amat 89,

from what i have been reading from your previous comments the last several days you probably have some kind of relationship with this bowden kid from south hills and you are correct but do not let me be the one to tell you so that sgv scouting’s previous no comments about the middle linebacker is wrong and worth mentioning because every other senior that has started for three years is getting recruited and talked about including their underclassman but him and if you understood the truth about how the huskies felt about him i think you should consider bringing that up to him and then maybe transfer somewhere like us at west covina because we bulldogs remember his aggressiveness and temper and we will not speak negatively about him but instead only positives and what better way at getting back at them but playing for their rival.

Okay Amat 89 is that what all the fuss was about? Bowden?

No offense but is he better than CO's Pyscho or Damien's Hile or Glendora's 3 stud backers? And where are they?

As far as the noise on Allen Is he better than Damien's Mendrun or Ayala's Baca? I don't think so. Too big around the hips for me and too small in the pocket without being super fast with quick feet. Besides how many games did he win with his arm? Leadership, great coaching and a bunch of senior talent won all thise games but then again wining is winning best of luck to Allen and CO.

Best of luck to Allen and Bowden but this time next year they'll be a Citrus and not San Jose State. Ask yourself this question..could either of them start for Mt. Sac or Citrus THIS YEAR if they were seniors. Probably not. Well thats next level good is. Ever see a DIV I player his junior year in high school?

Look at the road they'll have to climb considering they are both essentially the same size and speed.

As far as stats go I noticed on MaxPreps that Bowden had very few solo tackles and 10 times the assisted tackles? Not sure what that means but it ain't next level good. Welcome to ULV.

how do u guys think bonita gonna do this year i personally feel this is one of the best teams they have had in a while and might be better than the 2004 team that won league and how do u guys think SD is going to do and who do u think wil win the smudgepot SD at Bonita

yeah but yeah i want to hear the sgv feelings on these subjects so please respond

Joe Amat

Always enjoy reading your post. Pointed and truthful. Please consider my last post nothing more than positive thinking. I agree we (Lancers) have a long way to go after last year. But with the right direction (coaching) alot of hard work and talent in some key positions I think we can be back on top in 3 years.

Results...

I've always been about performance and not hype. Glad to see Mr Guru could take the time to look at his notes. Ofcourse he still didnt tell us much about this Bowden kid.

Guru as a service arent you supposed to tell us about the talent thats out there.. I mean this kid from the SGV beat out a bunch of kids from all over the state to make 1st defense and all you've got for us in your notes is he was there. Maxpreps has him listed as a MLB 6'0" 220 lbs with 100 plus tackles 1 TD and he was a junior. One tackle shy of your League defensive MVP. Sounds to me like he produces on Friday Nights. Dont you love the Inter-net Information at your finger tips.

hey Joe Amat... What ever happened to that blogger Mean Machine. You two guys used to write some good stuff

Guru's a bad joke
breaking news and Amat 89

Enjoyed your posts!

Seems to me you guys based your thoughts around performance not "HYPE"

89'er

I'm with you , but I think that we'd prefer to start to let our play on the field talk for us before anyone starts with any predictions. After our last few years we have no real room to pop off - no matter what changes and upgrades we've made.

All I'm predicting is that we'll have a better plan, be better prepared, and make better decisions for the right reasons, play smarter and harder - for longer stretches. I tend to think that will translate into wins. Let's wait and see.

Gossip Police.

Becareful who you call a rabbel rouser...Ohhh that hurt! I'm sensitive and you might hurt my feelings. Now go set back in your corner with your lollipop Or maybe take a nap and dream of Lancer championships... their coming

It didn't pain us to throw up Allen's evaluation. We agreed with it. I hope it works out well for him.

I looked back on my notes from the SC lineman camp and I think the player in question is SH's Bowden and he looked good. But, we were watching plenty of other players.

I want to give some love to Covina's offensive lineman Greg Reid. This is a kid that we feel has a nice upside, but he definitely needs to work on his footwork.

But the size is there and he intrigues us quite a bit.

Quiet weekend, now it's off to the second set of passing league tournaments and then VACATION!!!!

Okay let's look a the logic of these insecure bloggers. The GURU has no credibility but PLEASE PLEASE OH PLEASE MR. GURU....OH PLEASE...PUT (FILL IN THE BLANK) ON YOUR LIST????...SO HE CAN HAVE CREDIBILITY????

AM I MISSING SOMETHING?

Give it a rest Amat 89. Just say the name of the freakin player you're so hard up to give props to already!!!!

You with your "i heard" and "I talked to" gossip is maddening. Have your own evaluation and positions. Grow a set and have your own voice---you whining, backstabbing rabble rouser.

OKAY WHO DO YOU WANT AS YOUR OP 10 PLAYERS.

One more thing please stop hating on the GURU....it's so baseless considering everyone wants his APPROVAL and when they dont get it...the gloves come off!

The 10 best players in the valley is not the same as the 10 top college recruits! You've called it the best players....not the ones with potential! The "potential" guys can be on the list later, if and when they live up to the hype.

Fact is, if you don't go to Amat or SH, you won't be on this jokes list! How is the world did Amat lose so many games last year with all that talent? And SH has got to be headed to the Super Bowl!

Truth is, guys like Gilmore and Barbone and others,(who aren't even on your list) are hands down the best players in the valley. I don't care how big they aren't, what team they don't play for, or who else has potential. The guys who have and still are producing at a very high level should be the ones on your list!

