Breaking News: Thropay leaves Bishop Amat

jaf is the biggest wacko

Again, this season, Don remains the one sane mind in this blog-world of wackos

fellow Alum,

I followed Donnie closely throughout his time at Cal and got a chance to see him live a couple times. Agreed - very nice collegiate career... and a Cal diploma to boot!

My point was if Donnie was 6'0" he might have been a prospect for the next level. With the advent of the West Coast Offense and taller "possession" receivers, the NFL is slowly moving away from "vertically challenged" players in the secondary unless they serve dual purpose as a lightning quick kick returner. This may be the predicament that Chapelle Brown finds himself in.

I've stood next to him and if McCluskey is 5'9" then... I'm pretty happy. I've been trying to tell people that I'm a couple inches taller for a long time !:?)

Joe Amat

Donnie McCluskey was about 5-9 and he had a wonderful career at Cal. He earned his degree and he is doing very well after football life :)

Rob Hertel(Los Altos)
Dennis Sproul(Los Altos)
Pat Haden(Bishop Amat)...Damn I know there is more...
Fill me in Joe...

More trivia.

Name the SGV QBs that have played in the NFL.

Donkey Boys parents: Mr. Ed and Frances the Talking Mule.

Donkey boy saw you in Shrek, great work, you were funny. Keep up the good work.

back to the barn huh? ok I will tell your mom you said hello.

What Happened to Amats former player Vincent Federico? I do not see him anywhere on the New Mexico Lobos Roster. Cody Neeley is there from Amat. Did Vincent give up his football career? Is he out due to injury. Joe Amat floor is yours?

Donkey-Boy

Please go back into the barn where it's safe.

You're getting out way to much in the sun and the sun-stroke is starting to set in real bad right about now.

great grandpa joe amat
I have said before my school is who ever is kicking amats ass that week. This week my team is los osos.

I remember Brown being a good athlete and saw him play hoops. He had a good football career at New Mexico, but he went undrafted and I don't see him on the Bengals roster.

http://www.bengals.com/team/Roster.asp

Did he latch on with someone else?

But as far as Los Altos goes, if Harwell plays like he did yesterday - he sure may have a chance. And cousin Chappelle - he's playing Big 12 football brotha' ( Dan Hawkins - love him! ) But 5'7" kinda hurts and the trend is to moving taller DBs. Kind of puts him in a pinch like Donnie McLuskey from Amat was at Cal

But you still might have a couple more in the next two years

Los Altos...
Travis Brown(Bengals)
Shaun Cody(Lions)

Hey Donkey-Boy with the stuttering finger - open to anyone - even your unnamed school.

Jason David - Charter Oak grad. Spot you another easy one - Shaun Cody - Los Altos.
Your turn, from your alma mater... oh... never mind.
Next

is there anything more boring than amat trivia? yes amat fans

JFR,

Nice !:?)

The quarterback IS the defacto leader regardless of perception or performance.

"Craft "led" UCLA in the first half.

Custer "led" the troops to the Battle of the Little Bighorn

You get the picture

JoeAmat, Your opening question was to lead, am I wrong? Just trying to touch all bases. P.S. Klan chowder, that doesn't mean baseball.

Aaahhh JFR... Trix are for kids!:?)

Here's another one - let's brainstorm.

Present NFL players from the SGV? I'll spot you Jason David, who was listed below.

Talent. Potential. Production.

Don't mistake the three. The player that plays will always be the one that best allows the team to win... on Friday.

After the previous couple of years, wouldn't it be foolish for an Amat coach to do otherwise?

Joe Amat,
That was a Trix question. As always you are a step ahead.

It would have been nice to see him develop under Chris Rix. Unfortunately he is not the only coach over at Amat. Hagerty has his own agenda and connections he has to deal with. Despite the talent he is going to put in his buddies kid.

Chris Rix was a Bishop Amat QB in '96 - '98, after which he committed to FSU. If I remember, we were located in the SGV back then as well.

A little trivia about his one year at Santa Margarita. He spent a portion of that season at wide receiver.

The judges say... Rix is the correct answer.

Joe Amat, Rix didn't play in the SGV. I protest!

didn't Rix finish his HIGH SCHOOL CAREER AT SANTA MARGARITA

Smith in 2000 was a great guess and Brian Harmon from Amat led SD St to a bowl game in '98. But I was going for Amats former QB and current QB coach, Chris Rix.

In 4 years starting for Bobby Bowden Florida State went to 4 straight bowl games (though he didn't get to play in one of them -OUCH!- but that's beside the point!:?) The final one was in 2004 (3 years after Smiths Fiesta Bowl blowout of Notre Dame)

I think he learned a bit from the winningest coach in NCAA D1 history and his tutoring by Steve Clarkson of Air7 fame. I was looking forward to him working with a raw 6'5" sophomore and seeing how he developed against the toughest competition around. Especially under a staff that wouldn't be opposed to throwing the ball around if a QB were to eventually develop. Hags has shown that to be true in the past.

Of all the skill positions, QB is scrutinized against the quality of competition the most because so much of what they do cannot be measured in a combine. 40 time, vertical, squat, etc do not translate as much as they do with a RB, WR, DB, etc. The "look test" is not as tell-tale as it is for lineman. It's about what you do against what type of competition. So for all of the great QB's in the valley recently that have hailed from South Hills and threw for miles of yards, and CO/LA Qb's that won championships (Aguilar. Leadingham, Perri, etc) there is always that "shadow of a doubt" on whether they can do it at the next level.

EXPOSURE is a huge reason a parent may move their gifted athlete to a school that "gets" more....grantid, if the athlete is superb they will get looked at anywhere, colleges, etc. will find them. But, for some parents, the only way they can send their kid to college, is by scholarships so they need those colleges to find & look at them...but I do agree, most kids want to stay with their childhood pals and teammates.....

Donkey-boy

Please don't post using my name ok.

The answer to the trivia i think would be SANTA MARGARITA"S

CHRIS RIX

Will the Kid have to commit to wearing a robe and hood to go along with going to CO for football.?

What is the connection with the best players at Amat ending up at UCLA and not USC?.. Are the players at Amat not good enough to get a call from The Trojans Brass.

