Athletically motivated transfer trend continues

The Times’ Eric Sondheimer has been busy reporting on one athletically motivated transfer after another, and it appears coaches are growing tired of the rule and how it’s enforced. Just today, The Southern Section has declared junior quarterback Chase Favreau from Huntington Beach Edison ineligible for this season, ruling his transfer from Santa Ana Mater Dei was athletically motivated. “We’re pretty much in shock,” Coach Dave White said. White said the lack of the consistency in how the Southern Section decides whether a student moved for athletic reasons concerns him. That’s a shocker, a player transferring from Mater Dei to another school declared athletically motivated. Maybe I’m wrong, but doesn’t that mean Mater Dei would have had to challenge the transfer? White told the O.C. Register they’re not accepting CIF’s decision quietly. “We’re going to fight this one … to the hilt,” White said. “It’s totally ridiculous. … We’ve got some angry people at Edison.” Earlier, Norco had three players declared ineligible for athletically motivated reasons.. “This year, schools are really taking time to protest the transfers,” said Southern Section spokesman Thom Simmons.

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  • geeze

    hopefully it will get so ridiculous they will just throw their hands up and say LET ‘EM ALL PLAY

  • http://www.pasadenasportshalloffame.org PASHOFPAL

    I feel a major change coming to high school football; I’m confident that this year’s “transfer gate” has grabbed the attention of the powers that be and, again, a change is on the way. Picking what school/league has the best “home grown” talent may not be so hard to decide in the years to follow.

    Laurence Todd
    President
    http://www.pasadenasportshalloffame.org

  • hey

    Hey just to let everyone know Chris Gilchrist and Aaren Vaughns just got cleared to play they are no longer in eligable according to CIF

  • King Stud

    The answer here is simple. Parents need to research the school they want their kid to attend while in 7th and 8th grade then no more transfer problems. It’s about time CIF put their foot down.

  • Rules

    A rule is a rule. If your school doesn’t like it; quit playing in the SS CIF. Do you noticed it is all the big school programs crying. Parents you are the problem and your kids are paying the price. Do your homework before getting to high school and make education the priority.

  • theendisnear

    A RULE IS A RULE WHEN IT DOESNT PERTAIN TO YOU, S#$T HEAD.

    NO ONE HAS ANY BUSINESS TELLING A PARENT WHERE THIER KID CAN GO TO SCHOOL, I THOUGHT WE GOT AWAY FROM THAT ABOUT FORTY YEARS AGO.

    THE FACT IS THAT THE CIF ONLY ENFORCES WHAT THE AD’S AND PRINCIPLES WANT. THE CIF DOES NOT MAKE THE RULES.

    WE EITHER PAY THE TAXES OR WE ARE PAYING BY SENDING OUR KID TO A PRIVATE SCHOOL, EITHER WAY ITS OUR MONEY.

    ITS ALL YOU IDIOTS COMMING ON HERE AND COMPLAINING AND NOT DOING A DAMN THING AT YOUR DISTRICT.

    CASE IN POINT, BASSETT, 99.9% HISPANIC HIRES OUT OF TOWN NO CLUE SNOT NOSE, SIERRA VISTA IN THE DUMPS NO ONE CARES, BLAIR TOP RATED ATHLETES IN STATE AND A CIRCUS,CANT BEAT WEAK LEAGUE.

    NOW TELL ME SHOULD KIDS IN THOSE AREAS BE ALLOWED TO LEAVE OR BE FORCED TO SUCK ALONG WITH PROGRAM.

    TELL ME THIS SQUIRT, WHY CAN AN A.D. OR PRINCIPLE OR COACH LEAVE FOR BETTER SITUATION OR PAY OR BENEFITS WHEN THEY WANT WITH NO PENALTY, AND BE COACHING SOMEPLACE ELSE THE NEXT SEASON.

    THE ANSWER IS THIS GET OUT OF THE CIF, GO BACK TO BANTAMS AND JR BANTAMS, OR ALLOW KIDS TO TRANSFER WHERE AND WHEN THEY DAM WANT TO ITS UPTO THE SCHOOL TO ACCEPT THEM ANYWAY.

    THIS PROBLEM WILL CONTINUE BECAUSE PARENTS DONT GET INVOLVED, 10 YEARS FROM NOW THERE WILL ONLY BE A FEW SCHOOLS PLAYING FOOTBALL ON PUBLIC LEVEL ANYWAY THE GAME WILL BE AT THE PRIVATE AND CLUB LEVEL REAL SOON.

    THEN YOU CAN BLOG HOW GREAT THE OLD DAYS WERE YOU LITTLE PISS ANT.

