Several coaches from the Sierra and Baseline come up with alternative for CIF to consider

Rembember what we reported earlier in the week, that Damien High School football coach Greg Gano confirmed speculation that CIF-SS officials were toying with the idea of moving the newly formed Sierra League, which will consist of South Hills, Charter Oak, Damien, Ayala, Chino Hills and Claremont, from the Central to the more powerful Inland Division in the fall. Apparently several coaches from the Baseline and Sierra league’s met at Glendora this past week to discuss alternative plans for CIF to consider, which we have obtained and are as follows. CIF is expected to mail out divisional realignment proposals to schools next month, but a final decision won’t be made until April.

Baseline/Sierra League Reconfiguration alternatives
() No. of playoff teams in parenthesis
* number of at-large teams

Inland: Big 8 (4), Citrus Belt (3), Southwestern (3), Baseline (3); *3 at-large

Central: Sierra (3), Inland Valley (4), Mt. Baldy (4), San Andreas (4); *1 at-large

Eastern: Desert Sky (2), Mountain Pass (2), Mojave River (2), Subelt (2or3), Sunkist (2or3), Desert Valley (2or3); *12 plus 4 at-large or 15 plus 1 at-large.

Mid-Valley: Academy (2), Almont (2), Mission Valley (2), Montview (2or3), Rio Hondo (2), Valle Vista (2or3); *12 plus 4 at-large or 14 plus 2 at-large.

Note: The Southeast would most likely include the Del Rio, Hacienda and Pacific, but how the rest unfolds remains to be seen.

Fred says: Not sure the Rio Hondo, Montview, Mission Valley and Almont would like only two guaranteed playoff spots, but I like it because with as many as four at-large teams in the division, you’re going to get the best third-place teams. No more 3-7 teams in the playoffs. As for the Division proposals, it’s a better alternative, especially for the Sierra.

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  • Aaron

    Here’s an idea, how about we get rid of Division XI and XII and compress the remaining divisions making them more difficult.

  • WTF?

    I feel kinda ashamed that the coaches from the Sierra League are not even willing to try to compete at D-2 level. It sucks that they r trying to escape Corona Centenial, Redlands EastValley, Chaparrel and Norco. And distance is not a factor because the San Andreas schools are way in the high desert. Its no wonder why Bishop gets all the attention. The SGV has some great programs but this move is embarrasing for all of us. First everybody ditches Bishop and then this crap.

  • Dubb3trathree

    Aaron: I know you feel no real football is played in division XI or XII, but what your not seeing is that not every school has the same benefits as other schools do. Schools that compete in the Mid-Valley have school the size of any were from 1000-1800 kids only. They are not big enough in school size to compete on a higher level. But their are some good schools that play good football in the Mid-Valley. Also its about giving kids the chance to enjoy the game of football and have a chance to win a championship and feel good about their hard work. I like the Mid-Valley idea. With the 12 best getting in and the final for are at large teams. As for the real topic of the Seirra. I’m sorry but Charter Oak and South Hills are not ready to compete at the BIG 8. Charter Oak can not beat a Corona Centennial or R.E.V. Those schools are PAC 5 teams. That are too far to get a chance to play. They should stay in the Central. Its tougher competition and will Challenge both the C.O and the Hills. To win. So hope they follow that idea.

  • COChargerfan

    If this happens, then reasonable minds have prevailed…

  • Olympic

    In this proposal, where does the Olympic league go? The Academy league makes no sense for the Mid-Valley. Keep the Olympic who will have Valley Christan, Whittier Christian, Maranatha, Village Christian, and L.A. Baptist in the Mid-Valley.

  • sounds like

    I think these teams should just accept the challenge. It seems like they do not want to move to a more competitive situation and are looking for the easy way to a title. Damien should be in the Pac -5 just on the fact of their advantage to draw students from all areas just as Amat does. Whats the difference in Damien and Amat when it comes to recruiting players.

  • 8 and 7 team leagues

    The almont league doesn’t fit in the mid valley due to school enrollments. also, the reason why the valle vista and montview went 7 and 8 man leagues was for more playoff teams every year. Ask Mark Sims (principal at Northview) the Valle Vista rep.

  • Turncoat

    COChargerfan has been telling us all season Charter Oak is as good as the Pac5 teams so no reason they can’t be in the Inland Division. SouthHillsFan has been popping off they’re the best team in the SGV, even though they can’t even beat Diamond Ranch. What could they possibly be afraid of? Chino Hills has been advancing in the Central playoffs just fine and Damien should be in a private school league that would put them in the Western/Pac5 anyway. The Baseline League has no leg to stand on with their domination of the Central Division, unfortunately Glendora has to go along for the ride.

