The football proposals are in: What we reported in January is true, the Sierra League is likely headed to the Inland Division if proposals stick

Inland Division (16 entries)
Three playoff entries each league except for Big 8

Baseline, Big Eight (4 entries), Citrus Belt, Sierra, Southwestern

Mid-Valley Division (12 entries, 4 at-large)
Only first and second place guaranteed

Almont, Mission Valley, Montview, Olympic, Rio Hondo, Valle Vista

Southeast Division (15 entries)
Del Rio (3 entries); Hacienda (4 entries); Pacific (4 entries); Suburban (4 entries)


Above: I guess since Charter Oak’s back-to-back Southeast championships came against a team that barely had a .500 record (Diamond Ranch), that’s justification for moving Chater Oak and the new Sierra League to Division II. That’s right CIF is essentially bumping Charter Oak and South Hills from Division VII to Division II, punishing all the other Sierra League teams with them.

The skinny: Coaches and administrators were sent the Divisional Realignment proposals that start in the fall, and what we reported in January is true, that the Sierra and Baseline League are moving to the powerful Inland Division, which is the equivalent of Division 2. That means South Hills, Charter Oak, and Damien from the Sierra, along with Glendora in the new Baseline League will compete with the Big 8, Citrus Belt and Southwestern League for championships. You can understand moving the Baseline up since they have absolutely dominated the Central Division the past few years, but how do you move up the Sierra League? Shouldn’t your league have to prove itself worthy first before justifying such a bump? One Sierra League team has been past the second round the past two years. One, Chino Hills in the semis!!! It makes absolutely no sense by CIF, you’re moving up a league to arguably the most difficult outside the Pac-5 that hasn’t done anything to warrant or deserve it. I’m not being a homer here, just tell me how you justify it? I’m starting to believe the rumors and whispers I’m always hearing that the powers at CIF really do have it in for the South Hills’ and Charter Oaks’, there is really no other way to explain it. As we also stated, Bishop Amat will remain in the Serra and Pac-5, and the Mid-Valley Division will still be the most winnable with the Almont, Mission Valley, Montview, Olympic, Rio Hondo and Valle Vista. The new Hacienda League will stay in the Southeast Division with the Pacific, Del Rio, Suburban, which is four-league Division that leaves West Covina, Diamond Ranch and Muir licking their chops.

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  • What fairness?

    Freddy, how about you support Mission Valley League girls basketball being moved down from Div. 2 (Arroyo) and Div. 3 (the others in the league)to Div. 5 or 6 so Rosemead, which has won 7 of past 9 league titles, yet doesn’t win a second round game, and the others in the league losing by very large margins in the first round would at least have a chance to win a game or two against more even competition?
    Who knows who at CIF that Mountain View keeps winning CIF soccer in Div. 6 and yet in girls basketball a team like Rosemead gets La Habra or Inglewood in the playoffs with no chance at all of winning?
    Either boys and girls basketball should be moved down three divisions or Mountain View should be moved up three divisions. We’re happy Mountain View won the titles in Div. 6. If it was fair with all sports in pretty much same divisions, at least the basketball teams wouldn’t get blasted in first round games.

  • CO Bro

    Phuck’em! Bring it on! Now we will find out where we stand. Next year is going to be very tough due to the loss of so many key players. But I guess that is what happens when you have a successful program. Can’t wait!

  • Norco

    CO Bro….

    Phuck’em! Bring it on!????? …wow…You have no idea what your little league just got put into…I suggest you just STFU come on bend over and take it like the b!tch your acting…now your playing with the big dog.

  • Just askin’

    “Charter Oak’s back-to-back Southeast championships came against a team that barely had a .500 record (Diamond Ranch)”

    Back-handed compliment there Fred! Are you diminishing the championship by saying the division was weak?

  • FredJ

    It is what it is, a championship. But lets be honest, it’s essentially the championship of the upper-division SGV. If Charter Oak and South Hills were in the central, that’s a fair leap from Div. 7 to Div. 5. But sending them to Div. 2. I just don’t see how you justify it. At the very least, Charter Oak and South Hills have proven in nonleague wins they can compete with teams in the Central, but the Inland is another animal entirely. What is going to happen is that the best teams in the Valley (traditionally), Amat, Charter Oak and South Hills, will likely be gone before thanksgiving, with the exception of maybe Amat. The Southeast won’t crown the top team in the SGV (outside of Amat of course), it will probably be crowning the Valley’s fourth-best team.

