After all is said and done amat is still #13 and proud of it.

Ron English Ganesha Alum former defensive coordinator @ Michigan before Rodriguez was hired & is currently @ Louisville as the defensive coordinator.

Also had stints with San Diego ST, AZ ST, & in the NFL with the Seattle Seahawks.

If Amat is always ranting about their glory days why can't G-High?? I don't understand why so many people on here hate on Amat's bloggers...

COJOE,
You are still a CO racist. I am telling you Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton will be at your game vs Cucamonga...they will be looking to talk to your sorry a--

psssst.... GHigh forever

...don't... bring... up... the... '80s....

it offends... some .... bloggers.

especially... those... that ... have... no... history.

trust us.... we know.

just... tryin... to ... help.

ssshhhh!

COJOE,

who's degrading who? No one here has started a post with *Charter Oak losers*.

They have simply stated the truth - that while you may have "stepped up" ... the stairs are not nearly as high!

Amat losers, where have you been the last 3 yrs? Chargers have stepped up and made playoffs as BA got to go and watch. Get over it, see where things end up. IF you rise to the top god bless you. Stop degradind COHS prgram. When you are a winner again then shout and brag.

You're right, and I don't know much about Ganesha football history, except that they won a CIF championship in 1983 and made the Finals and semi's numerous times before the Diamond Bar kids decided not to go to Pomona schools (hence the creation of Diamond Ranch). The mixture of Diamond Bar and Pomona kids on one football team was an extreme combination. Now we are predominantly about boys soccer-maybe we'll get someone in the MLS soon. Yada, yada, yada.

GHigh-the Angels play football? I'm sure you aren't bringing other sports into it-that's asking for more trouble. usually people go with blah,blah,blah when they have nothing else to say.

No donkey boy, AMAT is Lancerland your domain is ass land. Maybe with the green and gold colors you will look like one of your relatives, Charlie O.ha ha ha

A short Ganesha list:
Mike Harkey Angels
Dana Hall 49ers
Floyd Eddings NY Giants
Lloyd Jones Tampa Bay
Lots of D.1 Soccer Players
Blah Blah Blah

Damien is going to get rocked by the Lancers. The only green and Yellow you will be seeing is in your Shorts after the game. Amat in a lopsided victory
52-12

get it right,

Was Donnie ever on an NFL roster? Did I miss something... Donnie was one of my favorite kids.

That list was players who've been on NFL rosters.

how is everything in ass land? when i take a trip to the amat campus i will be sure to give you an update from ass land. I will have my green colors on this week. GOOOOOOOOO DAMIEN

Joe Amat..I'll call your WILL ROBINSON and raise you DONNIE MCCLSKY..

Well donkey boy you came out from the rock you were hiding under. How's everything in ass land. Yes we have turned the corner and things are getting better each week. We will see what happens the last 4 weeks and with this new staff we have a much better chance at winning than we have had the past 2 seasons. Remember game time at 7:30 this Friday and be sure to have your green and gold on because Damien is your team this week.

let's hear Ganesha's "ridiculous lists"

enough already -"plenty of schools with successful football alumni"? in the SGV?
name them?

I like the lists because bloggers are supposed to be nerds. Every school in this area probably could have ridiculous lists-Sycamore Elementary was where folk music creation Ben Harper attended. Who knew?

Joe Amat,
Enough already with the list. Most of the kids at AMAT have no idea who most of these people are. They are just pictures on the walls. (Unless they are coaching.) There are plenty of schools with successful football alumni.

LIVING LOSER,

CO signed up with BA when both teams were down, IDIOT. BA had a better down team that CO did. BA should always rule the SGV regardless! CO also kicked the crap out of a better WC team last year, twice. I have said many of time on this blog that the valley is better when BA is best. I'm sick of some of you guy's trying to make up for the past failers so quickly this year. Good luck against Damien. P.S. you don't need it.

all u people saying that any team from the south east division would get wooped on against a pac 5 team are kinda dumb i understand were ur comming from but heres my point any team can beat any team on any given day all that matters is who shows up, whos prepared, and who wants it more the perfect example the dolphins patriots game the patriots are clearly the better team but the dolphins came to play and the pats didnt so my point is u can say all u want about teams would slaughter teams but u dont know until they play

Ummm Fred if CO played BA, the score might be the same as the WC game...There is a reason Big Lou does not sign the Lancers anymore cause his team would get there butts kick....that is the truth

amats program has turned the corner after 3 games? baa haa. wait till amat gets their ass handed to them in the last 4 games of the season and the only thing turning will be the page to next season.

Oh, and one more thing here. CalHi sports has just ranked Amat as number 1 as the cockiest fans in the State of California.

Thats a good point that was made about the rankings just now.

If Amat win's and and CO loses, then, we are still both gonna be 3-1 (regardless of how big the point spread was in these games).

So, of course, CO must remain on top of Amat regardless of the outcome because, they are holding onto that coveted top spot.

They are the best in the SGV as of now right ?

After all, if Steve rankes Amat ahead of Co, regardles of any point differential in these games, then you have to question his entire approach because, at 3-1, CO has clearly been a better team than Amat has been. No inconsistancy here right folks.

