Tribune Super 35 Poll: Who deserves No. 1, Bishop Amat or Chino Hills, Aram and I discuss it

1. Bishop Amat (5-0) – Lancers closed up shop by halftime against previously unbeaten Damien and Cathedral. They’re still No. 4 in the Pac-5 poll, and are outscoring their opponents by a 26-point margin, averaging 34 points while allowing just eight per game. Until Bishop Amat loses, there is no debate for No. 1, not unless Chino Hills can replay their 24-12 loss to Corona Santiago.
2. Chino Hills (4-1) — The Huskies have done something that West Covina, Diamond Ranch, South Hills and Charter Oak have been unable to do in recent years. They scheduled up and won. Anyone can make a tough schedule, but doing something with it, as in wins over Tesoro and Redlands East Valley, is why the Huskies climbed to No. 3 in the Inland Poll.
3. Bonita (4-0) — The much anticipated season debut of Garrett Pendleton, injured prior to the season, takes place this week at Diamond Bar. The ‘Cats have done fine without him, partly because of a much improved defense, but now lets see if Pendleton can shake the rust and make the ‘Cats a real contender in the Hacienda.
4. West Covina (4-1) — The Bulldogs are scoring at will, 35 on Venice, 42 on South Hills, 33 on Glendora and 41 in the Hacienda league opener against Walnut. As long as their defense stays consistent, nobody left on the schedule can slow these guys down. Can they?
5. Glendora (4-1) — Can use the bye week after going to Lynwood and getting it done. Next week we begin to find out how the Tartans will fare in the Baseline.
6. Charter Oak (3-2) — QB Josiah Thropay did enough to help the Chargers over Santa Fe, but the credit goes to their defense, earning a big shutout. The Chargers have a week off before the Sierra, with starting QB Travis Santiago set to return after an ankle sprain.
7. Claremont (4-1) — The Wolfpack have a week off, then open the Sierra against Chino Hills. The way these two have played, won’t be a surprise if the outcome eventually decides the league title.
8. Rowland (4-1) – The Raiders find out what their made of at home against West Covina on Friday. The question is, can they score enough to keep up with the run-happy Bulldogs.
9. Azusa (4-0) – Any way you slice it, the Aztecs are averaging 35 points while allowing just 2.5 points per game. That’s a 33 point margin, which also includes three shutouts.
10. Damien (3-1) – Solid win over El Dorado. Except for their huge stumble against No. 1 Bishop Amat, the Spartans have been impressive, which includes a win at Diamond Ranch.

The Rest: 11. Ayala (4-1), 12. San Dimas (3-2), 13. Covina (4-1), 14. Arroyo (3-1), 15. Diamond Ranch (2-3), 16. South Hills (1-3); 17. Diamond Bar (4-1). 18. Walnut (2-2), 19. Wilson (3-1), 20. Sierra Vista (4-0), 21. Baldwin Park (1-4), 22. Rosemead (2-2), 23. Pomona (3-2), 24. La Puente (2-2), 25. Ganesha (2-2), 26. Nogales (1-4), 27. El Monte (1-3); 28. Los Altos (0-5), 29. Gladstone (1-3), 30. South El Monte (1-3), 31. Mountain View (2-2), 32. Northview (0-4), 33. Workman (1-3), 34. Bassett (1-3), 35. Duarte (0-3)

More on Debate: In our Bishop Amat, Chino Hills debate, Aram also said there’s an “argument” over who has the toughest division in Southern California, the Inland or Pac-5. At the beginning of the season Aram said the Pac-5 is the toughest division in the country, and with three leagues in the MaxPreps’ top ten leagues in America rankings, he’s probably right. So why now is there an “argument” or “debate” over the best division, Inland or Pac-5? For MaxPreps top ten ranked divisions in the country, click thread…


Maxpreps’ top ten leagues in America…
1. Greater Catholic South (Ohio)
Archbishop Moeller, 5-0, 3 in state, 18 nationally; LaSalle, 5-0, 14 in state, 167 nationally; St. Xavier, 3-2, 7 in state, 46 nationally; Elder, 20 in state, 241 nationally.

2. Trinity (California)
Servite, 4-0, 2nd in state, 7 nationally; JSerra Catholic, 3-0, 79 in state, 725 nationally; St. John Bosco (Bellflower, Calif.), 3-1, 16 in state, 139 nationally; Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, Calif.), 3-1, 48 in state, 419 nationally; Orange Lutheran, 2-2, 114 in state, 1,242 nationally; Mater Dei (Santa Ana, Calif.), 1-2, 24 in state, 227 nationally. Long time powerhouse Mater Dei is at the bottom looking up this year, attesting to the overall depth and power in this league. No team in the league ranks lower than 114 in the state of California, which has close to 1,200 teams, meaning all six teams are in the top 10 percent of the state.

3. 5A Region 1 District 8 (Texas)
Allen (Texas), 4-0, 8 in state, 78 nationally; Marcus (Flower Mound, Texas), 4-0, 16 in state, 118 nationally; Lewisville (Texas), 3-1, 91 in state, 853 nationally; Hebron (Carrollton, Texas), 3-1, 14 in state, 113 nationally; Plano West (Texas), 3-1, 43 in state, 389 nationally; Plano (Texas), 3-1, 114 in state, 1,056 nationally; Plano East (Texas), 2-2, 133 in state, 1,190 nationally; Flower Mound (Texas), 2-2, 84 in state, 774 nationally. The depth in this league is amazing — all eight teams have at least a .500 record. Three of the teams are also ranked in the top 16 in the state of Texas, a tremendous feat in a state known for its football.

4. South Coast (California)
Mission Viejo (Calif.), 4-0, 5th in state, 12 nationally; San Clemente (Calif.), 4-1, 49 in state, 425 nationally; Tesoro (Rancho Santa Margarita, Calif.), 3-1, 42 in state, 379 nationally; Dana Hills (Dana Point, Calif.), 2-2, 76 in state, 696 nationally; Trabuco Hills (Mission Viejo, Calif.), 2-2, 191 in state, 2,262 nationally. Orange County football is pretty impressive, considering that two of the top four leagues on this list consist of Orange County teams. This year Mission Viejo is ranked in the Xcellent 25 presented by the Army National Guard and rising.

