Thursday Night Final: Aquinas 31, Azusa 18

dan
no offense to anyone, but certainly glendora is not amat and i'm sure johnson's stats reflect that. i did not know he had a knee problem, but i'd think the game he played against amat would worsen such an injury. yet, he gained close to 200 yards the next week. again, he played a team and a defense that was not the caliber of amat. good running back, just not what i expected to see.

"i think your wrong about workman having an easier schedule fred, azusa has ganesha on their schedule, a team who is weaker than keppel,"
-boomer

Ganesha a weaker team than Kepple?? You must be on some good sh*t!!! Ganesha is 2-2 Kepple is 0-4!! How the hell is that weaker?? Calpreps ranking has Ganesha at -19.9 & Kepple at -42.1. You still sure about what you stated boomer, or would you like to take it back now??

wow this idiot under me can't even spell four!!! shows how much he knows

well, to say the truth, who HAS Azusa played against? the worst of each league.

Duarte. try South Hills, Ayala, Monrovia, Pomona....
all traditional powers

La Puente. Try Baldwin Park and South El Monte. Both League Champs

call me stupid but how can u compare blowout wins against air (thats basically what they were playing agianst) with loses to some of the best in the valley? it still confuses me how Azusa was ranked 11th in the valley.

ahead of LA, BP, SEM, WILSON? Keep dreaming Azusa, you guys are a fluke, come league...be lucky to go into playoffs...
keep in mind that montview sends 4 to playoffs

thats what u are, number for, behind duarte, LP, and SV

AZTEC PRIDE

One more thing you idiot I have never made fun of players getting hurt or laughed at teams for losing players to injury. That is not my style. I just state the facts I witness. I never want kids to get hurt.

AZTEC PRIDE

I am a fan of SGV Football and I just call them how I see them. Like tonight I was at the CO game and could not believe there was no overtime. 14 to 14 tie come on Louie boy lets play overtime and whip some IE butt.

As for Azusa again just stating facts their schedule is soft last night was the first time you played a team that had any wins and you got smashed. You have five teams on your schedule of 10 that do not have a win yet and we are 4 weeks into the season. That is why I say you play a cup cake schedule again just stating facts!

How do you almost win a game either you win or you do not.

You also claim your coach has great play calling ability then why fake a FG instead of using your offense from the 2 yard line. Again not there just going by what I read. That does not sound good or smart to me.

Sevendeuce,you claim you took out many of the starter's out in the forth quarter, but remember that Jessie Ili was out of the 4th qtr. with an ankle sprain and before you claim that Ricky was unimpressive, know that he's had a bruised knee since week 1, he did get off a pretty long run against you though. If you would have seen him against Glendora tonight you would have seen a completely different player with 183 yard rushing.

lol what a bunch of wussies acting like little cry baby girls, LOL...all over some ranking lmao...I feel sorry for all you crybabies specially these AMAT people, you guys make me sick, i'm not reading these stupid comments anymore. Peace.

can't we all just get along?

CO bro, what goes around,comes around! LOL! Please see REALITY CZECH, HE HAS A NICE LITTLE REMINDER FOR YOU!LOL!!!

GOOD LOOKING OUT! (R.C.)!

Hope you win tonight CO bro, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, I guess you'll be everybodies (DOORMAT), especially AMAT FANS...

CO BRO, GO BLOW YOURSELF! Remember this!if your going to come in hard blogging, be expected to get some of your own BULL SH**!

Why start something, if there was never nothing mentioned towards you, CO BRO??? ARE YOU A CHICK??

KISS MY ASSTEC,~BRO~

NOW I'M OUT OF HERE!

that's pretty good. CO Bro talking about doormat wins. ironic

If we look at the whole picture SGV fooball is the weakest of all the areas. look at the IE, the city the sfv and orange county they all have them more then 1 team in the top 25. So the SGV is the DOORMATE of southern california high school football.

Asstec Pride take your wins and just shut the F up. Who cares about your pee on montview league doormat loser program. you guys blow and you blow the big guys.

King Field
Who ever said I did this to be liked? I don't give a rats ass who likes me or who doesn't. This isn't a popularity contest. Don't try and play amateur psychologist. You would suck at it. Is King my old pal FC? By the way it's Sally Field!

