead of Baldwin Park and
St Monicas ranked 37 spots ahead of Pomona
and then there is Ganesha who's another 75 spots below that.

So if Bishop Amat won the WOMEN'S title, I guess congratulations to the Valle Vista League for being in the GIRL'S division! Maybe your trophies can be BeDazzled!

yeah congrats to amat for winning the WOMENS title

JOE AMAT - FOR A MAN ON THE BLOG AS MUCH AS YOU ARE AND FIGHTING WITH ALL THOSE "OTHER" BLOGGERS, I FIND IT IRONIC THAT 'YOU' MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT UNARMED BLOGGERS - JUST ANOTHER ONE OF YOUR BACKHANDED-SARCASTIC COMPLIMENTS. SERIOUSLY DUDE - GET A LIFE. THINK OF ALL THE TIME AND ENERGY YOU WASTE, GOTTA BE BETTER THINGS IN LIFE YOU CAN BE DOING. DON'T YOU HAVE KIDS TO RAISE? OR A JOB THAT REQUIRES 'HARD WORK', A MAN OR WOMAN TO PLEASE?? I THINK YOU GET THE PICTURE. FIND PEACE MY BROTHER, BE "PRO"DUCTIVE IN LIFE.

voice of reason - Beautifully put and well written. The 2008 baseball season will live forever in every Viking fan's heart as I am sure with all the other winners. We enjoyed the ride. Good Luck to all the below mentioned.

It's time to close the chapter on the 2008 season. Congratulations to Northview and Bishop Amat for winning CIF. Congrats to Diamond Ranch and South Hills for making it to Dodger Stadium. Congrats to Marc Andrade and Jordan Fox for sharing the Tribune player of the year. Hats off to Darren Murphy the coach of the year. Congrats to Danny Pertusati , Tyler Pill, and Jordan Leyland in getting drafted. Congrats to all the players going off to play D1 ball: Pill, Leyland, De La Fuente, Fox, Reyes, Mistone, and Murakami. Those going to D2, D3, NAIA, and JC, keep your dreams alive. To those who have played their last game, thanks for the memories.

Now on to the 2009 season. Besides Richie Pedroza, has any other players from the class of 2009 committed to a D1 school?

I'm glad I checked to see who won the All-Star game. Tough loss for the East.

While deep down, I might "think" that sometimes... I wouldn't write it. But thanks for the backup.... I think.

I do somewhat enjoy having the battle of wits with unarmed bloggers.

you all can kiss my ass. i am sick of you mo fo's

Joe Amat or AHole, you pick which you want to call him. After reading your response to the last post about you being joe ahole, a song comes to mind about your post..."I tried my best but I guess my best wasn't good enough". Granados answer was good, good kid too. Funny how you prove our theory about the schedule...if you know Granados was in right, you know darn well what their 2009 schedule is. That's more important to you than your schedule.

First, find ONE "blast" anywhere. A "blast" would be calling you an ignorant, idiot and I probably wouldn't write that even if I thought it was true (you guess). A "blast" would be if I *criticized* a player, coach or school with a useless, senseless, and baseless insult of his skills, looks, or location rather than offering some informed opinion. A "blast" would be if I screamed obscenities with poorly written, unintelligent sentences intended to only put someone down, rather than offering any additional thought or information. Those would be attempted "blasts". Some blasts hit and some are like Afghan Scuds. Yours would be the latter.

The one thing that I'm pretty confident in is if you represent what Northview has to offer, then those of us that were products of an Amat education should feel pretty secure that our alma mater will continue to thrive... especially given the alternative, and that Amat grads will always have someone to hire to do their manual labor.

Now THAT might be a blast.... and BTW - Mark Granados, I think... you know...the '87 right field thing!

Joe Asshole (Formerly Amat),
You live and die with everything Amat. If Amat had a store, you'be be shopping on it on Christmas Eve (maybe I can get Little Johnny a Lancer Beanie-how cute). You can answer the most random bullsh*t question like who played right field on the 87 team in 5 seconds, but you couldn't answer question about next year schedule for two days? Calling you out 5 Time Bishop Amat Jeopardy Champion. You didn't know that answer, you just lost "Who wants to be an Amat Millionaire" on the first question. Your lefthanded compliments are worse than you just straight out talking sh*t because they're not sincere. Nice cozy comments about "Goosebumps" with Mrs. Pill. It wasn't sincere because all this week and last, you've been blasting her son's team Covina and the VVL. Covina and NV are rivals, but the Pill family has friends from Northview and they're sincere, unlike you. JUST IN!!! NEWSFLASH- Joe Asshole has complimented Northview 2 times with lefthanded compliments this season and the Pill family "goosebumps" reference was used 4 times during second week of May. (More boring and useless stats). When you were born, you must've been born ass first because that's what you are consistantly. Late Joe Asshole.

SORRY J.A. THE WAY YOU SIT AND WAIT TO IMPLODE US WITH BORING, TRUE (?) FACTS, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE PRETTY SIMPLE FOR YOU TO GET A SIMPLE QUESTION ANSWERED.. AND PLEASE WITHOUT ALL THE SHENANIGANS OR PSYCHOLOGICAL REASONS WHY 'NOT' TO PLAY IN THE TOURNEY. NO EXCUSES LIKE NOT WANTING TO REVEAL THE GOODS, OR LIST 5 OTHER SCHOOLS THAT MIGHT DO THE SAME THING. AGAIN -- BORING !!!!!! YES OR NO SPEED DIAL YOUR BUDDY, NIETO AND GET THE JUICE.

SORRY J.A. THE WAY YOU SIT AND WAIT TO IMPLODE US WITH BORING, TRUE (?) FACTS, WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE PRETTY SIMPLE FOR YOU TO GET A SIMPLE QUESTION ANSWERED.. AND PLEASE WITHOUT ALL THE SHENANIGANS OR PSYCHOLOGICAL REASONS WHY 'NOT' TO PLAY IN THE TOURNEY. NO EXCUSES LIKE NOT WANTING TO REVEAL THE GOODS, OR LIST 5 OTHER SCHOOLS THAT MIGHT DO THE SAME THING. AGAIN -- BORING !!!!!! YES OR NO SPEED DIAL YOUR BUDDY, NIETO AND GET THE JUICE.

Pico,

Here's a tip for you too...
Don't believe everything you hear and only half of what you see!

Especially from kids - they're real reliable!

...and, BTW, it sure became an issue here if you don't "live and die with what (we) do"

Tyson,

Some "blog education" for you. The person posting's name is BELOW the post. So #1 I never mentioned anyone "ducking" anyone- "get the answer last night" - that was
Posted by: Just In | June 27, 2008 9:20 AM

Just like you didn't scream that you were uneducated about scholarship - that was the post BELOW yours.

Sorry, I won't answer a question I don't know the answer to... no matter how many times or ways you ask it. That way when I do answer... you can be pretty sure I've checked it out.

No offense taken

Class dismissed.

No one starting anything. Amat kids told people that they were out of the Glendora Touranment. The rest of the valley doesn't live and die with what you do. If you don't want people thinking you are out of the tournament, tell your kids not to say that.

Joe Amat,
It wasn't mentioned that anyone was ducking anyone, just a question that seemed to take two days to get answered, but only 5 min. to post the most unusual or unknown stat to man. It's easy to see that you have contact and talk with Flat Tire because of the answers you have and how you got the answer last night. Good, we're glad to see that they're going back to it.
3/4 of baseball athletes going to school do not get that much.

Joe Amat - I shock myself in saying this, I am NOT very educated on the 'scholarship' awarding process. WAIT - LET ME SWITCH TO CAPS -(I think you like me better that way) AS I HAVE SAID MANY, MANY TIMES BEFORE - B.A. SHOULD BE VERY SUCCESSFUL AT SENDING KIDS ON TO 4YR. SCHOOLS, THAT IS THE MAIN REASON FOR SENDING THE KIDS THERE I AM SURE. SO PROPS TO AMAT FOR THAT, BUT I DO QUESTION YOUR ESTIMATE THAT 3/4 GO ON FULL RIDES. HOWEVER, THAT IS NOT MY BATTLE WITH AMAT - SO I BOW OUT GRACEFULLY ON THE SCHOLARSHIP/COLLEGE DEBATE. I AM READY FOR THE NEXT ONE THOUGH.

CAPPY,

Being as knowledgable as you are, I'm sure that you know that D1 baseball programs are *allowed* to offer 11.7 scholarships, yet some athletic departments actually cut that number to as low as 3 or 4. Coaches then become creative and recruited athletes apply for other forms of scholarships, grants, and financial aid. It doesn't really matter where the money comes from as long as the money is coming.

Obviously I'm not in the living room of every player that has signed Letters of Intent or scholarship papers. What I will say is that every player on the list has been a legitimate recruited college baseball player that has received financial assistance, played, and contributed. No
"daddy-pays-my-way-to-wear-a-uniform-so-i-can-be-a-glorified-batboy"
in the bunch. And my estimation is over 75% have been full scholarship guys.

This "creative financing" happens to an even larger extent at NAIA programs (like Bethany and Concordia that have both been mentioned) and entirely ay DIII non-scholarship programs like Macalaster or University of La Verne. The key is that kids like Williams from NV and the slew of the Amat kids at ULV are getting a great education AND continuing to play intercollegiate sports...LONG after the other guys stop playing catch.