  • reality

    I’m still more ashamed at the coaches who voted them out of the Valley. They’re the ones who wanted the easy road to a title.

  • NOT REALLY

    reality,
    It’s more the case they finally got the big bullies out of the school yard .Now the bullies don’t want to face the big boys .

  • Pot – Kettle

    reality – how is that any different than these guys trying to stay in a lower division for the same reason?

  • Good Question

    That’s a great question concerning the Olympic league. Why are they not factored into the Mid-Valley. They won’t be dropped for sure because of their success in the playoffs. They won’t go up either as they bottom half of their league is relatively weak. With Paraclete leaving and Maranatha moving in, that should be a pretty strong league.
    Fred, do you know anything about Maranatha. I know they’ve made some noise lately but aren’t they a pretty small school of about 600? Help us out here.

  • >>>

    So what do you hear or think about the new Arrowhead League in football?

    Oh yeah I know outside your coverage area!

    BTW: Aaron, get rid of Divisions?? oh yeah that is a good call!

  • >>>

    So what do you hear or think about the new Arrowhead League in football?

    Oh yeah I know outside your coverage area!

    BTW: Aaron, get rid of Divisions?? oh yeah that is a good call!

  • >>>

    So what do you hear or think about the new Arrowhead League in football?

    Oh yeah I know outside your coverage area!

    BTW: Aaron, get rid of Divisions?? oh yeah that is a good call!

  • Aaron

    Dubb3trathree,

    No actually that’s not what I believe. I think it’s too easy right now for a team to go all the way because the some leagues are only five team leagues and you only have five leagues in a division.

    I don’t know how you could set this up, but basically make divisions with 8 leagues and the league’s having seven teams. I don’t know where that would put us at but certain league’s would have to move up to DI, put some of the IE schools back in the picture.

    I’m not saying get rid of the schools and league’s within the divisions, I’m saying move them up. I’m sure people would have loved to have seen St Maggies play in the finals of the Mid Valley against San Dimas or Monrovia.

    We’ve been talking about watered down divisions on here for a long time right? Well if CIF put it in the by laws on what makes up a league and what makes up a division it could be straightened out.

  • Joe Amat

    Aaron,

    Agree in principle (as far as the “watering down”), but the real problem is an increase to 32 teams (8 leagues at 4 playoff entrants per) makes for a 5 week playoff run – adding a week. Put that on top of the addition of Bowl games (which will increase in number soon. and we might as well eliminate the dual sport-fall/winter athletes.

    Even back when they had the “Big 5″ it was called that for a reason, as is the Pac5. 5 leagues feeds into a 16 team/4 week bracket quite easily.

    The increase in the number of schools has created the necessity for more divisions if you’re going to stay in the present format

  • jcaz

    Why don’t we solve this entire problem by taking a page right out of the basketball playoff philosophy.

    Because there is always going to be someone shut out of a state playoff bowl game (ala the BSC system n college football) why dont we consider doing a playoff within a playoff which would include the very best of each classification ?

    Heres what I mean. Lets take the best teams from each classification (1, 2 and 3) and combine them into a single playoff format similar to the way basketball does it now.

    In division, we could have teams such as Corona Centennial along with St Bonnies, Oaks Christian , OLU (etc) all in one major playoff. This way we can finally solve the question of who should be in the state bowl game at the end of the year and who in fact was the best high school football team.

    Additionally, you can continue to have the regular divisional playoffs without these individual juggernaut programs participating and thus dominating their individual divisions. In this way, you could also add teams that otherwise would never be able to participate in a playoff and perhaps have new CIF champions.

  • How do you want to be remembered?

    The Serra from the Pac-5 fights to stay in the Pac-5.

    The Sierra fights to stay out of Division 2.

    Chalk n Cheese

    Steel n Mud

    Jungle n desert

    Hot fudge n Broccoli

    To be the best of the best, you have to play the best of the best. You must rise to challenge and look your opponent in the eye and say, “I got you dude…I got you!”

    This is our story. This is your story. How do you want to be remembered? The choice is yours…

    http://www.vimeo.com/8585794

  • EHS 1985

    The valley coaches must live in a bottle if they actually think that is a good proposal. To suggest the Eastern Division leagues in this set up would only have two qualifiers for the playoffs is crazy. Serrano, Kaiser, Citrus Hill, La Quinta and Temescal (now in the Sunbelt)are all schools with student bodies over 2000 that play top of the line football. Just look at the number of big time D-1 recruits out of this group of schools each year. Additionally what makes them so arogant that they believe thier league should have more qualifiers than those that they are unfamiliar with?

