The Scouting Guru isn't that impressed with San Gabriel Valley football in 2009
The Scouting Guru has been all over the San Gabriel Valley and beyond, and like always, he's offered to share his thoughts, free of charge. Don't hate, enjoy it for what it's worth, which is one man's opinion on the talent and teams in the San Gabriel Valley and surrounding areas.
The Guru Says: Well, the first half of the high school football season is just completed and if there is one phrase to summarize the season - it's this: A complete dud! After watching CO's implosion in the second half of their game Friday night against Rancho Cucamonga (and I don't want to hear the excuses...everyone was healthy, primed and ready for the showdown), this is the first thought that came to my mind.
In the off-season we heard from a lot of people - myself included - that this team was going to be great - and that team was going to make it to the state championship game. Well, as the results have showed, there should be no talk of that at all. High school football in this area is just OK in 2009. It's not great. Gone this year are the teams in the area that could really compete with the top teams in Southern California. It's just no longer the case. Let's take a hard look at what the pre-season has given to us in the area.
Rancho Cucamonga 35, Charter Oak 25
La Habra 34, South Hills 10
Tesoro 35, South Hills 21
Rancho Cucamonga 27, Damien 14
St. John Bosco 40, Damien 7
Brea Olinda 20, Diamond Bar 12
Santa Fe 43, Bonita 22
Colony 25, Diamond Ranch 20
Elsinore 15, Diamond Ranch 3
Chino Hills 17, Diamond Ranch 14
Venice 41, West Covina 33
Ayala 28, Los Altos 12
And let's just say that Amat will need a miracle to defeat State Champion St. Bonaventure Friday night. To give a little fair balance to this thought, there have been a couple of interesting wins
South Hills 21, Ayala 7
Glendora 21, El Dorado 20
Bishop Amat 28, Compton Dominguez 14
The writing is on the wall. Yes, many of you will tell me that "well it's not fair to compare us to this school or that school." And some will say that "well you have to give credit to these schools for scheduling these types of games." And others will say that "we didn't have these guys for the game, or those guys for that game." And you're probably right.
But to hear the talk on this blog you would have thought that either CO or SH was going to make it to the state playoffs. And the end of the night, they are nowhere near where some of the teams in their state divisions are playing. South Hills took their shots and lost. Charter Oak couldn't handle Rancho Cucamonga and it's doesn't get any easier with Damien this week and Etiwanda next week (oops, there's another non-league game against a team from outside the area...which means another probable loss is in the books).
Look folks, it's great to have a division that is local. It brings out local appeal and fans and players alike can shoot for a precious thing called a CIF championship. But, the evidence is clear and it's as obvious as Secretariat winning the Belmont Stakes. The football in the SGV is good...but it's nowhere near the elite level as it is in the IE or in Orange County in 2009. Maybe Steve Bogan is right when he said that Tesoro "has a great program, lots of kids and tons of money." You can't say that for anyone in this area.
10 THINGS THAT I THINK I THINK
1. I think that I was not shocked when I heard that the San Gabriel Valley Football Officials Association was involved with another fiasco last Friday night in the Temple City vs. Arcadia game. It's one of the worst kept secrets in the area. This association has some of the worst officials working games on Friday nights. Coaches from throughout Southern California cringe when they hear that the association will have a crew working their playoff games. I happen to be at the CIF championship game last year in the Inland Division when Centennial took on Chapparal and to say that this group was below average is quite an understatement. I can remember other games on other nights when different officials from the same association made the same mistakes over and over again. We are lucky to have one of the better associations in Southern California in our area (Foothill-Citrus). They are willing to work with coaches on the sideline to make sure that the game is officiated in a professional fashion. Let me give you one short side story. When I was on the staff full-time at South Hills, I always asked if we could get some officials to work our once a year fall camp practice at District Field. We tried to make it as realistic a scrimmage as we possibly could. Every year, I would ask many of the guys on Foothill-Citrus to come and get some work in. I viewed it as a win-win situation for everyone. The players got to know some of the officials and the officials would get quality work in before the season starts. Remember, it's just not the pre-season for the player's, it's also pre-season for the officials too. We had so many guys that showed up for that one practice- it was great. Plus they treated our staff and kids in a professional fashion. Professional and the San Gabriel Valley Football Officials Association - those are words that should be never used in the same sentence.
