Football: Tribune Top 10

AND YOUR FAVORITE SH!!

Fred

Looks like WC, DR and Bonita all DROP!

Good game by both freshman teams today in West Covina...Amat 28, West Covina 6...amat frosh is now 3-0..

Posted by: goodgame

Now that deserves a #1 ranking.

My prediction was Canyon 29, Bonita 13, missed it by 1 point. Canyon 17, Bonita 3.

GOTTA LOVE THAT SHITTY MATH

My prediction was Canyon 29, Bonita 13, missed it by 1 point. Canyon 17, Bonita 3.

GOTTA LOVE THAT SHITTY MATH

My prediction was Canyon 29, Bonita 13, missed it by 1 point. Canyon 17, Bonita 3.

GOTTA LOVE THAT SHITTY MATH

Stevie R., get ready to change the score on the top ten.
My prediction was Canyon 29, Bonita 13, missed it by 1 point. Canyon 17, Bonita 3.
I'm still sticking to the Saints - Montclair prediction 49-9, even without our "Special K" Kyle Withem. Kyle's doing fine. There seems to be unproven accusations that led to his uneligibility. He plans on clearing things up as soon as possible. I wish him luck.

FYI: San Dimas Freshmen undefeated 3-0. San Dimas Junior Varsity undefeated 3-0.

Let's GO SAINTS!!

Hey Coach Layton.. ( Diamond Ranch)

Pshhh "All the way in one play" :)

Good game by both freshman teams today in West Covina...Amat 28, West Covina 6...amat frosh is now 3-0..

amatworriedstaff,
i doubt very seriously that anyone on amat's staff is the person writing those posts. i'm certain they are confident enough in theirs and the players' abilities to simply coach and let the players play. i don't think you have to worry about that.

Max Mercy

Somebody better put a lock on the mental hospital door, Big Bro is referring to DIVISON not league. I wouldn't say last season CO victory over Glendora in the final seconds doesn't make one team better than the other. After all, the year before Glendora barely beat CO in the final seconds. I'd say last years CO and Glendora teams were pretty equal. The difference being, CO didn't have to face Corona Centennial (#1 team in the state) in the playoffs.

Glendora did beat Upland last year, which very handley took care of CO.

So where do we go from here?

Didn't South Hills just beat a Sierra League team? At least the last time I checked Ayala was in the Sierra League. And I believe Charter Oak beat Glendora last year, and they are a Sierra League team as well.

read it again-big bro said "Try playing in a division of "Great teams" like Glendora and Amat plays in". he didn't claim anyone was a great team but the DIVISION has great teams. If CO & SH were in that division they'd have an early exit too. and if either were in the Serra league-they'd be winless.

Ok, How did Glendora and Amat do in the play-offs last year?? Seeings how they are both "great Teams, playing Great teams", according to you. Yeah, so what's your point?? You can lose like the rest??? Dope! CO Beat glendora and SH would have crushed Amat last year. You hanging around with BC Faithful???

Charter Oak vs. South Hills in 3 months

This argument regarding who goes further in the playoffs is old and tiring. A "very good" team will advance further in the playoffs when playing "good" teams. A "very good" team will not advance very far when playing "great" teams.

CO and SH divison is full of "good" and "very good" teams. Try playing in a divison of "Great teams" like Glendora (last season before restructure) and Amat plays in. How far would CO or SH get against teams like Corona Cenntennial, Redlands EV, MD or OL? Like I thought, big fish in a very small pond!

M.B.,

Absolutely right. When you're playing someone who should beat you, you have to hope they have a bad day, or make them have one. Then you've got to play well. Recipe for upsets. I wrote this earlier,

"Good teams win the games they *should* win and, once in a while, will knock off someone that they *could* beat. Sometimes, good teams get knocked off by teams that *could* beat them. THAT'S what happened on Friday with Amat/Olu.

Great teams win the games they *should* win and don't lose those games they *could* lose. It's hard to be *great*. I don't think there are any of those around these parts.

Every game on Amat's schedule is one where the opponent *could* win. Be ready. There are some coming up that we *should* win. Perform your best. There are also some left that the opponent *should* win - but we *could* win. Believe!"