Charter Oak also had a kid a few years back named Jason David who played 4 years at washington state won a superbowl title with the colts. So yes the kid can be recuited and do well at CO.

Is the trivia answer Chris Rix or Paul MacDonald?

sevenduece, He blew his knee out two years ago and is 2nd string safety, he did play in the thrashing over virginia.

Prime suspect:

I admire your reasonableness ... and most of your reasoning.

The fact is most parents who want to move a kid to a school with a competitive football or baseball or basketball program will find a way to do so. Amat is certainly one option, but there are kids everywhere who have been moved for one reason or another. The sad thing is that most of these parents aren't doing it for the right reasons.

Reason #1: Junior will earn a scholarship because the coaching/competition/exposure is better

Reason #2: Junior will develop as a human being and a student-athlete better in a more competitive environment

Reason #3: Junior will get to play the position Dad thinks he ought to play, (when Dad thinks he ought to play)

Reason #4: Junior's exploits will get more attention at a prominent school and Dad/Mom can play the big shot

Reason # 5: Better educational opportunity

These are 5 of the dozen or more common reasons to move a kid from one school to another. What's too bad is that #'s 1, 2, and 5 are commonly declared while the more common 3 and 4 are almost never heard out loud.

As far as kids competing for their local schools, most parents are just as happy having Junior be the big frog in his local pond as they are having him battle and strive three years for a one year crack at starting. If you polled the kids, an even higher percentage of them would be happy playing with their childhood pals.

Was it Smith playing for OSU Beavers out of Glendora, I could be wrong with the name.

good grief has a very valid point. the amount of exposure a player gets at amat dwarfs the other schools in the area. didn't charter oak have a great kid some years ago? if i'm not mistaken, his name was harris. i believe he went to usc. how did he fair there? is he still there? just a thought i had as i was writing.

Trivia Time!
Name the last SGV Quarterback to lead a NCAA Division1-A school to a bowl game.

good grief
another amat donk. Amat is not the only school he will get seen at fool. If the kid has talent he will get seen at Charter Oak. And at CO he will have a chance to win some games unlike at Amat

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Bad decision by his parents. No patients with a program. As a sophmore and 6'5" to boot, he should have waited in line and been a good team guy while reaping the benefits later as he starts at a School like Bishop Amat. Josiah would eventually be playing and preforming at the highest level of play known as the Division 1 Pac5 Division. There are so many scouts scouting the league and non league opponents Bishop Amat plays. Orange Lutheran / Loyola / Crespi / Sherman Oaks Notre Dame / Los Osos / Chaminade / St/ Francis. His parents got led down the wrong road and his career may never recover....Nice going Dad!

They tried that in Orange County when Mater Dei, Santa Margarita and Servite all went into public school leagues.

All hell broke loose and that's what eventually led to moving Orange Lutheran into a Catholic League (which had some opposition) and moving JSerra into the leagueLONG before they were ready to compete at that level. That was the creation of the all OC Trinity league and the "ousting" of Loyola and Amat.

Can you imagine the whinning if they ever did put Amat in a local SGV league? Then it would be like baseball,"A div. 5 ring doesn't mean a thing, they should be up in Div. 1"!

looks like 10 ass kickings coming to me for amat

Don,
thanks for your reply.

Actually you further my point because the open enrollment policy enables the "recruiting" intentionally or not. The recruiting is and always will be done "under the table" by both public and private schools ala open houses, the "feeder" programs, other parents, etc.
Hell, once schools and fans become "creative" the internet will be sure to open new facets of recruitment.

I'm not anti-Amat, I just feel that the current atitude is "Amat or the neighbor school down the street..." meanwhile you have Tommy "4.4" Cogburn playing against Mountain View on Friday night along side players who aren't near his level.
The situation at San Dimas looks a little silly.
Aaron Harris at BP was ridiculous.
Mike McDonough playing QB(better suited LB)AT Covina?!?
Don't even get me started on the Tim Gilmore situation, don't whether to laugh or pull my hair out...
Duarte has a bunch of track stars with 5-6 245 or 6-1 215 lineman blocking for them playing against Azusa...
those same Duarte track stars could be better football players with better coaching.

The SGV could have a serious league if the SGV got serious.

South Hills
Los Altos
Charter Oak
West Covina
Diamond Ranch
Damien
Glendora

...heck throw Amat in and you have an upper division league, this would all be in the next 6-8 years of "stocking" of course.

Shorten it to
LA
CO
SH
Damien
BA

...even better.

AHC.
EVERY team on Amat's schedule is ranked in the Top 20 in their preseason poll. I'm certain no one else can make that claim. THAT'S competition.

#1 Los Osos
#3 Orange Lutheran
#6 West Covina
#10 Damien
#2 Diamond Ranch
#10 St. Francis (Western Division)
#11 Chaminade (Western Division)
#16 Loyola
#2 Crespi
#19 Notre Dame (SO)

Congratulations. now you have two AA meetings to go to!

Competition in order to compete at the highest level...DONT GO TO AMAT

Don,
YOU are this boards voice of reason, and should be the official arbiter of all disagreements/discussions/debates.
Nice job!

AHC is free:

What you see as “cockyness”, I see as pride.

I'd just as soon not consider anything as toxic as hating a school or it's teams or it's fans. Too much wasted energy.

Good luck with the club.

Prime suspect:

Your point is taken although I am a long time advocate of “open enrollment”, allowing parents to enroll their kids in any school in any district that would have them. This of course is not “recruitment” which would be the active role of the school or the school's representative seeking out and soliciting talent which I don't believe happens.

The fact of the matter is you would be hard pressed to find a school that doesn't have kids from outside the area/district in attendance. Some of them play sports. At some schools, Charter Oak, South Hills, and Los Altos among others, families have sought out competitive athletic programs Other schools have kids who may have had security issues at their neighborhood school and looked around for a safer learning environment. Good for them all, I hope they and their families find what they want.

