Are we talking baseball already?

Thank you very much for stepping up and agreeing and confirming what I have said and seen for many years. I am sure Mr. Joe Amat will once again say its not true. Just so some here know, I am just stating facts. Also Im glad someone else chiimed in on the Azusa kids, as Joe Amat knows nothing. If anyone else knows first hand, post it up so for Joe Amats sake, maybe he will understand that "Friends of the Program" is very legite and starts when those kids are very very young!

Joe Amat,
I do not know you well enough to know if you are being sincere or a smart ass and it's not my concern. Since i did not graduate from Amat, I do not carry the Code of Silence that you fool heartedly do. Amat is great to the chosen few and my friend reaped the benefits. You can't hardly keep a straight and say that Amat has the same set of rules and you cannot say that every student athlete must abide by the same rules. We can get much deeper if needed but just try and back off a bit on the holier than though and that Amat plays by the same rules. It just isn't true. Stay on the side of the great education it offers and great preparation for life.

fan,

good to see someone come in that is in the know. did I say anything that wasn't true? is EB happy back in the NFL. I liked his enthusiasm at the college level(although it must be nice coaching Adrian Peterson).

Being a family friend of Bienemy, do not think of telling me he had no assistance from Amat. Please Big Joe don't even get into cleaning halls. I know the truth. Here is the big difference, I completely approve of all the "help" BA gave to EB, he was worth every penny they did not collect from him, as I am sure many were taken care of before him and many have been after him. We also have friends that know the Hayden family well. Amat takes care of their elite, believe you/me.

Joe,

Yes, you are so right. The Center Amat Alum is still there teaching away!! SC Grad too!! His Older Brother (another Amat Alum) is a VP of IT for a Company in the South Bay, I believe. (Both St. Frances Lancers too!!)

Outstanding people along with being very, very proud Amat Alums!!

Know the older brother has a 8th Grader that is an exceptional Baseball and Football Player in the Glendora Area.

Parent,

If we are talking about the same family of brothers, yes they are great people. The one I'm thinking about , who is still a math teacher at Center was a St Francis of Rome alum - yes?
Could he have taught either of them in summer school?

And it is great to see them both succeed in college at Ole Miss and Colorado State - in competition and in the classroom

Joe,

You do need to be corrected though... The Ole Miss player went to Slauson Middle and his sister actually went to Foothill Middle School, not Center, though Center is where Eric B. called home.

As for the Center Amat Alum, he was an Football/Wrestler student athlete at Amat in the late 80's (a teammate of EB as well!)

As an Azusan who is close to all those mentioned, they are ALL great people who gladly remember their times at Amat.

For those that are saying a free ride was given to any of the above....

YOU ARE SO WRONG!!! All of those mentioned parents worked tremendously hard to get them through Amat, never taking a DIME from the School.

Quit dragging them through the mud or making asinine statements!!

Of course joe knows a family very well. Come on. Woudn't have expected you to name any kids but if you are honest - you know that is rarely a roadblock for the CIF officials. Not so sure we think you all run and rule the CIF big wigs -- but I do not think they tend to worry as much about where kids live when trying to get into Amat. Get it?? Of you course you don't - and true, LOYAL to a fault.

Thought wrong. I do know a family very well who had to *legally* change custody from the mother to the father in order to satisfy a change in residence. It's not enough to just "move-in" with dad - legal custody MUST be proven to the CIF - for EVERY school. But it's good to know you think we have that much pull at the CIF office... I guess we aren't the "barrio school" that everyone seems to think. Or I guess we aren't as "over the hill/living in the past" as most claim, if we carry that much juice.

I'm also ethical enough to know that *individual* cases should not be discussed other than in generalities. Sorry, but not throwing some family under the bus. The transfer process typically takes place in the spring, so families find out in the summer if they are eligible. Usually in those cases, when a player is restricted, if they are legit, they either don't ultimately enroll and use "Old Timers" move, a hardship, or something similar to go somewhere else or just stay put.

You all talk about all these "transfers" , and while their may be a few, a vast... vast majority of players enter as 9th graders (from wherever) and play all 4 years.

JOE AMAT - WE ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN, CAN YOU NAME 3 TRANSFER ATTEMPTS THAT CIF DENIED AMAT - DUE TO "RESIDENTIAL INELIGIBILTY" ???? I AM SURE THEY HAVE TO LEGALLY DO ALL THE PAPERWORK - BUT GUARANTEED AMAT DOES NOT GET TURNED DOWN. ANY KIDS THERE HAVE TO GET AN ATTORNEY TO PROVE RESIDENCY??? I DIDN'T THINK SO....

Old Timer,

Thanks for helping prove the point that it is just as easy (and maybe easier) to transfer to a public school and GAIN ELIGIBILITY thru CIF
(*** which you have yet to address how Amat "get's around THAT one***)

"....All you have to do is go to a school you would like your kid to attend and find a course your district does not offer, example Future Farmers of America. You can change schools at a drop of a dime with 0 penalties. it happens everyday at tons of public schools and private..."

Remember, we agreed that anyone can ENROLL... but proving ELIGIBILITY is out of our hands. Is the CIF Commissioner in on the deal?

Coincidentally, the Azusa kid in question (and his sister) went to Center Intermediate School - the home of Eric Bieniemy. So Amat runs through the halls for that reason. Plus their math teacher is an Amat grad - non athlete but sports enthusiast, by the way. So yes... the seeking started long before enrollment... in the 9th grade - NOT after some other school has "put a couple years into them".

If you really want to look into it there have been FAR more instances of AMAT putting a couple years into a student/athlete and that player going elsewhere than the reverse.

And like I told "Jonesy" - don't even play the "Homerism/Blind Loyalty" card.
Especially if you read often, you can go back in the archives and read some things I wrote during the Verti years. i was the devil-incarnate on campus and the Verti-ites were looking to lynch me at the booster Chalk Talks. Don't get me started on MSGr, MHphd, finances, development, the direction of the boys basketball team, black included in uniforms, or the band.

So try to do all the "knocking down" you want, and question how "inside" any info is... "no idea" - THAT may have been the most humorous thing you've written. Are you trying to rival "jcaz" for jokester of the board?

I'll let any info I've written/predicted over time stand as to what is credible and what isn't. You'll believe what you want, and write the reverse anyway. You've been talking about the huge advantage private schools have in transfers - and now today you come on and say anyone can transfer - public or private. Atta way to be consistent!

reality CHICK, as any of us know around here - YOU are so far up JA's a** or any amat honk, YOUR COMMENTS MEAN NOTHING. HE SHUT NO ONE UP HERE!!!! Now, you really need to find another leg to hump. Aren't you a public school grad?

reality CHICK, as any of us know around here - YOU are so far up JA's a** or any amat honk, YOUR COMMENTS MEAN NOTHING. HE SHUT NO ONE UP HERE!!!!

With the talk of all these Amat transfers...Can anyone tell me of all these transfers in the Amat baseball program? I can only think of one who will be on the varsity this year who transfered legally after his freshman year from another private school. Over the past few years I can't think of anyone. Since you there experts with all this information out there please educate us on all these transfers.

Hey Chezch im here. I have a life outside the board unlike MR. Joe Amat. Back to the original comments that were made and to his so called "expertise" on all that is Amat.

I am glad that you like the phrase "Friends of the Program" it just go's to show you that this has been going on for many years and will continue on for many more. Anything I have mentioned is fact, if you took the time to research what I was saying, like you do to research the CIF Rules, things would be so much nicer around here. I guess what I am saying is that your Homerism is blinding, and anything you say has "0" credibility. Like I have said before, you dont know who I am or what I have done in this Valley in past years.

The main issue still at Amat is that they do not have to adhere to the same rules as a public school. Amat, or any other private school for that matter. Like I have said to you before you have no idea what go's on at that school. I have no ax to grind at all, I am just getting sick of you popping off and telling everyone how it is over there or how you know all the rules etc. I have commented in the past on issues, but your comments are so out there is funny. That school gives out more full ride scholarships to kids if they can run the rock or pitch the ball better then anyone, you dont really think that they give those scholarships to just anyone. I am sure the kids in Azusa seeked out Amat. You just need to be knocked down a level. You do say some interesting things sometimes, but like I said before u have no credibility as u act like you know everything on every subject.

I hope peeps dont get offended by my comments or anything. I usually sit back and just read as I have been through this over and over again regarding schools and there recruiting. Its just a shame when a school puts a year or two into a kid and Amat comes running with open arms and promises the world. So say what you will Joe Amat and continue to quote and copy the rules, anyone who knows the inside like myself knows how it really works.

Here is just a tidbit of info regarding transfers for any parent looking to move on to a different school. Just to show Joe here I dont just spout off w anything.

All you have to do is go to a school you would like your kid to attend and find a course your district does not offer, example Future Farmers of America. You can change schools at a drop of a dime with 0 penalties. it happens everyday at tons of public schools and private. How do u think Varsity QB's transfer from school A to BETTER SCHOOL B? its easy as 1,2,3.. I could go on and on. Like I said before I would gladly educate u on how transfers really happen, and how Amat educates a certain kid on the phone on how to transfer, and no I didnt hear of a few instances, I have known and seen it happen time and time again. Its nothing personal you just need to know that this stuff go's on and stop being a homer!

peace

it reads more like JA shut everyone up. no one responded to his last couple points with any rebuttal and the two halfway intelligent posts sort of agreed with him. Old Timer-where are you?
advantage Joe Amat.