    Besides, South Hills and Charter Oak are also solid programs that attract top talent every year. It about time they step up and start playing the big boys.

  • COChargerfan

    Hey Turncoat…please brush up on those reading comprehension skills…I’ve NEVER said that CO is better than the top tier of the Pac-5 teams but instead, that they are better than the ones at the bottom…like Cabrillo and Marina. The Pac-5 is 32 teams not just the dozen or so really good ones that folks like you narrowly focuses upon.

    Presently, other than in just a few sports CO hardly ever competes for a league title let alone CIF so how would it be fair to these kids to slot them against much larger, more skilled D2 schools? And Im tired of hearing the only football matters because that is the lamest thing that anyone can say. Leaguing is about equity to ALL the student athletes across the board. If you have doubts, look no further than how Amats programs are divisioned.

    And jcaz, not so sure that basketball is a good example to follow because they pretty much slot for CIF according to school enrollment size with no consideration for competitive equity. So wouldnt that drop Amat football to D7?

    And rememberedmost folks are happy with being successful at what they are and do not suffer from sports-envy so this fictional we want to play the best is nonsenseI dont recall reading anything about Upland Christians basketball team being proud that they are challenging themselves by playing LVLdo you think that the challenge makes these kids feel good about after a 50 point beat down? Guys like you seem to ignore that the CIF rules use competitive equity guidelines and re-league every four yearsto make sure all schools have a chance to win some games. If all that mattered was the best of the best, then CIF would just have ONE division and every school would just play for this one CIF Title. Wouldnt it be exciting for the Rio Hondo Prep players to get Servite in the first round?

  • Just a fan!

    After thinking it over, I honestly beleive that in no way should C.O, S.H, Damien, among ohers go to DIV II. It used to be all about enrollment back in the 70′s & 80′s, not anymore. If that was the case then we wouldn’t have AMAT at the highest level for football with no titles in 15 years, YET there baseball has three or four at the DIV IV level.

  • COChargerfan

    The proposal grants both the Central and Eastern the same 15 entrants…so how is this biased? The Central only has more entrants per league because there are only 4 leagues instead of the 6 in the Eastern. I guess you could move one of the leagues from the Eastern to the Central so each would have 5 leagues so there would be 3 teams for each league but there is the geography problemstill could be done.

    But, part of the proposal is to allow for at-large bids to eliminate sub .500 teams so to be even each league would have 2 automatic teams with 5 at-large…but this would result also result in discontent.

    Either way, the Eastern will only get 15 entrants so EHS 1985 how do you want to divide them up?

  • THIS JUST IN!!!

    Several reliable witnesses have stepped up to claim that Charter Oak head coach Lou Farrar already had this alternate division plan drawn up and tucked away in his back pocket before entering this meeting. Apparently distraught at the thought of having to face the powerful Big 8 and the former Pac-5 (D-1) league in the Citrus Belt, Coach Lou had been relentlessly working on an escape route..Ahem!…an alternate division plan along with a twelve back of Monster energy drinks.

    Approximately 5.6 seconds after initial greetings, there was a loud explosive sound that shattered all nearby windows and set off all the car alarms in the parking lot outside. Much to the relief of all those that attended, the ear-piercing noise proved to originate from Coach Lou himself who had presented his alternate division plan with such speed that he caused a break in the sound barrier.

    More to come as it happens…

  • BAHS

    I agree COChargerfan, It’s not fair to the other sports. I truely believe that the Amat faithful would welcome their baseball team being moved back to D1 status. The Family wasn’t happy when it left. sure we hadn”t won a title but we were right there. So much so that I believe the year we were “Dropped” we had lost in the play-offs to the eventual CIF Champs – Lakewood??? Just like in football, WE WANT TO COMPETE AGAINST THE BEST!!! Sure we like the hardware but it’s the path we take to EARN it that we pride ourselves in most. But I digress, Yes it is not fair to the other sports that have to compete at the D1 level when they are not ready or not privy to the same drawing pool but then again THAT does not matter to some of us :) No matter what, we all need to REP THE SGV!!! Can’t we all just get along?

  • glendora 4 life

    WOW!! talk about glendora getting screwed over! first we get put into tough baseline league like that wasnt hard enough now we might get put into a playoff division with centennial, chapparel, vista murrieta, redlands and other power houses wow we didnt sign up for this. but im sure mark has something in his pocket.

  • jcaz

    COChargerfan maybe your right because perhaps I dont really know how the whole basketball playoffs thing is done, but I guess my only contention was that we have a solution to this entire issue here and that is to bring the better programs together in one playoff format regardless of enrolment size, and regardless of whether or not they play in the city section or the southern section.

