Tribune's Super 33 Rankings

Your blowing nuthin but hot air now Joey! Smoke and Mirrors against non Pac-5 teams all year long. You've been caught in your maxpreps/calpreps statistical trap. Keep reading them as the post season passes you by, AGAIN!

Cupcake Joe

The book is getting long!

Go back and read. Who have you played up against this year, besides OL. What division is Amat? What division is SF, WC, Daminen? And LO? which you lost too.. Still playing up in preseason like you like to brag about in BB.

Oh, by the way that D4 CIF Champs beat your butt.

Need more help, just go to CALPREPS.

I like how you try to use the soap to feel good.

Real Football Fan,

Yes the SGV does have GREAT FOOTBALL. These kids do play their asses off and there is some really good coaching out here. Yes I have seen Pac 5 teams play, but once again, it is unfair to compare the Southeast or Mid Valley with the Pac 5 and Inland Divisions which is exactly what CO Hoe tried doing when he compared the SGV rankings to the LA Times rankings.

BLOW HARD,

Since you're talking playoffs, why would we look at anything before the playoffs? Final rankings are what counts - no? That's why I gave you the links - to make it easier. Simple things for simple minds.

And here's your football answer. I can't believe you asked, really. Didn't miss it I just didn't want it to get too long and have it get lost in the answer. I know you have trouble retaining information. Apparently it's a reading comprehension thing. Keep working on it - there's still hope.

You can start here:
http://www.maxpreps.com/national/football/rankings.aspx?gendersport=boys,football&urpath=,list&state=CA§ionid=8e11e7d4-d3fa-4e6f-827f-652c29439d27

Amat's at #31 in the STATE...strength of schedule 29.4
(actually the 13th toughest schedule in the top 25)

#16 OLu and #27 Los Osos helped that. So did the St Francis game, West Covina didn't hurt. Even Damien, Chaminade and Diamond Ranch kept the number up. Because they don't just look at the record or the division - they look at who they've played too - so their SOS is high because they are all teams that challenge themselves - unlike many that we know and love.

Of course - Souther Section rankings are higher.

You need more info? What exactly are you asking? Are you comparing? Maybe with other SGV top teams. Here's a few:

CO? #84 with a 13 SOS
SH? #128 with a 11.8 SOS
SD? #154 with a 3.1 SOS

Embarrassed yet? Should be

CUPCAKE JOEY

MAYBE CAPS WILL HELP YOU READ.

GO BACK AND GET SOME INFO BEFORE THE PLAYOFFS STARTED. MAYBE YOU FORGOT TO FILE THEM. THE TEAMS REALLY WERE TUFF. LOL

I STAND BY MY NUMBERS..

OH AND BY THE WAY, YOU HAPPENED TO DO A DRIVE BY ON THE FOOTBALL QUESTION. WONDER WHY??? LOL

SAY IT AINT SO JOE!

Blow Hard,

I appreciate teh lack of caps. It hurts my eyes. And yes... Always by the rules. Apparently not you.

I stand by those numbers. I'll post them again at the end, but here's St Paul and Diamond Ranch. I'll post the links since you have a tough time getting accurate info from the internet. with the links to show you are FOS. Cut and paste them into your browser... then read 'em and weep. Like I said.

St Paul-110
http://www.maxpreps.com/national/football/rankings.aspx?gendersport=boys%2cbaseball&urpath=%2clist&state=ca&myranktype=state&mystate=ca&myteamid=05b90da1-305e-4ea0-8b4e-72d480872028

Diamond Ranch - 132
http://www.maxpreps.com/national/football/rankings.aspx?gendersport=boys%2cbaseball&urpath=%2clist&state=ca&myranktype=state&mystate=ca&myteamid=c481b37e-d488-4d1e-987a-082e0a5aedf7

Again - for your enjoyment.... compare a total season - opponent by opponent. Not just playoffs. Not just league (although the numbers kick your @$$ there too), but all the games. That's why they call it a baseball *season*.

