Did I read this right?

jcaz,
The point trying to be made is the fact that the girls played a game which they had no business playing as you can see by the score. Playing football against the likes of WC,DR,CO,LA,SH, is nowhere in comparison as to that basketball game. Not even close. Now change that to ,again no knock on these schools but, LP,Bassett,Wilson,Workman ,and now your in the right ball park as to what would amount to embarrassment in beating on them. Besides, WC and DR who we played this year are very good teams and programs who both made it to the semi final round in their division so they have the potential to come up and beat us on any given Friday. Yes those games with the teams I first mentioned are great for the community but a game like the Firebaugh is a game that never should have been scheduled given the ranking of our program.

The firebaugh team lost 4 of its five starters to grade ineligibility the day before.

Fellas,

Look, I got the part about the league play. I was just using that as an example regarding blowouts that’s all.

However, if we take a look at the top ten teams in this ranking of local schools by Fred and company, we will note that Amat is not one of the top ten in the boys division.

The girls of course are a completely different story, and perhaps because of that success, it may very well be a bit more difficult for them to find, and play a more completive schedule against better teams all the time.

I don’t know all the facts here of course, but maybe one of them is the fact that playing against a better program may be more difficult in terms of scheduling, but, like I said, I don’t know all the facts there.

However, when we look at the boys basketball teams, that’s a completely different story.

One thing that we can all agree on, was that they have played and defeated local schools very handily. But, where we have a difference of opinion is in the fact that I for one, very much like the fact that they are playing local talent, regardless of the fact that they win their games very easily. And Ill tell you why.

We as the Amat faithful tend to forget that we are not speaking about Amat being a powerhouse in basketball. And as much as we love our teams, we have to recognize that we are not as talented, as say a Mater Dai, so let’s not get too far ahead of ourselves here when we speak in elevated terms about the quality of the boys program.

When folks come in here and say that its an embarrassment for us to play local schools, what they are actually saying is that, these other programs are not worthy of our attention. They do not deserve to be on the same filed of play as we are, simply because we are so good, that they don’t have a chance against us. Sigh…

Are we so arrogant to say that we should never play these local schools because our poop (you know what I meant here) doesn’t smell? Wow, what an arrogant statement that is.

I don’t know about you, but I for one enjoy the fact that Amat plays local programs in all sports including basketball. Its fun and it builds allot of local interest.

Local games such as these have great impact in the local community. They build great sports rivalries and they are great, as show cases for recruiting good local talent.

If you don’t believe me, then just take a good look at how well attended the West Covina football game was this year at Kiefer. I can’t remember seeing so many people at a football game in a quite a long time as I saw that night.

The atmosphere at that game was electric, and everyone really looked forward to seeing Amat play a local team even though everyone already knew that Amat was probably going to win big.

Fellas, if you take the position that you two just posed literally, then you can never have a game against a school like West Covina next year, because of the possible “embarrassment” it will cause to our football program once we win that game by 40 or more points.

Remember it’s not a league game next year, so we can’t use that excuse. In other words, ya just can’t sit her and make that argument and have it both ways you know.

Exactly!!!

Same coach... same embarrassing results

I recalled Bassett boys basketball beating Amat a few years ago. Now that's embarrassing!

Damien And West Covina are scheduling down? wow that is a new one for me, despite the problems at Damien, they still have talent every year, Basset or Ganesha is scheduling down, wayyyyyyyyy down for Amat. And that was what this game was to Amat, it was a Basset game.

And the same argument cannot be made about collegiate sports because they can recruit, players at CSUN are all good at basketball, but compared to UCLA they are not sure, but most are still there on scholarships which mean they were the best at their high school. It is like trying to compare apples and oranges, cannot do it.

