Baseball is a numbers game, but few coaches report the numbers. For the last time, update your stats fellas, no more hiding


Above: Sierra Vista stud Christian Huerta
One of the problems with baseball last year is that coaches — many from the top teams – do not report stats. This has to change, this is the Valley’s most dominant sport, we all deserve to know how the kids are doing. I can promise the coaches who don’t report loved seeing their stats and names in the paper when they were playing, so no more excuses of being scouted or this and that, if everyone is reporting, it’s an even playing field. All this stuff about not reporting because it’s about team and not the individual stats is baloney — that flies in Little League — not competitive high school baseball. Posting stats didn’t stop Amat from winning two titles in a row or San Dimas from winning a title last year, and besides, when coaches are posting, it’s fun to follow a year like the one Josh Leyland had with the Saints, and you can’t do that if teams aren’t reporting. I wanted to put a list of the top returning pitchers, but with half the Valley not reporting last year, these are the returners we know for sure.

1. Paul Paez, Bishop Amat, 10-3, 2.17
2. Adam Plutko, Glendora, 6-2, 2.64
3. Christian Huerta, Sierra Vista, 8-2, 1.96
4. Kenny Mathews, Diamond Bar, 7-2, 2.30
5. Michael Luna, Los Altos, 5-2, 2.38

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  • Absolutely

    Amen

  • baseball rep

    Didnt Plutko get lit up all last year. I only remember Gonzales winning games for the tartans. Bishop Amant #1!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Don

    I may be wrong, but I think Plutko went 6-3 last year and finished with something like half of the Glendora strikeouts. Gonzales did well early on but struggled a bit in the second half, maybe only one win after the Easter tourneys.

  • just a thought

    So are we calling these teams out because reporting the stats will be good for the players or because it will appease the fans and bloggers who apparently have a right to know the specific statistics of each player?

  • parent blooger

    reporting stats….if the parents would kick back and enjoy the games and the stats, problems should be minimal. i have parents call me because they believe their kids era is incorrect. i have parents email me because i scored an error and in their home score book they scored a hit. now they are concerned with their kids batting average. they can’t understand that’s why their kid hits 600 in non high school ball. they believe everything hit fairly is a base hit.i had a mom debate me about whether her kid should be given an error on a ball they didn’t even try for. when i asked the player why they let the ball go through they said, “my outside coach said if i try to make the play and can’t, i could get an error. if i let it go the coach has to count it a base hit.” wonderful thing us high school coaches have to deal with.

    i have already had a parent phone call about her daughters position that i listed on the roster. she wanted to know why i did that. this is a month before the season starts. the parents are worse than the kids, no doubt. i took down my roster and won’t be listing stats because some of my parents are idiots and they can keep score themselves.

  • not the point

    Then I guess the whiny parents win then, we should all stop, it’ll be anarchy. uh, sorry for the breakfast club flash bacback, but look, there are whiny parents at 5 years old little league games, they don’t even keep freaking standings anymore because mom doesn’t think johnny boy can deal with scoreboard. Hey, we took it, and they didn’t just post standings, they posted stats on the shed. You loved it, we loved it, we survived and got tougher, thick skinned, prepared for the world. Not all this BS that goes on today. I’m not mad at the coach, I’m mad at the situation, that this over protective obsessiveness keeps getting worse and worse. That why don’t let the parents win dude, just tell em like like Nicholson, you run your ship how you run your ship. the more rope we give em, the more they keep taking.

  • Cease & Desist

    Every program is entitled to their own decision whether to post stats or not and thou must not forceth the issue…

  • Cease & Desist

    Every program is entitled to their own decision whether to post stats or not and thou must not forceth the issue…

  • Cease & Desist

    Every program is entitled to their own decision whether to post stats or not and thou must not forceth the issue…

  • >>>

    Amen to Parent blogger’s comment.

    Most stats I see are meaningless, coaches are busy padding batting averages, etc

    I would guess most HS batting averages are inflated by at least 20 to 30%.

  • >>>

    Amen to Parent blogger’s comment.

    Most stats I see are meaningless, coaches are busy padding batting averages, etc

    I would guess most HS batting averages are inflated by at least 20 to 30%.

  • >>>

    Amen to Parent blogger’s comment.

    Most stats I see are meaningless, coaches are busy padding batting averages, etc

    I would guess most HS batting averages are inflated by at least 20 to 30%.

  • SGV BLOG

    Fred, I really dont think you need maxpreps to know that Steven Baltierra is a better pitcher than Micheal Luna …… and deserves a spot on the list. but i guess thats what happens when u play at wilson, you get pushed to the side and dont get recognized

  • Glad to see the support!