I have said over and over again this blog is nothing more than entertainment to me. Nothing more and nothing less. It's people like you who take everything literally. I never ever bagged on anyones kids. I challenge you or anyone to go find a comment I made trashing any kids specifically. I always kept my comments about the school the crazy amat alumni and the donkey's like yourself who make comments on the blog.

It's people like you I feel sorry for. You live thru this blog yet I log on here to have a few brewski's and laugh at the people who take HS football so seriously. If you take anything here literally you need to see some help yourself.

Relax there King Field and please spell check your comments. It's demeaning to people like myself and other bloggers who have intelligence!!

Hey buddy, I never came in here pounding my chest about beating those schools!

You know what have been worst? losing to those schools!

So why don't you go on pound on your meat!

AZTEC PRIDE!

Actually I find it amazing myself, to see this side of King Stump as having a "human" side and conscience and being somewhat coherent.

Don't stop taking those Meds King, and keep up the entertainment!

Look at what it did for Robert Downey Jr. and look at thim now!

Aztec Pride, I admire your pride and all but I find it a joke to take pride in beating up nobodies. It's like cheering for that bratty kid taking candy from a baby. Do you see anyone else pounding their chest when they beat nobodies?..ehum...CO plays cupcakes, wimpy teams, and they don't even gloat like you, as a matter of fact they are embarrassed after the LA times cupcake schedule write up.

So keep pounding the Ganeshas, the Keppels and Mountain Views. And keep pounding your chest. The last laugh is on you.

Yeah, maybe your right KING STUD? I'should go relax and drink some beer this weekend, to calm my angry down! NOT!!!

I mean since you classified AZUSA, as basically bottom dwellers and should just keep quiet and say nothing.

I don't care what anybody says on this blog, WHEN YOU PLAY FOOTBALL AT ANY LEVEL, AND I MEAN ANY LEVEL, YOU PLAY TO WIN, NO MATTER WHO YOUR PLAYING, OR WHAT LEAGUE THERE FROM!

So King STUBBY, save your empathy for some other school!

The only smart thing you have said is (BEER)!

AZTEC PRIDE!

KING STUD. ARE YOU HAVING YOUR SALY FIELD MOMENT?

"They like me...they really really like me!"

Dude is that what this was all about? Trying to get the attention you didn't get as a child? Wow, that's rich!

Bagging on people, on schools, on players, on bloggers, on their kids without mercy...just to be liked?

I don't know if I'm happy for the blog, now that you're being civil, or sad for you, now that you come clean.

All the drugs of my early youth could not have blown my mind more if I took it all at once...than this recent revelation.

Just like I thought all along. WOW.......for once speakless. Wow. (still shaking my head)

sgv football follower,

John Holmes
Actually it was my welfare check I blew on booze and with the recent finanical crisis we are in my check was cut so now I am left to make semi sane comments to donkeys like you!! By the way my check is due today so by I can go back to my insults by tonight that bloggers love so much.

Amat 73.
Do I sense a kinder gentler Amat 73? nawww to good to be true! I actually do see the difference between the old amat grad who does show come class ( no matter how rare it might be) and Amat nation with the raider t-shirts. The problem is its much more enjoyable and entertaining to focus on the gangbanger amat nation than the boring classy old guard. However I am an equal opportunity basher so I will happy to hit both sides hard!! By the way If CO loses to Rancho which is a strong possiblity Amat most likely will be number one ( man that hurts to say that) provided they win tonight vs Damien.

Aztec Pride
I have said before your spirt is admirable but in the grand scheme of things Azusa's football team really is near the bottom of the barrel. I am sure the kids effort is to be applauded however most SGV fans don't take Azusa seroiusly with the exception of Fred. With CO, South Hills, Los Altos, Amat and other good schools, Azusa is just at the bottom of the food chain. It's just the way it is. You sound like an angry person. Have a beer and relax. If you don't drink let me know and I will have a beer for you!

The King has left the building!

P.S. My post wouldn't be complete without an AMAT SUCKSSSSSS

To: (SGV FOLLOWER),and the fool who blogged (azusa is a joke). Let me tell you something! You want come in here with your smash mouth smack, making comments about AZUSA is a joke, and AZUSA hasn't played nobody, and receiving way to much press coverage.