You know, the more you look at the numbers the crazier it is to have people downplay and insult the other teams in D5 "pool" and then even try to compare them, not to mention the entire schedule. Looking at the D4 and the D5 champions schedules side by side is really quite surprising, as far as final MaxPreps rankings are concerned
#8 in Tennesee Christian Bros /Bishop Amat - 15

#13 in Florida Jupiter /Alta Loma -60

#3 in DC St Johns /Bonita- 62 (x2)

#5 in Oregon West Linn /Savanna - 94

Northview-9 /Mayfair - 131 (x2)

Chatsworth - 14 /Diamond Ranch -132 (x2)

Damien-87 (x2) /San Dimas-161(x3)

St Paul-110 (x4) /Covina -211 (x3)

Loyola-114 /University- 271

Glendora-109 /Norte Vista 299

Bishop Montgomery-208(x4) /Monrovia - 338

Charter Oak-219 /Beverly Hills 467

St Francis-252 (x2) / Duarte -494

La Salle -294 (x3) /Baldwin Park -508 (x3)

Colony - 416 / Pomona -682 (x3)

San Marino -328 /Ganesha -757 (x3)

La Puente -365

Calvary chapel -562

St Monica-645 (x3)

Any way you add it up (have someone do it for you), from the first pitch of the first game to the final out of the championship game - the D5 champion played the toughest schedule. that's why the strength of schedule was ranked higher than the D4 champion... or the D3 runner-up from the SGV. Look it up.

Now get over it.

Oh Joey

Who amat went thru to win the D5 Cupcake was a complete joke.

You message the book anyway your want, if it gives you comfort.

Better check your numbers in the stiff comp you went thru:

Calvary: 538
La Puente 470
SM 353
Bishop 237
and the biggest comp St Paul 146
WOW!

NV
Beverly 467
NV 145
Bonita 62
Sav 94
DR 70

Now, your buddy Padre Bill comes on here and talks about others. I knew this double standard crap would come up again when football started. Goes with the Amat BS.

Since you like the pre-season thrills, who have you played up or even in parity against in football this year? We all know OL, but come on let’s see this one. Now go back to Maxp and figure out a message plan.

Playing by the rules yet?

Until San Dimas or Charter Oak can get the gonads to schedule Bishop Amat then run your mouth but until then You may want to Czech your shorts for CO and SD yellow because that is reality.

math formula for you-
San Dimas is to Charter Oak as Charter Oak is to Amat.
San Dimas has as much a claim to being ranked above Charter Oak as Charter Oak has to be ranked above Amat-and for the same reasons.

FB Fan,
Exactly! right on! you said it!...You cannot compare the two, The Times and The Tribune, but show me one other team from SGV beside Amat that is in that ranking in the times poll. All those counties you mentioned have some outstanding football teams so if Amat loses to any of those teams wheather League or playoffs and the "OTHER" SGV teams beat cupcakes then Amat falls out of the Tribune top Ten and now is placed below a CO and a SH? If any of the "OTHER" SGV teams makes the Times all county poll Then there is a arguement for placing them above Amat for top SGV team this year. Lose or win Amat should remain #1 based on schedule played. I do not see any SGV team cracking that top 25 of the times.

FB FAN,
Great football? try good football, I see you do not get out much, go watch a pac5 game or a inland empire game now that is great football...SGV wow La Puente vs Duarte Walnut vs Nogales.. no one wants to see that? You have Amat that brings in Big Named Schools and the rest are so so yawners. Go see Corona Centenial or Redlands East Valley play..Get past the 60fwy for a change.

CO Hoe, your argument lacks validity. The LA Times rankings are pretty much LA County, Orange County, San Bernardino County, Riverside County, and Ventura County rankings all in one. The top teams of the SGV are just that, the top teams of the SGV. To compare Fred's ranking's with the Times rankings is absurd. With that being said, there is some great football being played out here in the SGV

BLOW HARD,

I can always tell it's you by the CAPS. It really tells me something about you... you should really see someone about that.

I'll save you the time getting the numbers and give them to you instead. Remember.. YOU brought it up and opened the door ( I hate it when they do that!) The thing is, you don't really want to know the answer, but since you force me.
(Sometimes I feel like my buddy Michael Corleone, when he says, "...every time I try to get out...")

You didn't want to talk about *pre-league* (not preseason - that would be before the *season* starts. It's of my thinking taht every game counts, but that's just me.

St Paul was ranked 51 spots ahead of the D4 VVL's 2nd place team, 

Bishop Montgomery was ranked 3 spots ahead the D4 VVL's 3rd place team, 

La Salle was ranked 210 spots the D4 VVL's 4th place team and 

St Monicas ranked 37 spots ahead of the D4 VVL's 5th place team
and then there is the D4 VVL's last place team who's another 75 spots below that.