  • Lance R

    I am sure after this year CIF will make it CLEAR to parents, coaches,school AD’s and Players about the transfer rule reguarding not just football but all sports. Kids are just dumping their programs and just showing up to the school of choice and think they are playing football for that team. It is not that easy as you can see with some ignoring the rules. Maybe CIF has not yelled loud enough about the rule so most take it for granted, but in the end the player gets the shaft. Time for the rule to be posted loud and clear so players do not lose out on their senior season by a athletically motivated transfer. Like a no parking sign a sign should be posted at all HS campuses.

  • Lance R

    I am sure after this year CIF will make it CLEAR to parents, coaches,school AD’s and Players about the transfer rule reguarding not just football but all sports. Kids are just dumping their programs and just showing up to the school of choice and think they are playing football for that team. It is not that easy as you can see with some ignoring the rules. Maybe CIF has not yelled loud enough about the rule so most take it for granted, but in the end the player gets the shaft. Time for the rule to be posted loud and clear so players do not lose out on their senior season by a athletically motivated transfer. Like a no parking sign a sign should be posted at all HS campuses.

  • Lance R

    I am sure after this year CIF will make it CLEAR to parents, coaches,school AD’s and Players about the transfer rule reguarding not just football but all sports. Kids are just dumping their programs and just showing up to the school of choice and think they are playing football for that team. It is not that easy as you can see with some ignoring the rules. Maybe CIF has not yelled loud enough about the rule so most take it for granted, but in the end the player gets the shaft. Time for the rule to be posted loud and clear so players do not lose out on their senior season by a athletically motivated transfer. Like a no parking sign a sign should be posted at all HS campuses.

  • ???

    There will always be politically motivated transfers…However, in this day amd age not everyone can afford the private school sector. The parents may begin thinking it is a great idea but what happens when mom or dad lose their job and the kid is forced to relocate. It is happening because the private schools can always come to save the day by offering tuition assistance because they are at their caps due to low enrollment.

    I would fight this new CIF ruling for the Mater Dei transfer. It is ridiculous. Not everyone has $17,000 a year disposable income for Mater Dei.

    Some of you bloggers need to think outside the box. A kid shouldn’t have to stay and put his parents in financial ruin for the sake of staying with one school. At least in this scenario.

  • News Flash Los Altos attempting CIF Block

    Los Altos attempted to block one of their top freshmens from last year from transferring to Wilson. Out of all the players transferring out of LA this seams to be the only one they attempted to block. School administration and the coaching staff meet with the parents and player and threaten them if they transfer to Wilson they will do everything in their power to make sure their son will not be eligible to play. This isnt the only incident another family meet with school administration and the coaching staff and the same threat was made. That player transferred to Rowland instead of Wilson to avoid the conflict. The sudden change in heart from school administration came when the parent setup an appointment with Fred at the Tribune. The parent was going public with all the threats. The parent notified the school of his intent and the school withdrawn its compliant with CIF the same day, Friday.

  • sgvball

    Los Altos attempting CIF Block

    If the kid was that great, why would he transfer to Wilson, when there are much better programs in the area.

    Get over yourselves, parents.

  • Where

    sgvball,

    Overall what school in the area would you send your child to instead of Wilson? I would have thought Wilson would clearly be the best choice. I know education wise they always score higher than the other schools in that area. Their football program definitely looks like it is heading in the right direction.

  • Rules

    Did I hit a nerve theendisnear? You are right the A.D.s and Principals in SS CIF section agreed with this rule. So your problem with them applying this rule is what. Why are you so mad every parent has choices I just said make them to better their education not sports. Bring on Club Sports! Yours truly, LITTLE PISS ANT

  • General Turgidson

    There are no words to describe how angry I am that anyone would consider taking away football from a high school athlete. The people at CIF are cowards. Anyone who agrees with them are cowards. How can I say that you ask? For this one reason:

    Who among you, I say WHO AMONG YOU, would have the gall to look a kid in the eye and tell him to his face that he could not play football because of some rule. And if you could do that? You are worse than a coward.

    I’ve been to 2 world’s fairs and a rodeo and this is the biggest pile of horse manure I have ever heard.

  • THEENDISNEAR

    YOU DID HIT A NERVE, YOU SAP.

    WHEN DID THE ADMINISTRATOR OF A SCHOOL GET SOOOO MUCH POWER, THAT THEY CAN DECIDE WHEN AND WHERE A KID CAN GO TO SCHOOL AND WHEN A FAMILY, A KID, OR PLAYER CAN TRANSFER.

    ITS SAPS LIKE YOU WHO ARE RULING THE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM IN THIS STATE, AND ITS MEAT HEADS LIKE YOU WHO WILL EVENTUALLY SEND FOOTBALL TO THE CLUB LEVEL.

