Charter Oak pushed, Amat said no thanks

I bet Coach Lou is going to schedule the mighty Sierra Vista or perhaps the new powerhouse in La Puente High! Oh wait...LP just got Gilmore... nevermind.

Of course, he will blame it all on the "it's too late to schedule anyone of value...or anyone within a half hours drive.."

CO will win their division next year...and absolutely no one will take notice. The LA times did not even mention their championship over Diamond Ranch.

Is anyone with a half a brain wondering why?

Pretty simple stuff no?

john, you hit the nail on the head with that one!

Gotta love Charter Oak, don't return phone calls all winter long and just as Amat signs with Dominguez they come out with the oh we want an AMAT game. Same old Glen Martinez AD crap.

Speaking of scheduling, one interesting game I heard about is Bonita vs. Santa Fe. Santa Fe is always ranked really high in CIF, but they play in a league that isn't the most competetive while Bonita is considered to be just a middle of the road kind of team.

To Good New's,
That is great new's about West Covina dropping Blair and picking up Venice, Year in and year out Venice is among the City Section elite teams, so Odd's are that Venice could be an extremely good team next season. Last season [In 08] they started slow but finished undefeated [5&0] in their league and went on to beat Carson in the first round of playoffs.
In 2007 Venice beat power house Oaks Christian 42 to 35 and was 10 & 2 on the season. They were 9&3 for the previous two seasons before that.
With West Covina expecting to field a strong team next year this could be a great game.

get outta here with that orange county crap! no one cares. and i remember Orange Lutheran getting tossed around and beat down like a bunch of little girls by Bishop Amat! so sorry go show someone that cares.

worst video ever

Bishop slapped Orange County Lutheran across the face. Cool vid!

HELL YEAH

LA PUENTE REPRESENTED

PUNK ASS ORANGE COUNTY BEATCHES

Please watch this my good people!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfDnpF9XhFQ

This is a calling to all the San Gabriel Valley...our home and pride!!!

hey fred west covina picked up a good game for week 2. they are not going to play blair again they picked up a game against a la city team venice. is this a good team. they will play at venice.

hey fred west covina picked up a good game for week 2. they are not going to play blair again they picked up a game against a la city team venice. is this a good team. they will play at venice.

sgvfootballfan, you sound like a real loser. The last time those bums tried to enter the arena, in Amat "down years", they got the s$%^ kicked out of them. And for any of you fools who think CO is anywhere near the likes of Dominguez, I'd suggest you get off the dope! Charter Oak is a bum program playin little boy ball. This is big boy ball over here and you know that! Fred, I'm gonna chalk you saying CO would be a tougher test Dominguez up to being in this Valley and not knowing much about football outside of it. But you make another comment like that, and you'll join the "Bum Squad" too!

"Is anyone listening"
Keep putting a twist on why Amat backed out on CO.I don't buy any of it. Bottom line!!!! its easier to except loosing to Dominguez than to loose to CO.
END OF STORY

Amat 73 is right! i understand that bishop already has 3 valley teams to play and that's already a lot! It would've been a great game to watch Charter Oak is going to field a great great team next year and Bishop Always has a team ready to play at Kiefer! I also think The Anderson kid is going to have a break through year that kid has some talent! Maybe 2010! i wonder who were going to play!? i hope its quartz hill i heard they have a good team.

Hey Freddy I know its a tad early, but have you heard anything regarding releaguing?

this thread gets more comical with every post.

I was hoping this game would happen but I understand why it did not. Maybe 2010?

Hi Fred,

I admire the way you worded your entry focusing on the fact that Dominguez went 2-8 last year. And because Dominguez had this record and CO had a championship season, it would seem like Bishop Amat "chickened out" this year. Your omission of Dominguez's true recent past has brought about 100s of hits! Very nice! =)

Please allow me to focus on some points about Compton Dominguez. Perhaps after people read this entry, they will gain an even better understanding. But before that,I want to say that JOE AMAT explained it in a very simple matter...all relating to Strength of Schedule. I encourage everyone to read JOE'S entrys...as always they are very informative and crystal clear!

Now...about COMPTON DOMINGUEZ:

2005: Record 13-1/CIF CHAMPIONS.

Games of note include victories over LONG BEACH POLY, CARSON, and SO NOTRE DAME.

2006: Record 13-1/CIF CHAMPIONS.

Games of note include victory over CARSON, and loss to LOYOLA

2007: Record 10-3/CIF SEMI-FINALIST.

Games of note include victory over LOYOLA and losses to CORONA CENTENNIAL and REDLANDS EAST VALLEY

2008: Record 2-8. Yep...horrible season but they did schedule and lose to EDISON and REDLANDS EAST VALLEY.