That's who we had to go through in league.

Fred made the comment at the time that there was not much of a gap between D4 an D5, soooo.... Here's some info that shows FJR is right - there's not the big gap that you think:

If the stats are questionable, here's the link...question MaxPreps. It's pretty easy...15 minutes while multi-tasking is all it took.
http://www.maxpreps.com/FanPages/StateRankings.mxp/Boys_Varsity_Baseball_Spring_07-08/California

You know, the more you look at the numbers the crazier it is to have people downplay and insult the other teams in D5 "pool" and then even try to compare them, not to mention the entire schedule. Looking at the D4 and the D5 champions schedules side by side is really quite surprising, as far as final MaxPreps rankings are concerned
#8 in Tennesee Christian Bros /Bishop Amat - 15

#13 in Florida Jupiter /Alta Loma -60

#3 in DC St Johns /Bonita- 62 (x2)

#5 in Oregon West Linn /Savanna - 94

Northview-9 /Mayfair - 131 (x2)

Chatsworth - 14 /Diamond Ranch -132 (x2)

Damien-87 (x2) /San Dimas-161(x3)

St Paul-110 (x4) /Covina -211 (x3)

Loyola-114 /University- 271

Glendora-109 /Norte Vista 299

Bishop Montgomery-208(x4) /Monrovia - 338

Charter Oak-219 /Beverly Hills 467

St Francis-252 (x2) / Duarte -494

La Salle -294 (x3) /Baldwin Park -508 (x3)

Colony - 416 / Pomona -682 (x3)

San Marino -328 /Ganesha -757 (x3)

La Puente -365

Calvary chapel -562

St Monica-645 (x3)

You do the math. But it's easy to figure as you look at it.

Now if you wanna talk Playoffs... PLAYOFFS??... you wanna talk PLAYOFFS???

Here's some playoff info
St Paul beat Mayfair and they beat Northview the D4 champion. They also beat Westlake who was able to beat the D1 Champion Simi Valley.
Bishop Montgomery swept Alemany and they beat South Hills the D3 runner-up. They also beat D2 semifinalist Palos Verdes.
San Marino beat Temple City, who couldn't make it out of D5's second round, but TC beat South Hills.
La Salle didn't even make the playoffs in Amat's D5 league, and they beat Monrovia who was able to defeat Northview the D4 champion.
And, how tough could Savanna (D4 semi-finalist) be - they lost to a 6-20 Pacifica team and a 9-18 Western squad?
Or D3 semifinalist, Elsinore? They lost to La Serna..and D5 finalist St Paul beat them ALL THREE TIMES they played this season.

So the bottom line is you gotta play. It's tough to repeat (San Antonio Spurs) and plenty of great teams at all levels that were supposed to win don't (New England Patriots)

And the team that Amat faced in the D5 CIF Final is ranked higher than the opponent in the D4 final. Did you read that? I'll go again...
*Bishop Amat beat a team (in the Championship) that was ranked 22 spots ahead of the D4 champions opponent*

Interesting, isn't it? Sorry...you asked...and I TOLD you - you didn't want to know the answer.

So as Fred said the day after the championships - "there is not the huge gap most people seem to think it is." And "maybe", just maybe (after looking at the DRL vs the VVL)...the gap is in the other direction.

You think? Just askin'? Now waitin' for those answers.

Yes move Amat to the one spot and they still lose to a Corona Cent., no doubt???,maybe??? but they would play a decent competitive game unlike the others that would get their a--es handed to them. That is why Amat plays D1 they play top teams come league and play some pretty good teams in Non league...Los Osos Orange Lutheran. Also everyone thought Orange Lutheran would wipe Amat out and they were at one point,but the unthinkable happened that nite and Amat won..Miracle maybe? or a team that just would not quit and a coaching staff that adjusted and found a weakness and capitilized. Pac 5 football is the best..Amat is the lone SGV representive there, now support your big Horse SGV and stop bashing it. Amat 31 Loyola 24

gralx-Amat's already beaten one of those teams on that list so your 0-10 is out the window. nice try though. they'll get their crack at at least two more. we'll find out how that works out soon enough. with the others-we'll never know, which says something too.