This is another reason that you see so many former Lancers go on and play in college. They are attractive recruits because 1) they can play, and 2) because they are prepared academically they are able to qualify for other money that alleviates the baseball programs budget and they can use some of that for even more players. Bottom line is if a college admissions and/or financial aid officer will look at two files - one with a 4.3 from an established, respected private school and the 4.6 from the local public school - the private school kid gets the spot or the cash (all other things being equal) If you don't believe me, ask a college employee...off the record.

So those players become desired recruits while other players find the need to go the JC route, hoping that two years down the road things are better. Sometimes they are... more often than not - they're not - for the same reason.

It was confirmed last night that Amat is still in the Glendora Tournament. Stop trying to start things that aren't there. They never had any intentions of pulling out of the Glendora Tournament. The Redondo Tourney doesn't conflict with Glendora. Amat does not and will not duck anybody.

THE TRUTH,
Thanks for an honest reply. Haven't seen one in a long time . As I said per chance and I won't jump the gun on what will happen . But it will be interesting if it should come to pass.

Haven't checked the blog for awhile, and seriously, this is UNBELIEVABLE!! Over 125 posts on pretty much the same thing over and over again. I am not on anyone's "side" here, but with the exception of Don and Joe Amat (and some others) the majority of the posts on here are for the most part illiterate rantings from people who can't spell and have serious issues with Bishop Amat. Get over it! I have my opinions on this stuff, but how long are you all going to continue this? I do have to agree that in the past Amat has produced some very talented athletes that have gone on and done well at both the collegiate and professional levels. Other schools have as well. Whatever! I didn't know it was a contest. Great job to all of the players who have excelled (and even to those that are done) and are continuing to live their dreams. To each his own.

amat 73 - until you are in Division 1, where you should be, you should be capable of beating any teams under Division 1 (in theory)
i have to agree - don't be getting too ahead of yourselves there big boy.

truth hurts,
Listen here you !@&^%$ (*&&^%& )(&*^% . No just kidding.We would love for CIF ot move us back into D-1,more exposure, tuffer competition. But since we are going up to D-4 next and per chance we win it all what are all the SGV teams going to say then ,that D-4 is full of weak teams and we should be awarded a pink trophy again.But I won't jump the gun and let's just see what happens if that comes to pass.

OK SERIOUSLY - JA, ARE YOU SAYING EVERY SINGLE PLAYER THAT YOU LISTED IS OR WENT TO THE LISTED COLLEGE ON A BASEBALL SCHOLARSHIP?? BECAUSE AGAIN IF RUDY IS SUGGESTING WHATEVER SCHOOL HE IS SUPPORTING - HAS SENT MORE TO COLLEGE, WELL THEN I GOTTA SHAKE SOME SENSE INTO MY BUDDY. AGAIN - ARE YOU SAYING EVERY SINGLE PLAYER LISTED IS OR WENT TO THE COLLEGE YOU LISTED ON A BASEBALL/ATHLETIC SCHOLARSHIP FROM BISHOP AMAT? LET ME BE CLEAR BEFORE I REALLY RESPOND.

Cut and Pasted from all the lists

David Pierson-Graduated from San Jose State after being a 4 year starter and now a assisitant coach.
Adam Simon-graduated fromSan Diego State now in the Pirates organization
Michael Lange-Graduated from Santa Clara University
Danny Haren- MLB All Star, Pepperdine All Conference
Michael Young-MLB All Star UC Santa Barbara All Conference
Michael Lamb-Long MLB career Fullerton All Conference
Eric Valenzula-Pepperdine graduate-Head recruiter at national ranked U of San Diego
John Jackson-USC Angels in Baseball/Cardinals in Football. Announcer for FoxSports West.
Gabe Miranda-APU college coach
Jim Bullard-UC Santa Barbara/White Sox
PJ Pillitere-Fullerton/NY Yankees
Chris Cunningham-Arizona
Richie Burgos-Fullerton
Ted Persell-Fullerton Alta Loma Head Coach
Eddie Crespo 2003 APU
David Thompson 2005 Southern Utah
Steve Martalaro 2004 USC
Anthony Romero 2003 CPP
Andrew Soto 2003 Concordia
David Gomez 2001 Fresno St (the NCAA Champion Bulldogs)
Miguel Sanchez - Arizona State
Eddie Crespo 2003 APU
David Thompson 2005 Southern Utah
Steve Martalaro 2004 USC
Anthony Romero 2003 CPP
Andrew Soto 2003 Concordia
David Gomez 2001 Fresno St (the NCAA Champion Bulldogs)
Gabe Alvarez USC Padres, Tigers
Mark Esparza San Diego State University
Mike Munoz Cal Poly Pomona, 11 yrs MLB
Randy Tanner USC, Padres
J.R. Phillips MLB 6 years
Jordan Swaydan San Diego State University, Brewers
Dennis Wyrick Arizona State University Orioles
Matt Lawhorn - USD,CPP
Miguel Sanchez - Arizona State
Fox- UC Irvine
Reyes- UC Irvine
Mistone- UC Riverside (walk on)
Murakami- U of San Francisco (academic)
Olivares- UC Irvine
Eusebio- Loyola Marymount
Goetz- UC Riverside
Sifuentes- Pepperdine
Forthun- Columbia
Contreras-LaVerne
Hattabaugh-LaVerne
Munoz-La Verne
Lugo-Uni of San Diego
S. Medrano-signed by Royals
J. Medrano-sign Marlins

If you back in time you might get a lot more. Is this enough for you Rudy.

I think you either missed the point of my post or you chose to not respond as to why I am very annoyed.
I do understand why it was said (in the appropriate situation)and I understand that the colleges will see Fox and not necessarily his size when it matters.

I just wish the comment was never made or that 25 other things were said instead. Read all the other coaches comments about their players. Fantastic support and very classy.

Jordan actually commented on the quote and that is where I am led to believe, it really must have been said. I applaud how Foxy answered, it showed maturity by thanking him but it seems he got in a littel dig or "I will show him" when he mentioned succeeding despite his comments. Fox deserved better and that's all. Thank you for your time.

Answer simple question,
No, Rudy didn't say they've sent more. Read again, that's now what he said, so please enough with the hard ons for Amat. We get it. Joe Amat and his family are the last prophet in god's kingdom. Jeez, I would think even Amat people would get tired of Joe patting Amat on the back.

Joseph Amato,
Answer the question, Did Amat remove itself from the Glendora Tournament? Don't give me that 1/2 ass answer you gave earlier. You know what hand Flat Tire wipes his a.. with, so you know if they're in or out of the Glendora Tournament. Just say it. Did they remove themselves or not?

OK SERIOUSLY - JA, ARE YOU SAYING EVERY SINGLE PLAYER THAT YOU LISTED IS OR WENT TO THE LISTED COLLEGE ON A BASEBALL SCHOLARSHIP?? BECAUSE AGAIN IF RUDY IS SUGGESTING WHATEVER SCHOOL HE IS SUPPORTING - HAS SENT MORE TO COLLEGE, WELL THEN I GOTTA SHAKE SOME SENSE INTO MY BUDDY. AGAIN - ARE YOU SAYING EVERY SINGLE PLAYER LISTED IS OR WENT TO THE COLLEGE YOU LISTED ON A BASEBALL/ATHLETIC SCHOLARSHIP FROM BISHOP AMAT? LET ME BE CLEAR BEFORE I REALLY RESPOND.

observer,

There is no *direct quote* from Nieto in the article only Fred knows exactly waht was said when Fred paraphrased his comments. If it was a quote..well then it'd be in quotes. But as someone that has worked with college coaches, frustratingly (if that's a word) at times - the "look test" trumps performance far too often. All you have to do is follow todays NBA draft to see that, and it's no different in other sports. They've got game after game after game of performance and they have to bring them in and *measure them*. Geez, if they are smaller than you thought...that just means they PLAY bigger than they are. That's what they want don't they?

So I'm with you, that's where Nieto was probably coming from (and Jordan IS left-handed !:?)...but it would probably be nice if there were ANY direct quotes from Nieto at all. So we'll just have to guess if anything else was said.

..and add:
Eddie Crespo 2003 APU
David Thompson 2005 Southern Utah
Steve Martalaro 2004 USC
Anthony Romero 2003 CPP
Andrew Soto 2003 Concordia
David Gomez 2001 Fresno St (the NCAA Champion Bulldogs)

Rudy......we told you......

Rudy, Rudy, Rudy, I warned you. I told you that you didn't want to play this game....but you insisted.

to add to that list:
Gabe Alvarez USC Padres, Tigers
Mark Esparza San Diego State University
Mike Munoz Cal Poly Pomona, 11 yrs MLB
Randy Tanner USC, Padres
J.R. Phillips MLB 6 years
Jordan Swaydan San Diego State University, Brewers
Dennis Wyrick Arizona State University Orioles
Matt Lawhorn - USD,CPP
Miguel Sanchez - Arizona State

does any Lancer want to pitch in some more names? or is someone going to try a drive-by and pile on with some more nonsense?

...and that's just baseball. Don't make us go pigskin on you!

Can I ask a question here?

I am an Amat follower and I am really annoyed. I have read all the articles and quotes from the coaches regarding their POY guys. I loved Murphy's quotes about Mark Andrade, I enjoyed hearing Gano talk about his POY, Diana-lynne Patterson and and even the swimmer guy (sorry I dont follow) EverY coach had nothing but praise and talked of the many accomplishments by that kid. I bet it melted the parent's hearts. Everyone wants to hear the good things about their kid, am I right?