Conclusion:

This is a CLASS A program that has an extensive history that includes scheduling competitions against some of the best programs in the country.

Charter Oak's most notable opponent since, Lord knows when, was BISHOP AMAT. And that's it...just AMAT.

When I had heard that a game between CO and AMAT was brewing, I was avidly against it. I called for a game against a more proven program. AMAT is a PAC-5 Program and has absolutely no business scheduling 4 SGV teams. To do so would put Amat's chances at an at-large berth or a State Final game in jeopardy as CO learned last year. When it concerns these matters...games that look good on paper are often good for the programs involved. Again, strength of schedule is everything.

It is absolutely imperative that Amat schedule a higher power. Here are what our league foes signed up for last year (2008):

LOYOLA: Scheduled CONCORD DE LA SALLE, ST JOHN BOSCO, and HART.

SO NOTRE DAME: Scheduled MOOREPARK, BIRMINGHAM, and SERVITE.

CRESPI: Scheduled ST. BONAVENTURE, BIRMINGHAM, and SERVITE.

Is anyone getting my point yet? AMAT not only has to compete with these guys, but they also have to compete on "paper" as well. Scheduling 4 SGV teams is never, has never, and will never be in AMAT's best interest as long as AMAT remains a PAC-5 team.

To finish, I too wish to see a CO vs. AMAT game. It would be an awesome matchup for the SGV...just not this year.

Most of Amat fans and those that follow Southern California High School Football outside of the SGV would consider it an honor to face DOMINGUEZ.

CHARTER OAK had a great 2008 season and will do well in 2009. But this does not define the strength of a program. The fact is that they are nowhere near the COMPTON DOMINGUEZ Program.

Why you ask? because COACH LOU has refused to schedule up...unlike WEST COVINA, SOUTH HILLS, and DAMIEN. These programs have brought honor the SGV win or lose!!!!!!

And if you do not agree, please tell me when was the last time CO has scheduled an actual powerhouse other than AMAT???

Oh yes, Mr. Fred, you left one other tidbit of info out of your entry....

It was COACH LOU that ended CHARTER OAK's contract w/BISHOP AMAT at the end of the 2005 season. Everyone and their mother knows why...

FRED...BTW...you and your crew have done an excellent job keeping this website and blog up and running. May it continue to flourish in the years to come!!!

And the hits keep on a' comin...

It was something directed to the real CO bloggers and not any of the drive bys or haters out there . I put my take on it in an earlier post and maybe that is not what you wanted to hear. Sure we all wanted the game but according to the people in control at AMAT they did not want it next year for the reasons stated in many posts on this thread. Hey I wanted it as much as everyone else but to come on here and call AMAT p_ ss_es or chicken well this is something we have no control over. Now if some of the people the post was meant for have a problem with my post to them I have not seen anything in print. But if a negative post does show up who's to know it is from one of them and not some idiot imposter trying to stir the pot. I may have as much anger as jcaz but to label ourselves as puzzys as he did well I just won't go to that extreme. What would be so bad to set up the 2 game schedule now for the 2010 and 2011 seasons and put all the speculation to rest.Or make it a yearly deal and play the game at MSAC.

Amat 73

Even I can tell you that that was real weak.

And what does that have to do with YOU saying ... NO ? I'm sorry I thought you actualy played for Bishop Amat rather than just cheered from the stands and bragged about things you never actually participated in. My bad !

Charter Oak canceled the contract in 2006 after two consecutive blowouts.

oh ya were bishop amat and were never going to win a title again cause we suck!

Ya i would be scared if i was bishop amat too, Charter Oak is going to be legit next year!

Amat 73 please!!!! slime hater and shitxu talker non par what did you just say? Let me break it down for you:

CHARTER OAK SHOWED MORE CLASS ABOUT THIS "NO MAS...NOT RIGHT NOW" BS INCIDENT THAN SEVERAL AMAT BLOGGERS COULD EVER HOPE THEY COULD.

PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

LIKE ALL BULLIES YOU FIND RELIGION WHEN IT SUITS YOU BEST !!!

FRIENDS ON BOTH SIDES BUT COME ON AMAT 73 THAT WAS WEAK...GO BACK AND READ SOME OF THE "YOU AIN'T TALK OVER THE YEARS COMING FROM AMAT"

It is very interesting to see what is going on here on the blog. This has increased my level of respect for the major bloggers of CO. CO BRO. COHS, and others. You do not see them coming on here gloating of the fact of what this thread is all about. Maybe you can say the topic speaks for itself and there is no need for them to come on here and throw it in our face. With that being said I respect you regulars of CO and hopefully we can face each other down the line and after the game win or lose meet up and celebrate .

