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TheTruth, how is it that as an educator you have to resort to calling me names such as "stupid." Doesn't this make you a hypocrite? Perhaps some of our differences are rooted in semantics. A prime example is that on 8/30 you stated that you are not a CIF “Official” but now admit that you are a CIF “Council” member. People such as myself consider the “CIF” as one collective entity that is comprised of representatives no matter whether their title is Executive Director, Section Commissioner, Council Representative, League Coordinator, etcetera. In my eyes, and I doubt that I’m alone in this view, this makes you part of the CIF “Staff.” I’ve also read the Blue Book, including pages 9-12, so I do understand that the Council is comprised of a representative from each league and we are in agreement that ONLY the 88 member Council has the power to APPROVE changes to the bylaws so regardless of where a proposal originates, is it not true that the Council and not individual leagues is ultimately “making” the rules? What I am saying is that when it comes time to vote for or against a rule change all 1400 plus schools do not cast a vote. And the internal rules making process within the CIF is quite acrimonious at times because many individual members have their own personal agendas. This I know because a relative of mine has told me such and they served in various functions, including on the Council, during their career. Unfortunately for you, I did some research on the Placer High School suit and they were involved in the litigation process. From an article found on SFGATE.com (this is the San Francisco Chronicle) “Art Woodward, whose son is on the Placer High team with Dyer, listened to his son's description of that emotional day and the team's fallen prospects. An attorney and the former president of the Little League, he met with some other parents, the school principal, athletic director Lee and Hillmen coach Joey Montoya [emphasis added] to see whether anything could be done. Representing the school district pro bono [emphasis added], Woodward appealed to the CIF, suggesting that it choose to see foster children as a "family of one," thereby making their court-ordered moves "valid changes of residence" under CIF rules and exempt from the need for hardship paperwork. When the CIF rejected Dyer's appeal, the National Center for Youth Law decided to take up the case.” I also understand litigation which allows me to conclude that the school district was involved, how?; because the court reinstated the forfeited games which is relief that only the school district as the aggrieved party could have obtained. You’re an education person so I assume that you know that providing a non-responsive example to refute an argument is known as a red-herring and that you are purposely using this tactic to cover up the fact that you have never DIRECTLY responded to the sixty-four dollar questions regarding the moral, ethical and constitutional failings of the CIF’s “presumption of guilt by accusation” and “we have the right to determine where you live” residency rules. Until you do, you’re just blowing smoke and, I’m sorry to say, I’m a non-smoker. And BOTTOM LINE, I’m not saying that the CIF should not be the governing body, because they should, but instead they need to adopt rules that protect personal freedoms. You do realize that the CIF does not even attempt to explicitly define what “athletically motivated” means…so how it gets applied is open to capricious and arbitrary rulings. Reminds me of the famous quote by Justice Potter Stewart regarding the attempt to establish a legal test for obscene material wherein he said, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced . . . [b]ut I know it when I see it . . .” I’m just saying that the CIF’s use of a “know it when I see it test” to determine if a transfer was athletically motivated is too broad and ambiguous and by design is meant to be a final catch all that allows the CIF to exert control. The amusing part is that the CIF is capable of objectively determining what is athletically motivated yet considers a definition for social or scholastic motivation to be too subjective. From page 85 of the Blue book: “Question: I want my son to attend a different school because the scholastic program is better at that school. He also feels he will fit in better at that school. Will he be eligible at the varsity level? Answer: Defining a “better” school scholastically or socially is subjective. Parent(s)/guardian(s)/caregiver are urged to research schools prior to enrollment. Transfers for these reasons do not meet the hardship criteria.” The reality is that the overall scholastic achievements of a particular school is published by the Department of Education, so it is much easier to objectively test for this standard than for what is athletically motivated. But the CIF concludes otherwise because they need control without having the burden of having to prove anything...which is why they adopted a presumption of guilt standard. TheTruth, isn't this true?

Brad,

I am breaking my own promise not to respond for two reasons:

1. I'm just dumb enough to argue with the stupid, and:

2. To ask you to do some research and find out who brought the cases to the courts. You will find it was not the school's that brought those cases. IT WAS THE PARENTS!!!!

Second, the CIF Staff IS NOT PART OF THE COUNCIL!!! THE 83 Leagues and 5 at-large members that make up the section are the ones who make the rules and vote at the council. The COUNCIL IS THE MEMBER SCHOOLS. And if you don't believe me there is a council meeting at The Grand in Long Beach on Oct. 22nd. There you will not see the CIF staff raise their paddles to vote on a single issue!! I know this because I am a council representative!
let me try and explain more clearly. A proposal is made at the school level. It is brought to a league meeting where the members of that league discuss and vote on bringing it or not bringing it to the council. If it is brought to the council it is presented for a "first-read" before the entire 88 voting members. After that the proposal is than considered by all of the schools at their next league meetings. Each league (comprised of every school), on the direction of their league representatives, than send their league rep to the full council to vote as they have been instructed. At that time a simple majority of the 88 voting members either pass or deny proposals brought to them by the individual leagues (once again, the voting members). At NO time does the CIF office propose or vote on any CIF rules. I do not know how to make this nay clearer than I that. In any event, I’m not going to try any more.

Third, from Maxpreps:
“But that's when the foster child advocacy group intervened and filed a court action Thursday on behalf of Dyer.”

“A group of Placer parents, led by attorney Art Woodward, noted in the CIF paperwork that foster kids had an extra hurdle to clear and thus the litigation began. Ultimately Ford agreed.”

From News10 in Sacramento:
“The TRO was issued after a Foster child advocacy group known as the National Center for Youth Law, and Placer High School parents, filed a lawsuit Tuesday stemming from Placer's use of an ineligible player earlier this season.”
Schools don’t bring lawsuits against the CIF, Brad. Parents and outside agencies do.
Last, if the legislature thinks the CIF is so out of control why is it that they just granted them another 10 year extension to continue their control over athletics in California?
Brad, you have just enough information to make yourself dangerous. NOW I am officially done responding to you. Of course my non-response will make you crow like you’ve won something. But, since we began this little back and forth you never have let the facts get in the way of a good story. Why quit now? Good luck Brad on getting people to smell what you’re cooking. I'm done with you.

TRUTH and BRAD,
Bottom line is whether this transfer was athletically motivated or not . Someone has to rule on it and like it or not it is the CIF. The line has to be drawn on these transfers sometime and maybe this is it. The main problem I have trouble with is the school receiving the transfer has absoulutely no worries on the outcome of these findings only the parties transferring. You cannot with a clear conscience say SH or any school that brings in transfers has had no contact with said student or parents .Maybe CIF should just make a ruling that if you transfer after your freshmen year not during you sit out a year automatically . It is a shame that only the student would have to forfeit any year of eligibility if denied and the school goes unpunished.

TheTruth, it appears that the problem is that you and I differ in terms of comprehending the meaning of the words. First, you are playing with words…are you saying that the Council is not a part of the CIF Office?..,because they obviously are. As I said, the “Council” makes the rules not each of the “Member” schools, which is what you stated on 8/31. Here is an analogy that you might understand. The people of the USA (i.e. the member schools) vote for their congressional representatives (i.e. the Council) and the latter, through a majority vote, make and pass laws. Each and every member did not get a vote on each and every law and, furthermore, some surely do not endorse them but nonetheless, the members are all subject to them the same as you and I must follow the laws of Congress. You are wrong about Rule 22(B)(5). It explicitly allows schools to exercise their right to seek relief via the court system, specifically; it states, “These provisions are not to be construed as preventing the principal of a member school from exercising his/her school’s right to due process.” What do you think due process of law means? Are you saying that it does not include the right to seek the assistance of the California court system (hint: it does)? The rules that you cite regarding sanctions, expulsion etc are designed to prevent schools from ignoring or refusing to follow the rules and do not prevent a member school from asking the court system to interpret the legality or application of a given rule. There is a big difference. My comments on temporary retraining orders was meant to be a response to your comments that attempted to discredit the Monrovia High School example and not meant to be a literal statement that a TRO has NEVER been granted. It is interesting that you missed the essence of the Auburn Journal story, perhaps because it actually supports my argument that the CIF rules are arbitrary and undefined. Did you miss the part about the six bills that were before the California State Legislation to LIMIT the CIF’s arbitrary and inconsistent rules regarding transfers? Obviously, some of our lawmakers also agreed that the CIF was out of control. And, did Placer High get kicked out of the CIF because they sued? Did you miss the tongue in cheek statement by the reporter that “Basically, the new by-laws are simple. It’s the 20 plus pages of definitions and legal wording that only a Harvard Law School grad can digest.” My parting word is that it is pretty wimpy of you to go into hiding without addressing the moral and ethical failings of the CIF’s “presumption of guilt by accusation” rule which was the main issue that I was discussing before you started a personal attack that took this discussion down another path. I’ll construe your silence to mean that you disagree with the standard as it applies to YOUR PERSONAL FREEDOM but it is perfectly all right for the CIF to use it to restrict the freedom of teenage kids. Unfortunately, too many folks such as yourself interpret TheTruth as being rules and laws that restrict other people’s freedoms as long as they do not affect their own.

Brad,

No, Brad, you're wrong and just because you make your case passionately does not make you right. And here's the difference between you and I... I can prove you don't know what you're talking about...

The CIF Council (member schools ARE the legislative body and not the CIF Office:

Page 48 - Rule 32
The Council shall be the legislative body of the CIF Southern Section and shall exercise the following powers:
32.1 Make all rules and regulations governing eligibility of athletes.
32.2 Make all rules and regulations regarding the conduct of the business of the CIF Southern Section.
32.3 Make changes in, or amendments to, the Constitution and Bylaws, or other rules of the Southern Section.
32.4 Fix and enforce penalties for any violation of the Constitution, Bylaws, or other rules of the Southern Section.
32.5 Group member schools of the CIF Southern Section into leagues, or place on a free lance basis for a four-year cycle effective with
even numbered years (2006-2010, etc.). This approval to be accomplished by September during the odd-numbered years (05, 09,
etc.) under the following procedures.

Page 51 - Rule 33
The members of the Council from the leagues shall be the official CIF Southern Section Representatives in the leagues to see that CIF Southern
Section rules and regulations are understood and enforced by the individual schools, and also to see that all protests brought to the attention of
the league, are properly investigated and tried by the league.
34. Voting shall be by leagues, and each league shall be entitled to one vote.
35. The nominees from among those eligible for election who receive the most votes, will be elected.
36. A quorum of the Council shall consist of a majority of Council members.