Did I miss a chunk of the article with Nieto and Fox. All I recall hearing Nieto say was that IF Fox were taller and heavier, he would have been a first rounder. While I get in a wierd way, he was complimenting Fox, is that the only thing he could come up with to say? My friends that is what we call a left-handed compliment. it appeared that it confused Fox as well, like it was kind of a compliment but quite a big IF. i really appreciated Fox being somewhat respectful but I did love that he mentioned after he acheived his academic goals that HE could still work hard and get good results with baseball.

I am sorry I know the Amat family does not like bashing one of our own, but I have really been bothered by that article. I expected and wanted to hear more good things about Fox and not what his lack of height and weight would do to hold him back. Please do not tell me I misunderstood, I agree it was probably meant as a compliment, I just question that that was the best Nieto could do.

Can I ask a question here?

I am an Amat follower and I am really annoyed. I have read all the articles and quotes from the coaches regarding their POY guys. I loved Murphy's quotes about Mark Andrade, I enjoyed hearing Gano talk about his POY, Diana-lynne Patterson and and even the swimmer guy (sorry I dont follow) EverY coach had nothing but praise and talked of the many accomplishments by that kid. I bet it melted the parent's hearts. Everyone wants to hear the good things about their kid, am I right?

Did I miss a chunk of the article with Nieto and Fox. All I recall hearing Nieto say was that IF Fox were taller and heavier, he would have been a first rounder. While I get in a wierd way, he was complimenting Fox, is that the only thing he could come up with to say? My friends that is what we call a left-handed compliment. it appeared that it confused Fox as well, like it was kind of a compliment but quite a big IF. i really appreciated Fox being somewhat respectful but I did love that he mentioned after he acheived his academic goals that HE could still work hard and get good results with baseball.

I am sorry I know the Amat family does not like bashing one of our own, but I have really been bothered by that article. I expected and wanted to hear more good things about Fox and not what his lack of height and weight would do to hold him back. Please do not tell me I misunderstood, I agree it was probably meant as a compliment, I just question that that was the best Nieto could do.

Rudy, Here is few of Amat Baseball Alums

David Pierson-Graduated from San Jose State after being a 4 year starter and now a assistant coach.

Adam Simon-graduated from San Diego State now in the Pirates organization

Michael Lange-Graduated from Santa Clara University

Danny Haren- MLB All Star, Pepperdine All Conference

Michael Young-MLB All Star UC Santa Barbara All Conference

Michael Lamb-Long MLB career Fullerton All Conference

Mike Munoz-Long MLB Career-Cal Poly Pomona

Eric Valenzula-Pepperdine graduate-Head recruiter at national ranked U of San Diego

John Jackson-USC Angels in Baseball/Cardinals in Football. Announcer for FoxSports West.

Gabe Miranda-APU college coach

Jim Bullard-UC Santa Barbara/White Sox

PJ Pillitere-Fullerton/NY Yankees

Chris Cunningham-Arizona

Dennis Wyrick-ASU

Richie Burgos-Fullerton

Ted Persell-Fullerton Alta Loma Head Coach

Fox- UC Irvine
Reyes- UC Irvine
Mistone- UC Riverside (walk on)
Murakami- U of San Francisco (academic)
Olivares- UC Irvine
Eusebio- Loyola Marymount
Goetz- UC Riverside
Sifuentes- Pepperdine
Forthun- Columbia
Contreras-LaVerne
Hattabaugh-LaVerne
Munoz-La Verne
Lugo-Uni of San Diego
S. Medrano-signed by Royals
J. Medrano-sign Marlins

I am sure I am missing a bunch

Q,

Nice. Now that I can appreciate!

covinabaseballfan and I have had a few exchanges about Brett, CSUF, and his subsequent career - so that was completely sincere. Heck, I got goosebumps and I'm not related.

and c'mon now... easy, easy... I know you're hanging on my every word but I gotta put in a couple hours of work every now and then. You can wait a bit for an answer. Go have that breakfast burrito at Albertos. You're right - don't get stuck on Cypress waiting to get into the drive-thru. You might get rear-ended. But the way you've been talking about my a$$ - you may enjoy it.

Joe: "You f****d with the wrong Marine!!!"

Now what was the question?

Just kidding. From what I hear Nieto was considering changing tournaments, but I don't have a confirmation... that's why I didn't answer. The reasoning is the same as why the Miramonte and San Antonio League are no longer "cross-scheduling" in football. Even if there are some great matchups that everyone wants to see. They are in the same playoff division now - so why should Los Altos play South Hills - if there might be a rematch in the playoffs. Same idea with the GHS Tourney. With the VVL and Miramonte being heavily represented they might go to another equally tough tournament in anticipation of matching up against those schools in the playoffs anyway.

The Redondo Tournament is being mentioned, but it is at a different time so that doesn't really conflict with GHS. It is a tournament spread out over a longer period, so it doesn't impact pitching as much, and still has a pretty good group of teams including Simi Valley, the Division 1 champ.

...not saying that I agree with the change...but that's the thought process at present.

I hear Amat is bypassing the lowly, unpopular Glendora tournament to be in the BIGGEST, BESTEST tournament ever. I hear it's even in another country maybe - and they will have the best players ever - and you will not believe their rankings - yep the best and highest ranking ever. Check the numbers, they are pure facts.

Answer the question -- is getting a STANDING OVATION for that performance - pure brilliance. AND JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF JOE AMAT ONLY ANSWERING WHAT HE WANTS. AND AGAIN J.A. - JUST BECAUSE YOU BLOW OUT SOME RESPONSE DOES NOT MEAN IT IS THE TRUTH. YOU 'BLOW' A LOT OF HOT AIR AND TRY TO FANCY IT UP WITH NUMBERS, ALBEIT INACCURATE NUMBERS - BUT WHO CARES TO CHECK? BTW - LOVE ALBERTO'S!!! CAREFUL IT'S A WICKED CORNER. THERE IS A DISTINCT SMELL WITH ALL YOUR ANSWERS - YES BECAUSE THEY COME FROM A CERTAIN PART OF YOUR ANATOMY.

Answer the question -- is getting a STANDING OVATION for that performance - pure brilliance. AND JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF JOE AMAT ONLY ANSWERING WHAT HE WANTS. AND AGAIN J.A. - JUST BECAUSE YOU BLOW OUT SOME RESPONSE DOES NOT MEAN IT IS THE TRUTH. YOU 'BLOW' A LOT OF HOT AIR AND TRY TO FANCY IT UP WITH NUMBERS, ALBEIT INACCURATE NUMBERS - BUT WHO CARES TO CHECK? BTW - LOVE ALBERTO'S!!! CAREFUL IT'S A WICKED CORNER. THERE IS A DISTINCT SMELL WITH ALL YOUR ANSWERS - YES BECAUSE THEY COME FROM A CERTAIN PART OF YOUR ANATOMY.

Joe Amat,
Is Amat back in the Glendora Tournament or not? Answer the question. (A Few Good Men with Joe Amat)
Blogger: "Joe Amat, answer the question, did Amat pull out of the Glendora Tournament?"

Joe Amat- "We've won back to back cif championships in Div. 5 and I protect my Lancers with all my stats and meaningless numbers post after post, the least they could do is say Thank You".

Blogger- "Joe Amat, did Amat pull out of the Glendora Tournament or not?"

Joe Amat- "What do you want from me, I dig up more numbers than you can possibly imagine to support my sick obsession with Amat and you ask me if we pulled out of the Glendora Tournament?"

Blogger- "I want the truth"

Joe Amat- "You can't handle the truth"

Blogger- "Joe Amat, did you and your Lancers pull out of the Glendora Tournament?"

Joe Amat- (Typing as fast as he can) "You're god damn right we did" (Joe Amat slams the keyboard in disgust knocking over his milk and twinkies).

By the way, clever analogy and goosebumps comment with Mrs. Pill-sorry, but she knows her family has love from many Viking Fans.

c'mon,

The boy straight out asked if anyone has been as dominant as Pedroza that has come out of Amat and followed it up with a resounding NOOOO!

So not trashing anyone, just making the comparisons that Rudy-boy wanted and answered his question. Remember Rule #1, don't ever ask a question unless you are prepared for the answer. And it might not be one that you like.

So I though I's keep it simple and started with a couple of teammates of Pedrozas (and could do more if you'd like). Again, if you'd take the time to read the thread from bottom to top, you'd realize the questions asked and answered.

BTW, since you "remember the game well" did I replay the situation as it happened...or do you remember different?

So if you'd get off my a$$ you'd quit thinking that I was talking out of it. You're must have misheard something...I just stopped at Alberto's across the street from NV.

Now you know what Shaq asked Kobe?...never mind!

and what is your original thought?

There goes Joe Amat talking out of his a** again. Really - you are going to trash Pedroza now -- what class.. Remember that game well and we love Brett Pill as he is a Covina boy - so don't go and try and stir that pot. We are so proud of all the Covina boys, most of who we know personally. So your little shout out to mrs.pill was cute (at best) as I am sure it is a cheap ploy to get someone -- anyone to help you out here. You have lost the battle AND YOUR CREDIBILITY a long ago J.A. you talk too much BS about things people do not care to fact check. AND THAT IS A FACT.