"We can't find anyone within 30 minutes from us."

Translation: We don't have the balls to schedule anyone other than Bishop Amat.

How about St. Bonaventure, LB Poly, Mater Dei, Servite, Edison, etc, etc, etc.

OH WAIT!!! They are more than 1/2 away. How sad...LMFAO!!!!

THAT'S SO HIGH SCHOOL..."WHO DROPPED WHO????

TOO FUNNY

1. Charter Oak WAS on Amats schedule.
2. Amat DESTROYED them 2 years in a row-home and home.
3. Charter Oak did want to NOT renew that contract?
4. Amat scheduled OTHER similar teams.
5. NOW, two years later, Charter Oak wants to come back.
WHO dropped who?

JCAZ is the only man with the stones. The point is this Amat. You come in here calling CO out TIME & TIME AGAIN about not playing you & come to find out, you are the culprit.

Stand up and admit that you were wrong. We understand your reasoning for not playing but, man up & admit you were wrong. I know that's hard for you to do, Roger is your boss

Nothing like a little CO BA smack to keep things lively in the off season.

"But we figured in the end, this (Dominguez) is a better situation for us. I know the San Gabriel Valley would have loved it (playing Charter Oak), but this isn't about trying to make the Valley happy, it's about doing what we think is best for our team"

Let me translate this quote for everyone. What's best for our team is playing an 2-8 team from last year which will give us a higher SOS than playing CO because Dominquez is in a higher division and improve our chances of getting that coveted at large entry into the playoffs since we usually get our ass beat in league. He most likely figures that playing dominquez coming off an 2-8 season gives him a better chance to win than playing CO who has some talent coming back.

I also don't buy the i am playing too many local teams crap. After all, padding that pre season schedule can only help in the selection process for the playoffs. Yes SOS is part of the criteria but CO stepped up and Amat backed down. Maybe Hags realizes that this might be a down year for Amat. Is a 3-7 season in store for the Lancers? Time will tell but maybe I was one year off in my prediction.

Joe Amat

MAKES NO SENSE??? WHY?? FEAR THE CHARGERS? AMAT IS JUST PLAIN WORRIED ABOUT GETTING THEIR BUTTS HANDED TO THEM!

There are people at Amat who are credible, just look at jcaz. He didnt make any excuses, he told it like it was.

it all comes down to SOS, CO needs it much more than AMAT and Dominguez provides a lot stronger team SOS wise, after DR and WC fall off the shedule then we'll see, of course CO had enough of AMAT after the 2 drubbings in the last home and home series, they could have kept the deal going but opted out, remember Lou thought he was catching AMAT in a down cycle and they were, but CO was clearly no match......now CO will have to hit the OC or go to SD for a game with somebody that can boost their SOS, to maybe give them a shot for the state playoffs, if they fail to play a "quality" team kiss the state playoffs good-bye, no matter how many points they roll up on the rest of the cream puffs they schedule

I love it, 55 hits & counting on the first day of a thread, and this is in February! Thats why football will always be king in the SGV, as for the BA & CO game I can see it both way's.
BA does already have three SGV teams on their schedule, getting a forth team would hurt their state bowl representative chances, but on the other hand with CO having players like Muema, Golden, Rufus & others coming back, & Amat losing most of their starters, you can't help but wonder if that didn't have an effect on the Amat coaches decision.
To tilt the scale back again, Dominguez is a football power, & last years was an exception, not the rule for the Don's, in probably 8 out of 10 years they would be a tougher game than CO, although last season would have been one of those 2 years where CO was better and would have been a great game vs Amat.
Either way Cheer up folks,
cause the West Co. vs BA game next year could possibly be just as good of a game, I think our Bulldogs will be much improved next season.

Joe Colt
your hit it right on the head. and i like you admit when we (LA) are down and not playing well, and believe me. we are DOWN.
good luck to both of us
next year - god knows
we need it !!!

JFR
i beat him when i borrowed
his club from him, and im
right-handed LOL,
you seen his place since
he remodeled, looks great.
trophy case is real nice!

chater oak = no upside for AMAT other than bragging rights. And the feeling I get is c.o. needed this way more than AMAT. c.o. can build on it AMAT gets nothing they didn't already have from a victory over c.o. Talk all the smack you want but until your a big deal...you're NOT A BIG DEAL! AMAT has bigger fish to fry.

Posted by: Larry the Lancer | February 26, 2009 4:25 PM

Hey Larry, the problem is they cant fry those bigger fish yet...

I respect Amat and its tradition, very much actually...

But you guys go over the top defending your program, if it isnt strong... Well then it isnt strong...

CO wanted you and you decided not to do it, for whatever reason you decided to not engege...

Thats fact...

