Valle Vista League honors

joe do you have a life? do you sit on this blog all day talking to teenagers?

joe amat - YOU are much more entertaining than I ever would have thought. Still don't agree with everything but may I suggest you 'pepper' a bit more of the humor with your replies and you just may keep your audience captivated. Enjoyed the rapport with you and Cash or Charge it - whichever he ended up being.

JA, Great comeback to Cash's comments, Thought it was very funny. Also, I agree with you in regards to Boca Del Rio, great tacos & burritos you just have to pay the price later.

Cash-man

There was that time a while back when I thought I was wrong...but I was mistaken. Just kidding!

You lost me after "(Although I'm extremely curious to that answer)" Paragraph three! Still kidding. I was still with you... but it was just you me and Don, I'm sure!

BTW do you remember Mike Warren who played PG for UCLA - starred in Fast Break with Mr Kotter....OK Hill Street Blues. Yeah...that guy. Named his kid Cash...for real - on his birth certificate. worked out, though. Kid was a decent baller in HS and married Jessica Alba. Cash...not so bad.

Hey, no need to concede, I didn't want to make you feel bad, I just thought that your examples supported my argument, but I'm with you on the whole championship thing too.
Hence, CO-MVPs. Good choice.

Volume...maybe... frequency is always impressive too, but I actually think that *duration* may be the biggest accomplishment. 30 minutes? After Boca del Rio, maybe? or my wife's broccoli!

And we don't want to rehash the whole division thing again. I just had a nice discussion with Curious George about what Max had to say about the schedules. Seems Mr Preps thought the schedules were a little different than the average Valley dweller thought. But that goes to the whole baseball #25 could beat #1 thing too. Shoot, #2 Simi Valley lost to Westlake and they can't be any good - they lost to St Paul who was only the D5 runner-up (Now you knew I was going there...didn't you?!?) and the #22 team from Palos Verdes lost to D5 semifinalist Bishop Montgomery... so what'd the little kid say in "Angels in the Outfield"...
"hey - it could happen"

And really, it was the Co-MVP take. The other stuff, honestly, if anyone were to go back and read (or remember) what is written, I've written more about other teams this baseball season than I've written about Amat. Sure that indirectly talks about our schedule but like Maxwell Preps says W-L, opponents W-L, and THEIR opponents W-L - not to mention their ranking... in any state!:?)

Really, the way I looked at it, is our ranking was right where it should have been all year long. Assuming all other things are relatively equal (records, league titles, CIF titles, etc) head-to-head trumps all. What I did (and do) take issue with is the perception of our league and division based on nothing but feelings and opinions. For those that came out to see those teams play, those opinions are based on facts, which is cool. Feelings... nothing more than feelings... whooa-o-o feeling... sorry - channeling Morris Albert

Off to the Lakers over Celtics...on the Kobe bandwagon. Liked him...HATED him...like him again. Fickle? Frontrunner? Just a sportsfan and like to see good stuff. He's changed. I think. See I've got an open mind. Really!

And if I want your opinion...I'll give it to you!

Still kidding!

Loose Change - I'm sorry, but your posts make no sense and I am so over this. It's very apparent by your comments that your problem is with me, not my son. I do not appreciate being called Senora or any of your other idiotic names. Get over it.

Loose Change - Your posts make no sense. I feel sorry for you, as your problem seems to be with me and not my son, as evidenced by your comments directed at me. Do not refer to me as Senora or any of your other ridiculous names, and seriously, get over it.

Got to thinking...after I wiped the tears from my eyes. The MVP was a season award....is it not? The VV MVP Is a LEAGUE award is it not? As in League Championship, Conference Championship and the NFL, NBA or MLB Championship Game MVP is as Eli and Peyton were game MVPs. Another point Joe didn't all those names you mentioned help their teams win Division, League Championships? Gannon especially? Either way...my point is in my opinion Andrade and Northview got played. No slight against Pill but who would he vote for? I'm sure the senora will answer for him....she's been doing it all season long.

Joe, okay I concede. Its apparent I'm speaking to Jesus Christ. lol Joe Amat, J.A. Jesus Atyourservice, J.A.

Humor me and tell me when was the last time your were wrong or slightly mistaken. Please don't count typos. Lol.

