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Straw Man...I have tried to lead you into the light but alas have failed so the time has come for the Master to cut the cord to the grasshopper. In parting, I leave you with this quote to ponder..."To be ignorant of one's ignorance is the malady of the ignorant (Amos Bronson Alcott)."

Point two:

CO is a very good academic school.

Not according to the school's own data (which I provided)

17% procifiency in math while the state average is more than twice that high at 40% in 06 and exactly double in 08 at CO 21% and the state at 42%.

Now "very good" might mean better than average wouldn't you agree?

Point two:

CO is a very good academic school.

Not according to the school's own data (which I provided)

17% procifiency in math while the state average is more than twice that high at 40% in 06 and exactly double in 08 at CO 21% and the state at 42%.

Now "very good" might mean better than average wouldn't you agree?

COCF

Point out your "original" contradictory sentences that constitute the "original" oxymoron you speak of.

I'll go point by miserable point with your outlandish stupidity.

and to answer "KIng Cockroach" Himself here's a tidbit on Amat's "Weak" 0 opponent http://tinyurl.com/y5qkhy9
Wonder why Sondheimer isn't writing about Gardena or University?

to conclude this discussion that has been WAY sidetracked since this debate started when someone wrote about Bishop Amat having, " the ability to recruit any kid in the valley they want with scholarships to pay for the education." we at least have established that it appears to be just as easy for CO to bring in players from all over the valley (and further if you count the Star-News area)and give them a free education. The only point was that private and public schools are on equal footing in that regard. The success of Los Altos, CO, and South Hills in the past decade has relied on that.

Straw Man...it is OxiClean and I've used the product for like the past 10 years to get stains out of baseball pants. I have a box on the shelf and it says OxiClean. The big question is how come any imbecile with the Internet can find 100's of links with the OxiClean spelling including You Tube video of Billy Mays (RIP) pitching the stuff, yet you can't?

And I never said oxymoron includes a comparison of two different contradictory sentences...just more of your sub-literate reading skills at work. I said "two-word combinations but also includes contradictory sentences"...the "s" on the end of words “combinations” and “sentences” is the pleural form of the words…now go look up what that means and then get back to me after which I’ll give you another grade…

Santiago isn’t going anywhere…just another baseless rumor.

According to a top notch source, Travis Santiago is going to finish off the year at CO then will transfer to Sierra Vista where his mom teaches. Can it be true!

See my less than truthful friend that doesn't hold water, any of it.

Billy Mays was the OXYCLEAN so maybe your oxi clean comment is again WRONG.

As far as "YOUR" description of what constitutes and OXYMORON once again that dog don't hunt. When the sentence is "COCF knows what he's talking about" that's not an oxymoron. Not n this life or in the vivid imagination of a child. Any oxymoron has a foundation reality that NAY reader can clearly see. The result of your answer is bogus and contrived to the point of being absurd in its application.

As far as the link again you betray yourself to an imaginary set of rules. I did search "your" exact phrase and it did come back as only to "hits" one written exactly as you wrote , simple buffoonery.

Two contradictory sentences was your premise as a defense for the misapplication of the oxymoron yet you give one sentence which no read could apply the oxymoron principles to. wrong again.

The product is named "OxiClean" not Oxy Clean. And I missed the connection because it is used in a washing machine and not in the shower. Grasshopper, I'll give you a "B" for effort but a "D-" for execution...keep up the good work.

And with thousands of other "hard" words, the definition of oxymoron resides in my brain so there wasn't any need to look up some Internet link.

And the oxymoron that I'm referencing is from Fred's article, namely, the quote that "Rob Wigod knows what he's doing." Another strike...you're out pal and the game is over.

COCF

You should have quit while you were ahead.

COCF after a shower is "OXY-MORON" there's a detergent called OXY CLEAN. Shower, clean, moron. GET IT?

Thanks for helping me "spell" oxy-moron and advising me on looking up the meaning and spelling. My two degrees would suggest differently.

As far as two contradictory sentences...not exactly true but I did find the bastadized usage link "you" referenced. You might want to cut and paste it correctly.

One "paragraph...two contradictory "sentences". That's "your" claim...back it up.

Wow...you really got me with that one "zipper boy". What are you going to get me with next...the old Uranus crack-back? Like no one has heard that one before either. Dude, go back to watching the Disney Channel and leave the blogs to the adults.

And just saying, I am very much aware of your schedule and honestly I just dropped it for amusement. Heck, I even read the inane comments on Fred's recent cupcake schedule thread. As I have said many times, schedules are meaningless for most teams because the prize is a CIF title and not to be nationally ranked. Amat is the exception in the SGV because they are after this state and national recognition.

I see that last year's success has some players transferring into Amat so the future looks bright...so represent the SGV with class both on and off the field.

COCF,
Yes COCF since you are trying to be funny give us the answer to CO taking on Amat's total schedule not just preleague . Show us one team on Amat's schedule that can measure down to University . Come now or you just might have really stuck your head up your azzz this time.

COCF,
If you really wanted to amuse yourself you should have just dropped your zipper and got a real laugh.

COChargerfan - you brought up a topic and I replied to it - as opposed to me lurking in your subconscious causing you to bring my name up out of the blue.

I notice you didn't rebute the schedule once you've been "educated".