What nothing more from Sister Joe Amat? Dude YOU can sure clear a room. Thank you for admitting defeat and carrying on elsewhere. You probably put yourself to sleep as well. Good Luck to all players. Enjoy the best years of your life right here in High school.

"Peace" and "Dead Horse" - Get to talking. What do you got to say? Joe, any word on Amat's football field? New turf/grass? Moved to Orange or not? When?

What happened to the two biathces, 'joe amat' and dude with 'joe amat in every name' he listed? Sniveling girls. Lets talk baseball

Joe - stick to anything - anything of interest.. It's true, you are a snoozer.

seriously, stick to the comics.

Jonesy, go back in the archives and read some things I wrote during the Verti years. i was the devil-incarnate on campus and the Verti-ites were looking to lynch me at the booster Chalk Talks. Don't get me started on MSGr, MHphd, finances, development, the direction of the boys basketball team, black included in uniforms, or the band.

Loyal to a fault? No...when there's something wrong I'll be the first to let you know. When people are myopic or fail understand, I will make sure to point out facts to inform them. They can do with those what they will. Some choose to ingnore facts... and those people are called... well look at the word ignore and extrapolate from there.

Sorry Joe - I bet even DON doesn't read all that garbage. Show of hands - who will read all that?? THAT IS WHAT I THOUGHT. You waste WASTE a lot of someone's valuable time.

JOE AMAT CAN MAKE A SOBER NON-DRINKING MAN WANT TO DRINK. THERE IS SUCH THING AS LOYAL TO A FAULT. I HAVE MY LOYALTY BUT I CAN SEE AND EVEN TAKE SOME CRITICISM.

Well first off I am not a bishop fan at all, in fact I am a NV supporter, but I have to agree with Joe Amat, transferring schools has become such a difficult task, just the only thing Joe forgot was that a kid is allowed to freely transfer before the first day of school their sophomore year. I graduated recently and that rule was not in effect when i transferred after my freshman year.

Enough already ,
Good Post. Approximately 75% of Amat's football program attended private or charter schools comared to about 85% of the entire student body.

Chill out! Let's talk about local talent and baseball I'm so sick of all the Amant talk it's played out already.

If the issue is Transfers vs. Incoming Freshmen, Amat does indeed have less paperwork for incoming freshmen. Student athlete TRANSFERS are the same, regardless if the school is public or private. There are plenty of private student athletes denied eligibility because they did not meet the CIF guidelines. Reference this page for some examples. http://www.cifss.org/adm/t_approval.php (use % in last name field to view all) You will see denied, restricted and approved for public as well as private schools.

Incoming freshmen at Amat can apply and if granted admission can attend without filing any paperwork with their local school districts. Most public school districts have open enrollment, but in order to go to ‘the other’ public high school paperwork must be submitted and approved by both schools and/or districts. CIF does not get involved with incoming freshmen.

Here are some simple examples.
IE. If John Smith is a sophomore football stud at La Puente HS and wants to transfer to Amat he must meet the CIF guidelines as if he were transferring to Los Altos.

If Juan Sanchez is a soccer stud at Amat and wants to transfer to Damien he must also
Meet the CIF guidelines for student athlete transfers. He cannot simply show up and start paying the bill and get playing time.

If Tubby Jones is an 8th grader and lives in Covina and wants to attend Amat, he takes the test and gets admitted. If Jones wants to attend South Hills he has to file paperwork requesting admission.

An interesting question is how many of Amat’s athletes attended parochial schools prior to attending Amat?

Old Timer,

You sound like the kind of guy that has read what I wrote... otherwise you would not have gone out of your way to suggest that I read and listen. So you can read this. Those of you who can't get beyond a sentence or two - move on to something else. Read the comics or something more to your liking.

So "Old Timer", maybe you blinked when I wrote "Amat can ACCEPT any *student* from anywhere and we don't have to worry about districts, attendance areas, etc. They can commute, go to class, cheerlead, be in the band, drama club, or be ASB president." Essentially I said *BEFORE* you wrote, it, that ANY student can "ENROLL" (as you wrote) at Bishop Amat regardless of residence and do almost all of the things other students can do. So WE AGREE! But we are talking about ATHLETIC ELIGIBILITY - which the SCHOOL does not control... ask Diamond Ranch!

The CIF office approves all eligibility and EVERY school, public or private, must fill out a Transfer Eligibility Form 207 that is and application for students transfering from one high school to another and applies to ALL students transferring - public or private. That MUST be signed by both principals and CIF must issue approval of that form.

If there is a Valid Change of Residence EVERY school, public or private, must also fill out a Transfer Eligibility Form 206 and provide evidence that a valid change of residence
has occurred that may include:
1. Telephone and utility service operative at the student’s new residence and terminated at the former residence.
2. Vehicle registration listing the new address.
3. Voter registration listing the new address.
4. Real estate documents indicating and verifying a change of residence (sale and purchase, for instance.)
5. Court documents indicating a change of residence.
6. Other documentation or evidence* that a section or school district may require that establishes that a person is living
at the new address, i.e.:*
a. Driver’s license
b. Bank accounts
c. Credit cards
d. Removal of all personal items and furniture from the previous address
e. Post Office forwarding all mail to new residence address
The CIF Commissioner reviews this information and issues an approval to the school.
AT AMAT - PLAYERS DO NOT PLAY UNLESS THEY HAVE THAT APPROVAL. PERIOD!

New in 2008 is the Pre-Enrollment Contact Affidavit Form 510 that you must submit. By signing this affidavit below, tehy certify that no person who is connected with the athletic department of the enrolling (new) school or is part of the booster club was acting on their behalf has had communication, directly or indirectly, with this transfer student, student's parents, legal guardian or caregiver, or anyone acting on behalf of this student, prior to the completion of the enrollment process at School "B". If the CIF is satisfied they approve it. If not (as in Cezar Guerrero at Workman) they ask for more info.
AT AMAT - PLAYERS WILL NOT PLAY UNLESS THEY HAVE THAT APPROVAL. PERIOD!

Then there is the Eligibility List for Playoffs that is to be to be completed for all athletes participating in playoffs. This must match all athletes that have approved eligibility otherwise you forfeit playoff games. So information is checked, double-checked, and triple checked AT THE CIF OFFICE to determine and approve eligibility.
AT AMAT - PLAYERS WILL NOT PLAY UNLESS THEY HAVE THAT APPROVAL. PERIOD!

And then there is all of the "self-policing" going on - such as the type that got Diamond Ranch in trouble when a league opponent turned them in - and rightfully so. Do you think for a second that Amat opponents would not LOVE to do THAT?!?! During all this keep in mind that ANY 9th grader can go to ANY school, public or private, that will accept them. And we can go on and on naming examples at nearly every school in the valley, public or private. This SHOULD be allowed under school choice and open enrollment. Also, this year the one-time transfer before the sophomore year is allowed - to ANY school, public or private. So now we are on equal footing regarding CIF eligibility, and for those that can't accept that - it is simply in black and white - so there is no argument whatsoever.

It is interesting that we have now gone from the little living in the past school from the barrio to this CIF power that the commissioner still crumbles at the feet of and turns a blind eye and deaf ear to the myriad of violations over the last 20 years that you speak of. If you think the CIF would not LOVE to take down a private school you have not been paying much attention. To write that Amat "never ever used and never ever will" is simply irresponsible. The above is not optional.

You also must have inadvertently missed the post, just a few below where I outlined ALL of the scholarship opportunities at Bishop Amat. Not some secret-society "Friends of the Program" (nice phrase out of "Blue Chips" by the way) but right out in the open - and not a CIF violation at all. If you are an "Old Timer" on this board you probably didn't miss my post supporting the Freshman Football Coach and mentioning that he also donates a full scholarship to the school every year. No hiding anything here about financial aid. If anything, that puts US on equal footing with public schools - does it not? Now, the "Price is Right". Apply for the financial aid and if ANY student meets criteria they are eligible. It all goes over MSGr's desk. If for a second you think that money-grubber school "president" doesn't make certain that EVERY penny for EVERY student is accounted for you're definitely not as "in the know" as you project.

Finally, what does *who* coaches have anything to do with what we are saying. Sounds like you have some personal ax to grind behind all this. That story (from WAY in the past) only shows that Amat DOES follow rules by disciplining student athletes like Rix or Wells (and many others that don't make the papers) REGARDLESS of their athletic prowess. AND that we realize that people CAN change... so can you.

hey relax - relax. THAT is the point trying to be made. Holy Amat is NOT above it all. In all this shmuck - let's remember the whole issue we are grinding on.........AMAT DOES NOT FACE THE SAME ISSUES REGARDING TRANSFERS AND THAT THEY HAVE SO FEW LIMITATIONS ON KIDS COMING TO AMAT - BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY LIVE... WHERE THEY LIVE... Amat can pull from anywhere.... That is what we are grinding on here.. NOW granted - Amat faces a bunch of other issues but NOT that they are even as far as what all public schools go through with kids coming to their school. Please do not refuse to see the obvious.

Where's Don shouldn't he be chiming in soon....you know the baseball WIZARD and all:)

Relax you two gobblers. Just because Old Timer has heard some stories or knew somebody who got an Amat "Scholarship" does not mean that this is the everyday practice. There are many scholarships available to help student/athletes in need. If a coach or parent chooses to buy a bat or glove for a kid who is in need SO WHAT! As far as coaches talking to kids about going to their schools...Im pretty sure THAT happens everywhere.