As far as Amat goes bringing up the fact that the last two teams you played you'd beaten 3 times goes to the division. And I won't go there. As far as the top 25 teams beating each other on any given day? Must be a baseball thing. I don't that applies in any other team sport but soccer. But again I'll defer to you on that one. (Although I'm extremely curious to that answer)

As far as MVP goes my point was and is making Championship runs. But your point is well taken and well researched. I'm impressed but then again I was impressed when Howard Stern had that guy who count fart for 30 minutes straight. LOL Joe can you fart for 30 minutes straight...didn't think so! LOL

Besides Joey I did say I would defer to your greatness. You are a unique individual and although I don't always agree with the way you use research I am ALWAYS impressed...again..think farts. What's more impressive to you...sound (volume) or ordor (stench)...me Im a Volume man as indicative of my resect for your blasts!
Sorry Joe I don't know about you but I'm crying over here! LOL!

You must be a hell of a guy to meet in person. Must go like this....Hi My name is -______, and then you tell me everything about myself, from birth weight to college GPA to the projected earning potential of my children, for the next 2 hours.

Seriously Joe. Always a pleausre. Just one question which got you more inspired the crying Amat comment or the Co-MVP opinion.

I'll wait for your response. Just do me a favor and make it something truely inspiring. Almost Biblical in nature so I'm uniquely intrigued.

Is that 3 paragraphs?

Try the American Express - that was was denied too.

I do appreciate you bringing other sports in as an example... but it did more for proving my point than yours. Not very good "High brow debating" skills.

Since you brought up basketball only one year this century has the MVP been from the Champion (Duncan). Instead it has gone to a great player who elevated his team and whom the team would not be a contender without. How else do you explain Nowitski, Nash, Garnett (with the TWolves), Malone, Olajuwon, Robinson, Barkley, or ALLEN 'frickin' IVERSON for gosh sakes!

Thanks for the help.

Got Cash?

Not ONCE this century has the NFL MVP been from the championship team. Certainly not Eli Manning...MVP was Tom Brady - who lost to Manning. LaDanian, Peyton(before the championship), Shaun Alexander, Randall Cunningham, Barry Sanders, Marshall Faulk, or RICH GANNON?

Which category do they fall in? Champion or " great player who elevated his team"

Sometimes it's hard to answer a numbers question without talking a few numbers, but I'll keep it short. Here is what the MaxPreps ranking really says. And *please* I'm not arguing rankings, they are what they are. Teams in the top 25 all should be pretty proud, and you should know by now how I feel - #25 could beat #1 on any given day)

When figuring rankings MaxPreps uses W-L record, opponent rankings, opponents W-L records and THEIR opponents W-L records. According to MaxPreps on the year, Amats strength of schedule was 7.2 - slightly better than NV's 6.4. Splitting hairs? As much as comparing their "Rating"s with NV at 13.7 and Amat at 13.3.

The final week when both teams won a title NV jumped 19 spots, from 32 to 7. Amat dropped from 13 to 15. Amats final two victories were over two team that they already defeated 3 times each, so they weren't as helpful statistically as two wins over new opponents.

What does that say? They were both pretty darn good and should be proud of their years.

Here are the final numbers
7 Northview (Covina)
Rating:13.7 Strength: 6.4 Record:26-4 League:14-1 Movement: +19

15 Bishop Amat (La Puente)
Rating:13.3 Strength:7.2 Record:27-4 League:12-0 Movement: -2

Joe Amat I defer to your knowledge of the senora but I know a passive aggressive when I read one.

As far as your point about BEST that's never been the criteria for MVP. Ever. Most Valuable NEVER takes into account the lack of a team around you or Elton Brand would have at least one MVP and more than 1 All Star appearance. Best wins Championships. Ask Chris Paul. Kob wins the MVP. Why?Magic Jonson, Larry Bird, Jabbar, Duncan, Shaq. I'd ask you to ask Brett Farve but he was a media darling much like the mijo to win so many. Best win Championships. MVP stand for accomplishment not excuses. Ask Eli Manning! Or was it the D Line that snatched the Championship from the Patriots? I say opportunity taken, accomplishment done. Andrade did that!

