After losing to Salesian again, Baldwin Park soccer coach Ricardo Mira brings up the age-old question: Should Public face Private schools in the playoffs?

“I’ve always had an issue with us playing private schools,” Baldwin Park soccer coach Ricardo Mira said after losing 2-1 in the semifinals to Salesian, and with it the Braves’ undefeated season. “The playing field won’t be even until something’s done. I’m probably going to do something about it because it’s unfair to my players who worked hard to become great players, and yet we face a team that selects great players. I’m not saying we would be CIF champs, but it’s unfair for us as public schools to play who we get and they get to select an all-star team. I know CIF stands for academics and integrity, but I’m still waiting for the integrity.”

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  • support our schools

    Coach Mira, I think you need to let it go – it makes you seem like a sore looser. You should focus on the success of your boys rather than blaming your loss on external issues. I was at the game yesterday – It was a great game. Your goalie played an amazing game! You should be commended for developing a great program. With more than 2000 students, it is no wonder how you built a strong program at the school with a large pool of students.

    Perhaps Coach Mira should have had a better strategy to beat Salesian. When Salesian played La Canada last week, La Canada’s coach was prepared and the strategy almost worked for him. I would be careful suggesting the loss is due to external factors. Your boys executed, but ask yourself if you executed……

  • randy

    You gotta be kidding me…..Salesian has what—-500 kids? and BR has what—-2000????? Same demos too….BP shoudla stuffed little ol Salesian into a bag and sent them packing….BP must want their CIF championship gift wrapped like my ol Diamond Ranch bros in football…..heart matters huh?

  • support our schools

    Coach Mira, I think you need to let it go – it makes you seem like a sore looser. You should focus on the success of your boys rather than blaming your loss on external issues. I was at the game yesterday – It was a great game. Your goalie played an amazing game! You should be commended for developing a great program. With more than 2000 students, it is no wonder how you built a strong program at the school with a large pool of students.

    Perhaps Coach Mira should have had a better strategy to beat Salesian. When Salesian played La Canada last week, La Canada’s coach was prepared and the strategy almost worked for him. I would be careful suggesting the loss is due to external factors. Your boys executed, but ask yourself if you executed……

  • LA Futbol

    Coach Mira,

    For lack of a better phrase…QUIT BITCHING! Honestly man, your team had a great season and the first thing you start saying after you lost is “it wasn’t fair that we had to play a private school?” That’s pathetic leadership! If you had won, would you be complaining?

    You play who you play. Salesian was the better team yesterday. I feel sorry for your players that they have a coach that makes excuses for why they lost. Hug your players, tell them they played a great season and should be proud of themselves. But please don’t start making ridiculous excuses for why they lost. It takes away from their outstanding accomplishment.

  • BRAVETOWN

    I BELIEVE WHAT COACH MIRA IS REFERRING TO IS THAT BP DOESNT HAND PICK THE KIDS THEY WANT TO COME TO THE SCHOOL. THEY GET THE KIDS THEY GET AND THATS IT. SALESIAN COULD GO OUT AND OFFER THIS KID AND THAT KID TO COME TO OUR SCHOOL BECAUSE OF THIS OR THAT. BASICALLY THEY HAVE A ALLSTAR TEAM OUT THERE. PROBABLY 2 ALLSTAR TEAMS AFTER SEEING THE NUMBER OF KIDS ON THAT TEAM. SALESIAN IS A GREAT SOCCER TEAM AND THEY HAVE A GREAT PROGRAM, SO MUCH RESPECT TO THEM FOR THAT. B.P. ALSO HAS A GREAT SOCCER TEAM AND GREAT PROGRAM. JUST 2 DIFFERENT ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM. I BELIEVE SALESIAN AND ANIMO LEADERSHIP WILL BE A GREAT FINALS. AS IT SHOULD BE FOR 2 SCHOOLS THAT CAN HANDPICK THE TALENT THEY HAVE. 2 GREAT CLUB TEAMS BATTLING FOR A CHAMPIONSHIP.

    GO BRAVES !!!!

  • Coaches Corner

    There’s no crying in SOCCER…..
    Get over it Coach.
    Your team lost 2-1 not 12-1.
    Sounds like you guys were right in it.
    I guess that’s how the ball bounces.

  • Soccer Rules

    Wow! Coach Mira called Salesian’s winning goal a “lucky” rebound then went on to accuse private schools of lacking integrity. Sounds like sour grapes and bitterness to me. Perhaps he should learn how to lose with grace like his star player Edgar Padilla. In the SGV Tribune article on the game, Padilla gave credit to Salesian for shutting him down and earning the victory.

