Santa Margarita football under investigation by CIF-Southern Section, the O.C. Register reports

What’s interesting about this O.C. Register story is that it talks about the eligibility of a player who transferred from St. Margaret’s to Santa Margarita, where coach Harry Welch is now the coach after leaving St. Margaret’s for Santa Margarita. There’s more to it, they’re talking about an entire 2010 football playoffs being taken away, but it sort of mirrors whats going on at Pomona doesn’t it?

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  • Having Fun Watching….

    You think Pomona is keeping updated on this one?

    I think the major difference is Pomona is using the change of residents, if legit is acceptable.

  • Sure Does!!

    Pomona can act like it’s all good, but CIF problems are looming!! This isn’t going away Weeney!!!

  • Pac 5 Football fan

    Harry Welch already up to no good at Santa Margarita. This is a good coach no doubt about it but he like lots of coaches that are successful need to win by loading up on talented players with recruiting. He got caught finally. At Canyon Country he did the same thing ripping of kids that should have gone to Valencia, Hart or Saugus H.S. ..It is amazing how he went to St. Margarets and ran off a few championships, now he is stealing St. Margaret kids to go to Santa Margarita. This is the Pac 5 division 1 that Rancho Santa Margarita plays in and Harry as good as coach that he is, can really recruit as well. Shame if he got caught before he could bring the Eagles back to some form of respectabiliy.

  • way2much

    I,already said it Pomona is going to get it. the thing with Pomona is that the addresses are FAKE AND THEY WERE HOOK UP BY MR.WEENEY. Do I need to put the addresses on the blog so you can go and investigate your self.Pomona is going to set their selves up for the biggest SANCTION IN THE HISTORY OF CIF.The AD, the ASS Princ,the Dean of students and the Head Principle knows what is going on. They are all helping in this matter.

  • Mr. Sweeney

    way2much,

    You have no proof!

  • youareachild

    First know something about the man and what he has accomplished before you put crap on the internet about him.

    He his a MAN AMOUNG BOYS, youtube his championship vs the man Ladoucer when they whipped DeLa Salle, no recruitting there.

    Second of all Youtube the year he won the state and section title at St Margarets, played against better talent.

    You are a boy to make comments you know nothing about no one in this valley can talk a word or should post about this man and his success.

    From his own admission he doesnt need to recruit, kids following him no doubt, an outspoken in your face winner nodoubt, but he will beat anyone with what shows up.

    Its the truth and the simplicity in the truth that wins.

    Should call yourself Pac5 football infant or just Pac5 football parent.

    Oh by the way get used to reading the name, he will win the next few Pac5 titles.

  • (SDFL coach)

    mr.sweeney,
    If you need another address its gonna cost$$$ if you dont wanna pay Ill call CIF myself becus r using my address!

  • way2much

    Proof about what? You are going to come on here and say that the address that you hooked up for Kough is legit. The proof is going to that house and knocking on the door and seeing a black family lives there and Kough is Caucasian. Then I expect CIF to receive a phone call from Pomona wanting to launch an investigation to clear their name of any wrong doing. Thank you very much MR. Weeney.

  • Don

    You don’t really think that RSM paid Harry all that dough without expecting him to bring a little help along did you.

  • Baseball NUT!

    What is sad is that what happened SHOULD NOT be a rule violation but it is!

    Coach Welch held a “Open House” for youth coaches and players on March 31. Isn’ that the idea for private schools? Come one come all!

    CIF considers the matter closed and the sanctions came down from the school

  • Baseball NUT!

    What is sad is that what happened SHOULD NOT be a rule violation but it is!

    Coach Welch held a “Open House” for youth coaches and players on March 31. Isn’ that the idea for private schools? Come one come all!

    CIF considers the matter closed and the sanctions came down from the school

  • GHigh

    Who are these people losing it about Pomona football? If parents are going to start sending their kids to THEIR school of residence then coaches in Pomona are all for it. For too many years we have watched many of our best players go to Bonita, Claremont, San Dimas, etc. Imagine over the years if all of Pomona’s athletes stayed in house. Many schools probably wouldn’t have had CIF championships, so the valley should be thanking us. Now that a successful coach joins the area people start screaming foul! Well why don’t we start looking at residences of students who have left PUSD?
    When we succeed, we have cheated. When we fail, it’s what is expected from a low income area. Let’s stop the hate and see what happens. Truth is that when a good coach and teacher runs a program success follows (no matter where they are working), that is what all of you are afraid of.