As far as the Amat crying. Okay you got me it was wimpering. Certainly not from you but you ain't everybody. I'll go no lower than that. High brow debatig if you will. I recall a certain somebody giving us the benefit of their knowledge with stats, strenght of schedule, scholarship potentia, list ad naseum and urine samples proving Amat the superior team/talent. I guess all that was for our information rather than to influence/wimper about SGV status/ranking. At least got it right....didn't you send THEM a list? (wink wink)

As far as my point about the team. I also recall a certain someone saying how they admired the team/coach for the no stats rule. Well the SINGULAR MVP would have gone a long way to rewarding the players/coaches/parents for putting the team first. And a great example to other teams/parents/coaches and others. Every great player will tell you - win Championships and the indiviual awards will come. In this case they came with baggage. Hopefully Fred doesn't play the same game.

But I digress Joe. The point was made, rebutted by you and I'll defer once again to your superior knowledge of life, sports, diplomacy and all things under the sun. But please don't question my credit limit. Wipe it again.

JOE AMAT - shed some light please - why would max preps make that comment and then list them as the #14 team compared to NV's #7 ???? Please keep it basic and not numbers/stats packed. Just a simple question and I would appreciate your opinion.

JOE AMAT - shed some light please - why would max preps make that comment and then list them as the #14 team compared to NV's #7 ???? Please keep it basic and not numbers/stats packed. Just a simple question and I would appreciate your opinion.

Joe Amat:
Right you are! I have been considering sprinkling my writing with the occasional “sucks”, “stupid”, or e potty references. Hey, I even listened to a couple minutes of Jim Rome last week. I guess it just hasn't fully engaged yet.

Actually, I had the same problem a couple years back when I watched re-runs of “West Wing” for about six months trying to turn myself into a liberal.

That didn't take either.

From Sorry Don:
“There is something wrong with the VVL making the two boys co mvps this year and this is why. Northview's Andrade was the POY without a doubt. “

Thanks Sorry Don, I think you made my point pretty well.

Andrade is the V V L POY in a knockout since he had the best season on the best team. Too bad the V V L coaches didn't pick a POY and chose to pick MVP's.

Charge it,
you're over your limit-card refused.

you say,"...and never divided themselves by becoming individuals and worrying about individual awards."

...isn't that what you're worrying about?

Here's some criteria the coaches think about (and keep in mind - I've said a few tims that Andrade is a SGV POY candidate)
1)Most VALUABLE to his team - as Don said, take Pill off CHS and they are in a battle with Baldwin Park. Without Andrade, NV is still pretty darn good (you said it yourself, "NORTHVIEW IS THE ULTIMATE TEAM"
2)BEST player (ie: potential, draft value, etc)MLB and College scouts are fairly smart and have done this awhile. All I know is at Covina I saw a half dozen radar guns and notebooks out when Northview was at bat and they all put them away when Andrade took the mound. Maybe those scouts know something, as do the VVL coaches.
3)Starter vs Closer-Closers are pretty darn important, but there's nothing to close if you don't have quality starters to get thee. Seven innings (or 8...or 9) is tougher than 1 or 2
4)Hitting stats are tough to go by. I'm guessing that they all felt that it was a little easier to "pitch around" Pill than it was to Andrade. NV's lineup was far deeper and Andrade probably got better pitches to hit.
5)Seniority - seniors seem to get "bonus points" in most coaches eyes. Like lifetime achievement awards based on a body of work.

cbf get's along fine with others that have a clue-and if you don't, she'll let you know.

On another note, Amat has NOT been "crying" about sharing the top spot. In fact most have simply said, "scoreboard - you were better *that day*" and you deserve to be #1 in the SGV based on that.

Congrats on the MaxPreps #7 in the State. In the same poll Amat was #15 (with a win over #14) so we're a little proud too. Interestingly enough, the poll that you are hanging your hat on also says that Amat's
*season long strength of schedule*
was tougher than NV's. Valid poll? Pick your poison!

and Don...c'mon - you know that any post with more than three paragraphs and halfway decent sentence structure gets passed over by most and, after a few key words are read, the reader just *guesses* what you wrote!:?)