Posted by: Joe Amat | September 15, 2008 1:43 PM

BigBallsBulldogs 3 comments in a row sounds like an amat coach posing as a west covina player. Nice try. Cmon guy, nobody is that stupid. Nice try. If amat coaches thinks this is how they have to fire up their team with gimick like this. That makes me wonder? Maybe not that good? Or coaches dont have much faith in them bouncing back?

Amat is good but not great, Orange Luth was having a bad day and Amat was having a great day, add in the mistakes and turnovers = any given Friday, duh, we'll see this Friday when they face Dub "C", it will definitely be some smashmouth football in the final quarters....

amat will be dropped out of the top ten rankings when the bulldogs blow them out this friday night on there own home field. i predict by more then 40 points. amat got lucky last week. we will make sure we shut 'em out like the first two teams we played. we are a powerhouse, our runningbacks are the best in the country & our coaching staff is an nfl staff. our team speed is the fastest i have ever sen in prep & college football. we are going to hit amat so hard they wish they never stepped on that field friday night!

To All U Amat Cry Babies~

WesCo is going to come into ur house this friday night & kick u off ur high horse. I predict WesCo wins by at least 40 points. We have the best staff and running backs in the country. We're going to man handle u guys & show the valley who the #1 team really is. U guys were 3-7 last season & u think u can play at our level, please! Amat got lucky with Orange Christian last week. How could a team give up that many turnovers & be good. Besides who's Orange Christian? U guys don't play nobody. We play teams like Mater Dei, The Ranch, bigtime powerhouse football. I can't wait till we whoop on u guys this friday. It's gonna get ugly. We're gonna hit u guys so hard u want to quit & never step on the playing field again!!!

Bearcat faithful, stop! you are still embarrASSing! What's your # stud? You're popping off about stats that your friend told you? shut the pie hole! Does your Mom know you are online? I like your Bonita pride, but you're not making the program look too smart. Work hard at practice, hand out the water and stay off the blog. You're officailly on "time out". If I was in pads, I'd hit you like a MAC truck and leave you sucking your thumb with Gigar. Represent on the field, not here. Please!

Plain and Simple

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChcZaQ_PI-g

Cut & Paste
If this does not get you going

SOMETHING IS WRONG

TROJAN FAN OR NOT

TM

Bearcat Faithful

Get back to class and do more homework. Also, it might be WISE to do more research before you speak.

Dude, that grade point average must be in trouble.

Everyone, please excuse this guy, he really doesn't represent us well at all!

FYI,

2007 enrollment numbers as reported to CIF

Bishop Amat 1502 and of that number 1500 are whiners!!

BTW I don't give a hoot whether Amat is ranked #1 or not by the Trib, it's all about making improvements and molding these young men into WEINERS!!

FYI,

2007 enrollment numbers as reported to CIF

West Covina 2878
Glendora 2721
Canyon 2270
Claremont 2255
Charter Oak 2136
South Hills 2089
Los Altos 2062
Bonita 1887
Diamond Ranch 1847
Covina 1606
Northview 1533
Bishop Amat 1502
San Dimas 1362

jonnse
im pretty sure san diamas is bigger than 1200 because my best friend goes there and he says theres at least 1800 people and i was going off what wowzer said

And Charter Oak goes further in the playoffs than anyone else along with South Hills so until your teams are playing in December there's really nothing to talk about. Raise your hand the last time your team played in the Semifinals or Finals. That's what I thought. Enough said!

Looks like King Crap will take another "king size crap" in his pants again when Amat beats W.C.

West Covina is looking for an upset and will ironically use the Amat upset over OLU as an example and huge motivational point.

Amats Beats #3 OLU
West Covina Beats #789 Blair

There will be no upset at Kiefer Stadium this Friday night folks.

BTW I don't give a hoot whether Amat is ranked #1 or not by the Trib, it's all about making improvements and molding these young men into winners.

what are u talking about bearcat faithful?

san dimas has 1200-1400 tops.
theyre a tiny school. bonita is way bigger.

jonnse
wat r u talking about they held there own they lost by 30 points

jonnse
wat r u talking about they held there own they lost by 30 points

all u bonita fans talking trash 2 me wat ever ur key word is fans when ur an actual player like me let me know if u played for bonita in the past this doent apply 2 u but until stop talking trash to me because while ur enjoying ur summer im out there working for this team so shut up ur probaly the ones that quit once we hit pads

WOWZER

Bonita has 1800
san diamas has 2000
claremont has over 3000
canyon has over 3000
so dont use the population excuse
good luck without ur star linebacker

Interesting Blog Topic I Found...