REALITY CHICK - EVERYTHING HAS BEEN BACKED UP - JA JUST KEEPS SINGING THE SAME SONG, PLAYING THE SAME "CARD" AND THEN YOU CHIME IN -- LIKE THE LITTLE WIMP BEHIND THE ROPES -- YELLING -- YEAH YEAH - WHAT HE SAID. DITTO. STAND UP BE TALL, OWN YOUR OWN THOUGHT AND FOR CRYING OUT LOUD - JUMP ON ANOTHER TEAM. BE HONEST - YOU HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH B.A. NOW DO YOU? LIKE JOE AMAT'S CLOUDED OPINIONS AND THOUGHTS - JUST BECAUSE HE SAYS DOESN'T MEAN IT IS TRUE OF FACTUAL. BE A BIG BOY NOW AND GO OUT ON A LIMB -- HOW ABOUT THOSE DODGERS??? BY THE WAY - NOT YELLING JUST HAVE 'CAPS LOCKED' I KNOW THAT RILES UP JOE AMAT TOO - PROBABLY NOW IT IRKS YOU TOO RIGHT????

Rudy,

Obviously sarcasm is lost on you, so lets try again.

Once again here is some advise...You are quick to point out spelling errors, yet maybe you need to re-read your own posts prior to posting, oh, it's only a fair comparison when it pertains to the subject matter.

rudy, rudy, rudy-

There are only two high schools in the country that have had two Heisman winners (the other being Wilson HS in Dallas Texas- and their winner won the FIRST Heisman) so we're in pretty good company with other schools that don't have two winners. But I'd like you to take '90s advice and do some research. I'll wager on the # of Mater Dei Monarchs in the NFL vs the # of Lancers. Report back. And about recruiting...seriously? I'll educate you on the rules later, but answer the question from someone else below about the kids from Rosemead. Is that close to Queenside?

Now back to baseball. Interesting that you mention Pedroza at CSUF. Big fan of the Titans and especially that '04 team. Lotta local flavor with Pill, Sarver, Miller, Myrick (maybe more) and their First Baseman....P.J. PILITTERE. Guess where's he's from? You guessed it. And BTW-dominant? He had a higher the batting average, more RBIs, total bases-need, led the team in hitting in '03 too. (They say he's the heir apparent to Posada with the Yankees - they're a decent team, yes?) That same year Richie Burgos was the starting first baseman (while PJ caught & DHd) for the Titans-he's a Lancer too. THey were in the CWS the year before too - PJ was All Tournament He woulda been on the championship team, but got drafted and signed with Detroit. Should I go on. I only started with those two because they were close to your boy Pedroza. Do you still want to play? We can.

Watched every inning of the Championship series vs Texas. PJ played every inning. If I remember Pedroza was announced as pinch hitter and Texas switched pitchers so Brett Pill hit for Pedroza so Sergio never hit in the series. Pill got a run scoring triple and the Titans scored 3 to win it
(momma Pill if you're reading this - I saw his double off Weaver too- I hope the "goose bumps" just came back!:?)

Now, Rudy, National Champs! That's what matters, Pedroza's got a ring and an education...but dominant...with no at bats? Your question was,
"Has any Amat guys went to college lately and been dominant like these guys? (BTW, more good grammar. Weren't you the one that was corrceting spelling? Here's some help: "HAVE any Amat players GONE...")

You want to ask again?

John Huarte and Matt Leinart.
Paint textures- are you a guy or a chick? Tying shoes? who is the kid here?

brought up comparing programs because it was brought up by someone else about where the seniors are going and how it's no comparison between the programs blah blah blah.

Amat has good history, but what what few will from Amat will ever admit to is the how uneven the playing field is between them and the rest of the valley. You get to openly recruit and draw kids from all over Southern California. It's not even fair to compare. It's a fair argument to compare yourself with other private schools who have the same perks you do like Crespi, Orange Lutheran, Mater Dei, etc...

and what's your mission? yell, scream, and put down a school with nothing to back it up? seems to me you jump on the bandwagon and pile on quite a bit too

school is good-you must not have gone to either.I didn't write Harvard-I wrote Haverford-it was humor. but yes, Pomona is great

REALITY CHICK -- SHUT THE F UP....YOU HAVE GOT TO BE SOME PUNK 17YR. OLD. YOUR ONLY MISSION IS TO JUMP ON THE BA BANDWAGON - TO WHICH I AM SURE - YOU HAVE NO LEGIT ALLIANCE AND THEN YOU GRAB A HOLD OF JA'S NUTS AND TAKE A RIDE. FORM YOUR OWN OPINION AND BASE IT ON YOUR OWN FACTS --

Rudy, You pulled that one out of the hat. Leinart and who else?

Rudy,

I'm sorry, you are correct it is ADVICE (Note to self)....If I rememeber correctly it was you that tried to compare NV to Amat in baseball as far as history goes, so now you want to bring in Mater Dei football, why don't we just debate the differences between paint textures or better yet lets debate the correct way to tie ones shoes......get it DUMMY!!!

Amat 90,
You asked or suggested I'm a kid. Maybe I am, maybe I'm not, but I'll ask you this...Are you smarter than a 5th grader? Go back to your post, the word Advice is spelled A-d-v-i-c-e, not advise. Remember also, when you can pick up a phone and your school zone is Southern California, the comparison should be stop there. You want to compare Mater Dei Football and Bishop Amat football? Both private schools and both recruit, compare those. Mater Dei Heismans 2 Amat 0. Your turn.

Rudy,

You are most likely a young kid, so I'll just give you some advise.

Know the history of the school you are trying to compare (Amat) NV too. Look it up and you'll see what I mean.

A question never seems to get answered.

Joe A., find out for us. Is Amat going back to Glendora Tournament or not? Kids are saying no. Yes or No?

Just Curious:

Good question and I wish I had a good answer but the truth is the only Del Rey League games I saw this year were between St. Paul and Amat and the only non-Amat guys who really impressed me were Chico and Sanchez. Chico is a decent Soph SS who has some pop. Another guy who could play for anyone is Freshman Anthony Gonzales, his name will be in the paper a bunch before he is done.

If you are looking for a big booster of D5 BB, look somewhere else. I follow Amat because of tradition and friends. They are playing the hand the CIF dealt, I know of NOBODY associated with the school that is satisfied with playing ball in a lower D and that should be evident to anyone reviewing their non-league schedule, all D2, D3, D4, or state ranked opponents.

I can't help you with your distaste for the Lancer boostering, it is what it is. In the past, it's wearied me too as has crazy talk from other schools, and I do enjoy lighting up delusional fans. As far as this particular issue goes, one thing is clear to me: Bishop Amat has one of the best teams in SoCal. They played a great season and deserve all the awards and positive attention they get from it.

Flat Tire, (wont be nickname next time)

You back on here again? You really want to start this again? Ask yourself.

Glad you brought up Estrella and Urbina. How did they legally transfer to Northview when they never moved out of their homes in Rosemead. Maybe someone should investigate the coach of the year.

Joey

The math isn't complete.

Ranked it:

D5 CIF bracket COMPLETE against D4 CIF bracket COMPLETE.

Read slowly now!

Reality Czech, University of La Verne is a great school, however, Pomona College is known as the Harvard of the West Coast.

so your putting down Murakami as an academic scholarship to play at division 1 USF-but Williams to non-scholarship division 3 macalaster is an accomplishment? mistone signed his division 1 scholarship papers and Elias "probably" will go to UCSB? Rudy-are you sure that you want to play this game against the lancers.

One, Fox and Reyes are legit and can play and good luck to those kids. Two, Murakami is a academic scholarship to USF, not baseball, and Mistone is a man without a div. 1 future, where is he going to play at UCR? Be honest on that one.
Answer the question someone is Amat in the Glendora Tournament or not?

Northview seniors, Williams to McCallister Univ. to play ball, Elias to CSUSB, and Andrade to Mt. Sac. What's wrong with that? Next year, it could be NV's turn to have a few Div. 1 guys.

As for former players going places. Here's some Northview former players and where they went and are now...Sergio Pedroza, CSFullerton World Series Champion, Big West MVP, All American and 3rd Rounder for the Dodgers.
Hector Estrella- USC Graduate, All Pac 10, First Year Pro ball All Star last year with the Angels.
Jaime Pedroza- UCR captain of team that went to Omaha, first team all big west, 16 bombs his junior year, and first year all star in pro ball with the Dodgers. 9th rounder with the Dodgers.
Has Amat had any dominant players in college or pro ball last 5 years? NOOOO!

Northview has had others go on: Gilbert Urbina- Saint Mary's 4 year player at Div. 1. Danny Bonilla- 2 year player at Univ. of La Verne. Charles Brown- 4 year player at Bethany College in Kansas, including all conference.
Case closed? I don't know, but I think Northview has good former players around if you ask me. my boy played with these kids, they're tough.

Amat, we're the one team you're not going to intimidate or push around on the field or off. It's just the way it is. Stop trying.

Murakami to Univ of San Fran, come on , that's academic, not athletic scholarship and Mistone is done at UCR. Where is he going to play? Don't say 3b. Reyes and Fox, those guys are legit and good luck to them. NV Seniors: Williams to McCallister in Minnesota, Elias to CSUSB, and Andrade to Sac. Is that bad? Next year, it could be our turn to have a few Div. 1's.

