Bishop Amat Next: Lakewood, No. 4 Seed, 10-1

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cochargerfan,
So cutting thru you logical deduction you are saying their schedule did not help them and does not help them in the playoffs. If they subsituted their opponents with CO's schedule according to you they would be just as ready for the Pac-5 playoffs. It may not determine who you are as a team but it does go along way as to how you perform as a team when facing top talent. On your counting of D-1 athletes comment you were the first one who said schedule doesn't matter what matters is they have 4 D-1 scholarship athletes. The natural comeback would be that Amat has faced teams all year with D-1 scholarship athletes so it is nothing new to them.

ALL TIME...no, I did not make a mistake but actually just made a simple statement that the weak Lakewood schedule argument ignores the fact that they have some very talented kids but others blew this up into their own interpretation and side arguments...for example, now some folks are spending their time arguing about the number of D1 athletes on previous opponents...who cares?

And ALL TIME, have you been out on the field playing this season? If not, then exactly how would you know what it is like to play the best of the best? Because, if you are just an observer, then your experience is no different than mine (I saw the game on TV)…so get real pal about this you know everything and no one else understands nonsense.

And what I'm saying is called logical deduction...here's your answer...the TALENT of the Amat players have allowed them to win 9 games on their schedule and if they replaced the opponents on their schedule with 9 new teams, then I suspect that they would still have won 9 games and would still possess the same level of talent that they currently have. SO, this would mean that WHOM you played is not the end all to determining who you are as a team. Cabrillo played a brutal schedule so did they become better prepared to win as the season progressed? Nope, they still went 0-10 because they are just not very talented…THAT IS MY POINT.

We can agree that the experience of playing games to get comfortable with executing under game conditions is important but this wasn't what I was saying...I’m truly amazed that my simple comments turned into this discussion…just amazing.

Hope everyone has a happy Thanksgiving and best of luck to all the SGV teams on Friday night.

cochargerfake,
You have stooped to an alltime low . Say you made a mistake and correct yourself. Say I misread the post. But to say each game starts at zero with no TO's no TD's what a cop out .You know damn well they were talking about facing similar offenses and that Amat learned to tweak the defense towards a passing offense when Crespi beat them because the whole valley knows you cannot run against the Lancers and the pass was and I say was their weakness. Also the what if you schedule tuff and lose and don't make the playoffs . What does that do for you.What kind of bull is that I can understand that totally from you because you follow CO and they and you have no idea of what it is to play the best week in and week out. Now don't cop out on that by saying you only follow because of my kid but I went to( I think Monrovia )or whatever. Ask yourself this , did Amat's tuff scheduling help them to get this far and become the team they have become because they played that tuff schedule and went 9-1 and made the playoffs.don't you think they are a little faster, stronger, and quicker for going now 10-1 against the best . I am waiting for your answer. Let's see you dance around this with some of your classic retoric and double talk.

AMAT,
Has seen several d-1 players, I think Crespi had 7 prospects, Mater Dei 5, Loyola 4, N.D. 5! I know one thing, that is #74 Orduno/ left tackle has faced 6 D-1 committed players and has given up 1 sack! He has been DOMINATE.
This week he gets Notre Dame commit #8 Justin Utupo, can't wait to see this match up, should be good for AMAT.

For the books, I think Amat has 7 d-1 prospects!

ON BLUE!!!

Yeah, not only do I believe that each game is decided on what happens during the 48 minutes of play but it is actually a fact...come on now, each game starts with a zero to zero score and a blank stat sheet...you don't get to carry over prior TDs, turnovers, etc from other games. And, each contest has games within the game, namely, individual matchups that impact the outcome. Consider this scenario...does playing a strong schedule prepare a team better for the playoffs IF they have so many loses that they don't even make the playoffs??? Obviously, the answer is NOPE. If a kid is fast, quick, strong etc he's going to be the same regarles of whether he's up against a good team or bad...not going to change.