    This idea could work if only the folks running the show would by into it. Just a thought thats all.

  • Turncoat

    COChargerfan – speaking of reading comprehension – where did I say anything about “the top level teams”? The debate going around was top to bottom. The top teams are better than the top teams, the middle teams are better than the middle teams and the bottom teams are better than the bottom teams. In other words CO (the D7 champ) is not nearly as good as any Pac5 playoff team. that says the Pac5 is far,far,far superior.
    and you contradicted yourself with two correct observations in two consecutive paragraphs. This proposal is for football only, which CO has been successful in – so CO’s success (or lack of) in other sports is irrelevant. As you state ion the next paragraph when explaining the basketball format.

    justafan – Football has NEVER been about just enrollment – because Amat has been at the highest level while having, as COCF said – a D7 type enrollment(1300+)

    BAHS – Amat’s last year in the OC League w/ Mater Dei/Servite/OLu/etc they were league champions

  • HAHA!

    LMFAO! @ This Just In

    That was a low blow. It was damn funny but low!

  • COChargerfan

    Turncoat…like I said, isolating teams is ignoring the big picture. Where is it written that one can only compare divisions using a top vs. top, middle vs. middle and bottom vs. bottom criteria? This is just your attempt to support an incorrect argument that the Pac-5 teams are ALL superior. Look, you just need to revise what you are saying to the best Pac-5 teams are better than the best Southeastern teams. As to CO making the Pac-5 playoffs, good chance that CO could have beat Long Beach Wilson.

    And Turncoat, the CONFLICT not contradiction is that basketball uses enrollment as the key factor and football focuses on competitive equity.

    While your football team is certainly at the highest level, the same can’t be said of your other sports teams which is why they play down to your enrollment level. Do you realize that CO’s baseball and basketball teams already play at a higher division than Amats?

    The problem arises because the local public schools do not split their teams into multiple leagues/divisions so yes, every sport will be affected.

  • Just a fan!

    Turncoat,
    YOU have always made valid points, and I am in no way trying to get into a who knows more about this stuff.
    HOWEVER first I NEVER mentioned “Football” in my statement. Second YES it did have to do with enrollment back then! I graduated from AMAT in 1982 the year Servite won it all the December before. My siblings were ahead of me, and two behind me. Are you old enough or Can you remember when they had girls on one side of campus, and boys on the other? My mother worked in the office, and back then we had 2,000+ kids. I can remember when SHHS was in DIV 1 and won it all as a kid in football, as well as Los Altos. Whem your enrollment drops the level of competition drops, UNLESS you have a petition! AMAT has been dominant in football since day
    ONE! You think this is the ONLY time AMAT petitioned to STAY in DIV 1? It comes up every four or five years. ONLY now with blogging, the internet, and all this other stuff, we see it in the forfront.
    ALL I am saying is we will NEVER see a PRIVATE school with over 700 kids be in a division LOWER than probably DIV 4 who is halfway decent in sports especially their money maker (football). WHY? OPEN boundries says alot. See AMAT, or SERVITE, or MATER DEI, or OAKS CHRISTIAN, or DAMIEN, or ORANGE LUTHERN, can have 5 kids, OR 5,000. No restrictions, and thats an advantage!
    Look at the BIG 8 for example. ALL eight schools have OVER 2500 kids, they will NEVER go to DIV VII because their sports suck. Redlands EV lost enrollment, and dropped to DIV 2. FOntana, and Eisenhower POWERS in the day lost kids and dropped, Mission Viejo increased in kids, and is NOW in DIV 1. ORANGE LU went from DIV X when it opened to DI in less than 8 years. Oaks Christan will do the same. They have gone from X1 to DIV III, in less than six!

    ALL I am saying is these local schools SHOULD go to DIV 4 at the highest FOR NOW! Take South Hills as a example, they WON CIF in Div IX, then VII, are now competitive in DIV VI, They can compete at DIV V or IV too. Same with Charter Oak. They went from VII to VI, and could compete, in DIV IV, and probably III.

    Everything is in cycles. I mean when I was in school we thrashed Alameny, and now their pretty strong. Who would of thought when I was a senior that a few years later Baldwin Park, or Northview would win CIF?

    Lets put the schools where they belong, and ATTEMPT to do it correctly. AMAT NEEDS DIV I football, and DIV I NEEDS AMAT. I also think AMAT baseball NEEDS to be in at least DIV II.

    EVERYONE KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!

