Jacob Shirley's appeal denied, South Hills standout must sit out the rest of the season

Voice,

That may happen, and I don't pretend to know the specifics - other than the Canada paperwork has not been reviewed yet and the Padilla eligibility has yet to be officially approved.

As I said, it may happen but I wouldn't mess with karma until the I's are dotted the T's are crossed AND there's a punctuation mark at the end!

According to a trusted and reliable source of mine the paperwork of los Canadas and the kid from my MVL nemesis Neiko Padilla (S El Monte) ... all their paperwork has been approved .. the Is dotted and the Ts crossed.

There is nothing this constant b****ings' to Big Brother gonna do to stop them.

h8ers be humbled.

Double Standard!
Jake Shirley (minor) not allowed to play this season, but assistant baseball coach D** R**** (adult) has not been investigated and continues to coach!!!!
Shirley should be allowed to play! CIF needs to remove Asst. Coach for recruiting, not abiding by CIF Coaches Code of Ethics, and other Blue Book violations!

What happened to freedom of speech?
I have been told that several SHHS baseball parents have submitted blogs that have never been posted! Who is screening these blogs?

Too bad for Jake hes a great kid I just dont understand how Norhtview gets away with the stuff they pull lets not punish one when so many others have been approved under the same circumstance CIF should be ashamed of themselves. Too bad a young man has to learn the politics of life when he just wants to play a game good luck Jake theres always next year and you will be that much better.

Joe,

Interesting points no doubt, however, I think that there is a big difference here.

Remember, in our society, we demand that individuals that work in a "professional" classification be somehow measured or qualified to perform those tasks at a level set by a certain set of standards.

Now, those standards that I’m speaking of are usually arbitrary at best, and are oftentimes simply a manner in which a guild, or association or even a government entity regulates a craft.

In this case were speaking of athletics. A clearly different distinction altogether here, because in this instance, there is no test that will determine if you can slam dunk a basketball in a single leap midway from the top of the key.

Here, your abilities were given to you by god and not by a collegiant institution.

So I guess that all that im saying is that if a young man has a gift, and that gift will allow him to open doors down the road, then how fair is it for our society to tell him that he can’t use those gifts to better himself?

I know that in this instance we are speaking of high school sports, but ultimately, all that what we’re saying here, is that by going to a better athletic program, a kid has a far better chance to be recognized than if he attends a far weaker one.

I mean, Isn’t that one of the biggest arguments that we use when we want to attract the best athletes to our school?

I don't have or claim to know all the answers here Joe, but I think that in the end it's a shame that there is so much pressure on these kids to succeed.

You know, there’s allot of Lawyers driving trucks out there and there's allot of kids who were good athletes in high school who end up flipping hamburgers at McDonalds, iin order to fin out what path in life a kids going to take, he should have that opportunity, even if it's in high school.

Oh well, thats just my 2 cents thats all...

sgvpride & Conq,

I concur 100%

jcaz,

Man, I've struggled with this same idea many times. I think the difference to me is that we are talking about high school here, not college or professional sports.

In high school we still believe in the Student-Athlete. Let's be honest, we've gotten to the point where we've all accepted and come to grips with the O.J. Mayo's of the world who are Athlete-students (although let's be honest and just call them athletes...there was no student involved there!).

Do we really want to openly accept that situation in high school? Do you want to see that day when schools become places like Florida State or Ohio State where it's basically a professional Sports franchise with classes on the side? We run that risk if we begin to let students transfer for any reason at any time.

Plus let's be honest...when it comes to college and pros, the athletes themselves are adults and make their own decisions. When it comes to high school transfers, you are very often talking about manipulative parents who are living vicariously through their kids and could do damage if we don't regulate the situation.

LA Conq

Paul,

Why do you assume I was okay with transferring then? Was in charge with an ability to stop them? It was NEVER okay for these guys to transfer. Even though all of those guys moves were legit by the book (change of address, hardship, etc) they still moved for athletic reasons and I believe that is fundamentally wrong. I wasn't okay with it then and I'm not okay with it now.