  • Just sayin’

    If an Amat person came on and made that comment it would start WWIII.
    Just interesting that is the Prep Editors view also.

  • ONE THING

    Well it’s about time is all I can say about this move. If you want to talk the talk then you’ve got to walk the walk. No more walks in the park to a CIF title. Personally I like CO Bros approach . It is time to test yourselves and see if you belong with the big boys or if you are just fooling yourselves into thinking you belong. SH will have a tough time and should have stayed in the old league and DR should have moved into the Sierra seeing as SH can’t get passed CO or DR anyways . Damien well them being in the Sierra is a farce . They have no business in a public school league as it is but what can you say . No guts no glory.

  • New York

    Freddy,

    Having CO play against the Baseline league is a throwback to the old Divison 6 of the 1990′s. Upland’s/Salter’s first title in 1995 was D6, having beaten CO in a first round tie breaker. Then Upland played Arroyo in the second round and I think they beat Chino in the semis. In the other bracket was Rancho Cucamonga from the Mt. Baldy League. I think Glendora, Damien and Upland were Baseline teams while Rancho C, Alta Loma (strong back then with Tim Nelson as coach) and Etiwanda were Mt. Baldy.

    Anyway, winning CIF should mean something. If a team is not in the Pac-5 and they make an annual trip to the finals, then they are probably in the wrong division, in my humble opinion. Maybe the CIF overshot on placing CO into a division with Corona Centennial, but they could not leave them in the SGV conference. Corona Centennial should play in a division with a bit more geographic coverage.

    I’m more interested in the logic behind South Hills’ realignment. They seemed well suited in the Southeast division.

  • New York

    Realignment into a tougher divison should benefit Damien’s football program, if their administration cooperates. They should be able to use their new status of playing in an upper division against the Corona/Norco teams as a recruiting tool. Pac-5 is still the best, but this new Inland division is no joke. Damien will need to recruit hard to beat those teams, but they may attract the talent because of their improved status. Moving into the Baseline like Glendora would have been even better.

  • FredJ

    New York, I agree they should move up, but not to D-2 yet…I think they need to prove they can win the Central before making the leap to the Inland. South Hills is even more confusing, they never won a D-7 title, they lost two years in a row to Diamond Ranch and now you’re saying lets move them to D-2? I just don’t get it.

  • Coaching

    Fred,

    I know you hate to say it but those rumors were South Hills, Charter Oak and Gano (Damien). The rest of the teams are collateral damage. Interesting how Gano thought he jumped out of the fire just in time, but to find out he jumped into it.

  • ae 1178

    I think most people not at SH or CO agree that both should be in Sierra League. So, that is considered a move up if SH & CO dont want to go. So since they are moving “up”, they should move “up” CIF divisions as well. So the Sierra should not be in the Southeast. So where do you put them? Regionally the Inland is the best place for them. Or an Orange County division. Or the PAC 5? Charter Oak has been wanting the big boys for awhile, so now here is the stage, time to put up or shut up. South Hills, on the hand, would rather have stayed with the little guys, but guess what, welcome to the big show. Personally, the top 4 football schools will be able to compete in the division, maybe not win, but compete.

    Here’s the reality. Their league will suck it up for 2 years, win maybe 1 or 2 games 9in 2 years, and then when it comes to realignment, they get put in different division. New York, you cant split up leagues, so yes, the whole league gets punished for SH & CO past success. And when it is shown they cant handle it, the league will be moved. Problem is, you cant put em back in same division they were in and regionally you’re limited where you can put them.

    In any event, most of the valley is looking forward to seeing them compete in tougher divisions for one reason or another (Like em or hate em).