Amat scheduled down in football this year by playing West Covina and Damien. All programs need an easy game to stay healthy. Playing ten tough games, almost playoff atmosphere, is suicide for a football team.

jcaz,
Again, we play ND because they are in our league. We play teams like OLu and Los Osos and in the past Concord and so forth to get ready for our league.As you saw this year we took care of Crespi .Maybe next year we take care of ND because we will be that much better prepared for them.As you know any one team in our league can knock each other off on any given Friday or Saturday as is the case with Loyola. As for baseball, Bishop M is in our league so we must play them. That is why we schedule teams tougher than the teams in our league when we fill the open spots in our schedule. Don't you remember all the heat we caught on our CIF baseball championship.Pink trophies and rings.Yes we are out of place in the division we are in but you play the cards you are dealt. By the way we have moved up in baseball and rightfully so maybe not high enough to satisfy all but we did move up. We are not talking college here we are talking high school , entirely different animal.As far as style points what did the slaughter of the Washington schools get USC ,nothing it only brought them down. Let me say this I love AMAT as much as any faithful but what transpired on the court was just plain wrong. Sometimes it is better to say no to some games because in the long run they will hurt you as was is the case with this game. Big bad AMAT beating a lowly team .Your statement on Crespi and ND being far superior even over AMAT and given that fact, we know if we do play them we will get slaughtered so should we continue to play them. Your damn right we will play them and other top teams because let me remind you WE ARE AMAT and that is how we do it. Geez how long have you followed AMAT because with thinking like that I am beginning to wonder if you're just a bandwagon follower or one of those new breed types. What happened on that court cannot compare to ND vs AMAT in football, what you saw on that court would amount to AMAT vs La Puente in football which never should happen . No knock on LP just an example.

jcaz,

Those that are new to the blog may view me as an Amat apologist... those that have been around a while understand that I'm a realist. When we screw up - I'll say so. I was the devil incarnate to some supporters of the previous football regime.

You continue to use examples of LEAGUE games (ND, Crespi, Montgomery, etc) Those games are MANDATED. That's like calling Charter Oaks schedule weak because the played 0-10 Wilson or 1-9 Los Altos. However do you think it was good for Charter Oaks development as a team to CHOOSE to play 0-10 Aliso Viejo or 2-8 Pioneer? Were they simply doing those schools a favor and allowing them to "play up" and test themselves "against the best" as you suggest? Ask most at CO and they'd say NO! They'd say that they are disappointed with their schedule too and it was the result of unfortunate cancellations in contracts.

Games should be scheduled to benefit BOTH teams. These matchups benefit no one! Scoreless for a half? 2 pts in 3 quarters! From a team that has been to THREE state championships and competed in D1 last year...

As for the Boys we are going from a team that was the last SGV team to win a major division championship and used to schedule games against the best. Recently they've played against Jordan Farmer from the Lakers and one of the best college players in the Country, Chase Budinger from Arizona. They played Jaque Vaughn from the Spurs when he was at Muir. They'd travel to San Diego to Santa Barabara or enter the Tournament of Champions and the Martin Luther King Dream Classic.

Now, under this coach, they schedule Rosemead, Bassett, and South El Monte? THAT is living up to a tradition. TAHT is setting high standards? THAT is puruing excellence?

Not in my book. Yours?

Ya, I knew that was coming 73, and perhaps I should have addressed that issue in my earlier post but, I chose to limit my comment then for the sake of keeping it simple.

True, Amat plays in a tough league, but it goes without saying that those two teams (Crespi and Notre Dame) are usually far superior to most of the teams that they play against, even including Amat.

Given that fact, should Amat continue to play them “if” they know that they will get “slaughtered” every time they step on the field against them?

Remember, the question being asked here is not about “who” it its that is in your league, because as you mentioned, you have no choose but to play those games, but weather or not games such as those described above, should even be scheduled or played when they are not in league.

You measure you’re team against the best, if you are the underdog. However it doesn’t mean that because you know that you are going to get soundly beaten, that you quit or that you still don’t try.

We see this sort of thing all the time in sports don’t we? Teams routinely schedule bigger opponents all the time.

You know, the fact, that you used the “league” reasoning is funny in a way, because we see the same inequity played out with other Amat athletic programs, yet no one seems to raise an eyebrow.

Last year, the Amat baseball team killed Bishop Montgomery, twice in the same year (same league here by the way) and that same Amat team creamed the lower class schools, in the division in which they played in, on their way to a division championship that perhaps they should not have been in. But now, everyone is crying because the girl’s and boys teams did the same thing?