Schools who sue the CIF risk losing membership:
Page 35 CIF Rules:

Rule 22, B, 5
The administrative decisions of the CIF Federated Council, CIF Executive Committee, CIF Executive Director,
Section Board of Manager’s and Section Commissioner and all state and sectional appeal decisions
shall be accepted in good faith by all member schools. The principal of any member school, who, by any act
or attitude, shall refuse to accept, or shall hold in contempt or derision, or shall permit or acquiesce in such
contempt or derision on the part of any group of individuals associated with his/her school, shall subject
his/her school to possible sanctions, suspension and/or expulsion from the section and/or state membership.
These provisions are not be construed as preventing the principal of a member school from exercising
his/her school’s right to due process;

Page 47 - Rule 27:
Membership within the organization is conditional upon full compliance with all these rules and regulations, schools must understand that an
appeal of any decision related to the interscholastic program is subject to the final adjudication of this organization and as such they hereby
abrogate as a condition of membership any appeal as to the interscholastic program outside the confines of the California Interscholastic
Federation.

The CIF doesn't win every restraining order case against them. From a 5 second google search:

"Last year in a highly-publicized case, the CIF was forced to restore forfeits to Placer’s football season after a restraining order was issued and a hearing on transfer student Dalton Dyer’s eligibility was heard by an Alameda County court."
Auburn Journal - July 20, 2009
http://auburnjournal.com/detail/119741.html

"University City's Jerome Price, declared ineligible after participating in the Gus Macker Three-on-Three basketball tournament in early February, was in action during Monday's boys' basketball playoff game against Grossmont after a temporary restraining order was granted against the California Interscholastic Federation in his behalf."
Los Angeles Times - February 15, 1989

So, Brad, while you cite cases from 1971 I cite rules from the rule books of 2009-10 ands actually newspaper articles.
Now, I'm done arguing with you because it serves no purpose. As I said in my original email, you're a clanging bell full of sound a fury serving no purpose. I will not respond to any more of your half truths and never were's.
Enjoy your time in Neverland.

TheTruth…what is amazing is that you have no idea who I am, my level of education, legal training, etc. yet continue the personal attacks in a feeble attempt to make yourself look smarter and correct. Look up “ad hominem” because you are guilty. For example, even though I stated on 8/28 that the CIF is “an association of high schools who has the mission of [to] regulate the sports activities of their members” you continue spouting nonsense about my knowledge about them. Your attempt to discredit the Monrovia travesty by stating that any judge would have provided a temporary restraining order (yes I know what a TRO is”) without any knowledge of the actual facts is laughable. If you did your homework you would know that this was sought and denied. If you actually knew anything about the law you would understand that the litigation history against the CIF (and all governmental bodies for that matter) reflects that every TRO sought against them has been denied…why?…because no court is going to shut down an entire football league or the playoffs just to protect one school or an individual. I’ve read the CIF Blue Book, have you? There is no rule that membership is revoked if a legal challenge is brought…where did you get this information? And, if you read Rule 101 you’ll see that that the bylaws can be amended by a majority vote of the “Council” (i.e. CIF Staff) so each and every member school doesn’t actually have a say so in rule changes. The issue, which you continue to avoid like a plague, is the reasonableness of the “presumption of guilt by accusation” that the CIF uses. Do you believe that this standard is consistent with our laws? How would you like it if the authorities knocked at your door and arrested you based upon no evidence and simply the mere allegation of a crime and then you had the burden of going to court and disproving this presumption of guilt? Does this really work for you? History indicates that every repressive government that has ever existed has adopted such a standard of proof. Is this really acceptable just because we are talking about high school sports? If so, where does it stop? Amused Reader has inadvertently raised the absurdity of the CIF rules...how can the Canada’s, who now live in the South Hills district, play football for Duarte H.S. (or any other public school for that matter) when they do not have any legal entitlement to even attend another school? As you know, unless an inter-district transfer is approved, a kid must attend the public school that serves their place of residence. Ignoring for argument sake my previous comments that we all have the right to live wherever we wish, some may respond; then get an inter-district transfer. But, even then, what if South Hills refuses to release the kid, which is their right? And, wouldn’t the CIF have to approve a South Hills district kid seeking to play out of district at Duarte even if the kid is returning to their prior team? Quite a conundrum isn’t it TheTruth? The bottom line is that the CIF is pretty much saying that once a kid enters high school they, and only they, have the right to determine where he/she can live, specifically as it pertains to athletic eligibility. And, the more skilled a kid is, the more likely that the CIF will intervene. The reality is that an unskilled, benchwarmer can transfer every year because the jilted school never objects and therefore the CIF doesn’t care. So, it is not the CIF that is really deciding the transfer but instead, is the school from which the transfer is sought. So, the fox is guarding the henhouse.

Brad,
It's amazing how much you don't know but, think you do. For the record, no, I am not a CIF official. Again, I don't need to be to respond to somebody so ill-informed as yourself. And saying just because your username is "Brad" gives you "nads" is like saying I would have huevos if I used the name “John Smith”. Stay brave little camper.
You don't answer the question of who the CIF is because you simply just don't know even though you think you do. So, let me help you out. The CIF IS THE MEMBER SCHOOLS. Let me repeat that since I may be going to fast for you. THE CIF IS THE MEMBER SCHOOLS. The membership I might add that include both South Hills and Duarte. It is not the office in Los Alamitos. The organization has been around for nearly 100 years and in all of that time every single rule written in their rulebook was conceived, proposed, debated, passed and instituted by the member schools and not the CIF staff. You wouldn’t know that because for you it’s easier to make this about a nameless, faceless, monolithic organization that makes arbitrary and capricious (google capricious and monolithic if you don’t know what those words mean) decisions to keep kids from participating in athletics.
And yes, the organization has gone to court and, at time, has lost court decisions. But, every time the organization goes to court they are going to defend a rule put in place by the member schools. Now I know nothing about the 1971 Monrovia football team. However, what I do know is if that were the situation and Monrovia had such a strong case any judge would have granted a TRO (look that up too) and the playoffs would never have started without them. Second, the CIF office does not dictate to leagues who it is they submit for the playoffs. Let me help you out with what that means. That means that if your scenario is factual, the league Monrovia played in at that time could still have submitted them to be one of their representatives for the playoffs… even if they had 0 wins! Looks like the league didn’t even support their position. Third, CIF rules state that if a member school sues the organization that school would be removed from membership. But, I bet if I did a little research I’m sure the facts are probably very different than how you have stated them. In any event, it makes no difference with regard to this conversation.
Finally, to state there is no due process is absurd. The organization has multiple level of appeals and that is just what the Canada’s are going through right now… the process.
So, Brad, you are a moron. For people like you it is easier to curse the darkness than to light a candle. Brad… get a match for that candle.

All the schools do what South Hills was trying to do.This kid is just TOO good to let go like that.All of this has been in the press from day one and now its going to bit this kids season in the butt.If I was their parents I would of done just what they are trying to do. No one is going to win in this.GOOD LUCK...

Brad,
It's amazing how much you don't know but, think you do. For the record, no, I am not a CIF official. Again, I don't need to be to respond to somebody so ill-informed as yourself. And saying just because your username is "Brad" gives you "nads" is like saying I would have huevos if I used the name “John Smith”. Stay brave little camper.
You don't answer the question of who the CIF is because you simply just don't know even though you think you do. So, let me help you out. The CIF IS THE MEMBER SCHOOLS. Let me repeat that since I may be going to fast for you. THE CIF IS THE MEMBER SCHOOLS. The membership I might add that include both South Hills and Duarte. It is not the office in Los Alamitos. The organization has been around for nearly 100 years and in all of that time every single rule written in their rulebook was conceived, proposed, debated, passed and instituted by the member schools and not the CIF staff. You wouldn’t know that because for you it’s easier to make this about a nameless, faceless, monolithic organization that makes arbitrary and capricious (google capricious and monolithic if you don’t know what those words mean) decisions to keep kids from participating in athletics.
And yes, the organization has gone to court and, at time, has lost court decisions. But, every time the organization goes to court they are going to defend a rule put in place by the member schools. Now I know nothing about the 1971 Monrovia football team. However, what I do know is if that were the situation and Monrovia had such a strong case any judge would have granted a TRO (look that up too) and the playoffs would never have started without them. Second, the CIF office does not dictate to leagues who it is they submit for the playoffs. Let me help you out with what that means. That means that if your scenario is factual, the league Monrovia played in at that time could still have submitted them to be one of their representatives for the playoffs… even if they had 0 wins! Looks like the league didn’t even support their position. Third, CIF rules state that if a member school sues the organization that school would be removed from membership. But, I bet if I did a little research I’m sure the facts are probably very different than how you have stated them. In any event, it makes no difference with regard to this conversation.
Finally, to state there is no due process is absurd. The organization has multiple level of appeals and that is just what the Canada’s are going through right now… the process.
So, Brad, you are a moron. For people like you it is easier to curse the darkness than to light a candle. Brad… get a match for that candle.

Westside Bulldog,

Home grown, lol ur kidding right...

What if they just punish the mom and not let her go to any of the games, but let the boys play...

McGarrett, they should be punished because of the mother who pulled them from Duarte and put them in the USC of high school football (plenty of other schools around, but they had to pick a football hotbed). And her motives were athletically motivated which is why they should'nt be eligible. All the former player should do is go back to Duarte get their eligibility back and play for a better coach than Crutchfield in Sanders. All would be well.

I was looking forward to seeing him play against AZUSA again this season! And we would have done the same thing we did last year! AZUSA will be ready again!

Montview League Champions...

No big deal. After all is said and done, CIF will allow these boys 2 play 4 SH.
These boys should not b punished 4 an angry aggressive mother.

Keep prayin for the Canada bros fellas...

When you change the way you see things, the things you see change

C.Dawg The Dawg

Bottom line: C.I.F. does not have the "huevos rancheros" to declare the Canada brothers ineligible. This publicity "stunt" of theirs will soon be over and the young men and C.I.F. will get back to "business as usual" meaning "harm but no foul." I say that because when was the last time South Hills ever had a FOOTBALL player ineligible before in the past. Bogan and North "run" C.I.F. just ask them, they will tell you. I personally like that Shirley is playing football now again because this chaos on Cameron Blvd. between players AND coaches just has the focus on them but in the meanwhile we quietly "take care of business" and trust me the game is going to be very personal this year like always with something special for the All-Star football team versus our "home grown" program. Kick the ball off, we're ready and are coming after you "Dawgs!"

Intheknow,
Jackson isn't eligible yet. They were denied and now they are trying another route...get your facts straight.

Question, do you go to a public school because of the coach or where you live? If the answer is the coach, then it's athletically motivated. Most kids are at the school because it's part of the boundries.