SGV Scouting aka. Guru

That was a pretty good report about Chris Allen. I know it must have pained you to type those words because its hard for you to find anything promising about Allen. Hes not exactly one of your favorites. You know Mr. Guru in past history there have been a number of atheletes who have performed above and beyond their capabilities because they have something you cant evaluate "HEART"
Take for example Pete Rose they said he was to small and slow, Steve Garvey to small,Sam Mills,Nick Bounteconte to samll,Jack Lambert to skinny, Michael Jordan not enough game LOL., Jerry Rice barely broke 5 seconds, Wilma Rudolph, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders. Get the point?
You know, I've known About Chris Allen for a lot of years. One thing hes got is heart. He's the kid you want to get the ball when the game is on the line. I know Allen isnt in the rivals top 100 but he should be. With what he's done the past two years speaks volumes. Wow and I'm not even a Charter Oak fan.
On another note and this leads to your credibility. I know someone who was at the SC Lineman camp and he said he saw you there. He told me you know who the kid is that made the 1st team defense 5 on 5. I hear this kids a gamer. But, just dont want to talk about it. So whats up Guru?

his job isn't to "get someone a scholarship (they do that on their own). his job is to give an honest evaluation-and his sounds similar to ESPN's Scouts Inc. Are you going to get on them too?

just show chris allen a lil bit of love and people will back off of you...jesus the kid has 20 wins 3 losses

you almost come off like you dont want him to get a scholarship

sgv scouting = RABBIT EARS!

AS many of you know, we have access to all kinds of recruiting information all over the place. We try to be as accurate as possible when it comes to evaluating a prospect, but hey sometimes we may miss evaluate a prospect.

I bring this up because many of you think that we missed evaluated Chris Allen from CO. We like the kid and feel that he is a senior film eval. kid. Well apparently ESPN's Scouts Inc. feel the same way. Here is the grade that they have given him

Grade: 66

60-69: Solid Prospect
This player is overmatched against the better players in the nation. His weaknesses will be exposed against top competition. Has the ability to develop into a solid contributor at the Division I level.

And here is their evaluation on the prospect

"Allen looks a bit unorthodox for the quarterback position, but the more you watch him he is very productive and for the most part fundamentally sound. He lacks ideal height and has a heavy build, but shows very good drop speed and mechanics and footwork is quick. Gets away from center fast and with good depth. Does a pretty good job of viewing the field considering his height and is capable of getting rid of the ball quickly. Shows good timing and route anticipation too. Has enough arm strength to make most throws when on time and the zip to fit the ball into tight spots on shorter throws. He is a solid athlete for the position, not a dominant runner, but shows the feet and elusiveness to buy time, move around and either find the throw or tuck the ball and get positive yards. Allen's delivery can be a bit mechanical and he doesn't always follow through. He has inconsistent accuracy and will spray the ball around. Just isn't real precise yet. Overall, Allen has redeeming qualities and moves the chains. He is a passer first, runner second and his height may limit his options, but he is productive."

If you would like to post your thoughts, it would be appreciated.

breaking news,

Check previous comments and you begin to be able to read in between the lines among the different posts.
DARK NIGHT SEEKS "JOKER" really is the sgv scouting "guru" so fear not whomever this mad, sick, anonymous person is because he is fooling no one except himself and he's a fool!

dark knight i think you had 1 to many at the highschool kegger party last night

if i would of known you were that sensitive to retards or the movie radio i wouldnt of even gone there GUY!

actually he just said "And we were at the University of Washington camp the same days as the Rising Stars Camp at USC. So if those two were at the Rising Stars camp, we were unfortunately not in attendance."
Posted by: sgv scouting | July 4, 2008 9:25 AM

Come on guru

first time blogger

Now even Joe Amat is curious about the kid at the SC camp. Why the secrecy. And on your part why the anonymity.

If your really trying to promote a service why not give all the information you can. Especially when you proclaim you were there

breaking news --you are so full of it it stinks to high heaven! You have no credibility just by the nature of your stupid comment. Sure anyone can do it- yeah right! AND GET PAID!!!! That's a joke! But YOU know for sure GURU is NOT getting paid or are the programs that STUPID they'll pay ANYONE WITH FREE TIME ON THEIR HANDS????. In that case sign your funky butt up.

Here's your moment....give us all the lowdown on the talent in the valley. Start with 3 years ago and work your way up. Nory, Eschardise, Mendrun, Thomas, Jon Joe, Pyscho, Hile, anyone else that was being touted as can't miss?

Its tough to get a shot and colleges just want to see who can play NOW, who can get accepted NOW and walk on and who is willing to go the JC route and bust hteir butt to get to the next level NOW.

So I'll pay you to be our private blogger GURU...you're up know-it-all. Is this high school where you brand someone with a name like "RADIO" and giggle your stupid butt with ....HA HA HA HEY GUYS/COACH "I" GAVE HIM THAT NAME...HEHEHEHEHEHEH"

WHAT A FREAKIN HATER. "breakin news"...dude your insecurities are showing.

who is the Guru?? anyone know lol

my biggest problem with this scouting guru is any jackass, dad, brother, ex coach, or fan could do his job and he acts like hes the next big thing and his word is golden...your 1 mans opinion on on a 16 year olds performance...ive talked to a few highschool coaches and the nickname RADIO has made more than a few college coaches chuckle

sgv scouting | July 3, 2008 10:03 PM

My only concern with you is that you represent yourself and make sure you don't harm a kid opportunites with your comments or opinions.

Many kids are out there working thier butts off to try and get that chance. It doesn't always have to be D1 in the PAC 10 before a kid can be labeled as a recruit because there are alot of good academic schools outside this area.

Remember NO kid at 16/17/0r 18 years old will ever be perfect and either will any of us!

'89er,

Don't know guru personally, (but bet I know you and vice-versa..it's good to be a Lancer) just know of him, and have dealt with scouting services like him. Trying to cut him some slack. There's alotta kids and a lotta events - so you can't be everywhere. As a recruiter you take the info the service gives you and use it as *a starting point* It builds your mailing list and data base...then the work starts. the colleges will get the film, talk to coaches, go to games, meet the kid, and due their diligence to find out if the kid fits.