And sense we are speaking of records, where does that leave the other undefeated teams in the valley, assumng of course that there are any after this week ?

Would they now move up, or would they still be rated lower than Amat or CO ?

To JoeAmat: I appreciate the comment about consistency. Unfortunately, until we beat San Dimas, I don't believe Ganesha deserves to be in the volleyball top ten. Maybe it will happen this year. We love being a part of the SGV blogs-you bloggers should appreciate this. The sister paper Daily Bulletin has nothing like this. Congrats to Fred and Steve for their work.

Bob May?

Oooooh, he would have spanked you something good.

You probably don't remember, but when Tom Mchugh told your dad to bring you out to play the assistant, that was me. Think Willie also played with us.

Conq, BTW, I blame Edgewood, they didn't have a golf team, forced me to play tennis. I was ready to go head-up with your Bobby May.

Sour note? Nah, never took that too seriously, being an avid golfer's good enough for me.

Hey Don - Like your post but I would be really careful bad mouthing the Mt. Baldy League. In reference to Claremont it is not an insult to say that they should go into the league but when you make the inference that the Valle Vista is some kind of juggernaut compared to the Mt. Baldy League I have to laugh.That league is down this year but I would be interested to see head to haed the records of the Mt Baldy -v- Valle Vista. I remember Diamond Ranch Trouncing Northview (a playoff team) a few years ago. Colony in 06 and 07 (and maybe this year) would have easily won the VV League and would be the 2nd or third place team this year.
Garey - the perennial doormat usually plays Pomona tough (who owned the VVL as recently as 2003)
Not saying the Mt. Baldy is the best but overall a better league than the VVL, Montview, Mission Valley and Rio Hondo. And the top 3 (Lugo, Colony, Chaffey) typically as good as West Covina, South Hills (probably only Colony), and Rowland (DL beat them last year and in 2005)

Freddie

Sour note on the golf pro issue?

The reality is that most schools have a couple names-Amat has a list.

GOD I miss those lists!

fred? do you rank Diamond Ranch(1-2) ahead of Azusa(3-0) becuase of ..what's the rational here, strength of schedule or because DR would beat them in your estimation? but the same rational is not applied in Amats case, you said Amat would beat CO if they were to play and obviously the strength of schedule is much stronger for Amat, you seem so inconsistent, why is that? sac up for a change willya!

Face facts co is number one due to fact they have not lost and we have 1 loss . Big games for both schools this Friday. But don't be surprised even if co loses a close one and we squeak by Damien that we remain #2 because we will both have 1 loss and I believe co has beaten Damien also in the past.In the long run AMAT'S program has turned the corner and the future looks bright which is all that matters. Let's work towards a league championship then on to CIF because in the long run that is the measuring stick. The coveted # 1 in the PAC-5 division.Then let them try to deny us.

Just flip this top ten upside down it does not matter The Tribunes inconsistency will always be there. "Made as you go rules. Hit that one on the Nail. Top Ten with the excuse of the Tribune:
1.) Diamond Ranch (hey they played Oaks Christian)
2.)Bonita (lucky Green Jerseys they wear)
3.)West Covina (They had that opening Drive vs Amat)
4.)Rosemead (Hey Trojan man this more like it)
5.)Northview (Black is intimidating)
6.)Glendora (the Pasker in full season form)
7.)San Dimas (Just Nico being Nico)
8.)South Hills (Cameron Deen or Dino the Dinosaur)
9.)Bishop Amat (should not even be in this top ten)
10.)Charter Oak (Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson will be at your next game)

Human polls aren't like computers, there is no certain structure or criteria.

Amat will be there at the top Next Weds. With their win at home vs Damien and CO losing to Rancho Cucamonga it will solidify itself. UNLESS??So Hills or San Dimas wins big. Hey it's the Tribune where these are made as you go rules for rankings. Nothing is structured. Would not surprise me one bit.

This early in the season, it is impossible not to at least consider the previous years performances when evaluating and putting together a top 10 list. Amat has a chance to excel this year and I hope they do so, but because of their lack of performance last year nad in previous years, and becuase CO did live up to expectaions, Amat has some work to do to solidify its position at the top of the valley.

Play the games, get the job done and then proudly take your place as the top of the valley.

Congratulations to amat being ranked #24 in the state, #13 in the times and still whining on not being #1 in the valley(something they claim not to care about).

whitey, please go to the CO coach and ask him why he won't schedule amat. After he gives you an answer you've being asking people who can't answer for him, you can tell us all about it.

CO 4 Life,

I'll call your Jason David and raise you a:
BRIAN RUSSELL
RALPH BROWN
WILL ROBINSON
RYAN SMITH
JASON LEACH
JOEY GETHERALL
DAYLON MCCUTCHEON
KORY MINOR
SCOTT FIELDS
MAZIO ROYSTER
ERIC BIENIEMY
TROY AUZENNE
CHARLES FRALEY
JOHN JACKSON
RANDY TANNER
RON BROWN
ARNOLD FIELDS
PAUL MCDONALD
JOHN SCIARRA
PAT HADEN
JOHN MCKAY JR.
ADRIAN YOUNG

just sayin"

Co 4 LIfe,

Yes I know about Jason David and thats great he has worked hard to get where he is and its cool to see him play but you just dont see alot of Charter Oak players playing in Division 1 Football or lower levels. Amat and even South Hills gets kids to the next level. It just seem sCharter Oak cares only about developing players to win now not to develop them to move on to the next level.

