Did anyone watch Tuesday night's passing league with Bishop Amat, Charter Oak, South Hills and host Upland?

Obsess much?

Why do you spend so much time sticking up for some punk kid? Just because he wore the blue and gold? Grow up. You don't know the kid. You offer no defense for his actions. You're just a no-brain, blind, sheep. Typical Amat honk.

Cover None...that must be a mirror you're looking at and writing about. You're the one blogging at 1:42 AM. On a Saturday NIGHT!!!! Talk about not having a life.

Get a life loser.

You've been outted!! Put down the pipe and stop hating already.

You're a grown man and you sound like a very unhappy soul slamming a kid who made good for himself and made his family proud. What has your son not accomplished that turns you into an blog terrorists.

You never seen Price play because your team never played Amat.

What a totall loser !!! You know what...hit the pipe until you pass out that way we don't have to read your gargage.

Do you only grow balls and decide to post after your second tallboy of the night?

Just go to sleep. That's the only way you can continue to have your wet dreams about Amat's 'return to glory'.

I'm well aware that those are not your words man. I know the difference between a scout team and a hater.

But what I challenge is your need to cut and paste such.

So did Price pissed you or your kid off. Was he a beast after a tackle? Did he verbally abuse during a football game? LOL! Have you ever played football? Are you affiliated w/ West Covina, Damien, St. Francis, or Diamond Ranch? (all have great programs w/ massive balls but I want more info)

It's obvious Price had an impact on your life. But you do not seriously believe that anyone on here is going to take your words or any "professional scouting" service over UCLA seriously do you?

Price is way young dude. He will develop with help from the UCLA staff like everyone else.

So please tell us all what program do you support and we can talk history. Otherwise you are just a punkass Amat hater that knows nothing about football outside of the SGV.

Thanks for the answer 2 days later. In case you don't read so good, those words speaking the truth about Price did not come from me. Those came from professional scouting services. I just brought them to light. As for the 'punk' tag, you've done nothing to address the issue, so I stand by it.

Take off you blue and gold glasses some time.

Cover None:

Dude you are reaching. You can stop now. Price is going to play for UCLA FOOTBALL on scholarship. I have a small feeling that they know a tad bit more about Pac-10 football and Price than you do. Please stop embarrassing yourself man. Price has been on Division 1 radar since he was a sophomore.

If you hate Bishop Amat, then focus on Bishop Amat and leave this kid alone cuz you are starting to look really ignorant.

I assure you, Amat fans are more than willing to debate you. And I can guarantee you, you will face those that have been following Amat ball for more than 25 years. Such is our tradition and strength which you have left me no choice but believe you no nothing about.

so bring it...but leave the kid alone...he's a UCLA BRUIN now! FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!

hellllllllll yeah!!!!!!!

The Missing Link...

Hey, what happened to the BLOG link that used to be on the Prep Sports section?

Mine disappeared on Monday.

Anyone else?

Long Beach Poly vs. St. Bonaventure 2008 Highlights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lseQ5zf3Eo

The video also shows SNOOP DOGG who shows up "fashionably late" to support his Alma Mater.

Come Clean:
What makes you so sure that Price is a good kid? Because he wears a blue and gold uni? You have to know better than that.

My short answer to your question is that Price's behavior to opponents on the field before, during and after games warrant the 'punk' tag.

You need more details than that, go ask Hags. His antics were well known.

Holy Smoke,
Go away for a few days vacation and come back to this. It is very simple. Yes CO had a great team last year. AMAT had a very good season compared to what we had gone thru the last couple of years. Are we happy where we are at yes, but we do expect more. No our expectations have not lowered . We of the true faithful will not be happy until a new banner is hanging in the TATE DUFF - opps I forgot .The bashing is nothing new to us because win or lose we will still get it from all of the outside looking in bloggers. The fact of the matter is until " THE GAME " is scheduled most are speaking from the heart. It is true every year is a different team due to graduation and so forth so let's look forward to when it happens . We do have our last contracted games with 3 SGV opponents ( but hopefully Damien renews ) this season so maybe we can get it scheduled for the 2010 season. Yes we did refuse the game when Big Lou came calling very late in scheduling process but how is it that the CO bloggers fail to acknowledge the fact that we did ask first but were turned down by CO administration very early in the scheduling process. Look it up it is in the archives unless Fred can repost that thread . We can all argue who is better and who plays tougher teams but all we have to go by is history and in the past we have proven to be better than CO in those years we played. Believe me those years we beat CO were not our worst teams we fielded by far. I take nothing away from CO they do have a good solid program and wish them only the best . As for the chest thumping and so forth it is not necessary for us because WE ARE AMAT and that my friends speaks for itself . For a lousey little 7-4 team we sure do get a lot of blog space so we must be doing something right. MATMTWTBAG good to see you back .

I can answer that Come Clean... Price had WAAAAAYYYYY more talent than his kid! LMAO... By the way, MOST high school kids who go to DI colleges have to do lots of work in the weight room before they become legit players at that level... Also, I think 10.51 constitutes pretty decent recovery speed, don't you? Oh, I forgot, you don't know anyone that fast, so you wouldn't know... And if you take a look at the Poly game, he recovered quite well on a corner route to deflect the pass... If you can recover on POLY, I think you can recover on many in the country. I'm glad you seem to be able to read though. To be able to quote those critiques is quite impressive. You're doing Hooked on Phonics proud.

Cover None all that may be true and in fact I believe most of those assessments are on point but what makes him a punk? You never addressed that, and kind of wish you didn't but since you brought it up, what did Price ever do to you personally to warrant your comments?

If that's what helps you sleep at night. Or you can face facts.

Per Scout, Inc:
...lacks physicality and upper-body strength.

...struggles playing off-man and mirroring receivers in front of him. Elongated lower-body hinders sharp stops-start and lateral foot-quickness shadowing receivers in and out of their breaks. High pedal impedes his plant and drive skill out of his pedal breaking underneath.

...Main concern is lack of great recovery speed and burst when receivers slip behind him.

Sounds to me like Skippy and the staff took a flyer on a track kid. As of now, this kid is no football stud.

As stated before, just a punk that runs fast.

Yeah, it's hard to rack up the stats when NO ONE will throw at you!

Per Maxpreps:

38 taclkes (3.5 per game)
1 int. (0.1 per game)
2 pass def. (0.19 per game)

You are right about one thing. This prima donna isn't bringing much to UCLA.

WOW! There are some jealous people in the world! He'll take all he doesn't have over to UCLA in the PAC-10 and make it happen! And continue to make AMAT proud! YOU BUM!

Price is fast, but he's also a no class bum. And if you think he's going to be a footballer then you're fooling yourself. Track star/prima donna at best.

Did you even see the guy try to play football? He plays corner in a cover-3 zone and gives a 9 yard cushion and he STILL gets beat deep. And forget about Price making a hit. He's much too soft to even try that.
Price is just a punk that runs fast. Nothing more.

Yuban all that work and all you prove is you're a moron!

yuban, PLEASE! You are a moron... Don't you see that Sheldon's time is the next fastest NOT WIND AIDED! Just like the rest of the valley, always looking for a crutch! Sheldon had the 2nd fastest LEGAL time in California. Name someone else in the valley that can make that claim. Trust me, you can't!

2009 Outdoor
CA State Elites

B-100
Event Rank Mark By Meet
B-100 1 10.30 Carroll, Randall (2009) ( Cathedral, CA) (DS#4) CA Del Rey League, 2009-05-07 w(1.7)
B-100 WIND 10.37 Dyce, Maxwell (2009) ( Moorpark, CA) Ventura County Champs, 2009-05-01 w(4.3)
B-100 WIND 10.48 Middlebrooks, Kyle (2010) ( Fountain Valley, CA) Orange County Champs, 2009-04-25 w(2.3)
B-100 WIND 10.49 Jackson, Kenny (2009) ( Elsinore, CA) CA SS Divisional Finals, 2009-05-23 w(2.7)
B-100 2 10.51 Price, Sheldon (2009) ( Bishop Amat, CA) (DS#40) CA SS Divisional Finals, 2009-05-23 w(2)
B-100 2 10.51 Dyce, Maxwell (2009) ( Moorpark, CA) (DS#40) Mt SAC Relays, 2009-04-18 w(0)
B-100 4 10.52 Jackson, Kenny (2009) ( Elsinore, CA) (DS#47) CA Statemeet-Prelims, 2009-06-05 w(1.5)
B-100 4 10.52 Saseun, Charles (2009) ( Rancho Cucamonga, CA) (DS#47) Baseline League Finals, 2009-05-08 NWI
B-100 6 10.54 Middlebrooks, Kyle (2010) ( Fountain Valley, CA) (DS#57) CA Statemeet-Prelims, 2009-06-05 w(1.5)
B-100 7 10.55 Cooks, Joe (2009) ( Mission Hills, CA) (DS#61) Jaguar Invite, 2009-04-18 NWI
B-100 WIND 10.56 Carter, Tevin (2010) ( Santee, CA) CA Statemeet-Prelims, 2009-06-05 w(2.2)
B-100 8 10.57 Love, Vontrell (2009) ( Hanford West, CA) (DS#66) Patriot Games, 2009-04-24 NWI
B-100 WIND 10.57 Bigelow, Brendon (2011) ( Central, CA) CA North Area Finals, 2009-05-13 w(4.3)
B-100 WIND 10.59 Jordan, Jamison (2010) ( Rio Mesa, CA) Ventura County Champs, 2009-05-01 w(4.3)
B-100 9 10.59 Atkinson, George (2011) ( Granada, CA) (DS#75) CA Statemeet-Prelims, 2009-06-05 w(1.4)
B-100 10 10.60 Dunlap, Chris (2009) ( Muir, CA) (DS#84) Pacific League Finals, 2009-05-08 NWI
B-100 10 10.60 Thomas, De'Anthony (2011) ( Crenshaw, CA) (DS#84) CA LA Sectional Finals, 2009-05-29 w(1.3)