    I’m glad to see some bloggers not in agreement with Fred on this one. Posting the kids stats is meaningless! It’s good for Fred because it spikes interest in his blog and the paper, but at whose expense? Yes, the coaches and their programs. These are teenagers Fred and image and ink is everything to them. We are in an individual first society these days led by today’s athletes and throwing these inflated stats that coaches give to the tribune doesn’t help the situation. Do you think Kevin Smith wants to have his two phenom sophomores (maybe 15 years old) worried about what people think if they struggle at all and their average is not up to par for what some think a div. 1 kids average should be? It is what it is. Does a batting average or era mean that much to the blog that we call out good programs and coaches for “hiding” their stats. This is stupid. Coaches, do what you believe in.

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    “It’s good for Fred because it spikes interest in his blog and the paper, but at whose expense?”

    That’s hilarious. We’re talking about baseball — the most stat-driven sport there is. And you think Fred wants to know because of the blog?

    Even if he did, you act like it’s a one-way street. And what does the blog or paper give back? Does it boost interest? Does it provide incredible exposure to the kids and their teams? We all know the answer to that.

    The coaches are worried about scouting but isn’t the majority of their schedule against other local teams whose coaches know the local talent anyway?

    Fortunately, most coaches I covered in my previous stint would provide the stats if I needed them for an article.

  • kh

    stats been part of the game forever.
    the only ones who dont want to see them is the parent whos kids a 200 hitter..so your saying if a pro-scouts at home making a report on a draftable prospect,and he dosnt have the stats in front of him,he should at any time go to the hs teams web and pull them off.coaches and scouts plus college dont have alot of time to call each other and asks whats the kids era.rbis hr.get with life and do your coaching job and post stats.theres no way a coach will patten a players stats like you guys 30 or 40 points.if your a 200 hitter thats what you are same thing for 400 hitters they just work twice as hard as a 200 hitter.come over to the house ill show you what i mean,

  • Don

    Over the past couple of seasons one of the problems with not posting stats is that fans will drop in and complain about the lack of coverage for their favorite school. Realistically, the guys here, Fred and sometimes Steve, might catch two or three games a week during the season, most of played by the usual suspects like Amat, Charter Oak, South Hills, Damien, pretty much guys who are used to close coverage by the paper. These teams get attention because they are at the top of their league, their players get recognition in the local paper (blog) and everybody is happy. Frankly, why would they feel the need to publicize individual statistics? The only way to get teams like the Chargers or the Huskies to go public would be to stop recognizing their players in the paper.

    Dont hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

    On the other hand a team stuck in their leagues cellar might have a pretty good player or two who frankly would get little notice outside of his personal fans were it not for the info on MaxPreps. The Pak kid over at Diamond Bar comes to mind, Baltierra is another but Im sure there are lots more who fly under the radar. Coaches at schools in the lower tiers of their leagues are nuts for not getting any publicity that reflects positively on their programs.

    Stats Padding? Yeah, it happens. Im guessing the 20 to 30%? Inflation of averages quoted below may be a smidge high but you know its going on. The problem is most of the official scoring is done by a parent or stat girl type who checks with the HC on close plays and what is the Coach going to do but give the nod to his guy. Until there is a certification of Official Scorekeepers as they have in the bigs, take the stats for what they are or keep your own.

  • Mario Mendoza

    those who can did – those who couldn’t – invite people over and say they’ll show ‘em. Show ‘em how they hit below the Mendoza line in the lowest level possible?

  • not the point

    did you say these are teenagers and image and ink is everything to them? Hate to tell you, but the image and ink are more important to parents like you, the over-protective ones. These kids atougher than you think, they live in a world where rumor and inuendo spread fast on facebook, myspace, twitter, and blogs, and they deal with it, learn from it, grow and mature from it, just like you did when you were a kid and the world was less coddling. or maybe you’re right, nobody should post, not in football, baseball, nothing, the world would be a better place, right?

  • Old Timer

    Posting stats for the kids in the paper is a coach’s decision only. Ive seen more kids ruined cause they think there better then the game. I dont blame these coach’s for not posting weekly. It only caused your team and the kid grief. I happen to know a very prominent coach in this valley who for years wont publish stats because the parents and the kids talk more about that then anything else. I also know the Trib will continue to cover only the top 4 or 5 teams every week and throw a bone to the others every now and then. Its been like that here for years and the player of the year award usually is the same thing.

    Stay strong coach’s and if you dont want to report then dont. All the middle of the road schools get crap anyway if they have a kid tearing it up, all you hear is “its a weak league or his stats are inflated” if all you parents were not such idiots nowadays towards coach’s and schools and there decisions I am sure the coach’s would be more friendly.

