I ask all you why would Hoyd lie on his resume and lie to Fred during his interviews. People lie when they are hiding something. I decided to look into Hoyd’s history and check out if he was lying about where and when he had coached. In 2006 Hoyd did coached at Buena Park High School, he was the defensive coordinator. So Hoyd did in fact lie on his resume and has been lying to the newspapers when asked about where he had coached. If any of you would like the proof here is the link;

http://www.ocvarsity.com/ocvarsity/article_1257561.php

That is seven different jobs in seven years and yes Hoyd you are a liar.

I got a much better idea tell Hoyd to get F**k out of Hacienda Heights.

Go Back to Crawford High (2002)

No they don't want you back!

Go Back to Rancho Santa Margarita High (2003)

No they don't want you back!

Go Back to El Dorado High (2004)

No they don't want you back!

Go Back to Anaheim Canyon (2005)

No they don't want you back!

Go back to Tustin Pop Warner (2006)

No they don't want you back!

Go back to Savanna (2007)

No they don’t want you back!

I’ am starting to see a pattern here……………

Gilmore can't just transfer because he doesn't like the coach. That's not how things work in CIF. I think we've been over all this before.

He would have to:

a) Move out of the Wilson area. (This would probably be the easiest option...paperwork slides through in a matter of days)

b) File a hardship with CIF. (This is a pain in the ASS! Wilson will, no doubt, fight the hardship appeal and Gilmore will have to prove that whatever "hardship" he is filing for was unforseen, unavoidable, and uncorrectable. Having a coach that you don't get along with does not count, otherwise every kid who got benched by their coaching staff would just jump ship to the next taker. Oh wait! That's exactly what happens here in the SGV!

What Gilmore should do is what Nicholas Grigsby did while playing for St. Paul. He transfered after what 2 games and was allowed to play for California High school and is now playing for the University of Arizona. Why cant Gilmore do the same and go to another school. He could end up at Los Altos (dont be surprised)or Rowland not to mention La Puente, Workman or Bassett. So. Hills could be sniffing around also.

What is so interesting about the situation over at Wilson is every enity in the area has issues with Coach Hoyd. First it was the booster club, then it was the district, then it was the local youth program, then it was the booster club again, and now it is the players. All these issues are based around Coach Hoyd. Every time it was the other parties fault, at what point is it Coach Hoyd's fault. I am going to wait and see, if Coach Hoyd is still coaching at Wilson next year. If he is I will be taking my son to LA, I just can't take the chance with this guy.

funny how Gilmore was a hard working bust his tail kid for Coach Oviedio (not sure if name is spelled right) and now all of sudden "Happy Gilmore" is a bad guy. I wasn't believing all this wilson stuff at first but with this much smoke there has to be some fire.

You ask;

"why the hell would wilson want AN AMAT RETREAD? I dont think verti is going to wilson. and AFAN? back to work cleaning trash under the stands. You suckkkk"

Well they got a Tustin Pop Warner RETREAD.

Hey Wilson faithful (are there any left)? You had a chance to get Former Head Coach and now Linebackers coach of Amat Coach Difiori. You passed took Hody now live with it and STFU all of you. Truth is in the pudding in Thursdays editions of the Tribune about this Parent lynching of Coach Hoyd and Where is unhappy Gilmore?

I was told by a high level administrator at Wilson that Hoyd is gone next year. I was told that it is too late in the season to do anything this year. Wilson administration is very unhappy with the issues that Hoyd has created within the community and now the team. He told me to advise the parents of incoming students for next year, realizing that the local kids don't want to play for Hoyd. Wilson was very upset that at one point in the preseason Wilson had 12 kids on their freshmen team compared to LA’s 90 kids, the numbers have never been that lopsided.

why the hell would wilson want AN AMAT RETREAD? I dont think verti is going to wilson. and AFAN? back to work cleaning trash under the stands. You suckkkk

Rumer has it that Hoyd and Verti will be taking the helm at LaPuente Wilson next year. Donkey Boy will be passing out refreshments to the players.

WTH, aka fatladyinthesnackbar: Get off this blog and get on the train and start campaigning for votes!! Your Country needs you FATLADYINTHESNACKBAR!!! Stop wasting you time blogging bu**sh**!! There is work to do, the nacho cheese can wait!! We need your help NOW

FATLADYINTHESNACKBAR FOR PRINCIPAL!!!! SHE KNOWS SO MUCH I WOULD BE A FOOL NOT TO FOLLOW HER...HELL I WILL JUST GO AHEAD AND SAY IT BECAUSE I KNOW WE ARE ALL THINKING IT.....FATLADYINTHESNACKBAR FOR PRESIDENT!!! YEAH THATS RIGHT, I SAID IT!! BECAUSE I KNOW SHE HAS ALL THE ANSWERS AND CAN TURN THIS COUNTRY AROUND!!!

Okay, from what I understand, our news team has been working on a story related to Wilson and what everyone's been talking about. It won't be out tomorrow, I'm told it will be ready to go in Thursday's newspaper.

Judge Wappner, Your are correct Sonora Raiders show the these Hoyd Supporters how much he sucks. Prediction: Wilson vs Bonita 0-52, Wilson vs Charter Oak 0-52, Wilson vs Los Altos 0-100, Wilson vs Diamond Ranch 0-52.

5 days what a stretch of time for the young Gilmore and pals. Having the Key does not matter it is what they did with that key that counts. He is implicated in this investigation so obviously there is some wrong doing of some sort to be still at home. Hoyd is being used a s a scapegoat. Parents wise up the mans the coach of this team for better or for worse. Gilmore is gone after this year does not mean Hoyd is. All Gilmore did was damage the only thing that made him popular and that was football. With that up in the air who knows if we will even see Gilmore playing this year or altogether get his A-- thrown off the team. The team is moving forward without him and so should the parents of existing players and students. Lets take our energy and focus at the game at hand The Sonora Raiders.

SNOOZE
easy now. people asked a bunch of questions and dude answered them. pretty well too, i think.