    Coach Mira’s claims of an uneven playing field are not even backed up by the facts:
    1) Of the 14 teams that advanced to boys championship games this year, 10 are public schools!
    2) Of the 7 CIF champions in boys soccer in the 2009 season, 6 were public schools!

    If the private schools have such an unfair competitive advantage, why are the public schools dominating the playoffs??

    He should also learn a bit more about Salesian before he accuses the school of “selecting” an all-star team. Salesian is a Catholic school of 400 boys whose families make extraordinary sacrifices to send their sons to a faith-based school. Every family pays tuition (in addition to their taxes for the public school)and provides manpower service hours to the school. The vast majority of Salesian students would be attending Roosevelt, Garfield, South Gate, Jefferson, or Huntington Park – some of the state’s most troubled public schools. Does Mira fault parents for choosing a different option for their sons?

    The coaches don’t select the players. The parents select the school, then the coaches build a team. Coaches at private schools face the same challenges that coaches at public schools face. Mira denigrates his coaching colleagues at private schools by accusing them of a lack of integrity. The CIF closely monitors athletic eligibility at all schools. If Mira has specific evidence of abuse of the system by private schools, he should speak up rather than making a sweeping attack on the integrity of others in the wake of a tough loss.

    If Mira is so concerned with even playing fields, perhaps he should encourage the CIF to rethink just why HUGE public schools like Baldwin Park (3,500 students) are spread throughout 6 of the 7 boys soccer divisions! Is it fair for schools like Pasadena Poly (200 boys) to face Mountain View (1200 boys); Salesian (400 boys) to face Baldwin Park (1,700 boys)??

    Finally, about the “lucky” goal that won the game for Salesian. Mira states in the article that it was the same play that Salesian used to beat them in last year’s CIF championship game. In fact, it was one of the most basic plays in soccer – long throw in to the near post, flicked on to the back post for an opportunistic forward to finish! That doesn’t sound like luck to me, sounds like perfect execution of basic soccer.

    Congratulations to both teams for an excellent and entertaining game. Coach Mira’s ill-considered comments shouldn’t take anything away from the achievements of both teams.

  • grand chonk airball railroad

    looks like another chonker goine head’n in a different direction….dechonkugulation…na na

  • Tech Support

    To be fair to coach Mira I don’t believe he was attacking Salesian’s integrity but rather the integrity of the CIF for setting up a system in which public schools are expected to match up against private schools.

    I think, in the vast majority of cases, the “advantage” people claim that private schools have is overrated. Yes you have some schools that have long histories of athletic dominance in either one or more sports (MD, Amat, Notre Dame) but there are way more schools that resemble Salesian than Mater Dei. For the most part Salesian is a neighborhood school (the vast majority of the 400 boys live within 10 miles).

    Looking at most private schools you see the same up and downs that you see at public schools, schools having a few good years followed by down years. As the poster before stated it seems that public schools have done well in the playoffs against private schools in soccer. Is the bigger advantage the lack of geographical boundries Salesian has? Or the three to four time larger student body from which to draw talent that Baldwin Park has? To me, they kinda even out over the long run.

  • >>>

    The funny line is “I’m probably going to do something about it…”

    If you want to do something insist on moving up to Division 4, lets see how you do against Corona Del mar.

    Seriously, what is HE going to do about it???

  • >>>

    The funny line is “I’m probably going to do something about it…”

    If you want to do something insist on moving up to Division 4, lets see how you do against Corona Del mar.

    Seriously, what is HE going to do about it???

  • >>>

    The funny line is “I’m probably going to do something about it…”

    If you want to do something insist on moving up to Division 4, lets see how you do against Corona Del mar.

    Seriously, what is HE going to do about it???

  • soccer lvr

    I agree with the Coach. It doesnt matter that the majority of the kids live within 10 miles. Let’s look at this- what if the soccer athletes from Baldwin Park and Sierra Vista and Los Altos or any other district within 10 miles from Bishop Amat started recruiting these students offering free tuition? (I am only using BA as an example because I am from this area and dont really know other private schools) WHat would happen to the public schools withour their talent? I think this is what he is referring to above.