CO / Corona Cent.
San Dimas / LB Poly
South Hills / St. Bonnies
Glendora / Crespi
Rowland / Notre Dame
Rosemead / Tesoro
WC / Orange Luth.
Bonita / Oaks Christian
Northview / Los Osos
Walnut / Bishop Amat

Move Amat to the top of the SGV list and the sGV is still 0-10. It is comparing apples and oranges for the most part. So, if you are #1 or #10 BA, you still lose on this list lol.

SH - San Antonio appears to stack up against them. The league has came up fairly tough this year so far.

Rosemead - No letdowns, PLEASE!!!

Ganesha - Would love to see them lay down a shocker before year's end.

Nogales - Should be moved up five spots to #26. Somebody please tell me how they put up 20 against Walnut. Give credit to this undermanned crew for pushing it every game.

Indeed. They were shoving it up SH's throat for most of that game.
Re: i think rosemead should move up to rank 6 and rowland at rank 7

Posted by: qwerty | October 28, 2008 5:02 PM

If they met (re: Posted by: For CO hoe | October 28, 2008 11:09 AM)
CO vs Corona Centennial; Rosemead vs Tesoro - could be pretty close for a while.
San Dimas vs LB Poly; Rowland vs Notre Dame; Northview vs Los Osos; Walnut vs Amat - Mismatch.
Bonita vs Oaks Chr - Not a severe mismatch.
SHHS vs St Bonaventure - SB 35 SH 21.
Glendora vs Crespi - Stays tight for a half.
OLutheran vs WC - OLu by about three TDs. 44-21

Joe

You're full of s--t. Who Amat went thru to win the D5 crown was a complete joke. I'll give you the ranks tomorrow, before and after.

And dont give us your crap about pre-season, it doesn't mean squat!

Playing by the rules yet?

All of this agruing between SGV bloggers reminds me of a story.

It seems that the same old couple who discovered womens liberation (remember them ?) were having breakfast one morning.

The old woman says to the old man "you know, i've been getting up every day for the last 20 years making the morning cups of coffee for the both of us. I say you should start doing it from now on."

The old man, not wanting to give up an inch to the old lady says to her, "well, you do the cooking and cleaning around the house, so it's only natural that you should continue to make the coffee every morning."

"Well," the old woman says, you realize of course that "I am right and you are wrong and it even says so in the bible !"

"What ? It dosen't say anything like that in the bible. Show me where you say that the man should make the mornign cup of coffee."

The old woman pull's out the family bible and puts it in front of the old man. Sure enough, she was right.

When she opened the book, the top of the page read, "Hebrews."

The moral of the story is that we don't have to hate on each other just to enjoy our collective love of sports. We can all get together and enjoy a little cup of coffee and talk sports without getting to fired up about it.

Just support each other, and wish each team the best.

Mr BS,

Here's the deal with the divisions - since you appear to be new. And it's completely consistent, so here's some facts.

You're put where CIF puts you and you're pretty much stuck. Bonita and South Hills got moved out of the VVL a while back and tried to fight it. See where they're at? At this point schools like Amat and Loyola really have no place to go when it came to being moved out of the old Del Rey/Angelus League in sports besides football.

When you get moved down. if you want to maintain your credibility, you need to play teams that challenge you in the games you are allowed to choose - your pre-league games. For example - NO ONE slams Oaks Christian or St Bonaventure for being in a watered down division in football - least of all the Lancers. Why? Because they step up and play the best in the games that they can choose. EARN your respect.

Amat BB did that by beating a few Nationally ranked teams, and whether you like to admit it or not - the BB teams in their league finished ranked higher - place for place - than the local D4 league. I won't burden you with the facts... unless you ask. But really - you better not. The team Amat beat in the finals finished ranked higher than the runner-up in the division above them. So who they had to go through was actually tougher than who the champion of the division above them had to go through. The D3 champ lost only 4 games... two of them to teams that the D5 runner-up beat... they apparently thought they were pretty tough to go through.

We could go on... but we won't. We'll save you the harsh look at reality that, no, it's not the number.... it is who you play... all season long. If you're in a league (or division) that you feel gets less respect - go out and play somebody. If not... you're embarrassing yourself by making any claims for any rankings... anywhere.

I know... that hurts. But you'll get over it. Really.