COCF,
So what you are yelling is that the fact that we got blitzed by Crespi's passing attack had nothing to do with our improved pass defense against ND and MD.If Crespi found those holes in the secondary why couldn't ND or MD, maybe because they weren't there anymore do to learning from our mistakes against Crespi. Now for the 4th or 5th week because Loyola without Barr did go more to the pass, in a row we are facing yet another team that relies heavily on the pass and those 3 or 4 games will no have effect . Yes many have pointed out the schedule of Lakewood compared to AMAT's but as many have also said our's prepares us for these types of teams with D-1 talent and maybe their's doesn't . Maybe Joe AMAT can give us a breakdown of just how many confirmed and possible D-1 players on the various teams we have faced. We are not taking that fact lightly and if we solely went on strength of schedule to base winning or losing you would be 100 % correct in stating that would be a mistake. For the most part I believe the Faithful and others are saying we are the better total team rather than a group of D-1 prospects or committed individuals on the same team. Believe me we know this will be a tough game and we need to play our best to come out on top because strenght of schedule only prepares you, it does not win games like these , execution of game plan and adjustments to that game plan does that.

COChargerfan,

Sorry, but have to pile onto the that one. To say, "...turnovers in a given game has absolutely nothing to do with your PREVIOUS schedule…NOTHING...end of discussion..." is missing the boat by a long shot. While I do agree that much of execution is developed at practice BUT there are MANY factors in a game situation that prepare you for future game situations.

When a team faces subpar competition it enables them to "get away with things they may not be able to do against tougher competition. You don't have to get quite as low on the block, or wrap up quite as much on a tackle.... or cover up that football and concern yourself quite as much with ball security. It effects decision making in an even bigger way - especially in the red zone. Quarterbacks feel they can squeeze balls into places they won't be able to otherwise, timing can be a little off and routes don't have to be run quite as precise. You can't say that doesn't effect you the next week.

Because on the other side of the coin when you have to execute week after week with very little slippage just to survive from play to play - that builds better habits... and habits make the player. I know a year ago the Lancers had a stretch prior to league with a few games short of Pac5 sandwiched around a bye week - and we slipped a bit. They practiced just as hard with the same focus, but had different game experiences.

That is the difference between Amat's schedule vs many other's schedule. We have to respect EVERY opponent we face in the Pac5. No one could take ANY opponent in the Pac5 playoffs lightly, so no one is overlooking Lakewood - just pointing out that their dominance is a little scewed by their competition. Kinda like CO shutting out the whole Miramonte league. It says as much about the rest of the league being down as it does CO happening to have a pretty good collection of athletes to get that done. Would they have done that in the Sierra League? Or would Lakewood have seemed as dominant with Loyola's schedule?

As I said before from this point forward there are NO surprises. Anyone can beat anyone - and everyone knows that. Then when you face someone tough enough to expose a weakness... you learn from that and take it into the next weak. But if you haven't faced teams tough enough to expose a weakness it's possible to get exposed at the wrong time. Then you finally play someone with equivalent speed, strength, or scheme and it's a surprise.... then the game ends up closer than it should.

You wrote, "EACH GAME IS DECIDED INDIVIDUALLY WITHOUT ANY CARRYOVER FROM PREVIOUS GAMES." You can't REALLY believe that ... can you?

Hey Just asking’, having turnovers in a given game has absolutely nothing to do with your PREVIOUS schedule…NOTHING...end of discussion. Bottom line is that a team’s level of play is pretty much determined on the practice field with execution and turnovers being the game time variables.

The Baseline between RC, Etiwanda, Los Osos and Upland was very competitive this year…did you look at the scores because the games between these teams were mostly less than 3 points. Also, injuries to key players play an important part…do you have any idea who missed games or played at less than 100%? Didn’t RC lose their QB early in the Etiwanda game? Did you see that all 4 of these teams EASILY won their opening playoff games…so your argument falls flat on its face because this actually proves that they are ALL good teams.

On to Lakewood, my comments were directed at the “weak schedule” folks who are ignoring that this team has some really good skill kids…the difference is that the Amat bloggers respected their fellow Serra league opponents for this very reason but are ignoring this fact when looking at Lakewood and, instead, are focusing on their schedule…just saying that I believe that this kind of logic is a mistake. And, just because you were able to stop SO ND’s passing game by pressuring and sacking their QB doesn’t mean that you will be able to do the same to Lakewood. EACH GAME IS DECIDED INDIVIDUALLY WITHOUT ANY CARRYOVER FROM PREVIOUS GAMES.

If anyone wants to say who beat who and who played who close, then Lakewood lost by1 to Crenshaw,Norco lost to Crenshaw by 3,Norco beat Corona Centennial by 1, and Mater Dei destroyed Centennial and get beat by Amat, so Amat should win right. Really though all that matters is how they play this week not anything else.