What's funny is all the talk about Duarte being bad. Ever walked around Amat, Bassett, La Puente, Gladstone, Azusa? The point I want to make however is that all the kids that left Duarte left for athletic reasons and should have to sit out. The comments about Duarte not having a team are comical. It's because kids left for greener pastures (South Hills and BP which have had great teams over the years) and not because of violence. I'd bet most of the players are still living in Duarte.

in the know,
Easy,I'm on the Canada bros side I'm saying the only reason they STAYED at DHS is athletically motived reasons & Coach Crutchfield. Had he NOT been there, neither would they have been, from day one. Yes--it is a double standard. Either they all should be allowed to play or none of them (any transfers from all schools) Seems as though South Hills is the only school they want to make an example with. People seem to think that SH RECRUITS and other schools don't, well, unless Coach Bogan personally came to you and asked you to come to SH you really don't know that. South Hills, Charter Oak, Bishop Amat,etc.. they all have good programs, they get the transfers and I'm not say they DON't recruit because I don't know, but chances are, they don't need too.

Saying that the kids and their parents enjoy reading about them in the blogs and newspapers is a false generalization; not all of them do. Some of these kids mentioned in the blogs, negatively and positively, just want to play ball. So why don't we all grow up and leave them alone. Go and pick on someone your own size.

Duarte Ok, that's fine, then the only reason Crutchfield Jr., and Jackson left Duarte were for "athletically motivated" reasons too, and now they're at Baldwin Park, both eligible, with valid change of adresses. You tell me, what's the difference. I'm sure both of them would still be at Duarte if Crutchfield was the coach too. It's the double standard that isn't fair. Why is one not considered athletically motivated, and the others are??? I can tell you why, because the Duarte administration chose to take a vendetta on the Canada brothers, and are doing anything they can to block their move.

someone asked it the Canada bros would have stayed at if Crutchfield was still there and the answer is probably yes --- the only reason they were there was because of him --- for athletically motivated reasons.
all of you who say Duarte is dangerous obviously don't live here --- it's no dangerous than any other city, covina had kids bringing guns to school planning to shoot-up the school, all cities have good and bad about it but Duarte isn't all bad, I still feel safe walking around my part of the neighborhood below the tracks, are there areas I wouldn't, yes, but there are areas of LaPuente, West Covina, Valinda and even Glendora I wouldn't....

Sad to see some folks still deluding themselves into thinking placement on a successful team in the SGV gives a kid a better chance at a four year schollie. All you have to do is look at the names in the story about Citrus CC below and you can see that D1 schools have little or no interest in kids from smaller programs. Stansell, Tucker, Snowden, Gilmore, McDonough, these guys were goddsss; now they are hooking up with the second best jc in the valley, in some cases, two years after they graduated. Yeah I know, someone will drag out the name of a kid here or there and sure Bishop Amat and Diamond Ranch get a little action, but hey! They play teams in the BIG BOY LEAGUE. Where did the best players from the best team in the valley end up? Williams, Perri, Allen? OK, Chris is walking on as a preferred baseball player at Northridge, but what did all those rings get in terms of scholarships? Tell it like it is. It's about attention for your kid: name in the paper, name in the blogs, talked about at the barber shop, etc. That whole next level thing is a sham. Either that or the parents just aren't paying much attention to who moves up and who doesn't.

So in this case you guys are defending a SCHOOL, an INSTITUTION for higher learning....for potentially closing the door on a couple of really good athletes for the sake of doing the right thing. Define the right thing, please!! Do you guys realize that this will change these boys lives? What's funny is with the exception of Gano when he was at Los Altos, i have never seen such horrible conduct from adults. THESE ARE KIDS, KIDS....who are trying to make their lives better. Even if it was Athletically motivated, parents normally want thier kids to be where College scouts come and offer a way out. These boys are not drug dealers, not in gangs, they have decent, not good grades from what I read, and they have a pretty involved Household. Thats a poor excuse for High School Athletic governing agency to close the doors on windows of opportunity for these kids. Maybe these boys parents wanted what was best for them.

And yes fool (Jus Sayin), Duarte is bad. Its like the new Compton.

I say don't be asses bc your but hurt that these boys left. Whether Crutch was there or not, you don't punish these kids bc of a decision the parents and more importantly, DUARTE HIGH SCHOOL made. Thats some complete BS. If the admin is that competitive where they are willing to hurt the potential careers of gifted students, maybe the district needs to investigate the school for spiteful acts against it pupils. Are they upset that tickets sales go down bc of the loss? Less money for ASB? I mean it is a fact that for most schools, football is the bread winner!!

I took time and read through all of these post and ONCE AGAIN, HOLDING KIDS BACK FROM A FAIR SHOT IS INSANE AND WRONG!! Maybe the Canadas should enroll in St.Paul, Bish...nevermind, just a private in general.

Dranchhhh-Duarte didn't get more dangerous when Crutch got canned. It was just fine for them when he was the coach so using that as an excuse to leave now is a weak one.

I did not ask "WHY" Duarte held onto the paper work, I merely stated that "IF" Duarte held onto the paper work that reflects poorly on them. I would absolutely agree that the Canada's should have started this process as soon as they enrolled at South Hills, but I have no idea the time line of events, hence the qualification "IF" in my post.

In regards to CIF being "off" in the summer. That simply isn't true. They reduce their hours slightly and take three day weekends, but I assure you they are open and able to handle any transfer paper work that comes in during this time.

CIF obviously dont know how dangerous it is in Duarte. They need to get over themselves and let these kids get a shot at life!!

Prep Fan and Doctor George,

You are asking why did Duarte sit on the paperwork? How do you know they did? If the Canada kids enrolled to SH last year why didn't the family start the paperwork then? Why did they wait until the summer, hoping some administration would be gone and it would be an easy ride to get the paperwork through? Oh, and CIF takes a break as well. Even if the paperwork was in the office it still would have sat there until CIF returned from the break. Stop grasping for straws the one to blame is that Crutchfield so called coach for telling his players to go elsewhere, there is where the finger should be pointed.

From Miguel's blog I bring this comment written by "New York".

New York said:
What is the spirit of this rule that says that "athletically motivated" transfers will be scrutinized and punished?

I find this grounds for scrutiny to be ironic. Educators often use participation in athletics programs to encourage kids to stay in school and to maintain their grades. We often hear stories of "at-risk" youths who are motivated to go to class so that they can play sports. The decision to show up to school is often "athletically motivated." Over the past few years, Duarte had an impressive number of kids sign Divison 1 scholarships and play in All-Star games. Those scholarships are athletically motivated. Furthermore, those players maintained were eligible for those scholarships.

From the outside, it appears that the Canada brothers and their mother had seemingly bought into a program with a coach who had their confidence. The school administrators at Duarte made a decision to go in a different direction, the parent disagreed, the parent then found a school with a direction she prefers. The state and possibly federal education dollars travel with these two students to whichever public school they attend. What's the problem?

Rules are rules, but sometimes bad rules get thrown out or revised. The long arm of the governing body of The CIF is messing with these kids' futures and high school experience. The organization that boasts of the importance of athletics chastises "athletically motivated" decisions.

August 26, 2009 8:09 AM

Re: Prep Fan said:
If true that Duarte had this transfer paper work and sat on it that reflects VERY POORLY on Duarte. Whatever the merits of their claim there is no reason to slow the process down...
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Precisely. This is why the CIF's decision needs to be reversed. Duarte's admins' motive = athletically motivated is allegation nothing more nothing less.

Doctor George

Brad I had a strong opinion that you didn't know what you were talking about and I apologize because I got sucked in as well into this discussion. The truth is no one knows what CIF is like until they have to deal with them.

Your Monrovia story real brought it home for me and if true really does highlight the uneven allocation of justice based on rules that ultimately favor those with connections and influence.

Maybe the "rat" in all this IS the Duarte officials who didn't apply the same standard to all the athletes who left.

Somewhere in all this everyone loses. This is clearly way past my pay scale.

wow monrovia puts out some athletes...too bad they don't stay at one school. damien had alex thompson who's at northern colorado, ironically with former south hills qb deen and taylor herrera who will run track for san luis obispo on a track scholarship. one thing monrovia produces is speed.

I think CIF will change ther mind on the two boys, because of the simple fact that Duarte doesn't even have a team... So the boys would've had to change anyway, wouldn't that let them attend any school they choose?

Not as easy for Bogan this time around. Dorian Wells transfer was overlooked and allowed, this time around they are watching. What worked for Wells that year put a bullseye on the recruiting that So. Hills gets aways with. Wells was a Monrovia kid and played for So. Hills? CIF is doing their job for once. The Canadas will not play for So. Hills. They might as well start looking to get with a private school, the season is very near. Amat , St. Paul, St. Francis have openings?

TheTruth, so you are a CIF official but just don’t have the nads to identify yourself. I use my real name…let’s see yours. The answer to “who” [sic] is the CIF is so obvious that it does not even require discussion…so why do you continue to harp on such rhetoric? OK, since you are the only one with the answer, just tell us who you think they are. Last time I checked, every person or legal entity in the USA be it the federal government, state government, police departments, businesses, non-profit organizations, associations or individuals is both covered by and bound to each and every sentence of the US Constitution…do you really believe that the CIF is not just because they are an association of high schools who has the mission of regulate the sports activities of their members? Because there are been plenty of lawsuits over the years that have challenged CIF rulings so the courts beg to differ with your analysis regarding their jurisdiction over your association. Here is a true story from my youth that seems appropriate…in 1971, Monrovia High School’s football team wins league but during the season there is an “allegation” from Duarte H.S. (apparently some things never change) that they witnessed an illegal, pre-season practice. Based upon this mere “allegation”, the CIF negates all the wins and bans the team from post-season play. Monrovia sues the CIF, gets their day in court (yes, a real court with a real judge) and WINS because the judge rejects the CIF’s “guilt by accusation” standard and requires them to prove the allegations, which they can’t. The bad news is that by the time that this happens, the playoffs are long over and these kids lost their opportunity to play for a CIF title. So who’s the moron in this true example? Anyone with more than half a brain can see that the CIF continues to cite rules loaded with presumptions, guilt by accusation and loosely worded statutes (still waiting for you definitions of the terms) to support a system that allows them to exert “control” over teenagers without due process of law and that is a fact.

SGV Fan,
You are wrong.

Duarte Fan, you are correct to say that the Canada Boys mother was very involved in the booster club. You are incorrect when you stated that she was still staying when asked to be on the selection committee. She had already notified the school that she would be moving out of the district and would be resigning from her duties on the booster club. You need to get your facts straight.

I have heard that the CIF has held a review hearing and has now heard the mothers side, and has been given proof on why they have met CIF transfer regulations.

I am sure that the CIF will reverse their decision and make the Canada brothers eligible. Duarte High School will continue to look bad over their decision to fight the boy’s transfer.