As far as the Mission Viejo and Poly thing goes I can tell you that the Long Beach Unified School District allows students from the entire district to enroll at the High School of their choice; the district also welcomes students whose parents work in the district to enroll in the LBUSD. For some reason, kids who like football and track end up at Poly, (the better baseball players seem to favor Lakewood). FWIW, I have a pal who lives in Lakewood, within the LBUSD and works in Long Beach as a cop. He sends his some to Los Alamitos.

The JAA, Travel BB, club soccer things were all fun for the kiddies. I tried to not take any of them too seriously.

Enroll at CO if you are a racist. also Cameron Deen , if he was that great why does he not have a commitment yeat to a college. I dont see any takers yet. Let me guess he is leaving his options open. He is a D7 QB at best and plays low level competition. Heck is Blake Tillis is QB'ing Hampton, I guess Deen is going straight to the NFL.

HEY Rchk
CAN't you man up (UNLESS YOUR A LADY) and stop blaming "dirty play" for your misfotune at losing to BIG CO. It's ok to lose to the most sucessful team in the East Valley.

Yeah, CO should be in D-1 if you want to talk higher level of competition. They beat Orange Lutheran, Crespi in passing league. Let's see how AMAT does against them. HA

Competition in order to compete at the highest level...

http://rivalsradio.rivals.com/content.asp?SID=1135&CID=831860

If you can't handle it, transfer out...

AHC
Sign me up. I am no longer am rooting for amat.

AHC

What a joke. You now have two people in you're club. One of them is a clown (you) and the other one is a Jack-Ass (Donky Boy).

I only wonder which one of you is the president of the club ?

Don,
but you see, that isn't the point.
The point is that if the SGV put stock or rather stocked only a few programs namely 3 or 4 including Amat, then we'd(the SGV) have more than just one "upper" division representative.

But until the SGV get's rid of it's recruiting is a "dirty" word AYSO mentality this will never happen.

The days of the Los Altos, South Hills, Bishop Amat powerhouses can exist again, but unfortunately most of the area parents are living through there kids and never played a down in their life, so they don't know first hand that recruiting has been a vital part of the game since FOREVER!!

Do you think all of the Mission Viejo kids are from MV?

OR
all the LB Poly kids are from Long Beach?

Take your cues from travel team baseball, club soccer, POP WARNER, JAA, etc.

ahc
count me in. amat is full of donkeys and they suckkkkk

ahc
count me in. amat is full of donkeys and they suckkkkk

Don
What the hell do you care if you didnt go to amat? Do you not see the cockyness of the posters on this blog? They all think their s*** doesn't stink because they went to amat. Most of these posters are old farts who went to amat in the 80's when amat was actually good. They love to sit around the fire pass the beer the gas and talk about " the old times". I don't respect any of these amat fans because of this cockyness. I love to see them fall flat on their faces.

I am starting a new club. It's called AHC. Amat hate club. I am the president and membership is free. Sign up SGV football fans!!

is his new amat team cleats match co's colors so he went there. end of story.

Dear Anti-Amater's (AA),

Why is it so easy to bash the Lancers? Is your own hometown favorite so pathetic you would rather not mention them by name?

What is so threatening to you about Amat that you are willing to bounce your argument from sport to sport, decade to decade?

How can it be so personal? Were you frightened by a Lancer mascot as a child?

When will you understand that as our only Pac-5 Team, Bishop Amat is the #1 representative of High School sports in the area?

Now I am not an “Amat guy”, a grad, or a parent of one, just a football fan. As a matter of fact, as I have said here before, I was th at close to being a Swordsman. Brrrrrrrr. I do realize that the football at B A isn't what it was but I TOTALLY RESPECT the fact they refuse to back down and step down. Good on them. I also know that the HEART of the school, the former students, players, coaches, and parents continue to do what they can to return the Lancers to the top of the heap.

Maybe the new regime will bring a return to glory and maybe not. Either way, only a fool would bet against it in the long term.

Amat just isn't destined to play in a division with a lot of V's and X's.

Over Your Head,

Seriously, just for kicks go back and read ANY post from me last Sept, Oct, or Nov. According to many of the amat following at the time I was the Devil incarnate. You see, I am a realist - NOT an apologist. Go back and read. When we're bad - I will say we're bad. We are not what we once were. I've said that over and over. When we are not doing what we need to do to compete - I'll say so. Look it up. And for the last couple years we were BAD and were not prepared - I said so. Incessantly.

For a couple years before that we were a "good" team - not great. It'd be nice to be great. There are very few of those. None in the SGV right now. We have been... maybe we even could be again, but I'd settle for being as good as we can be - EVERY YEAR! Good teams win some games they should - maybe even win some they shouldn't (that's what separates them from average teams), but lose some they *could* win. We've done that.

But the way to fix it isn't to drop down and settle for mediocrity at a mediocre level. That doesn't tell you anything. It certainly doesn't teach kids anything. So yes, I agree.The way to fix it is to offer a product that attracts the kind of athletes necessary to compete and prepare them to so so. I think the new staff has a chance to do that. We'll see.

Hey Fred and Steve,...I mean "the shinning"!

At it again, eh?

Hey, how many of you pretty well know that about half the pro-Amat post monikers are actually FRED and STEVE?

Just post "I"...

show them that you aren't that gullible or stupid.

You amat fans are hilarious. You brag about stepping up to play the best when you havent have a title contenteding team in what 13 years? Why amat would want to step up to beat the best when they havent have a team that can win those games. Amat doesnt have the horses to beat the pac 5 teams and hasnt had one in years. If 6-4 and 5-5 makes you happy more power to ya. If playing the big boys and having a .500 is a goal then you amat people are misguided as usual. Even though teams like Charter Oak Los Altos and South Hills are good programs and win titles, they know their place is in lower divisions. You Amat fans act like playing the big boys and getting your ass handed to you is something to brag about right Joe Amat?? If losing builds character than Amat must have a lot of it.

Joe Amat come now. You have been spewing that garabage about amat beating Damien, CO and Los Altos like its something to brag about. Lets see division one team able to recruit anywhere versus lower level division six and seven local teams who can recruit but on a limited basis. Amat is SUPPOST to win those games. Get off your high horse and admit that Amat is not the program it once was. It's time Amat drops out of Division One so it can compete because Lord knows its in over its head in Division 1

As always JoeAmat stands above us all as the smartest man on this blog, not to mention the voice of reason. Some of the mentions on this thread have been the worst I've seen in a couple of years, mine included.