Spin it however you want but it is all spin without substance...

Joe Amat, I like your opinions and respect them but lately you have become too pro Amat and not very realistic...

Go back to the beginning when you saw both sides, reread your posts from a couple of years back...

They actually gave Amat credibility through your eyes, not now, its all defense and spin...

Cmon guys, back to basics...

My Colts suck and I will be the first to admit it, heck I sat on the NV side and cheered when they played rivals...

It is what it is and they are the better school in many areas...

Luv ya but gotta speak the truth...

Joe Colt...

This is a joke! Amat pussied out! Next topic Fred, these excuses are killing me. Joey...you're the best. Maybe you can go with me to my next audit! Take this as a joke but seriously, any talk about these two teams should just end until it's settled on the field. Yes you almost beat Poly and beat Olu and Crespi but when the time came, aside from all the external and internal issues, you guys said , "thanks but no thanks"...when BOTH of us were in high school that was just plain and simple..."Backing Down" Now some are already hallucinating and reaching into their peyote bags for rationalizations that make some of my "late night honey sorry I'm late you're never gonna believe what happened to me"excuses seem almost believeable. Joey I'm laughing as hard as I have in a while. Thank your Amat Alumni for that. Not sure how good the academics are at Amat but you guys must have one heck of a Craetive Writing Department..sorry Joey for giving you the usiness but seriously i was stunned. ,,"NO?"...wow!

Yup, that was me.

RGD, tell Gano to quit ducking me in golf, I'll play him on his own course "his backyard" on Thack#$% St at the old Miller house. Tell lefty that I'll make him choke down the stretch just like Phil does to Tiger.

I love how football brings the BLOG back to life.

hey Joey ol buddy,
i never said LA should play amat, gano is smart as is bogan and lou. they prepare there teams for the best shot to win cif,just like amat does. if that doesnt include playing amat then so be it,
your at it again, making excuses
HEY JOEY BOY
why is the correct thing for amat to play who they think better prepares them for league but when it comes to SH-CO-LA the ducking, running, hiding.
JOEY BOY
you see, you guys are the ones saying your being ducked.your right JOEY, MAKES NO SENSE, tell your buddies that, they believe in you.
JOEY BOY
its not called tricking, its called do what you need to do to make your team better.amat used to do that, they need to get back to that.and believe or not, i hope this happens, played coached watched in the sgv for over 40 years now,when you guys play anyone outside the sgv , in rooting for you.

True, "might" be a good game and sure I would have been there to see it...but, I give no quarter when team mascots, bloggers, boosters and backers of other schools come on here and try to smack talk my Lancers!!! The truth hurts! And every once in a while you have to tell people the truth even if it hurts, sorry c.o. but that's just the way it is.

Fred you bleep my entry and leave the one from jane ??? What is the difference. jcaz was that really you who posted that first reply?

Larry, let's be honest...

CO vs Amat would be a good matchup that everybody wants to see. Just as it was a couple years back when we had the back-to-back results that we did. CO didn't want to go for the three-peat, and I can respect that. They gave it a shot and moved on. As did Glendora. And now West Covina and Diamond Ranch. All good matchups that, given the right circumstances, could result in an Amat loss. I said that before the season started. Those teams "could" beat Amat, but shouldn't and probably won't. But could. As could CO... some years.

I've been saying for years that South Hills would be nice to see. And, although we'd love to have seen it, Los Altos has been ducking the Lancers for so long that even R2D2 can't deny that one. Ever since the DeSpain days and Gano carried on the tradition. Maybe R2 will come on and explain that one away. You see they (and Bogan to some extent) have it figured out. If they continued to win Divisions 7-8-9-10 and Amat struggled in D1, then they could trick some people into thinking that because they went deeper in their little post-season tournament it actually proved something in comparison. But every once in a while someone steps up and gives it a crack that, when comparing scores, puts that notion to rest.

So all of those games would be great... just not all at once. CO had it on the schedule and dropped the ball. They've been replaced with WC and DR. Whose fault is that? Amat's... or CO's? R2? We can rotate opponents every couple years... that's fine. Just NOT all at once. Makes NO sense.

Take note CO Faithful, Hagerty may have chose a different path in Dominguez but the Amat Faithful wanted this game just as much as you did. Too bad t did not come off this coming season, but our paths will meet soon and may the best team win. There are no Puzzy's here, just fans wanting to see a local game between SGV only D1 team and a CO team that has been playing good football with Championships to prove it. Nothing more, nothing less. Have a good upcoming season, until we meet again.
Mighty Are The Men That Wear The Blue And Gold.