Who's in whose head? Because I dropped the "schedule" comment to amuse myself...just to see how many cockroaches came scurrying out of the woodpile. Let's review Straw Man, I taught you how to spell oxymoron and what it means, that Claremont did not change divisions, that CO does have very good IB/AP programs and that CO is the only high school in the district. As a side note, we were reminded that your reading skills indicate that you were one of the students that brought down the overall test scores at your high school...you're welcome grasshopper...now you can go back to your woodpile.

Does anyone actually venture outside of the Fish Bowl enough to actually know what they are talking about?

Does Serra beat CO last year? How about Cathedral and San Dimas? What are Azusa's chances against Salesian? How about Oaks Christian against Damien? It's bad enough CIF want no part of the SGV and has given us our own Champions but what about traveling to play team that aren't your friends, neighbors or have bloggers bragging about coaching little Johnnies back in the day.

There is something magical and incredibly satisfying about going toe to toe with athletes you know nothing about. Showing up at Alemany, Verbum Dei, Loyola or Carson meant something. When Damien plays Glendora or when Bonita plays San Dimas it's not the same...sorry, it's just not.

Maybe the schools I've mentioned will travel out here because it's too expensive and time consuming for Middle Class parents to support their kids. I support the lovefest and all but it's not competition as much as an affirmation of home prices and fake boobies, lol.

JFR,
Thank you . At least someone has the sense to realize this is all a matter of opinion and neither side will be swayed by the other. Both great programs and great schools.

COCF you crack me up, you really do. Your arguments are always entertaining meanderings that remind me of mushroom romps from my misspent youth. Reminiscent of arguing with a drunk without the booze or the bar to content with. I have a relative that you should meet. I'll buy the beer. My luck you guys will end up lovers and I'll have to see you at family gatherings and argue about the value of zero in mathematics while neither one of you can balance a check book. lmao

COCF,

For the love of god PLEEEEAAAASSSSSEEEEE stop already. This topic is going on it's second year and it's not like your going sway amat fan's opinion. BA good, CO good, end of story.

COChargerfan - I'm so deep in your head you can't stop thinking about me. If you can't tell who "Straw Man" is you're not as smart as you pretend to be. I'm pretty sure he has no connection to Amat other than being a convert.
I'm not sure you really paid much attention to Amat's schedule and were thrown for a loop by the 1st announcement of Garfield, who would probably beat the crap out of the fellow City Section schools that CO knows all too well, University and Gardena. Dominguez was a CIF Semifinalist. Muir sure scared the hell out of CO with a young team that has most everyone back. Damien should be a yearly game. Cathedral was a CIF semi-finalists and was 11-2 losing to Serra and Oaks Christian. Venice is a City power that was 10-2 last year and Amat used to always play a City power (ie: Carson in the day). Then you have one of the toughest league schedules in the Nation (3rd) that Amat lobbies to stay in and remain at D1- a little different mentality than complaining and fighting to stay out of the 385th best league in the Nation.
Nothing humorous there, and I think Straw Mans challenge still holds true - although I'm sure he was talking about last years schedule that you refused to acknowledge was far,far,far superior!

COCF,
Since you brought Amat into this discussion let me add this . Your closing line referring to Amat's schedule "no bueno" . Are you telling me CO could stand up to Crespi,ND,Loyola,Alemany. Rememver they are on our schedule . Yes our preleague isn't the usual blockbuster opponents but our league schedule is the same tough schedule we always face. Or are you just speaking of the preleague but then again it still is tougher than anything CO has come up with in quite a while.

Straw Man (come out of the closet…you’re the Amat honk “just sayin’”)…were you one of the students that brought down the test scores at your high school, that is, assuming that you actually graduated? For your information, an oxymoron is not limited to only two-word combinations but also includes contradictory sentences. Didn’t you read that when you looked up the definition before writing your last post? The good news is that after your April 4th post you learned that “oxy-moron” is actually spelled oxymoron.

And why can’t you understand that CO’s overall test scores do not negate the fact that they have very good IB and AP programs (their national pass rate is on par with the rest of the country) for the academic minded students. Maybe you can understand this example; two kids go to Amat and the first graduates at the top of the class and the second gets D’s and F’s and is kicked out. Statistically, this makes Amat an average school, that is, using your logic. Do you get is now? And you keep saying stuff like “CO lags behind in it's own District and when compared to other similar State school with their demographics”…since COHS is the only high school in the Charter Oak Unified School District, exactly what other high school in that district do they lag behind?

And why can’t you seem to understand what I wrote on April 5th about Santiago and Thropay’s circumstances? And, you are the one that painted these kids in derogatory terms by comparing them in a very negative manner to the QB’s at their former schools…did you forget saying “Seen Santiago and he's no Deen, seen Thropay and he's no Bueno! Wait that was unintentional but pretty funny none the less~ no Bueno...get it? That's funny, admit that!” Well it is not funny that you are intimating that these kids weren’t all that and then ran away from competition by transferring to CO…isn’t that what you are saying by harping on this transfer garbage because how else is one to interpret these remarks? And you are incorrect that the term “recruiting” was not used because on April 4th you said “cocf how many schools can boast both varsity qbs being transfers? so where do you get off telling any one about transfers or recruiting?” Isn’t that last word “recruiting?” But again, why does this even matter to you or anyone else except for the purpose of blasting these two kids and CO’s football program?