Hey JFR. You have me confused with someone else. I have NEVER lost to CO as a player, a coach or had any of my kids lose to CO. I just happen to live in the CO school district. My kids go to private school. And yes they have played CO and beaten CO on all levels.

Deal with it!

I think that it's the same principle in anything, when you have a choice compare yourself against the best- you do so. Whether it's academics, business, or on the courts or fields.

Yes we were invited to a prestigious tournament - and accepted. Didn't have to. Could have hosted our own and scheduled the likes of Duarte or University to be in our pool and get some wins. Or not! That would have really tested us, wouldn't it?. You don't like the 4 nationally ranked teams Amat played in the tournament? Fine. How's Damien, St Francis, and Loyola for choices? It sure beat playing Monrovia or Ganesha and Pomona - don't you think?. Maybe you can say Chatsworth?

And again - Division 5 is just a number, isn't it? I find it interesting that the D4 runner-up actually finished ranked *lower* than the D5 runner-up. So *maybe* D5 was tougher than you think anyway.

But "back to football". I think that what started that exchange (besides the random drive-bys and haters) was when "SLAKER" (I think he meant SLACKER) asked if BA could compete with the Chargers. It was pointed out that the last time they played... well... they did. So really, the scoreboard WAS doing the talking in that sense.

And the thinking is completely consistent in all sports. If you are going to claim to be the best then step up and play someone in the games that you can choose - and prove it. If you refuse to do that at some point during the season - you really have no room to talk. If you do and take care of business - then you can. If you get beat - tip your hat and say nice game. At least then you really know how you compare. Amat does this in all sports except for boys basketball. But that's a different discussion for a different day.

for reality chick - and your logic for baseball?? and please do not mention the ONE tournament, you were invited ONLY because you were a DIVISION WINNER but then again it was DIVISION 5 !!!!! BUT BACK TO FOOTBALL -- try being humble and let your "supposed" team do the talking

>>>sorry-I'd rather go 5-5/6-4 in D1 against the best than 8-2/9-1 in D6 and never know how I really stack up. That's the plight of the other valley schools.

sports and academics are two different topics. You were talking football. Enjoy that average team of yours this season

donk.
so who's better, the biochem major at an Ivy League school with a B average or the A-student who's a PE major at Cal St LA?
Average -according to what? Average compared to the best teams or the best of the average teams?
If you don't step out of the box and play the best at some point of the season-you'll never know?

reality donk.

you be happy with 5-5 and 6-4 with NO TITLE. Amat hasnt won crap in 13 years. What dumb logic. When a kid looks back on his HS career all he cares about is winning a ring. Just like your boys baseball team will winning that GIRLS title. It just goes to show you are happy with being average. Cant wait for the amat ass kicking this year to begin. donk!!

Here are Hags comments about this freds article

"His (Thropay's) father wasn't very clear with me other than he didn't like the picture of the quarterback situation and where his son fit in," Hagerty said. "I wished him luck, shook his hand and said goodbye."

It's not a huge surprise that Thropay left, but Hagerty was still disappointed.

"If parents do this all the time, they're headed for disaster," Hagerty said. "Nobody can guarantee everything.
"When you're in a competitive environment, you have to compete and you have to earn it. But the bottom line is if you're moving your kid around based on whether or not he's going to play, you're sending the wrong message. But hey, I wish him the best of luck."

Love that comment at the end. Its like Hags is bashing the kid for not competing then at the end saying hey i wish you luck. On top of that Hags is friends with the senior QB's family. No wonder the kid left. I would have too dealing with that bad situation. It's like a soap opera at Amat. As Amat turns will continue after this commerical message.

Time Will Tell

CO is D7 now (Southeast division). Which by the way is the same division that South Hills plays in. So, according to you SH QB Cameron Dean, has no chance at being seen by a major college recruiter, or getting a scholly to a major college???

That's right, I forgot, amat is the only place to play in the SGV if you're looking to play ball in college. I mean, why do the other SGV schools even bother to maintain a football program at all. What's the point, with the all mighty amat around, there should be no reason to enroll anywhere else.

Can't argue with 2000 years of catholic logic, can we???

when you're holding onto you're manhood.

Its comments like this which motivate us to rag on amat fans. get some class would ya jcaz?? donkey

sorry-I'd rather go 5-5/6-4 in D1 against the best than 8-2/9-1 in D6 and never know how I really stack up. That's the plight of the other valley schools.

and play behind the senior QB at CO? or be ineligible and play JV? whoever gives the team the best opportunity to compete NOW is the one that plays!

Judging from how many comments on this article, I'd say Amat fans are hurting. I say good job parents, removing your child from a no win situation. How can you compete when the head coach is friend's with the senior quarterback's family. You are in a lose, lose situation. Just another example of the politics at a private school. Who ever donates the most money or knows the right people wins. I say congratulations on seeing the light before your son actually gets in on the politics. You got out at the right time. Good luck.

D-1-that's a joke. Amat should be brought down a few pegs. They are just too proud to admit it. When you are getting slaughtered by all the other D-1 teams they should take a hint.

Such a shame, maybe you should go talk to Hagerty. If you don't know what you are talking about, don't talk. It is amazing how this story has gotten so many people giving their stupid opinions. If it had been anyone else transfering nobody would care. Why can't people just do what they need to do and quit assuming things. And it wasn't because he wasn't going to start, anyone that knows anything about this situation knows this.

Hags called MR. Thorpays bluff and send them packing "What Josiah is not starting?" "He has always started since JAA". "He is 6'5" and if you want him here at Amat for three season then he starts or we leave". Hags "good luck to you" Love that Amat and Hags did not flinch in accomadating this type of parent. It will not be the first time or the last time head coaches get this put to them and Hags handled it with class and professionalism. Good for him. Amat will not e held hostage by this situation nor should ant other coach or school. I hope the parents of CO number two QB behind Allen dont move their kid because of this transfer.