    Yes, Sierra Vista beat Alverno. Alverno is a smaller school and SV is a bigger school. Some of them also belong in clubs (at least 3 that I know of because they play in the same club as my daughter). I am sure they are able to offer scholarships to bring in already made talent (again I am only using Alverno because I know players from here). It has taken SV many years of hard work and dedication to bring up this strong team. It didnt happen overnight. Some private schools can offer scholarships to bring in talent. Again, I think this is what he is referring to.

    Just my opinion.

  • J

    COACH,COACH,COACH,COACH,,,,,, UMMMMMMM,,,, YOU LOST!! GET OVER IT,, YOU WERE OUT COACHED, AND TO GO AN BLAME THE SCHOOL FOR HAND PICKING THERE PLAYERS,,,, SO NEXT TIME DONT SHOW UP TO PLAY A PRIVATE SCHOOL,,,, OR BETTER YET, GO COACH AYSO,NO WAIT THEY STACK THERE TEAMS TOO. SO WHAT MESSAGE DOES THIS SEND TO YOUR PLAYERS WHO BUSTED THERE ASS OFF ALL SEASON FOR YOU.. DAM COACH, IM A WRESTLING FAN, AND YOU GOT ME HERE DEFENDING YOUR BOYS ON A SOCCER BLOG, GET OVER IT,,, MAYBE BP SHOULD LOOK FOR COACH WHO WILL NOT MAKE ANY EXCUSE FOR GETTING OUT COACHED.IM OUT

  • Brave for Life

    Now I’m a big BP fan and always will be, but come on Mira get a grip! You lost a soccer game. You praise your kids for their hard work in becoming great players but refuse to do the same for the Salesian kids? I’m sure those kids and that team have worked just as hard as us!

    Do schools seek great athletes to help their programs? Of course. But it happens at public and private schools! There are tons of intea-district transfers and uses of relatives’ addresses in public schools. It’s part of the system.

    In the end, it still takes a great coach, team chemistry, and some good fortune to win the BIG games. My guessis that the Braves will win a big game when the coach focuses moreon the game on the field and less on the politics off of it.

  • BRAVETOWN

    SO LETS PUT OUR 10 MILE RADIUS AROUND, LETS FORM A TEAM WITH THE BEST OF B.P., SIERRA VISTA, AND MOUNTAIN VIEW H.S. JUST TO NAME A FEW. THERE ARE L.P. AND ROSEMEAD AS WELL. NOW WE SOUND LIKE A PRIVATE CATHOLIC SCHOOL. DAMN WHAT A TEAM THAT WOULD B.

    GO BRAVES !!!!

  • Soccer Star

    Bravetown – You conveniently ignore the talent pool issue. Baldwin Park has over 1,700 boys to choose from in forming their soccer team! That talent pool is more than 4 times the size of Salesian’s!!!

    Also, don’t you wonder why parents choose to keep their kids out of the public schools and pay more money beyond their taxes to send their kids to a private school? Perhaps if the public schools offered safer campuses, stronger educations, and better athletic programs the “all star” players that you and Mira are whining about would stay at Roosevelt, BP, Mt. View, etc.!!!

  • Beckham

    If it’s so easy for private schools to put together “all star teams”:
    1) Why do the public schools have 22 of the 28 spots in the boys and girls championship games???
    2) Why did Amat, Bosco Tech, La Salle, Damien, Cantwell do so miserably?

    Mira complains about a lack of integrity resulting in inequity, but public schools took 80% of the finals spots! Just because his team lost to a private school doesn’t prove his point. It simply proves that on that day, Salesian ended up with more goals, fair and square. One of the few private schools to survive against the much bigger public schools!

  • BRAVETOWN

    OF THOSE 1700 STUDENTS, HOW MANY ARE ATHLETES? NOT MANY. THE ATHLETES AT THESE PRIVATE SCHOOLS GET THEIR TUITION WAVED IF THEY GO TO THAT SCHOOL, THATS NO SECRET. JUST LIKE COLLEGE RECRUITING. COME TO OUR SCHOOL BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER. A BETTER EDUCATION, “YES” ABSOLUTELY. THOSE 30 PLUS KIDS ON SALESIAN SOCCER TEAM ARE THEIR BECAUSE THATS THE SPORT THEY WERE RECRUITED TO GO AND PLAY. KIDS TRY OUT AT PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND SOME ARE AWFUL AND DONT MAKE THE TEAM AND ARE CUT. SAME DONT HAPPEN AT THESE PRIVATE SCHOOLS BECAUSE ALL ARE GREAT PLAYERS. NICE PROBLEM TO HAVE WOULDNT U SAY.