Example trade Schedules.
Have Amat play CO's Schedule and Have CO play Amats schedule then tell me who is Number one.

What's the point scheduling weak teams in pre-season as CO does? Does this really build confidence in the players? They know way should be rated #1 by the Tribune based on their weak schedule. All this does is make the Trib's ranking system suspect. I prefer other ranking systems which actually places weight on the teams schedule when determing ranks.

No Argument, CO would be 0-3 with Glendora's or Amat's pre-season tough schedule.

Until CO plays somebody ranked higher than themselves on a legitment ranking system, the Tribune should hold off ranking them #1 in the Valley. This disrespects all teams on the list which chooses to play a legitiment preseason schedule.

Prepfootballjunkie:
If CO players never go anywhere You must not watch the NFL.. Does the name Jason David Ring a bell?? Oh and lets not forget Ralph Brown from Amat. Who has a super bowl ring? Who plays??

Step it up,

You want D7 teams in the Southeast to play Pac 5 teams..heck they wont even schedule them in their non league because their coaches are smart. They know they will get banged around and will limp into their league games. SH could barely hang in there with La Habra and you want them to play Crespi. oh what a mess that would be. See what happened to Diamond Ranch as they played Oaks Christian but this coach Layton has the reverse Idea. Play the best and your team feels stronger playing the so called weak come league, but it does not always work out that way because you get banged up and your confindence is way down after losing and getting pounded so much by bigger teams.

According to Amat fans, they are the best team in California and the nation...You heard it hear first...They will not make the playoffs. What have they done in the last five years?

Take any team from the Southeast Division 7 and put them in the pac 5 Division 1 and they will be the Bassett/Ganesha doormat to these teams in the Pac5...Take any of those teams and have them play at least 4 of the pac5 teams for league play. Example Charter Oak supposedly better than So. Hills Have them play Loyola, St. John Bosco, Los Alamitos and Tesoro. Sorry but 0-4 and spanked. Imagine a match up with Mater Dei,LB Poly or a Crespi. get the picture.??

Oh, and one more thing here. CalHi sports has just ranked Amat as number 24th in the State of California.

Not in the SGV folks, but in the STATE OF CALIFORNIA !!

NEWS NEWS NEWS!!!

http://www.latimes.com/sports/highschool/la-spw-prepnotes24-2008sep24,0,5390237.story

Let's let go of the whole valley ranking thing LANCERS, our proud men in royal blue have bigger fish to tackle, sack, and score on.

Peace be with you all SGV!

Holy smokes! Rankings bring out the best in people don't they.

Fred, why don't you wait a few weeks before you start ranking teams, much like a fair number of college rankings systems do. But then again, I know you have to sell papers and have web traffic so I know your stuck between a rock a hard place.

Not trying to be a smart aleck, just trying to make sense of this.

Well, lets look at this another way shall we. In fact, let’s look at this as objectively as we can.

In the LA Times prep section, we once again, have yet another article on the Amat football program.

It just keeps getting better here...

This makes at least two, maybe three postings in the Times for that "fat girl" that you once used to date.

Maybe I’m missing something here, but obviously that fat girl is allot better looking than you first thought.

BTW, isn’t it ironic that no other SGV team has had as much press, in almost "every" regional media outlet in the greater Los Angels market, as has Amat this season?

Ok, so what if we are not number one here. We know who we are, and were we are.

once again there it is

the first and only reference amat has is a win over a d-7 small school

your mad at the head of this blog and CO SOUTH HILLS AND LA fans but what you should be mad at is your underachieving for the last 11 years

a few upsets mixed with a win over CO and you guys think your god

how do u beat O LU and lose to los osos?? call it lucky call it inconsistant

bishop amat = that hot girl that you went to high school with that is now single fat and lonely

The Ranch Parent,

I have to take a piece of this one because so much of what you said is so funny. Having spent many years on the wrong side of the tracks in Covina (the poor side), then spending a good period in Chino Hills, Rancho (where I find myself now) is nothing to brag about with numerous homes in foreclosure (ever been around Banyan Elementary with 10 year old homes all boarded up ...great community and that is the rich side of town near Los Osos not the poor side of town.

As for your football, why did he Baseline get dropped from Inland Division? Perhaps one and done rings a bell for you in terms of Los Osos bragging about four league championships and never making it past the first round.

Now let me think you have Ghetto-wanda High School, Gehetto-Loma High School and Los Put&s High School. Ghettowanda was your last champion in something like 92 when most of of the SGV varsity players were born.

The city's high schools are chopped up into so many pieces no one school will ever win anything and Upland is going to tear the rest of the Rancho hood a new $%#hole.

Yes, your superior community (mostly in foreclosure), great schools and numerous CIF championships all support what you are saying.

You can't possibly be from Rancho, but I will give you Tio's ain't bad for Mexican food.

Your only movie reference is in "Next Friday" as Rauncho not rancho. I am sorry, but there is too much material about Rauncho as I could on and on, but you have to be jocking about your city, right?