  • LANCER 4 LIFE

    Welch has been cheating for 25+years, at Atascadero,Caynon Country he hired refs that were in his pocket for many games. I’m not surprised!

  • Joe Amat

    It’s legal for the Principal to invite ALL students to an open house. It’s illegal for a coach to invite players. Semantics – but it makes sure the Principal is in the know and approves.

  • jcaz

    I know that allot of people enjoy taking shots at folks without having all the facts. Often I hear bloggers come in here and say to someone, “if you dont know what youre talking about, or if you dont have all the facts, then do yourself a favor and shut up.”

    Well, for what its worth, Ive known Coach Welch personally fro many years, and maybe because of that fact, I myself am very prejudiced in my point of view, when it comes to people throwing around a lot of stuff. Especially without any proof.

    First of all, Coach Welch never took or recruited a player that lived in the attendance boundaries of either Valencia, Hart or Saugus. And the reason for that, was because there was an understanding that existed between all the area coaches at that time (including Harrington at Hart), that that sort of stuff wasnt going to happen in their area. Everyone respected that and because of that understanding it just didnt happen.

    Also the accusation that he somehow hired referees and paid them off, is so far out there that it needs no comment from me.

    However, I will say that there were more than a few instances when a good player would move into the area from outside of that neighborhood in order to play at Canyon. Now you can make the argument that there was some recruiting going on there, but like the blogger below me said, he was such a good coach that talent just followed him.

    Oh and BTW, before we talk about recruiting, let me remind you of one small yet interesting fact here. That the star quarterback at Notre Dame high school, actually attended Canyon during his freshman year. He was suppose to have played at that school as their starting quarterback, however, after coach Welch left Canyon, this kid was recruited to play at Notre Dame. Maybe youve heard of this kid. ? Went by the name of Kasdorf. Hum.

    Anyway, no investigation there when that kid lived only a few blocks away from Canyon, and had to commute every day to Sherman Oaks. How funny.

    Oh BTW, I will say one thing here, and that is that maybe coach Welch has a far bigger ego than maybe he should have, but for what its worth, he is one hell of a good football coach.

    Hell do very well over in his new school and dont be surprised to see those kids playing for a state championship in the not to distant future. Coach Welch is the only coach to have brought two different programs the state games and to have won both times.

  • BaseballNUT!

    Jcaz,

    Question:

    How can a kid be “recruited” by a private school with NO boundries? The QB who left Canyon to ND.

    Amat getting transfers, Santa Margarita in trouble, ND getting transfers. I’m sure Servite now with a ring, has kids flocking to transfer. Heck Mater Dei’s BEST baseball player lives in Corona area, and when was the last time a Monarch QB lived in Santa Ana?. I live in Via Verde and in our little area I see Mater Dei softball stickers on a few cars. Doesn’t mean anything but it could.

    I was a Amat grad long ago and some of our best players EVER came from 10-20 miles away. Four of us came from Diamond Bar alone, and a few in the late 80′s came from the Pasadena/Altadena areas. Not exactly walking distance.

    NOW if the so called “studs” from TESORO suddenly transfer in to RSM, then we have a problem!

    This is why we will ALWAYS have the public vs private debate.

  • Baseball NUT!

    As I sit here in my office having my coffee, waiting for my first delivery to head out, I began to think about ALL this recruit stuff going on.
    FAIR or UNFAIR Private schools have a advantage vs public schools. It used to be education, and I know I got a EXCELLENT one from AMAT. However now athletics have taken over parents thinking, hoping for a “ticket” to a DIV I school, and I really do not see a problem.

    As a kid I never paid much attention and just wanted to go a school where alot of my friends went. It just happened to have a good football program which helped. I lived off Amar road across the street from Torch jr high actually. My family moved to Diamond Bar in 77, and when it came to go to HS in 79 I asked to go to Amat. DB high was not open.

    Anyway if we jut look at the BASEBALL rankings for CALIF. alone we see SIX of the TOP EIGHT in state are private schools. Three of the TOP 5 final rankings for football are private.
    The problem is it is VERY difficult to prove going to a prvate school for athletic purposes, compared to a public school. Thus the problem for the Canada brothers, even though they legally moved into the area. Without boundries, AND having to pay for school makes it easier for a kid to so call “transfer” in to a private school. If we realy think about it what is the percentage of kids these days getting a “waiver” to attend a private either without paying, having deferred payments or payments cut in half especially in this economy. This does happen and it happened when I was in school. How many kids on Mater Dei’s basketball program are actually catholic? You think EVERY kid is catholic at Notre Dame, or Boston College? Or are all those kids morman at BYU?