"In fact", that is my opinion. 'In fact", there are those who have this opinion. "In Fact", while you may disagree...that is my opinion. "In fact" it is the "OPINION"of the court....

The defense rest.

on record,
The administration isn't lying. What do they have to gain from all of this? Unless you know the situation you should probably stop MFing people who you don't know.

SGV fan,
Get your facts straight. The administration of Duarte High asked for a parent to be on the interviewing panel for booster reasons. It was open to all parents. At the time, the Canada boys were staying. The Administration wouldn't have placed Canada's mother on the interview panel if they thought they would leave.

Next when you have a head coach who is fired who calls parents to support him and asks the aprents to transfer their student/athlete to other schools, this is the reason for CIF. Look at the perspective of Duarte High, don't just look at the player. They need to protect themselves as well...this is why we have CIF. Don't blame the school, blame the ex-head coach. What happens if these players who he told to transfer to support him, can't play this season, then what? Look at the whole picture.

Brad,

Yep. Just as I thought... you don't know. And you're wrong about "who is the CIF". And the fact that you're wrong about that adds to the reason of why you've been wrong about everything else.
However, one more question before I get to expose your nonsense...

Who created all of the rules in the CIF rule book?

And just because I can expose you for being the kind of person who screams fire in a crowded theater does not mean I have to work in the motion picture industry. A three year-old can spot somebody with just enough information to make themselves dangerous.

And you're not expressing an opinion. You're attempting to make statements of fact. Or when you actually say...

"In fact, it is pretty clear that Rule 207(A)(3) is specifically written as THE EXCEPTION to Rule 510, not the other way around as Mr. Simmons would like us to believe."

... that means you're really just stating an opinion? Really? I've never seen an opinion start with the sentence "In fact".

And last, this isn't a constitutional issue. It's high school athletics. You're not Charles Darrow and this isn't Brown vs. the Board of Education. So, relax on the un-American rhetoric. It makes you sound even more moronic than you already do.

I await your answer to my second question...

If true that Duarte had this transfer paper work and sat on it that reflects VERY POORLY on Duarte. Whatever the merits of their claim there is no reason to slow the process down. It should be allowed to work through the system in a timely manner.

Hey TheTruth, if you are going to take a shot at me, then please properly use the English language…since the CIF is an organization and not a person then the question is not “who” is the CIF but, instead, is ”what” are they. And what have I said that could possible lead you to conclude that I don’t know their mission, board members, etc? My opinion is just that and is not meant to be a “service” so if you don’t like it either provide an alternative opinion or, if you can’t, ignore it. Exactly what “service” did your blog provide to the readers? Kind of looks like you are a CIF official. If so, instead of resorting to the tactic of personally attacking people to silence the dissent, do us a favor and provide an exact legal definition of the meaning of “athletically motivated” and “in whole or in part.” While you are at it, post the freshman transfer data. Kind of doubt that the CIF is interested in “full disclosure”, which is a common characteristic of entities that hide behind absolute power. How can anyone defend the CIF rules, which by the way I’ve read, that are full of “presumptions” of being guilty with the burden of proving innocence falling upon the accused? This is contrary to the very foundation that our country was built upon…innocent until proven guilty. One would think that our educators would be the defenders of our constitutional rights instead of designing a system that strips them bare. The ball is in your court so please provide us with information or an opinion as opposed to more personal attacks.

Would these kids have left if Crutchfield was still the coach? Of course not. Don't blame the school.

I believe that the Duarte School District, Superintendent and elected board members should investigate the actions taken by the Duarte High School Principal and Athletic Director. The business that most public school districts are in is to provide quality education, which includes a safe learning and teaching environments.

It is the Principal obligation to make changes in areas where he feels his school needs improvements or needs to go in a different direction. It is a parent’s obligation to make changes in their children’s life to improve their safety or education. In our country, we have a right to live anywhere we chose.

A school District has a right to deny a transfer to another District if the student lives in there district, They do not have the right if the student moves out of their district.
The Principal has taken a lot of heat for firing his coach; it appears that he is trying to transfer this heat to the Canada brothers. I believe that he is trying to take out his frustrations for his decision on the Canada Mother, a single parent, I parent who is involved and care about her boys...

What kind of educator tries to keep students from getting an opportunity to become successful? The Canada’s have moved for several reasons, not one of those reasons being athletic motivated. The main reason is that they our minors and required by law to live with their mother. She has moved out of Duarte, prior to moving the mother notified the Principal and athletic director,

Even after being informed the Principal asked the mother to be on the search committee for a new coach. The principal knew at that time that she was moving and the reason for leaving which had nothing to do with athletics. It was the Principal and Athletic Director who tried to bring athletics into her decision to relocate by having her sit on the selection committee. It seems to me that Duarte High School has violated rules by injecting athletics. to try to keep students in their district.

Because her decision was aways based on other reasons, athletics never changed her decision to relocate.

Since the boys relocated, Duarte High School has made it personal and continues to treat their mother with no respect; in fact, they have refused conduct themselves in a professional manner. They delayed filling out CIF transfer forms and when the Canada mother asked for copies of the forms, deliberately left out their protest letter stating the move was athletically motivated.

I have been involved with Duarte School District for over 18years and know that the action taken by this Principal is outside District policy. Duarte School District is in the business to educating students The Principal has made it personal and has injected athletic instead of education into his main job decision. What a shame.

I am sure when the CIF hold there hearing on this matter they will make the right decision and make the boys eligible. Duarte has no proof to claim the move was athletically motivated..

thats not fair to those kids. what about that basketball player that was at workmen high. that guy cezar. he was at one school then went to workmen then went back to his first high school. something is not right.

jcaz,
I think you are right it is a bad idea even though it was said in jest. I have no problem tossing back some cold ones as I also have spent some time in Vegas but I think you and I would have a blast, 73 would join us and FC would get kicked out of the casino after having a meltdown playing blackjack as his 20 loses to the dealers 21. I am not quite sure where JA would fit into the equation.

How did Palin get brought into this? The funny thing is even though she was brought into the spotlight to try and take away the Hilary votes from the democrats, she had exactly the same amount of experience Obama did which was ZERO!
She stepped down to help prepare herself better for a run in 2010. I don't see her winning but the Republicans need to come with a strong candidate like a Reagan. And by the way this country is in a mess because of the Congress.

In regards to the topic of the Canada kids some good points have been made here. Someone mentioned why can't a kid go where he wants like in college where you can choose your school. I addressed this earlier as this burden falls on the parents and should start around 7th to 8th grade. Schools should be looked into at that point and not after a year or so. I don't think kids who are 14-17 years old have the maturity to make that type of decision.

The CIF is trying to put a hold on kids getting " transferitis" where they just keep jumping from school to school. I understand the parents wanting to protect their kids however I believe the CIF is correct in not allowing this to happen. It's going to be interesting to see how this all shakes out.

Brad,

Answer this simple question...

"Who is the CIF?"

Since, by reading your statements, I know you cannot answer that question correctly all of your posts are like a clanging bell or a rusty chain saw... they make a lot of noise but provide no real service.

I await your attempt none the less.

Jcaz,
My bag is packed along with my clubs. What time is the limo leaving. I am not quite over the hill yet ,as a matter of fact I am still on the uphill side and still have a lot of partying left in me. On another note it would be crazy fun to get all the hard core football bloggers together before the season starts to do some toasting and roasting of each other for fun.Maybe Fred can start the ball rolling on something like that.Charge a entrance fee and the proceeds go to start a scholarship fund for the top football player or top male and female senior athlete.With all this hot air we throw aroung the blog we all should do something to pay these kids back for all the enjoyment they brings us . I think if we all met each other we would find out we all basically agree to the same things concerning our SGV athletes .

So Fred J, Thom Simmons with the CIF said that they can deny eligibility to freshman transfers for "athletically motivated" reasons. Really? Exactly where in the rulebook does it state such an exception exists because, frankly, I can't find it? In fact, it is pretty clear that Rule 207(A)(3) is specifically written as THE EXCEPTION to Rule 510, not the other way around as Mr. Simmons would like us to believe. It sure looks like this is part of the CIF's belief that they have unbridled, absolute power to do whatever they want. I'd also like to know exactly what "athletically motivated" means. To examine a person's motivation, one must be able to determine what factors compelled them to take a certain action. Are the CIF mind readers? And, when there are multiple factors that go into the decision to move one's residence, what percentage of the athletic program motivation to the overall decision (1%, 20%, 50%, etc) must be present to meet the CIF's standard, which, by the way is the pretty generic phrase "in whole or in part" [Section 510(b)]? Perhaps Mr. Simmons would also be kind enough to provide their statistics for the past 4 years regarding how many freshmen have applied for transfer waivers and, of those, how many were denied for "athletically motivated" reasons. We're not asking for names, only numbers, so I don't want to hear some sort of confidentiality excuse. Other than the Canada example, can anyone out there recall any other denial of a freshman transfer? I have nothing to do with the Canadas or South Hills so my concern with this behavior by the CIF is as an American citizen...it really looks like someone needs to take these power mongers to task so that they'll come down from their golden thrones.

King Stud, thanks for the good words. It was unexpected, but awesome to hear.

As for me taking you, 73, JA, FC and Fred to Vegas ???, wow, what an interesting idea. But for some reason, I don’t think that would work out to well.

While I have no doubt (believe it or not) that you and I would most likely hang out together just fine, I kind of get the impression that these other guys may not want to get as crazy as I get. especially when I go over there. I do have allot of fun there you know !

Ha ha ha

BTW, Brad, thank you too for spelling it all out for these folks earlier. For some reason allot of these people just don’t get it, but hey, they have a right to an opinion.

“political football.” Just to set the record straight. When I was working, I was a union representative for the company that I worked for. I have a great deal of respect for the collective bargaining process, because I was highly involved with it at the time, and to this day support any and all union efforts to organize and to make living conditions better for their membership. The post on the other thread was just a joke.

To, "OK BUDDY" huh ???

Dude, I think the best way to deal with you is to just ignore you.

Wondering, it's pretty simple, Duarte challenged the Canada's move by declaring it was athletically motivated. They did not do the same with Crutchfield. Crutchfield still teaches at BP, but he moved to the BPark school district and sought a change of residence transfer, just like the Canada's.

I dont think the problems lies with the mother deciding to research and pick out a good spot for her boys. I think the problem lies in whether or not they were recruited to come to a certain school.

Hey Fred, or anyone else that knows,

Why is it that the Canada kids are ineligible, but the kids Crutch took to BP are able to play? Don't think that's right.

