I'm sorry Ain't Tartan...did I EVER mention Horn by name?

Obviously I wasn't talking about him.

follow the dots, tae your meds and breathe slowly.

Then apologize.

Saint Tartan...can you read? I highly doubt it. Look at the back of the shampoo bottle. Wet hair. Lather. Rinse. repeat.

I'll wait again.

Saint Tartan. What year did McD graduate?

I'll wait for your apology.

I saw Earl Campell run over Isaiah Robertson.

Should Isaiah friends and family come after me too?

It's football. You win some you lose some. That Defensive MVP would be the first to tell you it happened. Guess what...no one asked for the MVP award back.

Grow some nuts stupid. Am I suppose to have you pre -read my comments for your freakin approval?

Jackass get off my nuts already or talk to me the next time you see me. Or call me I'm in the book.

Jesus. People talk about this and that on the blog .Be a man, or an adult at least , and let me enjoy the blog without your stupid drive by BS.

You DMFer. We clear?

Posted by: Re-Read and Get Your Facts Straight...I was there. Where you? | October 15, 2008 11:44 PM

He graduated in 2007, yes i know he got back to back POY. He played in the 2006 season not 2007. And Glendora played the Covina away at the district field. And Chad young didnt start on Defense, he was a Sophmore. You guys played week 1 of the 2006 season. The linebackers were Todd Bruno Tim Ortiz and Mikey Niles. Chad barely started playing week 6 and started week 7 when Glendora switched to a two MLB's by pulling out the Strong Safety. So will you get off McD's gangbangers balls and look at the truth im telling you. They never butted heads, so youre wrong because your too busy all over his nuts and not seeing straight. So Im sure Chad Young the Defensive MVP from last year will admitt they never butted heads because Chad never played the game, they might of touched hands after Glendora beat you guys, but other then that NO CONTACT AT ALL. Should I start bringing out Chad's Stats from Maxpreps, his game by game? Im not related to that beast at all. He's a great player, but never was runned over by your gangbanger.

as i think about it, i don't think amat has a player of the year on its team. i think its a good team with good coaching. there are a few standout players like gaisie, mcclanahan, seals, prieto, ibraham, but i think they're successful because all the parts are working together. huge #54 fan from dr now. that kid is nails. but defensive players generally have a hard time winning such honors unless they moonlight on offense. and even then, i'd be hard pressed to pick any defensive player over seals, though admittedly i haven't seen everyone play. good luck to all they young men mentioned. i'm sure whomever the award goes to, he will be well deserving.

Mr. Inside and Mr. Outside..it works 2 Heismen remember,

Really well stated! A moment of clarity on a blog that tends to get really foggy!

AMEN!

Just Wondering

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH... Now go watch some X's and O's.

Wrong on all counts..

You sound like John McCain. A guy who doesn't know when to STFU

Mr. Inside and Mr. Outside..it works 2 Heismen remember,

AMEN! Really well stated!

Just Wondering

Sounds like to me, there some jealous people at SD when it comes to Nico. Maybe instead of pioneering for Joseph, why not start pioneering for the team. I don’t think Daniel or Nico give a s---just want to win. Dude, you’re embarrassing to the SD team. Stay away from “D” street too! The POY won't be becuase someone has the most carries, yards, Td, or passes. If that were the case Gilmore wins last year.

Eric Dickerson and Craig James...aka Pony Express

Doc Blanchard and Glenn Davis aka Mr. Inside and Mr. Outside

Larry Czonka and Mercury Morris aka Thunder and Lightning

Barbone and Joseph aka....Rock and Rolla ?

Is that enough with the less than positive comments about Barbone and Joseph?

One thing that I will say about the opinion issue...THAT'S THE MAN'S OPINION. Doesn't have to right and certainly doesn't have to be wrong. Hey he's beating the point into the ground but in the end it is HIS opinion.

What is it that people can not have an opinion without being slammed and having their families names dragged thru the mud.

I've seen them both in practice. Both are very good. Is Joseph better than DR's Spirlin or BA's Gaise? That's a fair comparison. Quick speedy tough backs.