Senora Pilladora

You might want to stop running your mouth, however unlikely that is. I am not from Norhview and I would suspect they are not the least bit jealous of you, you son or anything else you think you have. You nor your son have a Championship becasue he didn't earn it and the team, in your mind, wasn't good enough, yeah right. All season long I've read your backhand sutle and not so sutle comments about Covina's lack of hitting, consistent run support, or lack of coaches letting the players play, is that a slight at over coaching or under coaching? Maybe you squirted out a couple of future Major Leaguers and married with a former MLBer but how does that make you a baseball authority? By sitting in the stands and yelling, "Come on BLUE!!!" You're right your son gets along well with others, why can't you.Always with the Northview player nd fan jealousy trip. Scoreboard honey! Northview rocked all year long, never threw their team mates under the bus, never questioned their coach's leadership, never gave out their stats and never divided themselves by becoming individuals and worrying about individual awards. It's the ultimate TEAM game lady. AND NORTHVIEW IS THE ULTIMATE "TEAM THIS YEAR. Deal with it. Northview proved it. In my opinion, and in alot of people's opinion, Norhview got screwd again having to share the award with the your son. No way did he deserve that award. How? Under what criteria? MVP is Most Valueable Player and not the Player With The Most $$$$ Value (Draft). VV coaches might be able to say our MVP, opps, Co+MVP was picked in the first round but was that the real story in the VV this year? That's why Northview is sharing the award. No future proof is there than the debate over "WHo's No. 1 in the SGV?"all year long EVEN AFTER Northview beat Amat, no resect, and then the STATE RANKINGS come out and guess what...no Amat, yet Amat was crying to share the top spot all year long. Again SCOREBOARD BABY!

NORTHVIEW you did it the right way. Congratulations. Enjoy the ride, even though everyone is trying to ride your coat tails and minimize your greatness this blogger,like many, stand in awe! YOU GUYS WERE AWESOME ALL YEAR LONG....a team for the ages!

Only a Northview parent would think a CIF Div IV Championship is a bigger accomplishment than receiving a full ride college scholarship.

You compare their batting averages, but what about their pitching stats. Wasn't Pill a starter and Andrade a closer? Kind of hard to make a comparison there. Don't understand all of this - isn't this award picked by the coaches? Who can't vote for their own players?

There is something wrong with the VVL making the two boys co mvps this year and this is why. Northview's Andrade was the POY without a doubt. In all cateogories, he outhit Pill .500 to .340 approx., same power #'s, matched him on the hill, and his team won the league by 3 or 4 games. This is not a dig in anyway for Pill, it is what it is. The co mvps makes two schools happy like a consolation prize. Pill has a helluva future, but the award should've went to one kid if the league race was as one sided as it was with the standings and when one kid from that team did what he did at the plate and on the hill. As for Covina Baseball Fan, one comment from a fan, doesn't mean it's the whole Northview crowd.

I made no knock on Andrade, nor have I challenged the accomplishments of the Vikes. Marc is a terrific player on a supremely talented team that had a great year. If you look at what I have written, you'll find nothing negative from me about ANY Northview player, coach, or even the school. Ever. (Well, I may have had a couple of things to say about some fans during football season, but never the guys inside the lines.)

If the V V L coaches had named the award the “best player on the best team that did the best this year” they would have made this whole deal easier to suss out. They didn't so it isn't. The award though, IS for Most Valuable Player, and the emphasis (in my mind, anyhow), is upon VALUE. I made an argument for a kid who I felt provided his team an enormous amount of value; arguably the most value to his team of any player in the league. I suspect his Coach did the same.

I don't have a problem with someone taking issue with what I wrote or even my line of reason, (such as it is). I will take exception with those who read something into my posts that isn't there.

2008 DRAFT - Thanks for the info. Had no idea there were videos on MILB of players you could watch.

Charge It - I know Tyler Pill is extremely glad that he does not have champion "hips" and don't count on your "priceless" happening. If I have something to say, you bet I'll say it. Fred doesn't vote on All-League selections. What is really sad is that Tyler gets along great with all of the players from other schools, so all of you negative bloggers are obviously jealous parents (probably from Northview). Your kids could care less. Maybe you should follow their example.

Plays in Sierra League covered by the SGVN

Chino Hills is not in the SGV. Congrats to Zack Collier projected 13th pick in the draft.