    ANSWER THIS YOU LOW LEVEL HACK: WHY CAN A PRINCIPAL OR A.D. OR TEACHER/COACH GO WHEREVER THEY WANT WHEN THEY WANT AND NO PENALTY, BUT LET A 16 OR 17 YEAR OLD KID TRY TO PLAY BALL SOMEPLACE ELSE AND THE WHOLE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM USES THE RULES TO SCREW HIM ROYALLY.

    HOW DOES A MAN HAVE A BIBLE STUDY AND THEN TURN AROUND A SCREW SOME 17 YEAR OLD OUT OF HIS SENIOR YEAR OF FOOTBALL? YOU KNOW WHO IM TALKING ABOUT! HOW DOES HE FEEL AT NIGHT WHEN HE GOES HOME”” “WOW I REALLY SHOWED THAT KID” HELL, NEVER FORGET THE TIME HE TRIED TO CROSS MY PROGRAM. PATHETIC

    YOUR THE SAME TYPE OF MORON WHO CRIES OBEY THE RULES UNTIL THEY PERTAIN TO HIM. IF THIS WAS YOUR SON I BET YOU WOULD BE CRYING A DIFFERENT TUNE.

    IF YOU THINK YOUR WITS ARE ADEQUATE ANSWER MY ORIGINAL QUESTION, WHY CAN THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE MONEY MOVE AROUND WHERE AND WHEN THEY WANT: THE PRINCIPAL’S THE A.D.’S AND THE COACHES WITH NO REPROCUSSIONS, BUT LET A KID TRY TO MOVE TO A BETTER SITUATION AND HE’S f#$KED.

    YOU CAN SEND A 13 YEAR OLD GIRL TO A DOCTOR WITHOUT THIER PARENTS KNOWING, BUT TRY TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT SCHOOL AND THEY WILL MAKE SURE YOU PAY FOR IT. ANSWER THESE ISSUES YOU MENTAL MIDGET, THE PROBLEM WITH EFFEMINATE MALES LIKE YOU IS NOTHING GETS YOU MAD.

    SO WHAT DOES GET YOU MAD? THE FACT THAT PARENTS WANT TO MOVE? OR THAT THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE THE MONEY OFF OF OUR TAXES CAN GO WHEREVER THEY WANT AND WHENEVER THEY WANT FOR WHATEVER RFEASON AND NO REPROCUSSIONS?… AND STILL BE ELEGABLE THE VERY SAME SEASON.

    IF IT APPLIES TO KIDS IT SHOULD APPLY TO OUR OVER PRICED ADMINISTRATORS. IF A COACH OR A.D. MOVES HE MUST SIT OUT A YEAR AND NOT BE ELEGABLE TO COACH FOR ONE YEAR FROM THE DATE OF THE MOVE. HE STILL GETS PAID BUT HE CANNOT COACH. THAT WILL FIX ALL THE ISSUES AND THEN ALL THE SO CALLED RELIGIOUS PEOPLE CAN BE HONEST AND CARING ADULTS AGAIN.

    WHOS SIDE ARE YOU ON, MAKE A DAMN CHOICE YOU PISS ANT, FOR THE PLAYER OR THE SYSTEM.

  • http://www.pasadenasportshalloffame.org PASHOFPAL

    Gentlemen/Ladies:

    Let’s get a few things straight. First, high school football is not a right, it’s a privilege. Second, it’s not the reason we send our kids to school. Yes, there are great rewards at the end of the mighty end zone, but none trumph an education. Hence, the problem with athletically motivated transfers.

    Besides,whatever happen to school pride? Win or lose, I’m a PHS bull dog for life. How many “transfer” will say the same about their school?

    Laurence Todd
    President
    http://www.pasadenasportshalloffame.org

  • it should be a right

    That’s where we disagree, high school sports are a right, not a privelage. Sports are a right when you’re attending high school, achieve the grades, are a good citizen on campus, and are selected to a team by your coaches. No different than cheerleading, the band, the chess club, or any other extra curricular activity. If someone can give me a reasonable answer why sports are discriminated against when it comes to the eligibility of extra curricular activities, please explain.

  • To pasphoral

    To further the previous comment, nobody is saying that an education isn’t important, I believe one of the kids at Baldwin Park and the Canada kid both got scholarships, even being ineligible their senior years. That means they must have been good students. The problem here is that as a society we have different beliefs, some believe kids should stay at their schools, some believe they should go wherever they want. We have to stop imposing our beliefs on others, it’s a parent and childs decision, who are we to question their motives or how they choose to raise their kids. I mean, we’re talking about sports, not physical abuse, not drugs, not anything illegal, sports. We take this way too seriously. I don’t see what good comes out of telling a kid he can’t play sports if he’s working hard and making the grades. Not only might he lose a scholarship opportunity and one of the best years of his life, his senior year, but it could lead to depression, and hanging out with the wrong crowd or drugs now that sports are taken away. Is that what we want? I wish there was a lawyer who could tackle, at the very face this is athletic discrimination when it comes to extra curricular activities. Why the two sets of rules?