Not quite 2nd in State?

typical amat public school hater, ignorant and envious in equal measure. check and recheck your facts. sheldon price was the second fastest in the state of ca...li...forn..I...a !!!

times are only ranked by wind legal standards....the three fastest times behind carroll's ...(your two thru four) didn't count. sheldon's time stands as the second fastest in the state this year. check dyestat and click CA...100...and see for yourself.

hate to add another ingredient to your hater aide but put in too scoops of stupid and three scoops of crow feathers with a dash of "duh"....and drink it all down.... every last drop !.... i'm sure you've done that before !

gulp...gulp...gulp...

now don't you feel better?

go hate for price at the rose bowl and see what that will get you

Price was 7th in State with a time of 10.77...not quite the 2nd fastest kid in the State! Typical AMAT comment!

FRED, ANY INFO ON THE COVINA CLASSIC, WHEN IS IT, WHAT ARE THE SCHEDULES? DO U KNOW IF THE BRAVES ARE IN IT?

GO BRAVES !!!!

I am just happy Hags learned his lessons from last year and let the best players go both ways. Hell it now turns out he had the second fastest kid in the state on the team and did not let him (price)and others (prito, maffie, johnson) play more offense until the playoff game which of course was too late. Boy maybe our offense would not have struggled to score as much as they did. We could have used more speed at wideout and alternating in the backfield. If they can play let them play. Kudos for trying to right that ship this year but we could have gone deeper in 09 using all of our studs.

Kingstud, For all you know those posts could be coming from the same two or three idiots, but way to go, perpetuate the hate. Although I do not happen to be a Raider fan, not all Raider fans are a part of Raider Nation.....some are just fans. Keep stirring the pot. GO AMAT!

Fruit.
Ironic you would chose a cereal name for your post. All I did was point out that someone was bashing your QB and I have news for you. From what I have read on this blog there seems to be that element from your school. You can deny it all you want but it exists. As I stated before there good people on this blog from Amat but from the comments below they seem to drown out the good ones. By the way the Sears called and that Raider flag you ordered has come in now and you can pick it up anytime!!

Kingstud et al,
Enough with the Amat Nation Bullcrap! You're the only "Lame" that keeps that reference alive. Amat Nation has been, shall we say....retired. The Amat "Family" is still the predominant faction in the support of Bishop Amat Athletics and it's individual players and families that make up the aforementioned "FAMILY". People like you and the other two or three, calloused fingered, bloodshot eyed hate bloggers are the reason that threads of distaste keep finding life! Hate all you want, but you know in the end....Amat will shine, shine, Amat will shine...Go big Blue! And, Our Lady Queen of Victory......Love,
The Amat Family :)

u 4tun@t fooz. U bombed & whitewashed mulder & scully's comment. congrats. you should give urdelfs a prickly padonak! the guuurrwu git away again!

MAT,

I guess you're right about bashing one hits the other too, just let the kids play the game I always say. GO BIG BLUE!!!

Bleeds B&G,

Bashing on a players family dad or mom is bashing the kid. I just wish everyone would stay on one side. The kid (rios)can play, the job is Macs and Rio is the next coming. Should it take a twist and Rio is in there over Mac, Hagerty is going with the best person that gives him a chance at winning on that friday nite at all postions, has nothing to do with Dad Mom butt kissing etc. It will all shake out come game one. Good Luck to all Lancers and their families this season.

King, MAT,
Perhaps I'm missing something here but from what I've read, I'm only seeing people bash on Rios dad, maybe I'll go back with a fine tooth comb. Other than that, it seems to be the same ol' BA vs. CO banter that left off from last season. It's nice to see things have started just where we left off.

Anyway, for my 2 cents as I wrote waaaaayy down below, JMac is the man. Rio will be in control in 2010 and 11. My concern was with his time away from practice for baseball.

When it comes to Amat I have to agree some parents get out of hand in here bashing one of their own players, why? because he has talent? Rio, and altho I do not know him or his family is a outstanding athlete. I showed up to watch some playoff baseball games, to Watch the Team but mostly to see what this young gifted athlete was about. He did not dissappoint. I have yet to see him play football at the Varsity level but talent is talent and the QB job is Jerry Mc's to lose. Remember Leinhart was the starter and Jerry took it over and never looked back. Jerry is the QB and deserves the spot unless he proves otherwise. Rio will be put somewhere because you just do not sit talent. Leinhart went to WR last year and was a exceptional punter also. Rio will play and Hags will positions the players based on their talent. I just wish people especially Amat people and parents would not come in here and bash a fellow Amat player / family. No need for that we are one family with the common goal, and that is to bring home wins and possibly championships. Altho we are on a nice road with Hagerty and things look very good, we also play in a tough competitive league. Bashing coming from CO,Los Altos, SHHS, or whoever else is all good competitive feeling but Amat fans and family, stay loyal to each other, these are teens that go the extra mile for their school when it comes to the gridiron. From the real:MATMTWTBAG

Yeah, but google wouldn't help them tend to those lumps they'd take by playing outside the valley!

Last year is was Charter Oak fans.

The year before, it was South Hills fans.

The year before that, it was Los Altos and West Covina fans.

Everyone wants a piece of Bishop Amat...especially during passing league season! lmao!

To CO fans:

I wanted to let you all know that there are actually other high profile football programs out there that you could all schedule! IM NOT JOKING! THERE ARE! You may have to travel outside the Valley though. IT"S OK! DO NOT PANIC! GOOGLE MAPS WILL GET YOU HOME SAFELY!

After my nightly 6-pack of Tecate Light, I sleep great.

No one is innocent. #3 still sucks.

Deal with it.

blindman watching, maybe i single out a nice boy and his family....

think about that statement for a while

there is no maybe about it... anything goes as long as you stir the pot and have people arguing and attacking each other for your personal enjoyment

you give each side enough to defend and enough to get angry about and watch things get out of hand and then sometimes even convince Fred he should set in.....to the mess you started....and every one falls for it time and again

you say...maybe i did single out a nice kid and his family....how do you sleep at night?

Just sayin'

You still can not speak to your own team. Every post you make is a CO bash. Like your limp wrist Lancers, you are a joke.

To: Everyone Concerned:

After being informed about this blog and reading all of the things that have been written, we wanted to set the record straight that this is the FIRST and hopefully last blog we have made. Many negative and hurtful statements have been made and we want it known that we ABSOLUTELY DID NOT post these blogs. Our family is full of AMAT Alumni and anyone who knows our family knows that we would not do this. We do not agree that we are a cancer or that the coaches were scared to death during spring training, however everyone is entitled to their opinion. We appreciate the blogs made in our son's defense but we truly hope this stops today. Our son has no problems with anyone on his team or in school for that matter, and we would hope it to stay that way.

GO AMAT!

Facts just facts!-did a Glendora guy with some interest in charter Oak really play the "recruiting card" GHS basketball championships are not exactly built on home-grown talent. Murrays form Pasadena, Jacobsens from Crescenta Valley, Bechler forom Upland, Smith from West Covina. Add to that Lee from Duarte, Roberts from Charter Oak, Gordien form Claremont, etc, etc, etc. Public schools recruit just as much or more than private schools. And CO has that 210 pipeline going for them - and then some. CO as a "medium" school has 500+ more students than Amat. You're making the point. CO is a great school at a lower level. Just because of that-they can't come on and proclaim to be better because as you said they absolutely can't compete at that level consistently. So how does that make them better?

Ah yes. You know its almost football season when the CO vs BA comments heat up. I am suprised about the comments from some of you Amat fans. Bashing the QB? Come on Amat fans we expect more out of you. Then again maybe this is coming from "Amat Nation" that exists and that good people like Amat73 and Joe Amat have tried to stop. By the way where is Joe Amat? An Amat thread with no comments from him is like a hot dog without a bun!!

low bridge...you are correct in a sense that I possibly singled out a nice boy and a good athlete, but where were you when that "family" names names...Mr. Ruiz I'm sure LHAO about how people talk about him, but when it comes to negatively addressing him and his son, where is your motherly stance then, why are you not quick to chastise them as oppossed to my comments...you must be related or too close to # 3...This Blog has gotten too ridiculous to even read anymore...with people attacking families and kids with just lies...Fred take this down before someone physically gets hurt...feelings are one thing but it's getting way too personal

just sayin',

I appreciate you response and empathize with your lack of success consistently. Remember I'm a Glendora fan myself and sometimes we look invincible and other times we look vunerable ie. Upland games over the past few years.

