I feel kinda ashamed that the coaches from the Sierra League are not even willing to try to compete at D-2 level. It sucks that they r trying to escape Corona Centenial, Redlands EastValley, Chaparrel and Norco. And distance is not a factor because the San Andreas schools are way in the high desert. Its no wonder why Bishop gets all the attention. The SGV has some great programs but this move is embarrasing for all of us. First everybody ditches Bishop and then this crap.

If this happens, then reasonable minds have prevailed…

I think these teams should just accept the challenge. It seems like they do not want to move to a more competitive situation and are looking for the easy way to a title. Damien should be in the Pac -5 just on the fact of their advantage to draw students from all areas just as Amat does. Whats the difference in Damien and Amat when it comes to recruiting players.

COChargerfan has been telling us all season Charter Oak is as good as the Pac5 teams so no reason they can’t be in the Inland Division. SouthHillsFan has been popping off they’re the best team in the SGV, even though they can’t even beat Diamond Ranch. What could they possibly be afraid of? Chino Hills has been advancing in the Central playoffs just fine and Damien should be in a private school league that would put them in the Western/Pac5 anyway. The Baseline League has no leg to stand on with their domination of the Central Division, unfortunately Glendora has to go along for the ride.

reality,
It’s more the case they finally got the big bullies out of the school yard .Now the bullies don’t want to face the big boys .

That’s a great question concerning the Olympic league. Why are they not factored into the Mid-Valley. They won’t be dropped for sure because of their success in the playoffs. They won’t go up either as they bottom half of their league is relatively weak. With Paraclete leaving and Maranatha moving in, that should be a pretty strong league.
Fred, do you know anything about Maranatha. I know they’ve made some noise lately but aren’t they a pretty small school of about 600? Help us out here.

So what do you hear or think about the new Arrowhead League in football?

Oh yeah I know outside your coverage area!

BTW: Aaron, get rid of Divisions?? oh yeah that is a good call!

Dubb3trathree,

No actually that’s not what I believe. I think it’s too easy right now for a team to go all the way because the some leagues are only five team leagues and you only have five leagues in a division.

I don’t know how you could set this up, but basically make divisions with 8 leagues and the league’s having seven teams. I don’t know where that would put us at but certain league’s would have to move up to DI, put some of the IE schools back in the picture.

I’m not saying get rid of the schools and league’s within the divisions, I’m saying move them up. I’m sure people would have loved to have seen St Maggies play in the finals of the Mid Valley against San Dimas or Monrovia.

We’ve been talking about watered down divisions on here for a long time right? Well if CIF put it in the by laws on what makes up a league and what makes up a division it could be straightened out.

Why don’t we solve this entire problem by taking a page right out of the basketball playoff philosophy.

Because there is always going to be someone shut out of a state playoff bowl game (ala the BSC system n college football) why dont we consider doing a playoff within a playoff which would include the very best of each classification ?

Heres what I mean. Lets take the best teams from each classification (1, 2 and 3) and combine them into a single playoff format similar to the way basketball does it now.

In division, we could have teams such as Corona Centennial along with St Bonnies, Oaks Christian , OLU (etc) all in one major playoff. This way we can finally solve the question of who should be in the state bowl game at the end of the year and who in fact was the best high school football team.

Additionally, you can continue to have the regular divisional playoffs without these individual juggernaut programs participating and thus dominating their individual divisions. In this way, you could also add teams that otherwise would never be able to participate in a playoff and perhaps have new CIF champions.

The valley coaches must live in a bottle if they actually think that is a good proposal. To suggest the Eastern Division leagues in this set up would only have two qualifiers for the playoffs is crazy. Serrano, Kaiser, Citrus Hill, La Quinta and Temescal (now in the Sunbelt)are all schools with student bodies over 2000 that play top of the line football. Just look at the number of big time D-1 recruits out of this group of schools each year. Additionally what makes them so arogant that they believe thier league should have more qualifiers than those that they are unfamiliar with?

Besides, South Hills and Charter Oak are also solid programs that attract top talent every year. It about time they step up and start playing the big boys.

After thinking it over, I honestly beleive that in no way should C.O, S.H, Damien, among ohers go to DIV II. It used to be all about enrollment back in the 70′s & 80′s, not anymore. If that was the case then we wouldn’t have AMAT at the highest level for football with no titles in 15 years, YET there baseball has three or four at the DIV IV level.