Is Barbone better than CO's Muema (sic)? Or better than the back from WC?

I don't know but why not end this stupid little fight before it gets ugly and divides the San Dimas team and very decent families. I meet Mr. Barbone recently and Nico will be fine given his grades,lack of injury over 3 years and work ethic and so will Joseph who's dad I meet last year.

Is a Mercedes better than a BMW? I'd go with the BMW.

Is a Porsche better than a Corvette? I'd go with the Porsche.

See it's just a matter of OPINION! Both owners I'm sure are happy with their choices. Yes it matters to know the inners of the T but is that the point? I've seen too many arguments reduced to name calling, hey I've done it as well, but let's try and stop with the San Dimas thing. They are undefeated, enjoying a dream season and should be united towards one goal. Having the time of their lives working together as friends and team mates with a Championship in sight.

Funny thing happened at Glendora Chevrolet dealership recently. The salesmen tells me ..."What you should do is TRADE in that Porsche for the new $100,000 Corvette!"

I responded..."Really...which would you rather pull up in?".... He continues without answering the question, "But this can do EVERYTHING that car can do and do it cheaper (yes and no), faster (certainly not), and it LOOKS better (someone call a medic)" I answered..." Maybe you're right. Let me think about it. (yeah right)" See sometimes the best thing to do is enjoy what you have and stop listening to knuckheads who have self interest as their guide.

Besides it kind of looks cool with green paint on it. (just kiddding) Clay waxed yesterday and man does it look Che'vy!...I mean gooooood!

Best of luck to Joseph and Barbone. make them remember BOTH of you as a UNIT! And stay friends.

So now you have seen some of some of the mechanics I favor when selecting POY types, I thought it fair to look at some different methodology. Here are some of the things OTHERS like to consider when choosing:

1.Played Baseball at Hollenbeck Park
2.He looks just mahvelous dahling
3.His Uncle Rigoberto is my Barber
4.Looked back over old Trib stories and counted the number of times I saw his name
5.Jimmy told me to
6.He had the most touchdowns
7.He had the most touchdowns in the HLPJAA when he was 11
8.His mom gave me extra whipped cream on my funnel cake
9.I went to one of his games and the announcer said his name more than anyone else
10.Was named in a flurry of emails all season, (aka: high visibility)

Posted by: Don | October 16, 2008 7:51 AM

Don that was hilarious!

Out!

Mike the Clone

Don,
How dare you! Who the He// do you think you are? You have no right correcting Steve - after all he works for the San Gabriel Valley Tribune and if he says the Fullback is the key - than damn it - the fullback is the key!

Too good dude! Barbone is a punishing runner. However, at 5-10 and 175 or 180 pounds, he'll get killed at the next level if he tries running through the middle. Problem is, he doesn't have the speed to make people miss while Joseph does. They are both great runners - but like I've said, Joseph, given the same number of touches, gets more yards - he is a better back.

:-) Rock on dude!

Steve,

You never fail to amaze. Here you are in a couple of paragraphs with more cliches than a Joe Biden stump speech. You have your baseball and your basketball comparisons, the ever popular fruit analogy and your favorite: the auto racing metaphor.

I'm not certain, but I think what you are trying to say is that Nico Barbone and Daniel Joseph are different types of runners. Did I get it?

The problem is, you didn't. Pretty much everyone here is on board with them being good together although I will admit to the cognitive leap that they could still be good separately. You were the only guy here comparing Joseph and Barbone. Rather than read something into what's posted, just read it.

You also state the key to the Wing T is the Fullback. This is also incorrect; the Wing T is designed to gain advantageous blocking angles for the O Line and use directional changes by the backs to open up play on both sides of the center. While there are lots and lots of different combos most of the running plays are between the outside shoulders of the tackles. This is true whether the ball ends up with the Wing, HB, FB or stays with the QB.

Go Steve,
Sorry... I wouldn't care if they were running a Power I, a West Coast Offense, or any other offense. Given the same number of touches, Joseph is a better tailback than Barbone. That's my opinion.

