After two appeals, area realignment will finally be settled on Thursday, deciding the fate for Glendora, Charter Oak, South Hills and Rowland

eagleball said:
Ann,
CIF has everything to do with it (see LATimes Marmonte piece today)

Well sort of. From the Ventura County Star:

“Endorsing appeals by Ventura and Calabasas high schools, the CIF-Southern Section council voted today to move the area’s private-school powers into the Marmonte League for football only, while leaving all other schools intact.
In doing so by a 41-21 vote with nine abstentions, the council — a body representing one vote for each Southern Section league — overrode a vote by the nine leagues in the Northern Area that would have had Oaks Christian and Calabasas change places, with Oaks Christian joining the Marmonte League for all sports, while moving Calabasas into the Tri-County Athletic Association.”

Yeah, it’s called the SS Council but it’s 71 school administrators making this realignment decision. It’s the schools that are doing this to each other not 2 or 3 guys ‘down at the CIF office’.

Wow....Marmonte officials got kicked in the teeth with the Bonnie/Oaks move. Stuff like that makes no sense and makes me mad. They better not do the rest of us dirty!

Ann,
CIF has everything to do with it (see LATimes Marmonte piece today)

Is the vote today or tonight? Any word on what proposal passed?

COChargefan,
Thanks for the compliment . You are correct that in the fact that no matter win or lose we will stand by our LANCERS. We will also be the first ones to come on here to let it be known if we are unhappy with the way the program is headed much like when the previous staff lacked in many areas of coaching and game planning. I don't know how far our crys went but we as alumni do have a voice in the matter because it effects the bottom line and that's when Mgsr starts to listen .

Glendora students will not have to miss that much more school-the Baseline league teams are a straight shot on the 210 and they will be coming home opposite traffic.
Ganesha will be traveling further than Glendora and coming home with traffic, but it will be worth it.

Of course there are politics involved in this, and I have no idea what friends or enemies Glendora has or has made in this process. But the excuse about travel that I keep hearing from Glendora fans is overstated.

The number one criteria by far in assessing these leagues is and should be competitive equity.

La Verne Lutheran travels to Riverside and Wildomar to play league games. The desert public schools have unbelievable travel times. Almost any group of small schools you look at will have travel schedules large public schools would be shocked at.

If all of these schools can afford it, so can Glendora. Is it more inconvenient, absolutely.

Many arguing against the change have conceded that Glendora would be competitive in its new league. I think that extra travel is a small price to pay for that.

Got word that Oaks and St. Bonnies are moving to the Marmonte League for football only in 2010. They wanted Oaks for all sports. (and the TriValley wanted them out for everything) SGV wait & see.

Plaid:

CIF has nothing to do with league alignment... if Glendora is being screwed it's because the principals of the other schools are doing the screwing.

It just shows me yet again that CIF does not care about these kids as students first. How about those Glendora STUDENTS that will now have to miss even more class time to travel further to games!!

I like the Bonita/CO matchups, but I was looking to jump start that natural Diamond Bar/Diamond Ranch rivalry. Plus I thought it would be good to see Glendora/CO once again. A shame to split South Hills and West Covina - almost as much as it was to see South Hills and Covina drift apart (especially competitively)

All these schools should continue any of these rivalries in preseason matchups when they aren't in the same league (as should Wilson/Los Altos)

According to a source within the school district LA's football program is being investigated. I am being told multi players on the freshmen team and one player on the varsity team.

Aaron...while I was rooting for CO to win, it wasn't much fun for me to watch either because I've known Highley since he was a little kid and often chatted with his dad as our kids went thru the local youth leagues together so I was also rooting for him to be successful...the same that I rooted for Paredes last year, Guillen at Damien and lots of other kids spread around the area that I watched grow up and was able to spend some fun times with their parents. For me, this is the thread that binds the SGV schools together as one family.

Too bad that too many fans are front runners because a team needs MORE support when they are losing than when they're winning...but sadly that is not the way it works for many. While I may have a "few" differences with Amat honk, I do admire that no matter whether they are winning or losing, they would still take a bullet for their team.

The good news for Bonita is that basketball is only a few months away and, meaning no disrespect to the other league members, it looks like another good battle is in store between them, D'Ranch and CO.

And baseball is a few months afterwards...it looks like Bonita is the favorite to repeat as league champs (all three of their teams won league last year)...with D'Ranch and CO barking at their heels. It looks like CO is in a rebuilding year after graduating several more 3 year starters...everyone's gone from the championship team...so they are a mystery. But, they'll have a few pretty good pitchers including Travis Santiago so who knows.

Stay well.

COCFan,

You're correct on Bonita's Basketball and baseball programs being extremely good. I was just giving an example as to why Bonita was moved up. That they compete very well in all other sports. Whereas in Football it has been a league dominated by Charter Oak and Los Altos since we'g gotten in.