Old Timer -- a million thank you-s.. thank you thank you thank you.. I doubt Joe Amat will come down off the cross and admit it BUT this is exactly what we have been trying to say all along. VERY DIFFERENT RULES APPLY TO AMAT. Sister Joe thinks if he PRINTS the rules -well by golly - they MUST be followed. Joe - love how you 'quote' one little section from another blogger and you act all superior - like they are on YOUR side only. You really are a freaky dude with way too much time on your hands. BUT it's been fun and I would love for this to keep going on.

This is for Joe Amat.

Please read and listen before you start to copy and paste the CIF Rulebook for enrollment to me. You have no clue who I am, but I think I know who you are.

To sit there and copy and paste rules that Bishop has never ever used and never ever will is just crazy. Amat does not have to at any time follow those rules. Amat is a private school, therefore a child at anytime living anywhere can change and enroll w zero questions asked. Now you can go on and on about the rule book, but you dont know squat when it comes to Amat and the "real" behind the scenes action taken to recruit or "buy" a certain kid. I know hand over fist a list of kids that have had The Varsity Football Coach and the Varsity Baseball Coach both attend summer games and call them directly at there house and offer them a "chance" to attend Amat.

I am not trying to get yo all riled up, but you really know nothing of the "scholarship Program" and how it really works. I know what you read and whats printed, but have you ever heard of "FRIENDS OF THE PROGRAM" at Amat. Im sure you will either deny it or say that you know about it, either way if you know about it, then you know that those kids get a call in the summer from the coach's and are offered the full tuition paid in full before they even enroll in school. Also there books and there so called working the Bingo, Dance etc time is waived!! I know this for a fact. That kid from Azusa who plays Football at Ole Miss never paid a penny for anything, including clothes, books etc. Either did his sister, I know baseball players who had there gloves bought for them, there bats, etc. Amat is on another level when it comes to sneaky sneaky. Everyone knows about how Martinez used to be and about Escallara and how he recruited all summer and offerd big $$ to kids.. Same for the Football team.

I am not gonna get into a pisssing match w you, as I know the facts past and present, now you too could be a parent of a child that went there of maybe even a coach! But to sit there and act like you are all knowing about Amat and to have the balls to post up the rule book, just shows you know nothing of what really go's on there. The ones that know are quiet about it and dont say a word. How bout Wyrick and Rix, Minor Wagner, McCutchen I could go on for days with names and I have not even began with the Baseball team and there recruiting and the money they have given over the years. Didnt Rix get tossed from Amat for cheating countless times, then have the nerve to blast them on his way out w his dad. Oh Ya wasnt he coaching there this year. Shows what kind of backbone they really have, none. I would never let that kid coach if he said some of the things he and his father said after they finally had to expell him for cheating on finals etc.

To sit there and think Amat has to have players move etc to enroll just shows that your a tool and you know nothing, all a parent has to do is pull there kid from a public school and enroll him in a private school if they will take him. All the Parent has to do is sign a paper saying they want to attend a private school. Easy as 1,2,3....

If you would like to talk private I can easily fill you in what really happens over there. Anytime just let me know and I can fill yoou in with lots of the real stuff that went on over there for the last 20 years.

peace!

It shouldnt be that hard for Nieto to figure out his starting defense. If I was calling the shots the defense would look like this.
C- Maclanahan
1B- Paez/Zuniga
2B- Garcia/Genzuk
3B- Ruiz
SS- Bergara
LF- Eusebeo/Grijalva
CF- Rodriguez
RF- Mcraney/Andersen

What about that AMAT defense Joe? The left side of the infield is ANEMIC at best. Huge loses at third, short and first. Franco at third is not as solid a hitter as coach would have us believe and the glove is sometimes suspect too. Don't even get me started at Short. No arm strength, No range and a slap hitter at best. Second baseman has a decent glove but appears to be a slump hitter. Either real good or real bad. Freshman kid has promise but as a youngster I can't see him hitting like Fox or using the glove like Fox. Maybe a year or two to fully mature. He will only get better. Any new up and coming pitchers in the program? how about Outfielders? I can't call it. Any power in the outfield? I see some speed but outfield looks to be up for grabs. McCllanahan (?) will be fine behind the dish but who's behind him? AMAT BASEBALL is just around the corner.

FYI,

Tuition is approximately $6,100and registration fees are approximately $600.

The following scholarships and financial aid sources are currently available to any student enrolled at Bishop Amat High School, athlete or not:

1. The Archdiocese of Los Angeles Education Foundation Tuition Awards Program

The Education Foundation provides Archdiocesan High Schools tuition awards each school year in the amount of $2,000.00 each.

Criteria: The Education Foundation bases Financial Eligibility at approximately 15 percent above the Federal School Lunch Program income guidelines. Students qualify for a Tuition Award based on academic achievement, involvement in parish and school activities, combined annual family incomes,strength of personal character, and a recommendation from the Principal.

2. George H. Mayr Foundation Scholarship Program

There are two components to this program. In 1999 and 2000, the school matched two challenge grants of $25,000 each from the Mayr Foundation and created a long-term interest bearing account with the Archdiocese. This income source funds two annual scholarships in the amount of $2,500.00 each.

The George H. Mayr Foundation also provides the school with an annual donation of $20,000.00 to be used in the current year to fund eight scholarships in the amount of $2,500.00 each. In addition to the eight scholarships that the Foundation funds, interest from the investment provides two scholarships in the amount of $2,500.00 each.

Criteria: The Foundation stipulates that the awards be at least $2,500.00 in amount and the awardees be deserving, needy and worthy of financial aid. They are to be designated Mayr Scholars and are obligated to submit personal portfolios annually to the Foundation. Choice of the awardees is left to the school. The Foundation prefers to assist their awardees through their entire high school careers.

3. The Bishop Amat High School Honors at Entrance Program

In the Fall of 2001, the school initiated a program to honor academically gifted ninth grade applicants with a one time financial award to assist them in meeting their tuition obligations to the school.

Criteria: To be eligible for the awards, the applicants must take our entrance test and enroll as ninth grade students. Students who score in the 95th-99th percentile are awarded a $2,000.00 scholarship; those who score 90th-94th percentile are awarded a $1,500.00 scholarship.

4. The Bishop Amat High School Financial Aid Program

Specific amounts are appropriated through the school budget to underwrite financial aid that will be granted to needy students. The amount allocated in the 2008-2009 budget is $225,000.00.

The criteria and process by which recipients are chosen are identical to those employed by the Archdiocesan Tuition Grant Program. In practice, we choose our recipients from those students whose applications to the Archdiocesan Program were not funded.

5. The Sylvester M. Graff Scholarship Program

The Graff Scholarship was established in 1999 with funds donated by the widow of the late Mr. Graff in memory of her deceased husband. Interest drawn from the investment provides for one annual scholarship in the amount of $3,300.00.

Criteria: to be awarded at the discretion of the President to a student of superior academic ability who is experiencing severe financial difficulty.
6. The Angelo J. Brutocao Scholarship Program

The Brutocao Scholarship was established in 1999 with funds donated by the widow of the late Mr. Brutocao in memory of her deceased husband. Interest drawn from the investment provides for one annual scholarship in the amount of $1,100.00.

Criteria: to be awarded at the discretion of the President to an academically capable student in need of financial aid.
7. Bishop Amat High School Alumni Scholarship Fund

8. Carrie Estelle Doheny Scholarship Program

9. Armando Gallegos Scholarship Fund

The Scholarship was established with funds donated by the daughters of the late Mr. Gallegos in memory of their deceased father. Interest drawn from the investment provides for one annual scholarship in the amount of $1,100.00.

Criteria: to be awarded at the discretion of the President to a student who is experiencing financial difficulty.

Play Allday... You forgot to mention the fact that at-least one member of the family worked at the school for a period of hours a day during his time at Amat, All tuition's are accounted for. And yes you may attend if you are from Newfoundland Canada, Providing you have a ride & enter your freshman year.

I know that some of you avoid actually reading at all costs, which may explain a lot to begin with. That being the case you may have passed up this very important point

206. RESIDENTIAL ELIGIBILITY
A. Initial Residential Eligibility
A student has residential eligibility upon initial enrollment in:
(1) The 9th grade of any CIF high school, a CIF junior high school, or a junior high school.

Note the word ***ANY***. Not public or private... ANY kid can go anywhere in the 9th grade and be eligible.

That means the kid from Azusa (which is hardly 25 miles away) or the other one from "not La Puente" that go to Amat... or the kid from Monrovia that drives to Charter Oak, the kid from West Covina that drives to Los Altos, the kid from Baldwin Park that goes to Northview, the kid... well you get the picture. All legal.

clownloverfromWC... certainly not going to throw some kid under the bus that did not have the wherewithal to move and gain eligibility, forcing them to wallow at their previous school.

Don.. very concise. We wouldn't want them to have to read anything longer than that.

Woody, They better do it with small ball, defense and pitching because , you're right, not many big bats. We'll see. And you're right.... it's like a bad episode of Punk'd. No one can be this ignorant!

Playallday - I hope that's tru! I want to jump on that gravy train! How good do you have to be because I'll be driving from 35 miles out and I got MAD SKILLS!!! How many green backs does it cost a month to go to AMAT? Does it matter that I am a Freshman and can CHOOSE any school I want before the first day of my Soph year? Does that make me guilty of being recruited by AMAT?

is it not true that ba gives scholys to kids for the 4 years at school when they are playing football, and maybe other sports, and they dont live in the area, i happen to know for sure that this is true, so what are we arguing about? the actual process for getting in the school? the kid who plays at miss. u never paid a dime, and his family drove him to school everyday from about 25 miles away. thats whats great about ba and other private schools,you can build a great team every year

Dear Curious,

Yes, you are.