  • Norco

    ae 1178 ….Same thing happened to the Baseline League when the Inland Divison was first created…In two years the Baseline League won ZERO playoffs games in the Inland Divison and was moved down where they dominated the last two years…now their back up with the big boys…Norco has Crenshaw #1 and then two Baseline league teams in Upland#2 & Etiwanda #3

  • New York

    ae 1178,

    You overlooked the option of the Central Division. That would have made a ton of sense for Charter Oak and the Sierra.

    As I mentioned earlier, if Damien’s administration cooperates then there is no reason they should not equip themselves to compete in the Inland Division.

  • whitey

    CO, you’ll have plenty of time to keep those D7 trophies polished and room in the trophy case too, cuz there will be no additions, welcome to the real world!

  • D-Mo

    How many students are enrolled at SH and CO? Just asking. There are so many other high schools in the area. Can’t be as many students as some of those schools out in the IE.

  • FredJ

    I’ll state what I said again, Charter Oak, South Hills and in all honesty Diamond Ranch should all be moving up, Diamond Ranch making the most sense since its sports are superior to South Hills and Charter Oak across the board over the last three years, but that’s an argument for another day. But lets be realistic, moving the Sierra and competing in the Central Division is a REASONABLE bump for South Hills and Charter Oak. It would mean they would have to beat top teams in the Inland and SGV, which would be a challenge. But bumping them to the Inland, that sounds like someone has a personal vendetta against these schools. In every situation you bump a league up or down based on the league’s history in the playoffs. For the past two years Baseline teams have beat Baseline teams for the championship in the Central, so it makes sense to bump the Baseline up. Like I said, the Sierra hasn’t been past the second round the last two years, so if you’re moving the Sierra up to the Inland based on Charter Oak’s D-7 titles, that’s absolutely ridiculous. I don’t think the Oaks Christians, Orange Lutherans, or anyone else jumped five divisions like this? You earn a bump up when you win, you earn relief when you don’t, you stay where you’re if you’re middle of the road, which is where the Sierra stood in the Central the past two years. If someone can give me a rationale explanation why this is happening, please do so???

  • WHAT’S ALL THE RUCKUS

    For a few seasons now we have been hearing by the SH and CO fans that they are far better than Amat and so forth in football and can beat Amat head to head. Well now is the time to prove it and back up all the talk. If it is true there should be no crying ,no calling foul , no calling CIF bullies. Just strap um up and get to playing . If you hang you hang if not then it’s a 3 season blood bath and you get dropped back to the cozy comforts of D-7 and all is well in the SGV. Better to move DR and WC as they would gladly accept the challenge as they have shown the past seasons.

  • Joe Amat

    Freddy,

    Oaks Christian is making the jump from D10 to D4 (6 divisions) and OLu moved to D1 after being bumped in the 1st round of the D6 playoffs – and won a CIF & a State title.

    CO Bro – that’s the attitude you have to take!

  • Joe Amat

    On another note, I think it’s interesting that it is “…It’s bad news for Charter Oak, Damien and South Hills…” that the Sierra is moving *up*
    yet “…Good news, though, for Bishop Amat…” that they are staying at the highest level possible.

    Puts things in perspective a bit, doesn’t it?

  • CO Bro

    Norco,
    My little tirade was not directed towards any team in the Inland Division, it was aimed at CIF! You don’t think I know what CO is up against? Hell I have been calling on Big Lou to schedule up for years now, well now he has not choice. As someone else said, we will see in a few years when the next realignment comes up where we will be placed. If we stay then we deserved to stay, it we are moved then we most likely will have deserved to be moved. I think we will be competitive in the Sierra League, if we make it to the playoffs next year that will be a good start. Now making it to the second round or past, well I will hold of on that until November.

  • BREAKING NEWS!!!!

    BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!

    Lou Farrar just retired!!!!

  • What Joe

    Joe Amat, how can you compare two private schools that clearly are as footballdriven as Mater Dei is basketball and football to Charter Oak and South Hills???

  • someguy

    just wondering if the serria teams havent been past the second round the last years are you not counting chino hills loosing in the semis this past season. so in 2 yrs in the central divsion they are in the semis once. just wondering

  • Anonymous

    This may be just me, but I seriously think Charter Oak barely stands a chance in playoffs this year. SERIOUSLY look at their schedule the past few years: the only good worthy teams getting recognition outside playoffs are rancho cucamonga, damien, and etiwanda. They wont be CREAMING EVERY SINGLE other team in league this year too. charter oaks league was a complete cupcake schedule when it came to football. any team except claremont and ayala are capable of winning the sierra league championship next year!

