CIF Polls: Strength of schedule means nothing in the Mid-Valley or Inland, but it matters in the Southeast? Where’s the consistency

Mid-Valley Division
1. Whittier Christian (Olympic) 4-0, 2. Azusa (Montview) 3-0, 3. Arroyo (Mission Valley) 3-1, 4. San Dimas (Valle Vista) 2-2, 5. Monrovia (Rio Hondo) 1-2, 6. Village Christian (Olympic) 3-1, 7. Sierra Vista (Montview) 3-0, 8. San Marino (Rio Hondo) 2-1, 9. Covina (Valle Vista) 3-1, 10. South Pasadena (Rio Hondo) 3-0
Robledo’s thoughts: Assuming that Whittier Christian and Azusa go undefeated, and probably will, they will finish No. 1 and 2. When I look at the top five, I’m looking at teams that could run the table in league, meaning there might not be much change for several weeks. The problem here is that strength of schedule means squat, obviously going unbeaten, regardless of who you face, matters most.
SOUTHEAST DIVISION
1. West Covina (Hacienda) 3-1, 2. Burbank (Pacific) 2-1, 3. Bonita (Hacienda) 4-0, 4. Rowland (Hacienda) 3-1, 5. Norwalk (Suburban) 2-2, 6. La Serna (Del Rio) 3-1, 7. Muir (Pacific) 1-2 , 8. Diamond Bar (Hacienda) 4-0, 9. Diamond Ranch (Hacienda) 1-3, 10. Santa Fe (Del Rio) 1-2
Robledo’s thoughts: The pollsters are listening to us, the Bulldogs exactly where they belong. Bonita should be No. 2, but give it up to the Hacienda, five teams in the top ten, including 1-3 Diamond Ranch, the biggest surprise of all. Here’s what I don’t get, strength of schedule obviously matters here, but not in the Mid-Valley? What gives.
PAC-5 DIVISION
1. Mission Viejo (South Coast) 4-0, 2. Servite (Trinity) 4-0 , 3. Lakewood (Moore) 4-0, 4. Bishop Amat (Serra) 4-0, 5. Newport Harbor (Sunset) 3-0, 6. Alemany (Serra) 4-0 , 7. Edison (Sunset) 3-1, 8. Los Alamitos (Sunset) 3-1, 9. Santa Margarita (Trinity) 3-1, 10. Long Beach Poly (Moore) 2-2
Robledo’s thoughts: I don’t know if Bishop Amat is this good, or should be ranked this high, but I do know they’re getting better, and when you add Brock Booth and Wallace Gonzalez to the arsenal, I wouldn’t be surprised with Cathedral and Venice next, they don’t get to No. 2 or 3 after what should be a 6-0 start.
INLAND DIVISION
1. Vista Murrieta (Southwestern) 3-0, 2. Centennial/Corona (Big VIII) 3-0, 3. Norco (Big VIII) 3-0, 4. Redlands East Valley (Citrus Belt) 3-0, 5. Chino Hills (Sierra) 3-1, 6. Rancho Cucamonga (Baseline) 4-0, 7. Upland (Baseline) 3-1, 8. Redlands (Citrus Belt) 3-0-1, 9. Roosevelt (Big VIII) 3-0. 10. Ayala (Sierra) 4-0
Robledo’s thoughts: The Sierra League or Baseline hasn’t started, yet there is no Charter Oak, Glendora, South Hills or Damien. Again, strength of schedule no consideration, look at Ayala, who has beaten four nobody’s compared to Glendora, who has a 3-1 schedule and has played nothing but solid competition. I blame myself, because I had Ayala No. 5 with Glendora No. 6 in our poll, which in hindsight, I should have reserved. I’ll take one for the team on this.

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  • Chino Hills Husky Fan

    I don’t agree with the inland division rankings. Corona Centenniel is by far the best team followed by Norco. Vista Murrietta was 16 seconds from losing to Corona Santiago who is a solid, playoff calibre team but they are no Centenniel. I agree with your remarks on Ayala….They have played horrible teams. Glendora, Charter Oak and even 1-2 Santiago (lost to pac 5 Dana hills & #1 vista murrietta) have at least played decent competition. Time will show Ayala’s true ranking. CHHS has a big game against REV this week…..hope the Huskies can hang with them. I don’t think the baseline or sierra teams will make it to the semis this year….but you never know.
    Also, Lakewood Mayfair will be a force in the southeast division. They are 1-3 but have lost to Chino Hills (28-14), Los Alamitos (34-19) and Lakewood (24-14). They are WAYYYY better than the teams ranked 4-10 in that division.