Thanks for your replies

BRAD, freebies is a throw away term used to illustrate a point to checkingin. Obviously nothing is free, not even love! Now as far as the value of said programs...that was my point.

I agree the politicians always mess things up by bending over and letting money go get into the wrong hands and for the wrong reasons but that doesn't negate the value of the program or the fact that milllions have been help...who use the service and freedoms as they are intended.

Just look at the war profiteering that's going on with Blackwater and Haliburton (Cheney's old place of hire)...was the war justified...I don't know but like the programs I mentioned obviously money has corrupted the purity of the ideal.

I guess it would be easier to debate a topic if every time a Conservative opened their mouth I didn't hear every single talking point that's been handed them.

One last point...anyone in their right mind actually think Sarah Palin was qualified to run this country? Seeing as Mc Cain's peers are dying at an alarming rate that was a real possibility. Sarah Palin make Dan Qualye look like Einstein.

Seeing that Sarah loves sports analogies....how many players "QUIT" for the good of the team?...IN TEH MIDDLE OF THE GAME!!!!

HISTORICALLY PALIN HAS SET A NEW STANDARD FOR INCOMPETENCY... and yet Jcaz and others voted the ticket in lock step fashion.

Jcaz...after seeing Palin's press conferences...would you hire her to run your company. Lets's see Obama Vs Palin...could happen in 3 years... and the Republicans wonder why the country is in such a mess !

What is the spirit of this rule that says that "athletically motivated" transfers will be scrutinized and punished?

I find this grounds for scrutiny to be ironic. Educators often use participation in athletics programs to encourage kids to stay in school and to maintain their grades. We often hear stories of "at-risk" youths who are motivated to go to class so that they can play sports. The decision to show up to school is often "athletically motivated." Over the past few years, Duarte had an impressive number of kids sign Divison 1 scholarships and play in All-Star games. Those scholarships are athletically motivated. Furthermore, those players maintained were eligible for those scholarships.

From the outside, it appears that the Canada brothers and their mother had seemingly bought into a program with a coach who had their confidence. The school administrators at Duarte made a decision to go in a different direction, the parent disagreed, the parent then found a school with a direction she prefers. The state and possibly federal education dollars travel with these two students to whichever public school they attend. What's the problem?

Rules are rules, but sometimes bad rules get thrown out or revised. The long arm of the governing body of The CIF is messing with these kids' futures and high school experience. The organization that boasts of the importance of athletics chastises "athletically motivated" decisions.

You know what's terrible, I went on CIF's website under the approvals and started typing in generic names. Under Jackson, 12-for-12, all approved. Under Anderson, 11-12 approved. It goes on an on, and it's amazing how many Orange County teams get straight approvals. This process sucks, all it takes is a school losing a player with a vendetta to claim "it's athletically motivated" without any proof or due process whatsoever. It's part of CIF's policy of schools policing themselves, only schools that claim wrongdoing don't have to show a burden a proof. Duarte punishing the Canada's show you that administrators at the school aren't interested in doing what's in the best interest of kids, they're little league adults who carry personal vendetta's. The reason most change of residence transfers go through is that most schools have the decency to let parents parent their children. Shame on you Duarte, what good really comes from stopping a kid of pursuing his dream of a scholarship?

Shame on Duarte for stopping a child from leaving a school to improve the quality of school. Regardless if it was athletically motivated, let CIF be the judge of that. Duarte, you can not possible think that a child will develop better at Duarte than SH. I am not an SH (Bogan) fan and even I can be man enough to say it is better.

I hope all SGV coaches have some kid of silent respect for each other and never schedule another pre game with them. Those that vist them on away games, do not buy anything from them, not even a single 50/50 ticket.

I do not know the Canadas however it is because the school brought this on themselves with firing a coach that was interetsed in taking care of those kids. I went to a lower lever school (Bassett) but we had great coaches who really took of us and we repected them for that and it showed on the field when we had a pretty good run in the late 80's and early 90's. I give them credit for what I am today.

JCAZ,

The post in question is it's too late baby in responce to your denegrating of everyone below your economic standing. You reply to checkin in and backing jcaz as if you know them and brush off it's too late as a drive by . Also the first line of what no responce tells you " no reply to the it's too late post" . You know the one you replied to so fast with your drive by line and wannabe politically correct answer.Like George Lopez says " SO NOW YOU KNOW " . No I did not post any of the replies just an interested observer who knows a fraud when he see one .

A couple of more facts, yes, the Canada's have moved to the South Hills high school district. Also, regarding the younger Canada being declared ineligible when it was a freshman transfer, and you're supposed to be granted an exception as a freshman. CIF's Thom Simmons told me that because Duarte claimed the move was "athletically motivated," this takes precedent over the freshman transfer rule.

The big problem with all of the transfers that left Duarte because of Crutchfield is that they are missing out on a really good coach (much better than Crutchfield) in Tip Sanders). Gotta give Morrison's kid at Damien a lot of credit. He decided to stick with his team even though his dad was let go. I get the feeling that Crutchfield wants to see the Duarte program go down in flames, but I don't think that Sanders is going to just roll over. His past history says that he won't

Brad I thought I saw somewhere that they didn't actually move. Could be wrong. Otherwise there has to be a good reason why they aren't eligible after the move.

Amused Reader...you are missing the obvious, which is they do in fact live in South Hills' district which is their constitutional right as an American. Living in the place of our choice is the same right that you, I and everyone else has. Come on, it is not a "coincidence" where anyone lives. Listen to what you are saying...it is ok for a kid to move to an area if the high school has a crummy football program but not to one with a good one. Either way, the kid left the previous area (i.e. school) for another one with the only difference being that the CIF is the czar who via an arbitrary standard (e.g. "crummy vs. good") is determining where one can choose to live...at least if they want to play sports. I believe that one's right to live where ever they want which includes the opportunity to participate in ALL the programs that their local school district can offer is fundamental and cannot be impeded by the CIF politburo.

I understand why the older Canada was not allowed, however I dont understand how the younger Canada (soph)was rejected. It was my understanding that a student has a free transfer until he or she enters their sophomore year. Is that not the case?

Let them play! Let them play! Let them play! Or atleast the senior, he is a senior... It would suck for him to be denied his senior season...

Why didn't they just transfer to Monrovia where they were allegedly living? How about San Marino or Temple City. Somewhere where a big red flag wouldn't have come down. No, they just so happen to go to a football powerhouse. Not exactly a coincidence. How many times will they transfer colleges before ending up at a JC?

So, let me see if I have straight; contrary to the laws that govern our great country, in the eyes of the CIF a person is guilty of an "athletically motivated" move to another school district solely upon the unsubstantiated allegation by a shamed lover? And, even though there aren’t any specific details to support the allegation, they are then forced to prove their innocence? Doesn't this make the CIF a politburo? And, for all of you that like to throw around the "athletically motivated" phrase, ever thought about what it means in practical terms? For example, if a school's athletic program factors 1% in a person's decision to move to another city, are they guilty of this great sin? Or, does it take 10%, 20% or 51%? If there is a CIF honk out there, please post a response so we can have some idea as to what this "rule" means. Otherwise, it is an arbitrary rule that allows the CIF to reach biased results that are void of any factual basis...hmmm, seems to me that this fits the description of previous applications of this rule. And, Political Football, none of the programs you mentioned such as Medicare, Education, and etcetera are FREE, instead, they are paid for by the people via taxation. The bad news is that the government has never ever balanced their checkbook because the idiot politicians have always had the attitude that this was unnecessary because (1) We can always raise taxes to cover past spending and (2) When the bills come due, I won’t be in office anymore and will be collecting a giant pension so it won’t be my problem. After 50 years of this insanity, the breaking point has been reached causing wholesale decreases in how many so called “freebies” the government can hand out, massive unemployment and, unfortunately, a need for a giant tax increase to forestall what is essentially governmental (which translates to you and me) bankruptcy. But, if more taxes are levied then people have less to spend for essentials and entertainment so the economy tanks…sound familiar? And President Obama and his sidekick Pelosi’s answer… spend more, a lot more, including on nearly 8000 worthless pork projects. Europe rejected this “solution” and they are coming out of their recession while the news just gets worse in the USA. And, the government is not a very good custodian of your money; take a look at Social Security. In a few short years there won't be enough cash to pay retirees because for years the government has been taking the surplus to pay for their overspending and replaced it with IOUs, called Treasury Bills. Since the politicians know that the will always lack the cash to buy back the T-Bills, this amounts to nothing more than stealing. Freebies…not really.

When " I don't have a clue how to run this country" Obama runs this country into the ground all of the people who voted for him are going to regret putting him in office. Just today it was admitted that his administration " under estimated" the current economic situation and now our deficit is going to be the greatest in over 60 years. What's even more hilarious is the White House recently saying we have hit the bottom of this recession and then the numbers come out and they predict un-employment to go higher!!

"Obama, unlike Bush I and II, understands that things need to change."

Lets look at some of the changes already. He has managed to piss off cops, the military and a large group of seniors and he has been in office what 7 months? He is also kissing ass with terrorist trying to make peace with them. When is a terrorist ever trustworthy?? I don't think this is the "change" people voted for and he is losing moderates already and even some in his own party and his approval rating is falling rapidly. Nice "change" so far.

Also blaming Bush Jr for these problems is just plane Idiotic. Congress enacts all laws and the last 2 years of his presidency they controlled congress which ironically enough is when the slide of this country started. The leaders of the democratic party were warned of the problems in the housing market (they have it on tape) and the top 4 all said the market was stable. Funny how the blame gets shifted. Soon because of this un-stimulus package we can all expect tax rates of close to 60 percent and our children and grandchildren will be paying for years!!

Thats a nice spin Franky and you are right in this country anything is possible however in Obama's case becareful what you wish for you just might get it. A clueless leader.

Btw jcaz since you are loaded I think you should treat some of the bloggers to a weekend on YOU in vegas? Whatta ya say? Also I got a chuckle out of your joke on the other blog. It was one of your better efforts.

This is LIFE!!!!

Deal with it before it deals with you. Crutchfield ran his program the way he saw fit. Part of it was dealing with Adminsitration, and as such he had to learn the lay of the land.

Was Crutchfield good for the kids, probably...to an extent. Part of being in charge of young men is being an example both on and off the field. Getting all chummy with "the boys" isn't what being a mentor is all about. Sure everyone loves you but eventually that love becomes a dividing line.

The stories are there for those that care to rehash the past, I don't. Coach Crutchfield had a choice to make, in my opinion, and he failed the school, the players and the parents and the fall out is still being felt...and now apparently at two schools. He'll be the first to admit he made mistakes so why slam administrators who were being put in difficult situations of accountatbility.

