No Ring to it: What happened to defending champions Charter Oak and San Dimas?

“We know what went wrong. We had seven offensive possessions. We scored on three, turned it over on three and were stopped on fourth down on the other. We beat them up on the stat sheet, but not on the scoreboard. That usually indicates what turnovers can do for you.” Charter Oak coach Lou Farrar after 28-21 loss to Glendora.

“I live next door to the Angels’ third- base coach, and I was asking him if he experienced anything similar in the season after they won the World Series in 2002. He said to put away the rings. That was their biggest mistake, they didn’t do that.” San Dimas coach Bill Zernickow after 41-20 loss to Bonita.


Story: It’s back to the drawing board this week for the only two local teams to win CIF championships last season. When the Charter Oak and San Dimas high school football teams suffered losses in their respective season openers last Friday, it was a good reminder not only to local fans but the players themselves that last season is in the past and the slate has been wiped clean. (To continue, click thread).

“I live next door to the Angels’ third- base coach, and I was asking him if he experienced anything similar in the season after they won the World Series in 2002,” San Dimas coach Bill Zernickow said.

“He said to put away the rings. That was their biggest mistake, they didn’t do that.”

For San Dimas, the harsh reality that last year is a distant memory came in a 41-20 loss to rival Bonita. For Charter Oak, it was a 28-21 defeat to Glendora that featured four turnovers by the Chargers.

“We know what went wrong,” Charter Oak coach Lou Farrar said. “We had seven offensive possessions. We scored on three, turned it over on three and were stopped on fourth down on the other.

“We beat them up on the stat sheet, but not on the scoreboard. That usually indicates what turnovers can do for you.”

Both teams won’t have to wait long, though, for a chance at redemption. San Dimas is heavily favored on the road against South El Monte, and Charter Oak gets a home game with Gardena. Both games are at 7 p.m. Friday.

For the Saints, the Bonita loss wasn’t easily explained by something such as turnovers. Zernickow spotted personnel errors and poor execution when watching the game film, and claims he knows where to put the blame.

“They played harder than we did, and that’s my fault,” said Zernickow, the 2009 Tribune Coach of the Year. “We failed to block the correct guys and took the wrong angles while tackling. We also had our heads down going for the big hit instead of the fundamentals of clamping during a tackle. We’ll get those things corrected.”

It wasn’t all bad for the Saints, according to Zernickow. The offense showed signs of becoming the grinding unit that 13 opponents just couldn’t handle last season.

“A lot of times, I thought we did well,” Zernickow said. “On a lot of plays, we were just a block away. That kills you when you have 10 guys doing their job and one guy takes a break on that play.”

Don’t expect Farrar to put his team through any rigorous running drills as punishment for last Friday’s miscues. The veteran coach says most of the fixes will be made by watching film of what happened.

“We’re not about punishment here,” Farrar said. “My philosophy is let’s keep watching the films and learn from the positives and from the mistakes.”

aram.tolegian@sgvn.com

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  • Done!

    Why try and make this rocket science, its very simple, these two teams were overrated, simple and fact. I do understand these two teams are led by two very fine coaching staffs, but they have to take some of the blame here and a knock or two for not having their teams ready to go from the opening whisle. These are rookie mistakes you’d expect from younger less experienced staffs, not from the proclaimed “Wizard of the wing Z” and “Big Lou”
    Very disappointing, to say the least….
    And love the lil jab by Lou, “we beat them up on the stat sheet, hahaha, thats gotta ruffle a few feathers over at GHS…But we all know, you dont win games on the stat sheets.
    And lastly, I LOVE the new GHS uniforms, they are solid…

  • reality

    Zernikow name dropping that he lives next door to an Angel coach and goes to him for advice?? Look where the Angels are and if he ia a third base coach why are so many guys thrown out at third like Hunter last night? Why not ask Reggie Bush how to be a team leader or the Dodger ownership for family advice? Just admit your team got blasted and quit blaming it on a ring.

  • COChargerfan

    This stats are nothing more than excuses stuff is really starting to annoy me. History proves that the vast majority of the time the team that wins on the stat sheet does win the game…with the most important stat of all arguably being the turnover ratio. Stats help provide an explanation regarding winning vs. losing which is why coaches keep them in the first place AND go over them with the players. The failure of so many bloggers to understand this fact is mind numbing especially considering that every good coach from Pee Wee to the NFL harps on stats and especially turnovers. So listen closely, coaches arent referring to stats to make excuses but because they understand that they provide a quantitative (I apologize to the GH honks for having to use such a big word) explanation of the outcome of a game.

    For you doubters, here’s some 2009 NFL fumbles/interception stats; at the top portion of the list, we have the Packers (+24/30), Eagles (+15/25), Saints (+11/26) and Ravens (+10/22) and at the bottom of the pile are the Lions (-18/9), Rams (-13/8), Raiders (-13/8) and Skins (-11/11). And these teams records were Packers 11-5, Eagles 11-5, Saints 13-3 and Ravens 9-7 and at the bottom of the pile are the Lions 2-14, Rams 1-15, Raiders 5-11 and Skins 4-12. And the Super Bowl Champion Saints had a +7 ratio in the playoffs.

    Im not a gambler but have read that teams that win the turnover stat for a given game cover the spread something like over 90% of the time.

    Now there are some aberrations so spare us from but look at Indys turnover stats argument. Im talking statistical relevance across the league.

    So does any intelligent life form out there still doubt that theres a direct correlation between the final score and the turnover stat? Well, sorry to inform you that if you cant understand this than youve been downgraded to only life form.

    So, stats are not some sort of excuse and, instead, help explain the game quantitatively for those that have the ability and desire to look at the game deeper than scoreboard.

