Just Tribbin: Now that leagues are realigned, how would you change playoff divisions?

"every team in the serra league would fight that move with everything they have, that doesnt even make sense the serra league has been very competitive in the Pac 5"

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SGVsBest,

This is Great News! Recent reports indicate that according to SGVsBest, using his and only his criteria, the Trojan Tire Flipper ranks Bishop Amat tied at #4 in CIF-SS Division 1 football during the last 15 years that he continues to reference.

Based on the "SGVsBest OCC Formula" (Only Championships Count) eligible teams are ranked only by # of titles won - and the last 15 Championships, that he continues to reference, go like this:

97, 99, 00, 01, 04, 07, 08 LB Poly (6.5)
96, 98, 99 Mater Dei (2.5)
03,05 Loyola (2)
95 Bishop Amat (1)
02 Los Alamitos (1)
06 Orange Lutheran (1)
09 Servite (1)

An interesting tidbit is Amat also has wins over 4 over those 7 teams in the last 6 years (during their "mediocre" years as a "participant" in the Pac5) and is 4-1 vs that elite group of champions in the past two seasons, with last years final minute loss to LBP the only blemish on the record.

To get a complete Pac5 Top 10 using the "SGVsBest OCC Formula", you need to go back more than two decades to 1988, and it looks like this:

97, 99, 00, 01, 04, 07, 08 LB Poly (7)
91, 94, 96, 98, 99 Mater Dei (5)
90, 03,05 Loyola (3)
92, 95 Bishop Amat (2)
02 Los Alamitos (1)
06 Orange Lutheran (1)
09 Servite (1)
93 Eisenhower (1)
89 Fontana (1)
88 Fountain Valley (1)

So according to SGVsBest, Amat is hands down and without question the 4th best program, over time, in one of the toughest divisions in the country. The Amat Family appreciates SGVsBest for his development of the OCC Formula in order to compare programs in the Pac5. It's a GREAT division to participate, and compete, in. We're proud of our position in the top four and look forward working hard every day to moving up in the future.

Best of luck to programs like Lakewood, Edison, St John Bosco, Santa Margarita, Mission Viejo, Newport Harbor, Dana Hills, Notre Dame, Alemany, Crespi, and others who continue to try to join Bishop Amat in this illustrious group in the future. It is an honor to compete against the best.

Congratulations and Condolences to Lakewood for their victory over the Amat Lancers - only to find out that according to the "SGVsBest OCC Formula" head-to-head victories account for absolutely nothing because remember - OCC (Only Championships Count!) and someday they may join this elite group. However, according to SGVsBest, not yet. So I know his continued mention of a Lakewood victory is a little bit of a tease - but really, remember OCC(Only Championships Count!) & who cares about individual matchups. Sorry - but that's the criteria that the Trojan Tire Flipper has laid down when he developed the now famous "SGVsBest OCC Formula".

Any way you want to flip them Tire Boy - facts suck don't they?

SGVsBest,

This is Great News! Recent reports indicate that according to SGVsBest, using his and only his criteria, the Trojan Tire Flipper ranks Bishop Amat tied at #4 in CIF-SS Division 1 football during the last 15 years that he continues to reference.

Based on the "SGVsBest OCC Formula" (Only Championships Count) eligible teams are ranked only by # of titles won - and the last 15 Championships, that he continues to reference, go like this:

97, 99, 00, 01, 04, 07, 08 LB Poly (6.5)
96, 98, 99 Mater Dei (2.5)
03,05 Loyola (2)
95 Bishop Amat (1)
02 Los Alamitos (1)
06 Orange Lutheran (1)
09 Servite (1)

An interesting tidbit is Amat also has wins over 4 over those 7 teams in the last 6 years (during their "mediocre" years as a "participant" in the Pac5) and is 4-1 vs that elite group of champions in the past two seasons, with last years final minute loss to LBP the only blemish on the record.

To get a complete Pac5 Top 10 using the "SGVsBest OCC Formula", you need to go back more than two decades to 1988, and it looks like this:

97, 99, 00, 01, 04, 07, 08 LB Poly (7)
91, 94, 96, 98, 99 Mater Dei (5)
90, 03,05 Loyola (3)
92, 95 Bishop Amat (2)
02 Los Alamitos (1)
06 Orange Lutheran (1)
09 Servite (1)
93 Eisenhower (1)
89 Fontana (1)
88 Fountain Valley (1)

So according to SGVsBest, Amat is hands down and without question the 4th best program, over time, in one of the toughest divisions in the country. The Amat Family appreciates SGVsBest for his development of the OCC Formula in order to compare programs in the Pac5. It's a GREAT division to participate, and compete, in. We're proud of our position in the top four and look forward working hard every day to moving up in the future.