And here’s a fact checker on your Young vs. Montana analogy. Unlike Santiago and Thropay who transferred within the CIF’s Rules, Young couldn’t just leave the 49rs because he was under (a very lucrative) contract and besides when Young stepping in Montana was a 34-year-old, 12-year veteran who’s better days were behind him…so the best player then took over making Montana the “cast-off.” You do realize that Young is also in the Football HOF so it isn’t like your “no bueno” analogy has any applicability to Messrs. Montana and Young.

SM, you saved your most humorous comments for last by bringing up the “play BA's schedule” argument…apparently you haven’t bothered to read Amat’s schedule for next year…”no Bueno...get it?”

SGV BEST "that" was funny! Chico Sate! What's a record? I had to laugh. The old man jokes are easy to live with. I look at old age this way, I'd rather be old at some time in my life than young forever. My best friend died when he was 21, and he'll be young forever. Any way! Enough with the morbid thoughts though if there is anything I miss about being young it's body surfing at Huntington Beach and kissing a girl for the first time...wow that never got old. USed to take my wife there in late August when the waves are crashing and take her with me as we crashed the waves into shore. My mother in law used to complain that her daughter's tan would last past April! Is there anything prettier on a woman than tan lines? I'm just saying! lol

Reminds me of a joke I heard on Colin Ferguson who's a genius in picking up women..... or is it that he reminds me of my younger days when I could...never mind.

Joke:

What does a Scotsman wear under his kilt

Lipstick! ...If he's lucky! (wink wink)

Now "THAT'S" funny!

Hey Fred if it passed CBS censors it should be okay right? lol

SGV BEST "that" was funny! Chico Sate! What's a record? I had to laugh. The old man jokes are easy to live with. I look at old age this way, I'd rather be old at some time in my life than young forever. My best friend died when he was 21, and he'll be young forever. Any way! Enough with the morbid thoughts though if there is anything I miss about being young it's body surfing at Huntington Beach and kissing a girl for the first time...wow that never got old. USed to take my wife there in late August when the waves are crashing and take her with me as we crashed the waves into shore. My mother in law used to complain that her daughter's tan would last past April! Is there anything prettier on a woman than tan lines? I'm just saying! lol

Reminds me of a joke I heard on Colin Ferguson who's a genius in picking up women..... or is it that he reminds me of my younger days when I could...never mind.

Joke:

What does a Scotsman wear under his kilt

Lipstick! ...If he's lucky! (wink wink)

Now "THAT'S" funny!

Hey Fred if it passed CBS censors it should be okay right? lol

sgvsbest,
We get what you're saying. Amat has been a losing program for 15 years now and are not anywhere near being a wiining program now . Your point is understood. For you to come into the middle of a debate with your same old song ( Four Tops by the way ) because you have to get your daily I hate Amat fix is getting old and tired. Knock Amat all you want but get some new material . By the way fool Redbone was from the 70's . If you're going knock someone on their age, which you seem to like to do, another one of classy traits , at least get the dates correct.

COCF you wrote:

"It is an "oxymoron" to say the CIF fools know what they are doing"...COCF where is the "oxymoron" in that sentence? Do you know what an "oxymoron" is? ( Hint, Jumbo Shrimp)

You also say CO was a "wish list" school for student athletes and did "very well" in academics comparisons. Not true as CO lags behind in it's own District and when compared to other similar State school with their demographics. In fact CO's meandering scores are curious for one reason, they don't have the demographic factors that historically pull down a school's test scores. ( you figure that out on your own) MIght want to review your comments instead of always blasting out junk that can't be confirmed or painting people into a corner.

Maybe you like to put words in people's mouth to feel smarter but that's weak. I never said either QB was a cast off. See you like to use the most derogatory word to inflame an argument when none is necessary. Did you understand the Steve Young analogy. Would SY have been a cast off if he decided to leave the 49ers because Montana was healthy? That was my point to Thropay and Santiago where both QBs would have sat behind, in Thropay's case Bueno at Monrovia, he's a local legend btw and Jerry Mac, who's a quiet legend on a historic level btw. ...so he decided neither "environment" was enabling his development as a student athlete? Maybe it was that Allen was a senior and Bueno and Jerry Mac were underclassmen that might have played a role, just sayin. Great kid from everything I hear and seems as if he's a full blown competitor in basketball so good for the kid...no hate here at all. Understand? Matter of fact at WR or TE Thropay is a stud at any school who works with him, in my opinion.

As far as Santiago goes. Don't know the kid, wish him nothing but continued success but at SH he sits behind Shirley for one season at least and now I hear another QB is in the wings, and Bogan is a better QB coach than Farrar from what I hear. Is he a cast off as well? Don't think so. Seems to do well enough and he's got all that CO heritage so maybe you're confusing my original point here, but then that's your style. nOt that he was recruited but he was a transfer, the reasons, to me at least and to this specific argument, is irrelevant.

As I said is there any other school with a first string and second string QB as recent transfers, not cast off or marginal players mind you , just transfers seeing as you were in DR's shorts. BTW did you ever answer that question. Weren't you the guy last year who always asked, "Have you answered the question?" Well goose, meet gander!

