When all is done, if Bishop Amat, Glendora and South Hills win titles, which team would have had the most impressive season?

There is a great chance of this happening, with Glendora in Division II, South Hills the reigning champ in Division III and Bishop Amat heavy favorites in Division IV, despite losing the Del Rey League finale to St. Paul. You can even have a sleeper like Sierra Vista make a run in Division V, and don’t count out Bonita in Division III. Player of the year, coach of the year, all-team first team honors, all this stuff will be decided over the next few weeks. There is no clear cut favorites at this point, the postseason will determine all that, but enjoy it, the next few weeks should be exciting. The Pairings are released on Monday.

Above: Glendora pitcher Adam Plutko put together a spectacular season. Next up, the CIF playoffs.

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  • Kaptain Kiefer

    Bishop Amat Lancers.

  • Hmmmm

    I think most people would agree that you have to base these final rankings on the level of competition that each program faced…

    Out of all three programs, who had the most victories over State and Nationally ranked teams?

  • ?

    Glendora hands down D.2 is the toughest division in CIF hands down.

  • Don

    As of this morning the Freeman ratings show the local boys as follows:

    Rating - Strength of Schedule

    Amat 16.2 - 8.6
    Glendora 15 - 8.6
    Bonita 12.8 - 6.9
    Damien 12.6 - 8.4
    South Hills 12.3 - 6.9
    Diamond Bar 11.5 - 9.4
    Charter Oak 9.8 - 6.8
    Northview 8.2 - 3.2
    Walnut 7.2 - 6.1
    San Dimas 7.1 - 3.3
    Los Altos 7 - 5.2
    Diamond Ranch 6.8 - 6.6
    Garey 6.4 1.6

  • KH Fan

    Bonita, of course

  • sl guy

    Fred,

    Although Amat has had a great season, it is only the post season that determines the best of the best. Amat should win Div IV and if they don’t they are league champs and that is it. If Amat is the only school to win a Div. title then they will have had the most impressive season. Now on the other hand, if Glendora or maybe even Damien comes away with the Div II crown, then I would have to say that would be a most impressive feat. Div II is the toughest Div. in CIF and by far better than Div IV or even Div III. So if GHS or Damien come away with the Div II title they will have the most impressive season.

  • kh

    don, i like the ratings.
    still room to improve.
    and we will boys.

  • Jackboy

    To your question when all is done which Team would have had the most impressive season

    Bonita gets the edge. Considering where they started, losing almost the entire core of their Championship team from last year. This was a rebuilding year that turned out way better than expected. Remember you did say Team. Bonita has great team chemistry, and theyre young. If you where to ask Amats Neito and Glendoras Henley, they would agree.

    Bonitas Knott and staff should be a lock for coach of the year.

  • Baseball NUT!

    From past history, but not always,USUALLY the team that WINS CIF gets BOTH coach and player of the year from Fred, and CIF. This season is different, as we have actually SIX schools that can possibly WIN CIF.

    SO with that said I think for the FIRST time in a LONG time, NO matter what happens the P.O.Y AND C.O.A will come from DIFFERENT schools.

    My prediction:

    PLAYER—— RUIZ ( AMAT )

    COACH——- KNOTT ( BONITA )

    Also my prediction of the TOP 4 seeds come Monday:

    DIV II
    Upper Bracket:

    # 1 CHAMINADE

    # 4 REDLANDS E. V

    Lower Bracket:

    # 2 GLENDORA

    # 3 CRESPI

    Glendora MAY get the TOP seed, or as LOW as # 3. Actually ALL four could be # 1′s or #4′s. The bracket IS THAT TOUGH!

    DIV III
    Upper Bracket:

    # 1 BECKMAN

    # 4 BONITA

    Lower Bracket:

    # 2 ALHAMBRA

    # 3 SOUTH HILLS

    Bonita COULD be as high as # 2, OR NOT even seeded. Hemet, MAY fall into a TOP 4 slot, and possibly Rancho Alamitos. South Hills can be from a # 2, to a # 4. Reigning CHAMP will be seeded

    DIV IV
    Upper Bracket:

    # 1 BISHOP AMAT

    # 4 NORTHVIEW

    Lower Backet:

    # 2 PALM DESERT

    # 3 ST. PAUL

    Amat is a GIVEN! St Paul COULD go as high as a # 2 and hoping for a 4TH game vs Bishop Amat, but I think the TWO teams that began the season against each other END with each other!