    Side note for Fred and the Trib. When are you gonna cover baseball like you do football and give each league there own day to preview every school in the league like the old days. Seems with the papers #’s dropping every year do to computers and internet use you would want to go after the LOCAL news more then all the other stuff we can read on line. I remember back in the day every league used to get there own day and preview. Now you guys SLAM it all in a page or two for the whole Valley. Not cool IMO

    thanks for the time

  • SGV BLOG

    Listen i dont have anything against luna he is a good player ,,the thing that i think is not fair is that players like Baltierra dont get enough recognition just because his coach didnt take the time to put his stats in..but it is what it is keep it up Steve and u will get the respect u deserve

  • disgruntled southman

    Stat inflation was unduly influential tords the voting for Mission Valley baseball MVP last year as Coach Gill (as summa you loudmouth foosies have billed him by) did so for Jimmyy Saucedo to get a peice of the league MVP honors. Aparrently he didnt release stats (a select few got em tho) until teh league meeting is what i heard. I seen both scorbooks from during matchups mead, gabby, el monte, etc. games and its polar opposite! even asked my homies on opposing teams on myspace n everything man, I dident say anything then cuz big deal snitch rat heat o’da moment and all u know. S E M marked ah lot of what opposing team write down as errors for hits – 1 example. I am witness! Where is the SGV accountability office when you need em HUH…no wonderrrr tey lazed on posting thier numeros on MaxiPreps lasT year!

    -disgruntled southman

  • Heights

    SGV BLOG

    That is Fred’s point no stats on Balterra, everyone knows that Balterra is a much better pitcher, no stats to back it up.

  • As I See It

    I can’t believe what I am reading. Baseball is a stats game period. You go to a pro or college game all the players stats are listed. The first thing a college coach is going to ask a recruit is (1) What is your 60 yard dash time (2) Let me see your stats (3) What are your grades, in that order. My son is right in the middle of all this right now so I know exactly what I am talking about. There has not been a single D1 coach who has not asked for this information or a single scout for that matter. It is what makes up the fabric of this game but it also a measuring stick for the players. My son happens to play for a coach who does not believe in posting stats or for that matter personal awards like MVP or Silver slugger on the team, talk about difficult conversations with these people. Luckly for my son he plays on one of the top travel teams in the nation during the summer so he gets a lot of pub from that otherwise it would be off a juinor college you go because if we waited for our high school coach to help my kid get to a D1 school good luck. If you want to have your players and schools recognized then you have to post stats or stop complaining about the few schools that do. Only a few schools get pub on this page because that is all the information they have to work with. Pull the bone out of your nose and join the 21st century.

  • Rip

    “As I see it” must be Ray Charles because he’s not seeing crap,

    You say first thing college coaches ask is following:
    1. 60 yard time- This is absolutely not first thing they ask. Can care less about your time if you can’t swing the bat or catch the ball. They ask later.
    2. Stats. They have a curiosity about your numbers to see if you a “real guy” or a guy that looks good, but not nearly the focus of what they’re looking for at top of their list. Way down the list.
    3. GPA. GPA is very important. Depends on the university and admissions requirements for that school. For some schools, this will be 1 or 2 on the list.
    This is what they’re looking for…order can be little different, but main things they looking at.
    1. Body- does the kid measure up to other kids at d1 level and will the body fill out.
    2. Hitters- does the kid have a swing or plate presence that will measure at next level. (Bat speed, pitch recognition)
    Pitchers- arm slot, velocity, size, effort on pitches, an out pitch at next level.
    3. Mental makeup. Is this the kid they want representing their university. Have good character.
    4. Grades and certain classes (this will be 1 or 2 on list for certain universities.
    Now this is what big time places are looking at. Fred do some research and call local d1 coaches and ask them if they look at newspaper for stats or do they call and ask people (coaches and scouts) they respect for the best out there. I guarantee what that answer will be.

  • COChargerfan

    “Rip” hits a home run for his take. And folks, college coaches do their own homework on kids and don’t put a lot of trust in “stats”…they are looking at the very items that Rip points out. And if you want to go to a prestigious academic school, then grades are numero uno. A friend on mine whose kid is playing college golf told me about his kid’s friend who transferred this year to Harvard on a full golf scholarship. This kid is not one of the elite college golfers and Harvards golf team isnt going to challenge the Arizona schools for the NCAA title but they demand academics first so he got the scholarship.

  • kh

    cant believe people are so simple minded.
    when you go to the store,we dont guess prices.
    there marked on the goods.buy a car ,again the price is on the windshield.
    you go to a baseball game the stats are in the program.
    so in saying that,coaches get with the program and do your job,my god your getting paid to coach,go to work.
    in the game of baseball,its like no other sports.
    its not like golf,where you can go pick up the clubs and hack around. baseball the talent will top off at some times for the kids,to bad the parents dont see it that way.
    keep signing up your kid when he dosent want to play any more.leave it along.cut the cord.
    hes still your son. your dream for him is gone,dosent make him any less of a son.
    look back at all those afternoon you spent in the bar of weekends at the golf crouse,maybe thats the blame.if you didnt get to the pros. what thinks hes going to the pros.
    in life we only get out ,what we put in.