A year from now we go to the Baseline League which quite frankly means we'll go from being average to below average probably but at least Charter Oak will move into the Sierra League which means they will go from being at the top to probably closer to the bottom.

There never is any parity anymore. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. No more middle class so to answer your question success feels so much better than failure so yes I would rather be the best of the average because this is just my opinion again but at Bishop Amat your allowed to recruit and there is no excuse for you not having the best athletes in the Valley and winning at the highest level you have been there before so you should still be there now and at Charter Oak for them to be success at a public school with a limited school population meaning a medium size school nothing upsets me more than to have to read every Saturday morning every year more and more success but I respect that they have maintained that success now for so many years. God, that pains me to say that but that's the truth.

Now do I think Charter Oak can compete with your league and division absolutely not consistently but their not suppose to because you can't ask a medium size school to play above and beyond their limitations where your potential is endless given you have no boundaries and kids should want to play at the highest level which then begs you said so yourself:

"While Amat has been average among the best."

Why have you been average among the best for so many years now and not that everybody else is better than us obviously that but why is that you have gone from being at the top to closer to the bottom?

blind men watching---
Rudy threatens to take his kid elsewhere if he doesn't get the proper playing time. Yes he does have influence over USAbaseball --again the perks will keep coming because of the fact people keep giving them--you ever hear Rudy at a game, practice or whatever putting other kids down to pump his kid up. His kid never makes a mistake, a short pass is the receivers fault etc. a stikeout is the umpires fault it goes on and on..its a sad day when a grown man has to criticize 15 year old kids all-the-freakin-time..it's gets tired...open your ears too, you'll hear him...

How many of CO's opponenets were in their division?

How many of Amat's opponents were in their division?

This argument is only valid id Amat had teh ability to ove up equal divisions and test themselves in a similar fashion to what they are asking other schols to do.

For example. If CO is consiered a Middle or Welterweight than beating a heavy weight would be a great accomplishment. Hoyfield comes to mind moving up in weight.

No one would argue that Amat is a legit and seasoned Heavyweight and teh only test the have is to play other Heavyweights from other parts of eth country. What is Amat's record there? Didn't they play De La Salle a couple of times or maybe an out of state game?

I think it's one or maybe two bloggers who's throwing eggs at teh Amat caravan and provolikng Lancers to over react and respond in less than championship form...and that has always been the intended purpose of throwing thos eeggs.

Divisions matter but only to the school that moves up. Seriously why are we having this discussion when Amat was in a similar boat in baseball and pleaded CIF did it to us.

Blindmen watching,

are you an Amat Alumni? I see you've lowered yourself to protect the school, the program and the players and in doing so you attacked an innocent fellow Lancer and current student. I'm sure you believe you did nothing more than put the Dad in his place when you attacked his son but then I read in your cmment that you're really not certain who attacked the Ruiz family when you ask, who ever you are...Granmpa, cousin, uncle ect ?

There is no place to attack a player so viciously just because some one else has done the same, especially if you're not willing to leave your name or the blogger's identify is uncertain.

This type of player's head for player's head and family reputation for family reputation is just plain disgusting and paints Amat as no more than a territorial gang.

Try and conduct your outrage in person for everyone's benefit.

Good day.

Facts just facts! -
Why haven't you won a C.I.F. Championship since 1995?
-because we compete in THE best division in the NATION by most accounts and we have not been at that level consistently
Charter Oak has been extremely successful at their level while in the last almost 15 years you haven't been just as successful at your level.
I am not comparing teams but simply trying to say Bishop Amat to make a sound argument not comparing apples to oranges regardless before you can criticize Charter Oak for WINNING why have you been mediocre and failed to win at a high level for over a decade now.
-Usually when someone says"not comparing apples to oranges-they are about to. This is not about CO being criticized for winning nearly as much as Amat being criticized for not. You said it best when you said "at their level" that means don't try to compare success "at that level" with with teams performance at a much higher level. Amat has been mediocre at a high level for the same reason that CO has been winning at a mediocre level.
Why has Charter Oak had an extreme amount of success and Bishop Amat has had an extreme amount of failure in the past decade?
-because they play teams at a much lower level of competition and compared to THAT level of competition they have come out on top. They are the best of the average. While Amat has been average among the best.
I continue to ask you a question-which would YOU rather be? The best of the average or average among the best?
Answer that question please.

Bishop Amat loyalists,

Why haven't you won a C.I.F. Championship since 1995?

Charter Oak has been extremely successful at their level while in the last almost 15 years you haven't been just as successful at your level.

I am not comparing teams but simply trying to say Bishop Amat to make a sound argument not comparing apples to oranges regardless before you can criticize Charter Oak for WINNING why have you been mediocre and failed to win at a high level for over a decade now.

Why has Charter Oak had an extreme amount of success and Bishop Amat has had an extreme amount of failure in the past decade?

Answer the questions that are being posed to you please!

COFAN4LIFE,
You are ignorant. Each season is a different team. Each season there are different outcomes. BA beat CO a couple of times. Does that mean they own CO forever? NO. Just like LA beat CO for a few years, but now CO owns the winning streak.
I doubt you are a Charger fan - probably a hater/poser. It rally doesn't matter. Your ignorance speaks volumes.

Sad and confused...Let me clarify what the rest of us see...your little mijo # 3 QB is just not good enough...your a cancer, do all us lancer truehearts a favor and transfer, please, maybe # 3 could start at Bassett, or Nogales or workman...he had the coaches to himself all spring and he scared the crap out of the staff...When Jerry and Rio were finished with baseball they came in and immediately put a smile and a big sigh of relief back on their faces...they are just a class above athletes, so why hate, not even C. Rix can save #3 so save your money...What kind of pure hater idiot gets on a blog after midnight just to bash a Dad...Rudy is not an Alumni, christ is isn't even a booster (never seen him at meetings), he is just a Dad that works very hard with his son and has for years and years to get him ready for this moment to be able to compete at the highest level...what is wrong with that... he never met Hag's before, never seen him hanging in his office and doesn't really know the other coaches from anywhere else...Yes he is visible at practice, so are other parents who pick up there kids, who don't drive yet...Do you think Team USA is under Rudy's influence, is it possible that Rudy has his influence to make is son chosen by the USA government, that he somehow can talk the entire committee to make Rio a possible 3 time USA selection @ 15... How about you Granmps/Dad/Uncle/Cousin who the hell you are, get off your asses and go to work with your kids and quit blaming everybody else for your son not being a starter...There are 22 spots open on the field go work to earn a spot, quit whining about everything else and making every excuse why your mijo is not getting a chance...All I see is a very talented kid working his ass off in practice everyday to try to make a difference and to lead by example that there are no short cuts to success, only hard work...Mix in his talent and is work ethic and you know why Rio gets alot of Pub from this paper...a trait I'm sure was "influenced" by his Dad.

Please Charter Oak CHARGER fans.

I got love for you all but STOP embarrassing the rest of us. I hate Bishop and their snobby fans but I know that they beat us when they were down a few years back.The awful truth is that we dont play anyone near who Bishop plays. I think we could and win but we havent. It doesnt make sense how any CHARGER person could say anything different. All I know is that we won CIF and no one noticed. We won CIF and had no players get scholarships. We have to step up!!!

Amat vs. Diamond Ranch = One of worst games Amat played last season in regards to offensive plays, big time penalties, and turnovers.

Charter Oak vs. Diamond Ranch I. = CO played a good game against Diamond Ranch, statistically speaking. They accomplished what Bishop Amat could not.

Yet, the score from both games was the same???

Draw your own conclusions.

Rudy may not donate anything but whatever he does to those coaches he does it well. Agreed that Rio is a great ball player but it should be a fair playing field, not based on all the brown nosing his father does. Expected it from Nieto but never from Hagerty, what a shame!

I think you wrote "The OLu win was an early season fluke, characterized by freak plays and fumbles." Any game bad calls happen both ways. I could find a half dozen in the DR game on each side. In your opinion freak plays & fumbles are lucky when they happen in Amats favor but when it's against Amat it's weak and lacking mental toughess? Coming back against OLu was lucky but when Poly comes back it's Amat's not acting like champions? Still talking outta both sides of your @$$!

shocked and saddened,

you need not worry Rudy Ruiz donates nothing -- nothing, he is the tighest tight wad you've ever met, he isn't lining anyones pockets i can guarantee that--HE FEELS ITS A PRIVLEDGE for any team to have his son and insists on getting comp'd. The sorry thing is, EVERYONE falls for it. Yes his son is good but he keeps getting all the perks because everyone keeps giving them..........

Executing in the clutch, like converting long 4th downs, is different than benefiting from bad calls. Perhaps if you team was mentally tougher, they wouldn't give up such plays. But that's to be expected from a 3rd place wild card team. I wouldn't be right to expect them to play or behave like champions.

Wow 121 hits, and all Amat and CO honks. Fred your Mom must be proud.