Best of luck to programs like Lakewood, Edison, St John Bosco, Santa Margarita, Mission Viejo, Newport Harbor, Dana Hills, Notre Dame, Alemany, Crespi, and others who continue to try to join Bishop Amat in this illustrious group in the future. It is an honor to compete against the best.

Congratulations and Condolences to Lakewood for their victory over the Amat Lancers - only to find out that according to the "SGVsBest OCC Formula" head-to-head victories account for absolutely nothing because remember - OCC (Only Championships Count!) and someday they may join this elite group. However, according to SGVsBest, not yet. So I know his continued mention of a Lakewood victory is a little bit of a tease - but really, remember OCC(Only Championships Count!) & who cares about individual matchups. Sorry - but that's the criteria that the Trojan Tire Flipper has laid down when he developed the now famous "SGVsBest OCC Formula".

Any way you want to flip them Tire Boy - facts suck don't they?

You know what's funny?...picturing SGVsBest with a real heavy Asian accent.

HAHAHAA!

That's how he types, give it a try! LMFAO!!!

being embarrassed regularly by what you call a "participant" is what must really hurt. how can a team that claims to be good - get destroyed by someone who is "mediocre"?
22-2 must really hurt. And against teams in the Fish Bowl Top 10. No Wilson, Diamond Bar, Ganesha, or Nogales in the bunch!
687-376 must be downright painful and that is what put SGVsWorst over the edge.
I think he's having a breakdown guys. What do you think?

The Truth Hurts Fishbowl wannabe!
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52 and 53 for the Entire Decade will never go away!
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The truth hurt Roger Mahorny and it now hurts you too!
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Pac 5 participant! That's all you'll ever be!
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1995! 1995 BishopMyopia!

SGVsWorst - of course the teams in the fish bowl will continue to win rings. there is no one from outside the fish bowl in the division! Someone has to. So while some teams go out and play the best - they can win the Post Season San Gabriel Valley Only Mediocre Football Teams Invited Tournament!

The Truth Hurts is right just sayin. We'll be here in 2020 to remind of your 25th anniversary of your last CIF ring!
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Except the SGV will continue to win CIF ring(s)! and you won't! Remember that in 2020!
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BishopMyopia suffers from "We were once good" and Commitment to Excellence!" Chants when you know that you s*ck!
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52 and 53 makes you a participant. Just the way the OC and LBPoly likes.
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You will never sing "We are the Champions." Ooooh!

just sayin,

now you did it!

fishbowl syndrome lives !!!

SGVsWorst - must suck when a mediocre team kicks the rest of the valleys rear end. doesn't that mean the rest of the valley is mediocre?

MEDIOCRE TEAM OF THE DACADE?
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52 wins and 53 losses! Including a 2 and 8 AND 3 and 7 seasons!
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Can you guess who??? I know!!! I can't stop laughing either! Just too funny!
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All that talk and no action!
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Mediocre! Just Mediocre!
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Nah...nah...nah...nah...Hey...hey...Ah...mat!!! LMAO!!!

SGV FOOTBALL,

Esperanza had 1 win in league (against winless Marina) and was 4-6 overall -behind Edison, Fountain Valley, Los Alamitos, and Newport Harbor. That was not going to change anytime soon. Using the criteria most bloggers here use - they better move down. They have never won a Division 1 title outright and haven't won any championships at all since a D3 title in '92. So they must be "losers" - Right !:?)

Their move actually made more sense as a geographical change for Esperanza AND Huntington Beach. HB has spent the last cycle in the Sea View with Trabuco, El Toro, Foothill, Woodbridge and Northwood. They shuffled ET and Trabuco into the new 10 team South Coast Conference (SGV ADs take notes) so revamping needed to take place down south. HB returns to the Sunset with schools in closer proximity.

Esperanza goes local to compete against Brea, Canyon, Villa Park, El Modens, El Dorado, and Foothill. 5 and 7 team leagues are actually desirable because they get more automatic bids - so 3/5 or 4/7 teams get in the playoffs.

That being said, there aren't many schools that fight the move down are there - while several get dragged kicking and screaming into higher divisions (no names will be dropped here fish bowlers - but we know who they are). On the other hand, every re-leaguing cycle that occurs when they reshuffle the Parochial Area, Amat has made their declaration heard loud and clear - we want to play at the highest level possible
http://tinyurl.com/ctls7u
Where they ultimately put you is largely out of your control - so you have to do what you do in the pre-league part of that schedule to make up for it.

Way to go Bulldogs, could be an exciting season
ahead. 4th out of 72, thats great.