  • Idea

    Fred,

    If you are so concerned about getting correct stats, why don’t you get about 15 interns a week and go to the home games & be the official scorekeeper for each local game. This way you get your stats, there’s no “homer” stats from the coaches & you can get free publicity…”Stats presented by The SG Tribune”.

  • baseballl rep

    I’m not a pkutko fan I don’t even think he got all league or honorable mention his last 2 starting seasons what does that tell you? He doesn’t know how to pitch. He throws hard but he doesn’t have control and has a straight fastball. Just another henley favorite

  • Reno Jr

    Hit the road Jack and dont you come back no moe’ no moe’ no moe’ no moe’ …

  • As I See It

    It never fails to amaze me when people fail to believe someone who is giving you honest and complete information and then someone who knows nothing about it tries to blow you out of the water with no facts at all. I told you of the direct first hand experience my son just went thru this summer and fall with major university coaches (UCI, Fullerton, USC, UCLA, ASU, U of A, UO, OSU, USD, SDSU, and LMU) and you are going to try and deny that. If you don’t think a 60 yard dash time is important then why is it run at every major summer event, scout event and showcase. Since you don’t understand how important the 60 yard dash is then that just tells me your real first hand experience is really lacking so there is no need to go any further on the other two points. Oh by the way, I know that the coaches at SDSU know the 60 yard dash time of Munoz, Sailor and France. How do I know that – because I have seen them run it.

  • Plutko

    Plutko seems to be getting a bad rap here on the boards as has been the case in the past. Like it or not, he will be a high draft pick in June. How many other players in the entire SGV can you say that about? Paez might be a low pick and that’s about it. Obviously he is not a finished product, but I’d take him on my team in a second.

  • socal baseball fan

    To COCharger fan: There are no full golf scholarships to Harvard or any of the ivy league schools. The IVY League does not give out scholarships in any sports. You can get academic grants and now most ivy league schools if you get accepted help you out with the cost on what your ability is to pay. Coaches do select athletes that are given priority by the admission committee which must meet strict guidelines. Very few transfers are accepted into ivy league schools as the drop out rate is minimal. My son attended Princeton and graduated in 01.

  • High School Ball

    I think Fred shoudnt have put this list out….. you people complaining that Baltierra should be there and how he is better than Luna , you know he probably is better than Luna but i really dont think him not being on this list will really effect him… he will still get the job done

  • COChargerfan

    socal baseball…you are right…technically, it was a grant that covered everything but I just kept it simple for this blog by calling it a “scholarship.” Whatver you call it, this kid is getting a full paid for ride.

  • Prep writer from another paper

    Don’t post stats, don’t get coverage. Period.

    If the stats are “meaningless,” as one poster said, then so are the scores and so is your team.

    You can’t imagine how difficult it is to cover games in which the teams will not provide stats. A good game story relies on context — it’s always about more than the game — and with no stats, minimal context.

    Yes, parents are out of control. It would be nice if coaches could just tell these parents to stop it.

    Just my 2 cents.

  • AMAT Observer

    talking about paul paez. i went to an amat scrimmage game agianst servite this past monday and well it didnt go to well for the team. they struggled a bit offensively and the pitching got pretty roughed up but besides that i really liked those two young arms by the last names of iniguez and zamora so watch out for them in the future.

  • THIS IS REALLY TO MUCH

    COCF,
    Gee thanks COCF for keeping it simple for us bloggers out here. Can’t you ever admit that you could possibly be wrong about a subject. You wrote someone transfered to Harvard on a “golf scholarship”. Now someone who knows comes on to correct you on your error and you write, you are right technically , it was a grant but you called it a scholarship to keep it simple for this blog as if the bloggers can’t understand the difference between a grant and scholarship.You finish with call it what you want the kid gets a free ride. It’s called a grant not a scholarship. A grant. I have read many of your posts where you have spoken of your college education and a few other things and your condescending style of writing reeks of a self centered person with an ego the size of the moon. Now just go back to the other thread and fight that battle of the verbal commitment and it’s meaningless worth , instead of just congratulating a fine young man who in his eyes made a commitment he and his family felt was the right one and please keep it simple ” for this blog ” as you say.