2. I think that I don't think that the Southern Section office was too thrilled to see Charter Oak and Rancho Cucamonga engaged in a verbal assault against each other before the game and at halftime. I found it really hilarious that before kickoff that there was a commercial produced by the CIF-SS (yes schools this is where your membership dues go to - paying for commercials on Fox) promoting a program called "Victory With Honor." It's a program that promotes proper sportsmanship on and off the field. So I found it quite hilarious that right after the piece was showed that the cameras focused on the two teams jaw-jacking against each other in the end zone before the game started with the coaches on both sides trying to break it up.
3. I think that while we are speaking of the Southern Section office, I can't let this latest one go by without comment. If you remember back in August, the fearless one (Fred Robledo) passed along a note from the CIF-SS Media Relations Department about their "blogging policy" for the CIF-SS Playoffs and Championship games. What is comes down to is this; if you are using a media credential to cover the playoffs, you are prohibited from blogging during the game. I couldn't believe this rule when I heard it. What the heck is going on at the CIF-SS offices? Was Thom Simmons (CIF-SS Sports Information Director) so bored during the summer that he decided to make himself busy and make the CIF-SS look that much more arrogant with this rule? You'll be happy to know that many people (like myself) will spend our money to go to the games when the playoffs begin and we will use our twitter account (www.twitter.com/sgvierecruiting) to give you the best updates out there.
4. I think that Amat fans can give me grief as much as you want. I went out on a limb and said that Damien would beat Amat. Clearly, I was wrong. So let the flood doors open and take your best shots. But, the game was probably much closer than Amat fans would care to believe. But that is OK. I took a shot at picking a game and I came up short. However, I also said that Rancho Cucamonga would take care of Charter Oak...and they did that. So I batted .500 for the day. But, from all reports, it was a great game and let's hope that Bishop Amat and Damien renew the contract for the next two years. Now, let's try this again...I think that Damien will beat Charter Oak this week. The receipe to beat CO is out there, all you have to do is watch the RC game. Knowing coach Gano like I do, he'll have a few tricks for "Big Lou" and the boys at CO.
5. I think that few around had a great night last Friday night more than me. We were able to make three games in one evening. Here is how we spent our Friday night in the valley (and no we didn't go to the CO game because we DVR'd it at home)
a) First stop Rowland vs. Northview. Wanted to take a look at the best kicker in the area in Rowland Henry Calistro and quarterback Michael Ball. Love Calistro. Saw him kicking before the game and boy the ball just jumps out of his foot. Kicker guru Chris Sailer has Calistro very highly rated. Our service will be working overtime in getting this kid an offer. As for Ball, he is an athlete... no question about it. But his size will make it very difficult for D-1 coaches to take him seriously. He is a prospect though. And I like Northview RB Kameron Germany. With his grades, he'll make any Ivy league team happy.
b) Next stop Glendora vs. West Covina. Got their just as halftime ended and it turned out to be one of the better games of the night. And what made it better was the fact that we had a chance to watch the game with our good friend Chris Rix. Truly one of the great guys in the area (and congrats on the new kid...can't think of a better father). This was a good chance to really take a good hard look at Glendora junior QB Chad Jefferies. Jefferies has decent size, throws the ball with good RPM's but just lacks making the proper reads. He had a chance to stick a knife in West Covina's heart in the 4th quarter but threw a bad ball and had it intercepted which resulted in a West Covina score that let them back into the game. Right now, he's just a good QB...not a great one. But the more he works with Rix, the more improved he will be. .And I really like Glendora RB Andre Holmes. His size will stop schools, but this is a kid that will really thrive in Tom Craft's offense at Mt. SAC. He should be recruited really hard by the Mounties. The kid just runs hard every time and when he gets to the second and third levels - he is gone. As for West Covina, Johnson had a nice game and junior B.J. Lee is one to follow. He is quick, but his size will stop a lot of schools. Congrats to West Covina on pulling out the win.
c) Final stop Walnut vs. Covina at CDF. We weren't going to stop by this one, but when we got a text saying that it was a close one with a lot of time left in the 4th quarter, we decided to take in the final minutes of the game. I like Rhodes a lot for Walnut. Runs hard, plays physical, it's just a question as to whether he will have the grades to qualify for a D-1 scholarship. And I really like their junior wide receiver Aubrey Coleman. That kid has size and good hands. Walnut very fortunate to come away with the win; but at least they won.