Just Wondering

Football God is right and you are WRONG.. The style of offense is exactly the point.

DEAL WITH IT!

It's crazy that I can't be both a Daniel Joseph fan and a Nico Barbone fan. I've said a trillion times... they are both great. San Dimas is a better team because of both of them. However, I'm of the OPINION, OPINION, OPINION - THE OPINION - that Daniel Joseph is a better running back. He doesn't get the touches that Barbone gets - that's the coaching staff's choice. That is also fine with me. However, if both players got the same touches, Joseph runs a circle around Barbone. It really is that simple. I'm happy both players are getting some press - they're great players and they're playing on a great team. I LIKE THEM BOTH AS PLAYERS! GOT IT - I LIKE THEM BOTH! THEY ARE DIFFERENT AND THEY ARE BOTH VERY GOOD. This doesn't require a football lesson from the SGV football god, Steve Ramirez, this is not about the style of offense SD plays - I just think Joseph is far more explosive and thus a better tailback. I would just like people to read my OPINION and say - "hey, Just Wondering, I disagree and here is why......" Instead, they think I'm some sort of poor sport! That's weak!

I am sure that SD is grateful that Just Wondering isn't the coach. This guy is just stupid and doesn't understand football.

The POY won't be because someone has the most Carries, TD’s, Yards, Passes, Tackles, etc. If that were the case, Gilmore would have walked away with it last year.

You’re a bad fan in that camp, and thank god your not here. Make sure to stay east of Covina Blvd.

Maybe you don't understand the offense very well.. One thing for sure, Barbone has performed for the past three years as a player. Joseph is going well this year, right when its needed for the team approach. Dont agree this team would be the same without Barbone. That's just totally ridiculous and stupid. Just maybe some still dont agree with you. Read again and learn the wing-t

Just Wondering,

Comparing Joseph to Barbone is like comparing apples to oranges, or a championship dragster to a championship stock car. They are both designed to do different things and they both do them very well.
Like I said on the two-minute drill, and others have said here tonight, they compliment each other. Having seen the Wing-T before, the key is the fullback, who must get the hard yards of the middle to draw the defense to the center point of attack and then you go wide with the sweeps. It's really a thing of beauty when it works right. Basically what San Dimas has rigt now is a pitcher with a blazing fastball who can also drop a curve off the table, or a basektball team who has a dominating center with 3-point gunner on the outside. It's pick your poison. But like I said, you can't really pick who is better, because they both have different traits and both do them very well.

Posted by: Steve Ramirez | October 11, 2008 1:19 AM

“Posted by: Just Wondering | October 16, 2008 8:24 AM:
Great individual players are great individual players - but great individual players on teams that are really successful should always be regarded in a higher fashion due to their team's success.:

Good way to say this.

Hey!!!1 -
You're absolutely right about Daniel Joseph. He has nearly tremendous numbers with about half the touches as Barbone. But if you come onto this blog and put Barbone down even a little, you will get roasted by the Barbone-ites. I completely agree with you. DJ is a better running back than Barbone, but Barbone gets the touches and so he has to be considered #1 for POY right not.

Don made a great point about San Dimas. The fact is this - even without Barbone the SD team would be a load. They have three good tailbacks and a pretty good rushing quarterback. They have a great offensive line and even a middle of the road tailback could get his stats behind them. Also, their offensive line has not faced a really powerful defensive unit thus far, so the Saints are going to get their yards. If anyone beats them this year, they'll need to score 55 points to have a chance.

Barbone is currently the POY, but he needs to make sure he doesn't loose favor with the coaches at San Dimas. If Joseph started getting as many touches as Barbone, Joseph runs away with the POY.