  • General Turgidson

    To the last two comments: THANK YOU FOR BEING MEN. Mr. Todd… That comment is completely illogical. I would like for you to explain to me how KIDS transferring is bad for education. You tell me that! I am incredibly angry and I think that you have no idea what you are talking about. You explain to me how someone wanting to play ball somewhere else is detrimental to education.

    Secondly… Just becuase something is not granted to us in writing doesn’t mean its not a right. IT IS MY RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER I WANT so long as i’m not harming anyone. This is America and it is no one else’s damn business what I want to do or where my kid plays football.

    I’m sure you at the illustrious and prestigous pasadena sports hall of fame have considered this haven’t you?

    Again, to the last two posters… I salute you.

    Laurence Todd… you are a pinhead. If you think that I’m being too harsh, maybe you should’ve thought about you’re inane comment before you laced it with sarcasm. Get a dictionary if you don’t know what that word means.

    And get yourself a copy of the constitution… no one has the right to tell us what to do.

    Nice shooting soldier.

  • General Turgidson

    I want to say one more thing… there was a time not too long ago where people did have the right to tell you where you had to go to school. But Mr. Todd, maybe you don’t have that much of a problem with the school system in the South of the 1960′s. Maybe you think that the government and beaureaucrats had the right to tell the black kids that they couldn’t go to school with the white kids. Well in the real America we have a problem with that.

    I say let the kids go wherever they want to get and I say YOU HAVE GUTS if you are willing to switch schools for a sport. Kids taking risks like that should be lauded.. not punished.

    Not even close… el presidente.

  • THEENDISNEAR

    NOW THAT WAS A GREAT POST FINALLY SOME MEN ON THIS BLOG THAT HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE AND SOME NUTS TO SPEAK AS MEN.

    AS FOR THE OTHER PISS ANT WHO SPOKE ON THIS ISSUE, IT IS A RIGHT AND OUR TAX DOLLARS SAY IT IS, AS LONG AS HE IS WILLING TO BE A PART OF THIS TEAM, CONDUCT HIMSELF AS A GOOD CITIZEN, AND KEEP UP HIS GRADES HE IS GIVEN THAT RIGHT.

    YOU ARE AN COMPLETE A$$ TO CALL THIS A PRIVILEDGE, AN EDUCATION IN THIS COUNTRY IS A PRIVALIDGE TO ALL OF US ITS A PRIVALEDGE WE ALL PAY FOR IT SO WE ALL CAN BE PRIVALEDGED. YOU ARE A NITT WITT.

    ONCE AGAIN FOR YOU AND THE REST OF THE MENTAL MIDGETS ANSWER THE QUESTION SH$T HEAD. WHY CAN A A.D. A TEACHER A COACH A ADMINISTRATOR SWITCH SCHOOLS AND NOT BE PENELAIZED.

    ISNT IT ALSO A PRIVALEDGE TO TEACH AND COACH IN THIS GREAT COUNTRY, AND BE PAID BY OUR HARD EARNED TAX DOLLARS.

    WE SHOULD ALL HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS TEACHERS A.D.’S AND ADMINISTRATORS TO BE ABLE TO MOVE AROUND AS WE WISH.

    WHAT IS YOUR ISSUE HERE SO YOU LIKE YOUR SCHOOL, GREAT, WAS IT THE SAME TYPE OF INVIRONMENT THE KIDS HAVE TO GET THRU NOW.

    AND HOW OFTEN HAVE YOU MOVED OR HOW MANY JOBS HAVE YOU HAD, YOU ARE SUCH A NARROW MINDED NITT WITT.

    ITS GREAT THAT YOU ARE IN SOME KIND OF SELF EDIFYING CLUB THAT YOU ARE IN,IM SORRY TO HURT YOUR PSYCHE, IT MEANS SQUAT TO THE KIDS PLAYING TODAY WHAT CLUB YOUR IN.

    ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU FLEE.

  • It should be a right

    I’m gonna make one final point, and that is that the CIF offices have no business ruling on the eligibility of athletes based on what school they’re attending. They can rule on everyone else, but not the fundamental right of high school kids to play sports because they moved from one school to another, that is between the schools. If a kid goes from West Covina to South Hills or South Hills to Charter Oak, it’s up to the school districts to check the addresses, and if coach has a beef, he can complain to a school if a kid has transferred while living out of the district, and if it’s a legitimate move, it’s a legitimate move, no matter what the reasons. As far as private schools, more power to you if you have the financial wherewithall to transfer your kid from a public to a private school, nobody’s business but yours. Now if you want CIF to address anything, maybe they should address separating public and private school playoff divisions. For years we’ve been talking about private schools having an unfair advantage over public schools because of boundaries. Wouldn’t CIF be better served trying to solve the injustices between public and privates rather than playing judge and jury over the lives of kids because of where they go to school.