6. I think that anyone who booed Mt. SAC offensive Coordinator Tom Craft last Saturday during their game against Saddleback really doesn't know football. Last year, the Mounties had a great offense because they had the state player of the year at the quarterback spot (Nick Lamaison). Problem now is that Craft doesn't have a quarterback that he can trust. You can tell in the play-calling in the Mounties loss to Saddleback. Craft started Tyler Vanderzee and he played admirably. Problem is... he is no Nick Lamaison. For the first time since Craft has been at SAC, he ran the Wildcat offense to try to get some offense rolling during the game. It worked in that he kept the Mounties in the game. But was it Craft's fault that Mt Sac's Arness Ikner got caught peaking into the backfield and gave up a reverse pass for a touchdown? And was it Craft's fault that SAC safety Malcolm Moore grabbed the facemask of Saddleback FB Rory Johnson on 4th and goal late in the game? The Mounties will be fine, if they just can get good production from their quarterback. One can only wonder what would have happened if Chris Allen would have played at Mt. SAC. Hmmm....
7. I think that it's game ball time. So here are the game balls for the week.
a) Offense - Let's give it to Rowland's Josh Onovughe. He carried the ball 8 times for 140 yards and a touchdown in Raiders' win over Northview. Numbers look good to me and so do the Raiders...
b) Defensive Game Ball - (Keith Smith, LB, Charter Oak) - This one was a no brainer. As a high school scout, one of things that you look for right away when you watch film is who is the best player on the field. Those guys are easy to find. And in the case of Charter Oak, Keith Smith was the best player on the field for CO. This was the assessment of one area assistant coach "That kid is an absolute stud." Couldn't agree more. Just love the fact that he is around the football all the time and making plays. And he does it with little fanfare, and little showmanship. He plays the game one way...hard. It is a great lesson for any HS player. On a night that saw many CO players play to the camera, this was the one kid that didn't. When he decides to go to Utah (and he should be doing this in the fairly near future), the Utes are getting a great under-the-radar type of kid. He is moving up on our charts...that is for sure.
8. I think they these are my thoughts on the Rancho Cucamonga vs. Charter Oak game on FSN Prime Ticket
a. I love listening to Chris Magee and John Jackson do high school games. These guys put a lot of work into the broadcast (with a ton of help from one of my best friends in the business Garry Paskiwetz - publisher of wearesc.com) and it shows on Friday night. A very balanced broadcast to say the least.
b. I hope the fans truly appreciate the athletic exploits of Rancho Cucamonga TE Randall Telfer. USC doesn't make that many mistakes in recruiting and he showed on Friday night why he is going to the land of Troy.
c. Charter Oak Running Back Adam Muema had a nice night. But I was hoping that he would have one of those game-breaking runs that he had his sophomore year. He is a very nice "between the tackles" type of runner.
d. Ok, so here is my take on CO QB Travis Santiago. First off, he has a very live arm. No surprise there - since he pitches for the baseball team. But, he has to work on his decision making. The interceptions that he threw were clearly his fault. Now, can he be a D-1 QB? Yep, If he can grow five inches and work on his grades. The kid is a talent though - no question about it.
e. I'm calling it right now, it'll be Etiwanda vs. Rancho Cucamonga for the Central Division championship.
9. I think that I feel sorry for anyone that plays South Hills starting this week. As you may know, Steve Bogan is taking more control of the offense. Which means that opponents will be seeing a lot more formations, shifts and motions than ever before. Don't believe me? Here is what Placentia Valenica Head Coach Mike Marrujo said to the Orange County Register about playing South Hills in 2000, "They are tough to scout. They give you all these formations and then on Friday night, they give you a new one that you are not prepared for." I feel kinda sorry for the Northview DC on Friday night.
10. I think I have this question to end the week... I'd like to know which coaches vote in the CIF-SS Divisional Poll? If CO is the fourth best team in the division, I have oil wells deep in the heart of Texas for you to buy. The polls have become a joke! I went on calpreps.com to see what their computer rankings have spit out and here is what they have....
1. Charter Oak 32.4
2. Rowland 30.6
3. Santa Fe 29.6
4. South Hills 25.9
5. Bell Gardens 20.4
6. Diamond Ranch 19.5
7. California 19.4
8. West Covina 19.2
9. Cresecenta Valley 17.8
10. Schurr 17.4
This sounds about right. And if you think they don't play football in the Whittier area this year, here is one score for you from last week.. Santa Fe 34, San Clemente 20. And SC has a quarterback in Chase Rettig that is already committed to Boston College and is damn good. Think about that one football fans. Have a great week!