-J

the Rancho guy does make some good points, Rancho like Charter Oak has a ton of transfers, some excellent speed/track guys and a very good coach, Baiz.........yup Bob Baizs kid...... they've got ,speed,size and are starting to get some discipline, and they play in a much higher conference than anyone in the SGV except for the true #1 team, AMAT......fred , how ridiculous does it sound to have a team rated #1 but you'd bet that the #2 team would beat them, are you insane....at least the Times makes a poll from numerous sources and even my ex-wife is as knowledgeable as you, stick with HS golf,volleyball and badminton and leave the important stuff to someone qualified, this paper(trib) is completely and utterly laughable, doing the same stupid stuff as b4, when Covina was rated over Amat, and Amat was the Division I champions that year, that was and still is asinine..........not since Bud Tucker , who was trying for a laugh, have I laughed as hard as I am tonight, looking at your line of thinking........just ask Farrar, point blank , why he didn't re-schedule with Amat, he knows for a fact they are better!! even last years team at 3-7 would have whupped them

This blog is an abortion!

Posted by: "The Ranch" Parent

i think your parents should have had one!!

Loyola, St. Paul, OL, Charter Oak.... oh sorry the latter isn't a big one they said it's one we were supposed to win!

WOW A 6-4 TEAM WHO MISSED THE PLAYOFFS LAST YEAR IS ON THIS BLOG TALKIN CRAP

GO RANCHO

BISHOP AMAT SHOULD BE EMBERASSED THAT THERES EVEN AN ARGUEMENT TO PROMOTE ANOTHER TEAM AS NUMBER 1

YOU GUYS HAVE ALL THE TOOLS BUT DONT KNOW HOW TO USE THEM

ASKE ANY RANDOM AROUND THE VALLEY IF THEY CAN NAME 3 BISHOP AMAT FOOTBALL PLAYERS

THEY CANT! CUZ THERES NO ONE

GREAT JOB BEATING WEST COVINA YOU GUYS HAVENT SEEN DECEMBER SINCE 1996

ASK A BISHOP AMAT FAN ABOUT THERE BIGGEST WIN IN THE LAST 5 YEARS THEYLL SAY AN UPSET OF OVERRATED ORANGE LUTHERAN AND 2 WINS AGINST A D7 TEAM (CHARTER OAK)

GREAT WAY TO SPEND YOUR LAST 5 YEARS

YOUR A JOKE AND YOU GUYS TRAVEL IN PACKS BECAUSE YOUR INSECURE!

OUUUUUT

Ranch Parent,

I'm trying to remember, how did Rancho Cucamonga and your "...higher level of football that is more athletic and competitive than the San Gabriel Valley...." do in the inferior SGV last year against South Hills AND an Amat team that was *extremely* down?

No predictions about Friday... just a bit forgetful. Help me out.

The coaches and Athletic Directors in the SGV know who #1 in the valley is. Everytime they sit down at the table to discuss who they want to play and who they want to AVOID in the preseason! Enough said!

fred,

have i finally got you too drink ghs coolaid? man, its been tough, but you have finally looked past our week d line and accepted the fact that our offense has some play makers and will probably beat most teams in a shootout. our d backs are being ridiculed, but honestly, our d line is not putting presure on the q back, we will have a huge challenge stopping wc backs, but we will prevail. lots of young talent on both sides of the ball. their are some kids who played youth football in glendora who are not attending ghs because it was alot easier getting playing time with uncle lou than they would have at ghs, but thats tipical of uncle lou, just ask 20 years worth of players who have gone through metro link high, its all about who you know, good luck uncle lou if you ever play anyone with a winnning record, you are sooo overrated

After practice today I talked to my son and he said their coach said (no name mentioned) to go to this website for the latest “scoop” on Charter Oak. Wow, I never imagined that I would be a witness to this kind dispute and now I am participating but let me settle the score once and for ALL. Read and observe how we refined, sophisticated, urbanized citizens communicate compared to you primitive subhumans. We, the Rancho Cucamonga Cougars are going to defeat the Chargers by a very large margin! Why? Simply for these reasons:
1. The Inland Empire clearly plays a higher level of football that is more athletic and competitive than the San Gabriel Valley. We also have probably better coaching overall too but I will honor and recognize you do have a few “big name” coaches.
2. Los Osos beat Bishop Amat (Pac 5 D-1 parochial school) and we are absolutely without a doubted a better and more talented football team than the Grizzles. Our coaching honestly is better too than Los Osos and at the very least I thought Bishop Amat would beat them for that reason alone if nothing else.
3. We physically hurt and devastated Damien’s morale and season with a convincing victory by yet another parochial school and this team definitely is a bigger, better football team than Charter Oak proven in years past and how bad they have beaten the Chargers too.
4. If Damien is our damaged goods than Charter Oak will probably have to forfeit their season after we get done embarrassing them this week.
5. I refer back to #1. NO ONE in your Valley even compares to the caliber of programs like we have especially when someone like us remember our name RANCHO CUCAMONGA COUGARS has so many returning starters on offense and defense that are also state champions in track.
6. I will grant you this one compliment because one of our coaches did tell some of us parents back when we first heard and signed the contract that Charter Oak in regards to football programs, coaches, schemes, etc. is a top notch upper echelon program around the Southland but…
7. You cannot compare your best to our best because your Valley is “old news” and the I.E. is literally the “hotbed” for schools, programs, and athletes that just continues to produce C.I.F. Champions and D-1 players while your Valley has nothing to show for themselves but an argument over a Pac-5 parochial trying prove their better than a D-6 school. Ridiculous! We as parents initially were not even happy with the decision to play Charter Oak because unless we played Bishop Amat from your Valley which would come in four place in our league, playing the Chargers this week our fear is we play down at their level instead of our own.
8. Remember I stated this that Charter Oak will not renew their contract with us and will regret they even attempted to compete with an Inland Empire football team!
Bishop Amat concentrate and focus your energy for your brothers the Chargers and say an extra prayer for them instead! And advice to you too is get out of your contract as well! This blog is an abortion!