Several reliable witnesses have stepped up to claim that Charter Oak head coach Lou Farrar already had this alternate division plan drawn up and tucked away in his back pocket before entering this meeting. Apparently distraught at the thought of having to face the powerful Big 8 and the former Pac-5 (D-1) league in the Citrus Belt, Coach Lou had been relentlessly working on an escape route..Ahem!…an alternate division plan along with a twelve back of Monster energy drinks.

Approximately 5.6 seconds after initial greetings, there was a loud explosive sound that shattered all nearby windows and set off all the car alarms in the parking lot outside. Much to the relief of all those that attended, the ear-piercing noise proved to originate from Coach Lou himself who had presented his alternate division plan with such speed that he caused a break in the sound barrier.

More to come as it happens…

WOW!! talk about glendora getting screwed over! first we get put into tough baseline league like that wasnt hard enough now we might get put into a playoff division with centennial, chapparel, vista murrieta, redlands and other power houses wow we didnt sign up for this. but im sure mark has something in his pocket.

COChargerfan – speaking of reading comprehension – where did I say anything about “the top level teams”? The debate going around was top to bottom. The top teams are better than the top teams, the middle teams are better than the middle teams and the bottom teams are better than the bottom teams. In other words CO (the D7 champ) is not nearly as good as any Pac5 playoff team. that says the Pac5 is far,far,far superior.
and you contradicted yourself with two correct observations in two consecutive paragraphs. This proposal is for football only, which CO has been successful in – so CO’s success (or lack of) in other sports is irrelevant. As you state ion the next paragraph when explaining the basketball format.

justafan – Football has NEVER been about just enrollment – because Amat has been at the highest level while having, as COCF said – a D7 type enrollment(1300+)

BAHS – Amat’s last year in the OC League w/ Mater Dei/Servite/OLu/etc they were league champions

Turncoat…like I said, isolating teams is ignoring the big picture. Where is it written that one can only compare divisions using a top vs. top, middle vs. middle and bottom vs. bottom criteria? This is just your attempt to support an incorrect argument that the Pac-5 teams are ALL superior. Look, you just need to revise what you are saying to the best Pac-5 teams are better than the best Southeastern teams. As to CO making the Pac-5 playoffs, good chance that CO could have beat Long Beach Wilson.

And Turncoat, the CONFLICT not contradiction is that basketball uses enrollment as the key factor and football focuses on competitive equity.

While your football team is certainly at the highest level, the same can’t be said of your other sports teams which is why they play down to your enrollment level. Do you realize that CO’s baseball and basketball teams already play at a higher division than Amats?

The problem arises because the local public schools do not split their teams into multiple leagues/divisions so yes, every sport will be affected.

COChargerfan – you’ve been telling us for months that the main reason for Divisions are “geography” and now you’re saying “basketball uses enrollment as the key factor and football focuses on competitive equity”?
If you are going to compare DIVISIONS not TEAMS, you must compare the whole division accordingly. Best vs Best, Ave vs Ave, and Worst vs Worst. There’s a pretty good chance that little St Margarets beats your Miramonte pal Wilson. That doesn’t mean that D12 is as good as D7. D7 is probably far,far,far superior to D12. I bet Wilson could beat the heck out of Crean Lutheran – and CO may even eak out a win over little Maggies

FYI to Just a fan – Amat has never had over 2000 students even once in their history

I would love to see CO in the Inland divison for football only. That would be great to see how the coaching staff adapts to playing tougher teams. We might not be playing in December the first year but I’m sure CO will adapt and make great runs in the future. Too bad I dont see the move happening.

So Fred! I’m hearing that Hags will finalize a 2 year deal with Huntington Park HS this week.
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What do you? Is it possible that this guy will load his schedule with another “Historic” city program?
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Maybe Glendale Hoover was too busy that week.
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Tell us what other “powerhouses” this guy is scheduling. C’mon Fred!
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Norco

Before you come on here and knock the San Gabriel Valley, please take notice that Norco has never faced a true Pac-5 powerhouse. Norco only managed to beat Corona Centennial by one single point. On the flipside, Mater Dei routed Corona Centennial 31-13. A healthy and playoff ready Mater Dei then lost to Bishop Amat 28-21.