As far as Claremont I said they weren't crying as others had and maybe crying offends you but seeing as you're a hyperbole guy I thought you'd spare me the indignation. Claremont is about as well placed in the Sierra League as DB or Chino yet they didn't protest was my point.

Last point I don't see how any school could look at the IE horizon and get weak kneed (diatribe material for you) and in the same breath consider themselves on par with BIshop Amat this year or last. Just my opinion no need to get all twisted. Now when I say on par, because you like to think for me, I mean play BA's schedule not play BA "one night" as Fred likes to feed you guys his fairy dust bs.

Straw Man...in addition to your poor reading skills, it appears that you also suffer from irrational thoughts. Just because CO as an entire school is middle of the road academically doesn't mean that they don't have top-notch IB and AP programs for the highest achieving students, which they do, and this is what I said. The fact that too many students do not reach this educational level doesn't mean that it isn't available.

And how is my pointing out your obvious mistaken comment that Claremont was moved up a division “and you don't hear them crying like Farrar did or btchin like you are” a “complex misrepresentation” on my part? Instead, you are attempting to cover your mistaken comments by going further off track and I have no desire to participate in idiotic banter…look again at what I said, specifically, moving CO up a division is not fair to the sports programs other than football and the team records that I provided prove this to any reasonable mind…your problem not mine that you do not possess the ability to see this fact.

As to Thropay and Santiago, out of one side of their mouth the haters complain that CO benefited by “recruiting” these kids but out of the other side are saying that they aren’t top notch QB’s anyway (have you already forgotten saying they aren’t “Bueno, Jerry Mac, Allen and Shirley...wow talk about a Murder's Row!!!”)? Seriously, think about what you are saying and the inconsistency. If CO ends of with a couple of second rate QB’s that are cast-offs from other programs, why do you and some others seem to care so much?

And Straw Man, read BALancersfan’s post carefully because he is right on the mark that kids (parents) find their way to Amat, CO and other successful programs not because they have coaches out there recruiting their eyeballs out but, instead, because of the tradition, values and coaching leadership that these schools and sports programs have established for all to see. Given the constant complaining on this very blog including mounds of piling on their own coaches, why would any parent of an athletically talented 8th grader send their kid to the Duarte, Los Altos, Walnut and Diamond Bar’s of the area? I really shouldn’t even say this because it just makes the “haves” stay better than the “have-nots” but, here goes, the have not folks need to examine the often self-inflicted turmoil in your own house and quit complaining that the successful, stable programs are somehow stealing their players because the fact is that you are “losing” the players because of your own self-destructive behavior. There is no better example than Longoria, who probably has the talent to play at the next level (maybe via a financially beneficial scholarship/grants), leaving because of the coaching turmoil that exists at Los Altos.

Broken Record -
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I'm sorry that you're so OLD that you have to compare me to a 1950s band!!!
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How OLD are you?
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By the way, what's a record? Is that what you have from Chino State? Or what the INS gave you after the MinuteMen reported you crossing Otay Mesa? Ouch!
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Old man, the point is that Amat has been a losing program for 15 years and 1 year over .500 is not a winning program!
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Do the math old man!
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Need an Ash Pencil and Papirus?
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LMFAO!

SGVBest the btch slapping Aram gave you took your "wow" factor away, or was it your nuts. All weak by comparison to your more fabled work. Still a huge fan but you're beginning to sound like the Archies. How many times can you listen to "Sugar Sugar" before you know realize you're a sap! The Amat "recording" is about that tired a track, great every now and a decade but come on you're bordering on "Candy Boy" territory now. Try the "B" side some time. How about some "Red Bone" and "Cum and get your love!" (Correct spelling BTW). And here after all these years you thought "Red Bone" had to do with their Indian heritage, guess again! lmao

StrawMan Hater-
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You sure those CO test score aren't really the Bishop Amat FootballLosing Percentage (BAFLP)???
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Those scores look really familiar. See MaxPreps.com between 2000 and the present! Certainly a below .500 mark!
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Hating on CO, SH, and Glendora doesn't get you any closer to a Ring, littleman!
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Go heat up your left over Menudo and sulk in it like a good little red hair alter boy!
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The Straw Man Cometh aka CoChargerFan

Once again a complex misrepresentation of comments is your go to weapon of choice. I'll be more direct with simple minded questions even your nut licking dog could answer.

At either schools (plural) either QB was previously attending where they better than either eventual starter? Bueno, Jerry Mac, Allen and Shirley...wow talk about a Murder's Row!!!

No one is saying they stink, hence the straw man, but that they may have seen the horizon and thought it better to move on down the road. Dind't mention stick, think what would have happened if MOntana doesn't suffer so many concussions...does Steve Young "stink" if he leaves SF to take his "wares" to another team. I just checked and Fido says he understood my point.

Now as far as CO being an educational savior for student athletes please.