LA Conq

I think the NBA rule and many other rules put into play is because the NBA and many other major sports want MEN going pro not boys. MEN who know how to handle money, the enviroment, the typical NBA life. Colleges also look at how many times a person jumps ship from his school. The player who goes to 4 schools in 4 years is going to have a ?. Teaching these kids about life should be the main point. I think a transfer once in your high school career is not that bad. Anything more than once is a sign of trouble and should be stopped by CIF unless it is cleared on a hardship.

LA CONQ,
Oh now it's no good for these tranfers. I dont think you thought this way when Los Altos was winning those championships and Gano was recruiting like a mad man. The Bishop Amat kids that left the Verti years, sure Verti being coach had something to do with it but they had influence coming from Los Altos. The Kid that was a QB at LA that bounced back and fourth between LA and SH for football and baseball. Kids that should be going to Wilson that Gano brought into LA program. LA is now on the losing end and it is not ok to transfer?

and speaking of lawyers...

Two small boys, not yet old enough to be in school, were overheard talking at the zoo one day.

"My name is Steve. What's yours?" asked the first boy.

"Freddy," replied the second.

"My Daddy's an accountant. What does your Daddy do for a living?" asked Steve.

Freddy replied, "My Daddy's a lawyer."

"Honest?" asked Steve.

Freddy replied, "No, just the regular kind".

I've entered this debate a few times in the past week, so it's been on my mind lately. Anytime anybody discusses the NBA's 1-year out requirement, Brandon Jennings skipping college to go to Europe, and now Jeremy Tyler dropping out of his JUNIOR year of high school to play overseas, they always bring up some version of your statement:

"...a person has the right to earn a living and to promote his opportunities for advancement..."

Does anybody question a financial firm that requires an MBA for employment, or a school that stipulates a teacher must have a credential. An attorney must pass the bar exam and CPA's have to jump through a million hoops. Counselors and psychologists need to be certified and even most day-care facilities employees have to complete a certain number of Early Education Units, and many jobs in the classifieds say AA or equivalent.

jcaz, if you wanted to teach/coach at your local public school you could be the best coach in the world and not be able to get hired. I might be able to argue a case and study up on my torts, motions, and precedents but I couldn't be a lawyer. Could we argue, "...a person has the right to earn a living and to promote his opportunities for advancement..."? I'm not sure they'd buy that.

All the NBA is doing is laying down guidelines for the type of employees they want to represent their product. Just like any other employer is allowed to do in the examples above.

I'm not sure how that really relates to high school transfers, but as they say, "you opened the door" (see ... I'm practicing)

I’m sort of on the fence when it comes to all this transfer stuff and I’ll tell you why.

In Basketball, we have an NBA policy that says that a college player has to spend at least a year in college before he can play in the NBA.

I suppose that the reason for this rule is perhaps similar to the issues here regarding transfers here, in that maybe this CIF policy is in place to somehow give non professional sports IE High school in this case) some sort of stability and integrity.

However, even now we have kids who are going off to Europe to pay pro ball and never even setting foot in a college arena.

My point here is that there are people who will argue that a person has the right to earn a living and to promote his opportunities for advancement in anyway he can short or doing something illegal.

So, if you accept that premise, then what’s wrong with a high school kid trying to do the same thing?

I mean, why are we so hung up on this issue, if the family is only trying to improve the kid’s chances of success down the road?

Look, I know that there are legitimate arguments on both side of the issue here, and to be honest with you it may be very emotional for many, but in the end, isn't all about "opportunity" for these kids? I mean, would there even be an argument if we were speaking about a kid transferring from Cal State LA's marketing program in order to enroll at Harvard’s medical school?

nsa,

"no case without proof" is now exactly what the CIF is saying. Only they've flipped the script on the transfers to put the burden of proof on them.

They now state that if there is "prima facie" evidence (“sufficient evidence”) that there was pre-enrollment contact by any member of the school and any member of the family it will be *presumed* that the student enrolled in that school in whole or in part for athletic reasons.

It is then up to *the transfer* to provide sufficient proof to the satisfaction of the Section Commissioner that rebuts or disproves the evidence of undue influence/recruiting for athletic reasons.