    The FINALS would be:

    CHAMINADE VS GLENDORA

    BONITA VS SOUTH HILLS

    BISHOP AMAT VS PALM DESERT

    For the record I say:

    Though ORANGE LUTHERN is a GREAT TEAM, I think ROYAL HIGH comes through in DIV I, and Chatsworth wins again in the CITY!

    What say YOU?

    Also,

    HEY FRED,

    When was the LAST time the SGV had THIS MANY TEAMS that can have AT LEAST 20 wins?

    AMAT
    GLENDORA
    ARCADIA
    ALHAMBRA
    MONROVIA already have 20 victories or more

    AND,
    SOUTH HILLS
    BONITA
    SIERRA VISTA
    DAMIEN
    MARANATHA, are ALL within reach of 20 by a game or two. And thats just off the top of my head. Could have more.

    THATS AT LEAST 10!
    And we hear OUR TINY SGV is WEAK!

    P.S What ever happened to the loudmouth/punk from CAPO VALLEY? LOL…… a 12-14 seson, AFTER starting I believe 6-1

  • VVL CHAMP

    Northview 5 Covina 3. Where is the VVL Scout? Vikings take the series 2 of 3 and capture 5th straight VVL Title. Something VVL Scout won’t do I’m sure is give credit, but I will because we have some class and winning is something we just do. Covina played us tough all year and hats off to them for rising up for the challenge. It’s been a bore lately with the schools playing each other, but it was fun again this year. I’m not sure what happened with you guys playing San Dimas, maybe they have your number I don’t know, but good luck to you in the playoffs.

  • SGVMan

    Why is everyone on the Bonita bandwagon? Name me one team they played that is in either Div 1 or 2? How about a rated team in Div 3? It’s nice they rebounded after losing alot, but who have they beat? There league was down, CO, DR and LA were just not very good this year. So somenone please try and help me figure this out?

  • BaseballFan

    VVL Champ,
    I’ll give credit where credit is due. I’m a Colt fan and follower, but a bigger baseball fan and can only say that the two games that Covina and Northview played this week were great games to watch. Both teams battling each other and playing good baseball. Got to admit, Friday’s pitcher gutted it out on the mound for NV. I’m proud of our boys for stepping up this year and fighting against the Vikings til the end. Both teams deserve credit, congrats to NV for winning league, and great job Colts on a good season and making playoffs. I think a lot of people didn’t expect as much from us this year and our boys stepped up. Good luck to both teams in the playoffs, let’s show the people what our little city can do.

  • BaseballFan

    VVL Champ,
    I’ll give credit where credit is due. I’m a Colt fan and follower, but a bigger baseball fan and can only say that the two games that Covina and Northview played this week were great games to watch. Both teams battling each other and playing good baseball. Got to admit, Friday’s pitcher gutted it out on the mound for NV. I’m proud of our boys for stepping up this year and fighting against the Vikings til the end. Both teams deserve credit, congrats to NV for winning league, and great job Colts on a good season and making playoffs. I think a lot of people didn’t expect as much from us this year and our boys stepped up. Good luck to both teams in the playoffs, let’s show the people what our little city can do.

  • Don

    Mr. Man,

    I’m not so sure about this Bonita bandwagon you’re talking about. I’ve been to La Verne and I’m pretty sure they don’t even allow bandwagons. Too noisy. To your questions I refer you to:

    http://calpreps.com/2009-2010-boysbaseball/ratings/Southern_division.htm#III

    Information is your friend and can help prevent you from looking ignorant. This is the ‘raw’ version of the Maxprep rankings by Division. You can also see that BoHi has played several D2 teams, Diamond bar, Crescenta Valley, and Claremont. I don’t know what you are asking for when you talk about rated teams but if you are referring to teams from the CIF Poll please check my post under justtribbin to see what I think about those.