  • stats

    Great point, but you almost must give credit to the team forcing turnovers, for making interceptions, knocking balls loose, etc. Something has to be said about that, which is as much a part of the game as a great pass or big run. You write your own script. Those were great NFL stats you posted, which show me that disciplined football teams don’t make mistakes that cost their team football games, teams with sub .500 records do. Just as rushing, passing and tackling are important stats that all coaches look at, turnover’s can turn into a season-long problem too, something Charter Oak needs to address with the type of schedule they have. Turnovers against Wilson, Los Altos and Bonita may not be as magnified when they’re winn 24-0, but against the competition they face now, a turnover can decide the outcome.

  • CUT AND DRY

    COCF,
    The reality of it is CO lost . Stats or no stats when you have the big turnover stat in your favor you usually lose . You may have won all the other catagories but lost on that one . You may think bloggers do not understand stats but what they don’t understand is you crying on here that your team lost but beat the hell out of Glendora on the stat sheet. Man up accept the fact and move on. You have a patsy in Gardena this Friday which I am sure you will come out on top again in the stats and also the win column. Either way great stats but relate to 1-1 season so far. Time and time the team that wins on the scoreboard 100% of the time wins the game. THAT IS THE ONLY STAT THAT MATTERS JUST ASK ANY COACH.

  • BOOO HOO Charter Oak

    Charter Oak fans just realize that your days of dominating mid level high school football is over. You are with the big boys now! Your days of 10+ win seasons are over. I don’t care if you out gained Glendora by 400 yards….you didn’t win the stat that counts…….Wins & losses. Glendora is no way near the toughest team you will play this year. Chino Hills and Claremont will be much better as will Rancho. Claremont is the dark horse in the Sierra league race this year….my pick for 2nd place.Charter Oak will be clawing for 3rd with South Hills, good luck being the 3rd place team in your division – you’ll be 1 and done. We’ll see if all those transfers keep coming when you are 7-4 or 6-5. Just remember, Diamond Bar was dominate in the mid to late 90′s and where are they now…… I predict the same future for CO.

  • Saint Slayer

    Give me a fricking break. Put away the rings! Try coaching. SD had so many penalties it was pathetic. No discipline. The saints looked confused and out coached, yes out coached. SD had better athletes on the field than BHS, but they didn’t know what they were doing. There were a couple of questionable calls by the refs, but they were not game breakers. SD needs a QB that can throw and the coaches need to take complete blame for putting a team on the field that was unprepared to win. Suck it Z.

  • New Year

    Lets face it, SD has graduated some good athletes over the last couple of years. It just might be a re-cycle year for them. They have never been a passing team and it showed!

    They run the wing-t and the middle guy is the key! Lets just say, they don’t have a bruiser like in the past. Better begin to re-build that spot, with some burners on the corners because the passing game is bad, regardless of who’s under center.

    My bet, Covina and BP go to the playoffs!

  • COChargerfan

    My post was a GENERAL discussion upon the importance and relevance of stats and nowhere in it did I mention any SPECIFIC game let alone CO vs. GH. I’ll say it again for the hard headed fools; it’s a general discussion that has zero to do with a specific game. And you are right “stats” but I avoided the takeaway vs. giveaway angle on purpose because I was trying to steer clear of the specific GH vs. CO game comparison so the CUT AND DRY and BOOO HOO’s of the world wouldn’t respond with lame blather. Unfortunately, I failed.

    And BOOO HOO, you better hope and pray that CO isn’t as bad as you’re predicting because if they are, then GH is going to get absolutely smoked by every Baseline team. Beware what you wish for upon others because you are part of the same nightmare. Think about that for a minute.

  • Not a Glendora fan

    COChargerfan,
    This is BOO HOO……..I am not a Glendora fan. I am inland FB fan. I happen to be a Ayala fan but we haven’t been very successful in recent years (Since the coach P days). I believe CO will battle for 3rd in the Sierra league and be 1 and done in the playoffs. They have had it to easy for to long. When they get into league, every week will be a battle unlike previous years (wilson, Bonita & Los Altos 7 combined wins last season). I agree that Glendora will not be in the race for a baseline league championship….they too will be battling to get into the playoffs.

  • HOT AIR

    COCHARGERFAN,
    What a load of hot air . Now it was a general discussion on the stats part. You were crying the blues as to how CO beat Glendora up and down the stat chart as the excuse for losing. If you would have come out and said CO just shot themselves in the azz with all the turnovers great . But to defend a loss with all your stats as to how CO whipped Glendora everywhere but where it counts is plain old bs .

  • SGV FOOTBALL

    Not a Glendora fan,

    Who do you think will be the first and second place team in the Sierra? I really hope you dont day Claremont!

  • COChagerfan

    The first problem is that the “HOT AIR’s” of the world spend too much time listening to the garbage that spews from their own mouths to actually understand what others are saying.

    The second problem is that they can’t admit to making a mistake and, instead, still blame others.

    The third problem is that there isn’t some sort of blogging Wonderlic test that must be passed as a criteria to allowing people to comment because this would cut out most of the first two problems.

  • Not a Glendora fan

    SGV Football,
    I see the Sierra being a very tough league. I see Chino Hills winning it, Claremont….yes I said Claremont….2nd and Charter Oak, So. Hills and now Ayala battling it out for 3rd. I saw Claremont a few times this summer in passing league and at the Los Osos linemen comp….they looked legit. I know they haven’t been successful the last few years but they have all the pieces of the puzzle to make it work. They have one of the best QB’s in the area, talented targets to throw to and now a legit RB in Teague. Their line looked solid as well. I don’t know much about the D side of the ball but I think Claremont will shock some people. I think Chino Hills has to much fire power and to many returners from last years semi final team to be knocked off the throne.

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