Finally, I really agree with Don on the idea that the POY should be an MVP award. Great individual players are great individual players - but great individual players on teams that are really successful should always be regarded in a higher fashion due to their team's success.

nvm nico is leadin in yars only by 80 or so but with 3 times as many carrys come on coach Z give the kid the ball more he deserves it he is a hard workin kid and could get POY

Barbone is good but you guys are forgetting the better running badck for sd this Year Daniel JOseph check thats stats out and if barbones dad coach z didnt give him the rock so much over DJ dj would of had 2000 yards plus already

So now you have seen some of some of the mechanics I favor when selecting POY types, I thought it fair to look at some different methodology. Here are some of the things OTHERS like to consider when choosing:

1.Played Baseball at Hollenbeck Park
2.He looks just mahvelous dahling
3.His Uncle Rigoberto is my Barber
4.Looked back over old Trib stories and counted the number of times I saw his name
5.Jimmy told me to
6.He had the most touchdowns
7.He had the most touchdowns in the HLPJAA when he was 11
8.His mom gave me extra whipped cream on my funnel cake
9.I went to one of his games and the announcer said his name more than anyone else
10.Was named in a flurry of emails all season, (aka: high visibility)

Saint Tartan. What year did McD graduate?

I'll wait for your apology.

I saw Earl Campell run over Isaiah Robertson.

Should Isaiah friends and family come after me too?

It's football. You win some you lose some. That Defensive MVP would be the first to tell you it happened. Guess what...no one asked for the MVP award back.

Grow some nuts stupid. Am I suppose to have you pre -read my comments for your freakin approval?

Jackass get off my nuts already or talk to me the next time you see me. Or call me I'm in the book.

Jesus. People talk about this and that on the blog .Be a man, or an adult at least , and let me enjoy the blog without your stupid drive by BS.

You DMFer. We clear?

No question that Albert Cid is a monster. I really like that kid especially if we are serious about considering defensive players for the POY

In fact, I saw him knock an Amat defensive lineman on his a$$ during that game against Amat and I came away very impressed by his performance, but to be honest with you, how can you over look Jerry Mclanahan as the POY ?

Condsider these fact for just a moment.

Sense Jerry has taken over, the Amat offense, has performed unlike Amat teams of the recient past. They are winning and winning big.

I dont have all the stas here, but Amat was averging over 40 points a game on offense and have now won 4 in a row.

One of those wins were against Orange Luthran of course, and the other against some local talent.

Wen considering POY, we need to look closly at Mclanahan.

How bout we give Defense respect. Walnut D-Lineman, Chima Ike leads the San Antonio League in sacks and Tackles. STAT CHECK he has: 59 tackles, 9.5 sacks, 10 TFL's, 3 FF, and a TD. And were only half way through the season. Those are numbers for thought.

no contest, drew k is hands down poy, with him we have the only wins all year, when he had his one bad game, we lost. if poy is picked based on a players value to his team, no one makes a bigger impact than dk does in the outcome of a game for his team, not to mention coach p has gone to a spread o in his senior year, so he has to learn the o and perform at the highest level. vote for dk, not bin laden or the old fart, playallday aproves this commercial. dont forget to vote!!

Here are a few names that should be considered for POY. Names heard frequently during the DR/Amat game. DR Players Kyle Lengyel, Bryan Bonilla, Elisha Henley, Xavier Molina-Williams

Half Way,

Read my post again. I stated (twice) that I was reflecting the input of the blog, not my opinion. (And besides, who says that rushing yardage has more value than passing? I mean other than Lou and Dom.)

I tend to favor a “Most Valuable Player” model held up to what a team has achieved in a season. Asking first, where would a team be without a given player; this is where guys like Barbone would lose a little ground due to the overall strength of the Saint Team and especially the rushing of Brown, Joseph, and Kalmer. Without Barbone San Dimas would still be a load.

Second, I would consider how a team finished because to me, the W's and L's mean a lot more than personal stats. There is a team in the area right now which at 0-6, has some amazing personal stats. These personal successes obviously didn't win many games lessening their total impact.

Third, guys with similar statistics would be compared based upon the team record that year as well as strength of schedule. For instance, Rhodes (Walnut) and Gaisie (Amat), have both scored 12 TD's this year with the Walnut kid having a 36 yard advantage, pretty close. The Amat kid returns kicks and punts, the Walnut guy plays some D, again, close to a wash. For me, I would give the nod to the kid who has done his work against O Lu, Los Osos, WesCo, and Damien rather than the one who played Arroyo, Garey, Covina, Diamond Bar, and Sonora. Advantage Gaisie.