    GO BRAVES !!!!

  • FredJ

    I’ve always been in favor of having separate private and playoff brackets, then let the teams meet in the state playoffs later. But let’s be honest, if Baldwin Park were in Division 1 or 2 with the big Inland Empire and Orange County public schools, they would be wishing they were playing Salesian again in semifinals. Ask Sierra League champ Glendora, who had to play Riverside Poly in the second round, or Chino Hills, who drew one of the nation’s best teams, Santa Barbara, in the second round, both in D-2. I don’t think it’s a case of Baldwin Park being outclassed like a Harvard-Westlake was over South Hills in the boys basketball playoffs, that was an unwinnable situation. Baldwin Park could have easily won both games against Salesian, it wasn’t a one-sided affair by any means. What I’m trying to say is that being in Division 5 is a much more winnable division than being in a higher division with the top notch public schools.

  • >>>

    to Fred:

    BP and Salesian are Division 5 in soccer. IN Division 4 they would be facing Corona Del Mar, which is not “winnable” for BP or Salesian.

    I thought you were a soccer guy??? You appear to be as weak on your soccer facts as you are on your LVL/Windward Basketball facts!

  • >>>

    to Fred:

    BP and Salesian are Division 5 in soccer. IN Division 4 they would be facing Corona Del Mar, which is not “winnable” for BP or Salesian.

    I thought you were a soccer guy??? You appear to be as weak on your soccer facts as you are on your LVL/Windward Basketball facts!

  • >>>

    to Fred:

    BP and Salesian are Division 5 in soccer. IN Division 4 they would be facing Corona Del Mar, which is not “winnable” for BP or Salesian.

    I thought you were a soccer guy??? You appear to be as weak on your soccer facts as you are on your LVL/Windward Basketball facts!

  • J

    OK, PEOPLE IT’S VERY SIMPLE, THE BETTER TEAM WON THAT DAY, AND THAT’S IT, DONE, THATS ALL,

  • Braves of a feather flock together

    BRAVETOWN – you’re showing your ignorance with all the talk of “scholarships” selecting players, “they’re all great”. Gimme a break. It sure wasn’t a problem for Mt View, Sierra Vista and Sultana – who all beat private schools to get to the finals. You think schools give “soccer scholarships”?You’re as big a whiner as Mira!

  • Anon

    I can’t believe Coach Mira and his complaints. This is coming from a coach who for years has worked his way around the CIF rules himself. Before they lifted the “No Association” Rule in CIF last year (meaning coaches couldn’t coach or train their teams outside of the season), Coach Mira would take his entire program and incoming players to his Dad’s Soccer League so they could play together year round. Yes his Dad would “Coach” the team??? He has been recruiting and training his players year round in outside leagues to make his program better, before anyone else could legally do so per CIF. He bends the rules for his convienence!!! Come on Coach, get real!! Your team played good, but Salesian just played a little better!!

  • Soccer Rules

    >>> – You claim to be all knowing about the significance of divisions, but it doesn’t appear that you’ve done your homework.

    While it is true that most small school programs and perhaps most large schools in the lower divisions would have trouble competing with teams from higher divisions, Salesian and Animo have proven for years that they can play with the big boys.

    Take just this year into consideration: Animo beat Mater Dei and Long Beach Wilson, both Division I powers. Salesian beat Servite 1-0 and Norwalk the #4 seed in Division IV (and CIF Division IV quarterfinalists) 3-1 and lost to Division I semi-finalist Harvard-Westlake 1-2 on a 30 yard shot with 2 minutes to go (after leading 1-0 for much of the game!).

    In previous years, Animo won the loaded South Torrance Tournament, while Salesian has posted victories over Bell Gardens, Saddleback, and El Rancho.

    So don’t be so quick to dismiss Salesian and Animo. Although they play in Division V, they have proven their ability to play with any team.

  • kurmujin

    It is more a maatter of how leagues and divisions are structured than private or parochial vs public. In the playoffs, only eight schools are not public, actually seven since Harvard Westlake is in both boys and girls. And, I don’t know how to classify Califonia Academy of Math and Science (CAMS) or Malibu, since it might be either.

    If the major parochial schools want to play with the big public schools in Division 1 or 2, let them, that’s their choice. But allowing any of the rest of them to compete in anything lower than Division 3 is seriously questionable due to their abiilities to recruit.