Your Friend,

Don

I PERSONALLY KNOW AN AMAT BASEBALL PLAYER THAT HAS BEEN AT AMAT AND NEVER -- NEVER -- MOVED OUT OF THE AREA WHERE HE GREW UP AND STILL CURRENTLY LIVES. AND IT IS NOT IN LA PUENTE. WON'T THROW THE KID BUT AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE?

joebozo amat - answer the question, can u name 3 kids turned away from amat because of their living arrangements? That question only. come on lets hear it.

Joe, It's obvious that these clowns will NEVER understand the FACTS. Even if they did, they would probably keep posting like they didn't just to keep messing with you. LET IT GO. What do you think about AMATS baseball chances?

Sorry boys...AMAT is NOT a shoe in for any championship, VII,V,X or IV. I don't see the offensive power and aside from Paez and MAYBE Zuniga their pitchings not all that strong either. IF Paez doesn't come back just as strong or stronger, THE FAT LADY SINGS.

No bozo I don't "get it" read the next paragraph.

We can GET students from anywhere. But THAT'S not what we are talking about - is it?

ATHLETES need to prove to the CIF that they have changed residence.

Get it?

Unless you are saying that our band has an advantage... in which case you haven't heard our band!

amat - give us 3 examples of any kid refused only because of where he lived. only because of where he lived.

Amat can ACCEPT any *student* from anywhere and we don't have to worry about districts, attendance areas, etc. They can commute, go to class, cheerlead, be in the band, drama club, or be ASB president.

OK NEEDS THE CAPS FOR EMPHASIS --
IDIOT JOE, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ARGUING WITH YOU ABOUT CONSTANTLY -- AMAT NEVER HAS TO WORRY -----WHERE----- LOGISTICALLY - THEY GET THEIR TALENT FROM!!!!! AND THAT IS WHAT GIVES YOU -AMAT -- THE BIG BIG BIG ADVANTAGE OVER PUBLIC SCHOOLS........... LADIES AND GENTLEMEN I THINK WE JUST GOT AFFIRMATION FROM IDIOT JOE -- YES WE HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF 'PULLING' IN TALENT.. PULLING FROM WEST COVINA, COVINA, AZUSA, HELL - EVEN ORANGE COUNTY, EVEN THE SFV IF SO DESIRED!!!!!! GET IT NOW????????????????????

Cappy,

I GET exactly what you are saying and you are absolutely, 100% WRONG when it comes to CIF eligibility.

Amat can ACCEPT any *student* from anywhere and we don't have to worry about districts, attendance areas, etc. They can commute, go to class, cheerlead, be in the band, drama club, or be ASB president.

BUT and here is your Big But (pun intended) when it comes to *athletic eligibility* all the same rules apply, as Don said (a NON-Amat guy who happens to be rational and understands the rules). Amat has to make sure that we get approval from the Commissioner of CIF that proof of residential eligibility has been satisfied and unrestricted eligibility has been approved. For an Amat student that means that they can live anywhere, but they have to move OUT OF whatever public school attendance area they previously lived in.

Now if you don't think Amat is diligent about ensuring established residential eligibility then you would think that at least sometime, somehwere, one of the many rumors, myths, old-wives tales, or urban legends would have come back to bite us in the butt and we would have some sort of sanctions.... as others have.

Can you tell me WHY you think THAT has not occurred.

If a player as freshman transfer he does not have to relocate as it CIF rules regardless of public or private. If a sophomore and above transfers they need to relocate even if is a private school. I know a player who wanted to transfer to Amat this year but didn't go because he would not have been able to play because he didn't move. How is that different from a public school?

FOOD FOR THOUGHT --
THE FINANCIAL OBLIGATION - AND THAT IS THE MAIN AND ALBEIT A HUGE ONE, THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCE IN AMAT VS. PUBLIC SCHOOLS. NOT TRANSFERS!! YES JOE - WE GET THAT AMAT HAS TO FILL OUT THE PAPERWORK -- BUT I GUARANTEE YOU -- NO HOUSE CHECKS, NO LAWYER'S REQUESTS, NO ADMINISTRATION HOUSE CHECKS -- SO AGAIN, DON'T EVEN TRY AND TELL US IT IS THE SAME THING.

Sorry I had to drop out of the chitty chat there for a bit.

Thanks to those who had my back while I “participated” in a conference call.

BTW, to Mr. Hot Air, I think what you meant to say is that I am a blowhard, (noun), not a blow hard. I think you are wrong, but certainly entitled to your own opinion.

As to the discussion, all CIF Member schools file the same paperwork on kids who participate in sports. Private, public, it makes no difference. This has nothing to do with what district they live in or what school they “should” attend, it's only about keeping track of the individual. CIF and the Southern Section doesn't care where a kid attends unless he/she is transferring from another school.

There are kids who attend school in different counties than the one they live in for a variety of reasons, (like a parent is a teacher or has a job nearby). Some folks want there kid at a certain school and go to amazing lengths to get them there. Loyola is probably the best example I can think of; they have kids who live in the Santa Clarita Valley, Ventura County, Riverside County, all over. All just to go to a school right in the middle of 18th Street gangbanger territory.

baseball fan,

Again.. whether you want to believe it or not all schools have the same " hassles of LEGAL transfers."

If a kid lives in West Covina, Amat has to go thru ALL OF THE SAME STEPS as, let's say a Charter Oak or a Los Altos would, to ensure he is a legit transfer.

I'm sorry that you refuses to admit that.

I am proposing that it is easier to recruit at schools such as Northview, South Hills, and Charter Oak. Sure Amat can get kids from wherever they want but their parents still have to pay a good penny to attend the school. Why go to Amat when you can win a championship at Northview, South Hills or Charter Oak for free?

I will give that to Don, he is one of the 'sound' and 'smart' guys here on the blog and the best thing is that he is impartial and fair. Joe Amat may have knowledge but he is so biased towards Amat that it interferes with good old common sense and takes away his credibility. Sorry but that is the truth.

Don, that is the point I think they are trying to make with Joe Amat. The fact that Amat doesn't have to worry about recruiting -or dealing with just local kids - or the hassles of LEGAL transfers. All of those hassles does not make Amat equal to or on the same playing field as all public schools. It is so much tougher on the public schools, now granted Amat students do have to follow MUCH stricter rules and guidelines and deal with financial issues -- that is NOT what this argument is about though. Joe Amat wants to think that all schools are equal. If a kid lives in West Covina, What does Amat have to do to ensure he is a legit transfer -- NOTHING!!! That is what he refuses to admit.

Im still laughing about his 10 studs from Damien that he mentioned. His a baseball WIZARD.

hot air must be from Wilson and didn't like Dons kiddieball and snackbar references. Don's on eof the smartest on here-and he's not even an Amat guy!

Not involved in the girl fight. I just think your a blow hard Don that's all.

"Oh no blow hard Don back on the scene!

Posted by: Hot air | January 5, 2009 11:59 AM"

So you're telling me you have no evidence, no facts, just finger pointing and name calling.

Thought so.

To
"theidiotwhokeepsaskingquestionsandwon'tbehappywithanyanswerthatisgivenanyway"

You've just proven that you EARNED this moniker. You will CHOOSE to believe whatever you want - regardless of the answer... or the truth.

I'm sorry... but you are simply WRONG. I can't make that any more clear. YOU... ARE... WRONG. PERIOD!

Call the CIF Office and ask ONE simple question and it will take you only a couple minutes - because you will get a simple answer,

Ask, "Are there ANY different CIF eligibility rules when transferring from public-to-public, public-to-private, private-to private, or private-to-public?" The answer will be a simple, "NO!"

If what you THINK is true - then the private-to-private transfer would be the easiest (and that seems to be the one that has a hair across your butt). So the CIF Blue book addresses this SPECIFICALLY with an FAQ on page 81...

QUESTION: Under what conditions may a student maintain his or her athletic eligibility
when the student transfers from one parochial or private school to another
(private or parochial school)?
ANSWER: A student, not a full-time resident in a 24-hour boarding school, who transfers
from a private or parochial school to another private or parochial school, will
be eligible in the second school, only when the family has established a new
valid residence change in another public attendance area different from the one
than that of the first school.

PERIOD!

Oh no blow hard Don back on the scene!

How exactly does Amat recruit?

I mean, do they assign people to go out and watch kiddieball games for signs of a budding superstar? Are these recruiters undercover, maybe dressed up as maintenance men or people working in the snack bar? What is the leverage these undercover Amat recruiters use to hook these little superstars up? Money? Power? Influence? Promises that Andy will get them a Pete Carroll autograph.

You out there who are so certain illegal shenanigans are going on need to fess up with the details, and I don't mean dragging some kid's name through the bs. Just tell me specifically how Amat, or any private for that matter, induces families to send their kid to the school in question.

Put up or shut up.

Ha - I found a spelling error by Joe Amat as he was trying to 'enlighten' yet another blogger -- JOey, YOU should have addressed that person as JONESY and not Joney... Just trying to help joey Amat police the spelling and run-on errors in here.