"What went wrong for OLu and where OLu goes from here
September 13th, 2008, 11:52 pm · 2 Comments · posted by DAN ALBANO, ocvarsity.com"

READ ON AT...

http://ocvarsity.freedomblogging.com/2008/09/13/what-went-wrong-for-olu-and-where-olu-goes-from-here/

I don't give a crap about any local sgv rating. LOL!

ON BLUE!

jonsee,

Did you forget Glendora played Corona Centennial last year in the second round of the playoffs? CC was the #1 team in the State!

did everyone forget that sd went up against oaks christian first round in play offs last year? i dont think teams like (charter oak, glendora, ect.) can say they hav. it may not have been a pre-season game, but they still held their own to a powerful team. they scored the most points on oaks christian out oc last 9 games. i think sd can handle their own against anyone.

COBLOW (Notice the spelling)

When CO gets done with beating on the little guys, then you might take on a preseason schedule like the Tartans.

Joe Amat descibed CO's preseason schedule best when he said that CO beat" 0-2 Aliso Niguel (who lost to Newport Harbor (58-7), that powerhouse program from Pioneer, and the expected win over Diamond Bar (especially after their 2-8/0-5 record from last year)". Hey, how more impressive is that!!

Trib shouldn't rank CO #2 just because they whooped A$$ on terrible programs. Do you guys need your confidence built up before starting league?

Hey Fred, why don't you make your top ten list, the best pound for pound teams in the valley.

big bro,,,, If your talking pre season you can't be talking big Tarton , (notice the spelling)No balls is GHS football when you weasal out of pre season with THE MIGHTY CHARGERS using 'dirty play' as an excuse. Stop by CO and view the CITY TROPHY. Then stop crying.

San Dimas High School is great this year. However, these two games the next two weeks so perfectly illustrate the problem with many SGV teams. They play small local schools that will simply not test their abilities. This is also why Amat will always have something of a claim on any #1 spot in the SGV. The fact is, Amat plays tuffer teams. If they are better than any of the local teams (i.e. San Dimas, Charter Oak, etc...) is anyones guess, because Amat is willing to play teams like OLu.
I think Amat is a shadow of the program it was 15 or 20 years ago. Amat is still strong, but Amat has, for several years now, been going backward while small programs like San Dimas, Azusa, Workman, etc. have been going the oposite direction with their programs. Keep in mind, I'm not comparing the programs. Amat vs. San Dimas is as big an "apples and oranges" debate as there possibly could be. So let's not go there. However, programs like San Dimas need to stretch a little and play some big teams (maybe some OC teams) before they will ever be able to be a part of the conversation involving Amat. The shame of it is, they (SD) probably belongs in the conversation, but their schedule doesn't give them the chance.

Amat by 14 over West Covina.

San Dimas by 35 over whatever the name of the team is.

CO should schedule decent opponents during pre-season if they want to get any respect. They beat weak teams and then they show a high rank on the Tribs list. At least Glendora schedules BIG TIME competition. Amat may lose a few games here and there, but look at the high caliber of their opponents. Come on CO, pick on somebody your on size!

a TAD wrong - good thing you don't have to play teams 10 times. you just have to get ready to beat them once. people keep saying forget about the past. so forget about last year-as wrong as you are. THIS year Amat beats CO-pretty easily.
and COJO-make that UNeducated guesswork

Is lil joe amat finished? What a tool, been listening to the lil voices in your head and now you try to pass it on to us.

So amat is ranked, what #13 in the times? Maybe steve should rank the top 15 and follow the times rankings. amat would then be placed wherever the times ranks them. On to Concord.

Hey Burn wow , how ignorant can you be? CANCEL the Tribune because you disagree with high school football picks. The only valley paper to get local news. You must be a L A Times fool. Picks are educated guesswork.

As for the #3 ranking we will take it. We did have a big win last Friday but still have a ways to go.Let's see what happens this Friday night and if we do win then that's all that matters. As it has been said all that really matters is where we end up at the end of the season. If we keep winning the rating will come.