Rise up fans of Wilson, Cast off the sad, unwanted mantle of the dreaded Hoyd and support thefatladyinthesnackbar for coach. Nay, for Principal, (certainly not principle). Then she can really get stuff straighted out. Remember the snack bar is the feeder system, or something like that.

Hold those corn dog sticks up high and wipe that nacho cheese off your chin, the time to act is now! YES, YOU HEARD ME ... thefatladyinthesnackbar for Principal ... while your at it, make her husband the Mayor of Hacienda Heights ... check that ... Mayor of La Puente ... then they can pick a new coach from the snack bar feeders.

I am real confused what did Gilmore do that caused him to be suspended for 5 days. From what the school is saying he is associated with the kid that was found with the key in his pocket. So Gilmore gets suspended for five days because he is friends with the kid that had the key.

Now you are saying that the kids are pawns. Before it was the kids are having fun that's all that matters. Now the kids are pissed off at Hoyd and it's the parents fault. You lossers need to get your story straight. Hoyd has pissed off every entity in the area. He realizes he is the dead man walking through the school, you can see it on his face. At least most of the kids have next year to look forward to, no more Hoyd.

We will hear next that Gilmore has transfered out of Wilson. Who TF cares. Parents have use these kids / players as Pawns in their game / vedetta against Coach Hoyd and it is costing them big time. Who cares what he did to shake up your boosters op warner and snack shack. These parents are taking it too personal and by using your kids to play it out for you gets you nowhere. Idiots, all of you participants against Coach Hoyd.

Joker,
It is called parents influence and it is only hurting their kids that they play politics against a first year coach. Also stop writing the fact they go to war. It is a football game and our real heros are the ones protecting this country around the globe in real wars. You will always miss the point because you are not seeing the big picture. Deal with it for the season and if he is in fact such a Monster then let the School District deal with it, but as of right now he will be your coach come friday I dont care how much bit--ing you do here. As for Gilmore..you made your bed now sleep in it. Same as Dorian Wells last year, A star that was asked to leave because of a infraction. In Gilmores case he is stuck playing these games and acting the A-- due to Adult influence and his senior year is now tarnished because of it.

Hoyd backer,

Last I checked this had nothing to do with wins or losses. This had to do with be a leader. Teaching these kids to go to war as a team and do the best they can. Whether they win or loss, Hoyd already lost. He lost the respect of the parent and their kids. The lesson these kids learn from Hoyd was when you go to war with Hoyd he will be the first to throw his partner under the bus. All season these kids are going to be looking over their shoulders, because they have no trust or confidence in Hoyd. That has been validated by the booster club issue and the player walkout. How many head coaches have their players walk out of practice?

Hoyd Haters NAUSEA...

After reading some of these 'Hoyd Hater' blogs, I'm convinced that some of these Wilson Boosters are...BORDERLINE RETARDED !!!

Hoyd steals money!
Hoyd Lies!
Hoyd fired 'snack shack' royalty.
Hoyd got 'so & so'arrested.
Hoyd bickers with local kiddie league.
Hoyd this
Hoyd that
Hoyd!
Hoyd!
Hoyd!

And now, the GRANDDADDY of them all: Hoyd 'FRAMED' one of his football players AND got them arrested...

What?

Are there any 'REASONABLE' supporters at Wilson?

What Joke does not understand is no matter how much negative blogging he does to slander Coach Hoyd the fact remains Coach Hoyd will be on that sideline Friday and the Snack Shack lady will be deep frying and serving up Nachos. The team is still in tact and he will field a team friday thru all this BS. If he pulls off a win without Your Golden boy Gilmore you all are going to be eating crow and hating life because he will really be making these Parents look like fools. I am hoping for a win by Coach Hoyd and staff so he ca finally start his season get rid of this distraction and play football with young men that are playing for him. With or without Gilmore the Wildcats will move forward for the better of the school.

Yeah, well that stuff about the tustin kiddieball linebackers job really spun me around. Just shows how important it is to this blog to have someone really CONNECTED to the real ins and outs of local football let us know what's what.

You have turned me around completely hoydhaters ... I now publicly make a call for exchange of power at Wilson ... put the fatladyfromthesnackbar in charge of everything. Today!

Let someone else inventory those big cans of nacho cheese dip.

What I find so bizar is a kid is being manipulated by an adult(Hoyd), getting suspended for no cause and people come on this blog and support Hoyd's actions. I bet if that was your kid you won't feel the same way. This child and his parents are living a nightmare. All this kid wants to do is go to school, play football and have some fun with his friends. Yes Gilmore isn't the model citizen, but who is to blame for that. Hoyd let this kid get away with anything during the summer now he wants to play hardball.

If you haven't realize I never use the word coach in front of Hoyd's name. Hoyd has no clue what the word means.

Let me give you a little more information about Hoyd. As everyone knows he came from the tustin area. His son plays football at Tustin Pop Warner. The President at Tustin Pop Warner wasn't sure if he was going to allow Hoyd to coach the linebackers on his son's team. He was concern with the issue's that surround the guy. TUSTIN POP WARNER, the local team from Hoyd's area doesn't want him to coach the linebackers. We have this guy as a head coach of a football program in our area. Thats why Hoyd won't go home, they don't want him either.

The very sad thing about his whole situation at Wilson, because NOBODY WINS!

PARENTS, PLAYERS, SCHOOL , COACHES, OR COMMUNITY!

It also shows that these are just kids, learning how to be adults..

And it appears some adults not knowing who is the adult first.

Very sad deal for eveyone involved.

This is why colleges are looking for the complete package: Character, Grades, Sat's, SKill, Leadership. Not as easy as some think to get the scholarship..

Good Luck!

The very sad thing about his whole situation at Wilson, because NOBODY WINS!

PARENTS, PLAYERS, SCHOOL , COACHES, OR COMMUNITY!

It also shows that these are just kids, learning how to be adults..

And it appears some adults not knowing who is the adult first.

Very sad deal for eveyone involved.

This is why colleges are looking for the complete package: Character, Grades, Sat's, SKill, Leadership. Not as easy as some think to get the scholarship..