  • Rules

    You are right I just want to follow the RULES. And why should all the other kids doing it right have to change because your mad. Let a kid transfer to any school he wants I don’t care. But until the rule is over turned guess what? Also if you want punish coaches, Principals, AD’s. But do not take away my rights to follow a CIF rule and ask others to do the same just because your mad. I pretty sure it is my right stated by the Constitution. Well I guess my job is done here not man enough for you guys; Yours Truly the Flea or was it piss ant.

  • THEENDISNEAR

    YOU JUMPED INTO THE RING, NOW WHOS TO BLAME.

    RATHER THAN ANSWER THE QUESTION YOU CRY ABOUT JUST WANTING TO FOLLOW THE RULES.

    YOUR RIGHT YOU ARENT MAN ENOUGH, RATHER THAN TRY TO PROVE YOUR UNPROVABLE POINT YOU CHANGE THE SUBJECT.

    THE DISCUSSION WAS NEVER ABOUT PUBLIC VERSES PRIVATE, WHERE IN THE WORLD DID YOU GET TO THAT ISSSUE ON THIS BLOG.

    YOU ARE TOO DIM WITTED TO SEE YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT YOU STATED THAT I WANT TO PUNISH COACHES, PUNISH THEM BY FOLLOWING THE SAME IDIOTIC RULES THE KIDS HAVE TO FOLLOW.

    YOU ARE A HALF WITT, A MERE CHILD TO COME ON HERE AND TRY TO DEFEND THE CONTROLLING ENTITY.ITS THE KIDS WHO GET SCREWED HERE.

    BEFORE YOU RUN WITH YOUR TAIL, ANSWER THE QUESTION,WHY DO THE COACHES AND ADMINS GET TO MOVE WHERE AND WHEN FOR WHATEVER REASON, ARENT THEY HERE FOR THE KIDS NOT VICE VERSA.

    IM NOT MAD I AM ACTUALLY RATHER PLEASED FOR YOU TO COME ON HERE IN FRONT OF APPROX 20 THOUSAND VIEWERS AND PROVE OUR POINT.

    WHERE WAS THE SOUTH HILLS ADMIN LAST YEAR WHEN THE CANADAS WERE PRACTICING WITH THIER TEAM, WHY WERENT YOU ON HERE CRYING FOR THE RULES THEN.

    WHY DONT YOU CHECK LAST YEARS ROSTER AND SEE HOW MANY KIDS TRANSFERRED INTO THIER SCHOOL, AND DO THE SAME FOR ALL THE OTHER SCHOOLS AND COACHES AND A.D.’S THAT ARE BITCHING NOW.

    HYPOCRITES ALL OF THEM AND I HOPE NONE ARE CALLING THEMSELVES RELIGIOUS WHAT A BAD EXAMPLE, USE THE RULES WHEN THEY SCREW YOUR COMPETITOR, AND FORGET THEM WHEN THEY DONT BENEFIT YOU.

  • Rules

    Rules! Rules! Rules! Good Night.

  • PSEUDO DREAMS

    All of this recent flap demonstrates the overemphasis on athletics at every level. Every kid and most of their parents that straps on a helmet or swings the bat dreams that someday they will turn pro and receive a fat contract. For all but a very select few the dream never comes close to fruition. Even from that small pool that someday is drafted, the overwhelming majority never come up even for that cup of coffee. And of those that actually succeed, the majority wind up broke five years after their abbreviated career is finished. It is long past due that CIF imposes and enforces some very strict rules. Perhaps then these kids and their over doting parents will begin to realize that fantasy rarely equals reality.

  • Thank You

    Nicely said PSEUDO DREAM!

  • Dee

    Doesn’t anyone realize the real reason for the boarders, and school boundries? Its to keep our schools from being over crowded and our kids better educated. You know the teacher to student ratio. There has to be this rule in order to keep some sort of sanity in the schools. If all athletes we allowed to pick where they play and are educated, it would be crazy! You have cry baby kids and parents too, that if not played in the right position or given enough playing time right away they want to switch schools. Then they would start to school hop! If the transfer gates were more liberal. This in turn would not only effect the teams but it will effect non-athletic students. Because they will be sitting in over crowed, under supplied class rooms. I dont know about you all but I teach education comes first! Cause what happens when your athlete gets hurt and cant play anymore. Gotta give him/her something to fall back on. Unless you’re willing to house and feed them till your gone!