    I am also curious about which D1 and D2 teams you want to see them play. Are you talking about the Fontana’s, Muir’s, Glenn’s, and Cabrillo’s or just the Orange Lutheran’s and Crespi’s? See, cause there are ‘good teams’ in all of the Divisions just like there are ones who haven’t done as well.

    But you knew that already, or did you?

  • Baseball NUT!

    SGV Man,

    I tend to agree with you regarding Bonita. They have played a VERY weak schedule to this point. Starting in round 2, it WILL get tougher.

    HOWEVER I have seen them play twice, and they are a very relaxed team, who has NO pressure and they can hit pretty good. This can HELP, OR HURT come next week. They have fun, and no worries, which will help, but they are VERY inexperienced in a HIGH pressure situation, which could hurt after round two.
    Bonita’s favorite dad/follower KH said they HAD NOTHING to play for in that blowout loss to Claremont in March. Are they good enough to turn on “the switch” to play at a HIGHER level game after game with knowing thier is NO tomorrow? Nobody knows becasue the lack of competition, and a very watered down league this season.

    I still see S/H as the DIV III favorite. They have a dozen kids who WON it ALL last season. This will help alot come again AFTER week two. They too had a watered down league this season, BUT they also have played BETTER Out of league competition playing DIV I and II teams and winning a few of those.
    However they WILL be under ALOT of pressure unlike Bonita, to do well in CIF. BECAUSE of the experience thier pressure will mount, after each round, and people will begin talk of either a rematch with Beckman or a local final w/Bonita.
    Also good as they are and will be again NEXT season, the Huskies are NOT a “catch up” or come from behind team once it gets to the 6th, and 7th innings. Playing catch up is not their game. Case in point was against AMAT. They outplayed the Lancers after inning one. Even had 5 runners L.O.B the final two innings, and didn’t take advantage. They rely on GREAT Defense,and solid pitching. They have given up LESS than 2.5 runs a game.

    I think Bonita will get the luck of the draw and be granted a # 4 seed, and I see them taking out Beckman. IF Bonita, and SH gets to the FINALS, it will be a fun game for our valley. IF that happens, then the experience will be in the Huskies favor.

    But hey this is the playoffs, and ALL teams CAN lose in round ONE!

  • Baseball NUT!

    Don,

    We can’t go solely based on what Max Preps says.
    They tend to go off of MOSTLY wins and losses, and the losses hurt more at the end of the year.Sort of reminds me of the BCS poll.Lose and fall big, but should they? Watch come Monday how AMAT falls a few because of the loss to St Paul. Look at South Hills. They lose to a league opponent, yet beat a DIV II team on the road who is closing in on 20 victories by over a dozen runs, but because of the loss they fall. Bonita rose 16 or so spots because of two wins. South Hills wins their last two and will jump a few.

    Can Bonita beat a team who is 10-15 spots ahead of them. Yes they can, but they can also lose to a team 15-20 below them. If they lose SHOULD they fall 15 spots behind teams who they can normally beat? If they beat a TOP 15 team, does that make them a TOP 15 team in the state? If S/H beat AMAT, I bet they wou

  • Baseball NUT!

    Don,

    We can’t go solely based on what Max Preps says.
    They tend to go off of MOSTLY wins and losses, and the losses hurt more at the end of the year.Sort of reminds me of the BCS poll.Lose and fall big, but should they? Watch come Monday how AMAT falls a few because of the loss to St Paul. Look at South Hills. They lose to a league opponent, yet beat a DIV II team on the road who is closing in on 20 victories by over a dozen runs, but because of the loss they fall. Bonita rose 16 or so spots because of two wins. South Hills wins their last two and will jump a few.

    Can Bonita beat a team who is 10-15 spots ahead of them. Yes they can, but they can also lose to a team 15-20 below them. If they lose SHOULD they fall 15 spots behind teams who they can normally beat? If they beat a TOP 15 team, does that make them a TOP 15 team in the state? If S/H beat AMAT, I bet they wouldn’t be ranked # 1 in the state!

    This is just a example, but the strength is pretty close between SH, & Bonita, both in the same division and both at or near the top. BUT CLEARLY SH has played tougher NON league competition. Yes Bonita played a few in DIV II, D.B AND Claremont but BOTH are average at best. Of course we can’t blame the Cat’s either for being in tournments that were so-so. Its not their fault other teams were not up to par. So how do they base their strength, considering BOTH are in leagues who were weak this year?