Good Luck!

joe amat
could you be anymore boring? you just ramble on and on and on. SNOOZE

If Unkie Bob and Gilmore-on..are bigger then that then why does Gilmore-on sit at home suspended. When and if he comes back to the football team he may be locked out and sit the bench and maybe see limited action. Cannot transfer now and if he does he has lost out on so much time that it will take him weeks to get it going again... also this reputation of his and Unkie Bobs will follow them wherever they go. He will ride the pine the way Marcus Allen did when he tried to stand up to Owner Al Davis. Talent but sitting in the dog house (benched). I dont think Hoyd cares if he is not back next year but he will coach this year and is on the sidelines this Friday,.. Where is Gilmore-on..at home where he belongs. Hope this kid learned a lesson from all this but it does not sound like it. Coach Hoyd? or Coach Gilmore? uh well you know.

Serves you Right;

"Gilmore and parents, if they were smart and wanted that next level ride they should have STFU and went along with the ride"

"No player is larger then the coach at the HS level"

Both those comments would only come out of one person's mouth.

HOYD !!!!!!!!!
HOYD !!!!!!!!!
HOYD !!!!!!!!!
HOYD !!!!!!!!!
HOYD !!!!!!!!!
HOYD !!!!!!!!!
HOYD !!!!!!!!!

I can't believe that Hoyd would come on this blog and make comments like that. Basicly what Hoyd is saying is shut up, let me pocket a few extra coins and I will take care of you. Well Uncle Bob and Gilmore are bigger than that. It must make you feel real good what you have done to Gilmore, hope you can sleep at night.

One piece of advise Hoyd, start working on the resume.

Based on the information from Uncle Bob, Gilmore is getting a raw deal. Gilmore hangs around with the kid that was searched by police and they found the master key to the lockers in his pocket. Gilmore and the third kid got suspended for five days while they are being investigated. If they find that Gilmore and the other kid had nothing to do with it before the five days is up, they will be allow to come back at that time. As I stated earlier this all started when the kid got arrested and then the walkout by the seniors and now Gilmore getting suspended.

The word around school is this is all about Hoyd and his dislike of Uncle Bob and Gilmore. The way Hoyd handled this was his attempt to take control of the team. The suspension of Gilmore and the other kid was all a control thing. If you didn't notice the suspension was for five days, they come back on thurday before the game. The principle told Uncle Bob it is up to Hoyd if Gilmore can play in the game this friday.

Bottom line, Gilmore's suspension was a power move by Hoyd to take control of Gilmore. Now the whole team has no respect for Hoyd and his staff.

To all Wilson anti-Hoyd's...It takes two to tangle as you all know Gilmore did something to deserve this punishment. It could not all be just Hoyd is a Dk. Gilmore and parents, if they were smart and wanted that next level ride they should have STFU and went along with the ride and been a team player and focused on football not politics. No player is larger then the coach at the HS level. So deal with it that you screwed yourself. Discipline is discipline and if he has none now the college coaches dont want his a-- I dont care what he runs a 40 in and how good he is. Sounds like Gilmore is off to a JC because of his attitude. Dude you screwed up. Should have transfered early. now you are stuck dummy.

Great post as always Joe. But just to throw something out there...

I was wondering if this idea could ever work.

Currently, there is a structure in place that is being used (that is far better than last years set up) to determine who ends up in the state championship bowl games at the end of the year.

However, someone is inevitably always left out because all the good teams don't always play each other in the playoffs.

For example, in the Pac 5 you have OL, and Amat who are classified as D2 schools (according to the Calpreps bowl formula) and with them, you have LB Poly which is classified as a D1 school, but what happens to Centennial or Hart or Birmingham ? Those teams end up winning in their own D1 divisional playoff leagues, but they get short changed.

So why not realign a few programs and let it look something like this.

Move Oaks Christian and St Bonnie to the Serria league. Put Newport Harbor and Espiranza in the foothill league with Hart, Canyon, Saugus and Valencia. Move LB Poly to a league that includes the better City programs like Carson, Birmingham Et all. Include the best of the IE schools and call it the "what ever league."

So, in the Pac 5 you would now have 4 major leagues that could include allot of at-bid schools in a playoff system that would leave no doubt as to the best program because it would now include a new, foothill league, Serra league, City/Poly league and the Trinity league.

That would settle once and for all who the best team would be from SoCal outside of the San Diego area and Imperial Valley.

Could it happen?

BDB/M&M,

Amat is 7-3 against CARSON and 2-0 vs EL RANCHO all time but NEVER played Banning OR Temple City. I speculated earlier that there may have been some "hard feelings" with TC when Mission HS closed and we got more than our share of their players - especially John Sciarra and Coach Tate Duff. Just guessing. The best rivalry game EVER was the 1981 St Paul vs Amat in front of a standing room only crowd estimated over 12,000. The game ended in a tie and went four overtimes with the ball placed at the 10 yd line for each overtime.. That game featured Pernell Taylor and ended  with Amat winning 42-35 . Because of the length of the game and the fatigue/injury risk factor, that game prompted CIF to eliminate OT for a while, then when they brought it back, the ball was placed at the 20 yd line.

As far as leaguing/releaguing/playoffs go, it gets pretty complicated. And when it comes to switching, you don't have much of a choice. Ask South Hills and Bonita - who both bucked the system when they moved from the Valle Vista League.

First they have releaguing "areas". The SGV public schools are in the Mt San Antonio, Amat is in the Parochial Area, and the Trinity league strategical aligned themselves into the Orange County area. Schools only get releagued within teams in their designated area. They've protected themselves from getting into the Parochial mix - and none of the public schools want them, so they remain intact. Damien threatened suit to remain in the Mt San Antonio area. I believe it was a Water polo dad. This way they cannot be switched to the Parochial league for the remainder of the cycle (I believe 2010). That leaves all of the shuffling to be done in the Parochial Area.