Yeah about the fans, I don't get it I was there last friday. 31 points before the half certainly hurts, but you've seen Bonita play before. CO winning wasn't really the question but Bonita just came out flat and their problem was above the shoulders and in between the ears after their loss to San Dimas.

As much as many people would want it Bonita is not a football powerhouse. But every decade or so the class will come in and Bonita will have a storybook season like they had in 1999.

And Aaron, you didn't mention that Bonita's boys Baseball and Basketball teams are very good...they are either the league winner or in contention for it.

Joe Amat is spot on with the multi-league packages but sorry Joey and don't take this wrong...I'd swap Bonita and Diamond Bar especially considering that Bonita and CO have a nice rivalry going in alot of sports including Baseball and Basketball.

Hey Aaron...I couldn't believe how few Bonita fans showed up last Friday. Wow..has everyone quit on this team?

Interesting how "CIF" is getting hammered by some on this. But it's the 42 principals of the Mt. SAC area that are in control of realignment. Does anyone think any of the 42 principals wouldn’t be parochial if it concerns their school? Too bad the principals don’t have principles?

I was a kid the last time Bonita changed leagues. However the Valle Vista has not had a Division Champion in football since 2000 when South Hills won the title. I forget all of the teams in the league but the Valle Vista was: Bonita, South Hills, Northview, San Dimas and two others.

The way my dad tells it South Hills wanted to kick Bonita out of the Valle Vista and stay...no idea why as they had just won the division. Bonita moved up to the Miramonte where they have remained competitive in Football but it was a league that was dominated by Charter Oak and Los Altos. Los Altos won the title in two of Bonita's first three years in the league. Charter Oak Won the title in 2001, went to the title game in 2006 and lost to El Dorado. Last Year Charter Oak won the division. It is pretty easy to say that in the latter half of this decade it has been Charter Oak and everybody else.

However one thing that carried Bonita up were the other sports. The Girls soccer team did not lose a league game over a fifteen year period. In Water Polo after winning five CIF championships CIF moved the league up to Division III.

So that is the view from both sides of the coin where a few schools are football schools and Bonita seems to be strong in everything but hasn't been gee wizz bang since 1999. Bonita still competes and has gone to the playoffs several times this decade.

But as TDRohan said, releaguing is definitely political. The One Thing I didn't like was when they went to regional divisions after 2003. It does ease travel costs but it doesn't allow the IE teams that can compete and win in the PAC-5 to have that whole PAC-5 is the greatest division in football. It would be smart to merge the PAC-5 with the Inland Division. And yes I understand that travel makes it harder but most teams scheduled their games regionally before they'll continue to do that. However the Pac-5 would probably need to releague as well...more for competition, or the Inland Divisions merging leagues would have to become smaller. Going back to the old number system would probably be smart.

Joe I do like the association ideas.

Where can I find more info about the realignment? Does the CIF-SS page have any links? I'd like to learn more, and even about schools outside this area. I have read the articles from the tribune, but I am curious to know what else I can learn

Under the present format there's no real way to make everybody happy in all sports. While this is not A, B, or C - maybe people can ponder this for the next time around.

People have come on here and commented that Amat gets to be in different leagues for other sports - yet is in the Serra for football. In the other sports we are in the Camino Del Rey Association that has 12 teams. Every two years - in every sport - if a team in the Del Rey has finished in last place it moves down to the Camino Real and the first place team in the Camino Real moves up. The same situation exists in "Gold Coast Athletic Conference" has 17 teams and 3 leagues. South Bay Athletic Association has 18 teams and 3 leagues, the Western Athletic Conference has 14 teams and 2 leagues, while the Tri-County Athletic Association has 13 teams and two leagues (including St Bonaventure and Oaks Christian in all sports except football)

If they were to create 2 of these "mega-conferences" in the Inland Empire and the SGV it could go something like the groups below. You maintain some semblance of geography and maybe St Lucy's is the one who gets hit the hardest from a travel perspective - but they're paired with Damien so it's tough to battle. You could move schools around however you like to start - because champions and cellar dwellers could move up and down from A,B,C or 1,2,3,4 and it would continue to self-correct in each individual sport.

*Inland Empire Athletic Association*
A. Baseline League: Alta Loma, Etiwanda, Los Osos, Rancho Cucamonga, Upland


B. Sierra League: Ayala, Chino Hills, Claremont, Damien/St. Lucy's, Colony


C. Mt. Baldy League: Chaffey, Chino, Don Lugo, Garey, Montclair, Ontario

*San Gabriel Valley Athletic Association*

1. Miramonte: Glendora, Charter Oak, South Hills, Diamond Ranch, Diamond Bar

2. San Antonio League: Bonita, Los Altos, Rowland, Walnut, West Covina, San Dimas,


3. Valle Vista League: Baldwin Park, Covina, Nogales, Northview, Pomona, Wilson


4. Montview League: Azusa, Bassett, Duarte, Ganesha, Gladstone, La Puente, Sierra Vista, Workman

Again. The advice is free... and worth every penny. If only they'd ask.