  • THIS IS REALLY TO MUCH

    COCF,
    Gee thanks COCF for keeping it simple for us bloggers out here. Can’t you ever admit that you could possibly be wrong about a subject. You wrote someone transfered to Harvard on a “golf scholarship”. Now someone who knows comes on to correct you on your error and you write, you are right technically , it was a grant but you called it a scholarship to keep it simple for this blog as if the bloggers can’t understand the difference between a grant and scholarship.You finish with call it what you want the kid gets a free ride. It’s called a grant not a scholarship. A grant. I have read many of your posts where you have spoken of your college education and a few other things and your condescending style of writing reeks of a self centered person with an ego the size of the moon. Now just go back to the other thread and fight that battle of the verbal commitment and it’s meaningless worth , instead of just congratulating a fine young man who in his eyes made a commitment he and his family felt was the right one and please keep it simple ” for this blog ” as you say.

  • THIS IS REALLY TO MUCH

    COCF,
    Gee thanks COCF for keeping it simple for us bloggers out here. Can’t you ever admit that you could possibly be wrong about a subject. You wrote someone transfered to Harvard on a “golf scholarship”. Now someone who knows comes on to correct you on your error and you write, you are right technically , it was a grant but you called it a scholarship to keep it simple for this blog as if the bloggers can’t understand the difference between a grant and scholarship.You finish with call it what you want the kid gets a free ride. It’s called a grant not a scholarship. A grant. I have read many of your posts where you have spoken of your college education and a few other things and your condescending style of writing reeks of a self centered person with an ego the size of the moon. Now just go back to the other thread and fight that battle of the verbal commitment and it’s meaningless worth , instead of just congratulating a fine young man who in his eyes made a commitment he and his family felt was the right one and please keep it simple ” for this blog ” as you say.

  • COChargerfan

    TO [sic TOO] MUCH…it is pretty common knowledge how the Ivy schools work…same thing is happening at the DIII schools who also don’t technically award “scholarships” but instead cover costs through “grants.” Whatever you want to call it, its a free education.

    I find it hilarious that some of you knuckleheads are so defensive just because guys like Don and myself just pointed out the obvious. And how come none of you have anything to say regarding the comments by “As I see it” on the CJ Saylor verbal thread? Theres a first person account of reality that promises mean absolutely nothing. Apparently you missed the part about maybe half the players that SD State committed to are going to be sent packing to a JC.

    And nobody including myself has said anything negative about young Mr. France whose future is bright but, instead, has discussed the problems with verbals, including those at an age before the NCAA allows kids to make commitments. You need to separate the two and then open up your mind.

  • COChargerfan

    TO MUCH, to finish my thoughts because you are calling me out, in 2003 my son-in-law to be was recruited from a local school and offered a grant (scholarship) from an Ivy school so this is not something new to me.

    And, for you doubters, here’s some more info on the Ivy schools providing scholarships.

    “By the late 1990s it became clear that we [Princeton] needed to do more (i.e. to be competitive in athletics), and in 2001 the University implemented a variety of financial aid improvements to create the best possible need-based aid program. Central to this program is our groundbreaking “no loan” policy; Princeton was the first university to offer every aid recipient a financial aid package that replaces loans with grant aid (scholarships) that students do not pay back.”

    And many of the other Ivys have followed Princeton’s lead…so the Ivys do recruit and do provide grant aid (scholarships).

  • Love BHS staff

    kh since your such a numbers guy then you should know at 5’4 your son is not big enough to live your dream.

  • Conq “76

    Way back when, I recall we all got a kick out of seeing the standings and some limited stats in the “Highlander”. Artie Aragon or Ron Hertel would always get a mention for a homerun or number of strikeouts.

    I still wonder how our parents endured our Pee-Wee, (it was called the Continental League for 8 year olds with team names like the Fireballs, Allies and Continentals…) games. No mercy rule, no time limit, no number of batters per inning, sheesh! Game days must have been a nightmare!

  • YOU WISH

    COCF,
    You are no way the in the same league as Don. He adds insight and by no means in anyway comes across as your pompus azz does on more than one ocassion. Again you are wrong in including Don as pointing out the obivious. You stand alone in your retoric and not even in the same league as Don when it comes to posting valuable information or one’s opinion on the blog.

  • COChargerfan

    YOU WISH…please go back and read the Ty France thread again because a boat load of people (including you?) took pot shots at Don for his Feb 10th post which included the take that most people reading the headline walk away with the assumption that the kid has been awarded an athletic scholarship to play ball for Coach Gwynnthis is exactly the same type of stuff that I was saying. Ironically, I know Don from our COYBSA baseball days.

    And no one forces you to read my opinion so if you dont like it just skip it instead of engaging me in an argument, calling me names, etc. My guess is that you enjoyed calling me out but not getting hit in the face with the b.s. when it hit the fanso dont turn the fan on my friend.

    And finally, may I suggest that you use one screen moniker so that everyone knows what you stand for or like one of my college teachers used to say, What do you profess? You are able to call me an azz for previous comments because I always use the same moniker but then you dont have the guts to do the same.