Padre Bill | October 28, 2008 1:07 PM

Does the SGV even want to get into a debate about the D5 BB trophy?

Waterdowned? Wow, who did you go thru to win it? Should we bring up the before and after CIF rankings?

I wouldn't be talking to much s---, because the facts will bury you!

I'm sure the Amat fans really support your crap right now!

anybody who knows anything about HS football in SoCal knows that the Tribs rankings are a total homer job, I've stated b4 that Amat at 3-7 is as good as or better than anybody else in the valley, straight up! They ( FR and SR) have to butter up the locals just to keep circulation up in the high 2 digits, really they are a joke, so much of one, that I don't even look at them anymore!

Fred how do u lower Bonitas rank after beating D-Ranch i mean come on

Fred how do u lower Bonitas rank after beating D-Ranch i mean come on

Word out of Loyola is that Anthony Barr is practicing. This will be a classic match up. Amat better bring their A game. This is not St. Francis or Chaminade. The Cubs are a huge team this year.

reality czech... I couldn't have said it any better myself

i think rosemead should move up to rank 6 and rowland at rank 7

SGV Dad-Los Alamitos, Tesoro or Long Beach Poly would NOT welcome the challenge because they wouldn't look at it as a challenge.

Go Saints,
First off I am in no way insecure about my beloved Lancers. I know who we are and we are simply the best in the valley as we should be since we are the lone D-1,Pac - 5 rep as many have blogged on here.Damn proud that we stepped up and are putting AMAT and the SGV back on the map by playing some of the best football we have played in quite a few years.We do still have a long road ahead of us with some tough games in league and even tougher if we get to CIF. Let me be the first to say that if we lose we go down in rank .No big deal.I would much rather have a CIF berth that a number 1 ranking in the Trib. CO Bro came on here with his theory which is fine but can you imagine if they did play some tough teams in pre - league and beat them, they would more than likely be the number 1 team that they seem to want badly. It seems they are just waiting for us to lose so they can claim that number 1 ranking . Which I think since SD has neither a loss nor a tie they deserve .They are the only unbeaten and untied team in the ESGV. But that is a whole different subject. You state we do not matter to CO . We do matter and that is why we are not on their schedule.As for your beloved Saints they are having a hell of a season and here's wishing them much success and hopefully a CIF championship. As far as this padre bill , I have never seen a post by him before today. Don't mistake his beliefs as what most of the Amat bloggers think. I didn't mean any harm in my post about CO but you must admit even the newspapers consider the pre-league choices cupcakes. As bad as you make us out to be we have never wished bad luck on any team , maybe with the exception of st paul but that's in the blood.

You all need to quite banging on each other! The Lancers should be proud of their accomplishments. The Chargers and the Saints should also be very proud of their hard work. Trying to compare the teams is not what really matters. What really matters is that every team and every player is playing to the full extent of their abilities.

I've said it before... What San Dimas is doing this year represents a far greater accomplishment than anything Amat or CO will do. Why? Simple... SD is a much smaller school than CO and Amat is a private school. Both CO and Amat do fairly well every year (at least historically speaking). On the other hand... San Dimas has only one two league championships (one was a co-championship) and has never won back to back championships... Let alone a southern section CIF ring. It might be a number of years before we see a team out of SD that is as good as this current team. On the other hand... next year CO will have a good team and Amat will be even better than they currently are.

I said all that to say this... All three teams are doing great. They are all very different but they are all very good. I'm happy to have watched all three teams this year - every game was great!

Charter Oak
vs Wilson
vs Los Altos
(very scary)

San Dimas
vs Baldwin Park
vs Northview
vs Ganesha
(scarier)

SOUNDS LIKE SOME TOP DOGS YOU GIRLS ARE PLAYING.

LMAO

Does not matter the last time they were there Amat is there right now and I dont see any of your SGV powerhouses aka SD and CO even inching towards a top tem bid. Heck SD Aint and Co Hoe play the bottom of that top 25 and you would still get your A--es kicked all over the place.
Rancho Verde 7-0
Serra 7-0
Valencia 6-1
Moorpark 6-1
L.A. City Narbonne 6-1

but you want to drop Amat out of your piddly Tribune top ten because they may lose to some tough teams while you beat some cupcakes.