    CIF and the sub groups that make up leagues have a role here, too. Enrollment must be a major
    component in making up leagues. Schools with 4000, 3000, 2000 or 1000 or more more students must be matched with others of similar numbers. Community cultures are also important. What are the demographics of the student bodies? At the division level, more concern should be directed at geography. Introducting sectional or regional area competition would reduce some of the ridiculous travel in first and second rounds of playoffs. Provisions could be made for schools wanting to compete in higher divisions, but not lower. You can move up, but never down.

    Over the years we have seen schools change leagues several times, leagues change, and even CIF itself. Wish I could say those changes always made sense, but they didn’t. The latest is an example. The most glaring are the moves of Claremont and Glendora. The latter is particularly egregious for the families and followers of Tartan sports, forced to fight traffic and distance to compete in the Baseline League. Meanwhile, Claremont gets hauled West into, what, the Sierra? How can they do that? Because we let them.

    So, life among the leagues, isn’t fair. Division dealings are questionable. And, private versus parochial is a never ending controversy. You are going to have to play with cards you are dealt. You better be good at it. Others at the table will be starting out with four of a kind.

  • wormseyeview

    Just so we’re clear, large school population does mean large “pool” to draw from, but it doesn’t me large “talent” pool. Just look around at some of the large schools in this valley.

  • wormseyeview

    Just so we’re clear, large school population does mean large “pool” to draw from, but it doesn’t me large “talent” pool. Just look around at some of the large schools in this valley.

  • LA Fan/Dad

    Bravetown;

    You couldn’t be more wrong about Salesian. This school is in a low income area. They do offer partial academic scholarships to some students who cannot pay the full fee, as far as full rides? I don’t know.

    As I said “academic”. They do not have the kind of money you think they have to give athletic rides. Sorry no way no how.

    I work in that area and have helped with the Ayso program there, its actually pretty good, and because of this many kids get picked up by club teams. I’m sure the kids that enroll at Salesian do so for many reasons, and those that go out for soccer, most likely have prior team experience. And once their they have a good coach that brings it all together.

    My nephew played soccer for them about 3 years ago, and only had some ayso experience. One thing I do know is becuase of the small school it is, all students are encourage to try out for sports no matter their level of experience, then they coaches do what they are supposed to do, “TEACH”.

    To come on here and assume that because it is a private school they have money to bring in players is just nonsense. If they did have money for it I’m sure it would go to Football and not to soccer.

  • PAID IN FULL !

    Yesterday I thought about writing about comments I’d read regarding “revenge” and “getting it done on their field” in light of comments Coach Johnson made last year to the Baldwin Park community. No matter what I wrote I was left with one thought….wait until the game is over, and I’d erase every comment. Last night I started reading the comments from Coach Mira and thought about the man the field they played on is named after, Brother Tom Keegan. And I bit my tongue. He was a “true” saint of a man and a “true” legend in all circles her on earth and up in the Big House, where it matters most.

    When I read the comments of the BP players I knew they understood and respected our “boys” so I decided to leave well enough alone. But then today I see even more comments on this blog and in the papers and I thought I’d share some insight considering my whole family has a long legacy at Salesian. Five of us played Football there, five of us played QB there, three of us played soccer and four of us actually “coached” at the school, my sister was Homecoming Queen, two brothers were Lettermen Presidents (at our schools that’s TOP DOG stuff) and my Dad was PTA President for years and Booster President for years as well, sometimes simultaneously. All in all we’ve made or mark there for better or worse and we love the school as so many do…all the way…warts and all.

    “Revenge” is a sign of weakness. Plain and simple. Los Altos and Bishop Amat learned a valuable lesson this year…respect the opponent in front of you, or else! Damien and Diamond Ranch had similar outcomes like Baldwin Park when they looked forward to meeting the team that beat them the year before. A 100 yard dash is run “thru the tape” …not “TO” the tape.

    You still will not read comments from Salesian bloggers saying anything but “good game” and “best of luck next year” because we know what it’s like to get beaten on for years and years and years when we were competing against the best teams in the nation. That’s right…IN THE NATION !!! Week in and week out, so much so that we thought EVERYONE did the same…boy was I surprised! Reading how often SGV Fish Bowlers complain about competition only makes me wonder how they can look themselves in the mirror.