In their infinite wisdom, CIF creates some "Football only" leagues. They figure if you REALLY travel - at least you only make the trip every other year. Thats why Loyola, Crespi, and Noter Dame are with us in the Serra, but move to the Mission league for everything else. Amat is in what is called the CAMINO DEL REY ASSOCIATION which includes the Camino Real & Del Rey Leagues. The Del Rey is the most competitive of the two leagues. In all other sports these schools self-correct competitiveness by moving the top team every two years up from the Camino Real League and the bottom team from the Del Rey moves down. . So the teams in the league change a bit from sport to sport within the association. This is actually getting a bit popular as there are the WESTERN ATHLETIC CONFERENCE (Express & San Joaquin Leagues) ; GOLD COAST ATHLETIC CONFERENCE (Alpha, Delphic & Olympic Leagues) ; TRI-COUNTY ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION (Frontier & Tri-Valley Leagues) ; SOUTH BAY ATHLETIC ASSOCIATION (Bay, Ocean & Pioneer Leagues) and there may be more. It really makes some sense and adjust competitiveness within leagues... for the most part. Unfortunately, geography is not taken into consideration, so we are really spread out. A league of Amat, Damien, St Francis, St Paul, and someone else makes sense geographically. The closure of Pius X made the mix imbalanced and the decline of St Anthony is sad. Back in the Manu Tuiasosopu days they were in the Angelus Legaue and now they have 300 students.

I did love the old Angelus League and we competed for years with Mater Dei, Servite, Santa Margarita, Loyola, and St John Bosco - and very competitive in the league to the very end. Our last year we won the league in baseball and in football beat Mater Dei, Servite, Loyola, SJ Bosco, and Santa Margarita in our last two years. Truth be told, most wish that old league was still intact.Unfortunately, there's not much choice in the matter.

...and that Roberto Duran thing. Duran was smart enough NOT to call out Tyson and go around telling everyone he was better than Iron Mike. That's why "Hands of Stone" still has both ears!

Wilson Alum,

When they made those comments in was all over the Heights what had happen. This Wilson parent and Wilson Player is most likely one of Hoyd's clan members. The Wilson player if he is a player had to be involved with the walkout and was their when Gilmore told Hoyd what he can go do.

Hoyd has asked multi time for the current booster club members to come on this blog and say nice thing about him.

For all these seniors at Wilson it is a shame what Hoyd has done to the program this year. Gilmore was rated one of the best if not the best back in the valley and now has just about a zero chance of getting a D1 scholarship.

Great Job Hoyd........

sign me up in the amat hate club. I am changing my mind. i will be the female secretary

Wilson Parent and Wilson Player,

Please explain why you felt it necessary to flat-ass LIE about the "Wilson Player" situation? I don't understand why you would argue so strongly when you either a) didn't know the truth, or b) knew the truth and just lied about it.

Next time try to open your brain up the possibility that some people may, in fact, know more than you.

Make sure Dranch show up for practice this week and everyday after!!! sorry ranch dressing fans :(

!mustang4life!

Dude, make sure you attend your English classes this year!

Where is all the dranch fans at now? yall tucked yall tails!!!! That top corner yall have is not good! he got scored on a simple fade route, the on offense was locked by the corner and was picked off. Drancch tryed to put him in the backfield but that didn't work! OVERRATED!!!!! Yall didnt lose the game, the Stangs took it from yall!!! Muir had same amount of turnovers and penelaties so.... suck the lose up and stop crying!!!!!

Where is all the dranch fans at now? yall tucked yall tails!!!! That top corner yall have is not good! he got scored on a simple fade route, the on offense was locked by the corner and was picked off. Drancch tryed to put him in the backfield but that didn't work! OVERRATED!!!!! Yall didnt lose the game, the Stangs took it from yall!!! Muir had same amount of turnovers and penelaties so.... suck the lose up and stop crying!!!!!

say what & been done:

Damien wants no part of being D1 !!! or being in an all private league, they prefer to play in a public school league were they can compete. Damien was asked to be in the new " Serra " league along with St Paul & they said " No Thank's " That is the reason there are only 4 teams in the Serra league.

To Joe Amat and others

Thanks for the info

Michelfox, Hey DOORKNOB! Please elaborate a little more , I find your words "sort of" quite intriguing.

HA,AHHAA, HA, HA!!! AHC, you just joined the list (again) of deep seeded hate mongers who writhe and pick their scabs when AMAT gets ink (cause we do get INK good or bad), sweating and biting your nails until hack the bile from your gullet and grace us with your HILARIOUS analogies. Talk about Joe, Me, Amat 73, hell you can bash any Amat fan you want. The real gut wrenchingly funny thing is your inability to stop blogging!!! HAAA, HAA, HAA!!! You my friend are worth the price of admission. Everytime you spill your envious, hate infested guts onto this blog...I have to laugh. I only wish you had a constant screen name so I could laugh at you and call you by name; but, for now,HAAAAA, HAAA, HAA LOSER! will have to do. Our lady queen of victory...AMAT!

Another call to order of the Amat hate Club membership. Both of them...

One is the president, and he is the clown. The other, the vice president, is donky-boy, and he is an a$$.

It's no wonder then that this years annual convention has been cancled due to the fact that Bozo is on tour with the circus, and donky-boy is getting "fixed" right now.

Ahhh...what a fine club it is eh...

This meeting of the AHC ( Amat Hate Club) has been called to order. You all may be seated.

We need to rename this the bishop amat mental breakdown because that's what they had in the Los Osos game. All you Amat grads enjoy another ass whipping at the hands of OL this week. And as members of this fan club we will be here next week to laugh our asses off.

And Larry the Loser? You keep coming back here so we can continue to laugh at your once dominate program now on par with Ganesha!! Is there anything more amusing than an Amat grad sitting in his chonies and Raider t-shirt at the local library typing away to us. Isn't your hour at the Library almost up?

It's ironic that you find us amusing. Is there anything really more amusing than old farts like you living in the past? People like you and Joe Amat are good reminders to the good people of SGV of why parents should never send their kids to amat. Because you will wind up a cranky old fart on a blog talking about the good old days and trying to convince intelligent people that amat is still a proud program when its sucked for 13 years. No one is buying it except all the Amat grads who have no other choice and are blinded by stupidity.