Something to realize is that re-leaguing is not just about being competitive and winning or losing.. C.I.F. states the three criteria: geography, enrollment and competitive equity.. In Glendora's situation, they were asking for relief for numerous reasons.. As far as the Baseline is concerned, it makes no sense to place them in the league when you look at all three criteria.. It really makes you question what the motives are in moving them and how in the world, C.I.F. can justify the move by the basis of their own criteria.. It shows just how political and petty this process really is.. What happens when Glendora cannot afford to match all the travel costs? What happens when they have to start cutting back? How are they going to cut back? Will they have to remove a sport? If so, does that mean they have to remove two sports because of Title IX? How can you justify getting rid of Water Polo over football? Doesn't that show a bias? These are all questions that can and should be avoided by leaving Glendora in the Sierra.. It makes no sense from any perspective, fiscal or fairness, to place Glendora in the Baseline league.. In a time where school budgets are getting tighter and tighter, it is unfathomable to think they would put a school and district in a situation like this..

Proposal D

Sierra League: Glendora, Ayala, Chino Hills, Damien, Charter Oak, South Hills.

Or

Propsal E

Sierra League: Glendora, Charter Oak, South Hills, San Dimas, Damien, Bonita

Glendora screwed themselves. They had a good situation in the Sierra League. What other league did they think they were going to be placed in? They finish in the top half of the Sierra League in almost every sport. So why do they need relief? Relief is for those schools that regularly finish in the bottom half of their leagues. In the case of Nogales for example. Other than basketball (for the last 4 years) and baseball, they have finished last or near last in every sport. They are the only football team in the league that has never made the play-offs. They didn't want to be in the league with South Hills. The VV is a good fit for them.

SGV430 Ouuut!

Im not going to come in here and act like I know anything about realignment. I understand some schools may not want to get bunched with powerhouses for fear of not being able to compete.

What I do see though are some big leagues. One of these proposals calls for an 8 team league. That could hurt some powerhouses by not allowing them to schedule enough pre-league games.

Anyone see that as a problem?

Simply doesn't make sense from any aspect as far as Glendora is concerned.. I wrote an article last year about the re-leaguing after talking to Spengler and looking at all the possibilities.. It is all politics in re-leaguing.. Every school is out for themselves which means schools form voting blocs and end up ganging up against some of the other schools such as Glendora/ Rowland.. Tough situation to be in for any school.. Glendora actually asked CIF for relief and ended up moving up a league in terms of enrollment/ travel/ etc.. Just doesn't make sense at all.. Glendora is so well rounded in all sports though so as far as competition, I think they aren't as strongly affected by the move, but the cost in terms of travel would be absolutely rediculous.. They will really be hamstringed by the move and how are they going to make up the rising costs of this move? Their average travel time in league would be 43 minutes as compared to say Chino Hills which is closer and makes much more sense..

Second Hand Sam..I know enough to not touch anything that you have if you get my drift....what "member" are you holding on to?

COChargerfan,
There you go again with that second hand information again. Didn't you learn anything when you posted that type of info before. Member you member.

Just a local grad who follows high school football. No matter what proposal takes place, would love to see DRanch vs DBar finally its a long time coming. Might not seem exciting to others but for residents and students in the area it would be a good game.

Glendora has over 1000 more students than San Dimas or Covina? Should not be in same league.

I'm not one of CO's decision makers so I'm not making some official pronouncement, but someone that should know told me a few months ago that CO will accept Proposal A and not appeal.

This releaguing appears to be football driven so my two cents is that Rowland, who is supposedly the top team in the Southeast, is appropriately slotted and South Hills is in the same boat as CO of having to compete against much larger public schools and Damien but aren't outmatched in football and baseball...but can't say the same for most other sports. And CO vs. SH rivalry will be exciting but both teams will be need to be at the top of their games to win any Central Division CIF Titles.

Fred, is it correct to assume that the leagues within the Divisions are staying the same? Because, I haven't read anything to the contrary.

Other than more travel, does Glendora really have it any tougher...after all, even with changing leagues they are still in the Central Division for playoffs.

Real deal...I agree with the exception of tossing out Covina for not competitive reasons and replacing them with Diamond Ranch. That's what I'd like to see. Unfortunately, it appears that D'Ranch of all people objected to being with these schools for competitive reasons...go figure. Even more puzzling is how DR was able to successfully object to this obvious league lineup. What's going on behind the curtain?

Glendora does get the raw deal.

Can anyone explain to me why Charter Oak, Bonita, Glendora, San Dimas, Covina and South Hills are NOT in a league together?

Fred-After a proposal passes when will CIF start deciding how the playoff divisions will be set up? Football, volleyball, baseball, softball, and soccer will all have to altered depending on the success of the teams in the new leagues.

Makes no sense what so ever!!! Glendora is screwed.