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Have any of u heard of this kid coming from that same montview league? Alfredo Barron is the kids name. He's a 5'11" junior at Bassett High School. I've been attending his games at the HAX(Hawthorne, California) and this kid has been playing solid at the point guard position. Outshining most point guards in the fall league that contains powerhouse teams like Taft, Windward, Compton/Centennial, Compton/Dominguez, Dorsey, San Diego, Laverne Lutheran, LB Jordan, Fairfax, and West Valley just to name a few. Barron has great court vision with excellent court instincts and his mid-range and long-range jumpers are solid. His ball-handling skills could get better but as of now they're right where he needs them to be. He also has an uncanny ability of finding crafty ways to score. This young star does has some faults though: he gets frustrated when his team constantly misses or when they make bad plays, he sometimes tends to play uncontrolled at times but not often, and he does not show his full potential at times. Barrons one point guard The Valley should worry about this year. He has a tremendous upside in his career. WATCH OUT FOR HIM!

Can I get some more recruiting on this kid!

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Have any of u heard of this kid coming from that same montview league? Alfredo Barron is the kids name. He's a junior at Bassett High School. I've been attending his games at the HAX at this kid been playing solid at the point guard position. Outshining most guards in the league that contains Taft, Windward

LVL has had 1 transfer stedent last year and 1 yhis year. Everyone else was a incoming freshmen

administrative mess????

what?

still haven't answered the question.

:why is a student different from astudent who wants a better or safer environment to go to."

consider a transfer a kid that blew out his knee. he can't help you anymoore.

see that's teh problem. Unlike the kid with the blown out knee...the transfer WILL help someone else....maybe EVEN against the first school.

no reason not to let kids transfer before the calendar year. who does it harm other than coaches and school records...ie job security for coaches.

i just don't see the point to holding someone back from their willingness to follow their dream...no matter how selfish it may seem to others.

With regard to this transfer issue. The majority of our students are not transfers from other schools . They have chosen AMAT as the school they want to attend and are there from freshman year.Believe it or not most of these kids know they want to attend AMAT from as early as the 5th and 6th grade if not earlier. Transfers are usually outbound as was mention earlier on McBride and many others. Yes we do have transfers come in but not at the rate of surrounding schools in the SGV and we usually do not accept senior transfers .

what harm is there? come on franky. Imagine the kaos and the administration nightmare from kids always wanting to change schools. As I said earlier kids should be forced to go to the school in their city unless its a private school ie amat or damien to get a better education. This would stop all this behind the scenes recruiting that for damn sure goes on. This recruiting includes public as well as private. Those that deny it happens are full of crap.

Joe what's teh harm in kids and parents transferring to different schools year in and year out? Is their some legal precedent for not allowing such transfers for band members who compete regionally if not Nationally. What about math and science whiz kids that compete in academic decathelons?

This rule...which I've never agreed with makes no sense whatsoever to me at least with my limited need to know about such matters.

Any help with this Joey?

i mean what is the greater good here? Which master is being served?

The floor is yours.

do it right,

some may call it "working the system" while others simply " follow the rules. I might suggest that lower rent might be an undue influence, while reduced tuition is not only available to the talented athlete, but also the band member, cheerleader, ASB officer, or math prodigy that shows a need and is willing to work. Typically those "reduced fees" never total to more than half tuition... and under MSGr they are fewer and far between. Everyone has their stories, but they probably never saw a freshman Eric Bieniemy out of Center Middle School in Azusa sweeping the wing floors after school as part of his "reduced fee" arrangement.

It's pretty simple to follow. There is a very clear rule book that sets guidelines. If you stay within them - you are in pretty good shape. In Guerrero/Workmans case it spells out pre-enrollment contact pretty specifically by specifying outside team coach in the past 24 months - and they chose to ignore (or didn't know) that part of the rule. It is then up to the transfer to prove otherwise... maybe that's what the appeal will do. Good luck to him - as I said earlier, it was probably nothing sinister - just ignorance of the new rule.

The rules may be the same for public and private, but there is no question in my mind that some schools recruit. In Pomona middle schools it has always been common to have coaches out of our school district (mainly private schools) at flag football games to talk to the talent. No wonder one year there were 6 running backs at 6 different high schools all from the same middle school.

Joe Amat,

Schools like Amat and LA do know how to work the system. A school like Workman is clueless, that is why they are in the situation that they are in today. LA aka Gano and his special apartments that alumni would rent out to those low income parents that had talent kids. Amat and their reduced fee's for those talented players.