As for actually naming a POY before most teams have even begun league play isn't something I'm very comfortable with. Maybe next week.

FINE PRINT: These examples are only that and reflect only the type of mechanic the poster is in favor of, NOT MY CHOICE FOR AREA POY. Individual mileage may vary, consult your physician or Jimmy the E before trying this at home.

Somebody tell me how many games has Allen lost since he started at QB? Every year I watch this team and yeah statistically Allen won't have the same numbers because they are balanced but in my opinion no one means more to their team and is having a more productive overall all complete year than him. Again just my opinion and truthfully I am an Amat fan and I guess part of my opinion comes from watching how much more productive we have been since we made our change at QB. Who would you draft in the N.F.L. first and make your franchise player. Me personally a QB. Good luck Lancers this week and Chargers. We'll both need it versus some good football teams.

JUST WONDERING..DONT PLACE YOUR APPLES ON ROSEMEAD, THEY HAVE A FINE TEAM..BUT THE SEM EAGLES CAN PUT POINTS UP ON THE SCORE BOARD 35 ON SAN DIMAS..21 ON CHINO AYALA THE MOST TALENTED AND PHYSICAL TEAM IN THE INLAND EMPIRE..HAVE FOUR OF THE BIGEST MOST TALENTED LINE BACKERS ALL OVER 6' AND 200 PLUS POUNDS.. NOT TO MENTION LEADING RUSHER IN THE INLAND EMPIRE..WE ARE NOT LOSING SLEEP OVER OUR LOSE TO THIS GUYS.. SEM DEF IS IMPROVING.. IF WE CAN KEEP THE PANTHERS UNDER 14..WE CAN WIN........SEM HAS ALWAYS GIVEN SAN DIMS A RUN FOR THERE MONEY..THANK YOU

OH YES"" YOU FORGOT TO MENTION GAREY IS THE LEADING PASSER AND RUSHER IN THE SVG.......YES AHEAD OF OVERRATED TRE SUMNER..THANKS

Don

Stat based only but Barbone doesn't play QB.

Compare rushing to rushing then its a different story.

Would agree with "JW"

just wondering-it's not just the
"O-Line doing work in front of him" -
sometimes who is across from the O-Line matters.
Stats are tough to compare across divisions given different competition

McD Fan, FYI Chad Young started his Sophomore year

Garay is a great player... as I've pointed out... one point to remember however, is the fact that his team has lost a couple of games and will likely be booted out of the playoffs by Rosemead, Paraclete, or perhaps the San Dimas Saints (who've already beat SEM). Garay is a great player, but team matters. Case in point - Wilson High School and their fine running back Tim Gilmore. He was a front runner last year in the POY discussion, but this year he's not mentioned at all - his team is not playing well and his talent has been placed on the back burner. Garay is having more success on the field than Gilmore, but they are both suffering from being on teams that doesn't really have a strong chance at a championship - this combined with the fact that Barbone is playing on the best team in his division and the team that will likely win the CIF unless there is a let down of some type, makes it really difficult to pick Garay over Barbone, despite the fact he has some more yards and touchdowns.

Again, I think Garay is top notch to be sure - but all things considered, Barbone is the leader of the pack at the half way point in my way of thinking...

MTC...of course you get a pass.

I have to say, I am pushing Kaluzny and Allen, but I haven't seen San Dimas this season. Maybe Barbone or another of their running backs could change my mind.

PLEASE NOTE THAT WHILE THE OPINION SHOWN HERE IS FACT BASED, IT IS NOT MINE

OK, so in reading this blog, it is pretty clear that purely statistical leadership is what matters most to youse football intuleckshuals.