Queenie,

Like I said earlier, of course Charter Oak is the #1 team in the valley. After all, they have beaten CalPreps 451st, 482nd, and 491st best team. Where else would they be ranked after "solidifying" their spot in the *preseason* poll and running off that impressive string of victories.

Logical.

You amat morons need to STFU. Fred has a logical reason for CO being number 1. They are the King till proven other wise. So go wash those raider t-shirts for fridays nights game. The King has spoken.

Simple solution for you amat fans, get off this blog and run over to the times. You can then tell them how you are so happy to be ranked #13.

Fred,

"How pathetic are you" just ripped you a new one.

BTW, I know for a fact that all that screaming I just heard in the next room was because of the fact that he did'nt bother to use any K-Y jelly on ya....Ouch.

Good post, and well deserved I might add

I don't care how other publications or web pages rate our teams in the SGV, we know our area better than them.

charter oak put 52 points up in 06-07 season with no snowden

so talk your trash but CO is number one!

AMAT ALWAYS THINKS THEY SHOULD BE NUMBER 1 IN THE BLOGS

YOUR COMPETING TO BE NUMBER ONE WITH ALL DIVISON 6 SCHOOLS RANK YOUR SELF AMONG YOUR DIVISON

Prepfootballjunkie, where have you been? "CO players never get scholorships"? Is this your first year as a junkie?
Ever heard of USC or UCLA? Maybe Jason David?

Prepfootball doorknob,

Two of the three teams they played are in a higher division. Let it play out this week against a strong Rancho team "I who sit in the stands". I love you A-HOLE IDIOTS who comment yet never got past the JV level!

Fred... Im a bit confused... How is it that Bishop Amat is ranked #13 in the LA Times poll... which covers football from the OC,IE,LACo, and LA City section...And They (Bishop Amat HS) are the only team from the SGV in the top 25 (unless you wish to include Upland which is ranked # 14, but I doubt that since they are not included in the SGV Poll)... YET Charter Oak is ranked #1 and ahead of BAHS in the SGV poll?

How is it that COHS is the best team in the valley, yet they aren't ranked in the big SoCal Poll... and the 'second best team in the valley' is literally in the middle of the big SoCal poll?

It just doesn't make sense.

Joe Amat, that's exactly what happened ...

Truth in the pudding ... you may like steak, but you eat hamburger most of the time.

Always right ... You have no idea how rankings work. You don't rank teams based on who you think would beat who regardless of records. Let's say USC lost two football games near the end of the season while Utah ran the table and went undefeated. 'SC would fall behind Utah in the rankings, but there's no way in you know what that you would pick Utah over 'SC at a neutral field.

Freddy!,

Gotta give you a hard time.

I was reading the fishwrap today and in your article about Glendora changing the venue for their game against West Covina you wrote, they are

"...going to take on the *Spartans* on Saturday night..."

Flashbacks?!?

Is Maggiore pulling out the baby blue throwbacks for that one? Nah... an old Trojan would never have such a thing!

Fred, somebody did ask you how Azusa could be ranked below a 1-2 Damien, and in in your best journalistic prose, said it was a ridiculous question, you have no clue at the trib , do you...so if Amat would beat CO and you have CO on top, you've got some serious issues with integrity and or understanding of the game!

No one is asking for Amat to be number one. The SGV knows this already, we dont need a useless paper like the Tribune to tell us this. See The L.A. Times and find me another SGV school in their top 25 list. Comparing the L.A. Times to the SGV Tribune... Well we all like a good juicy Steak(L.A. Times)but sometimes we stray and have to eat Hamburger (SGV Tribune)....but you know what we always come back to the Steak. It is so much better.

I'd take Bishop Amat over anyone in the Valley in a straight-up game at a neutral place. Even when Bishop was 3-7 last year, I would have said the same thing. But that doesn't mean you rank Bishop Amat No. 1 evey week for those reasons. You have to earn your ranking. Nobody is complaining that I have (1-2) Damien No. 13 behind 11. Azusa (3-0). The Aztecs earned that spot, but in a straight up game, again, I'm going with Damien.

FRED

WHAT WOULD YOUR LINE BE IN A GAME BETWEEN AMAT AND C.O. PLAYED ON A NEUTRAL FIELD. THIS FRIDAY. NOW BE HONEST.