Comparing CO wins against Amat 7-4 is like comparing WNBA Detroit Shock wins to NBA LA Clippers . DI vs DV. Same sport, different opponents, different on all levels, faster, harder hitting, better, bigger and more well respected opponents, more D1 and college bound players etc.

Of course CO fans will never know what that's like because they will never schedule The Poly's, Mater Dei's, Loyolas, Crespi's, Olu's, Oaks Christian, St. Bonnies....should I go on? And you want respect? You might as well schedule Workman or La Puente.

Interesting that you say St Francis had no "quality wins' and were only 6-5. You have avoided playing the record card with CO opponents (the best win 5-6 Etiwanda?) St Francis beat Crescenta Valley, CO's 2nd round opponent, So I suppose after COs weak regular season you're saying that the 2nd round win was not quality either? Then your semifinal opponent, Rowland, only beat Burroughs by a point. St Francis dropped them 30-5. So the semifinal opponent must not have been quality either? You wouldn't say that playoff teams in COs tough division are "quality"? Of course SF also beat El Rancho, who played Pioneer tit-for-tat, so we agree on the quality of those kinds of wins? And St Paul isn't a quality program. They'd beat CO by two touchdowns, or more.
If you're going to play the luck/fluke card - 4th and long conversions in the final minutes of the of the Osos and Poly games could just as easily be considered flukes. You can't have it both ways. That means it was a fluke that Amat wasn't 9-2 with an upset over the #1 team in the nation? According to your luck/fluke theory-yes.
CO got an incomplete vs Rancho - because we don't know what would happen in OT. If you remember Rancho TIED Osos in regulation too. They just finished the game. And I would hardly call a 24-20 loss with our backup QB on that 4th and long "not being able to hang".
Finally your LB Poly comment just MAY be the most hilarious sentence ever written on this blog.

Amat will have two preseason spots open next year. Hagerty will probably schedule an OC team and SGV team. CO through Glen Martinez will get the call then all you loudmouths from Amat and CO will STFU. You don't play on the field. You are just internet nerds.

my mistake, CO didn't play Upland last season

Bishop Amat's last C.I.F. Championship was in 1995 which means 13 years ago and Charter Oak's last C.I.F. Championship was in 2008 which means 7 months ago. Regardless of division, league, or opponents Charter Oak in over a decade has had more TEAM SUCCESS than Bishop Amat! Thus why the best schools and best athletes compete at public schools instead of private schools in our Valley.

Actually, Bishop Amat's best football players are better baseball players which means if Bishop Amat's baseball team wasn't having the success they were having Bishop Amat's football team would even being failing worse than what they are and that is a mediocre above .500, at best tied for first place in league, get beat in the first round football program.

Now the truth is I am a Glendora fan myself so I have no argument to bring to the table as far as this debate is concerned and usually am not a supporter of Charter Oak but if Bishop Amat fans detach themselves emotionally from this rant and stop always discussing the past and pray for a better future maybe then just then would people respect you instead of be sick and tired of your nonsense.

CO would do no worse than Amat against Poly. After all, Amat barely escaped DR at home with the benefit of a blown fumble call by the official, while CO made short work of them twice last season.

As far as Osos goes, CO tied the league champ, what makes you think that they would lose to the 2nd place team from the same league? Other than a victory over a 4 win Rancho team TWO YEARS AGO, Amat continues to prove that they can't hang with the athletes in the IE, thus the loss to Etiwanda. The fact that I gave Amat a win over Upland is GENEROUS.

The OLu win was an early season fluke, characterized by freak plays and fumbles. The Crespi victory was a farce, as Jerry's knee was obviously down on the 2-pt. conversion.

Quit thumping your chest like St. Francis is any good. They were a 6-5 team with no quality wins. Crespi went winless in league and finished last place. Are we supposed to be impressed?

As far as Rancho TWO years ago vs. Rancho LAST year(you know, the year we're talking about) your Amat arrogance shines through. Do you really think that Amat is the only team that can improve over a year? By the way, those kids that lost to Amat TWO YEARS AGO will be seniors NEXT SEASON.

I know you're having trouble admitting it, but Amat's return to glory was characterized by luck, fluke, and overrated opponents. Amat's 7-4 wild card run was no better than CO's title run. In fact, it was inferior. No past glory or games will ever change that fact.

Amat does have a nice history and heritage, though. I can see why you like talking about the past.

And then Amat ends up losing in the final to CO...

3rd place will shine tonight-now I know that you're delusional and haven't actually seen these teams play. CO goes 5-6 if they're fortunate enough to get by St Francis - and that's not a given by any means. It is funny that you stopped at 9-1 and left out a prediction against LB Poly. I think you knew better. LB Poly is to CO as CO is to Pioneer... and it might not be that close. Same could be said for OLu, Crespi, and Loyola. They might tie Los Osos though - that's if if Osos didn't want to play the OT!
Lose to Etiwanda? Clearly that shows you come from the CO school of success. Etiwandas 5 wins came against teams with a combined record of 11-40! And Charter Oak snuck by them by a FG? Great effort.Rancho? So in Amats very worst year of 3-7 they beat Rancho, but the next year when Amat's infinitely better-they lose?Like I said-delusional. With COs schedule Amat runs the table-as they should.

Wait a minute Not Shining,

You forgot to add in all the moral victories.

Last 3 years Bishop Amat 15-16 Charter Oak 33-6-2. Now tell me whose the better program the last few years? Should be obvious even to the blind Amat fans.

no way they would go 9-1 against this years schedule or last years schedule

Amat would go 8-2 with losses to Rancho and Etiwanda.

CO would go 9-1 losing to ND.

We agree that "in those games" there is no statistical difference. Tell me this since you're into comparisons - what is Amat's record vs CO's schedule, and what would COs record vs Amats schedule be?

Again I agree with you. There is not any significant difference between CO and Amat football.

and BTW if you are going to compare scores - at least get the scores correct. The score was Amat 17 DR-6 (not 9)

Not at all. But Is there really a statistical significant difference between 23-7 & 17-6 (especially when Amat chose not to score at the end after a long drive)? If so is it more significant than Amat beating Damien 47-24 compared to a 42-21 defeat to the Chargers. No. Not significant enough to make any conclusion other than both matchups were similar.

Let me get this straight:

Comparing scores in the same season is less meaningful than comparing a score from a different season? You're really reaching here.

I think you got it right the first time: "Of course those that come out on the bottom end of that - never like to admit it."

Nice one. Although the comparative score comment was in response to a post by Abstract Art??? who said:
"Last year DHS vs CO 14-42 and BA beat DHS by a similar score". It was really referring to No Artist talking about the "transitive property" (A beat B so B beats C) He was talking about wins not point differential
But I still stand by that if the scores are far different.
I also believe 23-6 & 17-6 taking a knee thrice on the 9 is a similar score.
Now a comparison not so similar would be something like the incomplete "tie" vs Rancho Cucomonga compared to Amats single worst team a year ago (3-7) beating them 23-7. Now THAT'S really different

just sayin' said:

"comparative scores are appropriate and tell you alot"

Amat 17
DR 9

CO 23
DR 7

CO 30
DR 14

"Of course those that come out on the bottom end of that - never like to admit it."

Great points just sayin'! I completely agree!

What I would like to hear from the CO Honks is how many Scholar Athletes are on your football team?

How many players getting 3.5 or higher for four years straight?

This would be like our score against you on the field.. LMAO

Brad-Orange Lutheran, Crespi, and St Francis are all better than anyone on COs schedule. It appears their best regular season win is a tie. Are those comparative scores really that different? Forty-something to Twenty-something against Damien? Amat had subs on the field the whole 2nd half too? Then Amat took a knee three times on Diamond Ranch 9 yd line with 1st & Goal and 1:40 to go.If they punched that in to make it 24-6, would you be more impressed? I'm more impressed they chose not to!

Brad,

Don't you know? Common opponent scores only count if they benefit Amat. Get with the program around here. ;)

co cupcake wins are meaningless.
you right, were not very good right now and havent been the 3 years, that is the diferrence between you and I, ill admit it when there are teams and programs playing better, try it sometime!!!
and to answer your question,
la won 4 cif titles in the last ten years.
how about you?

Interesting that while touting their schedule the Bishop Amat bloggers overlook that last season they played two common opponents with Charter Oak...Damien and Diamond Ranch. And, BA beat Damien 47-24 and DR 17-6 with CO beating Damien 42-21 (with mostly reserves on the field for the 3rd & 4th quarter) and DR 23-7 and 30-14 (again with mostly reserves playing at the end in both games). From, these common opponent scores, how can anyone at Amat argue that they were better than CO??? Are you better because you LOST to some bigger name programs? If CO played these schools and LOST then they'd just be losers...just like BA. Hey BA, would being a loser to a common opponent make CO and BA equal???...stupid reasoning, isn't it??? In the end, all that matters is who you BEAT and not who you LOST to.

R2D2,

You are not part of the relevant SGV HS football equation any more. What has Los Altos done lately?

CO fans,

Don't be dillusional, didn't your 12-1 record against mediocre teams and cream puffs won the respect by the LA times? Yeah right.