5. Big North I (New Jersey)
Don Bosco Prep (Ramsey, N.J.), 3-0, 1st in state, 2nd nationally; St. Joseph Regional (Montvale, N.J.), 3-0, 3 in state, 142 nationally; Bergen Catholic (Oradell, N.J.), 3-0, 2nd in state, 39 nationally; Paramus Catholic (N.J.), 2-1, 69 in state, 3,104 nationally; DePaul (Wayne, N.J.), 1-2, 64 in state, 2,939 nationally. New Jersey is a strong football state and Don Bosco Prep, Bergen Catholic and St. Joseph Regional rank 1-2-3 in the state. Don Bosco Prep is the defending national champion by MaxPreps and is currently ranked No. 2 in the country.

6. Catholic Central (Michigan)
Catholic Central (Novi, Mich.), 1 in state, 26 nationally; St. Mary Prep (Orchard Lake, Mich.), 5-0, 2 in state, 75 nationally; De La Salle Collegiate (Warren, Mich.), 4-1, 14 in state, 454 nationally; Brother Rice (Bloomfield Hills, Mich.), 2-3, 37 in state, 1,237 nationally; University of Detroit Jesuit (Mich.), 2-3, 73 in state, 2,303 nationally. The top two teams in Michigan find a home in the Catholic Central. Even the last place team in the league is in the top 75.

7. MIAA A (Maryland)
Calvert Hall (Baltimore), 5-0, 6 in state, 264 nationally; Gilman (Baltimore), 4-1, 1st in state, 15 nationally; McDonogh (Owings Mills, Md.), 3-0, 4 in state, 154 nationally; Mount St. Joseph (Baltimore), 3-1, 26 in state, 1,656 nationally; Georgetown Prep (North Bethesda, Md.), 2-2, 21 in state, 1,525 nationally; Loyola Blakefield (Towson, Md.), 1-3, 67 in state, 4,581 nationally. Three of the top six teams in Maryland are in this league, led by Gilman, which has been among the top 25 in the country all season.

8. 6A District 7 (Tennessee)
Oakland (Murfreesboro, Tenn.), 6-0, 1st in state, 63 nationally; Smyrna (Tenn.), 5-1, 4 in state, 114 nationally; Blackman (Murfreesboro, Tenn.), 5-1, 12 in state, 317 nationally; Riverdale (Murfreesboro, Tenn.) 5-1, 17 in state, 407 nationally; Siegel (Murfreesboro, Tenn.), 3-3, 46 in state, 1,471 nationally; LaVergne (Tenn.), 2-4, 104 in state, 3,493 nationally. Four of the top 17 teams in the state of Tennessee reside in this district.

9. Serra (California)
Alemany (Mission Hills, Calif.), 4-0, 19 state, 158 nationally; Bishop Amat (La Puente, Calif.), 4-0, 17 state, 151 nationally; Crespi (Encino, Calif.), 3-1, 61 state, 551 nationally; Notre Dame (Sherman Oaks, Calif.), 1-3, 125 state, 1,504 nationally; Loyola (Los Angeles), 1-3, 91 state, 904 nationally. Alemany has come on in the past few years, making this tough league even tougher. Bishop Amat, Crespi, Notre Dame and Loyola all are among the top teams in the Southern Section each year.

10. 6A District 5 (Kentucky)
Trinity (Louisville, Ky.), 4-2, ranked No. 1 in state, 66 nationally; Ballard (Louisville, Ky.), 4-2, 11 in state, 641 nationally; Seneca (Louisville, Ky.), 4-2, 28 in state, 1,909 nationally; Eastern (Louisville, Ky.), 3-2, 14 in state, 846 nationally. This league benefits from the presence of Trinity, which is the premier program in the state of Kentucky. Four times in the past five years the Shamrocks have finished No. 1 in the state and in the top 50 in the national rankings. Ballard has also routinely finished among the top 25 in the state the past five seasons.

Note: Two leagues ranked by Freeman’s rankings, the Steel Valley in Ohio and the 5A District 14 in Florida, were not included in this list because they have fewer than four teams in the league.

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  • cov80

    apology did they say sorry for defacing our school hell no our kids didnt mean no harm thats better then spray painting all over the school and dumping oil in the pool northveiw are a bunch of thugs

  • hey

    Times ranking, did I miss something. where is Chino Hills? that’s what I thought, not even ranked. how is this debatable?

    The top 25:

    1. Mission Viejo (5-0)

    2. Westlake (4-0)

    3. Servite (5-0)

    4. Corona Centennial (4-0)

    5. Lakewood (5-0)

    6. Gardena Serra (5-0)

    7. Norco (4-0)

    8. Alemany (5-0)

    9. St. Bonaventure (3-1)

    10. Bishop Amat (5-0)

    11. Crenshaw (3-2)

    12. Oaks Christian (2-2)

    13. Valencia (4-0)

    14. Vista Murrieta (3-1)

    15. Dorsey (4-0)

    16. Long Beach Poly (3-2)

    17. Thousand Oaks (3-1)

    18. St. John Bosco (4-1)

    19. Santa Margarita (4-1)

    20. San Clemente (5-1)

    21. Tesoro (4-1)

    22. Dominguez (4-1)

    23. Crespi (4-1)

    24. Mater Dei (2-2)

    25. Newport Harbor (3-1)

  • Mid Valley

    Damien should be 7. All else looks accurate.

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    Shows you how legit these Times rankings are: Chino Hills isn’t ranked, but a team it beat — Tesoro — is ranked 21st.

    Doesn’t help your argument one bit, “Hey”. And if anything, it hurts it by showing how bad these rankings are.

  • Anyone who knows Football

    If you look at the schedules you will know that Bishop Amat has the much easier schedule. Chino Hills has scheduled up while BA has scheduled down. Even if South Hills took on Bishop Amats schedule they would be 4-0 whearas if they took on the schedule of Chino Hills they would be 0-4 so if that does’nt tell you anything then you dont know football.