K.H. & sorry bishop nation,
Sorry guy's I was jokeing, they are both called the Lancers [my bet was that the Lancers win].

SocalHSFootballFan

:)

TCBRUIN !

I couldn't resist. He he

COCF,
The main thing about this team is they learn from their mistakes . What they got out of the Crespi game carried them over ND which also has an excellent passing game. MD with Blackwell similar but not quite as good but still a passing team and we did pretty damn good shutting them down also. I say our pass defense has vastly improved since the Crespi game and not the weak link it was and although Lakewood does pass we should be up to the task. Playing those tough teams in our league really helps in the opponents we will are are facing in the playoffs. Although you are pulling for us I don't think you really see this team for what it truely is and that is a team that makes the adjustments and has great game plans going into the game. If that plan is not working out then the staff makes the adjustments that need to be made at the half but so far they have been right on.

jcaz,

Saw your comment on RR in the LAT.

Lets just say Coach Hagerty knows he dodged a bullet for those of you who taped the game check it out.The play calling in the fourth quarter up until the last drive was way to conservative scared to throw a pick and no confidence in his QB giving back the ball to MD way to quickly.I'm sure he knows now the football Gods were with him on this one but playing a team like that who can score quickly you need to put the dagger in deeper when your ahead and score again. Lets hope the coach learns from this because luck always runs out and sometimes it takes big game experience to win championships. Peace out and kick butt Amat"""

Great win by the the Men in Blue on Friday night. At this point in time it really dosen't matter comparing strength of schedule and so forth. That is what prepared the teams to go far in the playoffs.I will say that we will win on Friday because between us we are the best group playing as a team and not a collection of D-1 prospects of committed players on the field. Individual talent is great as we saw with Blackwell but where was MD's running game. Other than the drive late in the game it was non exsistent.You can all keep saying our next opponent will beat us and will keep making you pick a new team each week to beat us . This team is playing great team defense and the offense is really firing on all cylinders at the right time. Looking forward to another great game on Friday and as always we are focusing on Lakewood now and no other.Remember there are no easy games or weak teams in the playoffs so it will be a battle. To the Men in Blue enjoy your Thanksgiving day practice and keep your eyes on the prize. Stay focused and everything else will take care of itself. GO LANCERS.
To kh,
Points or no points why bail on us now. You will be sorry . Dan steak and eggs on AMAT sounds good. Good luck against CO on Friday . I think the Bulldogs have a real good chance in this one. They are the most underated team in the playoffs and just might suprise the Chargers.

Lancers have been battle tested against Southern California's finest HS programs and have proven beyond a shadow of the doubt that they can not only compete with the best, but also can beat the best. Lakewood is a powerful team filled with talent, but have not played the type of talent that Amat has faced every week. Amat has improved each weak and it's success comes from a cummulative team effort and NOT individual effort. I've been to Amat games for the last 20 years and this team may not be the most talented Amat team but it plays with heart and an unparralleled desire to achieve at the highest level.

Please, we don't need hypocrite supporters like COcupcake. Don't root for us and then put us down in the same sentence with this "I'm rooting for Amat BUT....." you big hypocrite. Go root for your cupcakes. Go Lancers! Go Bulldogs! Go Panthers! in the playoffs.

We play only the best can you say the same COCupcake?

9 games Head to head against Lakewood

Amat 8 wins

Lakewood 1 win.

Robbed? I don't think so. Look at the game again and you see the Mater Dei guy push off first.

MD whiner-if you go back and look at the tape, MD made first contact when the ball was in the air-PI on MD. Rio was just tougher and pushed back-THEN made the game winning TD catch.28-21 Lancers. 91-15 All-time. 2-0 last two meetings. Lancers over the Butterflies.

COChargerfan-How did all those "D1" recruits you always talked about with Rancho Cucamonga having help them against Etiwanda and Los Osos? It's not the team with the most individual talent it's how the TEAM plays. Individual talent gets in the habit if "just making plays"-because they can do that against weaker teams. They have to be solid against better competition. The last 5 teams Amat has played have all had multiple "D1" scholarship athletes just like Lakewood. Can Lakewood say the same. When TEAMS play easier schedules they get in the habit of getting away with things against inferior teams that won't work against tough competition. This leads to even #1 seeds struggling against #16 seeds and doing things-even in the 11th game of the year-like "turning the ball over FOUR times...two INTs in the end zone, a fumble on the 25 and at the end of the game on their own 30" creating opportunities for opponents with fewer "prospects". Disagree?