As just a mom put it how many kids went on to next level last year out of the SGV, well you can count them on your hand and most likely do not remember them by name. So if you do the math and all you football parents think you have the next comming of some superstar that going to get you out of paying college tuition think again only so many get the opportunity and the success rate is very low. It is the parents who know they have that next level kid that do not move him or transfer him. The rest of these parents are all fools think their kid is the next great one. It has got to be like one in every 500 that gets to go to the next level. This being football well you know if you have a next level kid...dont kid yourself.

I dont know what all the fuss of this kid is about, he transfered and will still ride the pine. The only reson it is news is because of the school he left Bishop Amat. He is a sophmore and will not play at the varsity level this season. When and if this kid makes a name for himself playing football then I could see all the drama but until then this is just another Amat story an all you fools are buying into it. As one blogger noted it is only HS and the only so many get to the next level, so seeing that this kid had not done shi- lets leve it at that until he does. I do believe his parents are just misguided and do not know what they are doing. Leaving a D1 play in the PAC5 school to go to CO of all places is plain stupid. Their choice but they must have recieved bad advice or maybe they cannot afford to send him to private school. If he is as good as what the parents claim then they should have taken him to high profile school. CO is a D6 school for football. That is not where he is going to get noticed. Great steal for Farr tho.

breaking up-the difference is that West Covina is not going around talking about how they are as good/better than Mater Dei. they took their ass-whupping and faced reality.
All schools can "recruit, as evidenced by out-of-area players on each school, and BTW-the "smaller" public schools is a misnomer. Amats enrollment is under 1500 students. FAR less than Glendora, CO, SH. or LA.

A MUST-READ!

Where does our pride come from?

http://www.latimes.com/sports/highschool/la-sp-hslbs31-2008aug31,0,4127742.column

Every time an SGV high school makes the LA Times, it's good for the entire area.

Breaking news

Man that sounded just as poetic as the stuff you read on the bathroom wall when you're holding onto you're manhood.

Anyway and for what it's worth, you seem to forget that it's always the low lifes who come in here and smack off on Amat that get these silly conversations going.

What are the Amat faithfull supose to do in this case ? I mean, let me ask you a fair question, what would you do or say to a person like "Donky Crap" or to Mr. "Drive-By who are always in here posting silly and stupid remarks each and every day ??"

You know the answer is quite simple here my good friend, and that is that if you don't want a big bad D1 school braging about knocking down the lesser programs in the valley, then don't mouth off right ?

It's pretty simple right...

hey reality check your the 5th grader that roams the playground and looks for the 2nd grader to beat up

amat is a private d1 school with the ability to recruit kids they should beat d6/7 charter oak south hills and los altos !!

hang your hot on beating smaller public schools becasue thats what champions do GUYYYY

im sure mater dei is still thinkin about the big west covina victory 2 years ago just like you hang your hat on beating charter oak

amats dead so deal with it

reality check...to sum up every person who has been affileated with amat in the last 8 years i would say this

JUST CUZ U WERE BORN ON THIRD BASE DOESNT MEAN U GO THROUGH LIFE THINKIN U HIT A TRIPLE

Wait a minute, Commie + Obama is REDUNDANT, not an Oxymoron, moron.

Dear Sanford and Son, Go back to collecting junk. I am paying the kid a compliment. Obviously you have not seen the talent potential. I will go back to my scouting.

My Pops was born in ARK and my mom in MIZZO. They were married here in 1955, does that make me a REDNECK you little a-hole. I hate people who hide behind a computer! FJR will tell you who I am when he covers my team.

mind your own business

why dont you mind YOUR own business? this is a blog and freedom of speech is welcomed here. if you dont like dont read it and just leave

it seems to me the people doing the bashing are those cocky amat fan. well amat fans your first a@@ kicking is coming vs los osos. get ready

I wonder how many of you out there know that coach Farrar's nephew on his team is AA. I love how one kid at a school made a very stupid inexcusable joke " by the way he is not caucasian " turns the school into a racist hotbed. I know this blog is 20% fact and 80% bashing, but try to know the truth before you shoot your mouths off.

all football dads at CO have a White uniform with a upside down cone shaped face cover....get it. Racism is very much alive in CO. The only AA that get a pass there are the ones that score TD's for them.

To just a mom,
Unless you have spoken to the child, I suggest you keep your comments to yourself. You have no clue what this child wants or the whole story behind this. The media does a great job of misrepresenting good people. So everyone back off and keep your opinions to yourselves.

Really pathetic - it's not what the kid wants, it's what the parents want - us parents, myself included, need to back off and let our kids be kids - for the love of God, it's just high school, many won't play in college and fewer still will make it to the Pros - whether we want to dream of it or not -

As a lover of prep football, I have observed several of Amat practices. Not knowing anything about the team, the one player that stood out was this tall quarterback, Thropay....He's got the stature and the arm of a Div I college football player...now, I will go back to my scouting

Reality czech,

Czech + Commie = Donkeyboy. One in the same.

BA FAN, stop playing old winning years and put up or shut up. See whats up and try to make the playoffs as a winner and not a coin toss. Perhaps players will stop jumping ship! Good luck and no more crying.

BA FAN, stop playing old winning years and put up or shut up. See whats up and try to make the playoffs as a winner and not a coin toss. Perhaps players will stop jumping ship! Good luck and no more crying.

Commie,
You are all wet. Calling CO a racist school. Check the enrollment figures. And we are a choke/racist school? We don't choke often. For your info the yearbook page you refer to was replaced during registration and available for all the students that purchased a yearbook and wanted a replacement. Check it out before you make accusations.

Donkey Boy-those were 4 productive posts that added great insight to the conversation.

don't forget about me

that's ok. let's make out.

sorry. i know i can be a real jerk sometimes.

reality czech,

as someone who's mentally disabled myself, I am offended by your use of the word "retarded".

This years seniors were freshman when the lancers destroyed CO, Glendora and Damien back-to-back-to-back. Then all three put their tail between their legs and dropped the series. This year Damien sacked up and renewed...Chargers?

Hey "COMMIES", the last time BA was a threat was so long ago the present players were in Jr All American. Talk smacck when you get back in the winners circle. Do you reall believe BA could compete wit Chargers?