  • FredJ

    Aram, here’s what I wronte on your blog, might as well share it here too…

    The question isn’t whether Amat can handle a tough schedule, they’re proven they can, they’ve done it the past two years, and even with a non-league schedule not as difficult as the previous two years they’re blowing out opponents by an average of three touchdowns. Let’s see Chino Hills and Charter Oak beat Damien by 35 points, which was over at half, 35-0. Say what you want about Dominguez, but how impressive is that they’re 4-1 after playing Crespi, Notre Dame and Bishop Amat, regardless of what league they compete in. That’s almost the equivalent of what Diamond Ranch has tried to do in recent years, except for the wins. The fact is, it’s not a debate because you can’t lose 24-12 to Corona Santiago, a team that is 2-2 with losses to 2-3 Dana Hills (49-20), and another loss to Vista Murrieta (21-17), and claim you deserve to be in the argument over a Bishop Amat that is 5-0 and No. 4 in the Pac-5. I’m not saying Chino Hills isn’t worthy or couldn’t beat Bishop Amat, for sure they can compete with them after what they just accomplished. There is no other team in our coverage area who would stand a fighting chance except for Chino Hills, but if you have to crown No. 1, or if this was the end of the year and you had to pick a champion based on what’s happened through week six, it’s Bishop Amat without question. That’s not being a homer, that’s reality, and just about every state, region or national poll backs me up on this…..The beef of Aram’s argument is the schedule, which is why his poll question isn’t who deserves to be No. 1, but who has played a tougher schedule. Yes, you can argue Chino Hills has played a tougher schedule to this point, but they have a loss to a team that is not as good as the two big wins on their resume. I’ve always felt the great teams win games they’re supposed to win, which has been the case for Amat for three straight years. They never lose a game they’re “supposed” to win, and win games that surprise you. Chino Hills already has a loss over a team they should have beaten, you can’t ignore that. It’s easy to get all fired up and pumped up against the great teams, but what do you do when the bullseye’s on your chest? That’s what Chino Hills is about to find out as the overwhelming favorite in the Sierra.

  • Dan

    Interesting debate,
    Amat Chino Hills would be a great game this year. C. Hills has more impressive wins so far and from what I think I remember hearing this team as freshmen were very dominant, could be the best C Hills team ever. I think Amats impressive wins are on their way, and I think Amat would also beat Tesoro and REV. If you watch Amat vs Cathedral [IBN] you can see that Amat is very dominant because of their team discipline, the players know where to be and get there quickly. They swarm to the ball with great team speed. I think it would be a close game with the Lancers winning in the fourth qtr.

  • maybe 0-4

    south hills would get DESTROYED by Dominguez’ would probaabbly lose to Cathedral and Garfield – and will get a chance tvs Damien – who will beat the Huskies by 2 scores

  • Colt74

    Qaks Christian with a 2-2 record at 12th???? You have got to be kidding me…..

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    Freddie,

    Just remember the debate here isn’t whether Chino Hills should be No. 1 over Amat, it’s whether there should be any debate at all, i.e. Does Chino Hills have a case. You say there’s no argument, I say there is.

  • Norco

    Aram….so your saying just because CH beat Tesoro they deserved to be ranked? bwahahahahahaha….BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! – PUH …Quit crying Rankings are all subjective and the only rankings that matter our CIFS…

    Centennial and Norco 1,2 and will be until the showdown to end the season.

    INLAND DIVISION
    Rank School (League) Record Result Opponent Score
    1. Centennial/Corona (Big VIII) 4-0 Won M.L. King 66-14
    2. Norco (Big VIII) 4-0 Won J.W. North 38-17
    3. Chino Hills (Sierra) 4-1 Won Redlands East Valley 14-3
    4. Vista Murrieta (Southwestern) 3-1 Lost Crespi 31-45
    5. Redlands (Citrus Belt) 4-0-1 Won Rancho Cucamonga 21-13
    6. Redlands East Valley (Citrus Belt) 3-1 Lost Chino Hills 3-14
    7. Rancho Cucamonga (Baseline) 4-1 Lost Redlands 13-21
    8. Upland (Baseline) 3-2 Lost Loyola 13-30
    9. Glendora (Citrus Belt) 4-1 Won Lynwood 33-21
    10. Ayala (Sierra) 4-1 Lost St. Paul 6-28
    Other Santiago/Corona (Big VIII) 2-2 Won Roosevelt 40-33
    Other Roosevelt (Big VIII) 3-1 Lost Santiago/Corona 33-40
    Other Claremont (Sierra) 4-1 Won Ontario 56-0
    Other Corona (Big VIII) 3-1 Won Poly/Riverside 21-16
    Other Damien (Sierra) 3-1 Won El Dorado 27-7
    Other Charter Oak (Sierra) 3-2 Won Santa Fe 17-0
    Other Murrieta Valley (Southwestern) 3-2 Won Elsinore 27-23
    Other Los Osos (Baseline) 2-2 Bye

  • FredJ

    Aram, You can say that in a lot of instances, you have Azusa ranked ahead of Charter Oak in your Super poll, obviously you can make (a strength of schedule) argument/debate that Azusa would have no shot in a realistic game of football against Charter Oak. As far as Chino Hills, I can’t see how there’s a “real” debate yet. Amat has to lose before this argument has steam, which is why Amat is No. 1 in your poll too. And by the end of the season, if both teams have the same overall records, Amat has to finish on top again because by then, their strength of schedule will have overpowered Chino Hills…

  • AMAT 73

    This is what makes these rankings so questionable. SH loses to Monrovia ( not a quality loss ) who every other team in the valley beat when they faced them and they move down 2 spots. Ayala got beat by the slime ( quality loss ) who beat La Mirada and dropped 6 slots from 5 to 11 . No hate for SH it is just that they are a good example of how there is absolutely criteria as to why teams move up or down and make these Trib rankings a joke. This is why this thread is a joke because how can you justify a team 17th in the state, 151st in the nation , in the 9th ranked toughest league in the nation below Chino Hills who shows up nowhere in any of these catagories but because based on quality losses (2) and SOS they should be number 1. That is why I have always and still say these rankings don’t mean a thing until the final CIF or state or national rankings come out after all is said and done.
    Aram, you could also say it’s a sad take on the brand of football “we” play in the SGV in the eyes of the Times.Other than AMAT we get no respect by the Times and honestly would you take CH against any of the teams in the times top 25 other than Tesoro . Maybe you will answer because I am still waiting for Fred’s reply to the SH ranking from last week that just got worse this week .

  • FredJ

    Amat 73, I said lets week, it’s about balancing record with reality. South Hills lost to West Covina, Tesoro and Monrovia, and could finish 1-9 after it goes through Los Osos and the Sierra League. Sierra Vista is 4-0 and could finish 8-2 with probable losses to Azusa and La Puente. How do you rank these teams against each other when they play far different competition? It’s difficult. If this is how it ended, I should probably rank Sierra Vista ahead of South Hills based on record, but knowing if they really played a game, nobody in there right mind would take Sierra Vista over South Hills. Like I said, it’s about balancing record with reality. I can’t do polls simply based on records, sometimes you just have to watch the games and go with gut.