I hope the Canada family gets what they need instead of what they want, and then maybe others will see the situation for what it was....athletically motivated. No one in their right mind will argue that CIF for better or worse has rules in place...the substance of which should not be argued because it stings when applied.

Everyone knows if Crutchfield stays- so do the Canada Brothers. Everytime I read yet another Duarte blogger attack the administration or system I think about the total break down for authority. Prisons and unemployment lines are filled with people saying the same thing..."life is unfair and the system sucks".

Well, especially in a disadvantaged community, words become the basis for a lifetime of mistakes/negativity and every one will pay because on some level when you don't play by the rules...some one else always has to pay.

The Canada family should just come home and everything will be forgiven and forgotten. I promise I'm just being sincere and without saying so much else let's be honest if Coach Cruthfield was still at Duarte no one would of ever transferred because we've always believed and knew he would of gotten both the Canada's scholarships as well as other talented athletes. I just wish my sons would be taken care of like South Hills has been towards the Canada brothers from the first day they walked into the office. From the time they were commuting and then relocated and now live within South Hills boundaries South Hills has been willing to do whatever it takes to make sure those boys are eligible and happy. We at Duarte have too much pride in protecting and representing our community to let us fail and the Canada brothers still have a second chance to finish what they started with a happy ending. I have to believe we still do have better days ahead of us in the future.

This is rediculous, even if the transfer had to do with athletics, Duarte High only had 15 kids combined of ( Freshman, Sophomores, Juniors, and Seniors) So realisticly if they wanted to even have a chance of playing somewere they regardlessly had to transfer. This is Sad, I know both kids and they are great kids, not only athleticly but certainly academicly. I'm sure this will all get sorted out and they will play this year.

This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard! A family moves there children to a better area...(DUARTE) is gang infested and full of drugs...and you listen to a second rate school and their administration? This is outrageous and these young men should be allowed to play. If they moved to the area, then whats the problem? Stop hating Duarte...if you would show as much attention to your students and athletes as you show to this matter...then maybe students will stop leaving your school. IDIOTS!

Whoa there good buddy !

Look, how am I suppose to reply to you when I don’t even know to whom I’m suppose to be replying too?

In other words, if you're saying something, and if you want me to respond to it, at the very lest, let me know who you are as a blogger so I can address you as such.

You cant always do a "drive by" post and expect people to take you seriously right ? I mean at the least, play by the rules here and ya might get some respect from you're fellow bloggers.

Oh, and by the way, I to tell you the truth, I really don’t even know what it was that you said, but did you ever think that maybe I may have actually agreed with you, and that is why I didn’t respond ?

I know it may be hard for you to believe, but there are times when I’m wrong in here and I say it when it happens.

jcaz,
No reply to the it's too late post.Just what I figured you do , dodge the issue. You really don't have to wait until the just tribbing thread to post a joke as most of what comes out of your mind is joke anyway.

Wow, some interesting responses here since my last posting.

But, I do have few things to add to this whole conversation. Number one, the dude who came in here and busted my chops over my spelling errors made a good point.

I do suck at this sometimes and I really need to use spell checker a bit more often. What can I say ?

Checking in, obviously, you're not a big fan of this president, but give the guy a chance !

Look, to tell you the truth, I didn’t vote for him either. However, he is our president now and I am more than willing to give the man a chance. Remember, (spoken as a true marine that I am here) country and honor first. All our personal BS second.

Mr. Obama is our president. The guys only been in office, what 8 months or so ? Well, weather or not we agree with him, we should at least give him the same chance we gave the last who held that same office.

“Backing jcaz.” Thanks for the good words there big guy, I’m glad you took another look at it and saw it a different way. Remember, in the end what we are only talking bout is giving this kid a chance at reaching his dream. Now, whether or not he ever gets there, well we shall see…

Hey, I noticed that Fred put in a “Just tribbin” thread. Hum, I wonder if it’s time to break out the first joke of the football season ?

checkingin...let me get this straight, but first some ground rules. let's not get personal or flame each other okay...this could be fun....agreed?

medicare? abolish it?
public education? abolish it?
student loans? abolish it?
unemployment insurance? abolish it?
public televison? abolish it?
FDA? abolish it?
Fema? abolish it?
public defenders? abolish it?
state colleges? abolish them?
community colleges? abolish them?

just so we're clear checkingin...which of these government freebies would you want to eliminate?

i'm not including welfare, food stamps and affirmative action...let's start with the bread and butter issues.

time for some magna cum laude research my friend

obama...magna cum laude, experimented with pot, smokes cigarettes and drinks beer with knuckle head hotheads
bush..."C" student, chronic drunk, cocaine abuser who gave new meaning to sliver spooning, and language abuser...google his bushisms....Yogi had nothing on this guy!

You are right Fred. But the question is "how do they prove that?" & after they present their case can Duarte rebut? With the qoutes from the mom? I know Guerrero ended well but issnt this what happened to Shirley at SH as well, but that didnt end well?

Hi Fred, I bet there is a bit of parsing in the answer you are getting from CIF. Yes, the reason they are ineligible is because Duarte challenged the move. Everything Mr. Simmons is stating is absolutely true.

However, what Mr. Simmons is not telling you is the basis upon which Duarte is making their claim. I can assure you that the mothers comments from earlier are relevant to this case and that CIF is aware of them.

To be clear, the comments made by Gala Canada had nothing to do with CIF's decision to declare the Canadas ineligible. CIF spokesperson Thom Simmons told me this. Once Duarte attached a letter and claimed that they felt the transfer was athletically motivated, the Canada's were automatically suspended until South Hills and Gala Canada's mother can prove to CIF that the transfer wasn't athletically motivated. This is exactly the situation Workman's Cezar Guerrero was in before he won his appeal. The previous school, St. John Bosco, challenged his transfer, and Guerrero later won on appeal. We will see what happens in this situation.

This is what Jordan Canda's mom said, at no time is there any specific mention of South Hills football. This is a mom stating that South Hills "had a little of everything," which I can assume meant neighborhood, affordability, academics, demographics and athletics.

"I need to make the statement clear, that's partially the reason," said Gala Canada in reference to the firing of coach Wardell Crutchfield, who has since been replaced by Tip Sanders. "That's the only reason (Jordan and Jaime) were at Duarte was because of Wardell, but they're leaving for a number of things. The athletic programs need help and someone needs to look at that. I have spoken to (Duarte) principal (Eric Barba) and athletic director (Robyn Garcia). The program needs a lot of help. I volunteered all last year to bring as much assistance I could, but I'm one person. They didn't leave just because of the firing. We love coach Crutchfield but this (lack of support) started last year with the principal. This has been going on for a long time and I've had enough. (South Hills) had a little bit of everything. I looked at a lot of schools. This wasn't just a decision we were going to make out of the blue. There was research that went into it and I evaluated a lot of schools."

Again, I can almost guarantee that this is different because Mrs. Canada came on here and said the transfer was athletically motivated. This supersedes any questions of whether the change of adress was valid. At the very least CIF is saying that she needs to come in and explain her comments in the paper before they will approve.

This could easily end up requiring an appeal to the state level which could take well over a month to work through before reaching a final resolution.

Political Football,

Unfortunately, while you wait the government to provide for you, cradle to grave, I'll be taking care of myself and my family---absent the "shackles" imposed by liberals, their collectivist policies, and their peculiar math.

If you want to see what Obama-ism, "good" government, and liberal policies have wrought on this nation, just look at any metropolitan area in the country, south central Los Angeles, Compton, the state of California, the state of Michigan, Illinois, New York (just to name a few).

When the government knocks, keep the door shut--it's cheaper in the long run.

You sir, are no Cum Laude (look it up).

CHECKINGIN...ACTUALLY IT HAS ALWAYS FLOWED FROM WASHINGTON.

NAME A CIVIL RIGHT THAT WAS FIRST GRANTED BY A STATE BETTER YET NEAME A CIVIL RIGHT THAT SHOULD BE REPEALED.

Obama, unlike Bush I and II, understands that things need to change. Ironically both Bushes left the country worst off than when they inherited it and ironically both had Democratic Presidents follow them and get blamed for their policy disasters.

checkingin...why do people always talk in abstract generalities like "what this country was founded on" and "those Washington types" and the classic..."the liberal media"....and yet none of your facts hold true.

Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly, Big Lou Dobbs, Scarborongh, Beck, Savage, ect ect ect...who is the Liberal Media...FOX????

How many liberals hotshpots are heir...Keith Olberman and John Stewart??? or how about Radio? Print media? The Tribune is liberal?

Conservative are the biggest crybaby ignorant sheep on the planet...I mean how else can you stomach an ignoramus like Palin QUITTING to her her State and a Hillybilly Herion addict/drug abuser/womanizer as your strongest leaders?

Laugh at Obama all you want but he, more than any politician today, best reflects the American Dream...that is IF WE CAN ONLY LOOK THE OTHER WAY...SEEING AS HE HASN'T PROVIDED A VALID BIRTH CERTIFICATE.....another Conservative Sheep Herding Exercise....

checkingin....ever wonder how many time Obama has been "vetted" and yet this is an issue on the footsteps of the Second Great Depression?

The Bush Crime Family....'nuff said.

The truth will come out, at the end of the day Ms. Canada's house was being foreclosed on in Duarte, and she was forced into a situation where she was going to have to rent.

Let's put this to bed already.

Mrs. Canada was hoodwinked. Why was she part of the search committee? Let me guess...was that athletically motivated?
She made teh cardinal sin of believing her own hype...plain and simple.

The fact that she exercised that right to participate in the athletic search committee negated any contentions of racial tensions and personal safety as her primary concerns for her children.

The fact is she would have endured though hardships if her first choice had been given the job.

Everyone involved was a knuckle head, with all due respect to the Canada family...you were played ...and you played yourselves, and that's the real deal Holyfield!

Now I wish both Canada boys well. Jordon will be at MSAC next year and earn his way and Jamie will play ball next year for Bogan and maybe be the second coming of Wells...who knows.

My question has always been, what the heck was a woman/mother with no football experience doing on a Search Committee tiring to hire a football coach ? For that matter why would any parent be involved unless they were Joe Montana, had college coaching experience or were a retired former HC.

Good for Baldwin Park.

Brad/Jcaz,

Given the various ploys, tactics, and conscientious moves the Canada family made, I think they're wishing they would have held "pat" at Duarte HS instead of shopping their kids around, believing "they were the second coming".

They have no one to blame but themselves.

As for receiving an invite from the White House, I'll gladly wait til it's occupied by someone who knows what this country was founded on, versus the current occupant who thinks all prosperity and American values flow from Washington DC.

Last time I checked, Duarte has been a rough and bad city for decades. So why all of a sudden is the Canada's looking to get out of the city now? Athletically Motivated..... It's not like Duarte became a bad city over night. Ineligilbe is the correct stance!!!!!