Amat fears no one.

chater oak = no upside for AMAT other than bragging rights. And the feeling I get is c.o. needed this way more than AMAT. c.o. can build on it AMAT gets nothing they didn't already have from a victory over c.o. Talk all the smack you want but until your a big deal...you're NOT A BIG DEAL! AMAT has bigger fish to fry.

Strength of Schedule comes into play, and is one of the early criteria, when the CIF selects the At-Large teams in the divisions that have them. Agains, the Serra league only gets 2 playoff spots. Imagine if you took taking Wilson and Los Altos OUT of the Miramonte then Diamond Ranch (a finalist) would not have made the playoffs.

It is also used by the State when selecting bowl representatives. Charter Oak took a hit after winning their D7 championship with their incredibly low SOS in comparison to Cathedral (SD) - so Cathedral got to compete in the Home Depot Center in that exciting 37-34 win over St Mary's(Stockton)

I usually look at CalPreps.com because it's more comprehensive.
http://calpreps.com/2008/ratings/

They are also found at Maxpreps.com
http://calpreps.com/2008/ratings/
which finished the season with Amat at #22 and CO at #23 - so they agree with all of us that it would be a heck of a game too.

R2D2 - I apologize for the vocabulary, proper spelling and punctuation. It probably bugs you from hanging out with that "blow hard" C3PO. He was pretty proper, too.

jfr,
greg says hello. he talks very high about your family.he wasnt sure where you ended up playing college ball.we had it down to two schools.

Don,
i know your not from amat and i know that you know a few people from co, heck, you even know who i am, im not that far from you, your just a little south over the hill from me. i was just surprised you would not call them out because of the way they treat other schools and bloggers. and i agree they shouldnt play but They kept insisting co would not play them, again, really surprised you didnt call them out, including you know who !!thumbs up to JACZ ...

pussies.

Joe Amat, I knew this last week and wanted to come out swinging, but what's the point. BA is already in a bad place with WC and DR on the schedule, adding another team from that same division who has the best chance of winning doesn't make sense. If coaches had crystal balls about future teams we would all be happy but setting schedules isn't that easy.I would love to have seen this game and I would love to see a healthy economy this year too but guess what, NOT HAPPENING! Move on folks.

FTR, I have no association with Bishop Amat outside of some friend's kids who attend, some of whom play on Lancer sports teams. I have the same association with folks at a dozen or more schools including C O and Los Altos. For that matter, I can name a lot more kids we know playing at C O than at Amat.

As for playing a football game between the two, I still see no advantage for Bishop Amat while Charter Oak would have a tremendous upside should they win. If Amat won the game, the Chargers simply could say, “Hey, what do you expect? They're a D1 team, they are SUPPOSED to beat us, at least we're gutty enough to take them on”.

When they get around to playing I'll attend since it ought to be a heck of a game but as far as I'm concerned nobody has made a compelling argument beyond pure curiosity. Bragging rights are overrated and frankly I think any potential “recruiting” advantage the winner would have would be negligible. People already find too many interesting reasons to rationalize moving their kid from school to school.

JA,

Where can I find the SOS rankings from last year and how do they effect getting into the playoffs?

If you've ever put together a high school schedule you'd understand perfectly. Especially in a highly competitive playoff division THE toughest division in the STATE, like the Pac-5, where a valued at-large spot is floating around for a 4-team league to take advantage of. Remember there are only TWO guaranteed spots in the Serra League so that at-large spot is valuable. If a team happens to ever be fortunate enough to compete for the Pac-5 title (and not saying that Amat is right now, but there is no reason to think if you can play the Pac-5 champion as tough as we played LB Poly that it is out of the question) then that champ has a chance to be invited to a State bowl game. As Charter Oak found out last season - *Strength of Schedule matters*!!.

If anyone was following the SOS last season - ours DROPPED while we WON the 3 SGV matchups!! And two of those were against a semi-finalist and a finalist! Why do you think that was? And you want us to add another one? So it can drop more? Not to mention whether or not the Lancers lost a bit of an edge when they had to open league against the athletic depth of Loyola.

The fact of the matter is that Dominguez is in the Western Division(D3) which is the 6th highest rated division in the State. Charter Oak is in the Southeast(D7) , which is number TWENTY-THREE. The average rating and schedule strength is about twice as high in the Western as it is in the Southeast. That will matter come playoff time. The Western League has leagues like the Mission, Bay, Ocean, Golden, and the SGV League compared to the Miramonte, San Antonio, Del Rio, Almont, and Pacific Leagues. One is D3 and the other is D7 for a reason!

The bottom line is we can't play THREE D7 teams and still prepare to compete in the Serra, Pac-5 and have a quality SOS. As Hags said, revisit it when the other contracts expire. Plus, like I mentioned earlier, this game might STILL be on the schedule if CHARTER OAK hadn't chosen not to renew in '06.