Let me remind you, these kids are putting their hearts in it! After last nights game half this team was choked up because they lost! Some got injured, and our quarterback received a concussion, but yet, you want come in here and make comments like "HA,HA,HA,etc...

Does this make you feel better, or more of MAN!
Because you sound like snotnosed little brats!

Man get some common sense, and think a little before what your going to say! Yeah, it's real easy to write cr@p behind a keyboard!

Hey (SGV FOLLOWER), I have a question for you, I have seen you here several times before, and was going to reply to you, about your blog name(SGV FOLLOWER)??? Everytime I've read something from you, your constantly bagging on a SGV team!

Don't contradict yourself my man! Your either for SGV, or not! Make up your mind, small little man!

AZTEC PRIDE!

King Stud,
Wow I never thought I would post that name but those were a couple of nice posts. You are right on the fact that this is more for amusment than anything else.Sometimes pride comes across as arrogance because there is fine line dividing the 2 and believe me we Lancers are not all like that as I am sure you have picked up on the battle of old school verses new breed ( AMAT nation ) . Here I go again with something I never thought I would post . Your take on CO still being # 1 on the fact they have not lost is the way I see it also. I had said earlier if this week CO loses a close one and we win by a narrow margin CO might still be # 1 due to us both having 1 loss and AMAT sqeaking by Damien wouldn't be enough to jump to #1. Having said that I think I have figured out the hate .You were not allowed to walk with your graduating class at AMAT for some late year infraction.HA HA HA . By the way it is all in fun.
P.S.
Every now and then revert back to the good old donkey boy because in these times we need a much humor as we can get.

sevenduece

Good point. What we need are the actual statistics for these two RBs (FB) against Amat. The only good drive WC had was their first which ended in a blocked FG. Amat took many of their starting defense/offense out in the fourth quarter.

If these two RB's played in the fourth quarter, the claim that "Ricky Johnson and Jesse Ili moved the ball last week against Amat" is unfounded and exaggerated. But honestly, we need stats and Amat has a habit of not reporting stats! GRRR!

There is one thing I do know for sure and that is the Amat defense will definitely stop Muema if Isaiah Bowens makes his return and is healthy.

p.s. It is unfortunately that Charter Oak has a weak schedule. This is a team that is all dressed up with no party to attend. That is, until the playoffs come. Until then, they can and probably will go undefeated but still go
unrespected. The LA Times blog entry about them is an embarrassment for that school's program.

Hahahaahah, why all this print for Azusa? They beat teams with zero wins or lousy records to go 3-0, then the play a semi decent team in Aquinas and get blown away.

What am I missing here? that we reward teams that beat up on nobodies? Even if Azusa beat up on more nobodies and win league, they will blow in the first round.

Did King dud come off his meth stupor or what? I can't believe he can actual write and engage in a civilized although very illogical debate?

I think he just blew all his unemployment check on cheap booze and bad drugs and has now sobered up.

"After the way Ricky Johnson and Jesse Ili moved the ball last week against Amat, something tells me Muema would get his yards against the Lancers."

fred, you wrote this. i don't know if you were at the amat/wc game last friday, but neither of those running backs did anything of significance on the ground. the fullback had a couple nice runs but was stuffed for no yardage or losses often. the johnson kid was quite unimpressive and with as much as i had heard about him, i was anxious to see him play. so i wonder what you mean by that comment.

Great Game AZTECS! You actually had a chance to go ahead at the end of the 4th quarter, but didn't score. Heck had you have scored, you probally could have won the game!

No reason to keep your heads down! You played them well! Anybody that was there watching the game, knows you had a chance to win!

GREAT GAME COACH SCHERF! Your play calling was once again fantastic! Keep it going!

League starts next week and the team has no major injuries!

GOOD LUCK TO YOU AZUSA NEXT WEEK!

Well I see Azusa finally plays a team that has a win in the win column and they come up short. Yeah I know you fools are going to say Ganesha has a win but win Azusa played them then did not have any wins. All the teams Azusa has beat did not any wins when they played Azusa except Aquinas. Are they for real or not? Maybe if Shuster would have scheduled keppel instead of Aquinas before he stepped down Azusa would be 4 and 0. I hear they do not have any wins.