To Huskies: South Hills was never in the Tasoro game. Their was a great article in the LA Times that talk about how important summer passing leagues were. It pointed out how the teams that dominated the big 7 on 7 tournaments were the same teams that made it to the play offs. At half time of the SH game the Tasoro coaches were herd, as they were coming out of the coaches box, "what happened to their passing game, they killed us this summer"at the battle at the beach tournament. I remember coming away from that tournament, along with all the players, coaches, and fans feeling very confident about the team and the upcoming season. We had just lost in the semifinal game to Oaks Christen after dominating our bracket that consisted of Corona Centennial, Tasoro, J Serra, and La Habra. The reason for feeling confident was we were to play three of those four to open the season. Our two QB's both played well trading series. Brock clearly distanced himself from the other QB. No one at district field for the Tasoro game could figure out why the coaches went with #7 in that game. It got so bad on the side line, most of the team was yelling at the coaches to change QB's. The starter could not read, repeatedly did not pick up his hots on blitzes, instead running from the pocket only to be sacked, sacked more times than he completed passes. Hopefully the coaches will see what everyone else does next season and play the better Quarter back and make out team disciplined we need it.

West Covina finish in 4th(out of 72 teams) place at Cerritos Tournament of Champions. And their 215 wrestler wasn't there......

Bad move, Aztecs,

Esperanza made the playoffs last year. They got long beach poly second round right after Bishop Amat remember.

Thanks 'answer man' -
WOW! I'm impreesed! La Kat Kat did go to BishopNation. '73 huh? Howbout that!
I thought you had to be a catholic to go there. I guess not! La Kit Kat is always saying...Alah Chingada!
BishopNation - The Raiders called again!
They want there 1996 "Commitment to Excellence" slogan back!!!
Raiders! Lancers! Raiders! Lan...

SGVsWorst - to answer your question - yes you are

It makes no sense why Esperanza moved down. Yes, Esperanza has not made the playoffs for the last 2 years but they won their league the THREE prior years. The also were the Pac-5's runner up in 2005!

If anyone should have been moved down from the Sunset, it should have been Huntington Beach or Marina.

So whose at fault? CIF or Esperanza?

Way to step up... - that's awesome. So now if CO is in the D5 Central Division - by playing D6 Esperanza they are actually playing DOWN!

Way to step up,

Your right, I just did some research on the league realignments and Esperanza was moved down to the Century league and will participate in the Southwest division next year, unless the division realignments move their league into a better division. Looks like Esperanza went under the radar and didnt really put up a fight to stay in their league.

Haterade, Good Luck slapping D6 or Southwest Esperanza next year. Esperanza is a not PAC-5 Div.(I) team anymore. They are now in the Century League which is in the Southwest Div.(VI)

SH lost because of bad coaching, this year and last year. A better coach or coaching staff and SH has the two Back to Back titles and possibly a bowl birth, because both the La Habra and Tesoro game could've gon either way.

Oh no. Where is that video of Lakewood kicking your ass hmmm??

Enough football. Talk WRESTLING!!!

Enough football. Talk WRESTLING!!!

This is big, badass, did I say BIG DADDY KANE?!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKW0x5QN53c

Special Dedication to the Mater Dei Monarchs...It's always a pleasure to welcome you to the ghetto...and then systematically kick your asses.

ON BLUE!

All of those South Hill's transfers and they still lost to Diamond Ranch.

Diamond Ranch was down 41-7 at the start of the 4th Quarter against Bishop Amat.

Perhaps parents should reconsider where they send their kids?

1st place for Jacob De-Pract at 130 pounds. Cerritos Tournament of Champions

To Dan, 4 of those kids came from Los Altos alone. One of the many reasons LA is down. LA lost over 14 players of that caliber over the last two years. Sadly more to come. Gano, Gano, Gano, what a mess. In his defence LA's return to glory come soon after the ink had dried on his contract, yes Despain was as good at his AD job as he was a Coach. Due to Ganos hiring the Gonzales brothers,Goey and Mike, the Moors, Obeda and Kwazier and Kion Cox all transferred from West Covina. That talent along with the great talent already in place, 4 from east of the Boulevard sorry Wilson, started what would be FIVE consecutive appearance's in the CIF finals. Let me do everyone a favor by saying none of those LA teams could have beaten Amat, that should save alot of banter. The one loss came when CO was finnaly able to "GET OUT FROM UNDER THE SHADOW OF LOS ALTOS" I will finish by saying what many of you have stated befor, Coaches and winning attracts great talent, not recruting.

As of 5pm Today, West Covina H.S. Wrestling team is in 6th place(out of 72 teams) at Cerritos Tournament of Champions.

Wow, I never stopped to think how many transfers actually started for SH this year, I figured 3 or 4 but in the post below there were
9 kids listed and from what I recognized, at least 7 or 8 of them were key players, are there more? I think its true that CO & SH would be just average without the transfers. I don't blame the schools because I don't know any school that would turn away a talented player that wanted to transfer in legitamately, now if there is some people going out to encourage some of these kids to transfer away from where they came from then thats wrong. I can recall four transfers that came to WC in the last 3 years, but thats a little more than 1 a year, schools
like WC,Glendora,SD,ect. do a good job to compete with these schools considering they don't get the transfer talent that these other schools get.