Just because Fido asked:

CST RESULTS FOR CHARTER OAK ( STATE PROVIDED INFORMATION)
Scores reflect the percentage of students achieving at Proficient or Advanced level by State standards (Charter Oak-District-State)

English
06-07 42% 07-08 44% 08-09 44% = CO
06-07 45% 07-08 50% 08-09 53% = District (minnie ouch)
06-07 43% 07-08 43% 08-09 50% = State (minor ouch)

Math
06-07 17% 07-08 19% 08-09 21% =CO
06-07 36% 07-08 39% 08-08 42% = District (ouch)
06-07 40% 07-08 43% 08-09 46% = State (double ouch)

And the list goes on and on Straw Man as your CO score don't measure up in your own district or state. But maybe the Board of Education has it in for CO like CIF does. Maybe that's why you have an IB Program to future separate scores and students like public schools always have done with GATE kids. I see Principal Wiard has lots of work to do. My guess is the IB program brought those lacking scores up or things would be even worst. Fido wants to know what far, far superior education means.

My original points were what other school has their first and second string QBs as transfer students and how has more transfers public or private, nothing to do with recruiting as I'm absolutely sure, in fact 100% sure, Cathedral didn't "recruit" LA's Longoria. Suddenly Cathedral is in the news again!

Two questions, pretty simple. Fido barked twice so I'm sure his IQ can count that high, how about yours. woof woof !!

interesting how CO feels it's their right to "win championships" in all sports. They're so used to playing in the Fish Bowl that once they have to venture near the "drop-off" ("Oh no! Not the drop-off!) they squalk. What about those teams that never sniff the top? So what if CO's other teams come in second or are one-and-done in the playoffs. Join the club. Bishop Amat, who plays at the highest level in football and embraces it - has other teams that struggle. Even their boys basketball "success" was a function of playing 3 below .500 teams in the payoffs way more than them being really good. They tied with little Cathedral for 3rd/4th in their league. So learn to fight for a playoff spot and be happy if you get a win in the Inland. See how it feels for 90% of the rest of teh teams in the valley.

First a FACT CHECK…Claremont is still in with the same teams that they have been playing for years so they didn’t get bumped up a Division. And they did get “relief” (not really…just going to be 2 more losses in football) by being leagued with two teams that were bumped up.

Pal, if you had an IQ greater than my dead dog (RIP), then you would have the ability to actually read and comprehend the sport’s team records that I provided and understand that my argument wasn’t that football can’t compete but, instead, that most of the other sports at CO are getting the shaft by CIF.

And I never said that CO was the academic savior of the SGV only that they have very good academic programs. The same can be said for other schools in the area including but not limited to Amat, Glendora and, yes, Claremont High is also in the excellent class.

The funny thing is that if Santiago and Thropay stink, than why does anyone care that they transferred to CO? Heck, instead of complaining all you haters should be happy that CO’s 1st and 2nd string QB’s aren’t any good.

And BALancersfan, ditto everything that you said. That’s one of the most well reasoned and coherent posts to hit this blog but too bad that not everyone will get it or else we’d have a lot less name calling and bickering. Oh, and one last thing about my previous post, before someone attacks me I want to clarify that I didn’t mean anything derogatory about Monrovia (my alma mater) or Amat having a bad school environment because they don’t but instead that we don’t live in a one size fits all society so people need to be in the environment that fits them as individuals.

Quote of the Month

No one will address he numbers game so in every other team's favor and yet when comparing CO and BA there is no far far superior level of comparison. I know this to be true because COCF said so, many times.

COChargerfan you're a funny guy. So now you're trying to convince yourself that CO is the academic savior of all these lost academic anemic souls, you're kidding right?

Seen Santiago and he's no Deen, seen Thropay and he's no Bueno! Wait that was unintentional but pretty funny none the less~ no Bueno...get it? That's funny, admit that!

As far as being unfair to CO to be bumped up and CIF having it in for CO...why ? Why would they have it in for Co and wait, also SH and wait there's more! They have it in for Claremont as well as all three schools are getting bumped yet all three haven't won back to back CIF Championships...so who's whining now? Claremont who hasn't done squat in four years of football and you don't hear them crying like Farrar did or btchin like you are, so why is CIF morons~ because Fred intimates so?

Well, I'm glad that we all agree that it is at least as easy for players...err. students to choose Charter Oak because of their footb.... errr IB program and get their FREE public education as it is to be accepted at Bishop Amat and arrange for a scholarsh...errr Financial Aid.

The point was - everyone is on equal terms - public and private.

This takes us back to the post that started the discussion on "out-of-attendance-area players when AS I SEE IT said:

"Once again Bishop Amat jumps in with a completely stupid comment. 1300+ kids and the ability to recruit any kid in the valley they want with scholarships to pay for the education. "

This was in response to

Quote of the Month said:
"It's a prestigious thing to be part of the best, and Amat's tradition and history dictates that's where we should be." Steve Hagerty

Capo Valley 2800+
Compton 2500+
Dana Hills 3000+
Fountain Valley 3000+
LB Jordan 4100+
Lakewood 4200+
Los Alamitos 3000+
Mater Dei 2300+
Millikan 4100+
Mission Viejo 2900+
Newport Harbor 2400+
LB Poly 4700+
LB Wilson 4400+
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Bishop Amt 1300+

Of course this was juxtaposed with the infamous "double-whammy" Farrar quotes and the above mentioned Bogan quote,

"Maybe it's a bigger compliment than we deserved, but this is proof the whole Valley feels this way about us. They set it up; they didn't want any part of this league, so they put us in there. Maybe we're wrong and they (CIF) just have a deep respect for us and how much we can do with a thousand less kids."