  • just sayin’

    COChargerfan – you’ve been telling us for months that the main reason for Divisions are “geography” and now you’re saying “basketball uses enrollment as the key factor and football focuses on competitive equity”?
    If you are going to compare DIVISIONS not TEAMS, you must compare the whole division accordingly. Best vs Best, Ave vs Ave, and Worst vs Worst. There’s a pretty good chance that little St Margarets beats your Miramonte pal Wilson. That doesn’t mean that D12 is as good as D7. D7 is probably far,far,far superior to D12. I bet Wilson could beat the heck out of Crean Lutheran – and CO may even eak out a win over little Maggies

    FYI to Just a fan – Amat has never had over 2000 students even once in their history

  • COChargerfan

    actually just sayin, what I have said over and over is that the CIF rules say enrollment, geography and competitive equity are the criteria and all are supposed to be equally weighted. What I am also saying is that in the real world the rules are applied differently for football and basketball. So same rules but you might say a different “interpretation.” And I see that you are coming around to my point of view…which is that teams are judged individually and the division that they play in is secondary.

  • SGV FOOTBALL

    I would love to see CO in the Inland divison for football only. That would be great to see how the coaching staff adapts to playing tougher teams. We might not be playing in December the first year but I’m sure CO will adapt and make great runs in the future. Too bad I dont see the move happening.

  • Norco

    well…well…well that`s embarrassing….To night even try or at least entertain the idea and accept the challenge…wow…The Inland is a very tough and physical division and is loaded with D1 athletes. These teams alone this year from the BigVIII Norco, CC, Roosevelt. Corona & Corona Santiago sent had 26 kids sign football Scholarships. So much for wanting to run with the big boys…

  • SGVsBest

    So Fred! I’m hearing that Hags will finalize a 2 year deal with Huntington Park HS this week.
    .
    What do you? Is it possible that this guy will load his schedule with another “Historic” city program?
    .
    Maybe Glendale Hoover was too busy that week.
    .
    Tell us what other “powerhouses” this guy is scheduling. C’mon Fred!
    .

  • SGVsBest

    Hey, Norco-
    .
    Did your meth lab (errrrr Barn) survive the weekend rain storm?
    .
    How about your double wide estate errrr Mobile Home gated community errrr Fenced In Chicken ranch?
    .
    Maybe we’ll play maybe we won’t, but its not gonna be for lack of talent.
    .
    Line’ em up!

  • Amat & SGV Will Shine!!!

    Norco

    Before you come on here and knock the San Gabriel Valley, please take notice that Norco has never faced a true Pac-5 powerhouse. Norco only managed to beat Corona Centennial by one single point. On the flipside, Mater Dei routed Corona Centennial 31-13. A healthy and playoff ready Mater Dei then lost to Bishop Amat 28-21.

    In simpler terms Norco fan, honor and respect are not automatic…it is earned. Don’t come on here disrespecting San Gabriel Valley football when your program does not have the balls to schedule the elite of the Pac-5. West Covina has played Mater Dei. South Hills has played Tesoro. Diamond Ranch has played Oaks Christian. These programs are leaps and bounds ahead of Norco.

    What does Norco know of programs like Long Beach Poly or Servite? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Ya’ll are local and local you will remain!

    If your coach ever has the balls to schedule a Pac-5 powerhouse, I hope he has the balls the schedule BISHOP AMAT.

    The Lancers are ready to give ya’ll a education in San Gabriel Valley and Pac-5 ball…

  • Amat & SGV Will Shine!!!

    Norco

    Before you come on here and knock the San Gabriel Valley, please take notice that Norco has never faced a true Pac-5 powerhouse. Norco only managed to beat Corona Centennial by one single point. On the flipside, Mater Dei routed Corona Centennial 31-13. A healthy and playoff ready Mater Dei then lost to Bishop Amat 28-21.

    In simpler terms Norco fan, honor and respect are not automatic…it is earned. Don’t come on here disrespecting San Gabriel Valley football when your program does not have the balls to schedule the elite of the Pac-5. West Covina has played Mater Dei. South Hills has played Tesoro. Diamond Ranch has played Oaks Christian. These programs are leaps and bounds ahead of Norco.

    What does Norco know of programs like Long Beach Poly or Servite? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Ya’ll are local and local you will remain!

    If your coach ever has the balls to schedule a Pac-5 powerhouse, I hope he has the balls the schedule BISHOP AMAT.

    The Lancers are ready to give ya’ll a education in San Gabriel Valley and Pac-5 ball…

  • Amat & SGV Will Shine!!!

    Norco

    Before you come on here and knock the San Gabriel Valley, please take notice that Norco has never faced a true Pac-5 powerhouse. Norco only managed to beat Corona Centennial by one single point. On the flipside, Mater Dei routed Corona Centennial 31-13. A healthy and playoff ready Mater Dei then lost to Bishop Amat 28-21.