StangFan,

I promise we will see in the playoffs. It was a little chin check, eye opener. I NEED YOU TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING, AND UNDERSTAND IT, MUIR DID NOT BEAT US. WE BEAT OUR SELVES. At most i was impressed with 3 players on that team. It wasnt a competitive game. We just flat out didnt show up. Ill tell you this, playoffs, I hope you guys will be prepared. take this little 16-6 victory. Enjoy it, I wont mean nothing in the 1st of 2nd round of the playoffs. It was nothing more than a thorn in our asses. PERIOD

Posted by: dranchhhh | September 7, 2008 11:14 AM
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thats a pretty bold statement sir. i respect you confidence in your team. but i was there at the game, and well honestly, i co-sign everything StangFan says. DRanch looked pitiful. Muir did too in some ways. If they dont learn how to hold on to the ball, and avoid dumba** penalties, there is no chance. But I must say, as a ex-football player, and true fan of the game, DRanch showed no poise on their home field. I mean, missed blocking assignments, miss tackles, it looked like a backyard game instead of one that actually had coaches. You guys got the number 3 ranking for a reason, what was it based on? #3 looked like he has talent, but that was it. you QB can't thrown the long ball. You D-Line is suspect, and lets not even talk about the O-Line. Stangs were in the backfield so much, i thought they just lined up there for a while. Now i say all that to say this, it was the first game, so quirks will be grinded out. that goes both ways. but it definitely is a confident boost for the stangs, that they didnt even break the top 5. but thats ok, we let it hang, on the field. i look forward to the playoffs. Hell i look forward to league, i think Arcadia will give us more a challenge. Our defense is a beast.

I like how you call your loss your own fault, basically mimicking everything the coach said. lets call a spade a spade. this is a sport for men, dont take the backdoor out. The defense had your offense on lock. You cant call your own inadequacy the reason for the lost. gives us the credit where it is due. you talked big noise before the game, and now you backing out!!! wow... thats something you will never see a Stang do. We take our lumps, and move on.

Business 101..absolutely right! Short and sweet!

Blogging 401...ramble to your hearts content!

You get an "A" for creativilty but an "C" for application.

Joey amat - always interested in your commeents because I do believe for the most part - they are spoken in truth - but truth be told -DUDE YOU RAMBLE. BUSINESS 101, make it 2 simple, powerful paragraphs - do NOT get me to a 2nd page.....do you get it? KEEP THE FACTS BUT CUT OUT THE B.S. who beat who by how many points for the last 8 years.... blahblahblah

As far as I can tell there have only been 2 teams from the San Gabriel Valley that have ever won a National Championship. The 1966 El Rancho Dons (my alma matter) and the 1969 Blair Vikings. I don't think we will ever see another, at least not in my life time.

Joey...that was clutch ...as usual. You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

I was also wondering what Amat's record was against the great Carson and Banning teams of the 70's?

Los Altos and Temple City during their great runs?

How about the great El Rancho teams?

Joey what was the greatest High School rivalry game you ever witnessed?

That question is open to anyone who loves football.

"BEST HIGH SCHOOL RIVALRY GAME EVER WITNESSED IN PERSON"

WHO WON, WHIO PLAYED AND WHAT WERE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT WIN...knocked out of playoffs, ended a streak, or just great performances. Details.

Good luck.

Joe Amat

You also forgot about
Carlton Fletcher (2007)West Point and Dominique Austin (2008) Univ of Arizona.

7 of the 27 Amat players on Joe's list(including Fletcher & Austin) went to a JC to continue playing football because they didn't get recruited by any schools. Academics didn't have anything to do with some of the players. If Dominique Gasie wouldn't have sustained an injury his senior year, he to would have been on that list! The truth of the matter is unfortunately every school has some players who don't succeed in the class room including Amat (William Wagner and others). Still Amat has good football history, good academics, and good environment to raise a kid in any sport. Parents pay because they want to pay. Some of the players are rewarded (look at the list) for their talent and work in the classroom. Still Look at the odds.

Friday / Puff the magic Dragon

say what?
let me get this straight. If I answer quickly... I'm "ready to pounce" But if I don't answer in as timely manner as you'd like, I get "PLEASE answer..."

Which is it?

I know I lose you after 3 sentences, but then you want me to answer BDB's TWELVE paragraph post without my "...loooonnnngggg drawn-out thoughts"

No time now (multi-tasking) but BDB knows he and I are on the same page. I'll explain the re-leaguing/playoff bracket process and give my thoughts later. You might be interested.. and if you stick with it past three sentences... you might even learn something

Wilson Star Player(no names)....Can you say Pineapple Express

joe amat PLEASE answer BEEN DONE BEFORE. you are always ready to pounce - so lets hear your loooonnnngggg drawn-out thoughts on his post.

joe amat PLEASE answer BEEN DONE BEFORE. you are always ready to pounce - so lets hear your loooonnnngggg drawn-out thoughts on his post.

Michael Fox should check his facts. Were has he been the last few years. Last year reserves came into the game late for COHS. It's not unusual for the CO QB's take a knee inside the red zone, late in the game(as he did againsto ALiso Niguel last friday) irst and goal on 5 yard line 2 minutes to play so as not to run up the scor.
Jason David a former CO player now in the NFL returns each year to conduct camp and assist CO players, he also names CO as his former school prior to the NFL games. Get facts straight.

I heard a story about Sproul from one of theLong Time LA coaches. Let's just say that during those days education wasn't a requirment for a high school degree if you were a quarterback at LA.

76er,

That WAS a great team... as was the South Hills team the following year with Bethke at QB throwing to Van Vuren. We lost in the semis to St John Bosco that would have set up a great all-valley final at the time.

Wasn't Sproul the LA QB on that team? I thought that was the year LA moved UP to the major division following their championship with Rob... and before Randy Hertel?

You were there, so you'd know better- refresh my memory.
Like Charles Barkley's book, "I could be wrong... but I doubt it !:?)