    There is a reason that Bonita hasn’t cracked the TOP 4 ALL season in the CIF POLLS. They may do that come tomorrow AFTER the seedings are out! They can make ALOT of noise come next week and prove those people wrong! This is why that Tournment NEXT season with the SGV & IE will be a good one. Good teams will be involved.
    Going to be fun!

  • Don

    To Baseballnut:

    The Freeman rankings are a little bit more complicated than MOSTLY wins and losses, you go ahead and read it yourself: http://calpreps.com/ratings.htm

    For sure I’m no mathematician, but I’ve been following these rankings in football for a half dozen years and the accuracy, especially at seasons end is quite remarkable. What is REALLY interesting to me is how much the project a score feature, (sadly, unavailable for baseball), drops in precision when the playoffs begin. THIS is where the argument about any team being able to beat any other team on a given day comes into play.

    There is a reason that Bonita hasn’t cracked the TOP 4 ALL season in the CIF POLLS. I thought I addressed that in the justtribbin post. I think they are where they are or are not in the CIF polls for the same reason a team like Rancho Alamitos is rated #5: lazy, ill informed, and ignorant voters.

    If there were any validity to the argument for playing D1 teams why isn’t Downey rated? They’ve beaten El Dorado, Servite, and Moorpark this year and lost to Lakewood, Dana Hills, and Diamond Bar. OK, DR is D2 but I think you get the idea. How is it Alhambra is #2 in the polls? Had Jay Beltran not worked Arcadia in the Elks they’d just be the Almont champs who haven’t beaten anyone tougher than Silverado.

    Who else you want to talk about? Beckman? Hemet? Beckman’s done well against the OC also rans from the Empire League and such, Hemet has played some good schools but has beaten no one in the top tier except El Segundo.

    And now we come to South Hills, again the team I called probably the favorite, the team I’ve been talking up all year. A fine team, solid and well prepared as usual by coach smith. Whoever they play will have be at their very best to beat them and are so good they don’t need to be boosted up on the back of Bonita or anyone else, they are plenty good enough to stand on their own.

  • Baseball NUT!

    Don,

    I think we can both agree that South Hills is the team to beat in DIV III. But you also state you think Bonita is exactly where it should be. Ok then where SHOULD they be? CIF # 6, Or Max Preps # 1? We both agree that Beckman ONCE AGIAN is overated. Same as last year. They go into CIF ranked # 1, and SH # 8, and they beat Beckman for the SECOND time in the Final.

    By facing AND beating higher level/divison teams I believe DO count for something. You have to BEAT the so called higher division team. Thats just the way it goes. Otherwise if it didn’t matter, THEN AMAT would be nowhere to be found IF they say go .500 vs the bigger division teams. I mean its a DIV IV team that is # 2 in the STATE! Its not becasue they scheduled better or UP or DIV I teams, its because they BEAT DIV I teams. Bonita has beat ONE division II team in D.B ( a team who will finish with ELEVEN losses) Not exactly a power.

    As for Downey, yep they played a few DIV I teams, and won a couple and lost a couple. BUT their games were against teams who again are average in thier division. Sure Servite is decent, and El Dorado was in the Classic, but the others are nowhere to be found. BUT because they EVEN had them on their schedule it makes DOWNEY in the top tier of THEIR division. This is why South Hills should be # 1 in BOTH CIF & MAX PREPS. They have beaten the higher division teams. The Utah team is in the TOP in the state, as is the team from AZ. And Mater Dei & West Ranch will both be in CIF in DIV I, and Alemany same in DIV II.
    As for Hemet I agree their WINS don’t look pretty, BUT once again they played TOP teams in O LU, M.V, FOOTHILL, LOS ALAMITOS, and H.B. ALL ARE DIV I, so they may have lost ALL FIVE, but its looked upon as Hemet being able to play with the BIGGER boys, thus the thinking if they can compete with DIV I then for sure they can compete in DIV III playoffs. Agian Bonita can’t say that based on their schedule. To me Hemet,and Downey are about equal