My bad i meant they can't stack up agaisnt a stron team from the O.C

Hey Sevenduece,

Just ask Charter oak about Trabucco Hills last year and El Dorado the year before. They can stack up against a good O.C school.

Don,
Again, I agree with you. I live close to San Dimas High School, so I regularly take in their games. I've noticed over the last three years that Coach Z has steadily tried to limit two way players. With the exception of three or four youngsters, nearly every one of the players only plays on one side of the ball. It's the biggest reason their O-Line is playing so well - they are well rested on every series. I've said it many times, schools like CO and Amat have no real limit to their potential. Amat due to their abiltiy to recruit and CO due in large part to the excellent coaching.
Player development and the depth that goes along with it is the key to long term success. That's how CO does it year in and year out and that's why some other programs suffer.

though i agree amat is the best team in the san gabriel valley, i find it interesting that some of the same people who say it's ludicrous to cross reference co's victory of wc last year to amat's this year are those who repeatedly mention that amat beat co a couple years ago. just a funny thought to me. that being said, amat is still the better team. i'd be interested in knowing how co has done against tougher teams throughout its history. i think sometime in the 80's they were moved from a lessor league/division, where it had won a cif championship the prior year, to the sierra league and was thoroughly dominated. i'm not sure if i'm correct, but i think i am. how have they done against great competition since then?

Im suprised CO schedule didnt include St Lucy's. Maybe thats why you never see Charter Oak players get scholarships because they just dont play anyone. Amat players do get notice because of their schedule I have to give them that. Anyways I believe that a High School football program is sucessful when they get players to the next level and not just win cha,pionships.

Thanks JW; FWIW, my 1, 2, 3 are so close as to almost be a tie. Almost.

I also think that C O has the most potential for growth since they began the year with the least experienced team.

When I looked at the finished list I was struck by how unbalanced the power is; any of the top six teams, (IMHO), could run the table on the whole bunch. Teams 7 through 10 could do the same against the teams listed below them but would have to play an extraordinary game to beat one of the top 6. The quality slips dramatically after that.

Muir and SEM are the real wild cards; the Eagles because their non-league schedule combined with a pretty soft league could earn them a great poll spot, (and a playoff berth to match). The Mustangs on the other hand will walk a tightrope all season hoping one of their stars doesn't get dinged up. I hope Coach Howard takes all 30 of his kids intact into the playoffs for a great run, but at the same time I believe I know what the last thing he thinks about at night is.

Which brings me to the last point. Depth. The single biggest difference between the top five and the rest of the pack is two way players or an excess of them. Just like the big boys in the Pac 5 and Big 8, the SGV haves field more kids allowing them to spread the playing time around. The other teams are spread too thinly to suffer the loss of a key player to injury, grades or discipline.

Don,
The CO faithful are going to loose their collective minds! For them the only thing worse than being #2 is being #2 to a team with a loss on its record!

However, I'm not a CO faithful and I think you're right on the money here. I might take a few exceptions down low on your list - but what the heck - no point in fighting it out over 20 and 21 or 25 and 26!

I'm starting to think Fred and Steve should hire you as a consultant before they post next weeks rankings...

1.Bishop Amat – Could it be Hags to riches? This might be the real deal
2.Charter Oak – Dominating so far, but who have they dominated
3.South Hills – Kept up with LHHS better than I thought they could
4.Glendora – One of the toughest preseason schedules in the valley
5.San Dimas – Big, strong O-line, Barbone, Joseph and a team raised on BZ's offense
6.Muir – Way talented and way thin, a couple injuries could end the Stang's season
7.Diamond Ranch – Might be the 2008 schizophrenic team of the year
8.St Francis – Will go 5-0 and not win another game all year
9.Damien – Convincing against a pretty soft Claremont crew
10.Bonita – Good QB, very good MLB, too many two ways, too many mistakes
11.Rosemead – Blew up Covina and Monrovia, such as they are
12.South El Monte – These guys could easily be in the top ten by week 5
13.West Covina – Will still finish second in the SAL
14.Maranatha – Best team you never heard of
15.Northview – Baseball season will be here before you know it
16.San Gabriel – May have been an itty bit ambitious taking on Serra
17.Los Altos – Call this season transitional
18.Diamond Bar – Let Walnut score two TD's last week
19.Arcadia – Lost the best of their 28 man squad last week
20.Rowland – Not as bad as Walnut
21.Rio Hondo Prep – That's right bunkie, here's a school with 100 kids that could whip you
22.Pasadena – Kinda like the West Covina of the Pacific League
23.Alhambra – My God, they lost to Glendale
24.San Marino – Ready for the test guys?
25.Temple City – Best Rio Hondo League team ... so far
26.El Monte – Lost to Covina ... they coulda been lions
27.Azusa – The mightiest of the Montview
28.Claremont – Next stop, Mt Baldy League
29.Baldwin Park – Way happy to be in the Valle Vista
30.Poly – Unnamed Montview, RHL or MVL teams should be embarrassed right here
31.Monrovia – Chance for redemption against Rosemead
32.Western Christian – To be someone, ya gots to play someone
33.Covina – The JV's look really good, really. Could this be McDonough clone experiments?
34.Pomona – These guys need a pass into the Mt Baldy League; fast.
35.Wilson – Could someone tell the corn dog lady to concentrate on the airhead inventory
36.Blair – Remember the Blair Twins? This ain't them.
37.Walnut – One outstanding Badminton Team

Sorry, they don't meet the descriptions posted here for “Rankings” and “Ratings” so I don't know what to call them. What they amount to is a list ordered by who I think is most likely to beat the teams listed below it. Today.