Yet CO/SH claims D1 is not a far, far , far superior division - but they whine about moving into D2? If it's not far, far, far superior - why the complaints?

COChargerfan,

Personally I am one of those hated Bishop Amat parents and fans myself that no one likes to listen to on the blog and probably will be chastised for my comments but I truly believe there are so many parallels between our programs. I agree that you have to defend your entire school and in this case you are in the right to protect not just your athletics but academics.

Our family made a personal decision to send our children to Bishop Amat but if we had to choose a public school in the Valley without a doubt we would of gone to Charter Oak.

One obviously we personally are very fond of Mrs. Wiard and everything she did for Bishop Amat while she was there for so many years but two because I agree with you the academics and athletics are the best overall outside of Bishop Amat in my opinion. In terms of public schools yes absolutely you are #1 in our Valley.

There is something to be said for community and there is no substitute for tradition and pride. In football, Farrar and his staff are an institution and given the success they have had I imagine many times families choose Charter Oak not that anyone is out there recruiting anyone. Heck for that matter, I don't see any of us at Bishop Amat "pounding the pavement" everyday looking for kids and we can even get away with recruiting more or less if we seriously wanted to. If you want to play the highest level of Football, Girls Basketball, and Baseball you go to Bishop Amat. This is what our tuition pays for. At Charter Oak, you get almost the same kind of caliber opportunity but you are right not in every sport and now I would have to agree C.I.F. is punishing your school overall.

Cream always rises to the top and winners want to play for winners so our schools share in that because of our continued success and good fortune people hate us and our jealous. I never get why we personally always go back and forth but then again that's probably why we've been able to maintain our edge because of our competitive spirit.

Something tells me that Charter Oak will find their way like we found our way in Football and Girls Basketball this year because that is in the schools D.N.A.

You people that continue to whine and complain would join a winner in a minute if you were good enough for the challenge. So quite hating and drink the Kool-Aid. I promise you will like the end results of your decisions. Accomplishments are earned and are deserving of schools like Bishop Amat and Charter Oak.

You've heard of COCF son's credentials and I guarantee you not many of your can boost the same results so put up or shut up as far as I am concerned. The proof is in the numbers and no one I repeat no one matches up to Bishop Amat or Charter Oak!

COChargerfan, good to here from you again! I hope your as excited as our kids and I am for this up coming football season...

I’m trying to ignore the “shower” knuckleheads but dude you need to be put into your place… namely, in the other porcelain bathroom fixture as there is a lot of crap coming out of your mouth.

First of all, CO is a very good academic school that is one of the only IB programs in the area and does very well on the national AP testing. So, for the academic minded student athletes it is a wish choice for their futures.

And, it is a fact that Travis Santiago played his youth baseball and football at Charter Oak, his father is a baseball coach at COHS and his cousin is also on the baseball team. So, his father and family wanted him to attend CO from the get go but he was then living with his mom in the SH district and despite his father’s wishes, the kid decided to attend SH. After his freshman year, the kid and family decided that CO was where he should have gone from the start so he transferred…all within the CIF rules. The kid was excelling at football and baseball at SH but not so much in school so athletics wasn’t even an issue and certainly there wasn’t any “recruiting” involved, instead, the change had everything to do with the school environment and family wishes including the grandparents, uncles, etc. being able to watch Matt and Travis play on the same baseball team.

And pal, do you know the Thropays? Because, while they aren’t the kind of people that spend any time talking about negatives, I have heard comments that they didn’t like the overall school environment at either Monrovia or Amat so they came to CO and bought a house in the district…and their kids (pleural) are thriving in all aspects of school with sports being secondary. Again, there wasn’t any “recruiting” involved and, instead, the family decided that Covina was the place where they wanted to live and educate their kids which is the most important decision that any parent makes.

I don’t know the stories of any of the other purported transfers that get mentioned (do you???) but I wouldn’t be surprised if they also have non-athletic reasons as to why they wound up at CO.

The problem isn’t recruiting but that the simple minded can’t see beyond the opening of the wide mouth aluminum can in their right hand.

oxy-moron, please give me the name of CO's strength recruiting coach. Funny.

First, the only CIF titles at CO are for football and a lone baseball one in 2007.

Look at CO’s girl’s teams. Basketball just went 9-18 overall and 4-5 in league and last year was 7-20 and 3-8, respectively. This year’s volleyball team was 2-13 and 1-3. Softball is 8-7 and 4-2 and last year was 14-12 and 5-3.Soccer went 19-6 and 4-2 and lost in the first round of CIF. Last year was 14-5 and 4-3. The girl’s teams pretty much haven’t won any LEAGUE titles in recent years let alone made any kind of run in CIF. So how is it fair to them that they are getting bumped up a division?

On the boys side, the past two years the basketball team came in second place in league and didn’t get out of the second round of CIF. Soccer went 2-17 and 1-6 and last year was 4-17 and 3-5. Currently, the baseball team is 7-5 and 3-2 and last year was 17-10 and 5-4. The year before they were 15-12 and 7-2.