I got a few example; that qb at LA about 6 years ago from South Hills (?). That year LA lost in the playoffs on Friday. The following Monday the kid transferred back to South Hills to play baseball with his friends. These parents had money and multi homes. Then you have the short quarterback that I believe transferred in from Amat, Castaneda. His dad moved into a LA alumni owned apartment to meet the CIF requirements. This was one of Gano’s Denny's deal, you wonder why Gano was putting on so much weight coaching at LA.

SGV Basketball knowitall,

Cooper didn't play or graduate from Glendora (nice try) He played in the City Section quite a while ago. In person, Cooper actually seems like a nice guy - but I think he talks the talk but doesn't walk the walk - if you get my drift. If not - ask someone that knows - they'll help you out. You may be thinking about his assistant Brandon Lee, who graduated from Glendora - after being... well, after transferring out of Bishop Amat. SO that's what I know (and why)... you?

Now Workman guy,
ALL schools, PUBLIC and PRIVATE are under the same CIF rules. There is NO stipulation specifically for private schools. I know some public school folks are in denial and think there's some seret rule book that allows private schools to run rampant with home visits, tuition, apartments, cars, and cheerleaders to be named later.

Rumors, myths, old-wives tales, urban legends and lies!

Private schools don't have "pickings and choosings" nearly as much as they hope that families "pick and choose" them. You see there is no real direct feeder system. The kids from Grandview automatically feed into Workman, Royal Oak to Charter Oak, Sierra Vista to South Hills, etc. Private schools have a spattering of private elementary schools in surrounding communities that , hopefully have families that are committed to private education. That's as close to a "direct feeder" private schools have (except for the old WC Dukes!:?)

All those kids from *outside La Puente* that you're worried about... guess what they had to do in the 7th or 8th grade? They had to "PICK A SCHOOL. It's a decision... but in 4 years they have to make another one... and it may be the result of the decision they make entering HS.

And yes, most kids that I've come across that go to Amat - know what school they want to go to.

I personally know 4 coaches in the SGv that are part of this co called "old boys club", and I know for a fact that they have all called and asked LV to join summer league or join a summer tourney or reg season Tourney, LV has either declined or chosen to go elsewhere...

Damien WAS entered into the Ayala tourney and FLED when Lutheran entered. Same for Bonita.

Spartan head coach Matt Dumb finally did something smart. Lutheran's freshman class would beat Coach Dumb's team by 20.

That is what makes the San gabriel Valley nothing more than an old boys club. Any other area would not only schedule LVL but crush them and run up the score to prove their point and show their dislike of the percieved illegal or shady recruiting practices. In the SGV it's screw up, pick up my ball and cry foul! Every team that ignores LVL is saying essentially the same thing...."What IF we lose?"

That's typical of the things I've personally seen here. Parents pay and kids play. It's not what you know it's who you know. It's not what you say it's who asked your opinion.

With regards to the Workman kid. reminds me of the Kyle Withem situation. If the same events happened at Bonita Klye Withem would never have been suspended or removed from the team. San Dimas parents are the step children of the Bonita Unified School District.

In this part of town...MONEY TALKS. The reason LVL hasn't been hit AT ALL is two wors...MURRAY MONEY!

Try lawyering up against that!

sgv basketball,

damien hasn't played in the ayala tournament in any of the last 4 seasons.

Wake up SGV basketball

La Verne Lutheran had a ton of transfers for one season. It's pretty obvious something was going on there. Also that kid from Amat the center that transferred there mid season allegedly transfered under curious circumstances. Let just say inspite of their success it casts a spot light on that program.

Who said the schools are scared of playing them? Maybe the schools not playing them is more of a way of disagreeing with whats happening on that campus. If other coaches are tapping into other teams roster to get players then I wouldnt play them either. I am not accusing that coach of doing that however you have to question why so many transfers in one year. It's not like LVU was a desirable place to play hoops before last season. I dont blame local coaches at all.

Joe Amat????? Dude, you spit out "Guys, I agree with the La Verne Lutheran theory. You gotta get those guys if your gonna ding anybody. And I wouldn't call not scheduling them "scared" or "avoiding" them - coaches schedule games against good guys that they respect. Cooper at LVLu has got a long way to go in the "earning respect" category. And he's not gonna get that by just winning games."

Did you really say that? An Amat guy talking poorly about recruiting?

Both school are PRIVATE schools. Anyone from anywhere can enroll in either, for whatever reason.