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I thought this was a fantastic blog, not only great writing but it has a great layout, well done.
Honestly the SGV hasn't had anything prominent in years...maybe not even the last ten years. There has not been one player or team that has gained national attention in quite sometime. We have our select few that get a D-1 scholarship and maybe a handful that end up at Sacramento State or something smaller but nothing big time. Now I know people will probably be name dropping after you read this but c'mon, you're kidding yourself if you really think that the SGV has produced a major player. Take Bishop Amat, I believe they had two guys end up at UCLA and one of them made the first start in the past weeks. If I'm not mistaken he's all of 160 pounds and will probably get replaced as soon as their recruiting picks up. The SGV player of the year four years ago was William Wagner and he was so good he ended up at Mt.SAC. If don't recall to long ago South Hills' ride to glory was through the Payton twins. Locally they were the top talent anyone had scene and they ended up at Arizona St. and Oregon St. respectively. They had limited playing time and the careers died in college. I even believe that one of them was on Judge Judy for court. Daniel Drayton was placed in the same boat as the twins being from Los Altos. His career took a nose dive at Oregon St. when better talent was acquired. Mr. Ian Johnson had a fairly successful career with plenty of media exposure on ESPN during his time with Boise State. In fact he has been arguably the most successful in the most recent years but went undrafted. Even though his combine results beat out every single running back in the past draft he was still considered one of the lesser talents by most NFL teams. Being picked up by the Vikings is a blessing and we all know he'll be lucky to see a third down here and there behind the likes of Adrian Peterson. Walter Thurmond of West Covina High School has started almost every game at Oregon since he got there up till he has season ending knee surgery a week ago. He's another one who will likely go undrafted and will see his career end in college with the highlight of it all being is interception of John David Booty two years ago. I'm sure there are a bunch of other names I'm forgetting but that is what my point is. We forget because none of them have been worth remembering. The days of players like Shaun Cody or even the old timers like Pat Haden and such are gone. Now I don't want it to sound like I'm bashing programs around the area cause I'm not because it is getting better when it comes to the teams that are being produced. The SGV is good for what it is which right now average compared to other areas. Its not far fetched when people state that there is the PAC-5 and everyone else cause its the truth and sometimes the truth hurts. The SGV is going forward step by step especially with Bishop Amat's win over SB this past week but that too isn't going to happen on a consistent basis. The athletes aren't here to accomplish that.
Guru Shmuru,
You impressed with the SGV now idiot. Don't you ever sell us short again. That shows how much you really know.
Everyone forgot to mention Corona Centennial, Redlands East Valley, Riverside North, and Norco.
The above are the TRUE powers of the I.E.
Rancho Cucamonga got schooled by Bishop Amat 2 years in a row And Los Osos beat BA twice but only by a combined 7 points in two games.
For the 100th time, when people on this blog refer to D-1 ball they are referring to the Pac-5 and not the CIF divisions for state competition which are relatively new.
Is there a difference between Pac-5 and the rest of the Southern Section? Don't answer that! lol! Of course there is!
Other divisions have one or two great programs that could consistently compete w/ the best from the Pac-5. Some examples are St. Bonaventure, Oaks Christian, Corona Centennial, etc. But it's the Pac-5 that has the concentration of power and define Southern California high school football through state and national competitions and rankings.
The fact is that there is no other division in the ENTIRE country that has as many super programs. Here's list of them for the newbies:
Mater Dei, Long Beach Poly, Orange Lutheran, Servite, Crespi, Notre Dame, Mission Viejo, Loyola, Edison, Los Alamitos, St. John Bosco, Santa Margarita, Lakewood, Bishop Amat, Esperanza, Tesoro, Newport Harbor, etc.
Of course some of the above mentioned programs are more successful than others but that's 17 very serious football programs that consistently produce many a scholarship player every year. Most of these school are ranked in the state every year.
That's like having 17 Charter Oaks or 17 Rancho Cucamongas in one division!
Can you even begin to imagine? It's amazing really...
hey sgv scouting i heard the colleges pay you with new radios and new baskets for your bicycle
im not gonna lie when the captain of the team handed you that lettermans jacket i teared up
defenition of "COChargerfan"
the guy who talks crap and thinks he can do a better job calling plays and likes to see CO down so he can say his piece...but when he comes in contact with lou or dom its HI SIR HOW ARE YOU GREAT GAME
i guess i could of summed that up quicker by saying hes a front running tool shed
Wo wo wo, this talk about all the divisions e.g, 1, 3, 5, 7 etc is getting carried a way. COChargerfan brings up a great point in saying that the division rankings of the past "is nothing more than a geographical indicator that CIF doesn’t even formally use anymore". Since the start of the modern state championships,I feel as if it has watered down the CIF championship to make it feel more like a league title. Does anyone else feel the same way?