    In all honesty SOUTH HILLS is the CLASS OF DIV III, and SHOULD be a BIG favorite. Same goes for BISHOP AMAT.
    IF Glendora GETS the # 1 seed in DIV II then I can see them making a DEEP run based on their deep rotation. HOWEVER I STILL believe, CRESPI, EL TORO, CHAMINADE, SANTA BARBARA all BETTER than the Tartans. This is why CIF is so much FUN. ANYTHING can happen.
    After tomorrow, once the pairings are released I will decide which game to go to. One good thing is the teams NUMBER ONE pitcers can pitch in BOTH rounds one and two, and the games are Thursday, Tuesday, which means FIVE days off!

    See you at game or TWO!

  • Don

    To Baseballnut:

    I’m still kind of confused why you want to make this about Bonita. My posts were no more about BoHi than they were about Gahr or Charter Oak or Downey or even Quartz Hill, all of whom I think have been stiffed in some of the CIF polls this year. Which is why posted in the first place.

    Now you ask where I think Bonita ought to be rated, I think, (you also said I stated I think Bonita is exactly where it should be, but I don’t remember writing that). Well, anyhow I do buy into Ned Freeman’s magical numerical manipulations and think they ought to be used to CREATE the dadburned polls. They ought to use them to set up the leagues and divisions too, (with appropriate attention paid to geography of course). But then I digress.

    Again.

    If you use strictly the Calpreps rankings as they are today, D3 looks like this:

    Bonita - 12.8
    Beckman – 12.5
    South Hills – 12.4
    Charter Oak - 9.8
    San Gorgonio - 9.7
    Hemet 9.4
    Downey – 9.2
    Gahr – 8.9
    Paramount 7.8
    Colton 7.6

    But then this uses a totally objective system that doesn’t calculate anything other than your opponent, (as well as their opponents and the opponents of their opponents, etc, etc), and their margins of victory. Since the system uses no preloaded status like Divisions it’s a bit inaccurate at first but after a few thousand games or so you would be surprised how credible the rankings are. That’s why the local ones which currently show Amat and Glendora as 1-2 followed by Bonita, Damien, and South Hills all three within a half point of one another seem plausible to most.

    This works because the soft teams play other soft teams and the teams who aspire to more play better teams who also play better teams who not coincidentally are in the better leagues . . . OK?

    Almost anything else has too much subjective mumbo jumbo, you know, like Ramirez’ big picture thing although in Baseball you do always have the bigstudstarpitcherwhocanbeatanyone thing.

    Amat has Paez, Glendora has several, Damien, South Hills and Bonita have . . .?

  • kh

    sgv man,
    i like all the blogs.
    lots of great stuff,you too b-nut.and my bud dons always on fire.
    tiring to rate teams on strenght vs opponents..
    not easy .i mean some key players could of been bang up playing football soccer,and wrestling,so you kind of think mid way thru the season every bodys heathly.then n.v. ace goes down.cant say for other programs but except for a pulled hammie at 3 sack bonita on all cyclinders.staff is heathly,pine just keep moewing down every body when given the ball.
    to give you all alittle bite of some top teams we played and beat early in the pre season cory l trny.
    sweep thru it .
    bishop gorman
    alta loma
    glendora
    s.h.
    championship game chino hills.
    so you cant say we havnt faced any top rated good teams,
    i know been told nobody but bonita tried in that trny.
    with those five win it put this group of kids at 24-4-1.
    the only game we got our sack lunch handed to us was clairmont.
    at that time we where 1-2-1 after that were 18-2
    some guys have really step up for us and the other guys are doing and making the most they can, put in the situation there in.its a team effort and the team that plays best together will rise to the to.

    i would vote dan henly for coach of the year.
    he is doing just what was asked of him.
    take a highly bunch of kids who have played together for years and kept them focused,with there blinkers on.
    great job MR. DAN HENLEY
    and the rest of your staff.

  • Baseball NUT!

    KH,

    WHERE AND WHEN was this Cory Lidle Tourney? You still haven’t said when. WAS it in December in street clothes? And in PRE SEASON? What is preseason in baseball? I thought South HIlls opened up in the Don Lugo tourney, and Glendora opened up in their own tourney, WHEN games were allowed to start, the FIRST Saturday in March. No record of it ANYWHERE!