Don,
are you serious? an image to keep.amat has been the ones saying there the best around, co is afraid to play, it has been all the amat people calling for this game.now there making excuses why not to play, amat 73 says, call us back . these guys are a joke.and your buddy Blow Hard Joe Amat is unbelieveable.JCAZ is the only person to come on here and admit you all made a mistake saying co WOULD NOT play amat.this is why amat is so hated, if all these big-headed idiots were to come on here and admit they were wrong they would get so much respect.but they cant and wont.joe thinks because he uses proper spelling and has periods where there suppose to be that hes different, well hes not and now you just showed your true colors also,so many people on here do not no crap compared to what they say, including you and joe.
JACZ - way to man up !
hell, i even made a mistake once, i was trying to give these amat idiots the benefit of the dought. man was i wrong.
go los altos !

"Holly Smokes Fred"
You really woke up a lot of people with this info.

Great Job Freddie!!!

Yup you all have it correct . We are ducking CO so we can schedule a weakling like ST Bonnie.Get real folks. To be honest I can't put it any better then Don just posted. No matter what my take on it the CO people will call AMAT (bleep) and now they have what they want. Let us get thru the next season then have Lou call Hags or better yet have him negociate the the contract now if he really does want to play AMAT and sign a 2 year contract and it will be settled on the field where it should be . Yes you CO people can say we will need that much time to get ready for CO and that's ok too.

Don
That's all a better reason to play "CHARTER OAK" like I said you can continue to put as much as a twist on it that you want but the bottom line is you had your chance and you backed down.

"Your Right"
There's no pressure to play St Bonaventure because Amat is expected to loose.Now by some miracle you win then I'm sure all the Amat fans will come out and say we should have played CO.By the way,there's no way your going to beat SB.

Hey Don, here's a good reason to play CO. . . CO's been to CIF Finals at least 3 times since the last time your limp-wristed Lancers have won in the playoffs. Paper tigers over there in Lancerland. Grow a pair.

Getherall, real reason, sgvfootballfan, etc.

Some of you Charter Oak guys really don't get it, do you? There never was a reason for Amat to play C O in the first place and for it even to have been considered seems more based in public relations than in reality anyhow. But then, image is important on Covina Blvd, right?

But hey, you guys do deserve to play better than you have booked recently, really. Starting out last season against Aliso Niguel, Pioneer, and Diamond Bar, (6-24 combined in 2008), wasn't really much of a test, now was it? And then rolling up the Miramonte? You ought to be ashamed of yourselves. Dude, doesn't beating up on Wilson, Bonita and Los Altos ever get old for you guys?

Here's an idea! How's about you ring up Norco or Centennial or Poly or Los Alamitos, Edison or someone else who can give you a “real” contest. Might be interesting. But you'll never do that, will you? Heck, the two Baseline contests you had last year were all you could handle, right? Nah, you would rather continue to whine about another schools lack of sack while you knock d7 rings together.

What's really funny about all of this is that some of you, COJO and Chris Allen's Dad among others, understand that playing the teams you played last year worked against the chances some of your better players had at getting early offers from the guys who play Saturdays.

Urban Myer and Pete Carroll don't care how many yards you had against Bell Gardens, they want to see how you did against kids who WILL be playing on Saturday.

Hum...

There is not a more over-hyped team in america than St. Bonnie. That game is nothing more than a circle jerk - or as Amat fans call it, a win-win match up. Enough lame excuses. Own your backyard or shut up about being 'elite'.

Hags is so scared of playing top competition that he scheduled State Champ St. Boniventure's next year.

I wasn't setting anyone up, I worked with the information I had, and fortunately, both coaches really opened up and talked about it this morning. I was always under the impression that Amat asked for this game first, but Charter Oak was hesitant. Once the Chargers realized week one was hard to fill, they made a late push at Amat, who reconsidered, and said no thanks. Timing is everyting, isn't it?

Paul Cerda made a very interesting observation that I hadn’t even considered, and that was that this whole thing may very well be a set up by good old Fred.

Keep in mind that throughout this entire period, all of the stuff you found on this blogg was about calling out Charter Oak for a football game that they didn’t want to play.

Now we find out that the opposite was true ??

WTF Fred ??, you really set us up in here.

Heck, I even went so far as to call them (CO) a bunch of puzzys, but now we learn that it was not CO who was the biggest chicken in the hen house, but Amat.

Wow.

I have to tell you that, I don't like having egg on my face, and when I see that Amat was playing the bad guy here, then, it really makes me even madder.

Sure, the Amat faithful can argue until the cows come home that another "local" game was a losing proposition, but in the end, who gives a crap ??