This blog is very entertaining to see who is better between Bishop and Charter Oak. How about these questions do you think Charter Oak will still dominate in league once they join the sierra or will Bishop win league in the next couple of years so they can show their dominance in the pac 5. In my view I believe that Bishop had a good season last year but I believed that it was the year that belong to Charter Oak.(since they did win a CIF title)

Now that was last year how about this year. It can be anybody's year, but we won't be able to know until the pads are on. Can any body tell me how some of the other valley teams or valley opponets are doing in passing leagues? So, I can get a little idea how some of the other teams are performing. How about teams from the sierra, baseline, montview or the Valle Vista leagues?

Amat loves you La Puente.

You are our home and we will defend you against all that invade.

You will shine tonight...

SLAP THEM OC BRATS BISHOP!!!!!!!!!!!!

This IS the best of San Gabriel Valley football...

http://vimeo.com/3011452

@#$%@#$ Orange County!!

MATMTWTBAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

he had his chance to impress all through spring ball,neither of the others were there. He probably did not impress

Maybe we could clone Rio? WHAT? Why doesn't Hagerty just concentrate on working with ALL the QB's he has instead of only 2. Jerry M. did a great job last year no doubt, but what about the junior QB, seems he's not getting as many reps anymore, wouldn't want him to show up "The Great One" right Rudy! Someone said Hagerty keeps a position open and the best man gets the job, thats funny it seems he has taken one of those QB's out of the race, wonder why? Rudy must have pulled a few of Hagerty's strings

CO's Identity Crisis.

CO plays in a weak league but that's not their fault.

La Habra plays in a relatively weak league also. But, to compensate, the Highlanders schedule a couple of PAC5 teams each year along with South Hills. They usually lose to the PAC5, but they're competitive and they're closing the gap.

South Hills starts the 09 season against Ayala, La Habra & Tesoro...nice workout.

CO starts 09 against Gardena, University (The Southbay's equivalent to Bassett & Ganesha) and Diamond Bar....what? A nice steady diet of Tomato Cans.

If CO would schedule a couple of PAC5 teams each season they would gain more credibility with their supporters, and yes, even their haters.

C'mon CO....step up!!

Just when it seemed Neito (Amat's head baseball coach) was the only one Rudy Ruiz was able to control with his ass kissing and donations, along comes Hagerty and falls under the Rudy Ruiz spell too. Thought you were better than that Hagerty, your just another one of Rudy's puppets.

Charter Oak vs. Long Beach Poly

Charter Oak vs. Sherman Oaks Notre Dame

Charter Oak vs. Crespi

Charter Oak vs. Mater Dei

Charter Oak vs. LMFAO!

Amat never dodged CO the higher ups at Co turned down the offer, then came back when Amat had a game in the works. Saying Amat is scared of CO when they scheduled St. Bonnie, who Co would never dream of scheduling. I do agree with one thing we have not returned to glory, 7-4 is a good start but we need to take back the Serra league title. Winning league is the main focus of this team and everything else isn't relevant until we take back what is ours. Co is a good team, but is it wants people to respect them they have to improve their schedule strength.

OK Charter Oak fans!!!

Lets put this argument to rest shall we???

Who or what was the last Pac-5 team or equivalent (maybe Div-2 or Div-3) that Charter Oak has actually scheduled within the past 10 years in their preseason?

Of course....this would exclude Bishop Amat...

well?

well?

LMFAO!!!!!!

Champs of what man????

Defeating Diamond Ranch???

ROTFLMFAO!!!!

Please research the history of Southern California High School football before you run your ignorant mouth.

Let's not confuse the view of CO fans with one man's crusade.

CO is a fine team with a storied staff and should be respected as such.

BA has their pride and last year had a Return To Glory by any stretch of the imagination.

Both teams have their eyes on bigger things than blogger dominance.

Try to not get sucked in to this bogus debate based on antagonizing verbage.

Both are in for seasons with high expectations and atrgets on their backs...the SGV should embrace them both.

Hate to say it but maybe it's time for a list!!!!!!

How many former Amat players are there that dominated their new leagues and new competition.

Mc Bride and Wells we all know about....and then there is Sermons right?

Not to bring up the past but I do recall many original Amat bloggers complaining about unused lower level talent that Verti would ignore...those players are this years seniors and last years juniors and seniors.

Anyone know how many D1 athletes wre in those two classes?

This ought to befun....

Funny that an Amat fan should bring up honor. The basis of this thread has to do with the arrogant chest thumping of Lancer fans. Remember it is the Amat faithful that declare themselves 'Defenders of SGV football'. Arrogant and Honorable do not go together. Eat your humble pie and maybe you'll be able to claim some honor for strong efforts. But Amat fans choose to brag about your moral victories. So cling to the 'so close' and 'almost got 'em' efforts if it helps you sleep at night. But those efforts are not grounds to demand honor. Only Champs can demand honor.

You're not the champs and you dodge the only CIF champ in the SGV. But at least you try really hard.

Jesus, my good people...

Bishop lost to one of the highest ranked teams in the United States of America in Long Beach Poly by 4 points.

Bishop led 10-0 at halftime.

I really do not understand how anyone can argue or compare. If you are going to make such an argument, please provide evidence of a greater claim.

Is it so hard to see such honor?

Has San Gabriel Valley football sank so low as to judge the worth of a program based solely on a win/loss record?

Shut up fools guy

Again from an earlier post, there's a word for teams that amlost win big games. LOSERS.

7-4 (but really, really close to 11-0) deal with it.

Just Sayin'

You still fail to address the issue and revert to bashing CO. I'll just assume that you have no answer.

Enjoy the blue Kool Aid.

rgd2626 -all I know is when Amat's 3rd and 4th stringers can go to one of those "top schools" in the valley that won league champions and stuff like that and some become starters and others, ike McBride, tear up competition (when he was Amats 3rd or 4th option) that says all we need to know about comparing the programs. Of course, we'll never know for sure because Gonad-less would never schedule them. Wells gets forced to leave and goes from being pretty good in the Pac5 and transforms into "Marcus Allen" against South Hills competition. If you look at it objectively, it should be pretty apparent even to an over-the-hill coach like you.

You all know what burns Amat fans the most?

the fact the the Los Osos game as well as the Long Beach Poly game were decided by one...

ONE ONE ONE...

Play.

Mighty Are The Men That Wear The Blue & Gold.

Fruit Bowl Jones-apparently you don't read. Here's a a few-starting form the bottom,
"Say what you want to say about Charter Oak but their program from top to bottom just looked and feeled different from the other schools."
"even I know they're the best team in the SGV!"
"i think what happened was everyone found out why bishop amat decided to pass on CO this year"
"Which team sounds like they're holding on to 'dreams of glory': CO are undefeated CIF champs or Amat 7-4 bounced in the first round."
Should I go on? So that claim was made several times on this thread and countless other places. Hence the debate. There was NO debate when they played in back to back years. But Charter Oak chose to not renew that series. Logic and facts say Amat is the better program. Your definition of better is piling up wins against a regular season opponents that were 25-65. Amat's definition is trying to play your best against the best.
And THAT is the point.

just sayin
Did your parents really spend that kind of money on your high school education and you turn out like this?
its called dignity
its call class
its called respect
and you show none
guess they didnt teach those classes
by the way
go ask some of the alum from the early 70's about what you guys are writing

hey fred
why dont you have an article about high school football in the last ten years,
you know, league champions, cif titles
stuff like that.

LOL!!!

Your welcome my friend FR...

you're welcome.

And thank you for keeping the fire lit.

@$@#$^%&#$^ the Inland Empire and the OC!!!!

SGV!!!!

Allow me to repeat an earlier post:

Stay on point. This is NOT about CO claiming to be the best in the SGV. That claim has not been made on this thread or else where. This IS about Amat claiming to be the best in the SGV while dodging the only CIF champ in the area.

Please address this point.

Do you have an answer for this or not?

BA or CO for SGV title ?

Certain CO fan(s) need a sobering dose of reality.

I like CO and make it to a least a couple of their games each season.

But let's be sensible, if CO played BA's schedule do you believe they would win 7 games?

I don't have a crystal ball, but I doubt CO would go toe-to-toe with LB Poly.

During last years championship run CO played the likes of Bell Gardens, La Crescenta & Rowland Heights...Uh, not exactly Football Powerhouses.

BA's non-playoff schedule ;OLU, Sherman Oaks ND, LB poly etc...

Until CO schedules some REAL teams, we'll never know how good -or not so good- they really are.

BA or CO for SGV title ?

Certain CO fan(s) need a sobering dose of reality.

I like CO and make it to a least a couple of their games each season.

But let's be sensible, if CO played BA's schedule do you believe they would win 7 games?

I don't have a crystal ball, but I doubt CO would go toe-to-toe with LB Poly.

During last years championship run CO played the likes of Bell Gardens, La Crescenta & Rowland Heights...Uh, not exactly Football Powerhouses.

BA's non-playoff schedule ;OLU, Sherman Oaks ND, LB poly etc...