Shoot they should win their league, have you checked the win loss records of their league they have 4 teams with no wins, that plays in Azusa's favor they can beat teams with no wins!!

King Stud...You are the Maaaann !

Good take there, even though, I of course think you're compleatly out there in left field, but hey, you have a right to you're opinion right ?

Anyway, good take and thanks for sharing it eh..

ha ha condom man. gotta suck being a trojan fan. Its an upset week. Damien over Amat.

Let this be a lesson to all who play football ...

Go into a game thinking your mess don't stink , make REPEATED STUPID mistakes & the same thing will happen to you , as it did the Trojans of USC . BELIEVE as did the OSU Beavers and see what happens the "# 1 " team LOSES ! RANKINGS MEAN ZERO !
The Beavers PLAYED TOUGH & BEAT USC ! Congrats OSU fans

USC WILL BE BACK !!!

FIGHT ON

TM

AMAT FAN, I have always enjoyed your type until NOW! FRED, give these little girls the #1 ranking. I have always pulled for AMAT until now. I hope you get left out after your league kicks your ASS! Does the #1 ranking make you feel like the man. Take it! You amat fans are worse then Glendora fans from last year.

FredJ

Try more research...

I'm talking about State rankings thru all the companies available to you at your fingertips!

Lets just start with one:
42.9 vs 27.9

You do the next one!

Your it!

Wow! 21 to 3 Oregon St. at the half, maybe USC should stick to Saturday's

King Stud,

Print the page. And FWIW I said that at 3-7 Amat may have still been the top team... but in no way lobbying for the ranking.

Quite the contrary if you look at the archives. I'm still peeking around corners from some Amat folks that wanted to air things out at the "Chalk Talks" !:?)

And thanks for asking about the baseball SOS. It was 7.5 compared to Northviews lower 6.6. Yet there I never argued that NV shouldn't get the #1 spot -they settled it where it needs to be settled... on the field where they earned it.

and I don't EVER want to belittle the job Freddy and Steve-O do. We are blessed at the Trib and, to be honest, This years coverage is as good or better than most. Every game has at least a small write up (within reason) and if anyone wants to complain about coverage - check out the Star, Bulletin or Daily News and realize how lucky you have it. Or worse... visit their blogs!!!

Anytime Fred. Make your check payable to King Stud!!

King, Um, Dad, thanks for clearing that up :) ...jokingggg

That WAS a good try but it was after Week 1 when Ohio St blew out Youngstown St that the Trojans leapfrogged the Buckeys AND Georgia (who blew out Georgia Southern) The holdup was the uncertainty with the Trojans (like the uncertainty with the new Amat Staff)

I actually got a compliment out of Joe Amat? Amazing. Maybe I should save that post. It might never happen again!!

I do have intelligence but I like to keep things simple because I look at this blog as nothing more than amusement. I have a lot of fun with the amat fans because the arrogance from most of their posts comes thru loud and clear. Someone needs to try and keep these donkey's in check.

I also believe that when people know you are intelligent they expect more out of you. So I like the acronym KISS= Keep it simple stupid philosophy. Now that people know I am smart (and humble) we can move on.

I will agree with you on one thing. Amat with that 3-7 record might have been on par with other local teams as far as them being competitive on the field but that still is no reason to rank them. Good team or not it's hard to justify them being ranked with that crappy record.

I also agree with you that amat did beat quality teams in their pre season in baseball however they had an easy road to the title. I am curious Joe did amat's baseball team have a strength of schedule ranking and if so what is it? By the way I rarely agree with you so this post will be extremely rare. Ha Ha.

In regards to Steve's posts about the rankings I believe he is 100 percent correct as far as the criteria not changing. As I stated before in regards to the college polls teams are ranked with almost the same items Steve mentioned. Amat or any other team shouldn't jump over teams who won unless that team barely squeaked by against an inferior opponent ( like Ohio state dropped before the SC game with a close win to lousy Ohio U). This may all be a mute point after this weekends games and CO will be greatly tested with their game against Rancho.

I just get sick of people railing on Fred and Steve about polls when those two guys are actually going out to see those teams on a weekly basis and Cal preps and other HS websites go off numbers. I put more stock in Steve and Fred who watch these teams than some computer geeks sitting behind a desk using a computer to crunch numbers or these LA times hacks who most likely haven't watched any of the SGV teams.