You mentioned past players, so let's mention the Northview ones...Sergio Pedroza, Cal State Fullerton, World Series Champion, Big West MVP, All American and 3rd Round Pick.
Hector Estrella, 3 year starter at USC, All Pac 10, and made all star team first year in pro ball last year with the Angels.
Jaime Pedroza, UC RIverside. All Big West First Team, 16 bombs his junior year, captain of a UCR Team that went to Omaha, and also made all star team first year in pro ball with the Dodgers.
Charles Brown- Bethany College in Kansas, all conference and receives college degree.
Danny Bonilla- Univ. of La Verne, played ball for 2 seasons and got a degree.
Gilbert Urbina- 4 year player at Div. 1 Saint Mary's and got his degree last year.
Has any Amat guys went to college lately and been dominant like these guys?NO!!!
Not bad for little old Northview hah?

from the looks of it those Del Rey tourneys actually look tougher than the Northview, Claremont, Chino, and Apache tournaments that the VVL schools were in. I guess the other Del Rey schools don't duck anyone either. you can't expect Amat to carry the whole SGV - you should be expected to show some class too.

amat 73 - when you move back up to Div. I where you belong - if you should happen to WIN the CIF championship - I promise to you - I would congratulate the team and tell them NOW that was well-deserved. But you were close on SOME of your answers that people were looking to hear. Now don't get all postal and disgruntled on us - keep it clean and show the class that you Amat people are supposed to have at all times. Shall I quote the famous Lou Holtz???

THAT IS BS where you say all those Amat guys are going and you know it.

wow joe amat - as i suspected - how 'impressive' all the other del rey teams were. really YOU are going to continue to waste our time fighting your losing battle?? hammer on mr. you have proven my theory again -LITTLE MAN. REALLY - how much time do you waste a day with all your "supposed" information? Amat has got to find more for you to do to earn your keep - at the very least - learn a new song.

Wonder if Winterburn has any more Amat recruits on the way.........

probably? I think bottom line was talking division 1 but macalaster is a great non-scholarship division 3 school - not so good in sports, but hey - its college. along those same lines Amat has Munoz, Diaz, Contreras, and Hattabaugh playing at University of La Verne which is the Haverford of the west.

Bottomline,
That is an uncomplete list for Bishop Amat. Where are the other seniors going?

Wow bottom line to answer your ques about the NV kids, Elias is probably going to sign with CSUSB and williams is going to Macalester College in St Paul, MN which for your information is regarded as a Harvard of the Midwest. Nothing against Fox's 4.3 but Williams had a 4.6 and that is the bottom line

St Paul won their own tournament beating Oaks Christian, Westlake, Whittier, and La Serna. They were also in the historic El Segundo Tournament going 2-2, beating Oak Park and Crenshaw who had a great year in the City Section and losing to Torrance and the host school (still coached by legendary 73 year old John Stevenson, who was George & Ken Brett's HS coach at El Segundo. Stevenson has been their 49 years and won over 1000 HS games.- a little tradition there.)

Bishop Montgomery was also in the El Segundo tournament beating #25 in California Palos Verdes, Carson, and North Torrance while losing to Long Beach Poly and Torrance. They then won the consolation championship of the St Paul tournament along the way beating Del Oro from NoCal, who was the CIF D2 runner-up in the San-Joaquin Section.

La Salle played in the Arcadia tournament and went 4-1 beating decent teams like Monrovia, South Pas, and Hoover-losing in the semis to St Francis. Then participated a very good tournament in Vegas and played 3 teams from there beating #25 in Nevada Rancho HS and #11 Coronado HS while losing to Jordan HS, Utah's #17 ranked team.

...and St Monica's is certainly nothing to talk about here.

SORRY-- MAYBE MY POST SHOULD HAVE BEEN FOR 'BOTTOM LINE' AND not amat73, but the comments goes for all the amat people.

amat73 -- I will give you this and will say it a million times -- AMAT DOES AND SHOULD SEND MORE KIDS ONTO COLLEGE.... That is YOUR single, greatest fight - like Joe Amat suggests about the SCOREBOARD incident -- stick to that fact and you have me there.

Don - Outside of Amat - can you from the top of your head NAME 5 STUDS from the DelRey and will YOU please give us a break down of every other team in the Del Rey DIVISION 5, who beat who?? What SIGNIFICANT TOURNAMENTS they played in, Who stood out amongst all of those teams? Who were the STUDS of that league?? and then let's talk more about the Del Rey -- Amat excluded... Just about anyone with baseball history knows all the players you mentioned (Pill, Ponzo, Droscall and a few other Covina guys..)and the NV kids as well -- am I right??

My post was more directed at a body of work that has accumulated here since early May, much of it generated by Viking fans, than only this thread although there is some Northview negs going on here too.

Which brings me to the Valle Vista League, (hang in there a second while I get into my Nomex, flame retardant jumpsuit), OK ... overall the V V L is not that red hot. You've got your Northview, which had a great season and includes a herd of very gifted players, (most importantly, more pitching than any HS should be entitled to ;)), and San Dimas who had a solid core of offense and pitching, both better by a fair margin than Covina.

After that, let's face it, the Colts were a pretty average team who were lucky enough to have Tyler Pill playing for them, but there is only so much one kid can do, (yeah, there were a couple more decent players on the team, but nothing like SD or Northview). After that comes Baldwin Park which is kinda like Covina would have been without Pill and Valenzuela, and then Pomona and Ganesha.

Sorry, but not exactly the Moore or Foothill League in my book, (or the Century, Empire, or even the Miramonte for that matter).

Fox- UC Irvine
Reyes- UC Irvine
Mistone- UC Riverside
Murakami- U of San Francisco

Elias-?
Andrade-?
Williams-?

Where are the seniors from Northview going?

Olivares- UC Irvine
Eusebio- Loyola Marymount

Rodriguez-Citrus
Davis- Citrus

Goetz- UC Riverside
Sifuentes- Pepperdine
Forthun- Columbia

Case closed

If the stats are questionable, here's the link...question MaxPreps. It's pretty easy...15 minutes while multi-tasking is all it took.
http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/StateRankings.mxp/Boys_Varsity_Baseball_Spring_07-08/California

You know, the more you look at the numbers the crazier it is to have people downplay and insult the other teams in D5 "pool" and then even try to compare them, not to mention the entire schedule. Then when I answer to someone who tries to compare St Paul to Baldwin Park - I'm defending St Paul - not Amat (wow NEVER thought I'd say that!). Looking at the two champions schedules side by side is really quite surprising, as far as MaxPreps rankings are concerned

#8 in Tennesee Christian Bros /Bishop Amat - 15
#13 in Florida Jupiter /Alta Loma -60
#3 in DC St Johns /Bonita- 62 (x2)
#5 in Oregon West Linn /Savanna - 94
Northview-9 /Mayfair - 131 (x2)
Chatsworth - 14 /Diamond Ranch -132 (x2)
Damien-87 (x2) /San Dimas-161(x3)
St Paul-110 (x4) /Covina -211 (x3)
Loyola-114 /University- 271
Glendora-109 /Norte Vista 299
Bishop Montgomery-208(x4) /Monrovia - 338
Charter Oak-219 /Beverly Hills 467
St Francis-252 (x2) / Duarte -494
La Salle -294 (x3) /Baldwin Park -508 (x3)
Colony - 416 / Pomona -682 (x3)
San Marino -328 /Ganesha -757 (x3)
La Puente -365
Calvary chapel -562
St Monica-645 (x3)

Bottom line - Don is right...a championship is a championship and as Fred said the day after - "there is not the huge gap most people seem to think it is." And "maybe", just maybe (after looking at the DRL vs the VVL)...the gap is in the other direction. Just askin'? Now waitin' for those answers.

to all concerned,
No we do not belong in D-5.We always schedule the weakest teams we can find. We are in one of the weakest leagues around.We never get asked to play in any prestigious tournaments. Only win CIF championships because we are in lower divisions . I hope that settles it once and for all.To Joe and 90 I think those are the answers they are looking to see.

VVL Fan,

You know as well as I, that Amat gets called out on this blog each and every day.

When more than one poster comes here just to say Amat Sucks, how do you expect the Amat fans to react. A question was posed and answered and when the answer was given along with the supporting facts all of a sudden JA was disrespecting all other baseball programs not named Amat, you yourself did your best to make it seem like JA was calling out all other programs.

Fact are facts, and if one can not face them, then one should not ask the question.

vvl fan-read the post below and it compares other teams and who they played. the numbers are pretty amazing, when you think about it and how the d5 schools are ranked ahead of the vvl schools. i guess you could end it by naming one or any of those very fine schools you mention that played a tougher schedule. and i don't see any of the posts as a ba v. nv thing - more a del rey/d5 vs vvl/sgv thing

Sorry Don but this has nothing to do with Northview actually. When Joe Amat asks us to name ONE school or ANY school that has had a tougher schedule than BA - HE insults every FINE program that also prides themselves on playing tough teams. You see he really believes Amat is the only team that challenged themselves to a "tough" program" and I am sure in part to over-compensate for their being in a Division 5 pool, and NO DISRESPECT to those other teams in that division BUT only that there is NO way Amat should be there. Then JA comes and bores us with questionable stats - like who is going to care enough to check anyways - about how good the teams are THAT ONLY THEY PLAYED. Be fair here -- if you read all the other posts this is NOT a NV vs. Amat thing. We are actually partial to the VVL but not for the obvious reasons.. Please don't buy into Joe Amat's "victim" playing - I only came here to defend BA. While undermining every other program he feels like - you are not quite that innocent Joe Amat.

BJ (and others with obscure nicknames that make it impossible to figure out which poster we are answering),

You really have to read the whole thread to follow a discussion. If someone asks about a game (like D1 vs D5 - I'll answer it). When someone asks about games outside of the division (which would preclude league and playoffs) I'll answer it. But you can't ask a question and get ticked at the answer if it doesn't suit your needs. My mom used to say, "don't sit by the pool if you don't want to get wet."! Interesting that one of you asked for a one word answer...and then asked 3 more questions.