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JFR said:
GURU, The IE likes you because they don't know you like we know YOU.
-- And you know, I love the IE too... and so do the colleges. That's why they renew their subscriptions to our service year in and year out. Enjoy the season!
Justrab, Los Osos was able to beat Bishop Amat when they played in 07 and 08 so they certainly were able to compete against the (self-proclaimed) best of the SGV. But you’re right that other than a few years ago when Upland took on a few out of the area teams, the IE pretty much stays local. I’m not sure that it’s because they aren’t competitive with the OC and maybe it is just funding or that they can’t find opponents. I don’t know the answer but was it Amat that dropped Los Osos from this year’s schedule? I think that the Baseline League is actually pretty darn good so it is tough to win every year. In last years CIF playoffs, 3 of the 4 semi-finalists were from the Baseline as were the two finalists.
And JFR, first of all, I'd rather be well reasoned than well liked and second, who exactly doesn't like me? Did you take some kind of poll because I have lots of Charger friends? And I have never held myself out as the voice of all the Charger fans and, instead, represent one’s man’s opinion…the same as you and everyone else. I don’t use profanity, vulgarity, name-call or brag about superiority so these are non-issues but if there is something that I have written that you disagree with, then feel free to criticize the opinion. And never forget that even when we disagree that has nothing to do with “liking” each other as persons. The fact that Joe Amat and I have a different opinion doesn’t mean that we couldn’t have a good time rooting for the Bruins together. Don’t you have any good friends that you disagree with their lifestyle, political persuasion, etc?
Just sayin’…you may want to reconsider your D7 put down because that D4 school is coming to town tonight and I don’t think that they are quivering in their cleats because they are playing the D1 team from Amat…do you? When are the Amat honks going to get the “D” garbage out of their brains and understand that it is nothing more than a geographical indicator that CIF doesn’t even formally use anymore? That “D5” Los Osos team from the Baseline League beat you two straight years…so in this example how is D5 inferior to D1? As I already said, CO’s level is a mid-sized public school so why is it necessary for you to attempt to imply something different…perhaps so you can feel better about your team’s mediocrity??? You might think so but the reality is that you can’t improve your own team by knocking down others…in the end you are what you are. So what has recent history told us as to what is Amat’s football team?
FYI, you need to wake up and realize that these Amat honks have so little respect for the so called lesser “D” teams that they constantly come on this blog and argue that it is much more impressive and noble for them to not make the playoffs or lose in the first round at the D1 level than to win a “D5, 6 or 7” title.
For those that just can’t see this, then here it is in plain English…The difference of opinion is over “RESPECT” and not about which teams would beat each other.
Here's Johnny! No Not Really! Its just me!!!
I agree with the Guru. He just doesn't want to hurt your feelings! But I do!!! Hah!!! :-)
BOHICA - Bishop Tamales!!!
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A gain!!!
Get use to it! This is what St. Bonnie says just before they score a Touch Down!!!
St. Bonnie 56 - Bishop the Knifers 2!!!
No PRESSURE, boys!!! You are the BEST team in the SGV (this week)! Pac 5 participants! I know . . . Its hard to participated in this much tougher division!!! :-) I know . . . I know! Nobody understands you!!! I know!!!
Enjoy the game!!! I know I will! Ha . . .Ha . . .Ha!!! :-)
Strait from the Tribune on the eve of your game:
"The Lancers host the Seraphs, ranked No. 3 in the state by MaxPreps and CalHiSports, and No. 17 in the country by USA Today, at 7:30 tonight at Kiefer Stadium.
The Lancers are 24-point underdogs on Calpreps, and face a team that has won eight section titles in the last 10 years, and is 69-5 since 2004."
This ain't Duarte or Workman, boys!
Wow!!! 69-5 since 2004 - Are you sure you wanna play??? :-)
GURU, The IE likes you because they don't know you like we know YOU.
COchargerfan does not represent charger fans! Stop already, you are not well liked in a short period of time.
Radio, Bogan's girl, GURU.