Until CO schedules some REAL teams, we'll never know how good -or not so good- they really are.

rgd2626-you mean kinda like how the NCAA decides BCS rankings and distributes bowl bids? Ask Utah, BoiseSt, TCU, Hawaii,etc. Even when BoiseSt went undefeated with the Big OU win - they finished behind Florida, Ohio St and 2 loss LSU and two loss USC.

Did you here the latest?
next year in the nfl, theres going to be no super bowl,instead of the team that has the best record, the team that had the so-called tougher schedule will be declared the champ !!!

Just Sayin'

Why do you answer every question about Amat by bashing CO? Can you not deal with your own team's issues?

Another point of View

You are somewhat correct. But the two issues are linked. Lancer fans being excited by 7-4 is ok. Calling 7-4 'return to glory' is foolish and embarrassing. So the main thrust of the comments should be directed at the bloggers. And for anyone with the championship legacy of Amat, first round exits and moral victories are meaningless. That goes to the coaches and the players.

Is the question on the floor, Amat's 7-4 record is not up to snuff or you hate Amat's arrogance and therefore 7-4 allows you to thumb your nose at them? Are you saying that Amat shoud be better than 7-4, well than the question is by how much? 8-3, 9-2. 10-1, 11-0...which is it. When you step back you'll see Amat was either one or two games away from a great season...even by your standards. Is that as much as you think it is?

Of the four loses which teams should Amat have beaten to stop you tirade?

LB POLY?. Loyola? Crespi? Rancho ? What I would like to know seeing as you're breaking the Lancers down is how ? What did they do wrong?

Not being able to dunk at 5"9" is not the same as not being able to dunk at 6'9" wouldn't you agree?

Hags had one year to change the culture of the team, the expectations of the team and to evaluate players he was unfamiliar with...given all that I think Hags did an exceptional job.

Or maybe your point is misplaced and the battle field is really not on the team and the coaches but with the fans and the bloggers. Now on that battlefield you shoudl bring up actual comments and discuss those specifically...doing otherwise just puts you on nonfactual ground.

Just another point of view.

Stop Sayin'-I made it pretty clear how I feel about 7-4. I'd rather have that than beat a bunch of crappy teams. Honestly. I like to play hardball with the big boys-not whiffle ball with the little kids on the block so I can dominate. but that's just me. You?
Fruit Bowl - it did start with posts claiming superiority and "they're the best team in the SGV!" Start at the bottom and read up.
While not absolute, comparative scores are appropriate and tell you alot (after all, CIF uses them for rankings and seedings). Of course those that come out on the bottom end of that - never like to admit it. Head to head matchups do help more. Kind of a shame CO chose not to renew after losing twice. Would have been nice to continue. WestCo and DR stepped in and took their place. I guess COs gotta wait their turn again.
To tell the truth the people that go to Amat don't want to go 10-0 against the likes of Aliso, Pioneer, Diamond Bar, Damien, Etiwanda, Diamond Ranch, Wilson, Los Altos, Bonita:.They go there to strap 'em up against the Orange Lutherans,Crespis, Loyolas, Notre Dames, LB Polys, St Francis, St Pauls, St Bonaventures, etc. Good wins are great(OLu,Crespi,StFrancis, Damien,etc)but tough losses against the best are OK too.Knowing that you did your best against the best feels like an accomplishment-even when the outcome doesn't go in your favor. They make you better. Even when you come in 3rd. Even when you lose in the final minutes against the #1 team in the country. Maybe even especially then. It hurts and is disappointing-but that hurt/disappointment feels good knowing you were right there. But the poor CO kids will never have that feeling of what it's like to play the best. Playing OK and winning a bunch of games you're supposed to win against a bunch of kids you've played against since you were 8 proves what? It appears thats been productive for the Amat players in preparing them, as far more of them over the years have gone on to play college football than former Chargers. I think they'll take that too.

Just Sayin'

I'm no CO fan or supporter. I'm just an interested observer. Amat arrogance is out of proportion to their recent achievements. 'Defenders of the SGV' or whatever other chest thumping claims you want to make will not make 7-4 go away. And it won't get you out of your 3rd place finish. How many titles did Amat win last season? You were never even close enough to sniff one. You didn't win your league. You didn't win CIF. You didn't even win a single playoff game. If you're happy with that, then you Hags has you all fooled.

Enjoy your blue Kool Aid.

No Artist-Win a game that means something? How about PLAYING a game that means something? Honestly - I'd take 7-3 playing great teams over 10-0 against the regular season schedule that CO plays. What does THAT prove? Seriously-didn't play a team with a winning record until Bonita at game 10? That they're the best? Of what?

Abstract Art Guy,
You are 100% drawing conclusions. Why else put up the score comparison? The problem is that the transitive property does not apply to football. This is an issue that Amat fans struggle to grasp. They want to draw strength from their 'tough/good' losses while putting a discounted value on the CO 'easy/soft' wins.

Just win a game that means something or stop yapping about how great your team is. I mean congrats on beating CO 5 years ago. Back when your qb was going into 8th grade and your rb was the king of his junior high. Try to focus on the PRESENT. 7-4 must really sting.

Damien vs CO 2-2-1 over the past5 years...

Damien vs BA 0-3 over the same period.

To also consider in 05-06 season CO lost to DHS 26-0 while Damien lost to BA 3-31

Last year DHS vs CO 14-42 and BA beat DHS by a similar score.

BA has beat DHS like a drum while CO has a .500 record with one tie, two beat down a piece between the two schools.

I'm not drawing any conclusions but this isn't abstract art where we all see something different and need teh titke for direction...which never helps. The evidence speaks for itself.

BA is still the top dog until CO puts together a bettter resume instead of a good w/l record. Maybe CO will step up and play Mater Dei like West Co does or Oaks Christian like other schools do.

Stay on point. This is NOT about CO claiming to be the best in the SGV. That claim has not been made on this thread or else where. This IS about Amat claiming to be the best in the SGV while dodging the only CIF champ in the area.

Please address this point.

BA vs. CO observations …

CO the best team in the SGV?

Seen a couple CO games last year and they are definitely good team, however they short- change themselves with a soft non-league lineup.

With the downfall of LA, CO’s league is not very challenging.

If CO wants to be considered the best, they must compete against the best…outside of SGV.

If the Chargers don’t like to travel, fine…at least add La Habra & South Hills.

I didn't say you dodged any local team (you must be confusing me for another poster and his points).

You dodged the ISSUE again.

Nothing that you just wrote makes 7-4, a 3rd place finish, and a first round loss a "return to glory." Unless those are the standards that Amat shoots for these days.

Having seen you dodge this point repeatedly leads me to believe that you either don't read what other people are writing before you respond, are having difficulty understanding what you are reading and are unable to respond on point, or you can't respond because Amat has not returned to glory.

Dodging? CO had a series with Amat & cancelled it. Amat asked to schedule they said no (look it up). Amat went out to find another game, and after that was in the works-CO comes back. That;s like an NBA fight where the guy stands behind a teammate sayin', "Hold me back!"Who's dodging. Another game against a SGV team (already have Damien,WestCo,&Diamond Ranch)makes no sense.Dominguez will get them for league ready much better.
Dodge this. Looked it up. How proud are you of those regular season wins over these schools and their regular season records? Aliso:0-10;Pioneer:2-8; Diamond Bar:4-6; Damien:3-7; Etiwanda:5-5; Diamond Ranch:4-6; Wilson:0-10; Los Altos:1-9,& Bonita 6-4(against a similar soft schedule). NO non-league wins against playoff schools? In any division? THAT'S the best the SGV has to offer? What's Amat's record against THAT schedule?

From what I've read here there are a few simple points that Amat supporters (just sayin') are dodging.

I think that the point here is that Amat hasn't won league (yet), hasn't won a playoff game (yet), and is doing some chest thumping over moral victories (poly).

"Glory" at Amat is divisional titles. They don't even have banners for league titles, just CIF champs and runner up finishes.

The main point is: until you win league or a playoff game, lay off the "return to glory" talk, shut up, and get to work. Unless, of course, 7-4 with a first round exit is satisfying to today's Amat fan.

That main premise has nothing to do with how crappy Bonita may be, or how much you think you could have beaten CO by. Such arguments are non sequiturs; they avoid answering the point.

Good one there Just Sayin'. The only difference is that no one at CO or here on this blog is claiming to be 'Defenders of the SGV' or 'The only team in the SGV'. You want to make claims like that, then yet better be willing to play the best team in your own backyard, and Hags ain't willing to do it.

Good try on your part though.

History Buff-Hey smart guy. Turnabout is fair play. Hags has not lost to CO. What is Big Lou's record against Amat?

I agree with what The Real Test said. The QB from Glendora lead them to 4-0 on Friday at bonita's tourny. But from what I found out on Sat. he went to the elite 11 regional camp in Las Vegas. Was very disappointed with Amats performance.

What is Coach Hags' record against CO?

THAT's the real end of this discussion.

All baseball season long we were blessed with the Amat honks posting 'we just win championships. it does not matter which division you compete in'. Now these same honks are begging for respect, going on and on about how their 7-4 makes them the SGV's best. Which way do you want it Lancers? CO is the ONLY champ in the SGV right now. Don't like it? Do something to change it. Otherwise deal with mediocrity.