Whiteboy you sure got quiet! Call "Shibs" baby let's get it rocking! Can't wait to see your boy on the bump! I don't think Shibs will waste his big gun on D.R. like the other blogger said, third or fourth stringer, maybe Pak or Torres more of a even match. Go DDDDDDDDDDDBAR!

joe -- i tried to be nice BUT LISTEN IDIOT --
AMAT DOESN'T HAVE THE SAME ISSUES REGARDING RESIDENTIAL ELIGIBILITY!!!!!!!! OR TRANSFERS??? OR TO QUOTE YOUR FANCINESS 'INTRA-TRANSFERS' NOW DO THEY???? I KNOW SOME ARE IMPRESSED WITH YOUR BIG WORDS AND 3 PARAGRAPH ANSWERS - BUT YOU REALLY SQUIRM AND RAMBLE WHEN YOU CANNOT ADMIT DEFEAT.. (NOW I WILL BEGIN CHECKING FOR GRAMMATICALS ERRORS AS WELL, YOU PROBABLY DON'T HAVE MANY BUT...)
AMAT DOES NOT EVER HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT 'RECRUITING ISSUES' AND INTRA-TRANSFERS EVER BEING DONE. P E R I O D

First try posting a name so that I don't have to refer to you as
"theidiotwhokeepsaskingquestionsandwon'tbehappywithanyanswerthatisgivenanyway"

So, again EVERY student/athlete and school must adhere to the above - ****including the specific transfer you mentioned*** and submit - to the CIF Commissioners satisfaction, evidence to support a valid change of residence. Those documents(of which could be anything below), for transfer eligibility purposes, were submitted to the CIF office until eligibility is established. Anything less could have been determined as "Undue Influence" and seen as the school assisting the transfer with eligibility. For anyone that thinks that Amat doesn't make sure to cross the T's and dot the I's, please cite for me an instance when Amat was found to play an ineligible player... as opposed to the several that are reported yearly throughout CIF, and a couple in our own valley over the past couple of years.

Thank you TMZ for re-emphasizing that AMAT GETS TO RECRUIT, our buddy Joe Amat will disagree and cry you a river about how even the playing field is now. But for the record TMZ, isn't the adminstration taking an awful BIG chance on not following up on transfers - SURE it can happen but man that is risky and not sure they want that reputation. A coach has to put a lot of faith in their administation to do their part.

Joney,

here's the link below. Read it yourself. All true. If you don't want to know - don't read.
http://cifss.org/pdfs/bluebook.pdf
No beefs at all... just facts. Someone asked. I answered... simply. They didn't like that - so they asked again... and again. Time to be specific. I hope that's enough for them.

Of course most don't read... and then *choose* to believe whatever they wish anyway. Kinda like you.

Joe Amat, OOPS getting snippy again, easy does it tiger, now we break out the OFFICIAL rules. I repeat what TRANSFER HOOPS repeat HOOPS DID --- FOX --- have to go through? And spare me the legal jargon - just make it simple for us simpletons.
Thank you to the poster below, yes JONESY - we ask JA all the time - who reads that crap??

Will you girls PLEASE stop bickering! really now!

JOE, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT BEEF YOU HAVE GOING WITH SOMEONE ELSE RIGHT NOW BUT WHO IN THE HECK DO YOU THINK READS ALL YOUR GARBAGE? EVEN IF ANYONE CARED ENOUGH HOW DO WE KNOW IF ALL YOUR BS IS EVEN VALID? TRUST ME I SAW YOUR RESPONSE AND LIKE ALL YOUR BS, I BROWSE THROUGH TO THE BOTTOM AND DO NOT EVEN READ. DUDE GET A LIFE.

Pat,

It is easy to get a permit espacially when your school doesn't check up on it. Also, who cares about Amat. They are ALLOWED TO RECRUIT. Private schools Jackass. I am fully aware of South Hills, but now you guys are no better than them. I didn't say a word about those kids that went to Las Palmas. I am talking about the catcher for IE. Must be nice. Best public school recruiters (and Gano :)

funny guy,

I'm glad you asked a specific, coherent question. Not "rattled" at all just frustrated with your lack of communication skills and comprehension, when it has been said *multiple times* "rules, restrictions and requirements" that you speak of that are set down by CIF apply to EVERYBODY..." public AND private!

Now read that again... S L O W L Y !!! Or have someone read it to you.
Did you get that?THE SAME CIF RULES!!! Public AND private!!! Not the "PUBLIC school Rule Book" or the "Private School Rule Book" The CIF Rule Book"

Here are the specifics from that CIF rule book - that applies to ALL schools... public AND private (have I made that clear yet?)

206. RESIDENTIAL ELIGIBILITY
A. Initial Residential Eligibility
A student has residential eligibility upon initial enrollment in:
(1) The 9th grade of any CIF high school, a CIF junior high school, or a junior high school.

Note the word ***ANY***. Not public or private... ANY. But you don't want to talk about 9th graders, so lets talk about TRANSFERS and "Continuing Residential Eligibility " ALL transfers (public AND private) MUST prove to the CIF their residence in the exact same manner.

Sections may require paperwork for the following provisions:
(2) A student changes schools with a valid change of residence by the student’s parent(s)/guardian(s)/caregiver
provided there is a valid change of residence.
b. Valid Change of Residence
Determination of what constitutes a valid change of residence depends upon the facts in each
case, however, to be considered, the following facts must exist:
(i) The original residence must be abandoned as a residence by the immediate family; AND
(ii) The student’s entire immediate family must make the change and take with them the household goods and furniture appropriate to the circumstances. For eligibility purposes, a family unit may not maintain two or more residences; AND
<>(iii) The change of residence must be genuine, without fraud or deceit, and with permanent intent; AND
NOTE: A student whose family makes a valid move into a new school boundary is immediately residentially eligible for varsity competition. A subsequent move into a different school boundary by the family (or other family members) during the next twelve (12) calendar months will result in the student being declared ineligible until cleared for competition by the Section Commissioner.
(iv) Evidence must be submitted that a valid change of residence has occurred.

Evidence may include:
· Operative telephone and utility service at the student’s new residence and termi-
nated at the former residence;
· Utility service receipts;
· Proof of paying for utilities at the new residence including phone, gas, electric-
ity, water, cable television, and garbage collection;
· Proof of submitting a change of address to the U.S. Postal Service to receive
mail at the new residence;
<>· Proof of transfer of the parent(s)/guardian(s)/caregiver and age-appropriate
student’s motor vehicle registration;
<>· Proof of changed address on the parent(s)/guardian(s)/caregiver and age-ap-
propriate student driver’s license;
· Voter registration listing the new address;
· Real estate documents indicating and verifying a change of residence (sale and
purchase, for instance);
· Proof of entering a long-term lease;
· Court documents indicating a change of residence;
· Property tax receipts;
· Rent payment receipts;
<>· Declaration of residency executed by the student’s parent(s)/guardian(s)/
caregiver;
· Other documentation that a Section or school district may require that estab
lishes that a person is living at the new address.
<>· Bank account statements;
<>· Credit card statements;

<>207. TRANSFER ELIGIBILITY
A student who participates in an interscholastic athletic contest or attends a school shall be considered “enrolled” in that school and shall be classified as a transfer student if the student subsequently enrolls at another school.
A. A student may have transfer eligibility provided the student moves from any school to a CIF school due to:

1) A valid change of residence (See also Bylaw 206.B.) from one school attendance area to the attendance area of the new school by the parent(s)/guardian(s)/caregiver and sibling(s)* with whom the student was living when the student established residential eligibility (Bylaw 206.A.) at the prior school;

<>(1) A valid change of residence (See also Bylaw 206.B.) from one school attendance area to the attendance area of the new school by the parent(s)/guardian(s)/caregiver and sibling(s)* with whom the student was living
when the student established residential eligibility
(3) A family decision to transfer the student prior to the first day of the student’s third consecutive semester
(typically the first semester of the sophomore year) of attendance since the initial enrollment

So YES, we've had to collect ( or have the family submit to the CIF) all those same utility bills, rent/lease reciepts, court orders, etc

Now I don't want to go over Hardship Waivers that may waive the limited eligibility of a student pursuant to Bylaw 208 - Transfer Hardship.... unless you need me to.

THOSE are the CIF rules that ALL schools must play by (public AND private... have I mentioned THAT?)
So EVERY student/athlete and school must adhere to the above - including the specific transfer you mentioned. That one must be stuck in your craw a bit, huh. I'll pull out a great "amat-hater-ism".... that was 7 years ago.... *Quit living in the past!". I'll repeat the "NOTE" from above:
"NOTE: A student whose family makes a valid move into a new school boundary is immediately residentially eligible for varsity competition." Public OR Private.

Now was THAT specific enough for you?!?!?

joe amat - I love when you are getting rattled, you tend to get a little uppity and judgemental. Please forgive me O Great One, for my careless typos (I always find it amusing how often you mention that once rattled) but back to the avoided subject - I will keep it simple for you. (should i include all the cute puncuation marks that you do, for emphasis? That really is cute when you do that !:)!?
Ok, take a player, hypothetically speaking, JORDAN FOX Please tell me what city he lives in? (it can be a pretend city to protect the innocent)
Now - unless ironically he lives in La Puente, please prove to me how it is a burden for Amat to 'jump through hoops' to get proven WHERE he lives, HOW many people live there? Mother and Fater, siblings?? Proven utility bills??
NOW again, this is JUST about proving your kid is going to the school where he resides -- nothing else about Amat's rules and requirements, or financial obligations.
Remember - only discussing why public schools have it much harder regarding residency and appropriate school-going. I know not gramatically correct - but I think you get the message.