  • Coach Them Up

    Sorry but Fred you are the most bias news reporter I have ever seen. South Hills, Chart Oak and Damien (Gano) have been your three pet teams for years. You actually called CIF to complain about it. Talk about a neutral reporter, why is it that you feel these teams have to be on the top looking down, why can’t they now be on the bottom looking up. Now they cant get past the first round of the playoffs? What is so wrong with that?

    Why is it that your three great coaches have to win; well now we get to see how great these coaches really are? Now that they are playing against teams with similar talent.

    So Coach The Kids Up!!!!!!!!!!

  • Joe Amat

    What Joe,

    I can only speak for one of those private schools… but to answer your question…. You can’t. So don’t try. That’s kinda what we’ve been saying for years.

  • FredJ

    Coach them up, how would you know what I called to discuss, or what our conversation was, that was Aram having fun on the other side. This is about someone explaining the rationale for moving up a league that hasn’t showed that it warrants it using the criteria that CIF has set forth. Instead of saying Fred is bias and this and that, tell me why I’m wrong? Why is what I’m saying bias? I argued the same way when they moved Glendora from the Sierra to the Baseline, which I feel stronger about more than anything, because all three criteria were blatantly ignored in that situation too. I agreed with Rowland way back they should have had relief too.

  • BIOFREEZE

    Joe Amat

    Interesting the bad news comes to Bogan, Gano, Farrar? Goin to be interesting to see the magic tricks now! Maybe more recruiting like Amat! LOL

  • get a clue

    maybe they’re three great coaches cuz they won 13 championships building programs. It was an even playing field when they started their careers, but the great ones take it to the next level. Its too bad the ones trying to fill their shoes in the valley won’t get to unseat them head up, they’ll inherent vacant titles. to me thats weak.

  • seriously?

    did you just try to say maybe NOW Farrar, Bogan, and Gano will have to recruit – like Amat? Those three have accepted more transfer football players in their careers than Amat has in their entire history.LMFAO!

  • from out of bounds

    Fred,

    I like your reasoning, I think its right on the money, BUT

    Maybe just maybe cif got so tired of all the highly visible transfer crap (in many sports) with those 2 public schools that they just said basically go recruit as best you can now and compete against powers that dont need to recruit, that play with kids from their 3,000 plus enrollments.. Hmm that sounds reasonable to me. Ill bet there were many many complaints to CIF that the sgv never even heard of that and was a major basis for getting bumped.

    And on top of this Charter oak won cif in football and baseball within the last 3 years. And South hills just won in baseball not sure their last football title. Help me on this what CIFs has Diamond Ranch won in the last 3 years that you think they belong in the Sierra?

    I wish em both well, now lets see how good they really are and how good their coaches really are.

  • FredJ

    Out of bounds, what you said might have played into those decisions, that’s why I wanted an explanation, I was curious if all the bickering about South Hills, Charter Oak, etc, had influences on these decisions. When you use competitive equity, it states to use for all sports across the boards, not just the major sports and CIF titles, but also league titles, and where you finish in league. Diamond Ranch football went to two straight title games, their baseball went to a title game two years ago, then they are average or better in almost every other sport, like boys and girls basketball the past two years, boys and girls track, both soccer teams are solid, and the demographics are geography are more in line with Inland area schools as well. Having said that, I’m not pushing that Diamond Ranch should be shipped up or shipped out, I’m trying to understand the rationale of why it seems like you’re going after two or three schools in particular, making them do a gigantic leap in divisions like we’ve got an Oaks Christian in the Valley. I’m wondering why you move a Glendora to the baseline instead of a Chino Hills or Ayala when you look at demographics, enrollment, and competitive equity, Chino Hills and Ayala would have an edge over Glendora in all three, yet they’re the ones voted into the Baseline. If it’s being bias asking why, then I guess I’m bias.