    Notre Dame, Crespi, St. John Bosco, Banning, Carson, LB Poly, St. Anthony, Pius X, St. Francis, Servite, Blair, Pasadena, Verbum Dei, Bishop Amat, Loyola were monsters back in the 60′s and 70′s and we played them all from the day we opened our Salesian doors. So when I say a coach sux I know what I’m talking about. When I say a program is under achieving I know what I’m talking about. Having seen true powerhouse programs up close and personal it makes me wonder why anyone would begrudge Salesian’s success..on “ANY” level.

    Salesian is located in what Anderson Cooper calls ground zero in the war against gangs yet Salesian serves it’s community as it always has, from the heart and shoe strings of some of the poorest families in our city. My Dad put 8 kids thru private school on a second grade education working his body to the bone for a better life for us. So when I read comments about scholarships and recruiting it makes me angry considering what current parents must do in even tougher economic times. Yet they do…from 1st grade thru 12th…paying their dues…and to hear that nonsense…wow!

    This year Salesian played Rio Hondo Prep in the semis. The football game was violent, even by Salesian’s standards, and after the dust cleared some said it was the toughest game they’d ever witnessed while other’s said it was the dirtiest. ( Check Miigue;’s blog) When all was said and done an RHP coach said it was only because that division had never seen a team like Salesian’s that caused the game to be over officiated. Then he said in time Salesian would be a powerhouse that everyone in that division would have to deal with, because “they weren’t going away”.

    I hope these hurt feelings die down as quickly as they surfaced and Baldwin Park takes the position that Salesian took after losing a questionable game at Oaks Christian for a CIF title a few years back, they went on and won the first State Championship in California history…in other words we regrouped and refocused and have been on a tear ever since. We paid our dues, always have.

    This year, in spite of my differences with Coach Dunn, I told him..”You have a Championship team…take care of it”…I told him the same thing last year and two years before that when he had Riley and Griffin. Winning a Championship is like raising good kids…everything matters, leave nothing to chance, and never ever forget….one day at a time. Maybe Damien wins State…I certainly hope they do.

    Best of luck to all the teams that came close. Luckily for most of you you have the State Championships still ahead. Don’t waste time, get to work and by all means …have some class when you win…or lose.

    Salesian deserves their day in the sun…”we” paid the price. Maybe others should take notice. Play like a Champion means “ACT LIKE ONE” when the game is over. Congratulations to the Salesian Mustangs, Brother Tom would be proud and as always would simply say, “Way to go Lads!”

  • >>>

    Only compared them (Salesian and BP – mainly BP, since they want to play public schools) to CDM. There is nothing in either team’s results this year that IMO indicates they could beat CDM.

    Never mentioned Animo, so not sure why you went on and on about that school, in reference to something I posted.

  • >>>

    Only compared them (Salesian and BP – mainly BP, since they want to play public schools) to CDM. There is nothing in either team’s results this year that IMO indicates they could beat CDM.

    Never mentioned Animo, so not sure why you went on and on about that school, in reference to something I posted.

  • >>>

    Only compared them (Salesian and BP – mainly BP, since they want to play public schools) to CDM. There is nothing in either team’s results this year that IMO indicates they could beat CDM.

    Never mentioned Animo, so not sure why you went on and on about that school, in reference to something I posted.

  • BigDog

    Fred
    BP coach is just a poor looser.Only in America baby. Only the strong survive.

  • Prep Fan

    The reason the big public schools are playing smaller private schools in the playoffs is because that is where they are competetive with each other.

    Yes, you have to travel in CIF, yes you may have to play private schools or much larger public schools, but look at the scores of these games, they are competitive.

    The principals and AD’s have made it clear that there number one priority is competitive equity, travel and school size are considered, but secondary.

    Look, if leagues succeed in CIF, they move up, if they don’t, they move down. Leagues move every two years, it actually works. Baldwin Park and Sierra Vista are playing smaller private schools in the playoffs because their leagues have not fared better at higher levels against larger public schools.

    If schools like SV and BP were placed in playoff brackets based solely on enrollment, they would not sniff a championship game, is that really what they want?

  • I know…

    Mr. Prep Fan,

    Actually your incorrect, divisions in soccer rarely matter… BP could’ve been in the quarters, semis or even finals in other better divisions. Same goes with Salesian, BTW salesian does have a number of excellent players from one of the best clubs in the country (LAFC Chelsea). You never know what can happen in soccer, but as for the coach complaining. He should’ve never opened his mouth, it wasn’t a blowout game so it must have been a good one. Who knows depending on if whether Salesian wins the final BP could still be in the state playoffs. Last year they chose a semi-finalist to go on and compete in state….. GOOD LUCK to all!