1.I would love to see your defesive calls compared to Lehigh's.
2.I wonder why you would bash a sophmore QB for CO who would be sarting for your boy at SH.
3.Have you ever strapped on a helmet outside of your freshem year in the last minutes of a game.
4.you bash CO kids for showboating after a play, you obviously havn't been to a SH game.
5.Thanks for predicting the damien and your ie teams victory over CO the next two weeks.
6.Still mad that CO denied you a sideline pass last week are you little girl.
7.Radio, I pray we meet your team in the playoffs so we can stick it where the sun don't shine. P.S. Save yourself the pain and stay away, stick to pushing your shopping cart around. I'm looking forward to our next face to face!
COChargerfan - cmon now, let's not confuse the two. You said "win CIF titles at your level" You are not winning titles at " the southern section State Bowl representative" level - it is the Division7 level that you are successful at. Interesting how now "it's not fair" to compare schools because of enrollment - but it's more than OK to weigh your Division7 wins against someone who competes against all those schools with the highest enrollment at the highest level of competition.
Twisted.
COChargerfan,
You wil get no argument from me. I see your point, but I will go on to say how do you compare the IE with the SGV or more specifically the ESGV. The IE could be considered the entire county of SB which is huge. That is larger than 5 or six US states.
What I would say in response to the Guru's positon of the IE is why is Los Osos unable to compete outside of the IE. They have similar funding, facilities and demographics (white, black, hispanic) to OC schools (Edison), but like most modern IE program (CC for example) they come and go.
Yes, the IE has talent, but have not seen the IE compete at the levels it did in the 70's, 80's and early 90's outside of its bubble. And this is after the size of the area has grown (exploded) in the last 15 years.
J
Justrab, for the South Section State Bowl rep, D1 is 2400+ kids and D2 is 1101-2399. The exception is the "open division" rep which can come from any sized school. Yes, the IE schools are all pretty much D1 for the State Bowl. Guru has a history of ignoring the large enrollment difference when comparing the public schools in the IE to the SGV teams. While some are small in size, the private "football schools" such as Oaks Christian are a different kind of animal because they have no recruiting boundries (e.g. the Montana's moved from NorCal to play there) and loads of cash which certainly allows them to put together teams that are above and beyond what most publics can muster. My point is that the CIF Title prize is what most SGV teams are after and not some State Title bid.
COChargerfan,
I believe most if not all of the Baseline (Rancho, Los Osos and Guettowanda) are Division I Bowl candidates due to their size. Your point is well taken, however, as Divison II has all the PAC 5 Catholics/Lutherans due to their size.
Divison II (Bowl) has private schools from 500 to 2,000 many of which compete in higher CIF divisions. I don't know how Charter Oak, South Hills or any public would be able to work its way up past some of those programs.
Unlike CIF for privates, the Bowl system drops these guys back into mid-size public programs (i.e. Charter Oak, South Hills)
It seems a bit unfair and there should be some way to say competive privates should go into DI. Perhaps you double their size or some more complex way to deal with them. Crespi is tiny (500 or less boys), but they can generally compete with anyone.
J
Come on "jsut askin" if you're going to call me out can you spell "just" right? Geez. The context is the southern section State Bowl representative and to name one...not in La Puente.
La Habra beat South Hills 37-10 and Tesoro beat South Hills 34-21- not 34-10 and 35-21 as you stated. Maybe not a big deal but if you're going to write a column it should be correct.
Anonymous,
You forgot to type your name when you posted the comment dranch (taking a wild guess as to who wrote this). Come on are you serious, no one in the charter oak organization is even thinking about pomona ranch as of right now. Now i know why you guys are losing all these games, because your looking ahead too far into future and preparing yourself for the A$$ whooping CO and BA will be handing to you. Pomona ranch 1-3 you just worry about tomorrow playing a 1-2 Glendora team.
CoChargersfan-what exactly do you mean by "at your level"? Are you implying that there are different levels? Can't be. Aren't all these kids just normal high school kids? there's not really a big difference-is there? Where do those "really, really elite teams" reside?"