Bearcat Faithful, You're embarrassing!

Bishop Amat best class ever in 2002 best back ever 2 words: Donnie Mclesky

bearcat faithful

Get into your English class and learn how to read(divsions), write, and do your homework before you speak...

Orange Lu beats Amat eight of 10 times, and six of them are routs. ...

Last year's Charter Oak team beats last year's Amat team pretty easily,

Rankings, except in the preseason, are based on what has happened, while predictions are what MIGHT happen. Get it?
Plus, I beleive they are area rankings, and last time I checked, La Habra wasn't in the SGV.

I do not know if this is true or not but I heard San Dimas has an illegal player named Tremary Evans. apparently he played at Pasadena last year. I do not know if this is true but heard he is using a false address and Bonita knows about it. I am not trying to start anything just thought the Saints people would be interested to hear this tidbit is out there. Verify this as true or false. I am not a Bonita fan BTW.

Both of the tribs writers pick La Habra over SH this weekend, doesn't that look funny, you say they are the top team in the valley, but you pick them to lose, LH is not as good as Los Osos and not even close to OLu, the Times uses a lot more writers in their ratings, and gets input from former coaches, but I don't think they use Freeeeedies guru, the coach high-me, or coach waterboy, whatever they call him..... good call there greengold, it'll be another 40 years before they beat Amat again though!

Damien, in 2002...Ian Johnson rocks!!!

Damien, in 2002...Ian Johnson rocks!!!

Why don't we re name this thread AMAT CRYBABYS and pass out crying towels to all you babys?. Its amazing you get one gift win and all of a sudden you act like you are back on top. Amat is 4-8 counting last year and this year. Hardly deserving of a number one spot. They are 1-1 and shouldnt move up 2 spots. Fred is right and GET OFF HIS BACK!!

What makes the LA times and sodenheimer, who also looks like he never played football, any better than the trib rankings just because amat is ranked higher there? The lack of amat brain power never ceases to amazes me. I do want to thank you amat fans for the laughs. Your ego's are outta control

Once again someone does not like the IRRELEVANT rankings & chooses to BASH these writers .
GET REAL !
The win against O-Lu was H U G E but does it really mean The Lancers should be "RANKED " #1?

WHO F ING CARES !

WIN OUT !

Win another championship , then come BLAST all the other schools . What if's mean ZERO ! Until Bishop Amat plays the other schools we will NEVER KNOW ! Meanwhile if this paper decides to rank them
number three in the valley , I am sure life WILL go on . The players , coaches & MOST people related & to these respective programs KNOw these rankings are ...

Just RANKINGS !

FIGHT ON

TM

wutThe? I distinctly remember the Trib in '96 and how frigging silly they looked at having a DVII team on top of Amat, Covina wouldn't come close to beating Amat or anyone on their schedule that year!.....nothing has changed, does anyone think for a minute that any SGV team can beat Amat? it's just the facts, accept it, can any Amat hater name the last time a SGV team beat Amat,....... LA ? CO ? Glendora ? Edgewood ? Rosemead ? you gotta go way back....

I dont care about Saints or Bearcats

But for the record. Bearcat. Claremont is in Division 5 (this year , last year might of been different)

And get some of the facts straight. Canyon is in division 6, so dont think you're playing a powerhouse either.

But they went 0-10 last year. In a league where no one won a playoff game. So dont think The Big Green can say its tough. The Saints have at least beat formable contenders at a school of barely 2000

Made me think...name the movie"

"And even if we win, if we win, HAH! Even if we win! Even if we play so far above our heads that our noses bleed for a week to ten days; even if God in Heaven above comes down and points his hand at our side of the field; even if every man woman and child held hands together and prayed for us to win, it just wouldn't matter because all the really good looking girls would still go out with the guys from Mohawk because they've got all the money! It just doesn't matter if we win or we lose. IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER!
Rest of group: IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER! IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER... "

here's a hint:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3S_k1dRbXY

I remember the last time Amat won CIF back in 1996, USA Today had Amat ranked 20th in the nation...The LA Times had Amat #1...Cal Hi had them in the top 3 in the state...but for whatever reason the SGV Tribune had Amat #2 behind the Covina Colts...Reason being that the Colts didn't lose a game. Without a doubt that Bishop Amat team, with Ralph Brown II, Brian Russel,and Joey Getheral, would have easily beat Covina on their worse night.. I know every publication is different, but hey...maybe that's why the LA Times is the LA Times and the Tribune...well, I guess is just the Tribune.