  • It’s All About Money

    Dee,

    Sorry but that may have been the reason in the old days. With the schools strapped for money just about every public school is open enrollment. A matter a fact Rowland Unified School district is suing Walnut Unified School district because the way they are pulling Rowlands kids into their school district. I heard the principal over at Los Altos is getting hammered by her district for the continued decline in enrollment over the last few years over at Los Altos.

    It’s all about money.

  • http://www.pasadenastarnews.com PASHOFPAL

    Readers—- my last introduction i.e, “Gentlemen/Ladies” was not to be insulting – females also blog about sports. It was not an insult, so this “pin head” apologizes.

    Just learned of a student in Texas who transferred from Oklahoma except that the family didn’t live in Texas – they only purchased a home in the area so that he could have an address to attend that school….and play football. Transfers are getting out of hand; something has go to be done.

    Nevertheless, it’s time to play football. Let’s debate the School vs. CIF authority over the athletes, etc. when the season is over.

    Laurence Todd
    President
    http://www.pasadenasportshalloffame.org

  • rights of the invidual

    Parents pay Their taxes to the state of California. If a parent moves to a new city for any reason, their kids have the right to go to that school in that district, and they should be able to participate in sports. Schools get funds and teachers based on the number of students. Its on “need basis” So if they get a new student, they should get more funding, and if they lose one, they lose the funding. I wonder is this about funding, teacher to student ratio, or winning? Schools are Public institutions. Parents want their kids to have the best high school experience academically,socially and athletically. It is obvious that all public schools, don’t have the same resources. If you want to make kids stay home grown, then give all the public schools, the same fields, the same stadiums, same facilities the same uniforms, the same transportation the same amount of playing time. Take away individual school districts. Make them all equally good or bad. But you can’t and you won’t Until this happens, what right do we have to tell kids they can’t go somewhere they feel is better for them. Some schools don’t even have grass. Some have wt rooms that can only handle 10 players at a time. What happens if the coach you came to play for gets fired in your tenth grade year, should be forced to play for another coach? Everyone knows schools fire coaches, or coaches leave all the time. Why should the kid have to stay? If you care about these kids, let them go where they can be happy? I mean what are really teaching them. Their is not loyalty in corpations. They lay off people left and right. Even if you were a 20 year employee? These same people who are kicking up dust, are the same people who leave their job for a better job in a heartbeat. For some people, Its business when it comes to your education and Athletics. Why are these schools taking it so personal? Maybe it’s business for them too. It’s the parents money that funds all this anyway. If you don’t like the product, go find a better one. Its a person’s right to go to school where they want, as long as they live in the city, and pay their taxes. Why should your kid have to go to a crappy school and some other kid get to go great school. We both pay taxes. I’m sending my kid to where i feel he has the best experience and you would to.

  • SGV For 30 Years

    Rights:

    You are making it sound like we are talking about big business here. We are talking about high school sports. The problem is that no matter what the rules are, there are going to be those who abuse them. Here is a thought for some parents: First if you are going to relocate, make sure you do your homework on the schools in the areas you are thinking about moving into. Second make sure there is a good balance of academics and athletics. Third when little Johnny or Suzy comes home and tells you that he or she isn’t getting treated right, you are only getting one side of the story. Take some time to meet the coach, attend some practices. Don’t get caught in all the hype stirred up by people with an ax to grind. Fourth there’s always going to be times when things aren’t going to go well. That’s part of what sports teaches us. How to endure the rough times. Lastly remember playing athletics if a privilage, not a right.
    As a parent, all of you need to look to the case of the player who transfered schools multiple times because dad was always looking for greener pastures. He basically ruined his sons whole high school football experience looking to make him a star. Only to find out in the end that if he had stayed put in the first place he may have been able to fulfill his full potential. That’s just one story of many others the are out there.

    SGV430 Ouuut!!!!

  • Rights

    @SGV Fan for 30 years
    No matter how you spin it, if a parent wants to ruin that kids career, thats between that family. Coaches should let a kid go if he wants to go. Period, once you get coaches trying to complain and cry, the bring the entegrity of the program down. They show their team that one player deserves all that attention or that one player is going to make or break their season. As a Former coach, you can not givet one kid that power. Why would you want your team exposed to that cancerous attitude. You can develop kids, but you can raise them.