It says "Playoff Participant" next to #6 on the website! just sayin...Not that is amatters!
Also, where's that 2010 defense coming from #6? just askin...Not that amatters!

Yes Fred...how about some wrestling news! People out to know that West Covina beat Northview at their own tournament a few weeks ago which hasnt happened in a very long time....

6 is far far far superior to 12. 6 also has 3 wins over other teams in the top 20.

6 is far far far superior to 12. 6 also has 3 wins over other teams in the top 20.

Dan the man - it's not how many are left - it's who graduated? When a team loses the players that produce a majority of their positive statisitics - like Esperanza does too - that's bad.
So let me type this after I type Charter Oakfor you- Muema, Golden, Powell, Smith, Youngblood, Brown, Ward, Boyd, Ortega, Frank, Dallen, Clapper, etc.
It doesn't look too good - does it?

what! whos sucking whos frank?

Whitey, you wouldn't be so bad if you didnt always want to suck on Frank's frank all the time.

Final FB Ranks: All CIF bowl divisions according to CalHiSports.com

Division II South
1. (2) Servite (Anaheim) 14-1 CIF Division II state bowl champ
2. (1) Crenshaw (Los Angeles) 14-1 CIF Open Division state runnerup
3. (3) Westlake (Westlake Village) 14-0 CIFSS Northern Div. champion
4. (4) Moorpark 12-2 CIFSS Northern Div. runnerup
5. (5) Norco 11-2 CIFSS Inland Division semifinalist
6. (6) Bishop Amat (La Puente) 10-2 CIFSS Pac-Five Div. quarterfinalist
7. (7) Mission Bay (San Diego) 13-0 San Diego Sec. Div. IV champion
8. (8) Cathedral Catholic (SD) 12-1 San Diego Sec. Div. III champion
9. (9) Mira Costa (Manhattan Beach) 12-2 CIFSS Western Div. champion
10. (10) Notre Dame (Sherman Oaks) 9-3 CIFSS Pac-Five Div. quarterfinals
11. (11) La Habra 13-1 CIFSS Southwest Division champion
12. (12) Charter Oak (Covina) 13-1 CIFSS Southeast Div. champion
13. (14) Edison (Fresno) 10-4 Central Section Div. II champion
14. (NR) Tulare 12-1 Central Section Div. II semifinalist
15. (13) Alemany (Mission Hills) 10-4 CIFSS Western Div. runnerup
16. (15) Lutheran (Orange) 6-5 CIFSS Pac-Five playoff participant
17. (NA) Mater Dei (Santa Ana) 6-5 CIFSS Pac-Five playoff participant
18. (NA) Kingsburg 13-0 Central Section Div. IV champion
19. (NA) La Mirada 13-1 CIFSS Southern Division champion
20. (NA) Palm Springs 11-2 CIFSS Eastern Division champion
Special Mention: San Dimas 13-1 CIFSS Mid-Valley Div. champion

Haterade,
I don't think CO will be slapping Esparranza around anytime soon, CO vs Esparranza may have been a good game this year with the Chargers being up and the Aztecs being mediocre, but next year CO could be down and the Aztecs will most likely be their normal Pac 5 selves, which could translate to a rough night for the Chargers. By reading your post it almost sounds like your not too familiar with football outside of the CO. realm.

Lets not forget the main topic. Its a mess at SH. If you have a player who is waiting in the wings to earn a spot forget about it. There were 5 starting transfer kids on the field. Bogans apartments will not close. May as well bring your smaller athletes to NV or Covina.

just sayin i guess to you 5 kids means team to you. He are some facts for you:
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just sayin' said:
Esperanza was 4-6 this season and won ONE league game. Sort of like "stepping up" to play Alsio Viejo a year ago.
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So you are already down playing, the playing ability of esperanza next year. Big mistake!
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Dan the man said:
just sayin, esperanza was also loaded with Soph and Jrs this year. I beat next year esperanza will go further in the pac 5 than bishop will. They went further than Bishop last year in the pac 5. Do you want to continue to talk about records. Just sayin
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So I said that esperanza was loaded with sophmores and Jr's, and since you brought up esperanza record this year, i asked you if you wanted to continue to talk about records? You replied back with the follwoing"
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just sayin' said:
Dan the man - last year, next year - you always want to talk about this year- unless of course it suits you to talk about last year or next year. Like when Amat embarrased CO it was " in the past". When CO asked to run away from the last year of the contract - that was "in the past" So instead Amat swept Rancho but it was "in the past" but Rancho beat South Hills the year before and that was "in the past" but then CO can't beat Rancho & they win CIF - so Amat got "lucky and got them in between "the past" & "the present"?. No -they're just better.
Sophomore? Juniors? Esperanzas QB was a senior, their starting FB was a senior and their 3 leading recievers were seniors.
maybe you didn't check out the underclassman team
RB - Jay Anderson, Bishop Amat, Jr.
WR - Rio Ruiz, Bishop Amat, Soph,Jr
OL - Christian Orduno, Bishop Amat
LB - Mike Juarez, Bishop Amat, Jr
LB - Austin Lacy, Bishop Amat, Jr
...just for starters
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No one was comparing Charter oak and Bishop Amat! but here comes the retarded bishop fan and starts this all over again. I said that Esperanza went further last year in playoffs last year and was trying to defend the team charter oak will be playing next year since you want to bury them before the season even starts.