saints4real

well u think were gonna lose to Canyon because were 3 divisions lower than them u got another thing coming 2 u bonita because were gonna win against Canyon and against San Diamas in 24 days we will see how playing bad teams works out for but us at Bonita we actually challenge ourselves playing better teams
Claremont Division 3 win 18-3
Canyon division 4 ?

Were taking the smudgepot back

who dat say u wanna do dat green
who dat say u wanna do dat green
who dat say u wanna do dat green
GO BEARCATS

Hey Fred, what's up with Miguels' blog? There's no way to get in! Is it down?

Well, Steve you did it again. Wasn't it eight years ago that you wrote that Los Altos' 14-0, CIF championship team with Shaun Cody and Travis Parker was better than Amat's 2-8 team, with an injured Donnie McCleskey? We all know that wasn't true, now you pool this.
?

someone wake me up when joe amats BS is done. ZZZZZZZZ

Steve: Some early predictions:

Bonita 13, Canyon 28

San Dimas 49, Montclair 9

Will this place San Dimas in the Fourth spot? It should, is and will.

24 days to "SMUDGEPOT"

GO SAINTS!!

Shout out to Layton. " ALL THE WAY IN ONE PLAY " we know you like it..

Hey Danny you are truely an amat fan dumb as rocks. If you read my comments it was in reference to the comments on next weeks blog AFTER west co beats your ass. Back to school donkey.

The only ranking that really matters is the CIF poll at the end of the season. In most sports those are used as a guideline for the playoff pairings (along with other parameters ie: league finish, geography when relevant, etc)

Subjective newspaper rankings, no offense, mean nothing except to create a little buzz. The polls are fodder for friendly banter between fans, not-so-friendly arguments and the occasional "you've got to be kidding me" moments. This is just one of those. I agree somewhat with Steve's "... philosophy in rankings that once a team has solidified a position, it holds on to that rating as long as it keeps winning...". I guess I would question his definition of "solidified". Guessing where someone should be placed after reviewing returners, hearing about some passing league contests played with half a team (and probably not the most important half!), and interviewing some coaches is not an exact science. How much merit and weight should be placed on rankings that come out before a squad has even hit the field for a real game? That's "solidified"? Early season rankings should be fairly "fluid" in the first few weeks of real action to self-correct for the inherent inaccuracy that comes with the guesswork. Note the college polls when USC's performance on the field quickly moved them form 5 to 1 - because the question marks that placed them at 5 were answered. Georgia, on the other hand, dropped with less than stellar performance - compared to the Trojans.

Back to the original point. Rankings are rarely a progressive order of teams based on who would beat who in a head-to-head matchup. They are largely a function of the teams schedules. At the end of the season, it might be tough to rank a 6-4 team over a 9-1 team... even if it is clear that the 6-4 team might roll over them on a Friday night.

The basic scheduling choices are really two-fold: First, you can create a difficult pre-league schedule and become more "battle tested" for the rigors of league play or the challenges of the playoffs. Or that tough schedule will balance an easier league schedule to properly test a teams ability over the course of a season. Secondly, a somewhat easier schedule can be constructed to allow the team to obtain a few more victories and develop a little bit of confidence. Both methods have their advantages, but also come with some pitfalls.

Playing a tougher schedule may result in more losses than normal, but the game-to-game combat against challenging competition teaches players what they need to do to get better. Maintaining a positive attitude is crucial and the process could be beneficial as the team improves looking toward league and the playoffs. Understand that the added losses will, no doubt, result in a lower ranking in the standings or polls.

Because these are used, in the CIF's case, to determine seedings come playoff time, If this method of scheduling is chosen, you can`t complain about the rankings because the intended result is: it just doesn`t matter who the team plays in the playoffs, as they have already seen the type of play that is required to advance. So they may start lower and have a more difficult road to follow - but they are ready for it.