    I think having AMAT in our area helps everyone. Weather its true or not many think that is the school to attend for sports. Heck Look at next weeks game Bishop Amat vs South Hills baseball. TWO programs that people love to hate. WHY? Becuse thier good. I guarantee that game next week could fill Cal St Fullerton, because of the hype. People will flock to see the game.

    Recruit is a strange word especially when it comes to schools with no boundries. Do kids transfer in to play sports, or follow a solid winning program or coach? Hell yes, and whats wrong with that? I honestly think the ones that complain are the kids or parents who attend or graduated from schools with no winning programs. I want AMAT to succeed in sports. Same goes for for South Hills, Charter Oak, Glendora baseball, Bonita baseball, Luthern hoops, and on and on. Having champions in the SGV is great for us, and lets the OC, IE, and Valley know that we can compete.

    Bottom line is let kids go to where they want. Fair or not, as we only get to High School once!

  • SpellingBee

    Hey GHigh and Pomona… it isn’t about your coaching that drives the kids off…it’s the academic environment…there isn’t one. Any parent in their right mind would get their kids out of Pomona schools and put them ANYWHERE else. No one goes to Pomona schools because the academic environment/education is good. Sorry, the truth hurts. Take it up with your administrators.

  • I wonder

    All this transfer business has got me thinking. As a graduate of Amat, I know that you are required to take 4 years of religion to graduate. So how can Amat accept senior public school transfers and allow them to graduate without the meeting the religion requirements? I do not want to start a debate just wondering how they do it. When I was at Amat senior transfers where unheard of.

  • Go with Private…

    @Baseball Nut

    Yes. Yes, you did get “a excellent” education at Amat.

  • Educated

    Way2much,
    Why are you so bitter about PHS? You sound like a hurt little kid. Like when you were 6 and your best friend told you he wasn’t your friend anymore because you wouldn’t let him play with your big wheel. C’mon dude relax. Wheeney this and wheeney that. “BIGGEST SANCTIONS IN THE HISTORY OF CIF” Puting minors names on the blog. Call CIF yourself. Handle it Coward! Remember this, when you call CIF you won’t be able to hide behind this blog. That uneducated and unprofessional mind set you have will be exposed. You must be an outsider or someone who can’t get over the big wheel thing. If you were a Pomona person you would be excited about Pomona Football. Sit back relax and enjoy life. Things can’t be that bad.

  • Race Card

    And of course G High uses the race card to try to makes sense of his senseless argument. You are correct players who live in the area should stay. However, these guys don’t live in the area. So you are contradicting yourself. It is cheating then isn’t it? I agree with you on one point G High let’s investigate everyone.
    Starting with Pomona.

  • GHigh

    Since when does “low income” insinuate race? That is the racist statement Mr. Race Card? As far as this coming from an educational standpoint, well we might not have the highest test scores, but we regularly send students to Ivy League schools. How does this happen? Great teachers and coaches in PUSD who care about the kids of all races.

    I live in Pomona, teach in Pomona, and if I had kids I would send them to our schools because I know we have teachers that care. Schools in other areas promise our athletes a lot, but many come back because they realize they are being used.

    The point is that coaches in PUSD know that we have lost many players over the years to schools in the surrounding area (public and private), but we don’t cry about those schools being investigated. We move on and do the best with the athletes we have. Now one coach comes in and people are screaming “don’t let a school in Pomona succeed! If they do then we won’t get their athletes anymore!.”

    If someone cheats please report it when it has been proven. Otherwise stop acting holier than though and making all sorts of ridiculous insinuations.