No,no! You're killing me!
What I wrote was "When it comes to transfers, those hoops exist for ALL families attempting to prove residence... public or private! "

Those "rules, restrictions and requirements" that you speak of that are set down by CIF apply to EVERYBODY... whether you want to believe it or not. Not to mention the ""rules, restrictions and requirements"" that are unique to private schools.

I'm not intentionally skipping any point or trying to defend ANY particular subject. Maybe if you try rewriting your question in a *specific* manner, while being at least half-literate and making some sense and I may answer it. But the following from your post does NOT meet that criteria.

"... AMAT DOE NOT FACE THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS DO WITH TRANSFERS AND THAT WHOLE WORLD..."

Once again joe amamt skips the point driven, but I figured he would. YES Amat students deal with a whole set of rules, restrictions and requirements that far exceed those at a public school BUT THE POINT WAS -- AMAT DOE NOT FACE THE SAME PROBLEMS THAT PUBLIC SCHOOLS DO WITH TRANSFERS AND THAT WHOLE WORLD. Nice try JA -- but you are defending a whole other subject.

Chino Valley Coach? must be Mike right? if so haven't seen you for a while.I agree very exciting for the boys. How about Collier, pretty awesome huh? I have watched both of these boys play within the last six months (Scout ball) I'm coaching w/the Braves now, I'm impressed with Brock's arm action! Blyleven has done an amazing job with Urban. I will be there at the Ayala, Diamond Bar game. Let's get a drink after the game and catch up.

Should be a great pitching dual with Urban & Brock. I have coached both of them this should be fun to watch. Urban has been throwing 89-90 on a regular basis has hit 92 several times.Good luck to both boys I enjoy watching my former players excel.

sgvobserver here is what I have seen or heard on these guys. I can say for sure on Covey, Pedroza, Paez, Brock, Zuniga, Brock as they are in our program. I know Gio Mier have gunned up 91 on the mound. The others is what I have heard from scout or colleges. Any other upcoming pitchers out there?

Dylan Covey Maranatha/USD '10 91-94 top 97
Eddie Pedroza Northview '10 82-84 top 87
Adam Plutko Glendora/UCLA '10 85-88 top 91
Paul Paez Bishop Amat/USD '10 85-88 top 90
Brady Zuniga/Bishop Amat/UNLV '09 85-88 top 90
Evan Brock Ayala/UCI '09 88-91 top 93
Kevin Ponzo San Dimas/Utah '09 84-87 top 90
Bryce Rutherford Acardia 84-86 top 89

Unfortunately, yes they do. I've been around both, public and private, in numerous capacities and know a large number of coaches in each. Quite, honestly it is MUCH easier to get a player to come to your public school than it is your private school. For a number of reasons. There are FAR more hurdles in the private school situation. I'm sorry you don't understand that - and I won't assume that you can.

sgvobserver.....I'm just curious, how hard do these guys throw?

Let start with the top pitchers in the area who could move on the collegiate level. Please feel free to add:

Dylan Covey Maranatha/USD '10
Eddie Pedroza Northview '10
Adam Plutko Glendora/UCLA '10
Paul Paez Bishop Amat/USD '10
Brady Zuniga/Bishop Amat/UNLV '09
Evan Brock Ayala/UCI '09
Kevin Ponzo San Dimas/Utah '09

Bryce Rutherford Acardia

joe amat - again YOU refuse to admit the obvious - Amat does not have nearly the 'issues' that the public schools do. I have said it before, YES while in your 8th grade year, the family has ONE huge decision to make and it has to be that year to decide what school fits their kids criteria. Still that is NEVER an easy decision UNLESS there is illegal coercing or a friend of a friend type thing.. So please, throw us a bone - ADMIT PRIVATE SCHOOLS DO NOT BEAR THE BURDEN OF WORRYING ABOUT TRANSFERS OR RECRUITING ISSUES -- NOW DO THEY? Granted, they have other limitations but it is not the same as public schools.

kidding,

I'm all TOO aware of ALL the hoops CIF has made families jump through. When it comes to transfers, those hoops exist for ALL families attempting to prove residence... public or private!

Incoming 9th graders also have a choice to attend any open enrollment school that will take them and CIF doesn't concern themselves with that. Many schools JUMP at inter district transfers because one more student just means they get the ADA money for that student. So getting another student from another district is a good thing.

The one that IS difficult in many districts is the *intra*district transfer - between schools in the same district - ala Covina and South Hills, Northview and Covina. For years (and I's guess it's still the same) the district made it tough to leave the NV area and enroll at SH -- because so many wanted to do that. But the reverse was a piece of cake.

The bottom line is they make you jump through hoops, but if you jump through the right one , they can't say no.

Diamond Bar's #1 guy oh heck what about Diamond Bar's third or fourth stringer say, Pak against your #1 guy Derek. Let's do it!

D-4 pitching and D-2 pitching night & Day, I watched your main guy last year pitch (don't want to name name's) he would have been 4th or 5th pitcher at D.B.!Besides Licon who else is talking to D-1 schools...hahaha....really now. What Div.1 schools did your big pichers get a scholarship to last year? or any offer for that matter.You know being in the big Div.4 playoffs and all.

Whiteboy = Wayne Goodwin...Didn't know Derek even pitch's I said, LEGIT not a catcher who throws on the mound BIG, BIG difference! Talking all that smack and you name your son...lol...lol..Even in a Div. 4 your going to need more than one THROWER to get to Dodger Stadium.I will put Diamond Bar's #1 guy against Diamond Ranch's #1 guy your son any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

So, DR lost another "huge game" at Dodger stadium huh? That makes them what ohhhhhhhhh for 2 now? In 14 years years of existence? Wow, I'm impressed. Div 4 playoffs are night and day compare to Div 1 or 2, where the big schools play. Win a title, in a mans sport, before you come on here talking about how b*tchen you are. Finish! Don't go bragging about 2nd place. Seal the deal. Or, is that a problem for the DR clan? Seems to be.

joe amat - you never seem to get it, AMAT never has to get "transfers or permits"..and regardless of what the ignorant think, those permits are not handed out freely - do YOU have any clue the amount of work, legal work that is, to optain a permit?? NO I do not think you do because AMT NEVER HAS TO WORRY ABOUT THAT STUFF - SO QUIT WHINING THAT IS ALL AN EVEN PLAYING FIELD. You have no clue the work involved to get my kid to not play. I had to seek an attorney and prove we were LEGALLY seperated and prove my kid was with me 50% of the time. DO AMAT KIDS AND PARENTS HAVE TO ENDURE THINGS OF THAT NATURE? IT is not even close to the same thing.

Goodwin! Legit pitcher...diamond bar pitching? how about offense? we got guys talking to colleges one already signed to d-1. call "GONZO" too bad he's not even there anymore..hahahahahahah. Weren't the DR boys finalists at Dodger Stadium? where was DB? watching the game. Northview is #1 in SGV and DR lost by 1 run on a pick off play mistake. NOUGH SAID.

90 plus....Yes! let's wait for the season to start you will all be surprised. I have seen this kid a few times this Summer & Winter throwing 90 plus with a wicked curve! His playing a lot of O.C. ball, not sure what high school he attends, I have heard Ayala, D.b., or Chino Hills., he's paperwork at the Area Code Tryouts said he lived in Chino Hills. Tall 6'3ish strong arm.

Now that Pill, Andrade, and Drossel are gone, who are the truly hard throwers in the SGV? Anybody throwing 90+?

Joe,
He said it would be nice for northview to play with their own players in their area and should be checked for recruiting. That's bs stuff to insinuate. I was just telling him where all those kids went to feeder school, which is to show his inaccuracies, but as you and I know, doesn't really matter in this day and age, as long as you are legal by cif standards.

Pat,

I don't think "Facts" was crying, he was merely answering someone else whining about "recruiting". Not to speak for him(or her) but his point is the same as those you make,

"...A permit is legal for all southern section kids and schools to use...."
and that schools like Charter Oak, South Hills, and San Dimas (and now Northview) among others all have had very good players from outside of their schools attendance areas.

So, I think, what "Facts" is saying (as I have all along,,, as has Don) is that we all have to play by the same rules and no one should "whine" about players choosing to come to your school (legally) from outside of your area..

Facts,
You speak of Northview and the Las Palmas (feeder school) connection or lack of in your post.
3B- Arnold- Las Palmas
SS- Pedroza- Las Palmas
2B= Fraijo- Las Palmas
1b- Juarez- Las Palmas
LF- Jaramillo- Las Palmas
CF- Jones- Las Palmas
#1 Pichter- Elias- Las Palmas.
That's 7 of 9 cif championship game starters from the nearby feeder school. Facts? Want more? Every kid there not from Las Palmas is ok'd on permit. Yes, a permit. A permit is legal for all southern section kids and schools to use. It's what Chuckie Tiffany used to go to Charter Oak rather than Northview and numerous South Hills kids have used to not go to Northview in years past. Now some kids want to go over there and you going to cry. How many Amat kids live in La Puente? You think all San Dimas kids live in San Dimas? If the kids are legally there with the school, which you wouldn't know, should keep your mouth closed. Should change your name to TMZ or Enquirer.

What PITCHER'S does Diamond Ranch have? not throwers legit pitchers? Pitching is TOTALLY different from your league vs Sierra League get real buddy.Have your Coach call "Gonzo" I'm sure he would set it up.

I would love to see Diamond Bar play D.R. love it! Scared? of what?

DB is scared to play DR.What makes you think they are so good Db fan.Get the balls and tell your coach to schedule a game against the DR Boys!