    In simpler terms Norco fan, honor and respect are not automatic…it is earned. Don’t come on here disrespecting San Gabriel Valley football when your program does not have the balls to schedule the elite of the Pac-5. West Covina has played Mater Dei. South Hills has played Tesoro. Diamond Ranch has played Oaks Christian. These programs are leaps and bounds ahead of Norco.

    What does Norco know of programs like Long Beach Poly or Servite? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Ya’ll are local and local you will remain!

    If your coach ever has the balls to schedule a Pac-5 powerhouse, I hope he has the balls the schedule BISHOP AMAT.

    The Lancers are ready to give ya’ll a education in San Gabriel Valley and Pac-5 ball…

  • Norco

    First of all the CC/MD game was in week 2, the Norco/CC game was in week 10 and for you to assume CC did improved week 2-10 is just amazing. I mean we can compare games all we want to and it don`t mean a damn thing. Now your assumption that Norco has not tried to schedule Pac5 teams is very funny…But you are very wrong…I know Norco first hand has tried to schedule Mission Viejo, Edison , Servite, MD and Los AL . This year alone Norco was turned down by Tesoro, Espy, Newport Harbor & La Habra…The only team to step up and play Norco has been Crenshaw the past three years…You know the same Crenshaw team who beat PAC5 favorite last year Lakewood….the same Lakewood team who ended Amats season…Now as far as scheduling Bishop Amat I suggest you guys learn to beat the lower division teams like Los Osos for a change, who by the way plays in the Baseline and was bumped from the Inland division because in two years their league didnt win a damn playoff game. I mean you guys are 0-2 against them.. well next is 2-0…Los Osos did not want to renew its contract with Norco…Now I have plenty of friends who coach at MD & Orange Lutheran and they have told me first hand that Norco is a dangerous game for any school because of their style of play….old school smash mouth football…Norco will run the ball 50 to 60 times a game and maybe throw 1-2 passes….they have size and speed….I guess maybe if they ran that sissy offense the spread teams would play them…And FYI you know that Norco has put out more D1 football players then the schools mentioned above in the last six years…

    Here is out TB for next year…he is already holding offers from PAC10 schools…he was the 3rd option this year behind TB D. Lewis (ASU) & FB Carl Bradford (ASU)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuXZL-v4wvQ&feature=player_embedded

  • oh ya

    Recuiters seem to know where to get the “local talent”

    The 15 freeway, from Rancho, ntario, down through Norco, Corona to Murrietta, Temecula

    No better concentration of prep football in the nation, they can get all their shopping done in one trip to the Inland Empire 15 corridor.

    Arizona, Arizona State , Oregon State, Idaho, Texas, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii…feel free to consider us “local” talent.

  • oh ya

    Amat & SGV Will Shine!!!

    I don`t see where Norco fan was putting down the SGB. You said “In simpler terms Norco fan, honor and respect are not automatic…it is earned” I suggest you look at the title of this blog.”Several coaches from the Sierra and Baseline come up with alternative for CIF to consider”> Where is the honor and respect here? No Honor or respect from progams who run from a challenge.

  • Joe Amat

    I always think it’s funny when people compare games from early in the season to games late in the season by noting the improvement that takes place, yet ignoring that the other team had just as big a chance at improving too.

    If Centennial was better in week 10 than in week 2, it’s a pretty good bet that Mater Dei was better in week 11 than they were in week 2 also.

    For what it’s worth, Amat was 2-0 against Rancho Cucamonga just prior to their contract vs Los Osos. Not sure Rancho wanted to renew that one and went on to win a CIF Championship.

    And I’m not sure a last minute miracle 4 & 23 conversion in the final minute for LO to win is a whole lot different than a week 10 Norco victory over Centennial with a 2pt conversion with :30 seconds to go. Sort of splitting hairs when it comes to using it as a comparison.

  • COChargerfan

    SGVsBest…I was disappointed that you didn’t include some remarks about the Angel’s Club in your Norco crack…man, you are slipping.

    Norco has been a very good program in recent years but as I said on another thread, with Roosevelt’s opening and their sporting a competitive team (a 3 point loss to Norco this season after a victory last year), the future of Norco is dim. Hey Norco, did you take a look at what happended to Ayala and Chino after Chino Hills High opened?

    The IE has more than twice the population of the SGV with an even greater percentage of high school students so it is no surprise that it has more football recruits than the SGV.

    On the other hand, 25% of the IE doesn’t earn a high school diploma and only 20% of the residents have college degrees…some of the worst education stats in the state…so it looks like some of that talent winds up working Saturdays at the drive through window at Burger King instead of playing football.