  • Dee

    @rights,
    You say we should let parents go ahead and ruin there childs life. Please isnt that what school teachers, counselors and coaches and there for? Is to help and protect the kids. The constant seeking of better schools or coaches and it affecting kids in a negative way is some sort of abuse. And if need be monitored by school officials should be done (It is part of there job). There are too many parents out there living there dreams through there kids. Pushing there kids to the limit and running there lives for them. You talk about paying your taxes and schools getting funding per student. But what you dont realize is it takes over a year for all this to be calculated and adjusted. So in the mean time while lets say a school count was 1300 students at end of last year now with all the transfers its 1530. The school is only provided funding for the 1300 till all red tape is cleared. Its not an overnight adjustment its a year! So 1530 students have to work with supplies, teachers and staffing for 1300. Hope you see why if the flood gates are open for transfers it could have a very negative effect. All in all its about education. Have you ever heard of a student requesting a transfer because of a teacher (that is not a coach) changed schools?

  • SGV For 30 Years

    Right:

    I do agree with you that no one player should have that kind of power over a program. My experience has been that the team will still play no matter if that player is there or not. Coaches really don’t have any power over letting kids transfer in or out of schools. That up to the AD and Admin at the school. I also agree that in some circumstances that one transfer may be good for the kid. Sometimes it’s just not the right fit. What I’m against is parents shopping their kids around or trying to figure out how to go play with Johnny Superstar. Basically pimping their kids out. Almost like one of those child stars who gets robbed of their childhood. If I’m the coach getting that kid that has been to 3 or 4 different schools I don’t know if I would be willing to put my trust in that kid. I would also be worried about the message I was sending to the rest of my players who have been loyal to my program. I don’t want my kids going into battle with someone who I know that as soon as it get tough they are out of there. The bottom line is that there is no easy answer to all these transfers. This is the first year that I can remember that CIF has actually stepped up and said we are going to do something about it. If I know my kid will lose a year by transfering schools I would have to ask myself, “is it really worth it”? I also believe that if someone is truley gifted, scouts will find him/her. Right, you make some good points but I just don’t think it’s as cut and dried as you think.

    SGV430 Ouuut!!!

  • Shame on “us” all

    “no player should have that power over a program”…two words. Brett Farve!

    How do you think made, wrote, suggested, encouraged, manufactured, instituted, coerced, wrangled, manipulated ect ect ect the “transfer” guidelines/rules/guidelines/criteria and punishments?…one word. COACHES

    That’s right CIF only ENFORCES rules.

    The simple fact is coaches shift gears all the time. What’s good for them isn’t good for others, for far too many of these men.

    For every Le Duc and Layton there is the numb nuts that want to show the world a thing or two about who’s in charge.

    If a player feels his chances for a scholarship is enhanced or he just ants to get from under a coach he doesn’t mess with or if he’s full of BS and dreams of the Pros without a ounce of reality …who are we to say it’s not his right to move on.

    Let’s at least attack the source of the problem, the coaches and ADs who don’t have anyone’s best interest at heart but are all BUTT HURT for all the world to see. WHAT A COMPLETE DISGRACE.

    I always said Bogan was a sideline Bully and Over Rated…this only supports my position. What a waste of a career and reputation to come after the SH kids that wanted out. Shame on Bogan.

  • COChargerfan

    In all this talk about parents living vicariously through their kids, the real problem is being missed, which is, the CIF is denying eligibility to kids who have moved their legal residence within the boundaries of a new school. So, despite the fact that these kids have a LEGAL right to attend the new school, the CIF declares them ineligible. This is big brother imposing upon the rights of people to make their own free choices regardless of what criteria (e.g. academics, friends, sports, etc.) they use to make that choice.

    And come on Dee, there isn’t going to be some mass sports related transfers that overload a school because out of district kids have to be invited by the school and, unless the new school is a District of Choice, they must also be released by the old school.

    And Dee, the District of Choice program allows schools with such a designation to raid the best students away from other schools…it is happening before our eyes and the result is that the rich are getting richer and the poor schools are getting poorer. And this is all being allowed by the powers that run our state and educational system. Hmm, why is this so different that kids wanted to change schools for sports reasons?

    Here’s an example of the absurdity of the “athletically motivated” rule. An academically and athletically gifted kid completes his soph year at a poorly performing school and decides that he wants to transfer to a better District of Choice school that offers a more challenging curriculum. Not surprising, the new school also has a better football program. Now, the old school can’t challenge the transfer but, whoa, they can stop him by playing sports for a year but saying that it was “athletically motivated.”

    Another problem is that the CIF doesn’t define exactly what “athletically motivated” means nor is their any sort of percentage threshold (say 51%) that must be met. In the above example, the kid’s motivation to transfer may have been 90% for academics and 10% for athletics but at 1% the CIF can declare him ineligible.

    I’ve said over and over, the educators that run our schools have a real screwed up set of priorities when they worry more about athletic transfers than allowing a kid to play sports at the school of their choice…especially considering that the kids have a legal right to attend that school.