Just Curious,

One thing to note if you are considering AMAT for your kid is academics. Please note the number of players that went to a JC. Most of those had to do with academic readiness and not ability. Amat is not the academic powerhouse it used to be either. For the money, and its equal cost, Damien is superior academically. The other option are area public schools with great athletic programs and have great academic programs to compliment the sports. As a whole, more D1 colleges are pulling more overall talent from IE highschools than SGV highschools.

Just Wondering

I share your same thoughts except for Barbone. He's proved two years in already and we'll see about Joesph. Kid is fast, but I just think Barbone is a more complete player. Good thing is they're both on the same team and I like # 5 too!

If you really look back at the game, SD limited their time of possession due to penalities. The fourth quarter was ugly and just imagine what could have been. Oh well, that's football..

Remember "Remember the Titan's"? At the end of the movie, the actress playing the daughter said the Titans were ranked second in the country that year. The following year, the Los Altos team led by Hertel and Benton got the second in the nation ranking.

Don't know where it would rank as far a greatest teams in SGV history, but would have to assume it would be up there somewhere. The year was '73

Jason Leach. He was a little before that. 2000 grad, I think. Was with the Chargers for a bit. Ryan Smith, who played for Floridas National Champs and the Titans came right after him... but before the "5 year window" the poster was asking about.

Joe Amat

What about Ryan Leach?

USC???

Just read a comment from a dad who was thinking of where he would be sending his son to play high school football. He also wante to know "how many players has that school sent onto play college football over the past few years? One place to stay away from COHS. Why you ask? Here's why...with CO's great success over the past years and one of the valley's best programs...that coaching staff has lost sight of what's really important. What's important to Farrar and his band of stat junkies...are wins, post season victories...championships..etc. Playing the first sting when you are 40 points ahead? What I think is important is what yor former players think of you when they are out in the real world. One of the championship football teams from COHS has many players that have nothing good to say about Farrar and his staff. They comment..."once you are of no use to them...they discard you and treat you like you had a disease! COHS staff has No use for any player that has NO eligibility left...I would rather my son play for a staff that he respected and got respect back in return!

LA Parent,
No knock on LA from me. They over achieved the other night as far as I'm concerned. And no arguement about how sloppy SD played. They gave up a lot of yards on silly penalties. Also, 95 years out of a hundred, LA walks all over SD. HOWEVER... AND IT'S A REALLY BIG HOWEVER... This year San Dimas is a much better team than Los Altos. And while many think Los Altos lost the game more than San Dimas won it, had this been a mid-season game with a pair of sharp and healthy teams, San Dimas still wins. This is one of those 5/100 years where a little school (SD) has it all over the big programs. It doesn't happen often, but it's the case this year. The Saints had swarming defense and aside from one corner back (#32) who made a couple of silly late penalties, the defense was solid. Their offense was good, not great, and they will get better and better. I believe it starts with their offensive line play. They owned the line of scrimmage on Friday night. They were too big and strong for LA. Their back field was good, not great, and they will only get better. Barbone is good, buy Joseph is fantastic. The sky is the limit for these kids. The only problem they really have is depth. They have a great line and great back field, but if someone goes down (particularly their big offensive linemen), they will have a tuff time replacing. LA did as well as their tools would allow them and like you I think their new coach had them really well prepared. So power to LA and I hope they can put together some wins this year... they can only get better!

The last 5 years:

CESAR RODRIGUEZ 2003 UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS (started every game for 3 seasons for the #7 ranked team in the country)
CHRIS SEALS 2003 CHAFFEY COLLEGE/IDAHO ST
WILLIAM ROBINSON 2003 SAN DIEGO STATE (started 3 seasons and is now on NFL Seattle Seahawks)
LAMARR ROBINSON 2004 SACRAMENTO STATE
JOSE RODRIGUEZ 2005 UNIVERSITY OF KANSAS (followed his brother, Cesars footsteps)
JONATHAN SOTO 2005 SAN DIEGO STATE (starts at LB-played decent against Notre Dame
MICHAEL COMBES 2005 UNIVERSITY OF CENTRAL OKLAHOMA
ANDREW GAMEZ 2005 CERRITOS
MATTHEW ROMINE 2005 UNIVERSITY OF REDLANDS
MATTHEW RAMIREZ 2005 WHITTIER
ANTHONY HUNTLEY 2006 ALABAMA STATE/MT SAC
JONATHAN CORNELL 2006 UNIVERSITY OF MISSISSIPPI (starts at LB for Ole' Miss)
BRANDON BENNETT 2006 UCLA (backup left tackle for the Bruins)
VINCENT FEDERICO 2006 UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO/MT SAC
CODY NEELY 2006 UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO
TONY VALENZUELA 2006 IONA COLLEGE
DANIEL ROBLES 2006 UNiversity of ST MARY(starts at QB)
JOHN PAUL CLARK 2006 MT.SAC (All-Conference TE for State Champs)
GENE HAYS 2006 MT. SAC
DAVID CALDERON 2006 CITRUS
VICTOR VALDEZ 2006 CITRUS
MARK SHAY 2006 CITRUS
ANTONIO RODRIGUEZ 2006 CHAFFEY COLLEGE
DOMINIC GAISE 2006 MT SAC
MARCUS WAGNER 2007 MT SAC

Now before everyone jumps on the "it's only Mt Sac" bandwagon, they were State Champs, play pretty good JC football, place kids at the next level and Coach Jastrab is doing a great job making it a more desirable option for kids that don't get big looks - for whatever reasons.

...but Donkey Boy is right... we haven't done anything lately

Saints are for real! Like I said last month, Saints might go undefeated to CIF. I am Bonita parent and San Dimas football fan, I have not heard much about San Dimas defense!
Kyle Withem 29 TACKLES, Like I said the best Linebacker in SGV !!!!

Joe Amat

You seem to know alot about the Bishop Amat Football program from past. Would you know how many high school players from Amat within the last five years that have gone to college programs. Im intersted in finding out because Amat's website is not up to date and Im thinking of sending my kid to the school regardless of all the negative blogs. The past speaks for itself but what about now?. Sheldon Price and Isiah Bowens are headed to UCLA next year? Who from the previous years and have they been successful upon earning their degrees. Thanks

tom c
all these attacks are justified when this blog is full of amat fans talking about their team likes they are super bowl champs instead of the also ran HS they are currently.