Here he is, Jose Garay:

412 more yards than Barbone, five more TD's, and a two point conversion

Wow, it is easy to just pick someone without thinking

PLEASE NOTE THAT WHILE THE OPINION SHOWN HERE IS FACT BASED, IT IS NOT MINE

So when McD was Player of the Year he ran over Chad Young? Sierra League Defensive MVP's last season. Chad didnt start or play that game, he was only a sophmore... But I could be very much wrong here what Sierra League Defensive MVP you talking about? Because Chad Young and Mike McD never butted heads, and yea pulling a knife on someone is a very POY material.. hmmmmm

And back to the Kaluzny, he makes so many clutch plays and he doesnt choke. He gets my two thumbs up.

It's not hard to provide a strong argument for Garay. I've watched 2 SEM games this season, and in both he was very good. In fact, if he had a little better protection and another receiver (he only has one good one), he could be great. He's got Michael Vick type skills, scrambles well, fairly strong arm, and great field awareness. Yea, no arguement from me, he's a gamer and deserves some attention in the POY process... 200 yards passing and 100 yards rushing are not amazing numbers, but when they're out of the same guy, it warrants attention.

Why is nobody mentioning South El Monte QB Jose Garay.
He's averaging 204 yards passing, and 110 running and has thrown 15 touchdowns, which was in Fred's story this week. His offense aerages 45 points a game. What more does he have to do?

Nico Barbone is the leader at the half way point... As long as his O-Line stays healthy, he will continue to run all over the place. A close second goes to DeShawn Gaise. He's special but he doesn't have an O-Line doing as much work in front of him as Barbone does at San Dimas. The distant thrid is Cid the Kid at West Covina. He's as good a lineman as we've had from the SGV in a few years - and while he deserves honorable mention, he's really just a little better than average. The next two best linemen are the tackles on the O-Line at San Dimas (Salm and Smith). Best QB at this point is the kid at Azusa - he's really carrying his team all on his own. There's a lot of good players in the valley this year and a good many of them deserve a pat on the back for working hard and bringing some good press to the area!

Player of the Year.

Glad to see people (ok one blogger other than myself) appreciate McD's greatness. Yes GREATNESS at the high school level.

The kid was just a phenom at this level against the local talent. ANYONE who saw the ALL STAR practices would have to agree. Among the best he stood HEADS AND SHOULDERS OVER EVERYONE. He ran over LBs, juked D Linemen, moved the ball at will and generally had one hell of a good time doing it. I can still hear him yelling..."YOU "CAN" HIT "THIS" QUARTERBACK!!!!" after running over and crushing the Sierra League defensive POY. Boy was he special. And yes he crushed defenders all week.

Last year was the biggest rip off, in my opinion! How the hell Ayala's Baca doesn't win it is ri-god-damn-diculous. To quote the great John Wayne. Look at how Baca's performances CHANGED Ayala's mindset and losing habits. Yes it was the coaching for sure but every Walsh, Holgrem, Shula, Parcells, Johnson, Noll need a QB with that IT factor.

And no matter of conversation will ever convince me that the Glendora's kid deserved it over a kid who started since his soph. year, endured a 0-10 season and numerous teams teeing off on Ayala's only hope...come on! And yes I saw Glndora play 4xs last year. QB K was more valuable in each game.

This year the voting will be tougher than last year. QB K was the team MVP last year and this year it will be a make up vote. He was way better last year with clutch after clutch throws, great clock management and incredible patience with a senior heavy team that was a preseason "watch out" team.

So this year I might have to go with POY to whoever put that Amat staff together. Diamond Ranch has the great Bonilla and Co. and Amat has Gaise and Co. but Barbone seems to be deserving considering he, like Baca, has changed the mindset from soft to tough and from falling apart at the end to maybe championship material.

He's a tough pick NOT to consider. I'd like people to nominate 4 players. 1 from their school (homer) and 3 from other schools. That way at least it auin't a popularity contest.

McD wasn't popular, at least in some high brow circles, but he was sometime few players this year will ever attain. Legendary status...2x !

Where ever you are Mc D...you won't soon be forgotten!

Sorry SGV Football I was so excited about almost putting that button on I dropped an E in there by mistake.

I hope I get a pass this time round.