Reality, I guess you didn't read it correctly, "the only people not crying are the BA backers." I was also up close for those two stompings that BA dished out.

Slaker,

I dont think commies meant the team or players I guess he meant the whole fricken CO Town. Obama for President.

Just
Freakin'
Reatrded-
i watched Amat smack CO twice up close and personal so don't lump me in with your commies.

commies+obama= OXYMORON

SGV FOOTBALL, REALITY CHICK, commies and all comers. I love how the team supporters who always are on the losing side to CO cry the LOUDEST! The only fans not crying are those from BA, go figure.

COMMIES, I really want to meet your SORRY A$$ in person pecker wood! Please make my dream come true JACK OFF! I would also love to debate you on your political views, you sound like a scholar.

HEY YOU RACIST DOGS, cohs is a well tuned school where a dumb kid did a dumb thing and you try to hang a racist tag on a good bunch of kids who play for a great coach 'Big LOU". The ONLY PROBLEMS THIS ISSUE BROUGHT OUT WAS THE SLEAZY BLOGERS LIKE THOSE WHO JUDGE WITHOUT FACTS.

and read what I wrote, "I sure wouldn't want to be judged for the rest of my life on ***what my dad did*** or what I said when I was 17."
I stand by that either way.

Chezh read what I wrote. I did say his Dad.. LOL

Chris never blasted Bowden-it was his dad. And if Chris did blast Amat on the way out (which I doubt), I sure wouldn't want to be judged for the rest of my life on what my dad did or what I said when I was 17.

hey smart move, why won't your DXXXI team schedule Amat again, if in fact your team is the winning program you declare it to be, just a thought, you guys crack me up, we open a big can of whup ass on you a couple of times, then 2 years later you want delete it from the record books, amazing........... and the talk that Amat recruits while implying Farrar,Bogan,Gano et al don't, even more amazing...buy a dog name him clue, then you'll have one. Amat 3 and 7 or 7 and 3.still head and shoulders over ANY team in the SGV

This is for Maturity etc.

Maybe he is a "Nice" guy now. It still does not account for years of being an "arse" and slamming Amat when he left, casue he got kicked out of Amat for cheating and for multiple violations. Its not different then when Rix's father blasted Bobby Bowden after he benched his innefective kid and said Bowden knows nothing about college football.

Next time before you stand up for someone and vouge for them think about what you are doing, maybe he is nice and changed. Still does not excuse his actions from the past and the things he did and say about Amat. Amat should be ashamed of letting him even on there campus after the crap he pulled in the past. So before you blast me again, you know nothing of the past and the infractions he and his family where part of. Hope the kid grew up, but still does not excuse any of his actions of the past against the school or coach's.

Great roll model Amat. Hire a guy who blasts your school on the way out when you do the right thing. Then Blast FSU when you get benched, saying Bowden cant coach etc.. LOL!!!

Fred,
First of all as someone who knows the family I have to step up and say something. Did you ever interview the family and get their side of the story. The travesty is what has been started here with you newspaper articles. It is a disgrace how a good family can be put in this light.
Nothing has been said about the real reason the Thropay's left Monrovia. Nothing has been said about their other son an incoming freshman. The move from Monrovia had nothing to do with football. The Thropay children have grown up in private Christian School their whole life. When their 2nd son was determined he didn't want to go to Monrovia this year when all the trouble was happening the parents looked into a private school close with a good football program naturally. It had nothing to do with Josiah but they wanted to keep their children together. Steve Garrison knew this but failed to mention it to you, Also that Josiah was to be their starter this year, anyone will tell you that.
Even though it would be a major financial burden the parents tried to work it going to Amat for their son's sake as he had a lot of friend's going there.

Not everyone wants to talk about their financial situation, as it is no one's business.
Why they chose Charter Oak is their business. When I spoke with the family they have the utmost respect for the coaches and the program at Bishop Amat. I am writing this in their defense and as the media goes everyone should know to take what you read with a grain of salt.

The interesting thing about the way that Hags is running the JV program is that they practice together. That way all kids get the benefits of varsity caliber coaching and reps against other varsity players. Those who don't get enough snaps under the Friday night lights have an opportunity to get some live game action in the JV contest (which often are the next day). The next week they have an opportunity to compete for time in that weeks varsity game.
Best of both worlds.

Thropay was doing just fine on the field and would have progressed thru that system just fine. Now CIF office has already stated that he will not be eligible at Charter Oak unless he moves or is granted a hardship-so he may end up playing JVs anyway. The thing about CIF and transfers is that you're always eligible somewhere... and right now the only school he's eligible at is Amat.

All I can say is CHARTER CHOKE / RACIST SCHOOL. Ever reprint those Year Books, I thought so. I dont see why any African American would want to play there. That whole community wants McCain hmmmmmmmm I wonder why...oh thats Right the other candidate is African American and his name is Barack Obama.. CO will hate it when we have the first African American President, Maybe CO can become part of Russia.

the kid looked around and said " I am in a losing program and i need to get out of amat" He went to a winning one in charter oak. smart move

Again as Hagerty said his parents were moving him around and that they questioned where he fit in the Amat rotation?...Well he may not play this year now on a varsity level? what did that solve? getting no varsity experience?..I did like the " I shook dads hand and Said good luck goodbye" from Hags. Hey is you want to play at Amat stick it out if you dont leave. We will do fine with or without this kid. I bet tho the kid is great in attitude and it is his parents that think he is the coming of Terry Bradshaw. Good Luck to him in all ways of course.

The CIF should hold firm and make him sit out a year. It really doesnt matter why he transferred, the intent of the rule is clear. To put him on the Charter Oak team would be a travesty. Of course, the way CO plays dirty, it fits right in!

This kid should think about transferring to San Dimas instead. The QB job would most likely be his next year! Will have some very good talent around him as well.

Transfers into Charter Oak may be hard to come by from next season on.

The jackass administrator in charge of CO attendance has decided that he is not allowing any student to transfer out of the district (especially to Glendora). He has angered most, if not all of the surrounding districts. From what I hear, these districts are going to disallow any proposed transfer into CO (whether it is an athlete or not).