  • way2much

    Educated and G HIGH,
    I just might be bitter. I have been told this by many people. Pomona is in good hands. Rice will do a good job of keeping Pomona in the middle of the pack.This is not about Rice but the Pomona high Administrators.I did call CIF know hiding here. Spoke with Mr.Wigod. He gave me some information and I know for a fact that those transfers will not be playing come season. If you go back and look at some of my old post then you will realize that I have a lot of info on the situation. CIF was very helpful.I hear you G HIGH but can you list the names of the so called best players that left Pomona High. I am always hearing about Pomona and the best kids going to other schools. What happens when they get there they don’t do nothing so you are right Pomona will never complain about kids leaving. You must be talking about kids coming out of the 8th grade. I don’t know. The problem we have here is a rule set up by CIF. According to CIF-SS Rule 510 E, “a student at any grade level who transfers to a new school within one calendar year of the relocation of his/her high school coach to that school with or without a corresponding change in residence shall be considered prima facie evidence (“sufficient evidence”) of undue influence/recruiting by the school to which the student transfers or may be considered prima facie evidence … that the student enrolled in that school in whole or in part for athletic reasons.” This is what we are talking about . Pomona can get thirty transfers and know one would have said NOTHING. That is why we are not talking about the Diamond Ranch kids who have come over or even the Claremont kid who comes over after school and works out with Pomona right now.How can the Administratoes not look into this rule.

  • way2much

    Educated and G HIGH,
    I just might be bitter. I have been told this by many people. Pomona is in good hands. Rice will do a good job of keeping Pomona in the middle of the pack.This is not about Rice but the Pomona high Administrators.I did call CIF know hiding here. Spoke with Mr.Wigod. He gave me some information and I know for a fact that those transfers will not be playing come season. If you go back and look at some of my old post then you will realize that I have a lot of info on the situation. CIF was very helpful.I hear you G HIGH but can you list the names of the so called best players that left Pomona High. I am always hearing about Pomona and the best kids going to other schools. What happens when they get there they don’t do nothing so you are right Pomona will never complain about kids leaving. You must be talking about kids coming out of the 8th grade. I don’t know. The problem we have here is a rule set up by CIF. According to CIF-SS Rule 510 E, “a student at any grade level who transfers to a new school within one calendar year of the relocation of his/her high school coach to that school with or without a corresponding change in residence shall be considered prima facie evidence (“sufficient evidence”) of undue influence/recruiting by the school to which the student transfers or may be considered prima facie evidence … that the student enrolled in that school in whole or in part for athletic reasons.” This is what we are talking about . Pomona can get thirty transfers and know one would have said NOTHING. That is why we are not talking about the Diamond Ranch kids who have come over or even the Claremont kid who comes over after school and works out with Pomona right now.How can the Administratoes not look into this rule.

  • GHigh

    I understand your frustration Way2Much, and maybe the Pomona Admin. just figures if everyone is taking the players in residence then why can’t we have some influence. I don’t personally know of any rules being broken at Pomona, but I taught in Pomona middle schools for eleven years and I witnessed coaches from outside PUSD come to our flag football games and recruit our players in the open. I could write a list of probably twenty names, but I’m not here to call any programs or coaches out. I just can’t believe all of the attention about two players when their has been undue influence on our players for over thirty years and noone has said anything. As usual, if the news is about a Pomona school the spin is turned around to make us look bad.

  • this is all because…

    this is not about these two kids, it is about Rice’s total disregard for rules of any kind. It is one thing to pick up a kid here or there, but Rice has tried to get atleast 10-15 colony kids to follow him. He knows it and so does all of colony’s staff. They say a team takes on the personality of it’s coach. Well unfortunately that is true in this situation. Rice acts like he can do or say whatever he wants and many of his athletes have felt the same way, so they run their mouths about there big plans and how coach rice has taught them and their parents how to cheat the system. And way 2 much, nothing new happening at Pomona, Rice always had kids at spring and summer classes that were not enrolled at colony. The sad thing is that everyone at colony knew that was going on and the kids would all talk about the knew recruiting class all the time. What great role models!

  • way2much

    G HIGH,

    No disrespect, but how can you work in the district and allow this to happen in front you? I blame you for some of those kids leaving. ” I just can’t believe all of the attention about two players when their has been undue influence on our players for over thirty years and noone has said anything”. Those are your words. You could have said something. “I taught in Pomona middle schools for eleven years and I witnessed coaches from outside PUSD come to our flag football games and recruit our players in the open”. Your words again. I think you know what I am trying to say. NEXT TIME DO SOMETHING!!