Power, Excellence, Heart, Style, Class, Strength, Integrity & Skill

Nico Barbone gets my vote.

Nico Barbone is such a punishing runner, he makes every tackler pay a price, I have not seen every team play this year but, he has to be close to the top

Can any of these potential POY'S do what Mike McD did when he went back to back. I do not see any of these kids on a level with this McD so consequetly the stock of this award has really dropped. I would like to see a defensive player or a o/d lineman win this award. It has always come down to a RB or a QB. Sure they are limelight material but others dO a heck of job that do not play these positions and should really be looked at. Brent Seals of Amat fits this category so does Albert Cid of WC.

MTC, spell the kids name right.

K-A-L-U-Z-N-Y

You are right. Drew should get consideration. But is he more valuable that Holmes or Gonzales or Stockham?

I say yes...but he needs these guys to succeed.

Chris Allen deserves props as well. Don't hate on the kid Tartan fans. CO is the best all around team I have seen this year. That includes Amat (who will struggle in league). Muema is great. So are Williams, Perri, Powell and Rycraw. But like Kaluzny, Allen is the glue.

Drew Kaluzny and Chris Allen for co-players of the year.

I Am Mike the Clone

And you are NOT! (I love doing that just for you oldtimers)

Just wanted to chime in here and stir the pot. If we are talking half way through the season, I'm going to be a homer and half a "buttonwearer" on this one and say if anyone means more to one single team and has some big plays so far it has to be Drew Kaluzney.

You old timers know that I was talking him up since he was a sophomore and they keep platooning him and Garrett Crook. I was saying go with one or the other.

If Drew is serious about playing that position at the next level he'll have to bulk up and apply himself more. The mechanics are there he just needs to fine-tune them if what he wants is the next level.

So at midway “The Kaluz” gets my nod.

So chew on that all you Clone haters. EEERRRRRR, like you matter to me what you think anyways. Right Chris's!

It's nice to see all you haters using the "gloss" too.

I AM OUT!

GOOD NIGHT NOW!

Mike The Clone

P.S. The guy in the parking lot at the Amat game last week that noticed me wearing the Glendora Hat and I called them the "Bagpipers" and you just laughed I wanted to say thanks for not blowing my cover. You had a brush with the Clone greatness. Next to my "Bagpipers" the Lancers are a close second.

So as we consider this vital question, we ask ourselves, (well, some of us do anyhow), what IS actually important here? Pure stats? Team finish? Total contribution, (Offense, Defense, Special Teams)? We ought also ask ourselves how much weight should we give a category; you know, what is more important stats or winning. Are TD's more important than yardage?

Should we even consider a kid like Chad Young, (hey, where in Glendora does Chad live anyhow?), based on mostly defensive numbers or Kyle Lengyel because ALL of his numbers are on D even though he is an all-league quality offensive lineman. Which statistical measures matter?

Harder than you thought, huh?

No wonder some, to remain unnamed here, people prefer the “touchy feely”, non-quantified approach to POY or AOTY.

Chris Allen is not POY material in my opinion. What kind of drives has he made this year? Handing the ball off to Muema doesnt count, he hasnt made any game changing plays. Has he had any clutch plays? And dont go ranting oh Charter Oak's the best team, blah blah, yada yada. Because they're not, I would love to see them up their a notch or 2 or maybe notch and half?
Its my opinion and guarantee fans have same opinion.

TROJAN MAN please say something...

Top 5 as I see it but like you said things can change, lots of season left.

1.) Nico Barbone San Dimas
2.) Cameron Deen So. Hills
3.) DeShawn Gaise Amat
4.) Brent Seals Amat
5.) Chris Allen C.Oak

Probables:Underclassmen

Adam Muema C.Oak
Ricky Johnson W.Covina
Leonard Rhodes Walnut

Gasie in the backfield. It's Gasie! Gasie!! Deshawn Gasie, Gasie to the 5 yard line. LLLLLancers first down!!!!!

Nico's mom already campaigning for POY?

Nico, Nico, Nico Barbone. If the Saints go undefeated and win the title, there's no way he can't win.