  • Man up

    Love BHS staff said:

    kh since your such a numbers guy then you should know at 5’4 your son is not big enough to live your dream.

    Dude, not cool! leave the boys out of it.

  • socal baseball fan

    Princeton reason for giving grants to students was to make the student body more diverse in ethnicity. When my son attended Princeton between 1997-2001 the student body was predominately white. The cost to attend Princeton was 40K/year and they did offer aid depending on your income. To get more diversity Princeton went to a grant in aid to help families who made less than 75K/year. They would be required to pay a certain amount and the rest would come in grants. This was not done for athletics. Princeton has never had a hard time getting athletes. Currently they have 3 players in the major leagues. Other ivy league schools have followed Princeton and thus when you graduate you are not left with a big debt. Ivy league schools have strict guidelines for athletes.

  • kh

    love bhs staff.
    there we go again,more homos.
    kc about 5-9 and 175
    all mucsal dude.
    hes his own man ,go tell him to his face your problem with his size.
    be care full hes one of the only wrestler to stuff amats man and send the poor guy home last year,no trip to cif.
    we went.did your son.
    your a punk taking a shot at players.
    the real men on the blog.can take a shot from one another.we have a thing ,we leave the players out of negitives,join the group. or state your real name behinh the blog.out ken huth

  • Don

    Sadly, the misinformation, malarkey, and baloney has migrated to another thread. So sad.

    Knock me all you like, Ill play.

    Beat up Ken if you like, hes tough and he can take it.

    DO NOT BRING THE KIDS NAMES INTO THE BLOG BATTLES.

    You may think your anonymity here or your use of multiple nom de plums protect you. They dont, the people from your own home team are more than happy to share your identity with the world. You know, just like me.

    The best of the bloggers here, Joe, Plaid, MTC, 73, BB&G, and the rest of the best NEVER negatively calls out a kid. Those who do, show themselves as weak links with a personal agenda. Sad and weak.

  • COChargerfan

    socal baseball…here’s a link to a recent article in The Cornell Dailey Sun on the athletic scholarship game being played by the Ivy’s:

    http://cornellsun.com/section/news/content/2010/01/21/under-ivy-league-pressure-cornell-scales-back-finaid-program-athlete

    They are all playing a game to give athletic scholarships to kids without calling it so.

  • Wait a minute

    KH

    I agree that the guy calling out your kid was wrong and cowardly, but you are constantly on here telling us how good your kid is, which he is and I really don’t have a problem with. What I do take issue with is the fact that anytime someone gets into a blogging spar with you, you immediately resort to telling how your kid is better than their kid and their kid lacks talent and doesn’t work hard enough. You do this over and over so don’t be surprised with bloggers start to call out or comment on your kid and don’t act like your a positive contribitor to the blog when almost all your comments turn into insulting rants against other bloggers. KH – you are better than this and you know it. Your kid is a fine player and we all know that. Looking forward to the season.

  • ENOUGH

    COCF,
    Give it a rest man. How long are you going to beat a dead horse .

  • kh

    hew haw haw
    now its time, to say good by,
    to all my blog a tears.
    we leave for stocktom tonight,
    the season is real near.
    so my friends,like i said
    i will shut the blog down, over here.
    please you guys ,hang in there ,stop all the tears.
    and its not about us,its the love for the game. again coming from our house.
    its not how you play the game,
    its how bad you beat the other team
    while playing the game.teach that theory.and you might rise a winner.
    ill talk back around mid season,will see whos
    doing there jobs,will see whos not.signing out 145 days clean and sober.
    look in the minor,
    are you happy.
    then help somebodys whos not.

  • COChargerfan

    ENOUGH…seems that the horse was still kicking last night at 6:56 pm (while I was sitting in beautiful Rosamond cheering the victorious Chargers to victory!) so my response this morning isn’t beating anything but, instead, is me just hopping back on for another ride. Besides, some accuse me of never providing anything of value and what I provided for all to read in the Cornell newspaper (not my opinion) is a free education into how the Ivy’s really work…does anyone out there still believe that they don’t recruit and provide scholarships…err, grants, to student athletes?

  • BHS staff

    Please KH… as much stuff as you talk about kids and their ability and now you but hurt because someone said your kid was small.

    Beside the jab was at you not your kid for putting false expectations on your kid.

    Your right you should save yourself some more embarssment and shut it down.

    Funny act like an a$$ on the blog, talk about other peoples kids and coaches, then want to be all sensative…..lol

  • $

    Left the softball thread for this?