Or maybe Amat should kick all of the non-La Puente kids off of the team now.

As far as your dig at Coach Cooper, I don't knoe the man. He did graduate from and coach at Glendora. What do you know?

Maybe your bias is because I have now heard Amat and Rowland have joined the "Scared of LVL Club".

One more thing. Sorry ghsfan. My source will remain anonymous. I'm sure you understand.

What about when Wells and Mcbride left a private school (AMAT) and left for S.hill and Los Altos and they were allowed to transfer. you have to be really naive if you dont believe that these schools didnt have any contact with these players prior to transferring. You guys keep saying that he should go to a "powerhouse", but if he wants to go to Workman well then let him. With Guerrero and Miles and the rest of the players at Workman they can probably beat teams that are considered the elite in the valley. Miles is a junior and Gurrero a sophomore...CIF championship in the near future???

one.

One question, what school SHOULD this kid be going to, where does he live?? I can totally understand the family no longer able to afford a private school and the need to get him in a public school. Due to his relationship with the head coach, I can respect his desire to attend Workman rather than hopping on a front-runner program, or a "basketball" school like Glendora... No disrespect to Workman - but he isn't going there for the media attention OR their W-L record.
Joe Amat - I have often read your comment about all schools being equal now that a kid can go to any HS he chooses before his freshman year....tHAT IS SUCH BS.. Unlike all the advantages that Amat has in it's pickings and choosings, MOST FAMILIES would still have a hard time letting their kid go to any school, and do most kids know in the 7th or 8th grade - what school they really want to go to??? I know there are some that know from day one -- go to South Hills instead of WC....but there is so much a family has to consider, it's not quite as easy as SON - YOU ARE IN 8TH GRADE - PICK A SCHOOL. But seeing you are supporting a school that has little to NO rules or stipulations when it comes to recruiting - I wouldn't expect you to understand. Workman got screwed in this deal.

One question, what school SHOULD this kid be going to, where does he live?? I can totally understand the family no longer able to afford a private school and the need to get him in a public school. Due to his relationship with the head coach, I can respect his desire to attend Workman rather than hopping on a front-runner program, or a "basketball" school like Glendora... No disrespect to Workman - but he isn't going there for the media attention OR their W-L record.
Joe Amat - I have often read your comment about all schools being equal now that a kid can go to any HS he chooses before his freshman year....tHAT IS SUCH BS.. Unlike all the advantages that Amat has in it's pickings and choosings, MOST FAMILIES would still have a hard time letting their kid go to any school, and do most kids know in the 7th or 8th grade - what school they really want to go to??? I know there are some that know from day one -- go to South Hills instead of WC....but there is so much a family has to consider, it's not quite as easy as SON - YOU ARE IN 8TH GRADE - PICK A SCHOOL. But seeing you are supporting a school that has little to NO rules or stipulations when it comes to recruiting - I wouldn't expect you to understand. Workman got screwed in this deal.

Fred

'I don't know all the details, but you would think a school like Workman would get a break. You see transfers getting accepted left and right at schools that "cheat" regularly, yet Workman gets the "deny stamp." What a shame, he could have been the most exciting player in the Valley"

That's great Fred - as long as the valley can get a player you can drool over it is OK if it violates the rules. What exactly does "a school like workman" mean - they are no good so they can violate rules to get better? Is that whjat you are trying to say?

The most telling part of your quote is the first 6 words........YOU NEVER DO!

Ok, I understand the rule.

But isn't the mere fact he's going from St. John Bosco to Workman prove it's not "athletics based"? I mean.... it's FREAKING WORKMAN!

thiskidhasgame,

Workman had a great run in basketball back in the early 2000's when they had coach Danaha. They won back to back championships and made it past the first round of cif back in 02 and 03. They had players like Bruno Acevedo, Myron Butler, Dereck Fowler, Javier Morales, Danny Uribe, and currently Bobby Miles. I don't think they're at the bottom of the list when it comes to scouts. Im sure it probably is a montview league team, but certainly not workman. They were ranked in the top ten in the valley not so long ago, and im sure they'll get back to that.

Not all hope is LOST for Guerrero ...He has a hearing scheduled for later this month to appeal the CIF decision. He may play yet still. Lets hope CIF here's him and his family out and they let the kid play...