  • IT’S EVIDENT YOU DON’T KNOW AMAT

    Norco,
    Seeing as you state Norco plays smash mouth football I think that Amat vs Norco would be an interesting game. Amat loves to run the ball and smash mouth is right up our alley. Combine that with a lock down defense and you can see why we are not one for high scoring games. Maybe with all that talent you claim out in the ie you should lobby for a Pac-5 placement. Then instead of comparing this game to that game your teams can really see where you stand against the top programs. Looks like you tried to schedule a lot of teams but for some reason Amat is missing from that list . I wonder why . Norco next time you try to schedule call Amat because we will play anyone ,anytime , anyplace.

  • Norco

    COChargerfan…You keep saying Norcos future is dim…But did you know that Norco has a very strong JAAF program and great community support? That Norcos freshmen & JV won league Titles last year? That Norco had six players from Roosevelt transfer in at the semester? Thats Norco had two OL tranfer in from out of State because of Norcos reputation for getting their OL to the next level.Norco is always and will be a top team team in the IE and the State…Sorry Norcos not going any where anytime soon and like I said before Ayala and Chino don`t even come close to Norco history…Maybe you should tell your Coach to man up and take the challege to play in the Inland Divison..

  • Norco

    COChargerfan…I would like to know where you got your stats…”On the other hand, 25% of the IE doesn’t earn a high school diploma and only 20% of the residents have college degrees…some of the worst education stats in the state…so it looks like some of that talent winds up working Saturdays at the drive through window at Burger King instead of playing football”

    All I know is every kid that attends Norco and has talent to play football has no issues qualifying to Stanford..USC…Wisconsin to name a few…Tell you what how about we compare property values?

  • oh ya

    Pac5 has no neighborhood, no home, no soul. and no D1 state champ. So much for super division.End of story.

  • huh?

    oh ya – the Pac5 Champion won their State Bowl game. Who wants to win a “neighborhood” championship? You do that in kiddie ball. Pac 5 goes from North SFV to South OC. Now THAT’S a Championship!

  • oh ya

    Nothing wrong with winning the “runner up bowl” DLS & Crenshaw were in the open game. The State Championships have been played for four years? And all the PAC5 has to show for it is one? Impressive it really is.

  • COChargerfan

    Norco, look at DataQuest on the Calif Dept of Education website and there are other resources on the web that disseminate the data.

    For real estate prices you may want to look at DataQuicklatest data from Dec 2009 is that the median home price in Norco is $360K down 2.7% from last year whereas the median price in Covina remained unchanged for the past year at $350K.

    The CIF records reflect that Chino High won a small school title in 1948, was the Inland runner up in 1978 and 1982, won D4 in 1997, were the D2 runner up in 1998, 2000 and 2001. Ayala was the 1994 D3 runner up and the D2 runner up in 1996 and 1997. After Chino Hills High opened in 2001nothing.

    I see that Norco was the 1990 D4 runner up, the D5 winner in 1992 and 1993, the D4 runner up in 1994, the 1998 D5 winner, the D5 runner up in 2003, 2004 and 2005 and the Inland winner in 2006so, zero titles or even finals appearances since Roosevelt opened. Am I missing something from Norcos storied history?

    As you can read, both Chino and Ayala were once competitive at the D2 level, that is, before CHH opened. From their case studies, it looks like Norco will suffer the same fate

    As for those Roosevelt transfers, any chance that they are kids that cant start so they are looking for a place to play?

  • HOW ABOUT YOU

    oh yea,
    So who do you root for oh yea. Or are you repping the whole ie so you can hang on to just the winners . Let us know before next season that way before you start to brag on who won what.

  • Oh ya

    HOW ABOUT YOU,
    I support the IE in general.

  • SGVsBest

    Hey Narco -
    .
    What’s the median price of a meth trailer with a detached 12 acre chicken barn in the best area Norco?
    .
    Howbout a fixer upper dairy farm?
    .

  • OH REALLY

    Oh yea,
    There you have another fair weather freddy or is it bandwagon bill. It is very easy to come on here with that type of cowardice . Take a stand lets us know who your main team is . Don’t be embarrased by your team. Or is that the way the ie rolls. We already have one of your kind on this blog , we don’t need another one especially from the ie. Just look above your post to see our finest fool. No set team, only sticks himself to the winning bandwagon so please one’s enough.

  • Oh ya

    OH REALLY,
    I`m an official. Does that answer your question?

  • no wonder

    so that’s why no one can get a fair game called in the IE with homer refs like “oh ya” they don’t have a chance. If I was a coach I wouldn’t wanna come either!