  • WHERE YOU GOING

    kh,
    Not sure if you are going to Stockton or Stockholm , with your spelling it’s anyones guess. What is up with the it’s not how you play the game it’s how bad you beat the other team.Teach that and you might raise a winner. Come on kh where is your sense of sportsmanship and fair play. Baseball is an honorable game , why tarnish it with a statement like that. Is that how you teach the game . It is time to heed you own advise and you take a look in the mirror. Being sober is only the beginning of a long road back to being a constructive and contributing member of society in a positive manner which at this time you are neither.

  • GET A CLUE

    WHERE ARE YOU GOING all that?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!

    His role in society is based on the blog interaction as evaluated by you?

    Get real! Ken keep up the good wrk you do and let this guy’s comments speak for themselves. he’s the douchebag !

  • HERE IS THE CLUE

    Get a clue,
    Do you even bother reading some of the crap kh comes on the blog with at times. Sure it’s great that he is now clean and sober but to read some of his praises to the Lord and such and then he comes on blasts kids and parents alike well he needs a few more AA classes to get his house in order. He should just be thankful he’s sober and stop slamming others as if he has no faults. If you put it in print be expecting to hear back from people who can clearly see this guy speaks out of both sides of his mouth. It also seems he is not very well accepted in his own community either by some of the posts directed at him. Defend him all you want but this blog is a society and a community and he is a menace to many .

  • Beat the horse

    BYE KH

    About time! Your a disgrace to the community here at BHS!

    Lookin forward to mid-year round up!

  • soberman

    man, leave my better half alone.
    i dont like when you take shots at kh,
    it brings out the devil in him.
    soberman then has to step in and remind kh that those are just lost soles philosophizing.
    these ungodly beast reap the rapt. there own day will come when they will have to walk in the lights of there day of judgement.
    kh is not here to please your soles,he has his own duties to deal with.
    in closing to all my new brothers and sisters.jealousy and hatred can really eat at ones inner sole.
    going back a few years in the past i see where kh did the community of la verne a favor taking a little league team which no body wanted,because the pre vious season won the championship and lost 9 out of 12 players.so kh stepped up for the city of la verne and took the team.it was along season lost the first 14 games.all the big shot l.l.manager were having the time of there lifes at kh and team,beating them in double digits,they won game 14 which was kh baseball number,what a relief it was ,then lost the next 6 in a row. one kid on the team who lead the league in hitting and had a 19 hitting streak,wasnt put on the 11 and 12 year old all stars,remember the manager was new to the town and his son wasnt in the l.v. mix yet.acrouse the 3 other 11 who made the team,dads where all on the broad.so i remember kh was asked again to put together a 11year old allstar team that played in a trouney,way out in wrightwood somewhere.they had a good group of kids and played 5 games not bad for a gentleman you say the community hates.well back to the l.l. season, the next season kh and teamed paid back every manager from the pasted,they beat them like step childred.sorry the kh came out of soberman, they won the l.l. championship and went on to the city parade honking the horn at all the community who respects the manager and his kids for a job well deserved,so in saying the fewin who speak with fork thoung,
    in psalms-22–7– all those who see me ridicule me;they shoot out the lip,they shake the head,
    -14-they gape at me with thier mouths,like a raging and roaring lion.
    in closing psalm -25.
    to you,o lord,i lift up my soul.
    o my god,i trust in you; let not my enemies
    triumph over me. amen

  • haha

    Not sure if KH wrote that last entry or not. Can’t believe he spelled philosophizing correctly.

  • 77

    Hey Soberman
    give us some scores from Stockton?

  • hookedonphonix

    sweden beat belarus 4-2… is that the score you were looking for?

  • hookedonphoknees

    No Stockton as in California not Stockholm as in Sweden.

  • soberman

    77 hahaha
    soberman is a better person then kh.
    there probable going to lock kh up again.
    if we keep this doulble duty going.
    ok 77 i just talked to k.c my boy and they having a great time up in stockholm.tomorrow they play a scrimmage work-out,no we didnt go this year or last year.its a time so k.c. can get away from me,being the monster i am,
    when he went to az. jr. olympic with the mlb compton,i didnt go either.
    i try to weed k.c. off in the baseball field,
    sooner or later college or THIS dream of playing in the minors, trying to advance up the ladder in the pros. maybe next year i will make the trip,we have family in elk groove sac. so tomorrow they will be then .thats for asking

  • soberman

    77 hahaha
    soberman is a better person then kh.
    there probable going to lock kh up again.
    if we keep this doulble duty going.
    ok 77 i just talked to k.c my boy and they having a great time up in stockholm.tomorrow they play a scrimmage work-out,no we didnt go this year or last year.its a time so k.c. can get away from me,being the monster i am,
    when he went to az. jr. olympic with the mlb compton,i didnt go either.
    i try to weed k.c. off in the baseball field,
    sooner or later college or THIS dream of playing in the minors, trying to advance up the ladder in the pros. maybe next year i will make the trip,we have family in elk groove sac. so tomorrow they will be then .thats for asking

  • pablo garcia

    do all the schools have a pay to play policy?I have a nephew who wanted to try out at Ayala a nd was told only players belonging to the coaches travel squad would probably play.Also only one type of bat could be used and he’s the guy selling them.so if he cant make money off a player he doesnt want them.please tell me its not like that everywhwere.