So here is your fact of the day. Esperanza had a total of 89 players on their team this year. 22 were seniors only 5 got a chance to really play out there. So that means that 75 % of their team were underclassman to be exact 67 players out of 89 were juniors and sohpmores this year. So please stop typing charter oak on your dam keyboard, no one wants to see or hear it Loser.

PS I love how whitey comes back under another screen name and compliments himself. So is it whitey as in white boy or whitey as in smart?

A friend sent this video from Eastside Catholic Crusaders in Washington
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqoRIRQym3E
Good? ... bad? ... Thoughts?
Imagine if that video surfaced in the Fish Bowl. Never hear the end of it!

Way to come back to the blog whitey . Guns blazing and kick tails.

"We came, we saw, we kicked ass!"

trivia time

first off all you CO fans it's Whitey, not whitney......please! you proved my point in a roundabout way, by saying O Lu, beat Mater Dei and they were in D6 the previous year so we(insert co/sh) can do it too, WRONG if they could they would , they can't(2 beat downs by less than avergage, by Amats standard, teams)so you're blue sky argument is out the window on this, scoreboard, record book,please feel free to come back to me with the score if/when you play Esperanza , they are a good D1 team, sh you got waxed by a weak Tesoro team this year, enough said.I too, would love to see Amat play CO next September, but it ain't gonna happen, vidi,vini,vinci !!!

Dan the man - last year, next year - you always want to talk about this year- unless of course it suits you to talk about last year or next year. Like when Amat embarrased CO it was " in the past". When CO asked to run away from the last year of the contract - that was "in the past" So instead Amat swept Rancho but it was "in the past" but Rancho beat South Hills the year before and that was "in the past" but then CO can't beat Rancho & they win CIF - so Amat got "lucky and got them in between "the past" & "the present"?. No -they're just better.
Sophomore? Juniors? Esperanzas QB was a senior, their starting FB was a senior and their 3 leading recievers were seniors.
maybe you didn't check out the underclassman team
RB - Jay Anderson, Bishop Amat, Jr.
WR - Rio Ruiz, Bishop Amat, Soph,Jr
OL - Christian Orduno, Bishop Amat
LB - Mike Juarez, Bishop Amat, Jr
LB - Austin Lacy, Bishop Amat, Jr
...just for starters

When I said "Time for change" I in no way was suggesting the change should be Bogan or any of his staff. The problem as I see it is not coaching football it's all the other intangibles. Some want to suggest that all the transfers are the problem with the Payton Place atmosphere. Now there is always an exception to everything, #9 immitigable circumstances. If this young man can overcome his demons he has a bright future in football and life. It may be a long shot but anything is possible, I for one wish him and his family nothing but the best. Please no haters needed. Why don't you make the same excuses and exceptions for him that you afford yourself or your own kids. If one looks closely most issues involved players that have been in the system since their freshman year. The transfers, Neiko, Jordan and Jamie, Jordan G., Siaosi, Josh, Isaic, Brock, and Reyes to name a few are not only very good players they are all very respectful and dedicated young men. Most of them played hurt at one time during the season, so no one can question their toughness or their desire to win. So everyone take a deep breath and a look in the mirror before you judge to harshly.

just sayin, esperanza was also loaded with Soph and Jrs this year. I beat next year esperanza will go further in the pac 5 than bishop will. They went further than Bishop last year in the pac 5. Do you want to continue to talk about records. Just sayin

Esperanza was 4-6 this season and won ONE league game. Sort of like "stepping up" to play Alsio Viejo a year ago.

COCF,
No matter how you word it or explain it no way your team could not match up with the best of the Pac-5 or whatever it was called before .Answer this ,how do think CO would do against either Servite or Edison on dry day . The problem is CO just does not have enough history taking on the Pac-5 teams other then playing Amat a few years ago . Since it is said on here they have scheduled Esperanza for next season let's just see how they fair in that game.

Fred, your killing us wrestling fans:( Can we please get a little coverage on the local tournaments and the top guys in the area on the blog???

Who does it benefit to move overachieving teams up to a higher league only to pull that league back into the same level of competition as before?