The only way these football studs can get in is to buy a home in the CO district. They can buy mine...for the right price.

Easy Transfer to all

The reason Wells got in at south hills is because his family packed up and moved. With an adress change there is no loophole he simply moved.

As for Shirley he filed for hardship at West Covina and C.I.F. granted it to him, i think he is still working on his eligability though.

Easy Transfer to all

The reason Wells got in at south hills is because his family packed up and moved. With an adress change there is no loophole he simply moved.

As for Shirley he filed for hardship at West Covina and C.I.F. granted it to him, i think he is still working on his eligability though.

is it any shock that ANOTHER player has left amat? just like the last two years when players were leaving amat in droves. New coach same problems= players leaving the school

who says he won't play, he can play J.V. plus I heard he was going to play J.V at Bishop anyway but watch out next year baby. Sounds like Bishop lost a great QB

Brandon Brooks from Monrovia the big TE transferred to CO. Too bad for Josh T. I met the guy one time and he seemed hyped about this up coming season. He was very nice and well mannered for a young kid. Not playing is really going to hurt his development.

there are like 5-6 players at charter oak that played duarte hawks together. that all talk and know each other. its not surprising.

What about minding your own business. You people must really have nothing better to do or else you are very jealous of the fact that Thropay has left Amat. You have no idea why he left it is all speculation. Maybe his family can't afford it, give him them a break.

As for Rix, I agree people change and he is an awesome individual and is out to mentor young people.

Joe A.
I still say that's cheeting!!!!!!! If a kid does'nt play at a private school thaen he needs to go back to his previous school."ONE TRANSFER PER KID" if more than one then is cheeting.

passer by,
Or maybe we should call you by your real name, Drive By. What the hell do you care? You must be donkey boy or mr.sucks under your usual name, I mean, diaper change.

To: Passer BY

Have ever even spoken to Mr. Rix? Have you spoken to him lately?

I am going to guess that you have absolutely no clue as tgo what it is your commenting about.

I have had the Privlege [yes I did just say that] to meet both Mr. and Mrs. Rix, and get to know them on both a personal and professional level, you would know that he was a changed man... and he is nowhere near the same person that he was when he was in high school and for some part of college. Mr. Rix himself would be the first one to tell you he has matured.

If you had a knowledge of the type od person that he is today, you would know that he is probably one of the most respectful, well-educated, well-mannered persons that you will ever meet.

He is also family oriented and strong in his faith in God.

He now lives a principle, values, and good moral driven life.

So before you speak poorly against someone.... know who they are and they stand for. Also understand that people grow and mature, and are quiet possibly a lot different in their adult years than in thier juvenile years.

Also don't accuse BAHS and their coaching staff on hiring him solely on his skills and his abilities. Im sorry... BAHS may hire people because they are 'cost-effective', but they never go and get someone who will ruin unity and chemistry, and who will be a bad influence on the students at the school. In that category... they still have a reputation to preserve.

If Wells got into So Hills Last year I dont see why Thropay cannot get to CO roster this year. Also Shirley to South Hills from went Covina for baseball this year. Find a loophole and it is easy to do I dont care how many rule book BS Joe Amat prints.

Good answer Joe.

As usual, you are the Blue Book go to guy.

Don

How in the heck is Rix back at Amat coaching when he was thrown out of that school for cheating countless times. Just go's to show how much Amat wants to bring back the glory years.

They will bing back the dude they kicked out for cheating etc!

wow

dr,

Thropay left, along with others at Monrovia, after a string of violent crimes in the city. Whether they really needed to or not, the reality is that *every* player on that team could have left, filed a hardship and CIF would approve it in a New York minute (sorry for the pun NY). That's because CIF makes nearly every decision based on whether it would hold up in a court of law. Any hardship dealing with a student/athletes safety or emotional well-being that has an ounce of supporting evidence gets questioned very little.

Now they could also return to their previous school and be immediately eligible, providing they didn't play in any contests at School B

But in JTs case it was even easier to transfer TO Amat. CIF rules say that a player can transfer before the first day of his sophomore year without penalty. Easy and done deal - no change of residence necessary.

*******************************************
***But everyone needs to catch this***
There is a caveat to the transfer before the first day of the sophomore year and that is"

from the CIF Blue Book Rule 207, A, 3 (pg. 76)

A student may have transfer eligibility provided the student moves from any school to a CIF school due to:

A family decision to transfer the student prior to the first day of the student’s third consecutive semester (typically the first semester of the sophomore year) of attendance since the initial enrollment when the following conditions are met:

a. *****This is the first transfer of this student since his/her initial enrollment in the 9th grade*****
************************************************

I hope that the Thropays and Charter Oak have not overlooked that clause and are not assuming that since it's before his sophomore year a second transfer is a done deal. According to that rule eligibility is not necessarily a slam-dunk

All of that is a little different than a player making a transfer requiring a change of address, not moving and filing a hardship-then playing before the hardship was approved. Only to get caught and complain that it was a "paperwork mistake". It wasn't a paperwork error it was a matter of assuming it would be approved and playing before it was ultimately denied. THAT would be defined as cheating.
Sound familiar?

BIG BAD LA IS BACK!!!!

You're getting a little carried away on four thread.

Settle down little boy, you're not Big, maybe Bad or just high...

LOS ALTOS FOOTBALL!!!!

LOS ALTOS FOOTBALL!!!!

LOS ALTOS FOOTBALL!!!!

4 MORE SCHOOL DAYS!!!

LETS TURN THIS MUTHA OUT!!!!

Personally I don't think it is anyone's business. Obviously you peope have nothing better to do than involve yourselves in what is none of your business. Let this kid do what he needs to do and leave him alone.

Fred

Isn't this cheeting!!!
No, If his paper work is done correctly then it's not cheeting. Should'nt this kid be going back to Monrovia? I guess if Co,SH,LA " ALL PUBLIC SCHOOLS" do this and the paper work is done correct then it's not cheeting. But if it is done wrong then your a cheeter. Maybe these schools get treated differantly than other schools?I think this kid should be going back to the HS he came from. Who else out their thinks I'm right.

This is why. Can't handle a snap?