I have never heard of this kid until reading this blog. You always hear of top players transferring to schools like Mater Dei, Long Beach Poly, Amat, Dominguez...but Workman? No offense to the school, but when it comes to college recruits or future talent...I think Workman is at the bottom of the SGV list. I usually attend higher profile high school games as I am a fan or prep sports. But its funny and ironic to think that I may be attending a Workman game to see this kid play. Workman?!!! Who knew...

AND FARTHER DOWN THE TRENCH THE MONTVIEW GOETH...

Guys, I agree with the La Verne Lutheran theory. You gotta get those guys if your gonna ding anybody. And I wouldn't call not scheduling them "scared" or "avoiding" them - coaches schedule games against good guys that they respect. Cooper at LVLu has got a long way to go in the "earning respect" category. And he's not gonna get that by just winning games.

Guerrero is S.O.L. when it comes to Workman... hardship or not. The Workman coach was Cezar's previous travel ball coach. A year ago CIF put in a new transfer requirement to go along with the one-time-transfer before your sophomore year that "flips the script" on the transfer issue.

It used to be that eligibility was allowed UNLESS certain red-flags show up. Now, on all transfers, eligibiIity is restricted UNTIL the TRANSFER *proves* certain conditions are not present. One of those conditions is "pre-enrollment" contact.

A student who transfers from School “A” to School “B,” shall not be eligible for interscholastic athletics at School “B” until an application is completed that includes the following:

The principal and athletic director of both schools shall attest that to the best of their knowledge they have no credible evidence* of any person: who is connected with the athletic department of School “B;” who is part of the booster club of School “B”; or who is acting on their behalf, having communication, directly or indirectly, with the transfer student, student’s parent(s), legal guardian(s) or caregiver, or anyone acting on behalf of the student, prior to the completion of the enrollment process.

When there is sufficient evidence of undue influence/recruiting, the student shall be ineligible to represent the new school in interscholastic athletic competition for a period of one calendar year from the date of the student’s enrollment in the new school ***unless sufficient proof is presented to the satisfaction of the Section Commissioner that rebuts or disproves the evidence of undue influence/recruiting for athletic reasons*** Apparently the evidence wasn't sufficient that this choice was non-athletic.

It was common knowledge that the head coach at Workman was his travel coach sometime in the last 24 months. Even though it may not have been anything sinister...Contact. Done deal. Interestingly this is the method for *transfers*. The burden of proof is still on the schools to prove undue influence when it comes to enrolling 9th graders - who can go anywhere (public or private) and have immediate eligibility - unless proved otherwise

Fred,

I know Coach McCullough at Arroyo HS and he told me that he called LV Lutheran twice to invite them to there tournament. They
never responded.

Hypocrisy run amok at the CIF. I agree with the last poster. How can you punish this kid and not look into all the transfers at LVU? The CIF should get much tougher on ANY transfers. If more kids went to the school in the city they lived in those problems wouldn't come up. Plus its amazing anyone would actually want to go to Workman!!

This reminds me about the old jokes about the NCAA.

"Did you hear Kentucky got caught paying another recruit?

The NCAA was so mad they gave Cleveland State probation."

Honestly, I don't like the transfers going on all over, but you're going to get Workman and not LV Lutheran?

sgv which player said this?
that pasadena tournment looks good phs etiwanda

What if he could not afford the expense of attending St. John Bosco? I would think he would be granted a hardship case and enroll at a HS in the area he lives in. To deny this kid a chance to play Basketball this year and have to sit a year because maybe his parents lacked the funds of a Private HS is not cool on the CIF'S part. If he can in fact prove he is financially strapped I am sure CIF wouyld wave this ruling and allow him to play.

Why would he go to Workman? There are powerhouse teams elsewhere in the area. Glendora anyone?

Speaking of Glendora. Coach LeDuc will probably be joining other area schools in ducking LaVerne Lutheran. I got this from one of his current players. Already, Bonita and Damien have been scared out of the Ayala tournament by the Trojans.

Maybe Guerrero should go to LVL.

Freddie,

I tried to give you a heads up nearly a month ago.

Breaking News: Cezar Guerrero, the new basketball transfer "phenom" to Workman was denied eligibility for 08-09 due to Undue Influence, according to a source from outside the valley. Looked it up and that's CIF's official status as of 9/18/08

.... since we're Just Tribbin'

Posted by: Joe Amat | September 21, 2008 9:31 PM

http://www.insidesocal.com/tribpreps/2008/09/just_tribbin_10.html#comment-1817082

Lesson to kids/families. make sure to dot the i's and cross the t's BEFORE school starts - then you have options