I would like to know the SH kid that you're talking about too, if he hasn't been mentioned yet. My sense is that he has...somewhere.

sgv scouting,

Great point about where kids can play in a league. When most people say, "He could play in that league" they usually look at the worst players on the worst team and say, "well, my guy is better than that" . Here's about how the typical conversation goes,

College Coach: ABC Football, this is Coach XYZ

HS Coach: Coach, have I got a player for you. I really think he can play at your place

College Coach: Great, did you call (insert perennial league power here)

HS Coach: Oh no, he can't play there.

College Coach: Well that's the guy we're trying to beat! ...click!

Joe Amat

Hello fellow Lancer. That was a good post and you made some great points.
Let me ask you this. Do you know the Guru personally?
My question to the GURU was legitamit. I heard there was a kid at the camp that did well. I just think it odd the GURU wont respond. Is this kid someone we should look for in the coming season? I guess if he made first defense maybe he is someone we should be looking for? What is the Guru' opinion.
No animosity,no name calling, no back biting. Just a simple answer. You either know or you dont. This issue is getting blown out of porportion

Just keep in mind one thing. When we are looking a kid that might be a Pac-10 player, there are two criteria for looking at him.

1) Is he an SC player?
2) IS he a player that can help a Pac-10 school beat SC?

There is a fine line that you have to follow to answer those two questions. So when you start talking about players that are "Pac-10 Players", answer those two questions.

In the case of Gilmore, unfortunately, the answer to both questions is No!

We didn't see Allen or Gilmore at the skills camp. And we were at the University of Washington camp the same days as the Rising Stars Camp at USC. So if those two were at the Rising Stars camp, we were unfortunately not in attendance.

As for the Wells, Muema comparsion, we liked Wells a lot (hard not to after the WC game on Fox) but most of the D-1 guys just couldn't warm-up to him. But he is a great schools and reports are he's going to have significant playing time this year.

Muema looks to be sitting on a big year and we love his tape. But some D-1 schools just don't like recruiting 5-9 1/2 running backs period.

I'll give you a great example. Rancho Verde has a running back by the name of Daniel Jenkins. A true stud. And he has offers from several schools including Arizona. And he is all 5-8 at best. But, he was the MVP of the Nike Camp and a true stud.

But some schools, like Oregon, will not offer the kid, because they like to have bigger running backs. I could envision a school like Arizona offered Muema at this time next year, or at the very least Boise St.

'89er

I think you're barking up the wrong tree on this one, so I'll try to help. Just trying to save you from an unnecessary argument and embarrassment. Please don't take offense...I'd tell you if you had cilantro in your teeth, a booger in your nose, or if your fly was down too.

First I think guru is *very* familiar with *all* of the South Hills players. He's been accused by other bloggers of favoring SH players earlier...so we can't accuse him of skipping one too. Second, he specifically answered questions about Gilmore earlier in this thread. Here it is

"...In reference to Gilmore, couple of things to keep in mind here. First, I like the kid and I think he could have a great year. He is very good high school football player. Reminds me a lot of SH's Wells from last year.

Second, our biggest knock on the prospect was that in the big games against very good team (Diamond Ranch, Charter Oak, Trabuco Hills) he had terrible performances. So it has yet to be determined if this kid can step up against quality compeition.

And their there is the physicality issue. What will happen when he gets hit by a 6-2, 6-3, 230-240 linebacker?

Like the kid, but way to many unknowns...especially if he's going to be playing fullback!!!!

Posted by: sgv scouting | July 1, 2008 11:11 AM..."

Finally, a few weeks back there was a thread about Chris Allen after guru took some heat after said he was a little out of shape (6'0" & 220lbs?) at some event, and senior film would be important. I'm getting the comparisons, a bit, made below to some "thicker" QBs but Jamarcus Russel is 6'8" and Leftwich is 6'5"... a little bigger than 6'... but I tell you - the kid IS a winner.

He touched on Wells a bit there too. The CO soph is about the same size and guru even questioned that when he said in Muema's eval, "Some schools (like Oregon) might stop on him because of his height (he measured 5-9 1/2, 175"... Probably about what he said when he questioned Wells' size and durability. We can't have selective memory...'ya gotta take in all the info.

It just proves that you can't please everybody...."it's not about passing leagues, combines and football camps - it's about Friday Night Lights" when he gives us an early opinion based on those things ...but then it's "c'mon guru tell us what you think" when he says game film is going to be important. Or on one hand, "...Hey South Hills lover... you got 4 south hills guys up there get a clue..." and then have someone call him on missing someone from SH.

Dear Jealous

Unlike many of the bloggers on here I proclaim to have no credientials or coaches in my roladex. Like most I'm simply a football fan that enjoys the game.
I bear no animosity towards the GURU I simply asked him how he could have missed Gilmore and Allen and the kid who was from the SGV at the USC camp. I do agree with most of his picks; but, several of them are young and unproven. Where Allen and Gilmore are obvious proven producers.
as for the kid at the USC camp I wasnt there. But I heard their was a kid from the SGV (Via A Fans posting) and I was simply inquiring. as an interested third party. I thought it only fair that if we had a kid in the SGV that was able to represent and the GURU was there then he and we should know about it. Therefor I was simply asking the GURU to do his job.
If your gonna run around and say you can do this and do that when your called on it you should be able to step up to the plate and do it. If your a know all Guru you should be able to answer a couple of questions with out taking offense.
Now then dear Jealous i hope I have answered your questions. If I did not make it perfectly clear. Here it is again. I have no credentials or game film or coaches in my roladex. I simply enjoy a great game of HS Football

wow Amat 89. sounds like you have a serious insecurity problem. instead of telling everyone what you think about the GURU tell us about your picks and the truth about your credentials other than hanging around and relaying conversations with anonymous coaches. they must laugh at you thinking here he comes again. bet the coaches make bets how fast their comments make the blog, which they supposely hate but you love. so what's your story amat89? what gives with the back biting? why is the GURU not credibible but you are? or is it your self annointed mission to protect the blog from him. okay you have the floor. don't tell us the ones the GURU has missed tell us who you think is getting looked at and why but more importantly put it in verbage that would be acceptable to a college recruiter. you do have game film like the GURU to prepare and refrence your comment with don't you?

what a jealous joke.