  • Simple Counting principles Fred

    Fred,

    I counted 5 Hacienda teams in Southeast top 10.

  • Db & DR will drop like flies!

    There are 5 Hacienda teams listed but no way is DB or DR as good as Mayfair or even La Mirada from the suburban league.. I also think Rowland is over rated. West co. & Bonita are the only Hacienda teams deserving of their place in the top 10. Rowland is a 7th ranked team at best.

  • Db & DR will drop like flies!

    There are 5 Hacienda teams listed but no way is DB or DR as good as Mayfair or even La Mirada from the suburban league.. I also think Rowland is over rated. West co. & Bonita are the only Hacienda teams deserving of their place in the top 10. Rowland is a 7th ranked team at best.

  • Db & DR will drop like flies!

    There are 5 Hacienda teams listed but no way is DB or DR as good as Mayfair or even La Mirada from the suburban league.. I also think Rowland is over rated. West co. & Bonita are the only Hacienda teams deserving of their place in the top 10. Rowland is a 7th ranked team at best.

  • outsider

    Just a comment about the Southeast Division. It doesn’t matter if a league finishes ranked 1-5 in the over all poles, only 3 teams will go to the playoffs, no matter what! Strength of schedule wil only matter when it comes doen to playoff pairings! The toughest league will also get the # 1 seed. That’s another spot where it might matter.

  • AZTEC PRIDE

    Nice picture Fred!

    AZUSA FOOTBALL…

  • Don

    Outsider,

    SE sends 15 teams to the playoffs:

    Del Rio gets 3, Pacific, Suburban, and Hacienda send four each.

  • It not you Fred

    I wouldn’t blame the sgv poll on ghs not being in the top ten Inland poll. It is clear from the poll they think ghs is the 3rd best team in the Baseline. They belive the Sierra number 1 is better than third baseline.This is fair logic. However I don’t bleive ghs is third best in the Baseline nor am I sold Ayala is top dog in Sierra.

  • Wells

    The reason that some polls appear to use strength of schedule where other do not is because each playoff group is put together by different people.

    Some coaches value record, feeing simply winning games is more important that who a team plays.

    Remember, strength of schedule is still subjective. In the end, CIF seedings will be done according to strict guidelines.

    That being said, there will be some great league matchups this season.

  • Bulldog Fan

    Fred I would have to agree with you, about certain teams being higher in there polls. I can’t say alot about the Mid Valley nor the Inland Division because I don’t get to watch alot of those teams play.

    Pac 5 Division is murders row, how many of those teams are ranked in the state this year?. I think Bishop Amat will stay where there at for awhile, but they also play in a tough league as well. Only time will tell.

    As far as the Southeast goes,I would say it’s a toss up.Alot of good teams stepped up and played better talented teams during non league games. Another wait and see.

    If I was listing teams for the Southeast at this time, this is how it would look.

    1.West Covina
    2.Bonita and they get GP back soon.
    3.Rowland
    4.La Serna Big games coming up in league
    5.Burbank Big game against Muir
    6.Muir Will they have a healthy team?
    7.Norwalk tough schedule will climb the poll.
    8.La Mirada another tough schedule.
    9.Diamond Ranch
    10.Santa Fe

    Teams to watch for :
    Mayfair
    Burroughs
    Diamond Bar
    El Rancho
    Walnut
    Arcadia

  • John Tolbert

    Hey Fred,

    What do you think of what Morrison is doing at Workman? Will they contend for a playoff spot? Saw their game against Montclair, looks like they have a skeleton coaching staff. What happened to his asst. from Damien?

  • outsider

    I see, I was not aware of the leagues merging. This is why I am just an outsider… With 15 teams in the playoffs, who plays the 16th seed? Is there one or is there a bye round 1? Will a league take 5 then? Just a question, I looking to be be corrected. I am also looking for some great playoff brackets, this setup might make good competition and make new rivals!