In simpler terms Norco fan, honor and respect are not automatic…it is earned. Don’t come on here disrespecting San Gabriel Valley football when your program does not have the balls to schedule the elite of the Pac-5. West Covina has played Mater Dei. South Hills has played Tesoro. Diamond Ranch has played Oaks Christian. These programs are leaps and bounds ahead of Norco.

What does Norco know of programs like Long Beach Poly or Servite? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Ya’ll are local and local you will remain!

If your coach ever has the balls to schedule a Pac-5 powerhouse, I hope he has the balls the schedule BISHOP AMAT.

The Lancers are ready to give ya’ll a education in San Gabriel Valley and Pac-5 ball…

Norco

Before you come on here and knock the San Gabriel Valley, please take notice that Norco has never faced a true Pac-5 powerhouse. Norco only managed to beat Corona Centennial by one single point. On the flipside, Mater Dei routed Corona Centennial 31-13. A healthy and playoff ready Mater Dei then lost to Bishop Amat 28-21.

In simpler terms Norco fan, honor and respect are not automatic…it is earned. Don’t come on here disrespecting San Gabriel Valley football when your program does not have the balls to schedule the elite of the Pac-5. West Covina has played Mater Dei. South Hills has played Tesoro. Diamond Ranch has played Oaks Christian. These programs are leaps and bounds ahead of Norco.

What does Norco know of programs like Long Beach Poly or Servite? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Ya’ll are local and local you will remain!

If your coach ever has the balls to schedule a Pac-5 powerhouse, I hope he has the balls the schedule BISHOP AMAT.

The Lancers are ready to give ya’ll a education in San Gabriel Valley and Pac-5 ball…

Recuiters seem to know where to get the “local talent”

The 15 freeway, from Rancho, ntario, down through Norco, Corona to Murrietta, Temecula

No better concentration of prep football in the nation, they can get all their shopping done in one trip to the Inland Empire 15 corridor.

Arizona, Arizona State , Oregon State, Idaho, Texas, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii…feel free to consider us “local” talent.

I always think it’s funny when people compare games from early in the season to games late in the season by noting the improvement that takes place, yet ignoring that the other team had just as big a chance at improving too.

If Centennial was better in week 10 than in week 2, it’s a pretty good bet that Mater Dei was better in week 11 than they were in week 2 also.

For what it’s worth, Amat was 2-0 against Rancho Cucamonga just prior to their contract vs Los Osos. Not sure Rancho wanted to renew that one and went on to win a CIF Championship.

And I’m not sure a last minute miracle 4 & 23 conversion in the final minute for LO to win is a whole lot different than a week 10 Norco victory over Centennial with a 2pt conversion with :30 seconds to go. Sort of splitting hairs when it comes to using it as a comparison.

Norco,
Seeing as you state Norco plays smash mouth football I think that Amat vs Norco would be an interesting game. Amat loves to run the ball and smash mouth is right up our alley. Combine that with a lock down defense and you can see why we are not one for high scoring games. Maybe with all that talent you claim out in the ie you should lobby for a Pac-5 placement. Then instead of comparing this game to that game your teams can really see where you stand against the top programs. Looks like you tried to schedule a lot of teams but for some reason Amat is missing from that list . I wonder why . Norco next time you try to schedule call Amat because we will play anyone ,anytime , anyplace.

COChargerfan…I would like to know where you got your stats…”On the other hand, 25% of the IE doesn’t earn a high school diploma and only 20% of the residents have college degrees…some of the worst education stats in the state…so it looks like some of that talent winds up working Saturdays at the drive through window at Burger King instead of playing football”

All I know is every kid that attends Norco and has talent to play football has no issues qualifying to Stanford..USC…Wisconsin to name a few…Tell you what how about we compare property values?

oh ya – the Pac5 Champion won their State Bowl game. Who wants to win a “neighborhood” championship? You do that in kiddie ball. Pac 5 goes from North SFV to South OC. Now THAT’S a Championship!

Norco, look at DataQuest on the Calif Dept of Education website and there are other resources on the web that disseminate the data.