Maybe the football program should take a page from the baseball coaches book. He’s not afraid to play local talent.

I suppose that in the end, the thing that gets me most riled up is that I really wanted to see that game played, and now, much to my chagrin, we discover that it was Amat and not Charter Oak, who turned out to be the biggest puzzys out there.

Man oh man...

Joe Amat
You can say what ever you want or put any kind of twist on it but the bottom line is Amat is flat out scared to play CO.I said earlier this year from a good source within Amats coaching staff that they will be real weak this year and will be real "LUCKY" to be 4-5.Remember Amat fans I didn't say that but one of your coaches said it.Hey Joe how can your team back down with all that history.You should be able to take care of CO no problem!!!! Ha,Ha,Ha LOL.

nt Jorge,

First, If anyone has been paying any attention, I have been saying for a few years that Farrar has set the standard for longevity and achievement in the SGV (with Bogan just behind). I felt it was their success that essentially force Amat's hand into the recent coaching change. MSGr realized that just the school name won't keep kids from going to the successful, local public schools. We needed to put a great product on the field and do things the right way. Now we do - after a short hiatus.

That being said, let's also remember that CO might *still* have this game on their schedule if they had chosen to renew the contract in 2006, after two consecutive... uuummm.... contests. As for the SGV, we'll see three pretty good matchups in West Covina, Diamond Ranch and Damien. Then the best game taking place in the SGV next year will be when St Bonaventure comes to Keifer.

RR-FWIW... there was no "coin flip" last season, if that's what you were implying.

OK, here I am.
While most of us wanted to see this game, I also see Hagertys logic. We are already have WC, DR, and Damien on the schedule, carry overs from last year. How many valley teams can we play in one season?

Don't write this game off in the future, it could happen in 2010 once we complete the contracts with the other schools. Disapointed? Yes, but I understand why.

Did someone ask if I instigated this? All I did was report how it unfolded. I understand where Amat's coming from. As a fan of football I'm disappointed, but certainly can't blame the Lancers for choosing the path they did.

Also no reason to think that Amat is back to top form. 7 wins is alright, but next year it's back to 4 or maybe 5 at most. Isn't this the real reason that Coach Hags is dodging a champ like CO?

Hags doesn't have the stones to take on a champ. Run and hide. Then pray for the coin toss to go your way again. Backdoor into the playoffs. . . the sign of a 'real powerhouse' program. Haha.

Larry the Lancer, did you just wake up from a coma? CO football has had many, many good years - not just last year. Big Lou has something like 220 wins. We're no "crosstown public school clowns", that's for sure. Show a little respect. BTW - We "clowns" were pulling for those Lancers of yours last year, so stick your head back up where it was recently pulled from.
As for the CO football schedule, I'm sure the #1 week slot will be filled soon. Too bad it won't be BA or Glendora. Either would have been great victories for the Chargers.

Is this a record for amat silence...jcaz? amat 73? matmtwtbag? orca? bleeds blue and gold? hellllllllllllllllllllllllllooooooooooooooooooo!!! is any body home???????

No reason to think that last season wasn't just a speed bump for Dominguez.

The previous 4 seasons Dominguez was
10-3
13-1
13-1
12-2
Last Season Dominguez was 2-8 and lost to
Comnpton(7-3,& started the season 7-0)
REV(10-2),
Leuzinger(6-4),
Edison(9-3),
Gahr(5-5)
Lynwood(8-3-1), Warren(8-4),
and two-time atate finalst in Utah Pineview(10-2).

Records are always a little deceiving on the surface. I wonder what their record may have been if they had played

Aliso Niguel(0-10)
Pioneer (2-8)
Diamond Bar(4-6)
Damien (3-7)
Etiwanda (5-6)
Wilson (0-10)
Diamond Ranch (7-7)
Los Altos (1-9)
Tough to compare.

This topic was debated before and there were about 100 comments. Check them out here
http://www.insidesocal.com/tribpreps/2008/12/just_tribbin_wh.html#comments

I could write my thoughts again - but just find them in there somewhere.

I will repost something Don wrote - that I agree with 100%

"...Non-League scheduling needs to be a win-win and and while playing Amat would be good for the C O program, it does little for the Lancers to put another Division Vll team in the mix. Amat had three local “A” program teams on the schedule last year: West Covina, Damien, and Diamond Ranch. That's at least one or maybe two more than they ought to play. If the Damien-Gano thing creates a tier 1 team like some predict, keep the Spartans on the schedule and make it a yearly event. Kind of a SGV version of MD-Servite.