  • Norco

    Chino Hills Husky Fan …

    I like you guys in this game against REV…Also I have to agree about CC being the top team team in the division…IMO Basline and Sierra have made the Inland a much stronger division top to bottom

  • reality

    Being a Bohi watcher this season I’am still not entirely convinced they are that good. They should have lost to a so-so Santa Fe team and a bounce the other way and the San Dimas and Claremont games could have gone the other way. One thought on Spathias. He is oft described when backing up Pendleton as adequate. I recall the pundits saying the same thing of Trent Dilfer when he filled in and he won only 3 Superbowls. Spathias deserves far more than saying he has been adequate. My observations so far from the cheap seats are as follows. Getting A grades are Mikity,Harriman,Spathias,McKenzie, Horines. B grades are guys that have played well but not consistent. Huth, Lemons, Venegas,Gelalich, all the running backs. A+ goes to the place-kicker and to the defensive coaches. Just one watchers opinion.

  • Chino Hills Husky Fan

    Norco,
    I agree that the baseline and Sierra leagues make the inland division better, however, I don’t think either league will send a team to the semi-finals let alone finals….not quite there yet. This division change sucks because i think we could have been a favorite to win the central division title this year. I have seen REV, they seem very solid especially defensively. We have ben playing very good defense but our offense is a little behind. We have been bitten by the injury bug. We are getting back to strength though.

    Bulldog Fan,
    I disagree with Rowland being in the top 5. If you want to talk about strength of schedule, Mayfair has eveyone in that division beat – Los Alamitos, Chino Hills & Lakewood……they were very competetive in all 3 of those game. I have seen Rowland, they pale in comparison.

  • Bulldog Fan

    Chino Hills Husky Fan I would agree that Rowland should not be a top five team by the end of the season, but right now they are. the next couple of weeks will really show it. I agree with you that Mayfair should be up there as well.

  • sgv football

    To REALITY:

    Please get your facts corret. Trent Dilfer won only 1 super Bowl not three as you have written.And he was not the backup but was the starting QB for the Ravens in Super Bowl 35.

  • Dan

    Chino Hills Huskie fan and Bulldog,
    I third the motion on Mayfair, they could be the sleeper of the division, 24 to 14 vs the Lakewood of today is playing a pretty good game, plus they had the tight games with Los Al, and C Hills. Bonita is hard to figure, saw them against Santa Fe and was suprised how they struggled in that game, but on the other hand, missing two of your best players will affect any team that isn’t two or three deep at every position. Also their blowout wins over San Dimas [who played Rancho C. tough] and Claremont [Who just beat Rowland and rolled over Walnut] gives a clue that they can be pretty explosive when they have all their players.

  • AMAT 73

    sgv football,
    Wasn’t Dilfer the QB when Tampa with Gruden beat the raiders in the Bowl.

  • I thought this was a Football Blog

    Brad Johnson was the QB for Tampa Bay when the beat the Raiders. Trent Dilfer was the QB for the Ravens when they won the SB. Dilfer won only one SB and was the only QB released the following year.

  • Sports Fan

    West Covina is in a wimpy league. They may win league but hopefully they CHOKE in playoffs.

  • kurmugin

    Interesting how strength of schedule plays out in divisional pairings in other sports. Soccer, for instance. Know it’s months away before either boys or girls start playing, but CIF has determined most of our SGV schools will be in Divisions III (girls) or IV (boys), excepting smaller school powers Mt. View and Sierra Vista. Del Rey (Bishop Amat) and the new Hacienda (Los Altos, Bonita, and Walnut) girls have been bumped up from IV to III along with St. Lucys and Flintridge and the Sierra League schools. Since Division III still includes the three very powerful Upper Desert Leagues, strong Orange Country programs, and Coastal Counties muscle. Division III should be epic from opening pre-league goal to title game.

  • Oh no he didn’t…..

    kurmugin…..you did not just bring soccer into a football forum did you?….lol. We all know that soccer is a hobby not a legitimate sport. I know, I know…..”but soccer is the most popular sport in the world” you say. That’s because most people don’t have the balls to play football. Soccer will never be a mainstream spectator sport in the United States because it is BORING! 10 seconds of actions followed by 2 hours of watching guys jog around the field and kick a ball. I would not disgrace a soccer blog by mentioning football….lol. Hey…isn’t it time you load up the kiddies in the minivan and head to AYSO practice?….lol. JUST MESSIN’ WITH YA!

  • All Your Saturdays Occupied

    Oh no he didn’t….. don’t forget the orange slices and juice boxes!

  • kurmugin

    Oh No…Yes, I did. Guilty as charged, but this is not a “football” forum. It is a sports forum. In The Huddle is all football all the time. We have dipped into water polo and run up a bit of cross country, too. My reference was triggered by strength of schedule inferences, illustrated most sharply by football with its short slates of 10 regular season games. And, the sometimes very wide differences in who plays who, or it is whom?

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