    Anyway,

    GOOD LUCK TO EVERYONE’S FAVOITE teams. Lets hope you all get the seedings you want. I follow AMAT since I graduated there, and then S/H as my son went there. Going to be a good discussion. I will chime in later, as I need to get a half day of work done then its OFF TO STAPLES FOR GAME # 1

  • Baseball NUT!

    Last thing:

    In a earlier post way down below, I put out MY top seeds, AND who I thought would be in the FINALS.
    Lets get the talk going on later or late tonight. Here are my CHAMPIONS IN DIVISIONS 1-5 plus the BEST team who could “sneak” in REMEMBER THESE are from MY opinion ONLY.

    AGAIN GOD LUCK to ALL SGV teams in CIF, and lets show the Southern section as a whole we can play ball!

    DIVISION 1 CHAMP——- ROYAL ( look out for ORANGE LU )

    DIVISION II CHAMP—— CHAMINADE ( look out for EL TORO )

    DIVISION III CHAMP—– SOUTH HILLS ( look out for BONITA, also watch out for Charter Oak)

    DIVISION IV CHAMP—— BISHOP AMAT ( look out for PALM DESERT)

    DIVISION V CHAMP—— MONTCLAIR PREP ( look out for WOODCREST CHRST.)

    With the LUCK of the draw EVERY team here COULD REACH the FINAL. HOW AMAZING would it be to have OUR tiny area represent?
    AMAT, NORTHVIEW in DIV IV

    GLENDORA,DAMIEN, OR D/B, in DIV II

    SOUTH HILLS, BONITA, OR CHARTER OAK in DIV III

    I am cheering for Sierra Vista, and LP as well in DIV V

    We could OWN the FINALS!!!!

    Good luck guys, and have FUN!

  • kh

    baseball nut.
    its played in street clothers because the school wont break out the boxes from storage and wash the bugs off,
    wait for the booster money then we get the uniforms.
    come on the trny been going strong now for about 4 years maybe,am not on the committed broad ask the fly on the wall he can give you details of dates time location.
    its for a great things,come to think about it bishop gorman won it three years ago chino hills two and bonita this year,so you can down play it all you want but its not about me or your a wife and son and family lost there loved one so thats it.and i have never been in a game where i wasnt trying to win.
    coach smith was on a roll ,he empity out the whole dug-out sending them down the left field line in the third because he was so pissed off we were kicking there as nut,oh one more things all the players play in there mothers farorite moms high heels.because the trny means nothing we all play led zepplin as loud as the speakers can handle it.

    the real season starts now,and you missed spelled a word the other day ,i think you used two ss in last, lsst, last week, same on u.
    the blog police would of hung me high and dry.
    just playing ,come introduce yourself to don and i we usally hang behind home plate,have you seen bonita play this year,i think dons kid will run away with athlete of the year,all cif football and after the baseball season he used get the same horons.
    but what dose k.h. know just some dad pulling for someone elses kid.
    we are not team players its all about us.what numbers we would of had batting in the top 5 spots.but somebody has to give up the stats to be a team player right,they moved him up one game. he hit 500,with 2 rbi,you do the math.2 x 23 =46-half =23 on a bad day.right on top.so i laugh at people who cant see whats happening.
    when you hit behind the cather who has 18 single and 6 walks that means 24 out of your 59 at bat theres a big guy who goes sattion to station .your 2b 3b rbi sb are a thing of the past.so in closing if anything the season has made him the biggest team player.he dosnt complain,we are just happy to be in knotts line-up-.all we want is the ring everybody else can have the awards for the coaches.
    go bearcats.man theres guys on the bench ,i fill for thats the hardest thing in the world is being a bench player,great job guys.
    c
    go bearsats

  • GGOD THING ABOUT THAT

    kh,
    Good thing you were not on the committed broad just imagine what the fly on the wall would have to say about that incident. Is there a chance she was this Miss Spell you referred to in one of your posts .

  • SGVMan

    I agree with kh. Mr. Dan Henley coach of the year! Toughest Div. and the most pressure to win. Also congrats on your son Nolans season at Bonita .412 ba.