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    Amat 73,

    Amat plays in the SEVENTH-BEST league in the country? Well, did you see who’s rated the FOURTH-BEST league in the country? The South Coast League. You know who plays in the South Coast League? TESORO! You know who beat Tesoro? CHINO HILLS.

    You starting to understand now that not everything revolves around Amat and the Serra League?

    Chino Hills has TWO huge wins and Amat has ONE. Chino Hills has played the much tougher OVERALL schedule. This is very much a debate.

    I don’t blame any Amat fan for being excited about being 5-0. The teams looks great and just got better with Wallace G. and Booth becoming eligible. I hope they win the Serra and PAC-5, but you have to keep things in perspective and give credit where credit is due. That’s something Fred and yourself can’t seem to do.

    I don’t care what the Times says, Chino Hills has proven so far that it’s one of the top teams in SoCal. You don’t hold Tesoro to 12 and REV to 3 by mistake.

  • Norco

    Aram…wait till playoffs…

  • Unreal…

    I honestly think West Covina would beat Chino Hills.

    In recent years, Tesoro and Santa Margarita have been Pac-5 doormats in their respective leagues. This year, the Trinity is upside down. Some say due to Santa Margarita getting better, I say it’s more due to the fact that OLu and Mater Dei are having uncharacteristically down years and I don’t expect Tesoro to make the playoffs unless they get a wild card.

    As far as REV. Three wins against Clovis East not the national power Clovis West, San Gorgonio, and a rebuilding OLu.

    So really, Chino Hills’ victories are impressive but I do not think they merit this argument.

  • True Poll?

    Amat is better as far as record. People must remember that over the last few years Amat has brought Chino Hills kids on to their team. CH does not want to play a Amat and lose more kids to them. They do have some good talent growing out in the Chino Hills area. Imagine how good Chino Hills would be if they did not share their talent with Bishop Amat. As far as this year, as it stands Bishop Amat season has yet to begun with the top tier teams of the pac 5 so the jury is still out. Whipping Damien the way they did, well this debate is over Amat is superior to CH as of right now.

  • FredJ

    There goes Aram again, saying I don’t give Chino Hills any credit when I just wrote…

    I’m not saying Chino Hills isn’t worthy or couldn’t beat Bishop Amat, for sure they can compete with them after what they just accomplished. There is no other team in our coverage area who would stand a fighting chance except for Chino Hills, but if you have to crown No. 1, or if this was the end of the year and you had to pick a champion based on what’s happened through week six, it’s Bishop Amat without question.

  • BigDog

    Fred,Aram
    Do you really believe Azusa should be ranked in the top ten with the quality of teams they have played? Or is this just a Fred thing!

  • Red Barron

    These are pre-season polls at it’s finest! I think CH vs Amat would be a great game for both programs over the last 3 seasons, but for the future?? The difference is Amat being a private school can draw from surrounding areas to keep the channels full, CH can’t. The quality of players coming out of the CH area is remarkable, not only have they contributed to programs such as Amat, but O Lu, Damien, Don Lugo, Chino, D Ranch and D Bar. Not to mention they’ve split the city in 2 with Ayala. Amat’s record is super, and CH wins are great! The argument is; does an 5-0 pre-season over inferior talent = to 4-1 over equal or better talent?

    Fred if it wasn’t for the bloggers waking you last season to the talent CH had facing the likes of Glendora and Damien, would you’ve even had the thought to stop riding the Lancer wagon? It doesn’t surprise me or anyone out here in CH. The blood lines in CH are from the SGV (St. Paul, Temple City, Arcadia, La Habra, Whittier, etc.), so it’s not like we’ve never seen the other side of the 57 fwy. We get what side of the fence you’re on. Thanks for giving us props and keep up the good work.

    Great debate!

  • jcaz

    Body language often says so much, even when you don’t say a thing doesn’t it ?

    Throughout the entire conversation, I noticed that every time Aram made a point about who had the better schedule, or what not, Fred was constantly was moving around as if he couldnt believe the stuff that Aram was saying. Aram on the other hand seemed to constantly be on the defense, and whenever Fred fired off a shot, you could see that Aram kept referencing his notes, and was seemingly, constantly visually having to struggling to validate his points.

    Yes, of course Fred also referenced his notes, but more often than not, the facts were so readily apparent, that his was just a glance compared to having to dig through mountains of paperwork for Aram.

    BTW, isnt all of this beginning to sound allot like the old Charter Oak vs Amat debate that we have been having for the last two years or so ?

    Dosn;t it seem to you that now that CO has finally gone down hill so to speak, that we see two very interesting developments start to become so apparent ?

    Fisrt of all, we seem to now be looking for a replacement program to challenge Amat because it seems that CO days of being at the top, have finally come to a close. As a practicall matter, now that that CO has begun to tarnish allot of it luster, theses two guys seem hell bent on replacing them with a new rival.

    Number two, without a rival for Amat, does the blog dye ? Do you guys recall me saying that not to long ago ?

    Anyway, its funny in a way, because if you all remember, I once asked that question and now that it seems that while there are other program sthat are doing very wel, we dont have sense of rivalry that existed as once before.

    I guess however, that by going this route, many of the blogger’s as well as the commentators have begun to realize that the debate between CO and Amat, is, for all intense and purposes, over with.

    Amat needs fresh meat and charter oak is dead i’m afraid.

    In fact, we no longer see anyone from the CO community talking smack. You don’t hear or read anyone talking about how CO could easily beat Amat any more. It is as if even the CO faithful have gone full circle now, in that they have now Begun to to start to reference the past

    IN MUCH THE SAME WAY THAT THE AMAT FAITHFUL DID NOT SO LONG AGO.

    You know, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if CO-CURTAIN RODS started his very own “list” (AKA J-AMATS all encompassing one…remember ?), and we started to begin to go down memory road from now on with CO…..

    How sad the state of affairs must be over in Charger country theses days eh ?

    Obviously, the only way to settle this new debate that Arm and Fred have begun to create would be to do so on the field, correct ?

    Well, ounce again we conveniently cannot do this for the simple reason that these two programs will not face one another this year. Thus it becomes a very convenient thing for our loving, and hard working commentators to create a new rivalry, evenhough no one, and I mean no one in the Chino Hills Community is starting to go that route……….yet.

    So, what does it all mean ?

    Is blog dieing ? How cold it be ? We have so many football programs that are really doing so very well this year. Teams that over the recient years that have not had allot of successs are now begining to create an exciting new histoey of thiser own.

    We see new bloggers on this forum this year who have come in here and begun to expess pride in thier new found success.