On the other hand, a slightly less challenging schedule can have its advantages as well. A very good record will undoubtedly improve a teams "ranking" and may get them an easier road in the playoffs. But beware - a schedule that is too simple may not provide the types of obstacles needed to prepare to defeat quality opponents. this may result in an earlier than expected departure from the playoffs, and a disappointing end to the season.

So, as far as the polls go, they're fun to debate, but in reality, it just doesn't matter. Get it done between the lines

1and1=#1

I'm with you, my subsription is cancelled, but I'm still coming on this blog. Lil' joe amat where are you to defend the great amat team. Since their is no longer any competition in the SGV, I understand amat has contacted concord de la salle for next year, they will also travel to Texas to knock off some of their top schools. amat deserves to be #1.

Charter Oak and South Hills would get their Tails kicked if they played Los Osos and Orange Lutheran to start their season. Steve I am sure Fred may tell you that you errored big time here. Fred if you stand behind this fools picks you are in for ridicule as Amat continues to win.

King Dud we are playing Damien next week Moron, we play West Covina this week. Get it together and put down that Meth pipe Menso.

I will not renew my subscription to the tribune after this RANKING. Come on get real a real newspaper like the L.A. Times Moved Amat to number 13 and dropped Oluth to 14th after Oluth was number 3 last week in their top 25 rankings. I have to agree Steve you most likely never even picked up a football and have never donned pads, so this coming from a sportswriter who has never played the game I can see where you are confused. With that ranking I guess Workman should be number 5 at least.. they are 2-0. If you asked Bogan and Farr if they are deserving to be ahead of a Bishop Amat in your fantasy Poll ..well you know the answer. they would disagree with you Steve as well. The ranking from here on out should be The Triune SGV Fantasy Football Rankings.

You know these lists are fun to talk about but some of you guys take them way too seriously. For one thing, nobody has played more than two games and even the CalTech types would tell you that isn't enough sampling to adequately rate teams.

Another issue is what exactly is the rating criteria? It's so vague here that I am reminded of some of the radio stations back in the day who used “listener requests” to build play lists. A couple of teenagers with telephones could send a song to the top overnight, with a bullet.

Geez, you might as well bring back the guru.

Those comments below are why most people hate amat fans. You people are a bunch of cry babies. Lets hope West Cov kicks Amat's ass so next week on this blog will be a quiet one!

Steve,

What...Amat #3? They should be #1 in the state...especially after winning 4 games in 2 years!

LOL!

My gosh Amat is #3 in the Tribune rankings and you Lancers go off! Its just a number jeeze we all know and acknowledge the fact that BA upset Orange Lutheran. Mabye you deserve to be #1 but dam some of you wanna crucify the tribune for this. Relax everyone only two games have been played in this young season rankings don't really mean anything right now.

Sorry Fred,
I didn't notice that it was Steve that made up the rankings, disreguard my previous post.

Fred,
I realize you've been accused in the past of being on the Amat bandwagon, so I'm guessing
you didn't put them at #1
for that reason, but you have to admit that beating Ayala and Pioneer doesn't even come close to beating O-LU.

Lancer Pride... Way to much smack,tone it down please !

who the hell hired you and Fred??

Someone please answer this question for me please. How many years of football experience does Fred Robledo and Steve Ramirez have actually playing the sport? Better yet I'll answer that question for myself. ZERO!

So no one should get upset with them because your literally talking about two guys who never played organized football in their lives. I'm serious when I say they are doing the best they can with limited knowledge and understanding of the game and no firsthand account to rely on so the validity of their picks are bias and subjective based on other criterias other than X's and O's.

We do not need them to show us were #1 to believe were the very best team in the Valley because anyone who has played the game before knows there is no better team than us. Game Over!

You Tribune boys are ridiculous, What are these your rules, if you keep winning you stay on top. Come on Bishop Amat just knocked off a Nationally ranked team an you have them at 3 what a crock. Boy Ayala really compares to Orange Lutheran. Give me a break you guys are so full of SHyt. You will catch hell from the Amat crowd if you attend Friday..you will get booed. Now I wonder why your tribune is so down in readers and is about to go belly up.

wow!

Ramirez, you know next to nothing about football and moving at a high rate of speed towards nothing, lmao!

STEVE... you must post your rankings just before you go too bed !