You ain't the best, and you're not even willing to step up to play the best.

CO fans can talk all they want about how arrogant Amat fans are and yet they do all the smack talking about how superior their team is and that and yada yada, without any basis to support their weak argument other than their SUPERIOR wins against cupcakes. Amat is 2-0 against CO and that's what sits in he CIF history books, that's all it matters...and that is what pisses off CO hardcores. You guys had your chances and you blew it.

End of discussion.

Has anyone been following the last few passing tournaments? Bishop Amat started with 3 QB's back at the Baldwin Park passing tournament and since then we keep seeing 2 more than 3. Ironically it is that QB that we see the least of that has shown me the most. I don't know who that QB is but I would be asking some serious questions to Mr. Hagerty

I wonder how any of those "top four" programs in the SGV would have done last year against Loyola, Notre Dame Sherman Oaks, and Long Beach Poly (the 3 losses after McLanahan became Amat's QB) or Los Osos for that matter.
If you can honestly say the SGV teams would win those games - we can continue the discussion.

I went to the Bonita gig and the Tuesday night gig. The Amat Qb and CO Qb situation is very questionable.

Best Qb's I saw was the Glendora kid and Marantha kid. Both deliver the ball very well and have the bodies for recruiting...

7-4 is the new 14-0

signed...guy who puts budice in a carls jr cup and goes to bishop amat football games

dont even argue the point with amat people, they cannot and never will except the fact they are not the number 1 program in the valley. they have been the fourth best for the last ten years and they know it, but will never admit it.and soon to be the fifth best within 2 years.

Why not answer the question? You have no answers. 7-4 hurts. Look to the past, it's all you can do. Thump your chests and talk about how you are the only quality team in the SGV, then dodge the only CIF champ in the SGV. 'We're the best because we say so' and 'We proved it 5 years ago'. Outstanding logic. What is the legendary Coach Hags' record against CO? No wins, 1 round of dodging the champ. Hags has pulled the wool down on you Lancer fans. You can't claim to be the best in the SGV if you won't even defend your own backyard. Get real.

Bask in the 7-4 glory. The Blue and Gold standard for glory.

charter oak is not afraid to schedule anybody its the bigger schools that are afraid

if a pac 5 legit school happened to get upset by a CO south hills or d ranch that could cost that coach his job

since nobody in this valley will play co u see where the scheduling conflicts come up

bishop could go 0-10 for the next 40 years and some day when freddy jr is runnin this blog some idiot amat fan will come on here and say "heyyy remember those 2 games 40 years ago where we smacked co mannn that was awesome WHATS UP NOW CHARGERS!" i got news for the amat fans those were not the greastest co teams either

This back and forth bantering is getting old. Just put on the pads and helmets and do the talking on the field......ooops that already happened twice!!!

Way to further prove the point there Jones. Keep looking to the past while the Lancers slip further and further into the mire of mediocrity.

I also enjoy the fact that no Lancer fans will address the fact that Hags chose a game against an 8 loss team over a backyard brawl with a CIF champ from the SGV. Please reconcile that one Amat fans.

Till this game happens its a moot point. Who knows the outcome, CO has improved enough the last couple of years to make an argument. Last season CO and BA both had great teams, in my opinin it would have been a tough,close game, I lean toward Amat if that game would've happened.
This year is a different year, BA lost a lot of starters & CO has a lot of key players back but they lose Williams & Perry & Allen & Rycraw you just don't know.
For those who say that Amats worse teams beat CO's best team, well thats not true either, Amats 04 & 05 teams were a lot better teams than 06 & 07, especially the 05 Amat team, the 05 team beat Mater Dei 28 to 7, and they also beat the Pac 5 champs Loyola that year. When that team was on, they probably could have beat last years Amat team.
CO's 04, & 05 teams were pretty good teams, but 07 & 08 were much better, in most years Amat wins, I think 07 would have been CO's best shot,that truly would have been one of CO's best vs Amats worst.

Good points Football Jones. Can't argue with that. Oh let me throw in my 2 cents with your apple to orange analogy....like comparing Charter Oak's best teams to Amat's worst teams.

Not arrogance but painful facts of life...deal with it!

When I hear the back and forth CO and Amat comments, brings back the memories of the the can of whoop ass the worst Lancer teams gave the best Charter Oak team it fielded on those two games. CO's all CIF USC bound safety...can't remember his name...was made to look like a bench warmer against Amat.

Look, comparing an undefeated CO to a 7-4 Amat team is apples to oranges, a VW to a BMW, a Cubic Zirconia to a diamond, Justin Timberlake to John Lennon, get my point?

CO may be undefeated and Amat may be 7-4 in 2008, but the bottom line is they are still 2-0 and undefeated against you SUCKASSSSSSES!

Hey "just saying", if BA's 2004 and 2005 teams were some of the worst teams ever than what about the 2007-2008 team that was 3-7? And, last year's record of 7-4 isn't too impressive. Listen to what the people are "saying", you're living in the past by going back to 2004 & 2005, as the reality is that BA's football program has been mediocre for the past few years and CO's has been on the rise. Every program goes through peaks and valleys so it won’t always be this way but if they played this year CO would plow BA into the field. Final comment, it's asinine reasoning that a team is better just because it plays in a bigger name league than another team. Anyone remember Michigan vs. Appalachian State? Boise State vs. Oklahoma? The SEC, Pac 10, ACC doormats can't beat the top teams from the WAC, MAC, etc...high school is no different.

7-4 is still 7-4. You've been duped. That ain't glory.

Also, get over the moral victory. A loss is a loss. Win a big game or just get back to work.

By the way, what was Dominguez' record last year? Only 8 more losses than CO. So much for the 'tough competition' argument.

How's the blue and gold Kool-Aid?

Here's the skinny:

Amat actually wanted to play Charter Oak. Hags doesn't back down from anyone. You can't honestly believe that Hags would duck Charter Oak. He scheduled State Champ St. Bonnie and you think he would be afraid to take on Charter Oak. That's funny.

The fact of the matter is at first Amat offered to play Charter Oak, but Charter Oak declined, because they wanted an easier game. So Amat went searching for another game. At this time Charter Oak could not find an opponent to play them. So they went and tried to see if they could still play Amat. Too late, Amat already scheduled Dominguez.

That's the skinny. So stop your whining and deal with it. For that's the truth.

Bonita dreamer-I'd say our biggest win might have been week 9 against Crespi. Not a bad time to do that. What the LBP game proved is on any given Friday we can step on the field and compete with anyone in the country. Today - not '94. How would any team in the Miramonte have fared against the #1 team in the nation? Please! You have NO idea. And watch-in the long run Dominguez will prove to be a much tougher test and prepare Amat for the speed and athleticism in the Pac5 far more than a 4th game against an SGV school.
BTW-did Bonita beat a single team with a winning record last year? Quite a feat that was!

You're living in the past. Everything you post has to do with years ago and with past coaching staffs. The fact is that Hags was offered the CO game for this year (as in the PRESENT), but he declined. Why would the SGV's football messiah back down? Because Hags is smarter than you. Hags knows that a loss to CO would expose the snow job he has going on over there at Amat. I mean for the love of God, he has you Amat fans buying into the idea that a 7-4 record is a 'return to glory'. To hell with your legacy of championships, just comin' close in the first round makes you a legend at Amat these days. And before you start to gush on and on about LB Poly, the only thing that Amat proved that night is that the Lancers can't beat a championship team. And that's another reason why Hags is dodging CO.

Also, since you now claim Orange Lutheran as your biggest win of the season I thought I'd weigh in. First, there is no glory to be gained in week 1 games. Second, if that's your biggest win, then was the rest of the season downhill from there. If so, than Hags really is a magic man. Team peaks in week 1 and still have the Amat fools on your nuts.

Lastly, I thought my team alligence was clear. Just for the record, I'm a Bonita fan.

There's MORE to this Guru dude than you've heard of, or dare want to believe about - on this blog .. or via secondhand talk.

Any of you run into me, get your tape recorders ready...you'll be in for a surreal, shocking ride...

Signed,
Fox Mulder & Dana Scully
FBI

4th and long,
might not be 94 but how long ago was it that CO took its back-to-back butt-kickins from two of the worst Amat teams ever! The gap is still a big one!

The biggest win of our season was against Orange Lutheran dude. What was yours?

Orange Lutheran defeated SO Notre Dame who took us to school big time.

Men are judged by the company they keep.

So what school do you represent and what company do they keep?

Furthermore, why has it taken you so many posts to claim a school in the first place?

Hey Joker,
Nice to see your biggest 'win' of the season was a loss. Wake up. 7-4 is what it is.

HAHA!!!

I invite you to "google" Bishop Amat...and btw, there is only one "Bishop Amat" high school in the U.S.A.

Here's another video for you as well...this is where it all starts...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahSX9OiT__M

Hit, Hustle, or go play for Los Altos...

if somebody from out of state that did not know anything about the 4 programs were there on tuesday they would of walked out there thinking bishop amat was just another team...

and as an amat fan that has to sicken your stomach

welcome to bishop amat population 7-4

Nice one foolios,

I present to you, Darien Johnson...if you have the ballz to watch:

http://vimeo.com/4216116

This Lancer has been knockin skulls with Southern California's Elite for 2 seasons now...