    It all good because in the end, even though Charter Oak is lying in a pool of blood in some deep dark ally somewhere, mortally wounded, this blog is alive and well.

    We don’t need another rivalry because truth be told, there never was one !

  • AMAT 73

    Aram,
    I have always understood not everything revolves around AMAT or the Serra .I have been around AMAT football for 40 years and have seen some great teams so I know when to get really excited about a team. And the Serra is 9th not 7th . I am not “really excited” about what we have done . Pleased yes, as we are getting better every week be it against non quality opponents as it is being said but the execution is there and they are grasping the offense and the defense is on fire which is what I am excited about.. I am not one of these all AMAT and nothing but AMAT and we are the greatest type of honks. I know our toughest battles lie ahead of us in league. I also can see where Hags is bring the team around with the schedule he has.It is common knowledge we had a problem filling in opponents this year and took what we could and a couple of game are for recruiting purposes. You and a few others have been saying the Damien game should be a yearly game . Why , you just saw the truth of the matter this season but you figured because some of you thought they hung with us last year which the faithful know they didn’t hang shiat, think it’s a good game for the valley. In the same breath you knock us for having Damien on the schedule. Which is it . I do give credit where credit is due and yes I have voiced my opinion of the too much AMAT to Fred but hey can I help it if we are his cash cow so to speak. Now you say CH is one of the top teams in socal . Well I am going on record now as to just wait until CO gets them and justs tears them up . I would love to say AMAT but you and I know we will never see that game so I stand by CO in doing it.Beside why would AMAT schedule another SGV team. You see I do give credit where credit is due ( CO has earned it ) but first you have to earn it and yes the win over Tesoro is a step in the right direction to earn it . And if you read my post I did agree that CH has the tougher SOS over AMAT’S so far . So if feel that strong on it have the nads to make them number one . It won’t hurt my feelings based on your criteria of SOS and quality losses or wins , but as I said do it for all teams not just AMAT because like I said maybe La Habra (Olu, SJB, Servite, all quality losses) would edge out CH in the SOS dept .

  • Mikey

    Best debate we’ve seen in some time!!! both Aram & FredJ mixing it up on both blogs!!!!

    Btw- Where is the Inland Insider??? Come on Tommy!!! put that Mai Tai down and defend your school!!!!

  • FredJ

    The Inland Insider is on vacation in Hawaii, lucky him. He’ll be back on Monday.

  • anonymous

    Just for kicks and giggles, does anybody know the starters for Chino Hills and Amat and their hometowns? It would be kinda eye opening to see all the hometowns for “ALL” the local schools(?)too. I bet there are alot of kids communting to school and not just at AMAT! AGAIN not to prove any sinister or diabolical recruiting plan by any school but justa fact-o-the matter type deal. Keep it up boys, I like this one. Where is CO Fan by the way? I bet his “hometown” roster is pretty interesting too! And don’t forget Damien!!!

  • COChargerfan

    jcaz…why in the world would you feel compelled to write such incendiary garbage on a thread about Amat and CHHS? Nothing but spite, plain and simple. Your homework for the day is to look up Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) and then get back to me (we talked about this disease last year but apparently youve forgotten).

    For the record, it was the Amat fans that have been lying for 14 years in a pool of Pac-5 playoff blood and 90% of the time they would start trash talking about CO with stuff like meaningless “lower division” title, “cracker jack rings”, etc. Now that Amat is playing well and looks poised for a good run in the Pac-5, now you want to jump to an arrogant attitude against a team that wasnt even in the conversation? And you wonder why so many people despise Amat?

    Bottom line is that youve got it all wrong jcaz because CO fans know who they are and they never needed any Amat comparison and, instead, it was always Amat fans that needed to blast CO to soothe their egos after another 1st round playoff lossisnt that the truth?

    And CO is far from being dead. But, like most public schools that cant recruit the best players like Amat can, they are just trying to rebuild hoping for that special cycle of a bunch of players that will allow them to play for another title. Considering that CO is a medium sized school, thats going to be very difficult against the giant Inland schoolsthe fact that you are enjoying COs dilemma really shows everyone what youre really made ofdoesnt it?

    BTW, the CO fans are just as happy as they ever have been and are proud to support their teams. Just wondering, were you hiding at home during those dark Verti years or still going to the games and supporting your team? Id think the latter so why would you presume otherwise for the CO fans?

    The odds are that well both be home in December so you might want to check your trash talk because unless Amat is holding the crown this diatribe will come back to haunt youI can already hear the BEAST typing.

  • whitey

    fred , is there both a good and a bad gladstone? hence they’re rated numbers 29 and 35 on your poll, or is 1 team the infamous Happy Rock squad of the 70s…too much time and energy put forth on this imaginary(trying to sell a few copies ib CH) debate of who is #1 in your coverage area, btw the trib if you can find it is about 5th in circulation there Register,LATimes,Bulletin,La Opinion then the sgvtribune………..

  • JFR

    jcaz,

    We are simply down but not out for the season. The real season begins for CO in two weeks, if Travis is back along with the adjustments made on defense I think we look just fine. We haven’t earned the right to sound off about anything but I’m taking notes on the chest thumpers in here for ammo at the end of league play.

    Amat73, thanks for the prediction, we sure as hell will try to back it up.

  • FredJ

    This was fun, think I’m retiring for the afternoon, good discussion all.

  • kh

    the chino boys looked like they really did there gym road work,not saying the big s vits some looked pretty viened out,huh there not tall monster but all buffed,bonita this year would work c-h over like we did in the baseball tourney last season,now as for beating amat we will never know,so who cares,both playing up to par,lets wait acouple weeks then see how things work out,

  • AMAT 73

    Jcaz,
    Hot damn brother !! I think your death of CO is very premature. They are a young team with plenty of talent. Of course any CO blogger in their right mind other than one, would not be on here talking smack . They know they are facing a whole new ballgame in the Inland. I can see them taking the Sierra this year or at least 2nd. You cannot count them out with the staff they have . If we would have had a similar schedule that we have had in the past we might be 2-2 and would you say we were dead and bleeding on the floor. Of course not just as saying that on CO is way to premature. If they lose to Damien,Ayala,SH , then you speak the truth . But unlike CH they have earned the respect ( 2 time CIF champ ) that until they are proven unworthy by loses to those teams above only then can we think of them as down but never out just as we thought of ourselves during the Verti years. And like I wrote earlier mark my words they will put the wood to CH when the time comes.