  • Soccer Coach

    Baldwin Park was a good team, but I knew they were not going to win. Look at there schedule, and who they have played. BP played a bunch of weak teams throughout the season. I know a coach from the Valle Vista league that told me that B.P was not as strong as people think they are, and were overrated. They should not have been a number one seed team because they never played anybody throughout the season.

  • Prep Fan

    I am not saying that the current alignment means that BP or SV would not have had success in higher divisions this year. The top teams in most divisions in any sport usually can compete and sometimes win championships at higher levels. The system is designed to react to success, not predict it.

    But I stand by my comment that if divisions were based purely on enrollment, BP and SV would win playoff games, but not championships. There is a reason they are playing against smaller private schools in the playoffs, their leagues have not consistently found success at higher levels.

    People like to talk on here all the time about the demographics of their school and how that relates to success. The current system really is a proxy for that demographic argument and so much more. If a school has a systematic advantage or disadvantage, due to demographics, facilities, a quality (or lack thereof) coach, or for whatever other reason you can imagine, they rise or fall to the level where they are competitive based on the merits of their on field performance.

    CIF allowing the on field results to determine the level of competition seems eminently fair to me. If that means a large public school is playing competitive matches against a smaller private school, so be it. The competitive equity of the schools as shown in the quality of the matches across the board in all divisions speaks to the success of the process.

  • Soccer Stuff

    Prep Fan is right about the current system. In the 1990s, CIF structured the divisions based solely on school enrollment. There were a number of large public schools that NEVER won playoff games. In the early 2000s, CIF introduced the current system which introduces a measure of “league strength” into the divisional alignment process.

    There are a few problems with this system though:
    1) Ever since the realignment, large public schools have begun to dominate the results. With the exception of Animo and Salesian, Divisions 1 through 6 have been ruled by schools with enrollments between 1,500 and up. To address this issue, the CIF introduced a Division 7 two years ago. This division is comprised of only small public and private schools. Nevertheless, there are still small schools in divisions 5 and 6 that have struggled with the new format.

    2) The divisional alignments are based on “league strength” not individual team strength. So all teams in a given league must compete in the same division. If there is one really strong team in your league that succeeds at the CIF level, the whole league moves with that team to a higher division. As a results, some teams are totally mismatched in the playoffs. Just look at the lopsided results in the first rounds of the playoffs to see how this system creates inequities. For example, Animo is in the Harbor League in Division 5. While Animo belongs in D5, the other schools do not. The #2 and #3 teams from that league have gotten blown out in the first round or wild card round every year!

    CIF is considering a change to this system to mirror the basketball playoff process where individual teams from the same league can enter differrent playoff brackets.

    3) However, there is still another problem – the new SoCal Regional State Tournament. This tournament sets up divisions based on strict enrollment criteria. It only takes strength of schedule and results into consideration in the seeding of the divisional brackets.

    So, if CIF-SS goes with divisions that are not enrollment based, it creates a Southern Section system that does not match the CIF-State level system. As a result, a very strong small or medium sized Southern Section school could be knocked out of the Southern Section playoffs early by a LARGE school…and thus lose the chance to compete in the state tournament.

    The other CIF sections that feed into the state tournament (San Diego, LA City, and Central Section) use enrollment as the criteria in setting up their divisions.

    CIF-SS uses enrollment as the only criteria in cross country – which works fine. To be consistent with other sections and the state tournament and to avoid the possibility of the top SS teams not being able to represent the SS in the state tournament, CIF SS should return to enrollment based divisions.

  • frank

    You want to be the best, you got to beat the best!
    Stop Crying, If you had won you would of been bragging!

  • Running Supporter

    Cross Country works fine? Basically, the same schools go from CIF Prelims to CIF Finals each year. A propsoal was made and one league wouldn’t even support it to send to CIF and it said have AA and A divisions in each of the five cross country divisions that would give more schools an opportunity to compete, and yet the fastest 7 from the same division from a combined AA and A race would go to state. Everyone wins, including CIF that would get a lot more money and more students would have the opportunity to get to CIF Finals. The league wasn’t interested in supporting the proposal. Yet, how is it that some sports in the same league are in division 3 in one sport and in division 6 in other sports? The league teams in that one sport in division 3 lose lopsided games in the first round. It’s not easy. A solution is AA and A divisions in all sports like football (which basically already has with about 12 groups) and basketball and soccer.