Why the local prep reporter of course. Same old built in stories. Same old built in rivalries. Same old built in relationships. Same old pictures of Bogan wave jumping and Ole Lou mugging for the camera with his grandkids.

Other than the teams who move up in the first place, would anyone else benefit? Would the kids who come from near and far to play for rings at C O and South Hills get the bigger stage they deserve? No.
Would area fans see more parity in the playoffs? No.

What exactly would be the point of the changes in the first place?

yo whitney Charter Oak already has the game signed to slap D1 or pac 5 esperanza next year. Charter Oak will still beat them with a Sophmore and Junior dominated team.

Folks, the Pac-5 came into existance in 2006 so it was every teams first year. And in 2005 Olu was in D6 and they weren't even the CIF champs...lost to Tustin who is still a D6 school but also wasn't the CIF champ that year. Oh yeah, in 2005 Olu also beat Mater Dei in a pre-season game. What is being ignored is that Olu didn't step up a few years after getting acclimated to D1 football but instead,just walked from D6 to D1 and won. So in 2006 the D1 teams weren't better than a really good D6 team so what makes them that much better than the really good "lower" teams just a few years latter???

The Orange Lutherhan team that lost to Los Altos is not the same school, program, or caliber that it is today. They did beat Mater Dei that year, but I do not remember them beating anyone else of high value.

It was after this loss to LA, that Orange Lutheran went begging head coach/guru Bruce Rollinson of Mater Dei to teach them how to run a successful parochial program. I guess Rollingon had some good pointers because OL has never looked back! lol!

Oh yes, and Orange Lutheran did not join the Pac-5 until 2006. They did however, win the division that year. THAT was impressive!

Where's the Guru at? He would be able to tell us exactly what's going on at SH!

Since your just "tribbin" how about some wrestling news? there have been at lest three big tournament and not one has been covered or even mentioned, wasn't it you last year who said the SGV was a Mecca for High school wrestling!

Yes

He played QB

info said! now you're forgetting the original statement, I said Gano,Big Lou or Brogan never beat a playoff team from the Pac 5 or Division 1 school while that school was actually in the highest level of CIF, hell Amat was AA runner-up in 1962, vs. Mater Dei. Look where both those schools compete and do well at now. Schools (the good ones at least) mature, improve, challenge themselves to get better, by actually playing better competition) something OLu has done rather well.............those schools coached by Gano,Big Lou or Brogan won't schedule somebody in the big division let alone beat them , it's almost a rhetorical question in fact.

Fred,

If I didn't know better your division realignment looks like a very bias view. Once again Damien(Gano), South Hills and Charter Oak would be fighting it out for a CIF Championship.

From what I was told the whole point of putting Damien, SH's and CO together was to let them recruit the hell out of each other. Then go fight it out with the big boys in the baseline league. What Charter Oak has been bragging about how they can play with RC. Last year RC won their division and CO tied them during the regular season. Some how you workout a way to drop those three teams down where they can dominate.

Is this you way of using the newspaper to promote a division realignment that is more favorable to your buddies, because it doesn't make any sense.

Whitey's comments are accurate. This topic was brought up a few years ago. I investigated it and found out that OLu was about 1/3 the size they are today. Don't get me wrong I was at the OLU/LA game. OLU was a much better team than LA. LA had Harwell, and OLu had nothing that could stop him, including double coverage. Harwell took out the OLU QB late in the game, gameover.

whitey

I believe Olu beat Mater Dei that year and a fist full of other D1 programs so your argument makes no sense LA would have smashed Amat and most D1's in the early 2000s I also believe they beat Long Beach Wilson if there still a D1 and Olu was moved to D1 the following year.

Fred,
How about a thread on the top ten SGV football teams of the decade? I can think of a few such as 2003 Los Altos, 2008 Charter Oak, 2009 Amat etc. Whats your opinion out there guy's?

in Amats' worst year in history they went 3-7, sucked, and STILL beat St Paul - who was the D3 Western Division Champion. Not just Amat - but Crespi, Notre Dame, Loyola, and Alemany too? NEVER happen.

Steve R.
Thanks for the Article on Walter Thurmond today,
really enjoyed it, the kid is a winner and he'll be succesful wherever he goes in life, it's ashame he got hurt for his senior year and will not be able to play in the Rosebowl, but on the positive side, he had an outstanding college career up to that point and still has a good chance to make the pro's, good luck to the kid.
Fred I like that Central division you have with the Sierra and San Antonio/Miramonte in the same division, it will be tougher than the current South East division but it also would mean more
to whoever won it all, although the current Sierra league and Central division teams would see it as a relief without the Baseline in there.

Did Jason Giambi play football in High School ??

rgd2626, is that the best you can do " I'm an ass", a person with your mail order or continuation school GED, c'mon now, put a little effort into it, after all it's the thought behind it that counts, I'm offended more by your lack of effort than by the monosyllabic retort, now go get your thesaurus and give me your best shot, will you please? Badgers roll over the 'canes!