Ahhhh Guru

You intrigue me. I think you should give up your day job and join dancing with the stars. You like to express your opinion but when fronted with a lagetimate question your run for the tree line.
A couple of people have asked you about Gilmore and Allen you've yet to give a legetimate answer.
A Fan asked you about the kid from the SGV that made first team 5 on 5 at the USC camp. You still have'nt answered that question.
So I did a little more calling around (What you think your the only one with connections?) My source says this kid is a Linebacker from South Hills. If you were at the Camp how could you have missed this. And if you were at the camp why are you talking about kids that didnt make it " Cid and Barrios" when one of our own SGV kids did.
On another note I remember last year you say Wells was to small to go D-1 yet here you are talking about Mauma as a D-1 candidate. Arent they the same size and weight? Hmmm.
Oh and I stopped by SH today to watch a little passing league. I had someone point out your picks. A couple of them looked pretty good but Vaughns wasnt that impressive. Got beat a couple of times deep. Thing I disliked about him the most was his attitude and his willingness to point the finger at others.
So now GURU whats the deal. Are you going to talk about all the tallent or just the ones you like. You know when the trib writes a story they try to give all the details. You seem to pick and choose. If your a real scouting service then you should be talking about all the talent so all of these coaches your supposed to work for can make a fair decision based on the facts.
The pet rock never would have been famous had it not been promoted. Maybe you start talking up some of these other kids and they'll get so offers too. I know gilmore and Allen have talent. sounds like SH has a pretty talented linebacker too.

I love talking football, so here it goes. As far as the kid from Cathedral is concerned, he has stated online that he is committed to USC, but we've heard that UCLA could end up getting the kid. His highlight tape is unreal and the kid can run a little bit (lol). Even though Cathedral is not in our area, they always have athletes. Solid program.

As far as lineman are concerned, we like Cid over at West Covina. He looks better and better each time we see him. Now he just needs solid senior film. There is a kid over at San Dimas that we want to get a good look at. I know that Boise St. is really looking at the kid closely.

Defensively, really like Perri from CO and Barrios from SH. Solid football players that have a nice shot at end up at a D-1AA, D-2 scholarship school. Salter from Damien looked OK at the USC camp and will also need great senior film.

Just as a side note, we had a discussion with a Pac-10 coach recently and we both agreed that as a whole, there is more talent in the SGV and the IE with the class of 2010 than with the 09 class. You can go to CO, WC, SH, BA and find a quality D-1 prospect at each school that will be a 2010 graduate. And in the IE we have labeled six receivers as "offer" prospects. That is unheard of for one position, this early in the process.

Muema is the top dog in the area for 2010, but we love the talent as a whole. Should be fun to watch in the fall.

Anyone have any upcoming passing league scheduals ?

Go SGV

I think the best post yet.

Real truths!

Here's the deal my friends. Sometimes the only thing that people really expose is their jealousy. The SGV GURU is what most of these so called credibility police WISH they were. Not him personally but "him" in PRACTICE. Going to camps, getting calls from coaches, walking on football fields and having "that" yank, getting a front row, okay, maybe side balcony seat, in the GAME of college athletics.

Isn't that the unfortunate truth? Most of these blogger police and drive-by specialists have "real jobs with real world" issues while ths guy is probably having the time of his life...doing what he loves. I applaud the GURU for having the "nuts" to put himself out there and "taking a chance". He's our own private Mel Kipper. And I respect that. Now is it REALLY his fault that only Damien's McMahon, SH/Amat's Wells, LA's Ray Rodriguez and Amat's Austin cut the muster this year?

Now for the trouble. A couple of years ago I blogged about the strenghts and weaknesses of certain players, coaches and systems. I also praised other players, coaches and sytems. Everyone had an opinion...most were just foul...but in the end my observations were always on point. Some people can't handle the truth...or suggestions to get better and end up going NO WHERE. hey being a high school is is better than most can say on this blog. Mendrun's goal line heroics will live on how long?...hopefully forever...but the true sport's minds will always remember Marine "putting the ball in the ref's hands" to satrt the play. THAT WAS CLUTCH!!!! How many people that were there even remember that "heads up play"?

Here's the risky move. When I went to the ALL STAR practice last year I noticed Mendrun threw thw ball late. Waited too long for WRs to be WIDE OPEN...that doesn't HAPPEN at the next level.McD on the other hand threw the ball where ONLY the WR could get it. No argument Mendrun way better with great upside but McD got it done. When I told Aram...sitting next to me...he said.."WHAT DO YOU MEAN?" ..exactly.

Most bloggers don't "see" things. Honestly how many peolple saw McMahon and Harper going to USC. Their 'combine" numbers were GOLD!

Point is, long winded as usual, why waste time slamming the GURU. Instead make a better argument for "YOUR" player...opps...that would be less honaorable than what the GURU is doing.

Heres my take on Allen. He reminds me of that number one pick the Raiders took last year from LSU and brian Leftawich(sic)...and their proble will and ca be Allen's. Figure that out and you'll know why he needs senior film instead of being a sure fire PAC10 pick already.

Still Guru love your takes but I really would like to know about the LINEMEN in the San Gabriel Valley and those kids from Cathdral High School. Yes THAT Cathedral...hear they have one of the fasted kids in the state and a great Center that might go Pac10.

“Shall we start talking about the comparable basketball "scouts" that rank the best 5th graders in the country. Ouch!!”

My favorite is the BB guys selling access to the “Junior Olympic” tryouts.

Don't get me started. ;-)

I'm with you about the hyperbole for sure. Unfortunately, hyperbole sells.