For those playing at home: “My” SGV is a rough crescent running between the San Gabriel mountains and the San Jose/Puente foothills with the northern boundary starting in La Canada down the Arroyo and along the 710 to the 60. The eastern boundary is the LA County line. (Sorry, my geographical contraption doesn't match the circulation areas of the MNG papers). There were something like 54 or 58 Teams in the area, (I put them into Google Earth a couple years ago in a spasm of decaffeinated frenzy). These are the top 2/3rds.

Freddie

At what point did you decide the golf pro gig wasn't in the cards for you?

> Who are they going to play locally? Azusa? Bassett? South Hills, Glendora, West Covina all make sense. But they have done that to death over the last 20 or so years. They always schedule up. 2 against Monrovia a few years ago are the only real non league games against lower division schools for CO in 7 years. They had a couple of league crossover games with WC when WC was D7 CO was D6. You cannot fault CO for their scheduling over the years.

I don't understand what the uproar is all about. Charter Oak is clearly the #1 team in the valley. After all, they have beaten CalPreps 451st, 482nd, and 491st best team. Where else would they be ranked after "solidifying" their spot in the *preseason* poll and running off that string of victories.

Jeez!

Thats ok with CO AT #1. based on last years performance against WC. Well it will always be known that after their A-- whooping at the hands of Amat CO never came back to the table. So if you want to go back a year and put CO ahead of Amat based on what they did to WC then go back a little further and find the A-- kicking Charter Oak took the final time they played Amat, even after they came to Kiefer and wrote on our field. Well then Amat is number one based on the throwback years....

FRED!!!!! It is amazing how a simple week to week high school football ratings can bring out rhe stupidty in the simple minded "fan".Chargers deserve the #1 rating untill someone knocks them off. If there is anyone able to do it. I guess we will soon find out. HEY DON WHAT DO YOU THINK?

WHEN CHARTER OAK PUT THIS SCHEDULE TOGETHER AT THE END OF THE 07 SEASON KEEP IN MIND THAT ON PAPER THEY ONLY HAD 2 RETURNING DEFENSIVE STARTERS AND 6 RETURNING OFFENSIVE STARTERS

OBVIOUSLY KIDS IMPROVED AND TRANSFERS HAPPEN BUT WITH LIMITED RETURNERS I THINK IT WAS SMART TO WORK THE SCHEDULE THIS WAY

AND SHAME ON ALISO NIGUEL AND DIAMOND BAR FOR BEING SOOOOOOO BAD YOU WOULD THINK A PAC 5 AND SIERRA LEAUGE TEAM WOULD OF BEEN A LITTLE BIT BETTER

Jeez....can you put that in proper form?

None of you have even a remote idea of what the truth is behind Charter Oak's schedule this year and in years past including when Bishop Amat played Charter Oak years ago and if any of you think Charter Oak was better in the two years they played Bishop Amat versus years before then when they made their run at I don't know however many title games in a row versus Los Altos you are sadly mistaken. This year's team too I watched last Friday night and is good don't get me wrong just my opinion again and that is Charter Oak now and Charter Oak then when they played Bishop Amat still is clearly not the same team they were in the late 1990's and early 2000's! My point is everyone's argument is a moot point besides if Damien was beat handedly by Rancho a few weeks ago and Damien has recently beaten Charter Oak bad in the last few years my other point is Charter Oak should get embarassed Friday night and then everyone can shut up! Either that or rank Bishop Amat #1 so everyone can shut up! The bottom line is who's going to be there in the end and my guess and this isn't a stretch because this occurs every year is that South Hills and Charter Oak will be the last two teams standing. End of story!

Okay Mr. White, but your question is too ridiculous for a response.

Where is Azusa ???

Between Glendora & Duarte .

Everything from A-Z in the USA .
But as far as top 10 ...

COME ON NOW !?!?!

Finally a little love for the RHS Panthers .

Fight On

TM

Fred, how do you have Amat,SH,WC,DR,Glendora,and Bonita rated ahead of the unbeaten teams like Western Christian, Baldwin Park,Workman and Azusa? your logic about CO beating the teams in front of them should apply here? right? or do they need to run up a score ala CO, is it margin of victory? is just winning not enough for you, please be consistent and my last name is White!

Charter Oak is doing what it's supposed to do, blow out inferior teams. If they were squeaking by that's one thing, but they're hardly squeaking by. We'll know even more this week against Rancho, followed by Damien. Again, let's see if Amat can keep this rolling too. Damien, followed by Diamond Ranch and then St. Francis. If you're legit, they'll have a chance to prove it.

Just Wondering (King Wacko)

You are one of the wacko's that talks s---. We're #1 old man and have a better Oline than you! LOL

Don't like the heat, get off the blog or better yet, just go back into the stands and shut up.