Congratulations to Dimitri De La Fuente South Hills High School, Danny Pertusati Damien High School, Zach Cillier Chino Hills High School and Tyler Pill Covina High School on being 4 of the 68 California high school seniors, all from the SGV with video on MLB.com draft tracker. All four should be considered for MVP. Good luck these next 2 days boys and in the future.

With all respect to Tyler Pill. There's no denying Tyler has had a great high school career but the 2007/2008 MVP is based on this seasons performance. The Scholarship to Cal State Fullerton was for his performances before this season.

Scholarship to Cal State Fullerton...
Game Over !

Pill ZERO Championhips

Andrade One Championship

Shutting up Mrs. Pill .....Priceless

Co-MVP......cop out!

Hey Fred you're up to bat!

hey HAHA -- don't knock it, a lot of great baseball players start at Citrus or Sac.

re: Don's post at 12:51.. Here is the thing though, you cannot really punish or take away from Andrade just because he is surrounded by so much talent.. On the flip side IMAGINE how much more HE would have stood out on the Colts, head and shoulders above, but he had to share all his success because he was around SO many good players whereas like Pill at Covina, that whole team's record was based on HIS performance GOOD OR BAD.... On the same token, even if Pill was that good on a NV team (which is where HE should have played-lol) it still shouldn't diminish his own talent - it just would have blended in unlike at Covina - where it stood out. Make sense? In other words - don't under estimate Marc's contribution JUST because NV was soooo good!! That kid is a stud! Disclaimer - this was in no way putting down Pill

Tyler Pill- CSUF

Andrade-Citrus

Don, actually your post was pretty clear. I did have a hard time trying to understand Say What's post though!

“Don????????What are you trying to say yer all over board Wit out the other NV dudes you mentioned they had more talent than some leagues??OK NV dad weall get it. You don make sense dude. FUll of crp.
Posted by: Say What? “

Re-reading my post, I can see where some might be confused by my unclear punctuation.

What I was trying to say was that with players like Williams, Fraijo, Arnold, the Pedrozi, Elias, Ramirez, Jones, Jaramillo, and the rest I would have favored Northview to win the Valle Vista League even without Marc Andrade.

Sorry for any confusion I may have caused.

You're on your own with any other confusion that may be present.

From what I hear, the MVP vote was a no-brainer to all of the coaches in the Valle Vista League, who obviously know more than all of us spectators. Having co-MVP's in not a new thing and is done quite often, especially with the talent in the VVL League. The difficulty was in choosing the players for the first and second teams. Everyone is going to have their opinion, but the only ones that count are the coaches'. Deal with it.

With the combination of players that some of the other teams had, Tyler Pill and Chris Drossel should have gone 12 - 0. There were some games neither had run support behind great pitching outings. Celebtate their success and don't hate. These are not life changing experiences, just some good recognition in their young lives.

Don????????What are you trying to say yer all over board Wit out the other NV dudes you mentioned they had more talent than some leagues??OK NV dad weall get it. You don make sense dude. FUll of crp.

Valle Vista coaches should hide their faces in shame! Co-MVPs...really. Let's see one is a CIF Champion and the other is what? Maybe the projection of Pill's long term projections and Idol worshipping made it so. Okay here's the logic on that one....The award is Pill's to lose BEFORE THE SEASON STARTS.....Opps....someone has a better season so Pill has to share it. Something smells in Covina and it STINKS! Call it the Hillary Factor.

Too bad the Valle Vista coaches don't publish their selection criteria for the MVP. Some folks clearly have different opinions on what makes a player valuable and I am sure a case could be made for a wide range of standards to base a choice on. I tend to assess value by weighing a player's contribution to his Team's overall success. Kevin Ponzo's 2007 season comes to mind in the V V L or even Kobe and this season's Laker's.

How would they have done without them?

Northview would have still won the V V L without Marc Andrade. Elias, Williams, Pedroza (2), Ramirez, Jones, Jaramillo, Fraijo, Arnold, et al. This was a team with more talent than some leagues.

On the other hand, the Colts weren't exactly overrun with stars; without Pill, Covina might not even have made the playoffs. With him, they went 10-5 in what turned out to be one of the toughest leagues in the Section.

MVP? I think so.

WOW MAN!!!Some real surprises here. Who put voted on this? The coaches?
MVP is a joke.

Why is Pill the co-mvp with andrade, that makes no sense at all. they beat covina all three times.