Obviously, there is no logical reason to bump these sports up a Division and by doing so the CIF morons are unjustly punishing them…pretty convincing evidence that their mantra to promote “fair play” is lip service.

The majority of the transfers go public, subject to change with Gano over at Damien. The majority of the recruiting (freshmen) private.

Why Wilson and Los Altos?

Because they've had the most between the two schools. Also Los Altos has been losing kids at a rapid rate for years if the blog comments are true. Wilson has been the beneficiary of most of those transfers from what I've read. Also could have gone the SH, CO route but why, it's so over done and over denied it's a waste of time even with both varsity QBs last year having attended 5 schools between them including CO.

My point is every year public schools preach privates recruit yet I read every year where public "talent" transfers or public school parents threaten or complain about transfers" in both directions. So what gives?

Which is it? Do publics or privates have more transfers or not?

Who gets more transfers Public or Private?,

Your wording is very interesting, transfers? Private schools recruit freshmen (BA). Your Gano's, SH's and CO recruit other teams talent, transfers. If that is what you are trying to say I would agree with that. Intereting that BA just had two transfers Booth (SH) and SV (LA), not the norm.

Also interesting that you use LA and Wilson as your public example. Why wouldn't you use SH and CO. LA, Gano era I can see, but Wilson?

Since this topics keeps coming up does anyone know how many SGV "transfers" have parlayed their "new" teams into actual scholarships? If the question on the floor is "Wouldn't any parent do the same?" I think it's fair to ask how many "transfers" have worked out into more than just their 15 minutes of high school legendry and a new set of girlfriends to chose from.

I'd love any response that's not nasty or stupid, just facts!

Seems odd that most "non recruited" transfers happen between public schools yet public school dads always talk about private school advantages. Name all the private school transfers along side all the public school transfers and see how that plays out, this could get ugly seeing as LA and Wilson might have 10x more than BA and DHS alone!

cocf how many schools can boast both varsity qbs being transfers? so where do you get off telling any one about transfers or recruiting? are you saying in the last two years no local co players could have handed the ball off to golden and muema? what a joke! let's review: thropay started at monrovia, transfered to bishop amat transfered out and transfered into charter oak all before his junior year! santiago did the south hills is struggling to charter oak is loaded dance to a cif championship. let's not go into the blue line special that brought tons of players from miguel's neighborhood to farrar's front door or the strength coach that does CO's recruiting for them. you seen to be a fact checker. "half of your teams aren't competitive", really which half?

Booth was at LA his freshmen year, and his sophomore and junior year at SH's. Interesting you could say Booth was the start of this mess you now see at LA. His move and the players that moved with him were a big hit over at LA.

I personally think it is a good move for Booth. His son wants to play QB, and at SH's they made it clear he was going to be the backup next year. If my son was in that situation I would have done the same thing. Why do you guys have such an issue with parents doing what is best for their son. Don't start with that be loyal to the program crap, because the program isn't going to be loyal to you, especially South Hills.

I wish him the best.......

what other school did Booth go to besides Los Altos & South Hills? And I doubt he'll go to Amat to play behind Ruiz

Here is an update for all of you to think about. Back up QB from SH, Brock Booth has checked out and transfered to Amat. His dad was not happy with playing time. 4 HS in 4 years, quite simply amazing. How is he going to be eligible? And how much playing time is he going to get at Amat?

COChargerfan,

Big difference is DRanch does it under the radar, within the district and freshmen. While CO, SH, and Gano are in the news with big time Junior/Senior recruits from out of area.

where one lives "now" does not change where they came from then... you know.. when they transferred into CO.
But don't let THAT fact get in your way

well there COCHARGER FAN,
Nice combo....DANGGGGG!!!....can i get an big ol' AMEN to that?

Don't let facts get in the way...both Thropay and Santiago now live in the CO District...

And D'Ranch is one of 4 high schools in the Pomona Unified School District and "recruits" via intradistrict transfers from their 5600 kid student body...which is why they are good at football, baseball and basketball and their fellow PUSD schools (Pomona High, Garey and Ganesha) are, sorry there is no other way to say this, really awful.

It is an oxymoron to say that the CIF fools knows what they are doing because if they really did, then they'd league and division individual sports according to competitive levels but this seems to be too much too difficult for these geniuses. Because, despite the fact football is pretty much the only sport where CO has recently dominated (half of the sports currently aren’t very competitive), they threw every other kid including our young women to the wolves…pretty much proves that despite all the rhetoric in the “Blue Book”, the CIF clowns (the principals/administrators from our high school brethren) actually have no real integrity and instead, are hell-bent on punishing the whole CO student body for the football team rolling threw their league and division for the past two years.

And Norco, quit living in the past because you haven’t won anything since Roosevelt opened and started siphoning off half your talent…you are Chino and Ayala after Chino Hills High opened but just can’t read the writing on the wall yet…in 5 years with the last CIF Title in 2006 fading from everyone’s memory, you will finally get it and we won’t have to listen to your blathering anymore.

rumor mill,

So what you are saying is Bishop Amat allowed two kids from another school to go on their campus and jump one of their students. Was the comment trying to support Bishop Amat or what?

Like I said "Stats on Safety at Bishop Amat"

AS I SEE IT - Can you say Muema, Golden, Santiago, Thropay, Youngblood, and nearly every major contributor at CO? Don't even start with SH and the number of players they "bring in" from all over. And last I checked - they go to school "for free" at CO & SH, don't they?