Checkingin, jcaz never said "success and personal enrichment are solely founded on financial position." Instead, his point obviously is that if a person is financially secure, then they are less motivated to pursue actions, such as college, for the purpose of furthering their earning capacity and, second, he argued that these kids should have a choice in their future (i.e. "why are so many people trying so hard to restrict this guys opportunities?") You are dead wrong that "One's social position is arbitrarily imposed by others"...whether we like it or not, wealth does play a very large role in determining a person's social position. Been invited to the White House lately? I am guessing no and the reason why...you are not an "A" list person, that is, you lack the social position, translated to money, fame or pedigree (they usually come in a single package). I do believe that all men are equal in the good Lord’s eyes but, unfortunately, Bank of America doesn’t share this life’s rule that we all teach our children in that they aren’t going to loan me the same kind of coin that Bill Gates can command. I have a college degree and believe in higher education but the facts support jcaz that academics isn’t the end all considering that only 25% of high school students will ever enroll in college and of those, only 25% will actually earn a degree. So, less than 10% of your average high school will get a college degree. Of course, a much smaller percentage will ever play college sports. The point is, high school is the end of the road both athletically and educationally for most kids so why not let them exercise the choice that maximizes their high school enjoyment? Is it fair that controlling, spiteful adults such as the administrators of Duarte High kids get to determine a kid's happiness?

Brad, nobody is saying the kids can't go to South Hills. Athletics is an after-school activity and a priviledge and are governed by CIF. So the Canadas can attend South Hills, they just can't cheat the system and play football.

Jcaz,
To take the line from Carol King it's too late baby. You have aleady taken yourself down to level of the nose in the air rich people who think the size of their bank account somehow gives them a superior status to those who do not have that kind of money . To say the a person does not agree with you because they do not have the money you have is some type of thinking. So what if someone flies economy as opposed to first class, in your mind that makes them so much lower than you. Your little comment about soap operas and that they are there to make the masses feel better about their miserable lives because the of not having money and it makes them feel better to see rich people unhappy. The topper is the line about a fine looking _ _ _ _ _ on your arm in Vegas. Well I guess we know what you spend your money on in Vegas which leaves little doubt what you do on those vacations in Bali. One more thing is the level you percieve to be below you because of a monetary basis is so much higher than you could ever imagine . Before you go there ,no I am not poor and I live a very financially secure and comfortable life so don't put your self preserving twist that I am of the have nots just to satisfy your twisted " money is all and I am better then you because of it" thinking.

I have nothing to do with South Hills but looking at this issue from the point of view of an American citizen, what gives the CIF the right to restrict a citizen's free choice regarding where they live and the resulting schools that their kids attend? Seriously, how many of you didn't check out the school district BEFORE you bought a house? Because, this denial of athletic eligibility is such a restriction regardless of the Canada's motivation to move from one city to another. Is it not simple common sense (and our constitutional right as Americans?) that if a family packs up their belongings and sets up residency in a new school district than their kids are entitled to not only attend the new school (which they are legally entitled to as a resident) but also to participate in any and all programs the school offers, be it music, the chess club, cheerleading or athletics? Folks, we are not talking about inter-district transfers...these kids reportedly live in the South Hills district!!! Someone needs to sue the CIF and put these clowns in their place.

Jcaz,

I appreciate you trying to take the high road, but with views like yours---that is if you still believe in such drivel---it simply implies that you can't substantiate such monetary centric thinking too far into a dialogue.

As for my financial standing, I'd say the same thing to you that I'd tell the current President of the United States, "none of your G-D business".

Enjoy the upcoming football season.

Actually as funny as it sounds, the reason I came on this morning was to sort of back tract on what I said yesterday.

The whole purpose of this thread was to address the issue of this kids situation and the fact that, in my opinion he shouldn’t be denied an opportunity to better himself just because a bunch of old men sitting in a smoked filled back room said so.

Nothing more, nothing less…

Still, when someone takes a shot, I will do react. I suppose that in the end, I am human right ?

To tell you the truth, I have often said that if you don’t agree with me, then no problem, just don’t come in here and tell me that I was given birth by a female doggie, or that there is some issue with my mamas heritage it you get my drift.

So, on that note, and before it gets too out of hand, let me say that you're right. I shouldn’t be sitting here taking cheap shots at people because in the end, it only brings a person down to their level, and I don’t like going there.

Cheers !

After reading Jcaz's comments regarding athletics over academics I was first shocked (because of who said it) then introspective (which means I thought about it a lot) and then decided I did not agree with Jcaz at all. Then I woke up this mornaing and read his comments again and everyone else's since his entry and I now understand where Jcaz is coming from.

The PC's out there will always follow the "rules of the road" the trailblazers will always be the ones that make changes for the better. This country and this world would still be in the dark ages if we always did the things the same way "our fathers used to do it"!! Athletics today are very different from my days and I have 3 kids that have come up through athletics since they were 5-6 yrs old. Fortunately they have also educated themselves successfully through public schooling and I say it this way because they are the ones that have done the work not me and not really through their teachers or the schools.

Look at all of the home schooled athletes in sports such as tennis, swimming and others but when it comes to team sports this is very difficult to do because you need a "team" to participate. Nobody chastises or questions these kids and their parents because these kids are following their dreams of a "professional" career in their respective sports.

Well today, things are different. Club soccer, volleyball, baseball and many other team sports are becoming the conduit to "the next level"!! Isn't that what all "athletes" are striving for, the "next level"??

If the CIF (and the NCAA for that matter)better start looking for another way to "monitor" athletes and become less restrictive to athletes or they too will be facing competition for the sports and schools they supposedly serve.

The writing is on the wall and people like JCAZ will be the ones doing the writing and making the changes!!

Someone can transfer from Army to Princeton but they'd have to sit out a year. Since the kids transfered in the spring, don't they have to sit out until spring? That was the new CIF rule put in effect last year wasn't it?

Jcaz what going on? You used to be so prim and proper but lately you've been hit with the stupid stick. Your sentences and spelling have fallen off and your points are all over the place . The first couple of times I thought is was jet lag but the consistent drop off makes me wonder if something more sinister has gotten a hold of you.

Take this tongue in elbow...see you're contagious!!!!!!!

LMAO...anyway. Explain to me why a well educated man like yourself and a seasoned world traveller would put their family at risk living in La Puente...seriously dude what is that about? Ever see the Jeffersons or how about The George Lopez Show ?

Checking in...Ouch !

An empty and desolate life ? Wow, where did all that come from, yikes !

Anyway, sorry you folks don’t agree with me, but hey, no harm no foul right !!

I mean, that’s what this forum is all about, expressing different points of view.

BTW, let me tell you guys something here. The only time you see people who are rich and living an unhappy life, is in the soap operas on day time television, and you know what ? All of that garbage is mostly fantasy to make the masses feel better about their own miserable lives.

Checking in, you may not agree with me here, but that’s probably because you don’t have too much money to speak of. Now don’t get me wrong here big guy, I of course, have never looked at you're bank account, but I kinda got the feeling that when you go on vacation, you it in economy rather than first class right ?

Sorry, there big guy but that’s the way it is in this world of ours. Money talks and you know what walks.

In fact, to tell you a little story here, I personally know people who went to law school and are now driving trucks for a living. So the very fact that a guys has a ton of degrees, only helps you to decorate the walls in you're living room, but to tell you the truth, it don’t help you get a fine looking be-ach hanging on you're arms in Vegas baby !

Ta, I’m materialistic, through and through, but what a great life it is !!

BTW checking in, I’ll be sure to send you a post card from Bali when I go there later on this year ok.

Hey lame dude,

Shut your mouth. Academics should come first. 2.5 should not cut it...in fact how about 3.0s or better. I played high school sports in this valley and I also got a 4.2 at Bonita...sadly it could have been higher. I wasn't anything close to a stud, too small and too slow, oh well Army suits me just fine. I think leagues need to start mandating higher GPAs. If anything if someone transfers that students parents should look at the academics because if that kid just majors in football and girls he will be ill-prepared for the world when football goes south.

Jimmy C. the idiot,
Do you think we forgot the B.S. you posted in a day. GO AWAY NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU SAY!

To compare 99% of high school athletes, let alone any other high school or college student with Bill Gates is a HUGE leap. Bill Gates was raised in an upper class family, whose father was a successful attorney and mother was on various boards. Bill Gates attended a prestigious prep school which was one of ONLY two schools in the entire country with access to computers. At an early age he, along with Paul Allen were already writing programs for the schools they attended. Their future was set by their brilliance, which was proved by Mr. Gates’ SAT score of 1590 out of 1600! A near perfect score! His wisdom and experience in the young tech (computer) world was well beyond what Harvard could provide due to the infancy of “computerland”. He did attend Harvard, but not graduate. So, to compare Bill Gates to this situation is a stretch at best. The proverbial “student athlete” must be aware of the title. Or does he or she?

Jcaz,

I sure hope you're not a parent. Your utilitarian view where success and personal enrichment are solely founded on financial position is empty, shallow and unequivocal nonsense.

One's social position is arbitrarily imposed by others, and if you're consumed by what others perceive of your placement in the social fabric--- simply based on what they "think" you have in your bank account, well then you my friend are living an empty, desolate life which is not worth living.

I could list dozens of people who had money but who eventually left this world empty and soul-less. Micheal Jackson, Elvis, Hunter S. Thompson, Kurt Cobain are among some of the people who I think would fit in this group.

I recommend you do some self-examination, especially if you're around children and if they (God forbid) ask you for advice.

Academics not important

Look, you may not agree with me here, but look at it this way for just a moment. If tomorrow you’re family won the Lottery (and it was a gazillion dollars), would it really be all that important for you that all of you're kids went on to college and get a degree?

Bill gates doesn’t have even have a BS. Did you know that?

After all, the main reason why people go school and receive an education, is so that it can both, better prepare themselves for life, and to help them achieve some level of economic self sustainability. In other words, so that they can earn a living on their own.

But if you already have all the money in the world, then why bother to go through all that other stuff? I mean, by this point, you all ready got the world by the gonads, right? Don’t agree with me? well just ask Bill….

So, in this example above, a kid wants to transfer because he sees a better opportunity in another stetting. But our society wants to try to stop him. Why?

I mean isn’t that why he’s going to school in the first place, to better himself ? But why are so many people trying so hard to restrict this guys opportunities?

Again, we don’t restrict people’s movements in the academic world. A guy can transfer from Harvard to Princeton and nobody gives a rats azz about it, but if for some reason we try to do that for those that are involved in the world of athletics, it’s a criminal offense. How stupid is that ?