So now *the transfer has no case for eligibility without proof*... instead of the reverse. In the case of Cesar Guerrero, the hoops transfer at Workman, the system worked. They presumed him ineligible and enough evidence was presented to prove otherwise. They system will work again with Canada if there is evidence to support the move

Good for CIF! I'm happy they are starting to crack down on this crap. I'm tired of seeing athletes just jump ship whenever the situation at their school becomes something they don't want. Welcome to real life guys. Sometimes things don't go our way and we have to deal with it. We have to adjust and make lemonade outta those lemons.

Regarding Canada, Jesus Christ, his mother all but said that he transferred for Athletic reasons...read the quote here on the blog. Freddy, you may find yourself testifying at a state CIF hearing in a few months. Unless of course Canada's family moved. Cougar is right, only a phyiscal change of address or EXTREME circumstances (i.e. hardship) will allow for a transfer like that.

CIF needs to inject some roids into those nuts of their's and start cracking down on this crap before high school athletics becomes a damn shell game of players just rotating as they please.

no case without proof. nothings gonna be found out anyway. were not gonna go into this wiretap $##! the NSA is already preoccupied screening for terrorist chatter assassination plots etc vice versa 24/7 365.25.

come on fred said:
Yes punish them all. Coaches from other schools should not contact players from other schools and recruit them to play for them.

April 29, 2009 10:41 AM

This would have never happened if WC didn't have that terrible coach Dru Lorenger. He needs to resign. WC is going to lose quality players as long as he is the head Varisty Coach. So many parents have requested a change and nothing has been done. Lorenger do the right thing and quit.

No system is above reproach and it would be naive to think 4 yrs. in one system is long enough to guarantee maximizing on ones opportunities. Reorganizing the league when needed will cease any monopolizing. Stay or go.Freedom of choice. Its not our decision.

It still boils down to when you wanna do the right thing and when you dont. Jacob, the best of luck to you and your family. Keep your head up and your eyes to the skies.

From my understanding... It was not Jacob Shirley himself who made contact with any coaches at South Hills; nor did any of the SH coaches make contact with him..It was his dad who made contact with a number of schools prior to enrolling him at South Hills. The moment contact was made with South Hills the administration (athletic or otherwise) made contact with both West Covina High School and CIF. They handled their end properly.

FYI: Jake Shirley's father works for the West Covina Unified School District. So any move from the district was going to be deemed "athletically motivated."

The bottom-line is unless their is a physical move, or extremely extenuating circumstances it is going to be deemed "athletically motivated."

The Canada's were very involved in the screening and interviewing of all of the applicants for the new Duarte Head Football Coach; on the interview panel. Their move will be evaluated very similar to the Shirley transfer.

Yes punish them all. Coaches from other schools should not contact players from other schools and recruit them to play for them.

Athletically motivated on who's part? From my understanding Shirley was alleged to have had previous contact with South Hills assistant coaches. Canada's move seems like strictly a family decision, no different than all those Amat players who left two years ago, or Thropay, who left Amat and went to Charter Oak. What's the difference, if you punish one, punish them all.

Fred

I think this was the write decision on Shirley.Now I think all football fans should call cif and question Canada's move to SH which I believe was athletically motivated as well.

This was the right decision, altho I wish CIF would be more consistant with the Athletically Motivated come football season. They made a example of Shirley's baseball transfer but come football season CIF seems to look the other way with Atletically motivated transfers. Sells Tickets. IMO Football generates $$$Dollars$$$ from game one through the playoffs. Baseball does not draw dollars until playoffs. Could the CIF office employees be "Money Motivated" in reguards to football season.

Here we go again. I don' think Shirley is the second coming of the Messiah, and if he is transferring for athletic reasons, so what! He still must maintain grades to play, so the educational agenda is still in place. Why use 'athletically motivated" as an excuse to punish.
CIF and school officials say it because school is education first. Doesn't it still remain first even after a transfer?
A Head Coach preaches loyalty to his players, then ups and quits to accept another position with another school, which kind of says, loyalty is only for the players, why isn't the coach punished by being placed as ineligible for one year?