Now that people know I am bright I need to digress. AMAT SUCKSSSS BAA HAAA

PS. CO bro thanks for the nice compliment.

Also, since you brought it up Joe, another difference is that Bishop Amat has a loss, while Charter Oak is 3-0 and undefeated. If you remember, SC and Ohio State were both undefeated at the time SC jumped 'em.

The difference between Ohio State and Charter Oak Joe, is that while Ohio State squeaked by against lesser opponents, Charter Oak crushed everyone in its path

Good luck to Azusa tonite. Gonna make an effort to go and watch Gaeta, he sounds like someone that would be fun to watch. Now this a team in the SGV that I'm happy to see have a good year. Thanks for the post Fred.

Steve,

You've made yourself pretty clear. We differ on the whole "once they *solidify*" thing, but what the hey.

And you brought up the AP poll, which actually leap frogged USC over Ohio State when some question marks were answered rather quickly - and Ohio St played a garbage schedule... relatively speaking. A pretty fair comparison to this situation, I think. But you brought up the AP poll... not me.

When I said things change I was referring to FJR saying that "human polls" have "no certain structure or criteria" (though you say they they aren't "polls"). Then Freddy started to rope-a-dope with comparative scores, records, and rankings... actually using some critieria.

So I was just making that come back to haunt him. Anyway like I said... great to debate it as does any List... errr... umm... ranking... poll... whatever.

Can't wait 'tii March Madness when the NCAA pairings come out. I can hear me now... "A 12 seed... how can they be a 12... they're at least a NINE!!!!"

Fun times!

i think your wrong about workman having an easier schedule fred, azusa has ganesha on their schedule, a team who is weaker than keppel, and not only that, they both played mountain view. both these teams can go undefeated, and they meet in week 10. that should be an interesting game.

Fred,

I've read over and over again how you justify your ranking system and how others dissaprove. I can understand how posters like Joe Amat and, others who are faithful to their programs, become insensed with how your rankings are determined, compared to, lets say, the LA Times or Calpreps/Maxpreps.

When you say "CO is the best team or #1 team in the SGV". You are suggesting CO could beat ALL other teams in the SGV or at least ALL other teams on your list. Now I know you can't possibly beleive that, but your ranking system and words you use to discribe the #1 team certainly says that.

All other ranking systems are simply listed as "Who beats who" and in that order.

Joe,
Again, you missed the point of my post. You originally wrote that the criteria for ranking teams change over the course of the season.
It does not.
AGAIN, I base preseason rankings on last year's record, the amount of key returning and incoming players, and tradition. I would say under my system, I lean heavily toward the traditional powers because, well, they deserve it. Once the season starts, teams are moved up, down or out based on what happens from week to week. Agai, the criteria doesn't change, as you have claimed. If you lose, you are penalized and dropped. If you win, you move up, unless the teams ranked above you keep on winning, especially if, like Charter Oak, they do it convincingly.

KING STUD.
YOU ARE THE MAN!!!

Finally I got something worth while outta you and I can respect that. Paragraphs. Capitals. Punctation. And even some well constructed thoughts! I almost think this might be an imposter !:?)

Either way...I could agree with you... but then we'd BOTH be wrong!

I kid. Listen, NOTHING ever changes when I discuss a lower division championship (like the Amat baseball team won). YOU have NO business claiming that that championship is *as prestigious* as a championship in a higher division UNLESS you go out and prove *during the games that you can choose* that you can compete at that level (or higher) We did... and we do... so we can. Period. Nothing different... completely consistent (Right Steve-O?... and Steve - it sure takes a *heckuva effort for *several weeks* running for that non-BCS (read: lower division) team to even move into the Top 10... which is my point to start with)

So back to you you big King Stud. I was actually responding to someone who referenced last years record. Bloggers here keep telling us not to bring up the past - then they do. Interesting. Anyway since we opened the door by comparing scores from least year I thought it was interesting that the comparable scores from our lousy, little, undercoached, 3-7 livin-in-the-past football team from the barrio actually showed fairly well side-by-side with the consensus top two teams in the SGV. Makes me chuckle - that's all.