Oh, and by the way, if a kid transfers from Bum F… Egypt High school, to Lolly pop high (or wherever), who to say that he's not getting an education? I mean the kid still has to go to school and do his homework!!

everyone recruits and transfers but it's how you go about your business that will be scrutinized. If it is true that she sat on the board for hire this is almost the same as a favor to the family. The same as a gift. Duarte staff knew this would become public thereby giving them a bargaining chip so that if the family ultimately decided to leave, it would not be without consequences. That's good business.

Prep Fan may just be onto something. And wondering perhaps you just served as whistle blower for the CIF to nail Baldwin Park. Although BP is slightly closer to Duarte than SH.

A couple of thoughts.

1) The transfer issue would be no different if the Canada boys had transferred to Damien or anywhere else. The transfer rules are the same for all schools.

2) CIF polices transfers because the schools WANT CIF to police transfers. The schools do not want to be like colleges and do not want athletic recruiting, the schools adopt and approve all of the rules, CIF enforces them.

3) The likely reason that the Canada's are ineligible while some of the other transfers are not is the fact that the mother came onto this blog (or maybe it was in the paper) and said it was athletically motivated. Normally that charge is very hard to prove, but in this case it was laid on a platter for Duarte and CIF.

Hey recruiter what facts can you back up your claim that Thomas or KG recruit? I mean or is it that the fact that these are good dudes who many now in the community as being stand up people and parents have choosen to send there kids there?

Another point he I think CIF should do what the NCAA does you can transer but you have to sit out one full year no matter if you move or if it you have a finical hardship. This makes it cut and dry and would stop this business.

easiest way to solve this problem would have been to consult with an amat recruiter/booster or thomas and kg at covina!!!!!!!!!1

Wow jcaz, do you realize no one has a sure ticket to the "big time"? How can you place athletics over academics, it's a freakin game and not every good athlete will make it. Don't forget they at least have to pass the sat to get in even if they do recieve a full ride.

all this classroom first crap = academics should come first. yes that is crap. any knucklehead can get a 3.0 or better, just do the work, not every kid has talent..bottom line. shoot, all you need is a 2.0 to be eligible--that's so low that even our educators who made it that low think it's crap too obviously.
dumbass as it gets you say, I still say you're a hypocrite if you would not have done the same.
trust me, as the father of a gifted athlete that can go anywhere she wants to go, the program isn't the best for her to be seen, we're moving on.

Why aren't the two kids, Crutchfield and one of the others that left Duarte and are now at Baldwin Park eligible and the Canada's are not? Why is one pair not athletically motivated and the others are? That doesn't make any sense, they all left for the same reasons, because they fired the coach and wanted out of the school. I'm not a South Hills defender, but why would Duarte challenge the Canada's and not the other two, because they obviously left for the same reasons. This sounds like Duarte just has an axe to grind.

Good for Duarte for doing that. Sorry Bogan, but we all know it was athletically motivated. Maybe they should have moved and you would have no problems.

lamo..."all this classroom first crap"....

and so it goes...that's about as dumbass as it gets !

canada's mom got too much juice being part of the coaching search committee and then left when things didn't work out the way she would have liked. so would her arguments of racial tensions and academics been muted by a better hire or crutchfield staying?

what a joke this is becoming

Athletically Motivated? Probably, but every parent should want their child to grow up in a safe environment.

you are a hypocrite if you say you wouldn't have done the same thing (transfer) athletically motivated or not, you have a gifted athlete who needs to be "seen" with a decent program to maybe get the college education that you may or may not be able to afford -- in a heartbeat all of you would transfer forget that classroom first crap---there may not be a classroom if you can't afford to send him yourself, why not let his talent take him. Duarte had an uncertain athletic future and all the transfers out had to take their kids to something more stable. Could the brothers have carried the team themselves and get a full ride? Probably not. Duarte administration needs to get their head out of their a$$es and go the different direction they wanted in the first place.

In every legal argument the framing of the issue is crucial. If, as CIF has ruled, a student is deemed to have transferred for "athletically motivated" reasons is the opposite equally as regulated...and if not...doesn't that place an undue burden on the student in his efforts to further his education? Aren't all students...STUDENTS FIRST? Why is Sports a regulated factor in a otherwise non regulated arena? Is anyone regulating Gifted Academic transfers?

Case in point...a talented "musically gifted" student is hand picked, identified and "recruited" to a more intensive and prominent school of Arts and the student furthers his "ACADEMIC" potential for a scholarship to college.

What is the difference here?

I blame the COACHES! They are the only ones who make a stink about this while the CIF gets to play the BAD COP.

If the coaches just come out on the side of the parents and students ...all this would go away. I mean isn't losing a player to transfer the same as losing a player to injury? Or is it? Coaches and Principals take this transferring business too personal. I know from personal experience how tough it is to transfer and no school is immune to such pettiness.

Some schools like Damien never fight a transfer. Father Travers opinion, as he's said it to me was, "Damein will lose no sleep over this issue".

The difference for too many schools is...the injured player plays for NO ONE...while the TRANSFER PLAYS FOR THE COMPETITION...and that's what this is all about. Coaches getting their panties in a bunch and showing the kid who's boss! I mean if a coach and a player are butting heads why wouldn't you want the kid gone...and probably his parents as well, lol. And there is the rub...coaches think it reflects poorly on them and their beloved program when a talented kid transfers...I mean is this argument really about a third stringer at Bassett transferring to Glendora?

Speaking of Glendora...Damien had a third string CB transfer to Glendora the year they Damien had their Dream season...no one took notice. I spoke with the Dad at a GHS practice and he put it best..."I mean why pay $5000 for my son to sit? Beside Glendora provides a great education for free!"... nice kid. Best part of the story...kid gets a Sierra League Championship patch his senior year with GHS....bad part of the story...he was a third string CB at GHS as well....go figure!

Coaches love it when they are able to be the big draw but hate it when their OX is gorged...so to speak. Not to name coaches but every coach I've known that is successful "recruits"...those that don't are lying or not trying.

Tough deal all around.

What the hell is in the water at Nebraska? Another LA kid who went to play football there and is now in big trouble. Maybe he and the Phillips cares are an abberation.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4419898

I actually agree with this decision even though its not good for the Canada kids. The CIF really needs to do something about all these transfers. Yes Duarte had problems but this transfer seems to be more Crutch leaving than it does for those two leaving because of Racial tensions. And had those two stayed there wouldn't they be bigger threats on the Duarte team?
Also even if they appeal this ruling will it even be in time for the season to start? Does the CIF speed up appeals in this case? Maybe Joe Amat can answer that one.
This is also a good lesson for all the parents out there whose kids are in 8th grade and are thinking of a school to attend. Do your homework on the schools you want to send your kid too both academically as well as athletics and choose wisely

I'll ask this question to anyone who might know...would any of the transfers deemed ineligible helped themselves if they had enrolled in Private schools like Damien, Bishop Amat or somewhere similar? Especially when some of these students are very good students academically?

Also not sure why more transfers don't enroll at Glendora given their resent success and talent pool.

Does anyone know if public to private would have made a difference?

Fred
Cheaters always get caught :) I'm sure SH can find someone in they're own district who knows how to run with the ball "LOL"

This is unfortunate for the student-athletes, parents, fans, and schools. We should ask ourselves why players want to transfer to begin with. Regardless of being considered "athletically motivated," a transfer within leagues will inherently create conflict.

In the CIF Northern Section (Eastern Athletic League), the rules for transferring are much differnt than in this case. I transferred my freshman year from a larger school to a much smaller high school. After 9th grade, I returned to the larger campus, and was declared ineligible as a sophomore to play varsity sports.

In the CIF Northern Section, a student-athlete must SIT OUT ONE YEAR of varsity sports, after transferring. If the Canada brothers played in the CIF Northern Section, they would have been ineligible from the start.

This presents a huge problem in the CIF, and even mroe so with the inception of CIF State Football Championships in recent years. The CIF needs to seriously needs to address this issue before it begins to lead to much more ominous problems. It is a fact that particular regions not only have the benefit of exposure on a larger scale, but student-athletes are also allowed to essentially place themselves on the best team to suit their needs for the future.

If the CIF wants to ensure an even playing field for all of its student-athletes (who bring in a great deal of revenue for campuses), they must address transfer issues on a larger scale. In my opinion, it shows a lack on integrity on behalf of the CIF.

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Personally I think what the CIF is doing is so stupid anyway.

I mean, in the end, who really cares if a kid transfers to another program for what ever reason? They should just shut up and let these kids play where ever they want to, and stay the hell out of the way.

You know, if a kid went to Stanford because there was a good tech program, and then decided to transfer to Caltech because they offered a better structured environment, then no one would be complaining right?

But, because it's a sports related issue, then it's the end of the world! OMG !!

Look, what we see here is basically the same thing. It’s all about getting to the next level, and that my friends, is absolutely no different from what I just described above.

In the end, the athlete is only trying to get into a situation that will better benefit him down the road. What’s wrong with that ?

It’s funny you know, because every year we seem to have the same discussions, and it always seems that there are people who will always be on one side of the fence or the other. But I think that what it all boils down to, is something I said earlier in this forum and that is that I believe that the CIF is more of a hindrance than an asset to theses high schools.

Maybe it’s time to start looking at either making it conform to today’s world, or consider getting ride of it and starting anew with an association that is more in line with helping schools sports programs prosper, instead of always looking at ways to hinder their progress.

Keep in mind that in the end, it's everyone right to make a living, and it's every athletes dream to make it to the big time, and ya I know, in the end they don’t all end up there, but why do we always have to worry so much about a kid who is involved in sports as opposed to academics anyway?

Unfortunately for Jordan and Jaime, I don't believe their Mother's comments regarding the process helped matters. I read her comments on this website earlier this year. The decision was clearly "Athletically motivated". Can the kids return to Duarte High School and play, especially Jordan this being this senior year?

I'm back, where are you now. It can't be possible that this true . Well it looks like there will be a vacancy at the Boganville Apartments located in Transfer City real soon.

I wouldn't be so worried about it yet. This is the same thing that happened with Cezar Guerrero at Workman a year ago before he became eligible. the only difference is he wasn't leaving an athletically struggling program that lost it's coach. So on the surface this appears more "athletically motivated".

I have always said that as soon as you transfer you should begin to explore eligibility. The Canadas could have begun the process as soon as they enrolled last spring saying they wanted to run track or play baseball to create some urgency to rule on eligibilty. Then they would have had more time to appeal if it doesn't work out.

You can't start the process too soon.

Bogan will guide the parents as to what they need to say so they can play. The advantage that they do have is that Duarte went through alot of issues last year racially and gang related. They can play that card an I believe that they will suit up in september.