Ruiz pushed off on the last TD no call by the refs. MD was robbed.

socalhsfan. You are just another blind amat fan. they are going to lose in the playoffs just like the last 15 years.

Rooting for Amat to go all the way but family guys you may want to think twice about your overhyped "weak schedule" argument and focus on what really matters which is the fact that Lakewood has four D1 scholarship athletes...QB and WR to USC, WR to Arizona State and DE to Notre Dame...regardless of who they've played, they obviously have talent. And, the problem as recognized by the Amat fans is pass defense...you're up against a D1 QB and TWO D1 receivers which in my mind is cause for concern.

Thank you JCaz. I've been reluctant to say too much about Amat this year do to the large following of haters. This time I figured if i break it down enough people are less likely to say things. But the will. I wonder what Fred though? See you Friday, hopefully I'll be on the sidelines!

Lakewood High School is way to small to support the expected crowd. We should call CIF offices and let them know we think it should be moved to Cerritos College or Mt. SAC!

Fred,
After all this time you come on here and type not trying to scare the Amat nation. Amat nation , Fred why would you do that when we have been trying to git rid of that nation bit. Trying to scare the Amat Family ok but nation , shame on you Fred. But either way you really think you can scare us with Lakewood . Just look back at our last three opponents . We will be ready and the Amat Family will be out in force.

Lakewood-24 Bishop-7

Hey kh and Dan; i want want some action on that Lakewood game. Lakewood 28 bishop 0. For Entertainment Purposes Only.

dan.
ill take lakewood.
how many points will you give me .dont gamble but will go for a breakfast at the preppertree in glendora on the loser.let me know k.h.

Lookslike another of Freds obit pieces on us again, just like he wrote when we were about to play Notre Dame. Is Lakewood that good? I say no but wee'll find out Friday night.

00,
Did you get to see the game in NY after all?

I'll bet anyone the Lancers win.

I just don't get how one can make the argument that Lakewood is a strong team. They've proven nothing all season considering who they've played. They may very well be a tough opponent, but my point is that they haven't been tested and there is no metric by which to say that thay are any good. To assume that Lakewood can take this game is at best a shot in the dark.

SocalHSFootballFan

That was hands down a great post. Way to break it down dude !!

Well if this was at amat i would say maybe amat could pull off a close one. On the road though I say Lakewood will take it easily. Not a blowout but not close either.

Come on evryone, you all act as if tough, big, strong teams are new to Amat... We have seen this all year. Tough teams, bigger teams is what we have faced all season long. Many expected us to lose the last 3 or 4 games because of the team was tougher, or bigger, or stronger. This isnt any different than the teams we have faced. The boys are ready, they know what to expect. Do you really think any different?

HERE IS A VIDEO OF EDISON'S 36-29 WIN OVER MATER DEI:

http://video.ocvarsity.com/m/26682795/edison-wins-a-thriller-with-mater-dei.htm

Pac-5 representative Huntington Beach Edison high is currently the #1 team in the State of California and #6 in the U.S.A. according to Calpreps.com

where is the game gonna be played?

The way to beat Lakewood is make Jesse (over rated) Scroggins pass the ball.He does have a strong arm BUT he get's big numbers when the game is no longer in doubt. There running game is what to worry about. Make him throw the ball.Lakewood's running game is what wins their games NOT Scroggins. Every team try's to stop Scroggins and gets beat by there running game.IF Scroggins throws TWO picks LAKEWOOD WILL LOSE!!!

Amat nation isn't scared. We're very aware of Lakewood's power and truly respect them. However, all the teams left are powerhouses. Let's tee it up and may the best team win !

Go Lancers!