Finally I think your Nebraska comment is dead on... and actually helps prove my point if that's the way you see it. They may be yesteryears Ohio State. Your "cupcake schedule" is interesting... given the LA Times article. Were you secretly slamming the very team that you now support? I digress. Now YOU remember the Huskers as a program that beat up on soft teams and got their @$$ kicked when it counted. Is that how teams want to be remembered? And just as you mentioned the Bugeaters critics... or the critics of the Buckeyes playing Youngstown State, Ohio University and Troy - so are there critics of those who with "wimpy schedules" that play CalPreps 451st, 482nd, and 491st best team and get credit for it .

Everybody together now... chant ,
"We're Number... FOUR HUNDRED FIFTY!!!
We're Number... FOUR HUNDRED FIFTY!!!"

No, I'm giving Amat 76 a hard time. I don't care where our teams are ranked in other polls, I've always felt Steve and I know the SGV teams better than other pollsters, many of who do not watch our teams because the areas they cover are too broad, such as it is with the L.A. Times, CIF, CalPreps and MaxPreps.

Steve,

Interesting job describing how you achieve your rankings.

Clear as Galveston Bay the day after Ike.

Also interesting how you can draw analogies with the AP poll which post BCS means nothing outside the gratification of a few sportswriters. You're probably the go-to guy when I need help understanding how FSU and Minnesota got AP votes last week, (I can see where some ink stained wretch from the backwoods of Missisippi might cast a ballot for South Carolina thinking it was really for the other USC).

Fred: Do you really compare the CIF Pac-5 poll against the Southeast to make your picks?

Say it ain't so.

Loved your post King!

Freddy, Freddy, Freddy,

Be careful what argument you're trying to use to prove your point. It could get you in trouble. By that rationale last week you should have placed Western Christian above Glendora because WC was #10 in their itty-bitty division and GHS was unranked!

Amat 76 asks, do your research, where is Charter Oak compared to Amat in most rankings? Okay, let's start with the CIF rankings, which is used for playoff seedings. Bishop Amat is unranked in the Pac-5 while Charter Oak is the top-ranked team in the Southeast.

Joe,
Your logic is very funny. You continue to use any means necessary to prop up amat. You still on the payroll there? The only reason you like to use "your" version of logic is when it suits your point or when defending amat even when amat is indefensible.

You come on here and try and defend a 3-7 season which is extremely laughable at best. How many people ever remember teams with sub 500 records even if every game was a tough one? NO ONE with the exception of you. I must admit Joe, or whatever your real name is, I get a kick out of you. You are intelligent even if your logic sometimes is very skewed.

Go look at any of the top college football polls. Do you ever see any 3-7 teams in those? Hell no. You might see a team with a few losses to top teams still in the top 25 but no one will ever rank someone with a 3-7 record. You might see a team with 4 or 5 losses still ranked at the end of the season if they played top notch teams like maybe an SEC team. So to say that amat with that record would be in the top 10 in SGV is just plane stupidity. Come on Joe. You are much smarter than that.

Just because CO plays lower level teams and wins is no reason to drop them in Fred or Steve's poll. The only time teams ever drop is a poll is when they lose or play a poor team and play poorly. CO has done neither and it rightly is number 1 till they lose. Fred and Steve have been taking a lot of flak ( mostly from amat donkeys) about their poll. The problem is they are 100 percent right.

Just think back to Nebraska Joe. You are an old guy so I am sure you remember them. Remember when they use to play cupcake schedules go 10-0 and then get their ass handed to them in a bowl game? People thought of them as a top program because they kicked ass till the bowl game. No one and I mean no one would remember a Missouri team with a 3-7 record that year because they play tough teams. Their critics always complained that that played an easy schedule to get to that bowl game.

The object of any season is to win and win championships no matter the level. Just like you tried to defend the amat boys baseball team for winning the girls D5 title. Amat was put there by CIF and won the games they should win just like CO is doing. So on one hand you defend the baseball team which has no business in Div 5 but then get critical of CO for a soft schedule. You can't have it both ways Joey my boy!!

Ummm, what were you doing up at 3:46 pal :)

Fred,

You were late on this one big guy.

I posted the Times story on Charter Oak at 3:46 Am.