There's only one San Gabriel Valley football program that has gained the respect of the Los Angeles Times time and time again.

RESPECT IS EARNED BY COMPETING AGAINST THE RESPECTED.

Amat fans are from another planet. These are the same fans who go nuts when Amat's CIF baseball titles in Div. 5 and Div. 4 are called into question. Which way do you want it Lancer fans? Does the division you compete in matter or not? Seems like you clowns can't decide. No matter, Amat will never get a sniff of a football title until the beg their way out of the PAC 5. Moot point.

Wow. Never saw that reaction coming. Haha.

Amat lives with dreams of glory days long gone by. Someday you Amat fans will wake up and realize that you're never getting back to the top. All you have left is to cling to the close calls and the 'we were up and the half' stories. Win a big game, then talk about being the SGV's football messiah. There's a word for teams that almost win big games. Losers.

Almost ain't going to cut it. Get used to 7-4. It will be the new standard for success at Amat.

You see what I mean?

Charter Oak does well in passing league and all of a sudden, they are Pac-5 material.

It's a good thing Farrar scheduled Comptom Dominguez and St. Bonaventure to prove his program's worth and it's ability to roll w/ the big dawgs...

Oh wait....

wrong school.

its not 1994 anymore JUS SAYIN if you think the gap is that big between these 2 schools than your the new uncle rico

and the undefeated NCAA DIII champions at Mt. Union College or DII Minnesota-Duluth (both 15-0) are better than 4 loss BCS schools like Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech, Mississippi, Oregon State, Missouri, Iowa, Georgia Tech, West Virginia, Michigan State, - well you get the point.
I'm sure Mt Union or Minnesota-Duluth aren't cruising the country saying they can beat those schools? They're smarter and more realistic than that.

Which team sounds like they're holding on to 'dreams of glory': CO are undefeated CIF champs or Amat 7-4 bounced in the first round.

I know, I know Amats losses were to good teams. Moral victories only work for Disney. Win a CIF title (or better yet a LEAGUE title) then talk about 'glory'. Until that time keep quiet and get back to work.

4th and long,
Get off the Buds yourself. CO backed out on Amat way before Lou came up with his last minute challenge . Look in the archives and you will find where Amat ask co for a game and it was supposedly the administration ( Lou ) who said no. Then after the schedules were made for next year co comes up with empty we want to play you now. Fine they won't play but do not invent made up bs to satisfy your dreams of glory.

James isnt the head recruiter for the PAC or any other division.

My son is at a Pac 10 school and you would be surprised what they think..

1st and goal you are very mistaken, that last budwieser tall can must of hit u hard

i think what happened was everyone found out why bishop amat decided to pass on CO this year

i was at the passing league tuesday and came away very impressed with several of the athletes. since i followed them last year, i'll start with bishop amat. i thought the johnson kid was a step above most there. his acceleration was superior. though i didn't think the quarterbacks had a great day, i've seen enough of mclanahan to know he's a winner. i also liked the safety cazares for bishop amat. he's a football player. as for charter oak, i thought they had the biggest collection of athletes. i didn't see the running back do much, but he is physically imposing. i really liked their qb's. i wasn't able to get a true gauge on the rufus kid, but he's well put together. i really liked the a.j. powell kid (i think that's who he was), quite explosive. south hills looked decent to me. they completed many passes against bishop amat and the corner vaughns looked pretty good. i'm still not sold on the big receiver, but he is a big kid. upland had some gifted athletes as well. i don't know his name, but they have a big receiver that i thought was the most impressive receiver of the night. i also came away impressed with their qb play. overall a good passing league to attend. i don't know who is the best as there are no linemen in the games, but all looked like good, well coached teams.

Come on please Rio has a long way to learn the offensive scheme of Amat. He throws a lot of interceptions equal to touch downs. If any one is counting them (Rudy) a.k.a. ass kisser. Yeah we know Rio should start. Right Rudiee. From what we here not. He will be a good back up QB. Jerry M. is still far superior than the great one ha. ha. ha. We will see the what happens in the end. Maybe Jerry M. should learn how to kiss ass or take a page from the RUDIEEEEEEEEEEEE.

Why was the Guru walking around the Bonita Tournament with a BYU Polo Shirt on? I know he is the #1 scout in the area, but why wear the BYU shirt? I talked to him awhile back and he told me he was the head recruiter for Pac-10. Someone please clarify. Thanks

I'm a little confused. We have Fred and a number of others saying Charter Oak looked the most impressive and outscored everyone else, then we have 1st and goal saying Amat handed CO their ass? Whats the real deal?

If I am not mistaken, Amat picked Charter Oak 3 times in their 1st possession and defended many passes thrown to them. It was pretty ugly to see the Chargers get handled like they did. Amat's Offense pretty much had their way with Upland. South Hills didnt look too impressive either. Amat has a good group of receivers with Johnson, Hanyes, Xochihua(Jr)and Garcia and at TE you have Tierney. One addition is a transfer Lacey. He is learning the offense and doing well. Out of the backfield you will have Anderson, Carrillo and Alvarez. All these boys should do very well as long as they stay healthy and focused.

RADAR, That crazy guy with the whistle was the Guru himself.

PLEASE, I agree with you as well. Its ONLY passing league. I dont see any rings or patches getting handed out for it. So lets not get too excited over it. Its a whole different ball game once the helmets and pads come on.

McClanahan and Johnson (as well as a host of others)definitely have something the others do not have regardless of any passing league outcome:

They both have stood toe to toe against Orange Lutheran, SO Notre Dame, Crespi, Loyola, and Long Beach Poly.

This is one statistic that is both immeasurable and invaluable.

Did Charter Oak score against Amat? I can't really remember. They seemed pretty athletic, but from my point of view, Johnson ran past their db's easily and at will but just didn't get it thrown to him on those plays. And let's not get too excited about passing league people, cause that's all it is. Amat will be ready to represent this valley like it always does!

did anyone see the crazy guy with the whistle on the south hills side?

whoa

was it just me or was bishop amat's middle line backer as big as mulcully culkin

Charter Oak looked pretty good, but I did have fun watching Johnson's run after a catch at in the scrimmage with CO. He must have run 50 yards east to west. Overall I thought Amat looked better than last week at Bonita, but I had my two year old running around the stands this time so I missed half the games.

I am not sure what they list Johnson in the 40, but he looked good for 10 yards after a catch with his speed. Throplay looked like he put a little weight on since last year. I only saw him in that Amat video about Rix joining the staff on the Web.

The play did look much cleaner as I don’t recall the hits I saw on the main field at Bonita. When is Amat going to get some updated “underwear” as Big Lou put it? We must be one of the only schools using the old school tee shirts.

I do like that kid Austin (Amat) as he looks like he can contribute with the loss of Seals, etc, etc etc.

Pass this;

Why do people like you keep bagging on C/O. I have no ties with C/O and don't even support them, but even I know they're the best team in the SGV!

You people come up with the same thing all the time about their scheduling and who they play. (It's getting old)! People will always bag on a champion,and you know what, all your complaining about C/O went change nothing!

So quit your nonsense, because you sound like a scratched CD!

With Ruiz using up a lot of time for baseball, I don't see him dethroning Jerry for the job. My concern would be for the 2010 season, too bad we can't clone Rio or figure out the space/time continuum where he can be two places at once.

Yeah, South Hills fans were saying the exact same thing last year when they did very well in a passing league "game" versus Bishop Amat and SO Notre Dame.

There was tons of talk of Cameron Deen, Chris Bowden (as TE) and Ify Umodu and how they knew now they could compete w/ the big boys....blah, blah, blah.

South Hills ended up losing to West Covina. West Covina got embarrassed by Bishop Amat. Bishop Amat got slammed by SO Notre Dame.

So much for South Hill's ability to compete in the Pac-5 last year right?

It's just passing league guys. Don't build it up to be something it is simply not. If Charter Oak wants respect, they'll find it by scheduling teams of a higher caliber and beating those teams as well. Unfortunately, no one in the San Gabriel Valley can remember the last time CO scheduled a Football Farm school (Besides Amat...who really does not qualify as such anymore).

Any other schools throwing this week or this weekend?

Chargers looked good, I must say. That is one focused program. It will be interesting to see who comes out on top at QB. They will need someone reliable to hand the ball to Muema.
Go Chargers!

Say what you want to say about Charter Oak but their program from top to bottom just looked and feeled different from the other schools. On so many levels at least from my perspective Charter Oak just seemed better and superior. I was actually very disappointed and almost frustrated with South Hills and Bishop Amat. I went there to evaluate each program for a number of reasons and clearly I unfortunately now can separate ranks and files. I did really walk away impressed with Charter Oak though and realize why now with my questions answered and resolved.

Hey Fred,

How did the locals do in the Bonita Passing Tournament?

Who won the whole thing?

Well at least for the starters.

CO dominated EVERYONE at the four- way on Tuesday! GO CHARGERS!