  • De-Cleated

    From looking at the picture, not only did they beat you fair and square coach….THEY DID IT IN THEIR SOCKS!!!!!!! Quit crying! You were beat by the better team that day. Good job guys – congratulations should be one of the only things coming out of your mouth coach. Especially when talking to the press.

  • Salesian Mustangs Soccer Alumni

    De-cleated I appreciate your ummm “support” but Salesian doesn’t talk to opponents like that and would appreciate if you’d stop. As far as the “frank” comment, that’s clearly not the “frank” from Salesian we all know by now and who’s taken our Head Coach’s lead and encouraged every one from Salesian to extend nothing but “good game” and “good luck” sentiments to the Baldwin Park community.

    Baldwin Park was an outstanding team, this year and last. Despite the outcome in both games Salesian feels honored to have played a team that had Championship written all over them. The “beautiful game” was never more on display than when these two teams went at each other, last year in OT and this year 3-2. Clearly they were “evenly” matched.

    Today Salesian will play Animo and see if their “run” continues. Whatever the outcome Salesian knows Baldwin Park made them a better team. Best of luck Baldwin Park, hopefully we are “both” included in the State playoffs. Maybe as time goes on the Baldwin Park coach will see things differently and understand “our” private school doesn’t belong in that conversation considering how hard the school has fought to simply stay open.

    Aram was at the game. Aram how did the Salesian fans behave? Wasn’t it a beautiful field. Salesian has come a long way…let’s not ruin it with comments that don’t reflect our Pride, Honor and Mustang Spirit. As Brither Tom Keegan would say, “Come on lads!!!”

    Until we meet again….

  • Salesian WINS !!!

    Salesian wins again!! 3-2 over Animo. CIF Champions once again !!!

    Way to go Mustangs !!!

  • soccerman

    Correction:
    Salesian 3-0 Animo.
    I was at the game. Great game to watch on both ends.
    As for the BP v. Salesian game, no comment by coach nor anyone else can take anything away from the spectacular, hard fought, and “classic” game that was played by these teams. It was truly a championship game played ahead of schedule.

  • Wow Man

    Major props to Salesian. I was at the game today, and they really finished some beautiful goals in the second half. Animo is an awesome team, and Salesian just took the game to them.

    Maybe BP should have been in the final. After all the talking is over, in the end, one champion remains. Salesian, back to back.

  • Mustangs Capture Another CIF Championship !!!

    Back in the day Salesian had beautiful teams loaded with scorers and great play makers. We were lead by Coach Medel then UCLA’S Carif Zein the former coach at Pasadena City College for years. Actually a few of Fred’s family members played while me and my brother were part of the team. My brother was pretty good on defense and I stunk it up as a Goalie on the JV team, but I learned allot about coaching from the heart and had a blast playing my father game. Today I know everywhere former Salesian Soccer players are they are smiling because we finally have a field and because the boys are carrying on and exceeding what was built years ago. Coach Johnson really has the boys zeroed in and hopefully they can continue winning in the State Regionals.

    Let’s see that’s a Volleyball CIF Championship, Soccer Championships and and Semis in Football, all in the last year…. plus our always awesome X-Country team…not bad for a little school with less than 90 seniors!

    Funny what happens when you have a field of your own, a gym of your own and “die for you” coaches (Walker, Johnson Hiatt) who give more than they will ever receive. Salesian might never be Loyola but at least we never back down or hide from competition and can say we’ve played the best during our time there !!!

    S! A! S! A!…SALE!!
    S! I! S! I! …SIAN!!
    SALE!!! SIAN!!!

    SALESIAN ! SALESIAN!!!!

    FEELS GOOD TO SHOUT THAT OUT AGAIN!!!!

    How about them Mustangs!!!! I really hope Baldwin Park gets to continue playing because they were a handful for us or anyone else !

    It’s always a good day…to be a Mustang!!!!

  • Praise

    Salesian has clearly established itself as the dominant small school program in CIF. I expected Animo to win the game last night. After all, Animo had beaten Mater Dei earlier this year.

    Salesian has won four CIF championships in the last seven years! Throw in a state championship and a state runner-up finish in the first two years of that tournament!

    Looking at their records on maxpreps and socalsoccer.org, I see that they have also proven the ability to play with and beat top programs in other divisions – victories over Norwalk, Saddleback, El Rancho, El Camino Real, Servite, Sierra Vista, etc. over the years.

    Solid results for a small school program.

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