Why then, are we picking on the basketball teams?

For what it worth, Bishop Montgomery might end up getting the last laugh here because from what I have read so far, they have a very good basketball team, and the shoe might end up on the other side when we play them later next year.

But I like I said earlier, we see this sort of stuff all the time in sports. For example, we will soon see UCLA play against a “fearsome” Cal State Northridge squad next week. That should be challenging for the Bruins right? But yet they both scheduled that game.

And recently, we have seen almost all of the top five BCS eligible football programs play games against schools that they should never have played against in order to get “Style” points and get to the coveted national championship game.

None of their fans seem to mind the fact that an undefeated regular season means that they get to play for all the marbles. But the only time it really matters to them is when that tactic backfires. Take Michigan against an "inferior" Applaintion State (sp) team last year.

One more thing while we are on the subject of bad scheduling. I don’t know how many people know this, but last years Notre Dame Game was so bad for Amat, that they played the game with a running clock. This year they beat us by about, what, 40 points or so? So, are we going to see it as an outrage when we play them again next season? I don’t think so. Why?

Because we are playing them to measure ourselves against the very best.

Just like what we saw in the basketball games. Same thing here folks

At least the scorekeeper(s) had a field day.

73,

Exactly. We can't have it both ways. As I've always said... it's about the games you CHOOSE to play. And you must choose wisely.

http://www.dailywav.com/0804/youmustchoose1.wav

jcaz,
Crespi and ND happen to be in our league hence we must play them. Now what would you say if we scheduled Bassett or La Puente or even Wilson for pre league next year. We would be catching all hell like CO does for their pre league schedule.Please re-read your own post then repost a comment. What is the possibility that we get our league realigned in order not to play Crespi and ND next year .HHHUUUMMMMM.

Unlike allot of you folks, I was at those games. And while it is true that the other teams were clearly out matched, they nevertheless came ready to play, and they didn’t give up nor did they stop trying.

As the other bloggers pointed out, the other teams also scheduled Amat and they did so quite possibly to measure themselves against a better team.

Does that sound familiar? I know I have heard that one before.

Amat used that line often when they were down. So please don’t lay the final score at the foot of the basketball programs, because if you do, then I will have to remind you of both, last years football scores against Crespi and last years (and this years) Notre Dame games.

A complete humiliation for Amat.

Were those games that should never have been scheduled because of the possible slaughter and embarrassment for the Amat football program ? Hum…

Well, they still played those games the last couple of years, right? In fact, I’ll bet you dollars to donuts that they are even going to play them again next year.

Same results (against Notre dame)? What do you think?

In other words gang, if you are saying that its embarrassing for an inferior team to play games against a superior opponent, then you cant pick and choose who the bad guys are here.

I have coached a few basketball games that were lopsided-maybe not as bad as this one-and have played 2nd and 3rd stringers the whole 3rd and 4th quarters only to have the lead get bigger. When you are coaching and half your team does not see much playing time most games, you still need to coach the backups-you cannot tell them to not try as that is unfair to them.

This clearly was a scheduling mistake and I hope all the backups played the majority of the game for Amat.

Joe amat,
Totally with you on this situation. What kind of thought process did they go thru when scheduling these games. You are 100% correct, we should be embarrassed . Maybe they should take the lead of the football program and start to schedule accordingly. Joe lower cases are for you. Sad day for the basketball program.

Im lost it is not Bishops fault, they both agreed to the game. Look at La Habra won 83-0 in a CIF playoff game and were chastized.
I agree it sucks and is embarrassing, but its a game and its high school not AYSO and NJB.

Absolutely disusting! Bishop Amat is nNOT a REBUILDING PROGRAM...that game should have NEVER been scheduled. With all the history and all those Championships it only takes a game like this to make it all seem seedy. ishop mat ...(MTC...refrence...you're better than that!) At some point only the 3rd stringers play the entire game it not the freshmen team.

Dark day for the Lady Lancers

You got be kidding, right??

Embarrassing.

And the programs promoted it as the only time we'll have a home doubleheader featuring the boys & girls.

Some showcase. Firebaugh and Bassett. Not a proud moment in amat hoops
(73-note the lower case!)