I do think that the "Best Darn HS Football Players This Season" and the "Players most likely to be eventually recruited to BCS Schools" are two different lists. The "look-test" and players upside take that into consideration.

Shall we start talking about the comparable basketball "scouts" that rank the best 5th graders in the country. Ouch!!

Your last sentence sums it up. "Just one mans opinion". Yours. mine. gurus. coaches. any other bloggers. Fodder for discussion. That's what we're here for, I guess.

If he is a surprise I do not see him in this top ten. unless it is Cameron Deen...wake up amat73 it is not!.

get ready,
Where are you getting your information from on the QB position. Look into it further you might find a surprise.

No real disagreements Joe, and you are spot on about the reliance on empirical data. I just had a little trouble with the way the material and some of the players are presented. I actually tried to have some fun with this a couple of days ago, but the snidebuster software busted me.

“Best darn top ten, period.” Six Sophomores and two Freshmen? Naaahhh.

The ten best, ( and a D1 frosh), at only six schools? Hardly.

“one of the top players in Southern California for his graduating class” Come on, how many Freshmen has this guy seen this year anyhow?

I guess I'd find the guru more tolerable if he would loose the self-aggrandizement and hyperbole and broaden his scope a bit. Just one man's opinion.

Don,

You're right, but you and I both know how the recruiting game works. Far too often it's about times, vertical, weights and other data instead of what goes on on the field. That certainly doesn't make it right, but that's how it is - at all levels. We watch these college guys for 4 years and then they need "combines" to decide who to draft.

Much of this is because of the disparity in competition. The question always asked is, "how would he do against tougher competition?" Guys at the next level (whichever level that is) are hesitant to pull the trigger and make the investment, especially with "tweeners" and guys who a little small, a step slow, or don't lift as much. the only way they can take the "subjectivity" out and cover their butt is to go strictly by objective data. Again - not right, just the way it is.

The fortunate thing about our "guru" is that he isn't a "fee for service training camps", because as you say - these are a little self serving in only "ranking" guys that train with them so when those guys get recruited it boosts their business - whether the college ends up happy or not.

The "recruiting service guy" that exist in all sports ends up finding the many under-recruited players that are everywhere because there are more players than scholarships to give. "That guy" is the one parents all have to watch out for because generally they do what a family could do themselves. And he'll take thousands of dollars in the meantime.

Our sgv guy as far as we should care, is a guy with an opinion. That's all. You could go anyplace that ranks players and find disagreements in the lists. Again...in all sports. If I don't like Scout, I go to Rivals, or StudentSports, USA Today, ESPN and on and on. How do these kids get on lists? The same way we are talking about here. A little bit of game stats, a little reputation, a little "data" and a bunch of "buzz".

All kids can do is go out and play *their* best every time they hit the field or the gym and not worry about comparing themselves with others. Leave that to the rest of us.

Don and Amat 89

You both make great comments. Does this guy really support the student/Athlete or his bottom line? He claims he doesn't take money from parent’s just schools, so who does he really benefit? Seems to be more interested in making the reports right, but missing a lot more! Bases results on who's credentials? How many years in the business?

I recently spoke with a coach who has years of coaching experience from the HS, Collegiate and professional levels.

It was quite a conversation and I asked him to go on this blog and give his insight. He laughed and said sorry. Anyways, I did take some notes..

I’ll give you the top 5 as he called it. If he recruits a player, the given already is talent, but the process after is as follows:

1. Grades/Sat/Act: Nothing is more important than this in the process.
2. Character: What is the player like off the field? What do his peers think about him? He mentioned that so many reporting services miss this. Getting to know the player is very important and the more they learn the better the investment
3. Marketability: What’s in that FAFSA form (EFC). Huge part of recruiting game, especially in this financial world we live in. Using the money provided by the schools and Feds is like a “Chest Game” as he called it.
4. Leadership Skills: Can the athlete be a role model in the future?
5. Luck: He said, “If I get a player that fits into our program, a lot of things came together and I was lucky to sign the kid”. A Win-Win!

Don...Good points you make. Just understand that we look for guys that we feel can make it at the next level and then, at that point, the colleges make the call themselves. We'll give them our honest opinion with a lot of information, but the colleges make the call after talking with their coaches, watching film, etc.

We are just the starting point. And yes, we watch a ton of film in the fall and get a real feel for the kid.

our feeling is that camps really do help the player get recruited, because the position coach gets a great feel for the athlete and sees if he can fit with the program.

Unlike baseball, where you can make safe projections on athletes, football is about upside. That's what makes this job very difficult. But we try our best.

As for the guys that you have mentioned, we like them and as we have continually said, senior film will be huge.

Amat will start 0-2. Both games on the road and facing the talented QB of Los Osos first game then going to O-luth? yes 0-2 out of the gate for the Lancers. You heard it first here. Lenhart cannot lead this team and there is not much at QB for Amat. Lots of talent at Amat, yes, but you need to throw the ball and Amat is lacking in that dept. Richard Brehaut of Los Osos is a passer and a runner, remember his 40 yard scamper to win last years game at Amat. He is even better this year. Long 2 game road trip for Amat. Sorry the slide will continue new coach or not.

Good take Joe.

My issue with the “guru” is that he relies on data developed at, as he puts it, “camps, combines, passing leeagues, weight lifting events” and too little on Friday night games. This is the reason you aren't seeing the Gilmores, the Chris Allens, the Lengyels, the Perris or Williams or a dozen other kids “of interest” on his lists. They aren't at the camps, they are in the weight room at school or in some cases, playing baseball. When he presents kids with a “can't miss” spin, he often fails to recognize many kids who have already been sought out by 4 years schools.

The nature of the recruiting process has evolved over the last 15 years or so to embrace the fee for service training camps as data providers and talent evaluators. Conflict of interest issues here are huge since these providers are in the business of A) signing on new participants and B) demonstrating positive results. The more they can “B”, the more kids they will recruit, and since there is no real industry or legislative oversight, those results can sometimes be a little less than objective.