Behind Bynes, the Pirates' depth chart is paper-thin. Three other quarterbacks took snaps on Saturday, with freshman Darius Jackson showing promise on a late scoring drive. But redshirt freshman Devon Jarrett and freshman Blake Tillis each struggled to sustain a drive — and, in some cases, to handle the snap.

and Michael Jordan wanted to play varsity when he was a sophomore but got cut and had to play jvs. it doesn't have to happen in a hurry-and he made it work ok-didn't he?

Forget all the speculation. Maybe the kid just wants to play football and wants to go somewhere where he will get to do that. Forget all the politics.

i, and i suspect not many on this blog know exactly why thropay left amat. the point is he's gone and it is a disappointment for the team. one thing is certain, however, the show must go on. if i'm not mistaken, there is a game 7 days away at 7:30pm and amat, i'm sure, will be there with the kids who are ON the team. good luck to the young man and i hope he and his family find what they are looking for in a high "school" program.

What makes you think that McClanahans dad does not want him as the QB his senior year. He could have easily moved Jerry out this year and got him a starting job at QB this his junior and next year his senior year. Dad is keeping him there knowing he is the next in line.

Go ask Tillis, Tamayo, Castaneda, and Ramirez (RB) why they all left Amat. Tillis is on a D1 roster for Hampton College, you would think he would have Started at Amat but he didn't. what is up with that???

As usual you all are way off base. Thropay had the oppty and was moving along nicely. He deinitely was going to be the future at BA. What happened has nothing to do with football and nothing to do with who was going to start when. Thropay has some small isssues that he has to address and he will be able to address them at CO without any embarrassment. CO got lucky with this kid and he will be a good one. His little brother is going to to be way better than him tho. Remember, you heard it here.

OR McClannahan is an all league receiver his three years and Thropay could have developed in a solid QB while McClannahan played baseball. We'll never know because a Father felt that his son should be given a spot.

The only Politics now is what will happen at Charter Oak. I heard they had some good young Qbs.

I don't think there is anyone "in-line" for next year or that the senior is written in stone. I think it was very important for the new staff to, as you say, give everyone a fair chance at the spot. In their eyes, no one is the clear cut favorite - hence the competition remains open. But I do think that the staff understands the advantage of having a returning and experienced QB at the helm. Revolving 1st year starting QBs every year with the senior getting the nod is not always great. So if Jerry were to move to receiver and JT was the backup this year, Thropay could have had two years starting at Amat as well.

You cannot accomadate everyone. I know Mcclanahan is a WR but he also is a QB, what does that say to him if he is not given a fair shot at QB next year only to keep Thorpay? The parents smelled that Jerry McC. is next in line for next year. Thats Amat politics. Plus you think they want to piss off the McC's with Jerry being a solid baseball player as well. Ruiz has nothing to with this. Ruiz scare away a 6'5" QB, I dont think so. The chance to QB 2 yrs as opposed to 1 is what swayed these parents. Jerry McClanahan is next years QB and this years Backup with or without Thropay there at Amat.

BB&G,

I kind of think Jerry McLanahan would have spent time at receiver this year and Thropay would back up Lenhart, even getting some significant snaps. Ruiz is a pretty polished little QB, but Thropay probably has a higher long-term ceiling and Rio probably would have been his understudy. And Rudy, his dad, is not as high maintenance as people make him out to be. Great guy, loves to talk to you-so he'll appear involved. But I think he will be supportive too. I hope that the threat of Ruiz in the wings didn't scare Thropay away... but if it did maybe that says something his confidence and competitive spirit.

Competition is good and certainly doesn't scare QBs away from USC. Mustain transfers in from Arkansas knowing that Sanchez is the golden boy and Corp is the big recruit. Then their presence certainly doesn't scare Mater Deis Barkley away from going there next year. Kids, and probably more importantly Parents, are so concerned with the instant gratification that they might not look ahead as clearly as they should.

If this goes down, Good luck to Thropay... I think he's going to be a good one

Too bad, I think he would have started next year throwing Jerry McClanahan. The funny thing is that his younger brother is still there on the freshman team. Go figure.

Winning breeds Transfer in's. Are there not other ex- Monrovia players over at CO this season. Hummm I wonder where this idea came from.? CO has been a successful program, it is a good fit for him. Amat let a good one get away. The theroy of a rotating QB system at Amat was a last ditch effort to save this kid from leaving.

Competition breeds excellence. There are no guarantees. Thropay could work his way to being a starter by next year and have McClanahan as his main target. I would think it would have served the team's best interest if that scenario occurred. Instead we see another parent transferring his son to his third high school.

I can't believe that Charter Oak did not have a QB waiting in the wings. Looks like Charter Oak is becoming the new Los Altos. Transfer in and you will start. Forget the kids who have been working hard for two and three years.

The word on Ruiz out of the Bishop camp is he isn't all that and his father is High Maintenance.

There goes that Dominoe effect at Bishop Amat. Hope this is the only one jumping ship. I guess with Allen being a Senior, Thropay seems the logical fit to start for CO next year, his junior year. With Jerry McClanahan being a Junior the QB job is Jerry's next year as a senior. I can see where his parents want him to Start QB'ing his Junior and Senior years where at Amat he would only start his senior year, I dont think this has anything to do with the Ruiz Kid there. There sounds like a wait in line system going on at Amat with the senior being the front runner, unless McClanahan beats out Lenhart??I doubt it tho. Good move on the parents part. Parents also forget that opportunity knocks when injuries occur, but he is a shoe in to play two years at CO. It is not a bad move. With this move tho this now increases Ruiz chances tremendously after McClanahan.

hang your hat on beating charter oak and being ducked by south hills and los altos...pretty sad if u ask me

ill trade a week 3 loss for a 6-5 quarterback any day

Jeremy:We have already played you guys for two seasons,both wins for Amat.Dont think CO would re-new contract.

now all we need is for these two programs to schedule one another for the 2009, 2010 and 2011 seasons. I'd love to see these two programs go head to head over the next several seasons

anyone else? start a public vs. private rivalry in the san gabriel valley that would give the smudgepot game a run for the money and replace the mayors trophy game that glendora and charter oak stopped playing