The thing is, you don't really want to know the answer, but since you force me. Sometimes I feel like my buddy Michael Corleone, when he says, "...every time I try to get out..."

So here goes and I'll even include some comparisons for you (and thanks...it gave me something to do during a pretty uneventful conference call):

Damien-87 (x2)
St Paul-110 (x4)
Loyola-114
Glendora-109
Bishop Montgomery-208(x4)
Charter Oak-219
St Francis-252 (x2)
La Salle -294 (x3)
Colony - 416
San Marino 328
La Puente 365
Calvary chapel 562
St Monica-645 (x3)

and just for comparisons sake, lets put up some opponents of another very worthy CIF Champion

Alta Loma 60
Bonita- 62 (x2)
Savanna - 94
Mayfair - 131 (x2)
Diamond Ranch 132
San Dimas 161(x3)
Covina 211 (x3)
University- 271
Norte Vista 299
Monrovia - 338
Beverly Hills 467
Duarte 494
Baldwin Park 508 (x3)
Pomona 682 (x3)
Ganesha 757 (x3)

You do the math.

I do find it interesting that with all of your discussion, we come to find out that the 2nd place team in the Del Rey at 110, is ranked higher than the 2nd place team in the VVL. And the 3rd place team in the DR is ranked ahead of the 3rd place team in the VVL. The 4th place team is ranked TWO HUNDRED spots higher than the VVL 4th place team - and we won't even talk about Pomona and Ganesha. And the team that Amat faced in the D5 CIF Final is ranked higher than the opponent in the D4 final. Interesting, isn't it?

And this is just ME right? I'm all alone on this one? You can find "a hundred people" to back you up? Well my teachers used to tell me that is why there is a 90th percentile. You still want to compare schedules and leagues?

Sorry...you asked...and I TOLD you - you didn't want to know the answer.

Thanks '90 for jumping on board. No one has yet answered the question-even though it's only "11 games" who *chose* to play 11 games that were any tougher than those 11 games. And EVERYONE knew the entrants to the Tournament in question - there was no such thing as an "easy draw". No Duartes or Universities in the bunch.

You see, again, the battles you CHOOSE says far more about you than the battles that are forced upon you.

NO

What I have trouble with is the continuing defensiveness of some of the Northview fans. Hey, you guys had a great season, your team has some terrific players, and nobody seems to be questioning that. Coming on the blog and ripping another player or questioning the worthiness of a totally subjective award is pointless.

Unless, of course, you feel that you still have something to prove.

Personally, I would just let the season and the Division Title stand on there own and enjoy it. Bashing a kid or another team makes you look weak.

y.a.p.a.b.u.A,

Here I'll go slow, try to follow along....

1. I have never said that there is no other team that has faced tough competition outside of their respective leagues. The question was, ONCE AGAIN TRY TO FOLLOW ALONG, "name one team that has played as MANY quality opponents outside of league as Amat has played".

2. I have never insulted any other baseball program.

3. The leg I stand on is CIF!

4. You are the one who insists on bringing up the National Classic Tournament. If you re-read the list includes 6 other teams.

5. If you believe that these coaches have no idea of which teams are playing in which tournaments, well than you are the ignorant one.

There, you see ANSWERS!!!

Well I knew JA couldn't do it in ONE answer and now Amat90 has joined in. ONE ANSWER -- NOTHING AFTER IT.
Do you really think FRICKEN B.A. is the ONLY SCHOOL that has faced anybody tough outside of their schedule??? REALLY -- DO YOU BELIEVE THAT??? If so, you are more ignorant thAn any of us can even try to explain!! YOU INSULT EVERY SINGLE BASEBALL PROGRAM OUT THERE. Most of know NOT to bore everyone with STUPID, IRRELEVANT FACTS ABOUT WHO CAN BEAT WHO AND WHY AMAT WHO WENT 2-2 IN A BIG tourney IS SOOO MUCH BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER BABSEBALL PROGRAM. EVERY OTHER BASEBALL PROGRAM OUT????? Come on be realistic. Just because you have no leg to stand out about being in Division 5 -- find a new song or (as you tell everyone) FIND NEW MATERIAL about who you "choose" to play. You choose a tournament - and you have no idea who you will play in that tournament.. You might get lucky and you might draw the tougher route -- no telling.

Well I knew JA couldn't do it in ONE answer and now Amat90 has joined in. ONE ANSWER -- NOTHING AFTER IT.
Do you really think FRICKEN B.A. is the ONLY SCHOOL that has faced anybody tough outside of their schedule??? REALLY -- DO YOU BELIEVE THAT??? If so, you are more ignorant thAn any of us can even try to explain!! YOU INSULT EVERY SINGLE BASEBALL PROGRAM OUT THERE. Most of know NOT to bore everyone with STUPID, IRRELEVANT FACTS ABOUT WHO CAN BEAT WHO AND WHY AMAT WHO WENT 2-2 IN A BIG tourney IS SOOO MUCH BETTER THAN EVERY OTHER BABSEBALL PROGRAM. EVERY OTHER BASEBALL PROGRAM OUT????? Come on be realistic. Just because you have no leg to stand out about being in Division 5 -- find a new song or (as you tell everyone) FIND NEW MATERIAL about who you "choose" to play. You choose a tournament - and you have no idea who you will play in that tournament.. You might get lucky and you might draw the tougher route -- no telling.

I can't answer for JA, but my answer is "NO" Amat does not belong in D5.

But, as I have already stated - no answers just name calling and heres the kicker you ask for a one word answer after you gave a long winded reply, without ever giving an answer to the original question (Remember; name one school that played as many quality opponents outside of league as Amat played).

joe amat -- you HAVE GOT to be A SHORT DUDE. You have the classic Napolean syndrome. You really must be over-compensating for other areas. We won't get into that though - too personal.You answer NOBODY'S questions yet you get ONE strong point and that is all you want to discuss. Really - was your whole season based on THAT tournament, the one none of us care to challenge or trust your stats. You know the BIG tourney where you continually brag about going 2-2. Well here is my guess - the other teams read they were playing a DIVISION 5 team and just "rested" their key players, brought up a few from JV. YOU KNOW THE USUAL SPRING BREAK tournanment. Maybe not, but I don't really care. your only fight is the one no one cares to dispute so again --BE HAPPY WITH A 2-2 RECORD. I would like to pose a challenge -- can you answer with just ONE WORD, and absolutely nothing to follow - nothing!!!! DOES BISHOP AMAT BELONG IN DIVISION 5??? YES OR NO ONLY!!!! I know they didn't ask but you and I both know, there is a little more to it then that. right? REMEMBER -- JUST A YES OR NO

Ok Joey, you played 11 competitive/Quality games this year! Wow, that's impressive and the other 20 how do they rank?

Now finish the math and put up the final rankings of the remaining 20. I think we'll be even more impressed.

Playing by the rules yet? Or are we just following Joe rules and 11 games.

What no answers!!!!!

All that keeps being said here is that Amat baseball is a lowly D5 team and lots of name calling, yet when an actual and intelligent question is posed no answers.

Wonder why that is????

Joe Amat asked, name one school, just one that played as many quality opponents outside of league like Amat played.....yet no answers, just name calling....NOW, DO YOU GET IT!!!

Game one opener next year will be Amat vs. Northview in the Glendora Tournament you think? This year had C. Oak and Amat playing.

That's because some knuckleheads keep asking the same questiosn....asked and answered.
you're welcome.

BJ,

The Chatsworth comment was a DIRECT answer to a DIRECT question:
"...DIVISION 5 CHAMPS vs. DIVISION 1 CHAMPS -- who is better..."

so we were better...that day. just like NV was better than Amat...that day. and that 's all that really matters in sports. who is better....that day.

and because you asked on the schedule were:
#14 D1 Chatsworth
D2 Damien twice
D2 Glendora
D2 Loyola
D4 Charter Oak
#9 D4 Northview
and
#8 in Tennesee Christian Bros
#13 in Florida Jupiter
#3 in DC St Johns
#5 in Oregon West Linn

now can YOU name ONE other school that played that many quality games outside of league?
I'll save you the time... no, you can't. Because there weren't any.

im also curious where are the northview seniors going to college?

is it possible joe amat has Alzheimer's? he keeps repeating the same crap over and over again

Joe Amat

Playing Chatsworth in one game doesn't prove squat.

How many high level games did Amat really play this year? How many teams were rated in the D5 CIF bracket? Get real the comp was weak at best and your league was worst.

Now go back to Football where you might be able to brag this year.. We'll see how you do in Pac-5.

I know, step up, we'll we did and beat your little a--.

Same story Joey, just a different day!

Next?

joe amat your pink dress came in today. where in the hood should i send it?

hey joe amat - blogger above is right - man you are full of it. come up to div I and play with the big boys. play with some kids everyone knows and they we'll see just how true your stats are. really, you base everything on your damn outting in the national tourn. dude - your team was 2-2, but like your div IV wins, be happy and satisfied with that record. wannabe winners

JA, geez another snoozer... your arguments are weak at best and you are just one of those types that will not face reality. To you -- LEAGUE is the only thing that matters in your DIVISION 1 FOOTBALL, yet in baseball's DIVISION 5, it isn't who CIF forces you to play yet who YOU CHOOSE TO PLAY. Do you get what we mean now about talking in cirles, try and spin it however you want, whatever makes you sleep better..YOUR DIVISION IS NOT NEARLY AS STRONG, OR AS POWERFUL AS YOU THINK - TALK ABOUT DELUSIONAL. I make no bones about Pomona or Ganesa (and that is just a sad, sad, scene there) but to talk such BS about your bottom 3. DELUSIONAL FITS YOU TO A T -- AND I CAN GET 100 PEOPLE HERE TO BACK ME UP. You lose so much of your credibility with all the hot air and ridiculous stats about who can beat who. AGAIN -- DIVISION 5 CHAMPS vs. DIVISION 1 CHAMPS -- who is better and who plays better teams?? DIVISION 1.....PERIOD...FACTUAL AND END OF STORY..