Beat ya on that one there ha ha.

Joe Amat,

There is no varying in my system for rankings teams. It starts with the preseason, where I believe the teams making the top 10 is based on what they did the previous season, their returing players and key newcombers and what the program has accomplished over a decent period of years; teams who have been successful are more likely to be ranked higher, those who haven't get downgraded. But once I come up with a top 10, then I let the season determine if they move up, down or out. I just happen to believe once a position is established, a team has to play their way out of it.
What I didn't like about the L.A. Times rankings is how they jumped Bishop Amat from unranked to No. 13, leapfrogged three teams who won, one - Los Alamitos - which is a traditional power. I think you do a dis-service to the higher ranked team when they did what they were supposed to do. As long as they do that, they earned the right to at least hold their current rating.
You said, that rankings should be based on who would beat who.
I think the preseason rankings should be based on who would beat who on a neutral field, but once the season has begun, I believe it has to be a mix of who would be who and giving those teams who are having successful seasons a reward. It's a fine balance If Bishop Amat is 0-6 and Azusa is 6-0, don't you think they deserve to ranked ahead of them?
It's no different in the AP rankings, where sometimes an undefeated team from a non-BCS conference is ranked ahead of a strong BCS team, which happens to have a few losses despite facing a tougher schedule.

Why would you use my name under false pretense??? ARCEO?? I never said I played for schuster! Are you refering to what "NOPE" BLOG EARLIER? That isn't me my man! Don't start no sh*t, Idiot! I GRADUATED IN 1980, FOOL!

Be straight up! This blogging cra*p is all make believe!

What wrote you isn't cool!!!

Don't smear my name!!!

JACK A**

Fred

The point isn't where your team or our team finished, the reality is where the teams you're playing finished.

The Times and some do really have a take on it. Where is Amat in most ranking compared to CO?

Simple research.

Mr Arceo you never played under schuster

Yes Joe, and they beat them convincingly! After the way Ricky Johnson and Jesse Ili moved the ball last week against Amat, something tells me Muema would get his yards against the Lancers. And I kind of like the fact that Charger Oak has a third-year starting QB in reserve in Chris Allen, who might be a little more experienced under pressure than West Covina's sophomore QB. I saw enough of Charter Oak last year, and enough of Amat this year to say that would be a very close game. Also, remember, Charter Oak also whacked Diamond Ranch in the Miramonte finale. They're more than capable.

Mark my words Aquinas will spank Azusa good. This is not even a contest. Fred you may not want to put a picture of a Amat guy or CO guy on your Thurs. cover next week. You had the Albert Cid story last Thurs. and his team got destroyed by Amat and now this Azusa kid Gaeta and his team will tank vs Aquinas. Kind of The Sports illustrated jinx you got going there at the Tribune.

If Encino Crespi (3-0) emerges as the No. 1 seed for the Pac-5 Division playoffs, the school won't be allowed to have a first-round playoff home game as punishment for inviting and hosting two Santa Monica High football players on the sideline during last year's playoff game against Mater Dei, Southern Section spokesman Thom Simmons confirmed Thursday.

Even if Crespi starts the playoffs on the road, it won't be allowed to host a second-round game. The sanction was not publicly announced last fall.

"It wasn't anything intentional," Crespi Coach Jeremiah Ross said. "It was more of an oversight."

Crespi also lost a Southern Section ruling this week over the transfer of an offensive lineman from St. Bernard. The Southern Section declared the player ineligible because of prior contact rules. Crespi hired an assistant coach who had previously worked with the player.

So... then it would follow that if you are going by *opponents records* you would also look at Amat's *opponents records*?

Or you could just talk about this year and say the #1 team has beaten CalPreps 451st, 482nd, and 491st best team.

Joe, Amat 76 made a comment talking about Charter Oak's opponents' records in 2007. I simply pointed out if that's the criteria he wants to use, then Amat was 3-7 last season.

donkey,

The funny things, even how much of an abomination (look it up) the 3-7 season was, Amat still may have been the top team in the valley using some of the logic Fred and Steve state below.

Now Fred wants to use some research and past performance (when a couple days ago there was "no certain structure or criteria" in a "human poll") and Steve is looking for a "chain of evidence".