  • Let the demon sleep

    HK no one in LV hates Ken, stop with that nonsense. what do you get out of making the man twist in the wind? he’s trying to do a stretch, loves his kid and teaches baseball to whoever needs a hand. i thought some of his comments were stretching it but then he always comes back and makes amends and besides he doesn’t hide

    hope things work out for you ken. i did a 20 year stretch and then downed 12 Jack Daniels to bury and old friend. Life gets better because we actually live it…warts and all.

    ken let me tell you, the demons may sleep but they are never dead. here’s a word to the wise when the demons come let them loose…some day they’ll find another place to sleep my brother.

    One day a a person close to me decided my demon had slept too long and came close to shaking him out of me. That day I knew my demon was gone, because he’s still breathing today. when the time comes to put some real time in ken remember this, today is the only day that matters, live it well. if the demon is ever near just remember this…why waste another day when you have so much to do.

    best of luck ken and do yourself and your son a favor and ignore those that are cowards and enjoy those that enjoy you

  • soberman

    let the demons sleep.
    great blog.
    i loved it.
    on day 137,and your right all we have is today.
    going to mlb conmpton,today to watch one of are players from the sgv .elis he plays for the redbirds in the off season as did his father,hes at southern u. there in town playing in the martin l king games.game time 400 then ucla plays at 600 right after,ucla has cody from glendora on this team and jeff from bonita on the ucla team ,both kids played last night thats great true fr. getting playing times.
    i dont want to put my foot in my mouth yet,but fred should be all over this game following the local kids.maybe there in the paper today i have it right here will see in a second.hold on.
    nothing on the college openner.maybe they should hire me to do some inside baseball.that could be fun.come on haters say something stupit,the stockholm was a joke because i missed spelled it wrong a couple of blogs ago and all the english majors unloaded on poor kh.looking for some one to go with me to the games today call 626 2535986 will get a subway and off to some college baseball boys.i love being soberman

  • Don

    Here you go 77:

    Green 2

    White 1

  • kh

    77
    there you got it from don
    green 2
    white 1
    if there still on same colors here ,up there
    then dons boys on white and k.c. on green .off to compton watch some college ball

  • playhardr

    well said oldtimer, I second the motion to cover all leagues and preview all teams. Then the sleepers may be found rather than just the hi profile teams and players. Great idea.

    Sgv guy, you are really pumping up one player here. He is on the radar now let him do his thing. And might I suggest not calling out other kids.

    Love bhs: that comment is very low class, and just flat out cold, his son is a fine young man that is living his own dream and will out hit many 60 players this year. You should have the size heart that that young man has. Enough said. And at least kh lets u know where its coming from, what about u?

    Now back to the theme here, Im all for stats but lets just take out the subjectivity and call everything a hit and have no errors. Ill bet that it will all even out in terms of one player stats vs another. One thing for sure it will be consistent and no more arguments. Then we all will just take off say 50 points and come up with a average. Walla. And let me add that all of you are only talking about batting. What about earned run averages. I see some of the era below and say hmmm. I know 2 kids on the list that I saw games where they gave up at least 5 runs in less than 3 innings, and that will just about kill your era.

    1. Paul Paez, Bishop Amat, 10-3, 2.17
    2. Adam Plutko, Glendora, 6-2, 2.64
    3. Christian Huerta, Sierra Vista, 8-2, 1.96
    4. Kenny Mathews, Diamond Bar, 7-2, 2.30
    5. Michael Luna, Los Altos, 5-2, 2.38

    Add to this list, Reynoso, Charter Oak, Santiago, Charter Oak, Peralta, Walnut, Amhrein, Damien, Pedroza, Northview, Goodwin, Diamond Ranch, Guillen, Damien, Gonzales, Glendora, Cage, Glendora

  • Gonyard

    Fred, I know you have been provided info on players other than the Amats and Northviews of the world so why not verify the info and just give some credit to other elite players in the valley. The stats are there for all to see.

    Thanks,

    Gonyard

  • Joe Amat

    It kills me when people are on a blog and complain about the host of the blog providing “coverage”. One of the beauties of a blog is it give YOU a chance to provide that info. If YOU have access to info/stats/stories – share it. Then if it’s worth talking about you’ll see responses and conversation. If not it stands alone – but at least it got out there.

    Fred has provided the perfect avenue for ALL kids at ALL schools to get some publicity – it’s just YOUR opportunity to get that rolling.

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