If one looks at the schools that compete for the D2 State Bowl spot, CO has never been and I suspect will never be the representative...this is a pipedream because CO is a medium sized public school with around 2000 kids that is successful at their level and is not one of the really, really elite teams. But, what's wrong with being good enough to win CIF titles at your level? And it is unfair to compare CO to the IE because the IE schools are pretty much all a lot bigger...Rancho Cucamonga has 3000 kids, Los Osos has 3200 kids, Eitwanda has 3300 kids, Redlands East Valley has 3700 kids, etc, etc. With an extra 500-700 young men to choose from, these bigger schools should be able to find 8-10 more quality players, which really makes a difference. Just think about a team that combined the South Hills and CO talent…now that would be a team that could compete for a bowl spot. I laughed at Guru’s comments that Muema is “a very nice "between the tackles" type of runner” considering that he better be because these are the only types of running plays that are in CO‘s offense. Hey Guru, how many sweeps or quick pitches did CO run….how about ZERO? This conservative approach is what makes CO’s offense somewhat predictable. Regarding no game breaking runs by Muema, give a little credit to #2 on RC (Chayz Holt per Maxpreps) who made two nice open field tackles that saved touchdowns.
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GURU,
I don't see the AZUSA win over ONTARIO CHRISTIAN, isn't that an I.E. team. This I believe has to be one of the strongest years for the Montview League! Why don't you come out and watch a few games for yourself and maybe you might change your mind! SGV FOOTBALL ALL THE TIME!
AZTEC PRIDE!
Hey, SGV FOOTBALL!
You were doing pretty well in your discussion until you started listing teams above you (CO). Haven't you read what the Tribune thinks Biship Tamales is gonna do this year? They projected 3 wins and 7 losses. The first loss to happen this week against St. Bonnie! St. Bonnie is a 24 point favorite.
"Sad to say but no SGV will be representing for a state title." You can't miss what you never had num nuts!
Etiwanda ain't no Rancho, but DR will beat you!!! See you on the 23rd!!! Hahh!!!
Hey GURU,
I'll say this, THE MONTVIEW LEAGUE TEAMS HAVE ALL STEP UP! How about mentioning that. I have a theory about why the SGV is not doing so well this early in the season, and I believe it has to do with the economy. I believe the parents don't have the money to be taking there kids to different schools and to private schools right now, because the money's tight and people are losing their jobs.
I believe surviving these times are priorities right now and not football.
GOOD LUCK SGV!
AZTEC PRIDE!
Guru Who??
I think your hating now, this is a neutral posting. Seems reasonable everything he has wrote.
The SGV is weak this year, I stated before that this year has been one of the worst in recent memory.
Give us a break, Dude!!
The more you write the less credibility you are!!
Just to add to the list below of mistakes you make as a "scouting guru", Rhodes is not a RB, maybe a TE or big WR, but the kid can't hit the hole hard and cannot take a hit, so once again, your scouting talents leave a lot to be desired!!
I think you just throw stuff up there so maybe you will get some recognition, but Dude, your analysis of players is weak at best, unless you say the same thing everyone else has already said first.
Geez Fred, you are much better and far less a "homer" than this guy will ever be!!
Please cut the cord soon cuz all this guy does is make you look bad for believing in him and his "spew".
CO will walk all over Damien and Gano will never know what hit him!! This is not even a fair comparison in teams!!
Go back to being a "waterboy" Guru, cuz you know nothing about talent, teams, and certainly not players!!
Guru,
At the beginning of the season a lot of CO supporters including myself said that there was a possibility to go to the state championship if we didnt lose a game. As you know currently there no hope in going to the State championships- - - unless Etiwanda beats Rancho Cucamonga and we (CO) beat Etiwanda.... Might be a long shot but a possiblity. Then you have to think about all the teams considered to go to a D2 state playoff game and its pretty scary when you think of all the quality. e.g.,
Crenshaw - Knocked of Lakewood
Servite
Moorpark- Knocked of Notre Dame
La Habra- Slapped south hills
Notre Dame
Cathedral of San Diego
Mater Dei
St. John Bosco
Bishop Amat
then you got Charter Oak. Thats a long way down the list to be considered for a state bowl.
Sad to say but no SGV will be representing for a state title. Hopefully we will have plenty SGV teams taking home some CIF chamhpionships.
Guru no has been down playing Etiwanda like you keep mentioning, we know who Bobby Ratliff is. FYI he also just recently committed to Washington State, but Etiwanda is no Rancho Cucamongo either.
Guru,
You are jumping the gun. Tha half way point doesn't hit until after the 9th for most of the SGV. Buy a calendar, PLEASE!
LOL
Glendora beat Anaheim Canyon, 21-20, not El Dorado.
He's not impressed with us and we are not impressed with him. Call it a push.