Amats argument would be, hey WE belong at the top, we win in the playoffs,

Amat wins in the playoffs? 1-2 in the last two years when they even made the playoffs and their one win was against a 6-4 team and they havent won crap in 14 years. bad arguement.

cif insider,
please elabrate... it makes no sense at all for you to be starting this rumor with giving more info. If amat moves down into the western division (D3) it would be the joke of the year. AMAT has played many teams in this divison and have won them all some by a blow out,(st paul) sure we would win BUT it would be too easy,..

Whitey
2 years later and your still an ass !!!

hey info said, O Lu was just a D4 or D5 team in 2000, obviously they've climbed the ladder something that CO/SH and Gano have not done, have they?

I for one say thank God I live to see the day when the truth will set us free!

South Hills football program is full of double standards. If discipline was only the issue I wouldn't be as concerned but the lack of character by everyone has become so evident that the proof is in us peaking by getting beat by Diamond Ranch. How ironic that Coach Layton and his team win because of karma.

You can only get away with what we have been saying and doing for many years now for only so long. We have so many secrets that if they were exposed our Valley would be shocked of the decisions that coaches have chosen NOT to make and look the other way like there are no consequences to anyone choices and actions.

Winning and egos has made us lose our identity. No code of ethics or moral standard of accountability so much so that we are an embarrassment and our behavior is shameful. You need look no further than this blog revealing our doomed reality.

Change is inevitable and I think right now is a perfect time to revolutionize our program and start over with a new regime. Out with the old and in with the new.

0-2 versus Diamond Ranch unacceptable and inexcusable but losing our integrity unforgivable!

Boy, Glendora has it tough. How did that ever happen. They always seem to be the valley team (non private) who plays teams not in a valley league. Their alignment seems unfair. Now, they may be moved to the Inland Division. If I remember correctly their playoff losses have been to teams like Hart, Corona Centennial, Upland and Rancho Cucamonga. Thats a different breed of cat than the Miramonte and San Antonio play. Good Luck Glendora

Hey Whitney -
Bobbie Brown just called. He says he has your crack pipe ready!
You ready to get smoked at a lower divison BishopNation?
Karma baby!
You always get what you deserve!
No Rings No Championship since '95.
No defense in 2010!

Ohhh my goodness, please dont start this topic up again. please no one else bring up the CO vs Amat thing again. PLEASE

Gano beat Olu back in like 2000

attn whitey, the difference between Amat getting pulled down into a lower division and CO /SH being pushed up a notch or two is this, Amats argument would be, hey WE belong at the top, we win in the playoffs, we compete well at the very highest level, we deserve to be with the big boys......... while CO/SH argument would be, what? hey we can't compete we're just a, a, a, we're just big fish in a little is all, we need to play against the have nots.......look at all of our rings, we're made to play in DVII......too funny..........oh well , ain't probably gonna ever happen Go Badgers! U Dub Dub DIII champs again!!!

what a rumor! the Serra to the Northern Division, Amat gets screwed again, after getting thrown from the now Trinity league in the bastard child Serra/Del Rey conglomeration they'd be dragged kicking and screaming into the Northern, OMG. And then all the big fish in the small pond mentality locals harping on that.......well, our only option(AMAT)would be to play all the big talkers namely CO and SH and open up a big can of Whoopazz on them, AGAIN.......hey maybe it isn't such a bad idea after all, what say you Guru, are the puppy doggies ready? Big Lou do you remember the last 2 times we played? c'mon we just got knocked down a few pegs, get us while our spirit and pride are hurt...........Frank Carmona(Salesian VB roocks)are the Spartans(Gano) still up to a challenge? Somebody prove me wrong, but in my research over the last 2 weeks,neither Gano,Brogan or Farrar has beaten a playoff team from the highest division (Pac 5, Division 1) EVER. Just give the year and the opponent somebody! Happy New Year too all and Fred please no more faux pas like Richard Nyden over Paul McDonald as POY in '76 on this weeks all decade team.

WOW from divisions being realigned to south hills crumbling before our eyes. boganville apartments must have got a new management company and raised the prices on bogan. maybe thats why he cant field a decent team now.

It is not just on the field. I have heard it from admins and teachers who have worked at SH and back to Covina and NV only to tell us how disrespectful the kids are at SH compares to Covina and or NV. Not only that a good friend of mine had hius oldest son attend SH (was a stud as a receiver all league, valley you name it) and he does not recommend SH to anyone. He stated that there is no respect amongst the coaches. This has been going on for a while... I dont thik people are really surprised.. its amazing what people are willing to over look when you are winning.