Don your a baseball wizard....Whitehouse?

Don your a piece of work.

d-appreciate any alliteration! and did I sense sarcasm when speaking of the Vikings?

Doesn't make sense,

Well, how about this: Dehner, Dean, Doyle, Roddy, Nick, Behr, Buffington, Ibarra, Shirley, and Adrin at South Hills . . . or this
. . . Calderaro, Henley, Ypez, Mier, Mulick, Highley, Tuttle, Plowman, Gelalich, Hare, and Paradez at Bonita.

I could probably whip you out a Northview, Amat, or Charter Oak too, but then my hair would probably catch on fire.

If you have nothing to do with Damien than why is Damien the ONLY school you named players from? This is for "D" or Don.

Don't go crazy, “d” is me. Mis-stroke on a too small keypad, my bad.

Wouldn't want anyone else taking flak for my hack.

Your Friend,

Don

Ahhh, more inquiring minds . . .

Posted by: Been there Done That. | January 2, 2009 1:35 AM

1. What the hell is happening over at Ayala,
Metrorail started an express line between Chino Hills and La Puente, (ask Tom, he'll tell you)

2. Why is SMITTY still a Varsity Baseball Coach.
Judi likes to sit with his wife at games

3.. . . Amat should win yearly until they move up to D1 or a Private school division
Yep, and I think that's what the Lancers aiming for too

4.Northview . . . How long before they or SH get into trouble for recruiting?
Take a moment and read my little missive below on “R E C R U I T I N G”

5.How long before The new Covina realized they made a mistake?
Which mistake are you talking about?

6.Will Gladstone ever be what it used to be.
Don't hold your breath waiting for anyone, or anything to be what it used to.

7.Will Bonita and San Dimas ever live up to the expectations.
You mean from the brawl at the Volleyball game last year? I'm waiting for that rematch too.

8.How many more years before most of the SGV cities or schools start to change and loose talent.
How convenient, you answered your own question: “I see it happening already compared to say 10 to 15 years ago.”

9.When is CIF gonna catch on to all the illegal recruiting going on at High schools
Refer to Question #4

10. . . . will the SGV TRIBUNE finally give Baseball its proper coverage .
The way the newspaper business has tanked in the last five years, we ought to feel fortunate to get coverage of Prep sports at all.

Call me crazy but is "D" and Don the same blogger?

“Thank you Don for all your wisdom, us dummy bloggers can't figure it out cuz we's only send ours kidz to publik schoolz.
Posted by: What????? | January 2, 2009 9:44 AM “

No problem, but don't blame your kid's education for your inability to use the spellcheck feature.

Hey DB Guy's,

You either have adjoining cells or you're the same guy trying to make a louder DB voice

Your team tied for last in the Sierra last year

You graduated two thirds of your squad, (I presume they graduated, they were Seniors)

I don't have anything to do with Damien, bad inference: you

Best of luck with the season.

Thank you Don for all your wisdom, us dummy bloggers can't figure it out cuz we's only send ours kidz to publik schoolz.

Don, it's better to have people think your an idiot then to open your mouth and prove it! Your one of those BIG mouth Damien parents, that act a fool at the baseball games huh? See you at the games:) Go purple socks!

Hey Don BTW, Diamond Bar still BEAT Damien two out of the three times played in league! Nice try, trying to change the subject! 10 STUDS on a 9 man field...lol...lol....Sober yet? Just the facts!

Oh yeah, BTW, dbar, Baseball spectator, and Dealt.

Good to see you guys all got out of the tank about the same time.

Next year avoid that DUI checkpoint on Diamond Bar Blvd.

It might be worthwhile here to interject a point about what R E C R U I T I N G actually is.

If someone who is a representative of school tries to in some way persuade or induce a family or player to attend that school it is recruiting.

It's not recruiting when the family seeks to send a kid to a school other than their area school assigned by their local district.

Most Districts now allow “open enrollment” to children who want to attend a specific school; most Districts also allow kids from other Districts to enroll at their schools. Some Districts make the process and practice for “out of District” and “in District” transfers very easy, others make it very difficult. None of this is recruiting because the school, the Principal, the AD, the Coach, the whoever DID NOT ENTICE the player to transfer.

Parents move their kids all the time from one campus to another for dozens of reasons. Sometimes, it's to play a sport at a school that has a history of doing well, like, say Charter Oak, or South Hills, or Northview. They are hoping someday to be able to point at their little star in the Trib and tell the family and friends about his great success on the gridiron or diamond. THIS IS NOT RECRUITING, it's TRANSFERRING.

LANCERS RUN
oh nevermind i remember, i forgot mistone, fox, zuniga etc played on the jv team? o wait.

your hella ignorant for saying that

Since we are talking baseball already, can someone answer a few questions and give there comments. I have been around this valley for ever and have seen it all when it comes to baseball. Just saying this before some of the young yahoo's that just like to post and pop off thinking they know everything start chiming in.

Questions for 2009 are as follows. Maybe my last question should be the #1 question.

1. What the hell is happening over at Ayala, does anyone know. That school used to have monsters. I hear rumblings but does anyone really know.

2. Why is SMITTY still a Varsity Baseball Coach, Smitty at SH is the most overrated coach in this valley, and SH should get rid of him, why the talent still transfers into SH and not out. There is 0 excuse for them not winning. He is the main reason of there failure. And I cannot see how Judy has kept him there for so long. He wasnt even suppose to get that job in the first place anyway! Why?

3. Yes Amat recruits like a mother. They should be in there own division w private schools, why do some here think they are the greatest thing since slices bread. Amat should win yearly until they move up to D1 or a Private school division, Why cant CIF see that its wrong to beat up on some teams in CIF in early rounds. anyone?

4. Northview is putting it together the last few years, but as the other poster mentioned they to are a team that recruits like crazy, most of there kids are not even NV kids. Amdrade last year, the catcher and many other players etc. How long before they or SH get into trouble for recruiting?

5. How long before The new Covina realized they made a mistake?

6. Will Gladstone ever be what it used to be. That team could play w anyone on any given day in years past. Demographics have hit that school hard.

7. Will Bonita and San Dimas ever live up to the expectations. They have talent up the cazoo but never live up to the hype IMO.

8. San Marino especially and Arcadia for that matter are slowly are falling prey to the Demographics. The question is? How many more years before most of the SGV cities or schools start to change and loose talent. I see it happening already compared to say 10 to 15 years ago.

9. When is CIF gonna catch on to all the illegal recruiting going on at High schools and especially for baseball as it takes place in the 2nd semester or start of the 3rd Trimester. its a shame?

10. Last but not least, will the SGV TRIBUNE finally give Baseball its proper coverage in the preseason and cover all tourneys etc. not just 4-5 schools. Back in the past every league recieved there own page for a yearly review etc. on consecutive days, Now they post the whole valley on a page or so in one day. And they just do a average job at best IMO compared to years past. Spoon, Ramirez you know what Im talking about.

The only difference between Amat and Northview is that it is legal for Amat to recruit and Not for Northview. THe catcher at Northview should be at Etiwanda as well as many other players. It would be nice to see Murphy actually coach kids who live in the Northview area but the principal will never police him up.

Lets give it up for the coaches who actually follow the rules and coach the kids that go to their feeder schools. Sorry Northview, most of the kids on this year's team and past teams did not go to Las Palmas.

Doesn't everyone know that Amat and Northview are in same CIF division this year.

I have to laugh at some of the comment. Some many of the players mentioned from these schools play together in the Summer and Fall. They are actually friends. Then people come on here and write how there is bitterness between all of these team.

As far games going on write now. Most of the local HS's have playing this Fall/Winter. With the association rule gone things picked up a bit more.

Diamond Bar plays in the Loara tournament in O.C.

matthew t. what was the score after 3 inning...exactly.

the lancers fear the spartans. they have better players and the only difference is teh coaching. damine has routinely challenged amat to play in damien's tournament and nieto never responds. could it be our superior fan base and major lrague level facilities. most amat parents, read amat transfers or mercenarries, would take damien in an instant if they ever saw our uniform. we will not mak ethe mistake we made last year when we played our jv starters in the first game and then played our varsity starters for the second

sdeal with the truth. lancers run from spartans

D.B. beat Damien twice in league! Go DBAR!

not really a split if you only play 3 innings and have reserves play in the 2nd game...

"our top teams can compete with any in the southland? what teams other than Amat play the top teams from Long Beach or the OC or the City section, other than Amat, what teams play in the BIG tournaments? fred you're so far from reality? take a Midol

lol...Yes Diamond Bar BEAT Damien two out of the three times last year in league. Go purple socks! and I like the way "D" names 10 studs from Damien come on big guy head out of the clouds.

Keep writing Diamond Bar off BIG MISTAKE! They have the two best returning pitchers in the Sierra League.

Hey "D" I'm laughing at you buddy! iT'S CLEAR your not fimiliar with Diamond Bar's team....Didn't we beat you two out of the three times we played you? I believe the same pitcher pitched both times right? Our PURPLE sock's worked for us yea? See ya on the diamond.

split if I remember-huh?

awww frick joe damien beat bishop amat lasy year huh?

really joe amat - you are going to bring up the dead grass again in right field at nv, considering the hood rat neighborhood of your beloved amat - really you are going to go there? what a phony s.o.b.

Rico-it's Glendora's Tournament. the host team makes the bracket. Is that hard to figure?

It's always so funny to hear these things go back and forth.