For real estate prices you may want to look at DataQuicklatest data from Dec 2009 is that the median home price in Norco is $360K down 2.7% from last year whereas the median price in Covina remained unchanged for the past year at $350K.

The CIF records reflect that Chino High won a small school title in 1948, was the Inland runner up in 1978 and 1982, won D4 in 1997, were the D2 runner up in 1998, 2000 and 2001. Ayala was the 1994 D3 runner up and the D2 runner up in 1996 and 1997. After Chino Hills High opened in 2001nothing.

I see that Norco was the 1990 D4 runner up, the D5 winner in 1992 and 1993, the D4 runner up in 1994, the 1998 D5 winner, the D5 runner up in 2003, 2004 and 2005 and the Inland winner in 2006so, zero titles or even finals appearances since Roosevelt opened. Am I missing something from Norcos storied history?

As you can read, both Chino and Ayala were once competitive at the D2 level, that is, before CHH opened. From their case studies, it looks like Norco will suffer the same fate

As for those Roosevelt transfers, any chance that they are kids that cant start so they are looking for a place to play?

HOW ABOUT YOU,
I support the IE in general.

Oh yea,
There you have another fair weather freddy or is it bandwagon bill. It is very easy to come on here with that type of cowardice . Take a stand lets us know who your main team is . Don’t be embarrased by your team. Or is that the way the ie rolls. We already have one of your kind on this blog , we don’t need another one especially from the ie. Just look above your post to see our finest fool. No set team, only sticks himself to the winning bandwagon so please one’s enough.

so that’s why no one can get a fair game called in the IE with homer refs like “oh ya” they don’t have a chance. If I was a coach I wouldn’t wanna come either!

SGVsBest,

So you have jokes? Lol, people like you are truly pathetic & have nothing more to do than to hurl insults. Opinions are great… Your opinion is yours & yours alone, but you are extremely narrow-minded and ignorant FOR your opinion when it comes to Norco. You’re a hater. point blank period. But hey nothing wrong with barking like a b!tch, I bet couldn’t bust a grape in a fruit fight….Anyways….

Now back to the blog…

Maybe the Sierra League should grow some balls and at least try and compete with some of the top teams in the STATE, theres a reason why you never see Charter Oak, Damien or South Hills in the State rankings or bowls rankings. Corona Centennial, Redlands East Valley, Chaparral and Norco are always in the STATES top 20 year in and year out.

CLEARS THINGS UP,

First of all I`m not a homer. As for our assignments I have no say so where I officiate during the season or playoffs (if my crew is assigned), the only time I do is when I officiate Pop Warner games and then we are asked what Cities do we prefer to work in . Now as far as having a favorite team, I think I made that clear that I support the Inland Empire.

norco,

Everyone knows the team to beat is Corona Centennial, with 5 CIF championships this decade and 2 state championship appearances with 1 state championship under there belt. They have established themselves as the premier team in the IE. Have you played De La Salle and beat them??? Or even hung in there til the fourth quarter no right…

SGV FOOTBALL…
You sure CC has won 5 CIF Championships THIS DECADE? That would be VERY IMPRESSIVE! But the last “decade” belongs to Norco, Centennial, or North. And yes CC is the PREMIERE program in the Inland right now, but Chaparral and Norco are a very close second and third. And yes Bowl wins are extremely important. Unfortunately for Chaparral and Norco, both were snubbed when they won their perspective titles. IMO both might have come out with wins. Now lest get one thing straight, see unlike you clowns in the SGV… I respect and support other IE programs. Now CC is a GREAT program, but not even CC cant say they played in FOUR straight CIF CHAMPIONSHIP games 2003,2004,2005 and 2006. And last time I checked Norco has scoreboard on CC wining the BIGVIII Title. Bottom line I think winning the Title is obviously the end game, but consistency, as Norco has shown over its past twenty three years is much more important.

Now IMO the top teams next year will be CC, Chaparral, Norco and North

SGV FOOTBALL.
A little clarification… Norco has four CIF Title appearances with two titles…Chappy has three CIF Title appearances with one Title….Now like I said in an early thread I will take Norco CONSISTENCY…. 1992, 1993, 1994,1998, 2003, 2004 2005 & 2006 thats 8 CIF FINALS appearances in the last 17 yrs and 23 straight years in the playoffs… No other school in the IE can say that.. ..

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