The question then is who do these talent evaluators serve? The schools, (who presumably pay a fee for the talent evaluation), the players, or themselves.

sgv scouting

I taught the IE has more talent?

Keep talking your garbage Water Boy and move out to the IE. Maybe you can suck butt with the Daily and start blogging there too.

When was the last time a scouting service firm spent time blogging?

Nice company!

Hey Mr. Guru

I guess you cant see the forest for the trees. Would you say you have a good idea of talent when you see it. Well lets see in the last week you have passed up Allen and Gilmore. Two notable talents in the SGV. Now I find out from one of my sources. That the kid A Fan was asking about at the USC lineman camp is from the SGV. This kid made a big enough impression that Ken Norton Jr. and a couple of the other coaches spoke to him, as well as making the final 5 on 5. If you were at the camp who is this kid and why are you not reporting him. I thought you were a talent service So what is it. The coaches at SC dont know talent or you dont know talent. Or maybe the rumore of you being biased is true also. Either way every day you lose more credability. Have a happy meal

There it is. I am glad Joe Amat has spelled it out for everyone. We've not taken a dime for a parent and we never well. We get paid through the university...that is why our opinions have to be as precise as possible.

That is why it is so important for us to be at camps, combines, passing leeagues, weight lifting events, and games on Friday night. We have to have all the right info when talking with coaches across the country.

Joe Amat, the first cold one is on me if we ever meet. BTW, you'll be happy to know that we like BA to absolutely crush Los Osos. You heard it first!

We're getting a little confused here.

A "Recruiting Service" markets themselves to the public and assists student/athletes in getting recruited.

A "Scouting Service" communicates with colleges and universities assisting THEM in finding student/athletes that fit their needs.

It is of extreme importance to the families of student/athletes that they deal with *Recruiting Services* that are reputable. It can be a costly mistake if they aren't.

In all honesty, the general public really has no concern about who the "Scouting Service" is. Over time, if their info turns out to be useful, colleges will continue to listen to them. It's to the services benefit to be as accurate as they can. if they aren't...it can be costly to them and they'll fade away with the tons of other services that have given it a shot.

The market will settle that score. And the market in this case, as I understand it, is the colleges not the families.

Any reputable Recruiting or Scouting service will have no problem marketing their services to the public. Anybody else is just suspect!

For all parents seeking some help, listen to Coach Harbaugh on NCSASports.org

That’s HUGE!

one man's opinion , Hey it's you again , & You're up,

I agree with all of you !:?)

In the words of the MIA Mike the Clone...."That was Huge!!"

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Hater Nation-so true.
Even the most casual football fan who watched those games last weekend at Bonita had to be impressed from schools in the IE. As for the kids listed here and scouting creditentials, someone mentioned Rivals, Scout etc. and most are there. Price is listed as the 5th ranked coverage corner in the country. Deen is ranked 35 overall. That does stand out. Somebody knows what is going on.

Will Vaughns be eligible? 4 F's to end the year...

To ALL the haters,

The truth is usually found behind you.

Name the stars and talent from the last 4 years. The lenght of this blog? That was better than that FLOOD of Division 1 talent from the IE that is currently on Divion 1 teams....start with Norco and work your magic and compare that talent with the SGV... no comparison.

How about at Los Altos? Charter Oak? Covina? West Covina? South Hills? Bonita?

Better yet name all the "sure fire, can't miss, my kid is sooooo talented the scouts are pounding down our door talent that we've ALREADY forgotten about.

Okay let's enjoy the Guru...or not. But why spend the time and say he's not credible when at the very least he's at all these camps, getting all this film and having all these conversations and the haters are not. That's gotta hurt.

Those that can-- "do" those that can't ---b&tch. What are your credentials to say he doesn't have ANY? I thought so. Being a drive by specialist doesn't mean squat when you're evaluating talent. I'll evaluate yours...you're a great drive by, nothing to contribute but stupidity,wish people would give me the time of day in my REAL LIFE genius. At least from what I've evaluated recently seeing as your competition as retired recently.

So to the Hater Nation....here's YOUR chance....STEP UP AND GIVE A QUALIFIED EVALUATION OF THE PAST TALENT AND WHY THEY ARE WORKING AT MC DONALDS THESE PAST FEW YEARS INSTEAD OF THEIR PREDESTINED SPOT ON THE FIELD OF SOME DIV 1 SCHOOL....THAT YOU AND THEY WERE SO SURE WOULD HAPPEN BUT D.I.D.N'T!

No glass slipper Cinderella...the shoe doesn't fit......except when it's your mouth or in your A##. Have fun making a point without sounding stupid.And can you SUPERSIZE IT PLEASE!!!!...next!

there is easily more talent in the inland empire than in the san gabriel valley. it's as simple as this. parents who live in los angeles (one of the most athletically rich populations in the country) used to move to the san gabriel valley in search of a better community, education, and life for themselves and their kids. it has become economically impossible for those parents to move to the san gabriel valley anymore and, thus, they have migrated to the inland empire. this was not the case in the late 70's and 80's. Therefore, the demographics have changed and the talent pool in the area has suffered.

Conq79

You make another good point.

The real problem, is this so called GURU cannot be verified and list things with no creditable facts.

Then he tries to compare the 09 class to 10 class? Then claims talent in the SGV is not as good as Inland Empire? I could go on but why?

Based on what? Opinions. We'll opinions are like what? We know the answer to that!

Let him say his peace in the comment section Mr. Tribune not a thread and don't give me a canned answer "Anybody can email with their comments and if I feel it’s worthy I'll put it up"

I like the guys from CO. I think that Perri is a nice sleeper and we've on the phone pushing the kid for the past month. Allen is going to be a senior film evaluation film and I hear that he's been traning hard this summer. Good to hear.