Apply for a coaching job yet?

Again Fred, CO@#1 "But lets see them play a tough opponent".your words again.... I guess Los Osos and Orange lutheran are not tough enough? They would kick CO's a--. Good RB, QB, OL and DL. for CO, they sure do but against who? Not lobbying for Amat to be Number one but make sense would you. You are running a football top ten not a popularity contest.

what kind of name is Robledo? does it come from the Greek , meaning lack of professional ethics, lack of a backbone or what, you knock a guy for calling himself Whitey? look at all the other monikers here, obviously his last name is White, just like every guy named Campbell is called soup, and calling a guy who wears glasses specs! From now on, your nickname will be "Harry Hysterical" (courtesy, of the late,great Jim Healy)because you go to a game and get all wound up"in the heat of the moment" the tribs ratings are a joke!

First of all Bishop Amat Fans this is not the BCS so stop crying. There is no SGV Tribune Bowl or trophy so who really cares.
Secondly what would be really awesome but hard due to contracts and schedules would be to have a week that would be the San Gabriel Valley week in preason just imagine
Amat vs South Hills
CO vs San Dimas
West Covina vs Northview
and just pair up as many SGV teams you can.
Finally about Charter Oak and thier schedule I think they have burned alot of bridges in the past with running up the score so thats why they can't find local teams to play.

What's wrong with the name Whitey?

Herzog is a joke?

Fred,
I'm shocked at the nubmer of wacked out bloggers you seem to attract. It seems every thread you start includes at least 2 or 3 crazies who just want to fling $hit. Don't listen to them. Your work is important and given the number of schools you cover, you do a fine job! CO is a great team - we all know that. But they clearly need to teach a class on interpersonal relationships on the CO campus - maybe then these wackos would simmer down!

Am I the joke, or the guys who calls himself, "Whitey."

"Amat is the best in the SGV," wait that was in the heat of the moment , aren't you guys supposed to be "professional"not get emotionally involved, take a reasoned approach to what you say and write? now you change your minds? what a crock! and then you throw in the ridiculous idea of Charter Oaks win over West Covina in the playoffs last year, please tell me are the ratings about this years performance? or when? why don't you ask Farrar why he doesn't schedule Amat anymore? cuz they got whupped both times, shutout as I recall..... the differemce between the LATimes and trib......light years in professionalism....what correspondence course did you get your certificate from! What a joke!

Great Job Northview moving up is the only way to go. Keep up all the hard work. Your defense is unstoppable only allowing 13 points in 2 games is amazing.

To how Pathetic: First of all, Stevie R., did the rankings when I was away last week. After thinking about it over the weekend, I thought Charter Oak deserved the top spot, regardless of my statement after Amat's win (sometimes you make those statements in the moment). And it's not comparing apples and oranges, Charter Oak's wins over West Covina last year were just as impressive as Amat's win over West Covina on Friday. But you know what, the next couple weeks will sort it all out. As far as including Ganesha or Pomona, I don't mind for rankings purposes. I've seen a few Pomona and Ganesha bloggers on here, so why not, they both compete in the VVL.

Thanks FRED, now all is well in the small of town of AZUSA! Ranked (11th) not bad FRED!

Fred slow down and drink your coffee!

AZTEC PRIDE!

Freddy,

Check with Steve-O on including Ganesha in the rankings. He's having some ongoing banter about whether they should be in the the volleyball rankings based on the "circulation area". Gotta be consistent.

I'm just sayin'

HEY FRED J,

Any reason why you left out AZUSA???

We must be off the chart then!!!

AZTEC PRIDE!

Thats fine Fred, but using last years CO/WC games as a measurement for this weeks rankings is not a apples to apples fair comparision. You are talking out of both pie hole ends here. Your Quote "after last Friday Amat is the best in Valley" "take the blinders off Amat Fans"?? "oh I just remember CO spanked WC last year? CO @#1 Amat @#2??? you are making no sense at all. Better plug up one of those pie holes and come correct. I think the line you used last week with SHHS being #1 based on no losses would have worked this week for CO but to say well I just remembered what they did Against WC last year? Last year has come and gone, with that thinking Amat should not be on your list..Remember Amat went 3-7 last year... Get it right would you. Man you are a lousy sell to your readers...too much Gan-ja on vacation.? Wake up would you.

There you go Fred. Go Lobos!

Okay, now I'm set witha top 33, including pomona and Ganesha

Much Better

Are you seriously putting 0-3 teams over Workman which is 2-0. I hope this is a simple over sight. Especially after workman shut out mountain view the first week. Come on Fred your killing me!

You're totally right, let me fix it. I added Pomona, so it should be top 32.

Fred..
I Believe you left out AZUSA.

Fred..
I Believe you left out AZUSA.

Where is Azusa (3-0)

Fred,
I really don't object to any of your rankings here. San Dimas jumping over Bonita is interesting, but given the fact that SD beat them las year and they've (BHS) lost a game this year, I get it. Amat is #13 at the LA Times and CO in no where to be found on their list??? CO is clearly the cream of the SGV crop this year, but we'll never know exactly how good they are... unless Amat continues to win... then we'll know all about CO... presumably!
Rock on SGV football!