Guys get over yourselves the years over stop comparing teams.. These kids are all moving on with there lives aparently unlike you..

c'mon

Wait! VVL bottom three? So what you're saying is Ganesha and St Monicas are equal? Doubt it, but you can debate that if you want. La Salle and Pomona? Are you serious or just trying to be argumentative? Pomona would NEVER beat some of the teams that La Salle did. EVER! Baldwin Park? Really? They had 2 wins all year against teams that aren't named Ganesha or Pomona. Bishop Montgomery beat the freakin' #24 team IN THE STATE. BP could play them 20 times and not come close. You are absolutely delusional. Plus you didn't answer my question. And it should be an easy one. Name 3 wins that your 3rd place team had that were as good as La Serna, Mayfair, or Westlake, who St Paul beat.

See the season must be treated as a whole, not just league. The VVL league makeup has become a bit different since CIF removed South Hills and Bonita and replaced them with Pomona and Ganesha - true? So you do what CIF tells you to do and make up for that with the teams you *choose* to play. Plus the Del Rey has one fewer team, so we replaced that team with Chatsworth and St Francis. Damien and Loyola. You choose. Either way a heck of a lot better than anybody's second place team.

So divisions don't matter IF you are willing to step up during those OTHER games and play a tough schedule. If you don't - no room to talk. That's evidenced across the country by schools in lower divisions having nationally ranked teams and players. Whether it's Oaks Christian in football or Miami Westminster Christian in baseball (heard of this guy Alex Rodriguez?) it's not the league or the division- it's the team and the players. And THAT is completely consistent with what I say whether it is DI football or D5 baseball.

I'm proud of both - because the school backs down from no one - regardless of division. Whoever you support, look at the games that you *choose* to play, not forced to play, and then decide who has to "man-up" as you say.

GREAT JOB Coach Murphy and congrats to the NV baseball team. Best of luck to the graduating seniors and continued success to all the returning players. We had a blast following them this year and were blown away by their constant fan support. hat a great, complete, balanced team. Again, great job done by Coach Murphy.

wow - poor amat jumps up one whole division. that is even more of a slap in the face from c.i.f. why is there even a question where they belong. they are a division one team and only a division one team. hey c.i.f. try and get it right next year.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...joe amat -
Just because YOU type it, doesn't mean it is the gospel. You will get MANY who disagree about the "talent" in your league. Your bottom 3 are pretty equal to the VVL bottom 3, whether you believe it or not and sure ANY team can beat ANY OTHER team on a given day -WE GET THAT so PLEASE QUIT with your theory of Team A beat Team C, so Team B "in theory" could beat Team A but lose to Team C. DO YOU NOT SEE HOW BORING THAT ALL IS?? Really - there are others that maybe even know more than you... St. Paul and BP would put up a good battle. As I said earlier - BP was not nearly as bad as their record but YOU wouldn't know that now would you?
I won't get into putting down Fox, as he seems to be pretty damn good,and i wish him all the best.
I will challenge YOU any day about Amat being in Division 5 Baseball.. It's funny how you strut with a little more pride when discussing being a DIVISION 1 football team --WAIT I GET IT -- ALL THIS HOT AIR IS JUST A FALSE BRAVADO YOU OWN, WHEN DISCUSSING THE PRIDE OF BEING DIVISION 5 CHAMPS. it all makes sense now.

Don't forget, next year Amat and Northview are in the same division.

unlike the little local public school where everybody can walk to school for free,families choose to drive for miles and pay tuition to go there-regardless of location. just like loyola, mater dei, and other private schools in much worse areas most families don't live there.

How can anyone say anything bad about Jordan Fox. The kid can hit any one he faces. He works his butt off everyday on the field and in the classroom. Along with his .536 batting average he carries a 4.3 grade point average.

i am curious not to mess with people but seriously. where are the northview seniors going? i am curious so i can maybe go watch them at the next level

someone get joe amat that pink dress for amat boys team winning the div 5 WOMEN'S title. XXXL there joey??

joe amat
I would come over your house to watch espn but since your an amat fan and live in the Hood of LP I would need a bullet proof vest and major security just to get out alive. Not worth it grandps

C'mon,

It's called a baseball *season* and has to be judged in its entirety. Who *really* cares about "league"? Win it-sure, but you gotta have your sights on something bigger than "league". Don't you? League is just some arbitrary thing that CIF puts together to suit their purpose. At least that's what they do to the private schools by moving them around. And really wouldn't have it any other way. It was special playing against guys that I didn't play against all year long that may have lived the next block over. Get outta your little fishbowl of the SGV and see some different competition.

No-name team in the finals? Like Diamond Ranch was in the Times top 25 all year? Win their league? Or second? So don't discuss championship game opponents. Playoff opponents? ...and Norte Viste and Beverly Hills are real juggernauts?

And because Amat scored some runs and didn't have those "close games" to "man-up" during...Fox gets penalized? Now props to NV for all their extra inning squeakers, but I'd sure as heck feel better winning 11-5 and not sweating it. I sure as heck know that he didn't get to jack up stats against CIF "powers" like Baldwin Park, Ganesha, and Pomona. How much does one have to "man-up" against those guys?

We've gone down this league road before, but of you insist. St Paul sure had enough in the tank to beat Mayfair-one of NVs losses-and La Serna who ended Crespi's season, and Westlake, who beat D1 champion Simi Valley. So you can't discount them - unless you simply refuse to face reality. Bishop Montgomery had enough talent to beat #24 in the state Palos Verdes, and swept Alemeny a week before they beat South Hills. La Salle must be more than decent to beat Monrovia, who handed NV another one of their defeats and I'd certainly take them in a two out of thee against any SGV leagues 2nd to last place team.

So really, working from the bottom up: Ganesha or St Monicas - ugly but St Mo's for sure. La Salle vs Pomona? La Salle without question. Bishop Montgomery against Baldwin Park? Did you see Montgomery? or BP? Montgomery is far better. 2 out of 3 maybe BP sneaks one like they did against San Dimas. But even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then. So that brings us to St Paul vs Covina. Pill on the hIll - I'm going with the Colts - if they can score. But did the Colts beat anyone as good as Mayfair, La Serna, or Westlake? Maybe Monrovia, or San Dimas - but their loss to BP may say way more about them than anything else.

So yeah, Knucklehead, that's substantial... and that's a fact. Like it or not.

Any truth to the rumor that Amat is not going to the Glendora Tournament next year? Kids from Amat are saying they're in the Redondo Tournament? It's well known that Amat and Northview were going to hook up opening night next year, but I guess that won't happen now...hmm?

MR. AMAT - WHAT YOU ONCE AGAIN FAIL TO ACKNOWLEDGE - NV DIDN'T BASE THEIR WHOLE SEASON ON BEATING AMAT. AS YOU MENTIONED THAT GAME WAS IN MARCH - LONG GONE. A GREAT WIN - BUT LONG GONE. YES WE BEAT AMAT - JUST ONE OF MANY MEMORABLE VICTORIES BUT IT WASN'T THE END ALL-BE ALL. AND YES I GUESS BECAUSE I USE CAPS IT MAKES ME FEEL BETTER -- SORRY IT GETS YOU ALL RILED UP. REALLY - THAT WORKS ON YOUR NERVES DOESN'T IT?? NOW WHO IS EASILY RILED UP OR WORKED OVER? YOU ARE SUCH AN EASY TARGET. now good night i have a big day tomorrow, maybe you can fill your days with something more fulfilling then boring old, questionable facts.

Mr Caps,
No need to yell. I agree with that..and have said that NV deserved to be ranked higher since early March. Scoreboard...remember. I do. Good facts checking...;props.

Sucks to try to prove a point to someone that agrees with you. Sorry that got you riled a bit, but if it woke you up ...I guess that's a good thing. Feel good?

joe amat -- do YOU listen to what anybody else writes -- name us the tough competition in league.. IN LEAGUE..
That is the only thing MOST of us are questioning. WHEN THE CHIPS WERE DOWN, WHEN THE GAME WAS CLOSE, WHEN SOMEONE HAD TO MAN-UP, WHEN YOU PLAYED IN A CIF CHAMPIONSHIP GAME AGAINST AN UNKNOWN TEAM -- exactly our point -- FOX AND AMAT FACED NOBODY AT LEAST NOT SUBSTANTIAL -- IS THAT NOT A FACT??? IN LEAGUE KNUCKLEHEAD.
Dang YOU frustrate the he** out of just about everybody and NO not because of your facts...BECAUSE YOU BLOW A BUNCH OF HOT AIR.
Can all the coaches of Pill, Droscall, Andrade,Ponzo and Elias supply us with FACTS about every game they played in, every hit they got, every strike-out, every walk, every error on their respective teams and please by whom - lets see what else?? jOE aMAT -- do you GET IT yet????