I think Damien is going to be OK. Saw them on Friday at Bonita, and as usual, there going to be solid. Herrera and Salter will be the two guys we'll be watching for the colleges.

Once again, I like Gilmore, but the colleges, like myself, have big questions on the kid. Senior film will be big for the kid.

wildcat u dunce,
Look at the numbers, Gilmore was also in the top ten in the NATION in return yardage. How can you even question this kids talent at the high school level. I understand how someone can question is talent at the next level, but he has to be concerned the best all around player in the sgv hands downs going into the 08'/09' season.

HEY IT'S U AGAIN

PRETTY APPARENT YOU HAD TO LOG ON? I GUESS THE TRUTH HURTS GURU. DID THIS LAST COMMENT REALLY HIT HOME? LOL

COMING ON HERE WITH A DIFFERENT MO!

WOW, STILLS WAITING FOR THAT RESUME!

Go Bearcats...ever heard of Mel Kipper? You should have heard the comments they made about him 20 years ago (gave or take a few years).

Ever hear of SPEED TRAINING? You should have heard coaches 20 years ago.

Ever hear of ESPN...24 hours of SPORTS???? You should have heard the EXPERTS then.

How about ....fill in the bank...MAXPREPS....SPARQS..NIKE....lists goes on and on....opppps...how about a blog about...ready for this....HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS????

Whata joke!!!!! Grown men disecting the lives of "minors" for public humiliation????? Grown men acting like ...reverting to...high schools antics...."NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS!!!!" Who would even log on???? People have lives you know? Yeah right!

So what are your credentials? They say to catch a criminal you have to THINK like a CRIMINAL....so to know an unqualified HACK? A$$? WINDBAG???again fill in the blank...do you have to "THINK" like one or be one yourself?

Maybe that's why I never uderstood you and you never understood me...fill in the blanks.

Is that shorter and to the point. SGV guru...Mel Kipper would be proud.

Its one man opinion

Nice book! Little long!

Yeah its one man opinion, so who made this empty suit a Guru? Where's the beef?

Either Bogan or the tribune is getting a kick back..

I like the name Radio too! Fits tis bum

Here's a little perspective on the sgvguru. (One man's opinion)

He trying to be honest with the bloggers here. I admire the time and effort he's taking and I find it pretty intereting as well. Great job GURU. I once asked you to give a lowdown on a couple of past "greats" to see where you where coming from but these recent bloggers have shown me a side of this blog that makes that exercise a waste of time. Don't bother I've heard horror stories about some of them that would make any parent cry.

The truth is NO ONE HERE WANTS THE TRUTH. Either they can't handle the truth or they are putting so much time, effort and energy into enjoying their 15 "seconds" of fame that blinders and earplugs are required wear.

Let's ALL make an honest look back at the "stars" of yesteryear. Where are they now? Most "knew" they didn't have "it"...they just BS'd there moments in the sun. Where are their treasured Lettermen jacket now...in the closet next to Dad's...if their Dad's even played.

The REAL winners never even REGISTERED on the TOP 10 of any list. Look back. No offense intented to any athletes/programs/schools/coaches/parents/friends/cousins/trainers/pets/goldfish...its just MOST ARE JUST PRETTY GOOD HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETES AT BEST...AND NOTHING MORE (ATHLETICALLY)...no where near even OUTSTANDING JC PLAYERS. Look it up and look back....No names please. Hey being a high school legend is pretty good...while it last.

Congrats to McMahon and Harper from Damien. Neither registered on anyone's radar and BOTH had the GRADES and the PHYSICAL potential and are on the field (now it's a numbers game) with the greatest college program in recent memory USC.

So to all the name callers and drive by specialist...give it a rest. The truth is like Mike the Clone and Plaid Lad and many others...when their kids graduate..they'll move on.

Here's an example of what I mean. Last year I said I thought the So. QB at SH was the best, ahead of Deen even. What he do...transfers to St. Paul. Deen I believed THEN "locked on to recievers early and often"...what did DEEN do...got better and look at him now. Took heat when I made that comment but then again ..."it's one man's opinion"....leave it at that. Everyone has one...players play...talkers talk and boggers OPINE: for beter of worst. Blogging won't make your kids faster, bigger or more attractive to recruiters...deal with that.

Best of luck to ALL THE ATHLETES. Hope no one suffers any major injuries and have fun...its only a kid's game really...the real game is LIFE. Ask Wooden.

SGVGURU thanks for the info. What are your thoughts on Damien's team this year. With a team without any "superstars" on it maybe they can pull together like Northview and muster up and surprise a few people. Best of luck to the Spartans.

ok so i saw south hills throw the ball today, and they are the real deal. even though it was monrovia and cathedral lol. with deen and that recieving core i dont think anyone can stop them. dont just count umodu bevel and vaughns the other 2 they had (hart and roddy) also tore it up. expect big things from these guys cuz they bring it!

south hills fan

That is too funny!

You have just given this guy a new name.. Its Radio from now on!

Maybe you should be on Leno!

Hey South Hills loveer. i mean "RADIO" you got 4 south hills guys up there get a clue... no ALLEN, PERRI, WIlliams, Rycraw.. from CO??? no gilmore get a clue RADIO.. we all know your a cameren deen lover give that boy ALLEN some love

This is fun controversy, this could work out to be a legit list we'll only know when the pads come on, personally I've seen Ricky Johnson prove himself with the pads on [over 900 yards & 9 tds as a sophmore and he wasn't our feature back], I've also seen Muema 3 times and he will be as good as advertised, he had 5 yards vs Trab. Hills only because he had 1 carry, I don't understand what Farrar was thinking, but I got a feeling his low yardage games were due to lack of carries. Cameron Deen I have also seen twice and he also proved himself with the pads on as well as Sermons & Bevels. Haven't seen any of the others on the list
play in pads so I can't give an opinion.

Guru

You suck! We'll see what talent is all about at year end!

If you dont like the SGV talent, take you lame a-- out to the Inland empire and set up shop there.