Damn how the tides change. From day one SH was supposed to win CIF this year. Now you have the fans putting players and coaching staff on blast. Way to stand behind your team and coach husky fans. This is how Bishop got back on a hot streak with putting the past head coach Mark Verti on blast and now they have hagerty and a new fire. Maybe Bogan is played out already and the fire is out. Could husky fans be wanting a new coach to light a new fire to the husky program??? Fred maybe you can put up the pic of Bogan on the waverunner. HAHAHAHA too funny

It sounds like there might be an interesting story over at SH. I know they are just blurbs on a blog but between the accusations of unsportsmenlike acts and unhappiness with coaching and lack of dicipline and not winning the big one or Roddy having Bogans number in the playoffs, maybe just maybe there is a story worth investigating that the valley has interest in.

I heard that South Hills will be playing one of the teams from the baseline (Los Osos) next year, is this true? If this is true I can't wait to see the Huskies try that dirty play against a team like Los Osos. Let's remember that this is the team from the Baseline that beat Bishop Amat two years in a row.

every team in the serra league would fight that move with everything they have, that doesnt even make sense the serra league has been very competitive in the Pac 5

So much termoil in the Huskie Nation . We now see what school is the true nation of the valley . Damn that Al Davis . I knew he had his hands in the downfall of the Huskies. Well I guess there goes Bogan's shot at coach of the decade. Just like the Raiders the Huskies continue the spiral downward to places lower then they have ever been or known . A once proud program slowly become league doormats and the laughing stock of the SGV. Good luck in your new league . By all this talk on the blog it looks like a lot of vacancies in the Boganville Arms Apts.

Fred
Wow.... sounds like there are lots of problems over at South Hills. Maybe it is time for a change....

cif insider please elaborate...........................................................

Finally some speak for many when were finally allowed to vocalize the truth about South Hills football. I am absolutely sickened by the state of Huskies football and am appalled and ashamed at the head coach and his staff.

Hypocritical to do as I say not as I do kind of mentality but that is how these men chose yet again to lead and mentor our young men and I blame Al Davis as much if not more than anyone. And people wonder why there is such a small crowd attending our games now. No one wants to and is extremely disappointed to be associated with such hypocrisy. Look no further than the field on a Friday night and you'll see what can of product we now put on display. Pathetic!

There are so many dark dirty secrets that if someone chose to blow the whistle could unveil the sad truth about our best athletes and what they can say and do and get away with for years especially this year. All I can say is change needs to occur at every level before we lose our identity forever.

Please someone has to listen to our plea families are begging the powers of be! The worst decision I made was to transfer our son to South Hills and if everything stays as is I promise you were leaving to go to another school not because of football but because of life. Please for the sake of the kids somebody at the district level has to do something.

Okay just got word that CIF SS is considering putting the Big 8 from the Inland division in the PAC 5 division and trying to move the Serra league out and bumping them down to the Western division a more managable division for the Serra league. Please dont jump on the bandwagon you heard it here first.

Time for change said:

If South Hills does not address the issues of discipline, or a lack there of. BINGO You nailed it. I had heard all these great things about South Hills Football. Then I put my child in this high school and I'm very disappointed with there discipline or lack of it. How many times did #9 get kick out of a football game or get flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct? The school officials should of pulled the plug on his season for the way he acted on the field. What about about the o-guard who took out the player(the player was kicking his butt) by rolling on the players leg away from the play and took him out for the game? How about in there playoff lost to D.R. when the game was over on the field one of the starting running backs had to be stopped from fighting a team mate(the younger Canada brother).Oh yea, when you lose a game and your season is over the tradition is out of respect for the other team you shake there hand in the center of the field.I guess the 3 players that went straight to the locker room when the game was over at District field failed the class on respect.When I asked #4 how come he wasn't with his team mates on the field he told me " oh I have to to to the bathroom" It must of been bad because he never came back.Its amazing on what you can see at a S.H.football game when your not looking at the game.

I'm tired of Bogan it has been 6 years since we have done anything in the playoffs. Its time for a fresh face. Lets bring in a new cat so we can get the ball rolling again.

I got the petition started. I want to see my son leave high school with a great education, a CIF ring and a couple D1 offers...

If South Hills does not address the issues of discipline, or a lack there of, and stop playing their "favorite son's" rather than the best players they will struggle to even make the play offs in there new league.

I moved them up because I almost moved the Baseline up to the Inland where they belong, because they have dominated the Central Division, their fourth place team, Upland, just won the championship. With the Baseline in a more appropriate division, the Miramonte/San Antonio should be able to slide in and make it competitive.

Just wondering if anyone else thinks this thing is a bit watered down. Back in the 70s there were twelve leagues in a division and only League Champions were guaranteed a spot while also Co-Champions getting the nod...also the leagues were 8 team leagues.

Fred I look at how you'd have it and I have to say Ouch...putting the San Miratonio in the Central...it would be extremely hard but they may be able to compete there...but they got rid of South Hills and CO for a reason.