I agree with just saying. I've watched both teams play. Ive seen the film on Crenshaw, Poly and Newport. When you face teams with a combined record of 52-62(41-61 if you remove Crenshaw, 20 below .500 Yikes!) You should have the stats and record they do. Compare that to Amat's 67-50 Opp record and compare the schedule Max Preps has Lakewood at a 22, Amat at a 32.3 Huge difference. Poly is on a down year. It was a good year for them but I wouldn't exactly call it a quality win as you would in the past. The Crenshaw game was the 1st week game I usually don't highly consider those in my strength of schedule stats. They are more of just a thought games. Teams aren't usually prepared there's no film to coach against kids are nervous. As you see in the film here the play was very sloppy from both sides and a lot of the catches were juggling. Besides Crenshaw's only quality win this year is Norco. The Newport game was typical Newport all year. They had their injured star. but all except their one upset win over Loyola they were destroyed by other solid teams like Dana Hills and that was WITH their star. Amat has Beaten 5 star caliber programs and solid programs in their respective divisions. I'll start with Mater Dei Last week. A perennial powerhouse. Ignore their record MD is good. They lost to great teams and they only reason they didn't do as well as usual is because of their youth. They will be a force next year. Go back a week to Sherman Oaks Notre Dame. Nationally ranked QB and just a stellar program and talented team. Not to mention they are still in the PAC 5 playoffs and after seeing them play a few times this year I believe they can hold tight with Mission Viejo this week if they can get their running game in the mix. I'll move on to St Bonnies. Nationally ranked in the top 10 until Amat knocked them off in an amazing game. They are also still playing and will most likely win their division and possibly play for the state title. Another quality win over Mission Hills Alemany. Also still playing for a title and will be heavily favored throughout playoffs. Not to mention the high praise their head coach game to Amat after the game. They also have wins over West Co and D-Ranch who are still playing Past thanksgiving. Victories against a good Loyola team and even though they lost to Crespi I believe what they took from that game got them through the last two weeks. I also think Crespi is hands down a better team than Newport and could have made it to the Semi's and maybe even finals had they been the wild card. Lakewood only has Poly still in it but on a down year, and 2 other teams that were blown out in the 1st round. So yes Fred they beat teams they should have. Hell if Amat played two 0-10 teams and the weak preseason schedule Lakewood has I doubt anyone would have doubted at least a 6-4 season. I also doubt they would have been half as prepared for the Serra or the PAC 5.They haven't lost at home, But either has Amat and look at who Amat played compared to Lakewood at home. Lakewood... um no one.. Amat... Mater Dei, Loyola, Notre Dame, Alemany and St Bonnies. Last but not least. Yes they are averaging a 32 point victory, but to who? They beat Poly by 14 and NH by 17. The better teams by only a couple scores. I see Amat doing well here. Lakewood is a good team but I don't see them as one of the elite like people make them out to be. If the squeak by Amat Edison will win by 20. Im not sure that will happen though. My prediction.. Amat 27 Lakewood 14.

Well I hope Amat can pull it off, but outside of their home stadium..... I see a hard fought game that they will probably lose. Although im hoping they can get as far as Edison I really doubt they will.

I felt during the middle of the season that Lakewood was probably one of the best teams, if not the best team, around. I still feel that way. Scroggins is the real deal. Scroggins' father wanted him to be a quarterback. As such, when Scroggins was a child his father would put him through some hardcore upper body workouts. His father felt that arm/shoulder strength was vital to his son's development as a quarterback. Well, needless to say, Scroggins upper body is massive for a high school quarterback as evidenced by throws that look like they're leaving the arm of a college player instead of a high school player. He is ranked by nearly every recruiting service as one of the top 10 quarterbacks in the nation and has already committed to USC.

Don't let the rave review fool you though. I've written only about Scroggins, but in reality any team playing at this point is not a one man team. There is no way ANY team got to this point with one or two star players. Amat in my opinion has the complete package and that my friend is what wins games.

just to balance Fred making them sound like the Florida Gators - outside of LB Poly and Crenshaw Lakewood has played

Palos Verdes - 0-10
Mayfair 4-6
Verbum Dei 6-4 (a Division 10 team who lost to Cantwell and needed a 4th quarter TD to beat Bosco Tech!)
Compton 4-6
Cabrillo 0-10
Jordan 3-7
Millikan 6-4 (out of playoffs after losing to Edison 59-14)
Wilson 6-4 (out of playoffs after losing to Mission Viejo 41-14)
then beat the wild-card 6-4 Newport Harbor who poayed without their stud running back who carried them all year.

comparing that to Amat's schedule and the teams they've faced - I'm sure the Amat Family isn't any more "scared" than facing Bonnies, Alemany, Loyola, Crespi, Notre Dame, or Mater Dei.

I'll bet the Lancers win.