  • SGV FOOTBALL

    Jack AZZ,

    What does this thread have to do with CO? Yes your trying to make a comparison but what you are really trying to do is throw jabs at CO and CO faithful. Sh!t like that makes me want to hate the Amat fan base, but I can’t hate my sister she was an alum at Amat. For the record you are the one now bringing back what has been dead for a while which is the comparison between CO and Amat you know, that team that has been non existant in D1 football for the past 15 years!!! All I can say is that Aram and Fred know who they want as 1 & 2 in the Valley and thats CO and Amat in no particular order. Chino Hills better be ready because because in a few weeks CO will be knocking at that door and they better be ready to take it in the mouth because CO has more skilled players than Tesoro and Redlands East Valley this year. They are young but are improving every day…

  • Friday Lights

    Very nice debate! Yes Amats Pre league schedule is garbage. But it is no worse than when we started playing CO, WESCO, and Damien. Remember they only schedule us if we’re down. Serra league is our ace in the hole for this debate. The 2 leagues are not comparable Serra hands down wins. But the top of Inland especially centenial is on par with pac 5. CH has 2 good wins only one more than Amat so i guess they win that argument. Crespi beat a highly ranked vista murrieta team, so when we play crespi next friday that could very well end this debate. Oh and this has way more merit than any CO/Amat argument. CO never schedules up NEVER! unless they want us when we’re down and we still win. Damien schedules us because its there biggest payday not because it is a competitive rivalry. 22-4-1 against Damien. That is not a rivalry. Damien can you say cha-ching. Back to CH. The loss is the kicker but if you want to crown them then crown em!

  • jcaz

    Well, I just spent about 15 minutes banging out an answer to all of this, but in teh end, the darn thing wouldnt take,

    So, I guess Im going to have to paraphrase what I just wrote.

    Bottom line is that Charter Oak has lost more games over the last few weeks than they have over the past few years. The facts are the even now, both Aram and Fred are trying their best to find a suitable replacement for CO because even they themselves realize that Charter Oaks time at the top is a distant memory.

    Like the old adage goes, tell me what you’ve done for me lately bubba.

    Anyway, believe it or not, I really didn’t want CO to sink so low because the problem with all of this was that I was a little bit concerned that that with the drop off in talent and the move up to a better league, that CO was going to create a situation where this blogg started to suffer.

    After all, how can you have a rivalry if you don;t have a rival ?

    However, as we can all see, there are a number of programs out there who are even now doing very well with respect to their football programs. They are showing so much success that their following is even now posting so much smack, that they have ene filed up entire threads !

    I mean, all of that stuff before was solely limited to the CO/Amat crowd that many bloggers actually started to complain about the CO/Amat smack always taking center stage.

    But its not like that any more. I mean, when was the last time anyone in here can remember where people at Workman and Norco or any other school, were going at it so feverishly ?

    In any event, the thing that makes this all so amusing to me anyway, is that everybody got their panties all in bunch.

    In a way, im not surprised the COFAN has taken me to task, but I am somewhat surprised that so may of the CO faithful haven’t really come on here to give me the business. The fact that JFR and SGV Football were so nice about it, kinda threw me off a little bit to tell you the truth.

    But hey, its still early right ?

  • JFR

    AAmat73, JoeAmat &jcaz,

    Since we have a bye week I was wondering if I could come to your lot with my blue plastic cup and get some carne asada. I’ll bring the pepsi and pay my way. Wouldn’t want to stir up “question” again.

  • fine print

    COChargerfan & SGV FOOTBALL – I know you guys are just used to reading th ebig letter and looking at the pictures, but it is fair game to comment on anything in the story. It appears to me that the one team that felt it had a legitimate claim to the top spot is now floundering at #6 in their new found home as a “middle-sized school” among all the excuses that now come with that preemptive strike.

  • reality

    REV beat OLu 10-6. OLu beat Garfield 15-3. Maybe not much difference. REV and Tesoro are overrated. Tesoro was a non playoff team in the South Coast League

  • Pointless

    This conversation is pointless… When Amat has a so called “soft schedule” they don’t deserve to be #!.. When Amat beats a nationally ranked St. Boneventure… a verteran Sherman Oaks Notre Dame.. or a Mater Dei.. they don’t deserve to be #1… I’m just glad that every game.. every year since Hagerty has been on board… the team has IMPROVED.. and has done a fine job representing the SGV in one of the hardest divisions and leagues within high school football… Charter Oak and South HIlls is having a hard time adjusting to Division 2.. So I’m happy that Chino Hills defeated REV and Tesoro.. Why? Because I support SGV football.. not the Inland.. and of course not the OC.. Go Lancers..

  • Jastrab

    I believe a few of you mentioned CH and Amat, but the kids attending Amat recently (based on the middle school/Canyon Hills) appear to be Ayala kids, not CH.

    I believe a lot of those kids must have been influenced by the Ayala/Amat series played in the mid to late 90′s.

    I live right in the heart of CH county (above Alterra Park) and few if any kids go to Amat. If CH and Amat played it would be great, but you would seem some trend to kids from Townsend Middle to Amat much like you saw in the 90′s with the Ayala series.

    Damien seems to have a better foothold in CH country based on the car stickers I see in the hood. BTW, does Price’s daughter still go to Amat?

    CH is really SGV Far East and nearly everyone I run into went to Covina, South Hills, Northview, West Covina and Edgewood. A bit of white flight you might say.

    -J

  • jcaz

    JFR

    You are always welcome in our house brother…
    :)

  • COChargerfan

    Fine printyour problem is that there is absolutely nothing in the story about Amat vs. COthats NOTHING. And CO has a young team full of new faces so what does that have to do with the quality of the past two CO teams? I dont think you fully grasp what the CIF did to Glendora, CO, South Hills and Damien by putting them in the Inland instead of the old Central. Has it dawned on you that the top Inland teams are as good or better than the very best in the Pac-5? Because they are pal so for all intent and purpose CIF moved CO into the Pac-5 eastso COs football team is playing at the same Division level as Amat so think about that when you start talking about floundering in our new Division…because it isnt floundering but, instead, will be getting beat by teams in a Division that includes the best of the bestsame predicament as Amat. Does that put it all into perspective?