If last years CO/WC comparative scores provide some criteria for the rankings, then we can use some comparative scores too. South Hills and Amat had similar scores against Rancho Cucamonga. Rancho beat up on West Covina, which one could deduce that the Lancers would have too. If similar scores provide some intelligence into making what I will now refer to as *The List* (not a "ranking"). Then Amat and CO would compare as well.

You can't pick and choose when you want to use logic and when you want to go by feelings. Well, you can... it's just not as consistent or credible.

we have'nt played a game with are entire team yet. Im not saying it would matter against south hills but we will be missing a few keys guy. South hills is going to win the game no doubt i just dont want are guys to quit. If they put out a full effort and play with heart im cool with the L. as far as league if we can get Healthy we should be fine. we played ok against ayala, should have beat Monrovia and Pomona is better then you think. Do not Underestimate them there fast with a nice back field.

we have'nt played a game with are entire team yet. Im not saying it would matter against south hills but we will be missing a few keys guy. South hills is going to win the game no doubt i just dont want are guys to quit. If they put out a full effort and play with heart im cool with the L. as far as league if we can get Healthy we should be fine. we played ok against ayala, should have beat Monrovia and Pomona is better then you think. Do not Underestimate them there fast with a nice back field.

NO!!! Shuster did not do anything i was a former player under him and a player under Scherf. Scherf should have been head coach a long time ago.

AZUSA GOOD LUCK TONIGHT! Coach SCHERF, much continue success to you tonight and the rest of the season. Great story about Gaeta, AZUSAS quarterback, he's come along way. Great job Fred!

AZTEC PRIDE!

i would like give a pat on the back to Azusa. to say there one of the elite of the montview i give them that, but to even think there the top team in the montview thats jus going to far. Duarte schedule is far more stronger than azusa's its not even close. once duarte starts league people are gonna forget about azusa great pre-season. plus la puente is gonna start to heat up soon hopefully and lets jus put this to rest already.

You want to destroy Wilson High school defense's it is simple attack the Corner's that can not tackle especially the Left side. Have Gilmore make all the tackles and he won't run all over you on offense.

Don't underestimate those Warriors. GO LP!!!

Steve,

I agree with you once you "solidify" spots. A relatively arbitrary preseason placement, in my mind, doesn't solidify a spot. After a couple weeks you have a better idea how teams are performing in the new season.

However, to have a "human" ranking not have any structure or criteria (as Fred mentioned a couple days ago) just gets you in trouble. A *ranking*, as described by Don, says of who can beat who this Friday on a neutral field.

Otherwise it's just a list, not a ranking. Either way, it's great conversation fodder for sure.

is there anything funnier than 3-7 teams fans talking crap? they win 2 games this year and all of a sudden they think they are number one. Amat fans are all donkeys

amat 76
i guess that means amat hasnt had many statements in the last decade.

Well... this is the challenge of the season for Azusa. I love to see small local teams (ie Azusa) have great seasons... like they seem to be having thus far. Having said that, Aquinas will, beyond any doubt, be the biggest challenge. In other words, if they do loose a game this season, this will be the one. In fact, I think Aquinas will win this game +14 or more. But deep down inside, I'm really pulling for the Aztecs! I think Azusa High School owes a real debt of gratitude to coach Shuster. He got this ball rolling in the right direction over the past several years, and while he's no longer there, it was his vision that got things on track! Go get em Azusa!

But you also have to have a "chain of evidence" so to speak. If you have a team ranked ahead of an other, and the higher rated team does what it supposed to and beyond, you can't penalize them. As long as they continue to do what they are suppose to, they deserve their present ranking.

Research? Charter Oak went to the semifinals and blew out West Covina twice last year. Bishop Amat went 3-7. In 2006 Charter Oak went to the championship with the same quarterback it has now. Again, you can knock Charter Oak because of its soft schedule, not when it blows out the teams it's supposed to beat. Now, they're schedule gets tougher.

I beleive I read somewhere on this blog that the Chargers first three games were against teams that finshed 9-21 last year.

Just maybe the Times looks at things a little different than the tribune. They seems to do a little more research. Any team can run up the numbers against weaker opponents and you dont have to blow them out to make a statement as some have mentioned.

Statements are made when you beat teams that you're not suppose to beat.

GO AMAT