AND MAX PREPS RANKED NORTHVIEW #7 AND BISHOP #15 -- OVER ALL, END OF THE YEAR, FACTUAL RESULTS. FACT IS NORTHVIEW WAS/IS RANKED HIGHER THAN BISHOP AMAT. STICK THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE JOE AMAT. END OF STORY. PERIOD. #7 VS. YOUR #15

First, let me say congratulations to Andrade (who, immediately after their championship, I called the "heart and soul of the Vikings and my vote for POY") and Murphy - also my choice for COY. However I did also say I thought Fox was the best hitter and Tommy Reyes may the best player.

But you guys kill me in questioning the pitching Fox faced or "plate appearances against quality teams". Please! Then you have the nerve to ask "what if he faced Pill, Pedroza, Droscall, Ponzo, Elias or Andrade??? Seriously?!? And the audacity to say not to mention some silly *National Tournament* "that we can't check on!"

Say what you want, but Foxy went 3/3 vs West Linn and they were the 5th best team in the state of Oregon. They play some decent baseball up there. Heard of Oregon State - back-to-back NCAA Champs?
But maybe you can check Jack Armstrong from Jupiter when he pitches for Vanderbilt on his DI scholarship. They'll be on ESPN next year. If you don't have cable - come on over. Also drafted by Texas - but passed this time. Fox was 2/3 against him. Or maybe LJ Hoes from St Johns who was offered at North Carolina. He'd be easy to check on..they were just in the College World Series semis - so they "probably " sign some decent players...'ya think? But instead the guy went and signed with the Baltimore Orioles (probably as an outfielder - he can rake!) after getting drafted in the THIRD round - half-milllion $$$ bonus. Fox was 3/3 that game....and you *seriously* want to compare Ponzo or Droscall to those guys. Even Elias or Andrade? No offense, but Nationally ranked Colleges and Major League teams are not knocking down their door yet - are they? Pedroza? 'cmon!

Then Fox was 2/4 against Charter Oak, 3/4 vs Glendora, 1/2 (2 HBP) vs Northview, 3/7 vs Damien, 4/8 vs St Francis, 2/4 vs Loyola and 2/4 against Chatsworth. Did *anybody* face a non-league schedule like that?

Remember, Maxpreps ranked Amats strength of schedule a 7.5 and Northviews a 6.6 - not to put down NV's schedule - just to compare....since that's what you all seem to want to do.

It's all about Queenside baby!!!! Great year Murph!

It's all about Queeside baby!!!! Great year Murph!

complete man -- what an ass, no one said anything about jordan vs. marc but now that you mention it -- the award wasn't for, who is most likely to go to college -- that is a whole nother Dr.phil show. The criticism as always is about Amat is a laughable division 5, for AMAT being in a Div.5. DO NOT EVEN THINK ABOUT CRITICIZING MARC ANDRADE. or trying to pit the two kids against each other or the amat people to join in. You little whiner. Class act again Amat.

fox is the complete person. he is a great athlete and also a great student. as he said in his interview he was looking for a college based on academics more then baseball program. dont talk bad about jordan northview people. not docking andrade but exactly where is he going? if he was the complete person he would be going somewhere

way to go Murphy. bellbrock is represented well. so cool man

way to go Murphy. bellbrock is represented well. so cool man

Well that is good to know - I did see Fox at the All-Star game, but again a tough game to judge - so loose and kind of care-free.. We outsiders wil just never know considering the level of competition in Div 5. He should be fine at UCI.

It is apparent UC Irvine felt strongly enough about his ability. He has seen tough pitching in Connie Mack the couple few seasons in Blair league. The league attracts top pitchers from a large area.

Just out of curiosity where is everyone going that graduate and who is recruiting the others? Where are they all playing this summer too? Would like o check them out.

Pitcher: Aaron Elias, Northview, Sr.
Pitcher: Paul Paez, Bishop Amat, So.
Catcher: Robert Williams, Northview, Sr.
Infielder: Tommy Reyes, Bishop Amat, Sr. UC Irvine
Infielder: Christian Ibarra, South Hills, So.
Infielder: Jiovanni Mier, Bonita, Jr.
Infielder: Andrew Mistone, Bishop Amat, Sr. UC Riverside
Outfielder: Tyler Pill, Covina, Sr., Fullerton
Outfielder: Danny Pertusati, Damien, Sr. Signed
Outfielder: Michael Edwards, Glendora, Sr.
Utility: Chris Drossel, San Dimas, Sr.

Pitcher: Nico Calderaro, Bonita, Jr.
Pitcher: Eddie Pedroza, Northview, So.
Catcher: Jake Bailey, Charter Oak, Jr
Infielder: Jordan Leyland, San Dimas, Sr.
Infielder: Rich Pedroza, Northview, Jr.
Infielder: Nick Greene, Diamond Ranch, Sr.
Infielder: Darren Dworak, Damien, Sr.
Outfielder: Keith Murakami, Bishop Amat, Sr. USF
Outfielder: Danny Roddy, South Hills, Sr.
Outfielder: Brett Bennett, Bonita, Sr.
Utility: Brady Zuniga, Bishop Amat, Jr.

Popular,

I have to disagree! Fox has proven time and again that he will hit any pitcher that is on the mound, whether the kid throws 98 or 78mph, he hits the better pitchers as hard if not harder than the average pitchers. I attended just about every game Amat played over the past 2 seasons and can tell you this kid is the real deal. When Fox does hit out it is almost always a lined shot that just happens to be at someone and he virtually never strikes out, and has one of the best gloves I have ever seen. Like I have already said, Fox is the real deal!

Yes Amat fans, please tell us what pitching was equivalent to Pill, Pedroza, Droscall, Ponzo, Elias or Andrade??? And yesssss we know Fox faced a few of them - but in season play, when clutch hits were needed, WHEN did Fox have the oppurtunity to realy shine and face a challenge?? Was it in the CIF FINAL, against a team you played 3x's?? WHAT A JOKE. Mr. Amat - please don't list a page of pitchers from the National tourney, that no one can validate, let's keep it simple and just talk about league.

I am postive about this and most would agree altho Fox seems to be a good hitter those numbers really fall off the charts if he faced D1 pitching in his baseball seasons. Not a tirade or Knock on Jordan just plate appearances against top quality teams and pitchers game to game makes a big differance in batting avg. numbers. I am sure Fox has the knack for hitting a baseball but he did not face but in one tournament good pitching. I wish him luck but the college game will bring a new meaning to hitting when he faces it. He either steps it up or become normal by college baseball standards. I wish him the best altogether tho. He does need that size too.

We are so proud of Northview's success. What a year Marc had!! There was so much focus on his clutch pitching but just as impressive or even more impressive(and quite undetected) was his success at the plate. I cannot believe how close his numbers were to Fox's numbers AND then to top it off Marc did what he did on the mound as well. What a COMPLETE player. Coach Murphy had great things to say about Marc and that is nice to hear from a Coach. (Congrats to Murph as well) I agree with covinabball - Fox really seems like a nice, HUMBLE kid. Congrats and Good Luck to him as well.

We are so proud of Northview's success. What a year Marc had!! There was so much focus on his clutch pitching but just as impressive or even more impressive(and quite undetected) was his success at the plate. I cannot believe how close his numbers were to Fox's numbers AND then to top it off Marc did what he did on the mound as well. What a COMPLETE player. Coach Murphy had great things to say about Marc and that is nice to hear from a Coach. (Congrats to Murph as well) I agree with covinabball - Fox really seems like a nice, HUMBLE kid. Congrats and Good Luck to him as well.

Popularity,

Why would you choose to make Fox the object of your tirde? This kid is one of the best pure hitters in the SGV, I have had the pleasure of watching him hit against some of the best pitching in the country, yes I said the country and he will have no problems adjusting to the pitching at the college level. BTW where exactly is Buffington going to school? not being sarcastic just asking.

Good interview with Jordan Fox. Seems like a nice, humble kid - great to see that. Good luck to him at UCI.

Buffington was tough to leave off, probably the toughest choice. But it was a tough pitching pool

Tyler Buffington..Player of the year for the San Antonio and he is not on the list. ?? What is that saying there?. The San Antonio is nor deserving to have another player on that list other then Ibarra?. Will Fox be able to hit College pitching is what we will see in the near future. HS is one thing college is a whole different animal. Valenzuela is good but he is no where next to the studs that are there on that list, he is overweight and cannot move on the basepaths. Def. not a all around BIG time player. Where is Victor going to play his college ball at? Is he even in the mix of recruitment?

Greeney,

All of these guys that made the list had as good or better stats outside of league and playoffs in tournaments and non-league games that were BY FAR and WITHOUT QUESTION the most difficult of any SGV school.

And as far as league goes, you don't think that they'd rack up some stats against schools like Ganesha, Pomona, Baldwin Park, Wilson, Los Altos, West Covina, Nogales, and Walnut - like every other kid on the list had a chance to go up against?

Make it over who? It's easy to say someone should make it, but don't say the ones listed aren't deserving

How the hell does victor valenzula not make this list.. Hit 4 somthing with I think 34 rbis and made countless digs and big plays.. He was the centerpeice of his lineup there at covina and deserves to be first team let alone not even make 2nd team?? Common now

Congratulations to our boys! We're so proud of all of you!
and Coach Murphy! you deserve it!

Where are the video interviews?

Let's see how many Amat players make this list if they competed in a division that really belonged in. D5 for a school that can basically recruit? What's wrong with this picture?

How about some stats for first teamers, or are the coaches still guarding them from the next opponent?

It's pretty apparent that Drosell was the lead pitcher for San Dimas.

Ponzo plate numbers were extremely weak compared to last year.

You could try and make a case for Lively over Ponzo but his hitting was poor also.

Doubtful that either one is better than the list above.

where's Ponzo?