    Realitydid you remember that Amat beat Garfield 23-0? It is true that last year Tesoro missed the playoffs after losing close games to Dana Hills and San Clemente. But, the year before they played in the Pac-5 finals where they lost 20-17 to LB Poly and wound up ranked 7th in the Stateso theyre not exactly the dog that you tried to paint with the non-playoff team stuff. And you must have missed that the Times ranked Tesoro at #21and Tesoro beat Santa Margarita who in turn beat DRanch 56-0, Carson 56-14 (a team that beat Mater Dei) and Los Alamitos 31-7. The fact the CHHS defense only gave up 13 points to a high scoring Tesoro team means a lot to those that are paying attention.

    jcaz…didnt mean anything personal but I’m sick and tired of the CO vs. Amat comparison. And since CO and Amat dont actually play each other, there isnt any actual rivalryend of story.

  • jcaz

    COFAN

    Its cool, in fact, like I said, was kinda expecting it from you, to tell you the truth.

    Look, COFAN, I have to admit that more often than not, I like to come in here and ruffle a few feathers every now and then, but in all honesty, you are perhaps one of the best bull schiters in here.

    I mean dude, you dont realize just how good you are sometimes !

    All kidding aside dude, one of the reasons why I kinda like you so much, is that when you come in here and trash talk, you do it so very well. In fact, I honestly think that the reason you piss off so many of the honks in here, is because you are able to articulate so many of your thoughts and make an argument that seems to fly most of the time.

    Sometimes I laugh at the kind of reactions you get in here, because as soon as you post something, invariably, someones going to take exception to what you have said.

    In many ways, its like watching a chess game between a 5 year old and a grand master. You baffle them with so much Bull Schitz, that they really have to work hard at getting their facts straight

    Actually, you do this so well that it makes even me, laugh.

    So, COFAN, whenever you see me in here talking crap, just keep in mind that its all for fun. Schitz and giggles like I always like to say.

    Nothing more and nothing less….

  • COChargerfan

    jcaz…I mean it that I’ve got nothing but respect for you also. My post yesterday afternoon was a little harsh so I do apologize…looks like late afternoon grumpiness got the better of me which is why I mostly post early morning with a warm cup of coffee and the optimism that comes with a new day.

    I like a good discussion and have also been known to rattle the fences from time to time. Problem is that people take this all too personal and that includes myself at times.

    Bottom line is that were arguing about a bunch of young men that are playing high school sportsno matter what school they play for, theyre all having the times of their livesso it is all good, which is something that you understand.

    Amat fansgood luck as the season begins.

  • LANCER 4 LIFE

    TO KH, bonita v AMAT, we would never know,are you serious? Get off this blog you delusional freak. Don’t mention those two schools in the same sentence.YOU REALLY THINK SO HA,OK NEXT YEAR bonita v AMAT YOU GOT IT!

  • Joe Amat

    It sure has been one heckuva “debate” for one where there should be none – yet.

    Aram’s first statement was he was having this “debate in his mind” about who should be #1 in his “All-Encompassing” list. Team A starts at #1, remains undefeated, has looked impressive (regardless of what some might think-especially in retrospect), and has a win better than any one else in the conversation. Debate over.

    Aram points to the “strength of the Inland” then goes and points out that 3 of the top 10 leagues in the Nation – and the only real Inland “power” (the Big VIII) is not in that list.AT continues to point out that the South Coast is at #4 while the Serra is presently at #7. Splitting hairs when it comes to the 100s or 1000s of leagues nationwide – but that strength is largely on the back of Mission Viejo (as the Trinity at 2 is presently riding Servite)

    When others (COChargerfan) point to the “best teams in the Inland being “as good or better” than the top teams in the Pac5 – what they’re really saying is that a “team and a half” may be better. Right now Centennial is as good as anybody – but remember their win was against a Blackwell-less Mater Dei team. Norco looked great against Crenshaw, but until we see them against someone in the Division it’s tough to tell. If Loyola was still a “grind-it-out” team they’d be a nice match for the Lancers and as they move more to the spread to accommodate the younger Gebhart, I’d love to see that matchup in the preseason. They are a great Inland program.

    However let’s not discount so quickly what Crespi just did to Vista Murietta. – and you have to take into account the common opponent between Crespi and Amat when trying to compare those results. It does make me chuckle when people refer to “it was the 1st game of the year and they’ve improved… as if it wasn;t everybody elses 1st game and they won’t improve too. Think the Lancers are a bit better today than they were with their limited playbook vs Garfield? Those same folks point to Tesoro’s win over local rival Santa Margarita in an early season game. Think Santa Margarita is better now? We’ll see how that Tesoro thing works out. There certainly is no love loss between Tesoro and Santa Margarita – as Tesoro is rumored to be the one who complained about RSMCHS’s “Open House” to introduce Welch and their facilities. That emotion can scew results too. Does Tesoro have any other quality wins? Valley Christian (360) , South Hills(260) , and West Adams Prep (467)? Thats FAR, FAR, FAR worse than Amat’s 3 worst opponents! And we’re going to point to Tesoro’s “great record” as a measuring stick for Chino Hills?

    My feeling on scheduling is pretty well documented here. If your league is tough – you can afford some “strategic” scheduling in preleague. If your league is weak – schedule up to test yourself. Hagerty has certainly executed some “strategerie” in scheduling this year that will pay off in future incoming classes – if you get my drift. Chino Hills or Rancho might be next on the list. No need to go any deeper in the Inland. Sorry – there is really no need to do so, but that’s another post.

    What I do like when reading the debate is people, like Aram and COChargerfan, are coming in with facts to back up their opinion. And they have a right to have an opinion…. as incorrect as it may be ;-)

  • Basic

    Looser4Life,

    Why you got to go hating on the Bearcats? because of KH? come on now, he is just throwing a little pebble in the water is all but you don’t even want the two schools mentioned in the same sentence? Well that is how the Baseball teams feels, you guys will NOT play us avoid the same tourneys and give BS excuses so why is that??? Look I actually think it would be a great Baseball game between these two schools so why avoid the Bearcats? Now as for Football, you are right, we have no business playing the likes of the Mighty amat, however, this year (THIS YEAR) Bonita healthy gives amat a game and no I am not talking about the QB although that helps but about all the other injuries as well and more so about the man child CH, play us with a healthy team and we make a better game of it than you think. Do I think we would win? no, probably not but we scare the C*AP out of you.