Saint fan remember Oaks C. last year and the way they humiliated your team in front of your home crowd. Realignment helped you this year. Anything less then a championship this SD and you are a farce.

CO you cannot beat the OC TEAMS so they realingned your sorry a--..anything less then a championship and you are a farce.

Amat well they are still playing in the pac 5 and D1 no realignment. The best of the best plays the best.

Good luck winning those watered down Tournaments SD and CO pound your chest baffoons. Until you can measure up with the big boys keep and polish that small trophy. After Barbone SD will suck the rest of the way. CO on the other hand always sucks and chokes. Hey they are CO.

While this and a $1.50 will get you a cup coffee at Dunkin, when was the last time Amat was in the top ten of the Times rankings?

It has to be nearly a decade or around the time Rix was still playing.

-J

Thank you Go Saints! I knew my opinion was going to get slammed. But that's what they do. I stand by my comment and I STILL wish them good luck!

Amat fans you are myopic and petty ! I am not even a Charter Oak fan personally (Go Saints!) but you actually continue to stoop to their level and instigate an argument that seizes to exist. Your always so damn defensive! Why would you even entertain such an debate? This just shows everyone how inadequate and insecure you feel about your beloved Lancers. Do you really think Charter Oak cares about you much less the rankings? If you mattered, you would still be on their schedule. My sense is you've never been much of a priority as much as being successful in league and in the playoffs. Focus on your schedule and praying that you get into the playoffs. Control what you have control over. Remember the old adage, "What have you done for me lately?" Never once does CO Bro criticize anyone from Bishop Amat but instead states his opinion, agrees that your probably better than them, and wishes everyone good luck. You Amat fans are paranoid and pathetic! Good luck to everyone this week except for Bishop Amat! I can't forget to mention my beloved Saints either. Continue to make us proud and take care of business this week and everything else will take care of itself next week versus Northview! Mighty are OUR men that wear blue and gold!

THANK'S FRED! How did you like the Azusa, Duarte game on Friday? not bad on the ranking either! WILL TAKE IT!

AZTEC PRIDE!

SGV Dad,
Doesn't even have to be a Pac -5 team. How about a St Francis,Hart,Carson,st paul,Los Osos. Just schedule a good solid team or teams, then maybe they would not have to defend their high ranking if they would beat a solid upper tier team.

CO Bro,
We will not see a Charter Oak vs Amat game any time soon. But CO could always add a few Pac 5 teams to their pre-season schedule or better yet how about just adding 1. There are plenty of Pac 5 public schools that would welcome the challenge (Los Alamitos, Tesoro or how about Long Beach Poly).

TRIBUNE VS TIMES

CO / Corona Cent.
San Dimas / LB Poly
South Hills / St. Bonnies
Glendora / Crespi
Rowland / Notre Dame
Rosemead / Tesoro
WC / Orange Luth.
Bonita / Oaks Christian
Northview / Los Osos
Walnut / Bishop Amat

This is Why Amat should remain number one in the SGV this year. Tribune Ranked teams would go 0-10 against Times Ranked teams.

What ACADEMY are we talking about?

Padre Bill

YOU LOSE, then its going down...

CO BRO what nonsense. Even if Amat loses their remaining games they should stay on top as number 1 I dont care what D7 championship CO wins or San Dimas wins. You tell me what SGV team including CO, would defeat Crespi, ND and Loyola. You will see Amat play very competitive ball with these three teams and these will be close games this year, unlike the last two years. This is a different Amat coached team. Amat is ranked Number 10 in the L.A. Times this morning. Where is CO? Thats right ranked number 2 in Trib. With the exception of Amat take the Times Top ten and compare them to the Tribunes 2-11..see the differance. Whole different animal we are talking about.

No offense to the Amat family but they will be as Fred puts it "On top of San Gabriel Valley Football" for only the next 2 weeks max. Now I'm not implying that they may not be the best team in the SGV, but as far as Fred and Steve's Super 33 Rankings go, you lose you drop.
I sure wished Amat and CO would play mores games against each other.

Good luck to all this week!

Fred, like the comment about the vikings Not so mad about your prediction the other day. I say the SD vs NV game should be a good one.

Fred,
I think Azusa has to be considered a top ten team. They've won their games in as convencing a fashion as anyone. Do you think they have enough strength in their schedule to crack the top 10 seal?

Where's westco