  • AE 1178

    Yes
    I overlooked Central Division and it probably would have been a good fit. But, it does suck when a whole league is punished for the success of a few. Another example is the MT Baldy. Colony wins back to back CIF titles and they are moved up to the Central where they have no chance of competing with the baseline. Colony doesn’t even belong in that league, so they are punished for Colony success. Same happens with Oaks Christian league. You are placed in a division based off the success of your best team. Again, they will suck it up for 2 years and then probably get moved out. Like I said, most of the valley except Fred is happy to see Charter Oak, South Hills, and Damien get challenged. Diamond Ranch is another story. I agree DR should have been moved to Sierra as well, but when they finished fourth in all sports points in their league last year BEHIND CO, LA, and Bonita. What can you say? Did they dominate? In talking to an area coach, I asked who would you rather have in your league SH or DR. He said DR. He said even though they have slightly better athletes, you’re going to have a better chance to knock off DR if you lesser talent than you would knocking off SH with lesser talent. I agree and I think you can fill in the reasons.

  • AE 1178

    Yes
    I overlooked Central Division and it probably would have been a good fit. But, it does suck when a whole league is punished for the success of a few. Another example is the MT Baldy. Colony wins back to back CIF titles and they are moved up to the Central where they have no chance of competing with the baseline. Colony doesn’t even belong in that league, so they are punished for Colony success. Same happens with Oaks Christian league. You are placed in a division based off the success of your best team. Again, they will suck it up for 2 years and then probably get moved out. Like I said, most of the valley except Fred is happy to see Charter Oak, South Hills, and Damien get challenged. Diamond Ranch is another story. I agree DR should have been moved to Sierra as well, but when they finished fourth in all sports points in their league last year BEHIND CO, LA, and Bonita. What can you say? Did they dominate? In talking to an area coach, I asked who would you rather have in your league SH or DR. He said DR. He said even though they have slightly better athletes, you’re going to have a better chance to knock off DR if you lesser talent than you would knocking off SH with lesser talent. I agree and I think you can fill in the reasons.

  • AE 1178

    Yes
    I overlooked Central Division and it probably would have been a good fit. But, it does suck when a whole league is punished for the success of a few. Another example is the MT Baldy. Colony wins back to back CIF titles and they are moved up to the Central where they have no chance of competing with the baseline. Colony doesn’t even belong in that league, so they are punished for Colony success. Same happens with Oaks Christian league. You are placed in a division based off the success of your best team. Again, they will suck it up for 2 years and then probably get moved out. Like I said, most of the valley except Fred is happy to see Charter Oak, South Hills, and Damien get challenged. Diamond Ranch is another story. I agree DR should have been moved to Sierra as well, but when they finished fourth in all sports points in their league last year BEHIND CO, LA, and Bonita. What can you say? Did they dominate? In talking to an area coach, I asked who would you rather have in your league SH or DR. He said DR. He said even though they have slightly better athletes, you’re going to have a better chance to knock off DR if you lesser talent than you would knocking off SH with lesser talent. I agree and I think you can fill in the reasons.

  • New York

    AE 1178,

    I thought Colony’s two CIF titles actually were in the Central Division, BUT that was prior to the Baseline getting dropped into the Central from the Inland two/three years ago.

    Are suggesting that this divisional realignment is a bit of a referendum on Diamond Ranch’s ability to win the big one? You can’t knock their willingness to go toe-to-toe with anyone.

  • Joe Amat

    I thought throughout the process that Damien was the best candidate for the Baseline League. A little further east and easier access to the 210 FWY. As a private school families are more apt to accept travel – and many may even come form those very communities in which they’d play. It also would have been a step up – which, as a private school, they should be prepared for. I felt it would be a good median between where they’re at and being shipped to a Parochial Area league (which CIF was threatened with a lawsuit if it happened).

    That being said, it doesn’t effect this divisional alignment at all. As far as all that’s concerned, I like 5 or 6 team leagues, more leagues per division, and wild-card options. Large leagues and Championships of only leagues in a relatively small geographic area water down the accomplishment a bit. I’m not a big fan of geography as a criteria. Give me competitive equity regardless of region and that is a championship.

  • big daddy

    south hills is goin to take the title this year n bishop is gonn suck

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