Once again Bishop Amat jumps in with a completely stupid comment. 1300+ kids and the ability to recruit any kid in the valley they want with scholarships to pay for the education. We all know that CO and SH get their players from all over as well but nowhere near the level that Amat does, can you say Wallace Gonzales. So stay out of the conversation until you have something intelligent to say.

Norco

It is my understanding that Diamond Ranch plays up with an enrollment of under 1800 kids and always has. It goes to show what wanting to play the best can bring about. I am sure if they where placed in that league they would not have appealed or complained.

Quote of the Month:

No one will address your point.

The Quote of the Month is ....total silence.

the word is he got jumped by Los Altos guys that were ticked he left. guess that's what happens when you leave a bunch of losers

Do you have any stats on safety, that LA football player that transferred over to Bishop Amat I heard got jumped at Bishop Amat weeks after he arrived. I guess that's what goes on in the Ghetto.

"It's a prestigious thing to be part of the best, and Amat's tradition and history dictates that's where we should be." Steve Hagerty

Capo Valley 2800+
Compton 2500+
Dana Hills 3000+
Fountain VAlley 3000+
LB Jordan 4100+
Lakewood 4200+
Los Alamitos 3000+
Mater Dei 2300+
Millikan 4100+
Mission Viejo 2900+
Newport Harbor 2400+
LB Poly 4700+
LB Wilson 4400+
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Bishop Amt 1300+

I understand the sentiment of the coaches and fans who want to be in a division where the population numbers are equitable. However, as a fan of a school that has been competing with other schools with MUCH larger populations, I don't have much sympathy. In the last 20 years Muir has competed in Divisions 2, 3, 5, and 7 and they've never had more than 2000 students in that time. In fact, they haven't had more than 1200 for the past 6-7 years.

Again, I understand the disadvantages SH, CO, and the other Sierra schools will have...my advice is to just nut up and compete. At least now there will be much fewer "what-ifs."

I understand the sentiment of the coaches and fans who want to be in a division where the population numbers are equitable. However, as a fan of a school that has been competing with other schools with MUCH larger populations, I don't have much sympathy. In the last 20 years Muir has competed in Divisions 2, 3, 5, and 7 and they've never had more than 2000 students in that time. In fact, they haven't had more than 1200 for the past 6-7 years.

Again, I understand the disadvantages SH, CO, and the other Sierra schools will have...my advice is to just nut up and compete. At least now there will be much fewer "what-ifs."

A lot of the comments and the article assume that South Hills and Charter Oak will make the playoffs. This might be true, but you never no. Anyway, they may still draw a 2nd or 3rd from the Citrus Belt, and get a win.

This is a great way to settle the deabate about which teams are better, they get to play each other.

Man, I can't wait for football season.

I do believe SH scrimmaged Corona C last year and the game turned out to be very exciting! SH lost by a TD, but it was a good hard hitting battle. I'm sure Bogan isn't scared, especially since he has a good team coming back.

Norco
Right On..............I hope you play South Hills this coming year and send them packing back home with there tails between there legs.South Hills are the biggest cry babies in the SGV.On the other hand i think Charter Oak wants to see where there at and it will be interesting to see how they do.I think this move caught them flat footed and I'm just guessing that this year will be a little bit of a rebuilding year for them.

BigDog,

I have a lot of respect for programs that schedule up and like to see where they stand. I truly believe that the size or the school or division does not matter, it`s the attitude and the will to compete. Diamond Ranch has shown in the past that their willing and able to compete with top teams. I would rather see a team wanting to be here and open to the possibility of playing a top notch team week in and week out, then schools who would rather stay in a lower division and dominate. IMO the coaches from CO & SH need to quit bitching and complaining. This is HS Football and anything can happen on any given night, that’s why you play the game.

I have to say FredJ your picture of Wigod says everything. Absolutely classic on your part to actually be willing to post that picture of him. I for one as a fan of the S.G.V. football feel anything you can say and do for our schools is critical and there is nothing more powerful than the power of print. Keep up the good work!

This is a huge compliment/insult for South Hills and Charter Oak. Both schools will be the smallest schools in the Inland Division with enrollments of 1959 for C.O. and 2067 for S.H.

They will be facing powerhouse schools such as Vista Murrieta (3601), Chapparal (3004),Redlands East Valley (3671), Redlands (3459), Corona Centennial (2890),Corona Santiago (3916), Upland (3755), Los Osos (3210), Rancho Cucamonga (2981), Etiwanda (3313), and Sierra League foe Chino Hills (2906).

It will be a long two years for the Sierra League.

Six leagues in the Mid-Valley Division doesn't make sense. Five others divisions have four leagues. Hopefully, the Almont League can be moved out of the Mid-Valley and into the Southeast which is one the of the four-league divisions.

Norco
Do you think the Inland would have rather had Diamond Ranch playing instead of South Hills seeing Diamond Ranch Beat South Hills two years in a row and Diamond Ranch has always showed that their open to playing higher caliber competition.

Welcome to the Inland....

Come on, Bogan still draws from the entire SGV. A bigger area and numbers than any of those schools.