  • Oh ya

    no wonder,

    Homer refs? Ok…During the season I only work Orange County games, playoff time I work IE games. I doubt you ever played the game. You must be one of those fathers who always like to volunteer for the chain gang. But hey nothing wrong with that.

  • Norco

    SGVsBest,

    So you have jokes? Lol, people like you are truly pathetic & have nothing more to do than to hurl insults. Opinions are great… Your opinion is yours & yours alone, but you are extremely narrow-minded and ignorant FOR your opinion when it comes to Norco. You’re a hater. point blank period. But hey nothing wrong with barking like a b!tch, I bet couldn’t bust a grape in a fruit fight….Anyways….

    Now back to the blog…

    Maybe the Sierra League should grow some balls and at least try and compete with some of the top teams in the STATE, theres a reason why you never see Charter Oak, Damien or South Hills in the State rankings or bowls rankings. Corona Centennial, Redlands East Valley, Chaparral and Norco are always in the STATES top 20 year in and year out.

  • CLEARS THINGS UP

    Oh ya,
    So mean to say you don’t have a favorite team. So your only a homer during playoffs . Doesn’t make to much sense the you work the oc during the season then go home for the playoffs . Why not stay with the oc for the playoffs .

  • Oh ya

    CLEARS THINGS UP,

    First of all I`m not a homer. As for our assignments I have no say so where I officiate during the season or playoffs (if my crew is assigned), the only time I do is when I officiate Pop Warner games and then we are asked what Cities do we prefer to work in . Now as far as having a favorite team, I think I made that clear that I support the Inland Empire.

  • no wonder

    so how is Glendora/Charter Oak/South Hills/Damien gonna get a fair game when they come out and play if, as an official, you “support the IE?”

  • SGV FOOTBALL

    norco,

    Everyone knows the team to beat is Corona Centennial, with 5 CIF championships this decade and 2 state championship appearances with 1 state championship under there belt. They have established themselves as the premier team in the IE. Have you played De La Salle and beat them??? Or even hung in there til the fourth quarter no right…

  • Oh ya

    no wonder,

    Please stop with the excuses. Bottom line the Sierra League want`s no part of the Inland Divsion. But I guess there is no surprise there… when you barely made a dent in the Central Division.

  • Norco

    SGV FOOTBALL…
    You sure CC has won 5 CIF Championships THIS DECADE? That would be VERY IMPRESSIVE! But the last “decade” belongs to Norco, Centennial, or North. And yes CC is the PREMIERE program in the Inland right now, but Chaparral and Norco are a very close second and third. And yes Bowl wins are extremely important. Unfortunately for Chaparral and Norco, both were snubbed when they won their perspective titles. IMO both might have come out with wins. Now lest get one thing straight, see unlike you clowns in the SGV… I respect and support other IE programs. Now CC is a GREAT program, but not even CC cant say they played in FOUR straight CIF CHAMPIONSHIP games 2003,2004,2005 and 2006. And last time I checked Norco has scoreboard on CC wining the BIGVIII Title. Bottom line I think winning the Title is obviously the end game, but consistency, as Norco has shown over its past twenty three years is much more important.

    Now IMO the top teams next year will be CC, Chaparral, Norco and North

  • SGV FOOTBALL

    Norco

    As far as the Inland divison goes this decade #1 is CC, #2 is North with 5 CIF Finals appearances and 4 CIF championships, #3 is a tie with Chapparel and Norco. By the way im pretty sure CC has won 5 CIF championships this decade not including the State title.

    2000 Div
    Div. V Centennial/Corona Matt Logan 27-18 Elsinore Elsinore HS

    2002 Div.
    Div. V Centennial/Corona Matt Logan 57-55 JW North Norte Vista HS

    2004
    Div. V Centennial/Corona Matt Logan 49-35 Norco Norte Vista HS

    2007
    Inland Centennial/Corona Matt Logan 42-7 Santiago/Corona Home Depot Center

    2008
    Inland Centennial/Corona Matt Logan 23-17 Chaparral Chaparral HS

  • Norco

    SGV FOOTBALL.
    A little clarification… Norco has four CIF Title appearances with two titles…Chappy has three CIF Title appearances with one Title….Now like I said in an early thread I will take Norco CONSISTENCY…. 1992, 1993, 1994,1998, 2003, 2004 2005 & 2006 thats 8 CIF FINALS appearances in the last 17 yrs and 23 straight years in the playoffs… No other school in the IE can say that.. ..

  • SGV FOOTBALL

    I am talking this decade not 23 years ago. This Decade goes to CC plain and simple.

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