  • GHigh

    Your right, Way2Much, maybe I should have done something. At the time I was a middle school beginning teacher who didn’t even know these coaches were breaking the rules. Still, these things are hard to prove and usually, especially with middle school kids, we are told to let them go.
    The more I think about it, the more I think Fred is probably right. Let players go play wherever they want. Coaches who do the right thing will eventually be rewarded, while unethical people are often their own worst enemies.

  • hey fred

    Fred,
    i am a little confused why you are reporting on a school in Orange County and why you somehow tied into Pomona, wow way two different places and circumstances. How are they in common. More importantly what does Santa Margarita have to do with Pomona or the SGV. Personally I think you just like fanning the flames, I heard the national enquirer needs a writer.

  • way 2 much nonsense

    hey way 2 not, why is it that you sound like either a disgruntled pomona employee or maybe a local coach or maybe even a new coach at colony. Whatever it is you sound absolutely absurd when you talk about the calles you have made and the clout you feel you possess to have. As a reader I would think that maybe you had some sort of credibilty if it werent for your degrading accusations and the fact that you would name a kid on this website who has nothing to do with your selfish petty reasons to argue this point. Dont you have a job, you are on this blog more than fred himself. man up and out yourself, this way maybe your threats would be taken seriously, until then you are a no one who know’s nothing except for self pitty and accusations that somehow make you feel better about your own crappy life. NOW THATS THE TRUTH, GET BACK TO WORK

  • An Observer

    I agree with the last post. Mr. Way 2 Much, you obviously have way 2 much time on your hands. It is painstakingly obvious that you have a personal vendetta against Rice. You really need to get over it, seriously, before someone finds you slumped over your computer because your heart gave out over such nonsense. Then two things will happen: 1. Your cover will be blown. 2. Youll see, albeit too late, that this really isnt worth it. The sad part is that you may have garnered the support of others if you took a professional approach to all of this. However, your tirades and rants only leave you looking like an obsessed fool! There must be something positive that you can do with your time. Stop hating on Rice. Is it jealousy? Envy? Resentment? Unless you & he are joined at the hip and youve seen all, heard all, and participated in all of his daily transactions, you have no room to judge or hurl off unsubstantiated accusations. If you have a personal problem with Rice, then you need to man-up and approach him personally. Since you know so much, Im sure you know how to contact him if you wanted to. Or are you someone who smiles in his face everyday? The bottom line is that Rice is trying to help these young men. If you spoke to enough of the right people youd know that. Weve all seen media coverage of breaking stories in neighborhoods. Why is it that, even though there may be a dozen well groomed, well spoken people on that street, they always interview the one idiot that couldnt wait to get in the spotlight. Thats you isnt it? Trying to have the spotlight on you and your so-called inside information. The sad part for us is that theres no camera-man to pan you out of the picture. You sincerely need to get on your knees and pray that the Lord delivers you from this obsession that even a blind man can see that you have. If you were wise youd know that the battle is not yours anyway. Enough is enough!!!

  • An Observer

    I agree with the last post. Mr. Way 2 Much, you obviously have way 2 much time on your hands. It is painstakingly obvious that you have a personal vendetta against Rice. You really need to get over it, seriously, before someone finds you slumped over your computer because your heart gave out over such nonsense. Then two things will happen: 1. Your cover will be blown. 2. Youll see, albeit too late, that this really isnt worth it. The sad part is that you may have garnered the support of others if you took a professional approach to all of this. However, your tirades and rants only leave you looking like an obsessed fool! There must be something positive that you can do with your time. Stop hating on Rice. Is it jealousy? Envy? Resentment? Unless you & he are joined at the hip and youve seen all, heard all, and participated in all of his daily transactions, you have no room to judge or hurl off unsubstantiated accusations. If you have a personal problem with Rice, then you really do need to man-up and approach him personally. Since you know so much, Im sure you know how to contact him if you wanted to. Or are you someone who smiles in his face everyday? The bottom line is that Rice is trying to help these young men. If you spoke to enough of the right people youd know that. Weve all seen media coverage of breaking stories in neighborhoods. Why is it that, even though there may be a dozen well groomed, well spoken people on that street, they always interview the one idiot that couldnt wait to get in the spotlight. Thats you isnt it? Trying to have the spotlight on you and your so-called inside information. The unhappy part for us observers is that theres no camera-man to pan you out of the picture. You sincerely need to get on your knees and pray that the Lord delivers you from this obsession that even a blind man can see that you have. If you were wise youd know that the battle is not yours anyway. Enough is enough!!!

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