Joe Amat

You forgot:

Rick Carter QB Mt. SAC

Jack Montes OL Mt. SAC

John Jackson WR USC

Emmitt Downs WR Mt. SAC

Rigo Diaz LB USC

Just Wondering,

I was at the freshmen and varsity game, all I am going to say is one of the most undisciplined programs I have ever seen. The freshmen and varsity teams should have blown out LA.

The comments on this blog about LA getting lucky that they were even that close. Your players were called for most of those penalties because they got caught out of position. They took a penalty instead of maybe giving up a big play. Take away a few of your big plays and SD losses that game. I thought Coach A did a great job of coaching. He keep LA in a game that talent wise LA had no business being in. I personally was very impressed with the way the kids competed out their, great job LA.

Outside Observer,
I agree with your assesments. SD is a small school and to field such an excellent team has a little to do with luck (all these good players in one graduating class), a little to do with hard work, a little to do with good coaching, and a little to do with execution. Put it all together and you have a great team from a school that doesn't normally have all the "littles" it needs to field good team year in and year out. Fred and the others from the Trib pointed it out well in their two minute drill last week... "this is just SDs year." As long as I've been blogging here, I've been trying to point out a few facts...
1.) Barbone is the second best running back on the team. Joseph (DJ) is two steps faster and just as strong. He spend his junior year limping around and is just now healthy. He's a stud sprinter in the SGV and he has about 1 or 2 percent body fat.
2.) Even an average running back would do OK at SD due to their offensive line. There is no doubt in my mind the SD line is currently the best overall offensive line in the SGV. They have Ryan Doll, Garrett Smith, Kyle Salm, Randy Hoskings, etc... Smith and Salm are giant. 6-5 each or so. Salm is heavier but his running is sub-standard. Doll is only 6 feet tall, but he runs great and hits hard. Smith is the best combination of the group. He's 6-5 or so and runs really good. He's fit and (at least the other night) the majority of plays that made big yards for SD were ran behind him.
3.) SD has great coaching. Zernikow knows what it takes to have a successful system and he surrounds himself with coaches who believe in hard work and take no excuses. I wish he would pass a little more often... but if I was running behind Doll, Salm, Smith, etc., I would likely stay on the ground as well.
4.) The SD QB (Kalmar) is also a great runner. His arm is very average and his size is also, but he runs good and he's very tuff.

So, the Saints have a great chance to do something that has never happened at SDHS, that is consecutive championships. It's fun to watch and I hope they can keep it going. SEM will be tuff and Bonita always shows up for the smudge pot.

Joey Messina.

I'll try and stay out of the Damien fray given their play the other night. Spartans hey tomorrow is another day.

Every time I see Bishop Amat tout that schedule I can't help but think Salesian during the 60's and 70"s played that schedule as a league. Maybe we didn't win CIF Championships but we did dominate at the lower levels. I know some will say that C, B , dating myself, and JV championships are nothing to brag about but here's the thing those were the the future Div1 and NFL players we were playing against, year in and year out. The list is staggering.

When the League and CIF awards came out at years end Salesian was again very well represented. One year Salesian had 21 All League players. still an incredible amount in any league but with Crespi, St. Francis, Notre Dame, Loyola, St. John Bosco and Cantwell in that league well that's extraordinary don't you agree? As is the quality of coaches Salesian hired and played against.

Remember those teams were far superior to what they field now. So when I hear Amat tout their schedule I'm not sure what it means in terms of other teams in the SGV. Now if La Puente, Bassett, Azusa, Ganesha or Baldwin Park played Amat's schedule and had 21 All League players then that would be something to brag about. Would it not?

Bishop Amat is suppose to play the best. s is their mission, however self imposed it has been...they've stepped up! They recruit/entice players from all regions with their commitment and schedule, maybe even their academics, and their sports is your ticket manta to parents. Yes that Gold A with the Lance means something. Even to the haters.

So Amat faithful why hammer the SGV bloggers with your schedule, quality of opponents, outstanding history and glorious alumni when other schools without Bishop Amat's resources and legacy are just playing football to the best of their ability and doing the best they can. I don't see Gano, Bogan, Thomas or anyone else putting Amat down. CIF spreads Championships. That's a given by evidence of Amat's lower level baseball championship and Oaks Christian's football nirvana but here's my question to the Amat faithful..

If little old Salesian can push it's way into a league way over their heads why can't Bishop Amat only play Division 1 sports across the board? Serra flexed it's muscle recently? It's the same talent pool for Amat football player and baseball players? It's not a dig or anything it's just so been there done that. Besides Salesian's record against Amat is what 2-1 in Amat's favor? Could Glendora? Damien? South Hills? Los Altos? Charter Oak? pull that off? How about La Puente?

I hear alot of talk on the blog about Amat Hate and Play Us gibberish but that's like Mike Tyson calling out Roberto Duran. The real honor is when Duran calls out Tyson and gets in the ring for 15 rounds, I mean years.

Everyone should love their alma mater. My kids do, I do and yes even Ganesha players do. Best of luck to all players, stay healthy and please Amat let it go. You guys look questionable at best bagging/enlightening your surrounding neighbors/friends/potentail recruits.

In a couple of weeks Damien will play Bishop Amat and their you will see Apples and Apples. Private against Private. This game will be a what if to the rest of the SGV. Both have no enrollment boundaries, both enjoy enormous resources of fans, money and quality athletes. Now that's a fair fight.

The new league should be Bshop Amat, Loyola, Crespi, Notre Dame, St. John Bosco, Damien and maybe Salesian. Hey they did it once?

My Pal Joey...what do you think?

The discussion started below is always a good one. South Hills may be very good this year, but if you're talking about the best SGV team EVER it's tough to argue against the Amat team in the mid '80s with a backfield of Eric Bieniemy (Colorado, 3rd in the Heisman voting, played with the Bengals and Chargers in the NFL) and Mazio Royster (1,000 yds rushing at USC and played with Jacksonville in the NFL), with JR Phillips (QB/P offered at USC to punt, signed with the SF Giants eventually replacing Will Clark) under center.