The funny part is that the bashers always seem to use some argument that is mostly biased of some level of emotional reasoning. For example, “Amat Sucks,” or “Amat is getting a break from the CIF,” or whatever,

However, when someone comes back at them with some hard cold facts, they often chose to turn a blind eye, or at the very least, they come back at you with something even more ridiculous.

The facts are, that over the last couple of years, Amat has been very successful against quality completion in baseball, even including Northview.

Sure, Northview won the game last year, but if memory serves me correctly, that was once in what, three years of so? Good for them. They deserved the win.

Having said that, the reality is that Northview, as well as other local teams are in fact, very very good.

So, "IF" Amat happens to win this CIF division this year, can the bashers really come in here and hammer Amat for winning this particular title, without implying that all the local teams in that division (including Northview) “Suck” as well ?

And, just for shizt and giggles, let’s just say that Northview, or some other local team wins that division this year. Will the bashers come in here and say the exact opposite thing?

Will they come in here and say that their team was the greatest team sense the 27 Yankees because they won a division which included Amat , and that they (finally) played in a good tournament and won a few games along the way against some good teams ?

You can’t have it both ways folks. If you bash Amat for winning it this year, you have to do the same for all the others, in this same division as well.

Didn't "start" anything. If you scroll to the bottom , the sleeper was the one who went off. Answerd his, and others, comments. And find ONE place where I typed the word "Northview" or "called them out. You don't have a guilty conscience... do you?

The Vikings beat the Lancers on the field in the first tournament of the year - props to them - have said nothing but since that day. Maybe they'll get the opportunity again.

Oh yeah, Baseball.

Bishop Amat - Another amazing assembly and after assiduous analysis an assertion of ascendancy at Amat all assured

Bonita – C'mon, didn't I already tell you these guys weren't gonna be any good? Probably cancel the whole season.

Charter Oak – Another rebuilding year, yeah right, that means another title for Quinner

Damien – Garcia, Amrhein, Whitehouse, Montalvo, Ortega, Ortega, Lewis, and Lamascus, Estrada, and my boy James.

Diamond Bar – Local youth ball organizations keep pumping out talent, they keep going elsewhere. Could it be the purple socks?

Diamond Ranch – As long as area jocks flock to this garden spot on the hill, the Panthers will be in the hunt.

Glendora – Loaded for bear and with more pitching than they get credit for.

Nogales – Hey, have you guys ever considered a tutor?

Northview – Terrific Coach, best fans, great field, splendid snack bar. The bus driver could take these kids and win a CIF title, bar none, the greatest ongoing assembly of High School Baseball talent ever known to man; area coaches shudder at the mere mention of the Vikes. The Hollenbeck honed skills of this remarkable group is matched only by the quiet dignity of their fans ... hey, isn't that Kim Sheehan coaching first?

San Dimas – Geez, I wish someone would give the Ponzo kid's arm a break

South Hills – New third Baseman / #2 Pitcher means another title for Smitty. Hope he gets that “number” thing straightened out before he annoys the old guard any further.

Wilson – Did I mention all of the boys played on travel ball teams? Yep, it's true.

Bishop Amat should open up as the Tribune's number one for the following reasons:
1. Back to Back CIF Champs
2. Best pitching coach in the Valley
3. Best pitching in the Valley
4. Toughest schedule in the Valley
5. Super Phenom Rio Ruiz

Are you really that ignorant? Henley put the teams in opposite brackets in hopes that they meet for the title again. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

Say it aint so Joe,
You back and talking your smack again about Northview, but at end of last year, you were acting all noble and "Hats off to Northview" blah blah blah, your support was fake. What prompted you to call us out already? Maybe, the fact that you not playing us in Glendora Tournament? Also, FYI...Northview is in the National Classic this spring and we did ACCEPT the invite. Little odd Northview and Amat not playing Glendora Opening Night isn't it? Hmm, why is that?

Northview starts the season #1. Amat #2. Bonita #3. For starters, let's eliminate the Bonita theory of being #1. Northview has beaten them 3 times in a row during last two seasons and another two times this fall. Making it 5 times in a row at least. Northview beat Amat last year and won a tougher cif division. For those of you wondering about Northview...they going to be just fine my friends. Playing in the best so cal summer tournament in orange county, they beat Div. 3 Champion El Toro at El Toro and they defeated the #2 team in the nation last year Bishop Gormon of Las Vegas. They beat that team again (Gorman with all players) again in another tournament in November. Lost to Mater Dei 2-1 in the 7th inning of a summer game. This team is loaded and ready to roll. I give credit to Amat for a tough schedule, but your hands are tied with scheduling out of league opponents and your opportunities are limited if you have big league. Northview travels and plays unbelievable summer and fall schedule. Position to position is where you will find your best teams top to bottom, along with pitching.

So Joe - you are saying the poor football team shouldn't be in D1 then?? You flip-flop all the time depending on who (or which sport)you feel the need to defend. you give pointless stats about who is ranked higher than who YET you always play the safe route and claim "anyone" can beat anyone on any given day -- WELL NO SH**... Amat, yes 'poor "little-big" amat' has endless advantages over most public schools and we all know if there is a FINANCIAL situation somehow that superstar athlete will be taken care of - case in point, ERIC BIENEMY, (and many others) SO really most of us don't buy your POOR LITTLE BIG AMAT, we are all equal now -- BS... Amat should be in a higher division PERIOD and you know it. and YES I know it isn't the kids fault, no one says it is - just hard to defend a d5 championship. And it is that D5 championship that got Amat invited to the National tournament right?????? Amat did NOT pick to play those teams - right?

Don,

Nice!

Happy New Year

The Raiders might struggle in the Pac 10.

That would be the equivalent of Damien threatening to sue so they can STAY in the Sierra league instead of joining the private schools where they belong. Ask yourself... why?

Danny Haren- All Star Game starting pitcher
Mike Young- All Star MVP

That's how we roll!

This argument always confuses me, sorry. Are there those out in blogland that really think Bishop Amat wants to be in the D5 Del Rey? If they were happy with D5 level of play, they wouldn't spend their non-league games playing Chatsworth, Northview, Charter Oak, Glendora, and Damien; not to mention the teams they face in the National Classic

You can always tell when a team is happy playing down because they book a lot of non-league games against teams like Ganesha, Claremont, West Covina, Compton, Moreno Valley, Walnut, Rowland, Don Lugo, Montclair, and Arroyo.

You know, like teams from the Sierra League did last year.

But then, that kind of competition proves what?

Oh yeah.....lol :-)

Hear the Raiders are trying to petition to get into the PAC 10. Any thoughts Joe ?

Amat couldn't win the Sierra League.

They would fold under the pressure.

What happened last year?

Chino Hills , Glendora, Damien, Chino, Ayala and Diamond Bar are far superior in major league players, and Major League Draft picks. That's just how we roll in the Sierra League!

you're not sleeping!!!

Amat's opponent in the D5 finals was ranked higher than the runner-up in the D4 final. The team they beat in the semis knocked off the #24 team in the state. Each team in their "D5 league" were ranked higher than the corresponding place in the local league sporting the D4 champ.

Amat is a private school of about 1400 a little over 600 boys. The second smallest "big" school in the SGV (besides San Dimas - and it's close) The truth is the school is about a D3 or D4 school.

While other schools, with even greater resources, threaten to sue to stay in lower divisions, Amat fights to stay at the highest level. And when CIF places us elsewhere, most sports make up for it with the rest of our schedule.

So what you really should be doing is applauding the school for the ability able to play UP to the extent that we do, in the sports that we can... and are darn proud of it.... wouldn't have it any other way - by choice.

isn't that ironic...the first amat kool aid drinker is a guy that goes by a screen name that includes the word...."reality"...that's hilarious!!!

okay let's review.

amat football division 1

same athletes
same recruiting power
same history
same resources
same division 1 signees
same funding
same high level coaching
same nice uniforms
same rabid fans
same everything

but now you play against division 5 athletes in baseball ???????

sorry but you could play the Yankees, the Dodgers, the Angels and the Red Sox in preseason and it wouldn't mean squat after you steal a Championship from kids that deserved it who play the same divion across the board in all other major sports.

sorry love the school but hate the unfairness of this CIF imposed "favor"

same goes for oaks christian

you're an idiot. stay asleep. maybe the long one.

Amat had a brutal schedule. One of the most difficult in all the history of modren high school baseball. Yet they were able somehow to struggle through and fulfill their destiny and set for the greatest tradition of Bishop Amat Baseball. The Lancers were at their colective best when teh chips were down and at the most fierce when the fierceness was required...blah blah blah blah blah...cheap divison 5 Championship....yawwwwwwwwnnnnn. If Bishop amat had dominated equally in division 5 football what would the rationale be then? We played a tough preseason...better than anyone else!

What a freakin joke thios has become.

NORTHVIEW GETS IT DONE WITH LOCAL KIDS. CHARTER OAK DID IT THE YEAR BEFORE...AND BOTH WERE IN HIGHER DIVISION!!!!

WAKE ME UP WHEN THE 15TH AMAT KOOL AID DRINKER COMES ON.....YYYAAAWWWNNNNN !!!!

I cut and paste an ealier post. Fred can you verify that Amat is playing the following teams this season along with St. Paul at least 3 times. If so that is a brutal schedule.

Alta Loma
Diamond Ranch
Charter Oak
Chatsworth
Long Beach Wilson
Lakewood
Long Beach Millikan
Orange Lutheran
Santa Margarita
Servite
Cypress