You're a washed up old man who couldn't make the line up at SH.

tell me did gilmore help his team do anything in the playoffs? its not hard for a good running back to put up 1900 yards against schools like la puente, glenn, montebello cmon now a freshman running back can do work against those kids. and if u look in their loss to trabuco he rushed for 119 yeards 0 touchdowns and also put the ball on the floor. hop off his jock man

Sgv Water Boy:

You just get worst everytime you open your mouth.

"Second, our biggest knock on the prospect was that in the big games against very good team (Diamond Ranch, Charter Oak, Trabuco Hills) he had terrible performances. So it has yet to be determined if this kid can step up against quality compeition"

Dr 76 yds, CO 34 yards(Min. Play, TH 119 yds

Now, lets look at one of your best

Muema DR 40 yds, Wilson, 82 yds, TH 5 yds.

You due the math and get out of the stands and suit up on Friday Night!

2010 the class to beat

First of all, you need to understand the differnece between Wildcat and Nobles. LOL

Since you're throwing out some names lets have a little fun comparing a 2009 stud to a 2010 unproven stud.

Gilmore
1976 yards, 22 TDs
Muema
692 yards, 9 Tds

We could get into Bevel numbers too, but it wouldn't be that impressive either.
Other 09 guys we could compare but you wouldnt have much to say with their numbers either.

Camps, combines and passing leagues don't equal year end performance, ONLY FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS!

sgvscout u said u were at the elite 11 in vegas right? how did the 4 from south hills look? there was deen, umodu, roddy and vaughns. how did they look?

According to Gilmore he has a 2.6 GPA.

The offense Hoyd is running features the fullback. Gilmore will get the majority of the touches. Same results with no line.

Gilmore with no offensive line ran for over 100 yards against Trabuco Hills, that was more than any running back all year. The real issue is Gilmore has no line to run behind, which makes it real hard to compare him to other backs.

fullback? gilmore???

where is this info coming from? what is the new coach doing over there????

Other question on Gilmore is if he's even going to be eligible by September. I hope for his sake he's hitting the books this summer.

In reference to Gilmore, couple of things to keep in mind here. First, I like the kid and I think he could have a great year. He is very good high school football player. Reminds me a lot of SH's Wells from last year.

Second, our biggest knock on the prospect was that in the big games against very good team (Diamond Ranch, Charter Oak, Trabuco Hills) he had terrible performances. So it has yet to be determined if this kid can step up against quality compeition.

And their there is the physicality issue. What will happen when he gets hit by a 6-2, 6-3, 230-240 linebacker?

Like the kid, but way to many unknowns...especially if he's going to be playing fullback!!!!

Hey Guru

Good to see you back! I see your taking your lumps like a man. I do respect that in you. Plus I know a little more about you then must of these chuckleheads. I know of your credentials and who your connected to to. I gotta say though. Your still a little off base. Cid and Salter did do well at the SC camp but they didnt make the top 5 on 5. A friend of mine said that the undersized kid I spoke of earlier actually is linebacker that was there to learn how to better get past linemen on blitz' Now thats thinking out of the box. So who was this kid that was smoking past some of the best talent around

i laugh at u wildcat. what have they done? in last years semis there were 2 teams from the sgv left Charter Oak and South Hills, 5 c/o 2010 members started and had a significant role in the game. South Hills - Miles Bevel had a huge pick in the fourth quarter along with some big tackles.
Charter Oak - Adam Muema had alot of carries splitting time with Snowden. Aj Powell also at CO came up with a pick in the semi final game. dont bag on the class just becuz ur son goes to nogales and has no talent

sgv scouting

Another bad comparison, Charles Weis.

Dude, dont even go there, you'll get eaten up

You make reference to the 2010 class being the best coming back. We'll I have one question for you..

What have they proven on Friday Night? And back it up with real facts, not BS camps and passing leagues.

Jaczzz

Look, there has to be accountabliity and quality for a GOOD BODY OF WORK!

Don't think this clown from SH knows crap!

Nobody bagged on the football program, just the water boy in the background.

Ah, it's nice to be talking football in the summer. Like, I said, you make personal comments, I have no use for you. Hey, even Charlie Weis made it big in football and he didn't even play a down in football.

For us, it's all about film. But in passing league, you get to see the kids in action, the competitiveness of the kid and see if he is a true leader. It's just part of the evaluation process.

Same thing goes with camps. But the great thing about camps is that you get to see if the kid can take to college coaching and how he matches up against some of the top talent in the state or on the west coast. We like to get as much information as possible so that when we right up our reports to go to the colleges, the information is fresh and correct.

Like I stated earlier, I love the 2010 class. It has the makings of being a great class with tremendous athletes all over the place. No, I'm not down on the 2009 class, but the 2010 class...unreal.

I was at the lineman camp at USC and I really like the improvement of WC lineman Cid. Looks better in shape and is moving a lot better. Senior film is going to be huge on him.

I also like Damien Jake Salter. He looks like a nice sleeper that can be looked very closely as the season goes along.

I really don't want to make anyone angry, but right now all the talent is in the Inland Empire...and many of you saw that at the Bonita Tournament. Rancho Verde, Colony, Los Osos, Upland and Corona all looked really good. As well as A.B. Miller.

And your not evening taking into consideration Corona Santiago, Corona Centennial, Corona Roosevelt, Chaparrel (which will sign two players this year), Moreno Valley, Arroyo Valley. The IE as surpassed Orange County as the hot-bed of football talent in Southern California.

Thanks for the kinds words and now it's time for a little rest. For the past three weeks, we been to USC, UCLA, UNLV for Elite 11, Washington, San Diego...time for a little rest.

I know of a linebacker at Dub "C" that has a 29.5 vert, runs a 4.8 and improving that will crush these running backs on the list. Can't wait for this to all be put to bed after the games are played. The scout is very preferential in his pickings.