Beside that, the Lancers should only play one other local team and it ought to be the best the Valley has to offer be that Charter Oak, Diamond Ranch, South Hills, or whoever. The Lancers ought to also consider upgrading a couple of the Mission League games; at least one of them to an Inland D team from a Southwest or Big Vlll team. The other ought to be a yearly tussle with St Paul; another big, yearly event.

Charter Oak should consider replacing the Damien game with Glendora for the “cross-town thing” and the Pioneer game with a “good” Dlll team from maybe the Marmonte or the Foothill. I like the second Sierra League game, but C O should be playing Chino Hills or Ayala rather than Diamond Bar. The two baseline games should stay, maybe rotate one of them with Upland if possible, and playing a soft Pac-5 week O is genius. Maybe Marina or Millikan for a day at the Beach when the weather is still nice.

There, did I piss everyone off?"

Posted by: Don | December 18, 2008 10:11 AM

Charter Oak, RELAX! You crosstown public school clowns had a good year last year. Enjoy it. But please stop beating your BREAST and proclaiming yourselves a football school! Because until the bottom line changes from, "Bishop Amat has everything to lose and NOTHING TO GAIN" from playing charter choke...you're going to remain third or fourth in line and really, just not a priority!

Charter Oak, RELAX! You crosstown public school clowns had a good year last year. Enjoy it. But please stop beating your BREAST and proclaiming yourselves a football school! Because until the bottom line changes from, "Bishop Amat has everything to lose and NOTHING TO GAIN" from playing charter choke...you're going to remain third or fourth in line and really, just not a priority!

Joe Amat ??
Amat 73 ??

What are your takes ?

Looking in from the outside ,I think Amat just took the high road.It WOULD HAVE BEEN a great game !

Fight On
TM

It was about positioning. Remember Amat had the game on the table for a long time. CO didn't jump on it. Now with everyone's schedule filling up, CO wants to secure a local game so they don't have to travel. But it was too late. Amat had plenty of offers for week 1 and picked they best game for themselves. No one can match the athletes at Dominguez. CO may have to venture to the OC now. Farrar should not have waited this long to fill the schedule.

2010 will be the next Amat/CO game replacing West Covina.

Gettherall,

How can you also complain about not winning a playoff game. The guy's team almost took down LONG BEACH POLY!!!!!!!

Fred you are a instigator. You had the thread that BA has inquired to play CO and CO was balking. Now you have the opposite. Sells papers I know and fires up the BA/CO bloggers. Joe Amat any input why BA is now labeled the POOOOsy's here.? I got this feeling CO coach is talking this BS after Amat Scheduled Dominguez week 1. CO has yet to schedule a Pac 5 team and I am sure there is one out there needing a week one game. Sack up CO coach. I will be real intrested who becomes your week one opponent. It will be a tomato Can.

Matchmaker

at Venice H.S.

...if it walks like a DUCK...and quacks like a DUCK... nice DUCK BA

Getherall-how can you complain about
#4-Beat up on local teams which you should.
and then say
#6. Afraid to play Charter Oak
isn't that "oxymoron-ish"?

Hags,

You are a joke and a fraud. Let's recap what you have done so far at Amat.
1. Name Lenhart the starter for the first game even though McClanahan was better.
2. Throw Mac against the wolves against OLU in hopes that if he failed you could re-insert Lenhart.
3. Bench your starting QB for the league championship game. You should have just made him do bear crawls or up downs.
4. Beat up on local teams which you should.
5. No longer played Hart or Carson.
6. Afraid to play Charter Oak. Don't give me that Dominguez will better prepare you.
7. Still waiting for you to win a playoff game.

Where are all the Amat revisionists. I love a good yard. This is embarASSing for Bishop Amat on so many levels it makes Timothy Leary shudder at the thought of going down this hallucinatory 'trip".

Dominguez is a good game for Amat.
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ALL TOGETHER NOW !!!!!!

COME YOU IN THE BACK...

DOMINGUEZ IS A GOOD GAME FOR AMAT

it's a joke....relax.

Coach Hags? More like coach Vag. No balls.

that's disappointing..

/disappointed alum

Glendora should be playing CO. No doubt about it That Pasquaella guy is a wimp

has West Covina filled their Week 1 opening?

"We can't find anyone within 30 minutes from us"? That's a CLOSE game in the Serra League. Join the rest of the competitive teams and venture OUTSIDE the Foothill Transit area and find out what other regions are like.

fred,

i know that this is off topic, but have you heard anything about something happening to coach le duc last night? i heard some stuff and i'm a little worried. someone help if you know. i hope it doesn't effect tomorrow's game.

should i give them the ph # for the chino hills high school athletic director????

Dominguez will be back next year. There was a coaching shake-up last and the old/long time coaching crew came. Don't sleep on them! There is too much talent in Compton for them too be down long.