Others on that team were Troy Auzenne (started at Cal, played for the Bears, Colts, Ravens in NFL), Aaron Gideon (started at UCLA, was team captain and voted Most Valuable offensive player), Pat Patterson (TE with great size and speed (built about like Shaun Cody-but clearly not as tough or with Cody's work ethic. Offered at Colorado before some academic trouble), Rich Garrick (passed up Air Force Academy-had maybe the best "feet" of all the lineman), Chico Fraley (started LB at UofWashington under Don James and had a cup of cofee with the Seahawks), Stephon Pace (starting CB/kick returner at USC), and wide receiver Derek Zdarstek (maybe the fastest of the bunch). I might even be missing some others.

4 NFL players, 5 pro athletes, at least 9 D1 caliber players. Can someone match that depth on one team? Love to hear it.

Then I'll share my "Best Athlete of All-Time" in the SGV. You'll be surprised. Who do you think? Voters?

Let summarize this Hoyd/Wilson situation;

Strike 1 - Hoyd pisses off the Wilson Booster Club (Parents – Get President/Vice President replaced with his clan)

Strike 2 - Hoyd pisses off the local youth football program (x-Future Players/Parents)

Strike 3 - Hoyd pisses off the players (Hoyd gets player arrested, walk out, and followed by suspension of arguably the best player in the valley). Hoyd’s involvement was all negative for his players, no support.

Hoyd YOU’RE OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fred you told us to give the guy a chance, at what point is the chance up and you start asking the hard questions, like what is really going on over their. Now I understand why you didn’t post an interview with Gilmore when you went to Wilson. You see the issues but continue to sugar coat what is going on over their.

I was at the scrimmages at Wilson on Friday. I was shock at what I saw; the freshmen program is in disarray. They had one kid that knows how to play ball on the freshmen team. All his big runs were adlib, not within the structure of the play. Key on that kid and the team is done. The varsity team looked weak against a very weak program. Without Gilmore that team isn’t going to win a game this season, they do have a very easy pre-season schedule, but without Gilmore? Gilmore’s backup has a blaring weakness (last year’s freshmen running back); anyone that scouts this kid will shut him down real quick. After the two backs Wilson has nothing, the teams execution was suspect at best. Depending on the outcome of the investigate the Wilson program could go 0-30 without Gilmore.

Orange Lutheran,Crespi,S.O. Notre Dame,Loyola,St. Francis,Los Osos..........

VS.SGV alledged finest SHHS, Los Altos, CO, SD, WC, Walnut, or any other SGV teams.... Play the above and tell me how you will fair.??? I thought so...do the math and give me your true evaluation on how your SGV team of choice would do as far as wins and losses.

All these attacks on the Bishop Amat Program are ridiculous. No one is saying Amat is trying to cast itself as the number one team in the SGV. They are the the only Div. One team here in SGV and wheather they are winning or losing they play a schedule year in and year out that these other SGV schools would get crushed playing against. So.Hills a very good program for the Division they play in. Also I can remember when Wells ended up there last year Aram had them as a state bowl participant? did not happen. I am not a fan of Dia. Ranch but I do give them credit in the non league schedule they play. As for the rest get up close in a pac5 game and you will see the differance of the type of game it is. Amat may not go anywhere this year or next but they are not leaving the Pac5 D1. The cycle will return and Amat will have another banner someday and when it comes it will come playing the highest of competition.

Wilson Kik & Wilson Parent's

Yes, Gilmore got suspended. I heard it from Uncle Bob, Football players, Parents, etc., so you really need to drop the game. It is all over the Heights. This was Wilson administrative staff attempting to put Gilmore in check, it was only a scrimmage. During the week they are going to decide that Gilmore had nothing to do with it, then Hoyd is going to say that he is going to let him play in the season openner. Then the school administrative staff is going to say see we treat everyone equal, even Gilmore. Let the game continue.....

What I do find real interesting, Gilmore was suspend due to being a close friend to the kid that was found with the key in his pocket. Basicly guilty by association, which is a joke. According to Uncle Bob the school has nothing on Gilmore. Some parents are saying it is Hoyd's attempt to show everyone who is in control over at Wilson. To bad in the process Hoyd lost the respect of the team. These kids have made it very clear they are playing for the school not the coach.

Hey, it was 11 O'clock at night when I posted that, and now it's about 4:30 in the morning.

But you know, what, i'll be the first to admit that it was poorly written.

Having said that however, I kinda think you just wanted to put in you're little dig, like you always do.

BTW, just once.....can you take me to task on something that I say, instead of allways the personal attacks ?

Come on, have "a take" instead of all the garbage you you allways throw out there. You can do it right ?

Just Wondering

Went to the SD/LA game. Would have to agree with some, SD didnt play to there full potential, but hey its just the first game.

I think the impressive thing about SD, is the trio in the backfield.

It's no secret that coaches will key on Barbone. He's that good, and will create alot of problems for defenses.

And just when you think he's gettng the ball, they dish off to another fast kid.. # 6 and # 5.

I liked the play, where there on the five and LA stacked the middle, because everyone in the house thought Barbone up the gut, then three guys came at Barbone then they dished to # 6... TD!

They may not be a big school, but these kids play with alot of heart and I think its a good thing for the SGV.

dranchhh,

"No need for [me] to post here anymore..."???

Oh...okay. My apologies for intruding into YOUR blog, and have fun with YOUR 0-4 start.

See you in the playoffs...

holding the chains on the sidelines at CO and LA doesnt make you an expert joe. You ego runs amok on this blog. you need a new hobby.

If only championships talked this blog would be lonely. The big championship ring I see on the shelf in my office says that I'll still be here. How 'bout you?

Sure championships are great, we've got a bundle - as does Los Altos. Championship appearances are certainly an achievement as well. South Hills will tell you about that too. SemiFinals - Final Four? The nation sure celebrates that... don't they? Those are the only types of banners that hang in Amats gym. No "playoff