  • THEENDISNEAR

    THE BOTTOM LINE IS NOT THE MONEY YOU SAP, AND FLEE, IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A POINT THEN AT LEAST STAY ON TOPIC.

    WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A FEW KIDS THAT ACTUALLY TRANSFER FOR ATHLETIC REASONS, IF YOU KNEW THE TRUE NUMBERS YOU WOULD NOT MAKE SUCH STATEMENTS.

    THE TRUE ISSUE HERE IS CONTROL YOU FOOL, WHO HAS CONTROL OVER A STUDENT THE PARENT OR THE SYSTEM.

    THIS IS THE ONLY THING AT ISSUE HERE YOU CHILD,IS THE FACT THAT YOUR RIGHTS ARE BEING TAKEN AT EVERY INCH AND YOU ARE TOO STUPID TO SEE IT WHAT A SAD EXCUSE FOR AN ADULT.

    YOU GET TO PAY THE TAXES FOR EDUCATION BUT YOU HAVE NO SAY WHERE YOUR CHILD CAN PARTICIPATE.

    THIS IS STRAIGHT OUT OF THE 1950′S.

    AND WHAT PROBLEM IS IT TO YOU IF SOMEONE LIVES THRU THIER CHILD, RIGHT OR WRONG ITS NON OF YOUR DAM BUSINESS SH$T FOR BRAINS, WHO PUT YOU IN CHARGE OF SOMEONE ELSE’S KID OR WHEN THEY CHANGE SCHOOLS OR WHY.

    ANY A#@ WIPE WHO COMES ON HERE DEFENDING THE ACTIONS OF THESE HYPOCRITE COACHES A.D.’S AND PRINCIPALS IS A SUCK A#@.

    LIKE I SAID EARLIER HOW MANY TRANSFERS DID SOUTH HILLS GET LAST YEAR, WHAT A TRUE EXAMPLE TO THE PEOPLE OF HIS COMMUNITY, THIS IS A TRUE COWARD AND GUTLESS MOVE.

    MORE KIDS TRANSFER TO SCHOOLS EVERY YEAR TO GET INTO A GOOD BAND PROGRAM OR CHIOR, OR MUSICAL DEPARTMENTS, OR BECAUSE A CERTAIN SCHOOL HAS A BETTER MATH OR SCIENCE DEPARTMENT, THE NUMBERS DWARF THE ATHLETIC TRANSFERS, I QUESS ITS BECAUSE THOSE KIDS ARE MOSTLY A DIFFERENT RACE AND WE DONT WANT TO BRING THAT INTO THE SUBJECT DO WE.

    AND FINALLY ALL YOU NOVICE THINKERS OUT THERE ON THE ISSUE, ANSWER THIS QUESTION WHY CAN A COACH AN A.D. OR PRINCIPAL MOVE TO ANOTHER SCHOOL FOR WHATEVER REASON AND NOT BE PENALIZED, WHY CANT A PLAYER. A COACH CAN MOVE FOR A BETTER SCHOOL DISTRICT, MORE PAY A NICER ZIP CODE, BETTER BENEFITS, A NEW POSITION OR WHATEVER REASON, BUT BE A 16 OR 17 YEAR OLD KID TRYING TO GET TO A BETTER LIFE SITUATION AND THE ENTIRE EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM TRIES TO SCREW HIM.

    ALL YOU ADMINS IN THIS VALLEY ARE REALLY CHICKEN S%$T TO BE SCREWING KIDS LIKE THIS, WHERE WERE ALL THE SOUTH HILLS COWARDS THE LAST FEW SEASONS WHEN THEY WERE GETTING ALL THE TRANSFERS.

    WHERE DID SIOSI COME FROM WHERE DID RUFIS AT C/OAK COME FROM WHERE WAS THROPAY AT FIRST, ALL OF YOU ARE GUTLESS COWARDS, IF I HAD A KID PLAYING I WOULDNT WANT HIM AROUND ANY OF YOU TWO FACE GUTLESS HACK’S, AND FOR ANSICK AT ST PAUL TO TRY TO WASH HIS HANDS AND PLAME IT ON AN EX PRINCIPAL, HOW POTHETIC, GET THIS SEASON OVER SO THEY CAN GET RID OF YOU, WHAT A SAD ENDING TO A STORIED CAREER.

    YOU FOOLS WHO ARE SCREWING THESE KIDS ARE DOING MORE DAMAGE TO YOUR PROGRAMS THEN ALL THE GOOD YOU THINK YOU HAVE ACCOMPLISED IN THE LAST TEN YEARS.

    I THOUGHT DUARTE WAS A BUNCH OF JACK A$#’S FOR SCREWING THE CANADA BROTHERS BUT YOU JOKERS AT SOUTH HILLS WOW GRADE A SAPS.

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