    This is why so many are bothered by amat, the arrogance…. and I know it’s not all, as we have many close friends with kids there but some of you really do spoil it for the rest…

  • my side hurts

    Bonita – Amat..lol
    BBBaaaaHahahahahahahahaha

    You sound like you from Azusa…..lol
    BBBaaaaHahahahahahahahahaha

  • Chino Hills Husky Fan

    People keep saying that Tesoro isn’t that good. They beat Santa Margarita who is on a tear. They have beaten Mission Viejo 2 of the last 3 years and lost 20-17 in the pac 5 title game against Poly2 years ago> I think Amat fans would love to have that kind of success…But wait, they won’t schedule any other pac 5 opponents and they have not advanced past the second round of the playoffs in ages. Tesoro will be the second place team in their league unless they can catch a lot of breaks and beat Mission (highly unlikely)….Maybe they will get Amat in the playoffs???

  • dranchhhh

    Ill tell you how stupid this debate it, have any of the 2 schools made it to the finals or gotten a ring in the last year? Rankings are for entertainment purposes. I love teams that go 10-0 in reg season and get the boot in 1st or 2nd rnd of the playoffs. Stuffs hilarious in fact! If I had to “entertain” choosing a number 1 now, it would be CH. SHAME That we are questioning a number 1 team and league hasn’t even started for some…..SMH!

  • LANCER 4 LIFE

    TO basic, we avoid you in tourneys by getting invited to real ones you genius. You would scare the cr*p out of us really, were shaking in our boots. 56-6 would be the score, IN YOUR BEST YEARS ASK CO! bonita is good for that division but come on.

  • AMAT 73

    JFR,
    You are welcome anytime and you save money on the blue cups as you can use at your home games also. But this Friday is our Homecoming and also the annual Alumni BBQ with a meet and greet after the game . I am not one for the tailgating but maybe another AMAT honk will pass an invite.

  • kh

    sir lot lancer
    we don’t fear any man,but respect all humans.
    this year team would give amat a run for your money,not take your money,gamble for it.
    went back and looked at some teams you guys played.there a couple with winning records,then i looked at pa
    so many points allowed,there bad.
    whose the big team you guys will be contested for league and cif
    you will and have good young athletes to build a strong program,
    now getting to the top,that’s coaching my friends
    good luck nobody’s hating on l.p. higher school.
    but to just say ch and amat our are only two teams in area battling from top notch of the area is foolish,remember fred was sky high on glendora early in the pre season,
    so let the season go on my friends,
    we all know win league first,
    then one game at a time.the real goal is to have what i have,a cif championship patch…..
    you can only get them from getting the job done between the lines.
    go bearcats

  • Basic

    L4L,
    Like I said, BS excuses, the reason you don’t play in local tourneys is because it would kill your recruiting to loose to local public schools like Bonita and Glendora, which we all know you would loose to 8 out of 10 times…

    As for football, like I said, you have a point, we loose to you probably 98 out of 100 times but this year and I am only talking about this year with a fully Healthy team (which we are not and therefore, I think we will loose two games this year before playoffs maybe three) but fully Healthy this year we give you a better game than the mighty bulldogs of Garfield. I see a 35-28 game, yes you winning but no way a 56-6. And BTW, Rio (a great kid and stud athlete) could not even start over Santiago in Jr All-American, so don’t go thinking this IS the team, if anything last year’s team was better…

  • IE TOWN

    Would love to see Amat schedule us and Norco soon!

    It’s interesting seeing how they schedule pre-season in the SGV.

    Joe talks a big game but lets face it, the pre-season scheduling might be a little over-rated..

  • kh

    fred vs aram
    fred you got worked bro,
    just watched debute,he owned you bro,
    aram was prepared with strong stats to back up his works.
    ch-hs looks much better the amat now hereing the two sides.good job aram,
    see us little bloggers can never do what you did too fred live,love it,all last baseball season i placed facts on the table,fred joked them away.we were 1 pitch from winning the cif ring.amat long gone in play-offs at a lower div.
    if compare like you guys just did then we will take the sh va amat baseball game last season,great game to watch i was there enjoyed it to the last pitch,,,fred this year please make that game bonita vs amat i beg you.this might be bonitas best team ever on paper.so you played sh best and beat them now its are turn fred please.dont it…
    back to debute amat wins 4 to 3 over sh.
    sh gets beat bye lancaster 8 to 5 cif bonita boat races lancaster 13 to 1 in cif.amat ch out early in cif,,,theres my story fred,
    aram wins debute,bonita was better in baseball last season then sh and amat like i said,but fred fred fred just kept rating amat sh all year long.
    aram the reason i side with you a little more is because of your name a=ram —t.c. rams
    once aram always a=ram

  • Amat Honk

    Sorry JFR, but as George Thoroughgood said…”I “tailgate” alone, yeeeeaaaah, with nobody else…” BUT, if you cruise the Picnic area, I’m sure you’ll find more than enough friendly Amat Folk to feed your need. Go Lancers!

  • Don

    I share Basic’s perspective on the Amat fan(s) who blow off Bonita’s chances against the Lancers. Maybe Monsignor’s Sunday sermon will draw from the Book of Proverbs and lessen the chest thumping from those who listen.

    As for the polls, rankings, ratings, etc., I’d only suggest they are all only as valid as each other. Sondheimer at the Times has his bias’, the CIF polls are so meaningless until playoff time as to be downright silly, and the local versions, like Aram’s and Fred’s, are not what one would call the picture of scientific thought. Even the Freeman Ratings, probably the one’s with the strongest base of quantifiable facts to support it, is a little suspect until a couple weeks of league games have been played.

    I therefore continue to be amazed at how many take them so seriously.

    Better to consider them the same way I do my chances with Penelope Cruz: fun to consider, interesting to talk about, but in the end, strictly hypothetical.

  • Wacha talkin about Willis?

    Amat vs. Bonita…..would be a very boring lopsided game. Probably worse than the Damien pounding. I would predict 70-6 blowout, with all of their healthy studs in there. The only SGV team that would put up a good fight is CO and maybe WesCove.

  • Bonita Holidaze

    Look at La Isla Bonita coming in here trying to measure up to Amat. Save it Bonita Fan, Amat playing Bonita would be like Amat playing Walnut. Didn’t Walnut beat you last season or the season before. I am glad you are having a good year over there at Bonita but many have ventured to compare themselfs and play Amat even in Amat down years, only to come back beat and humiliated. Two different levels of HS football here. Amat this year does not leave their starters in for the whole game, given that, most scores would be higher if they did. Hagerty knows when to pull back his horses. Trust me Bonita you play Amat for 4 full quarters, starters vs starters and you will be embarrassed. It is ok to think you can, but until you do get on the field with Amat you are talking from where the sun dont shine. I have been on the other sideline vs Amat and once the game starts and you are on the same field, there is no where to hide, you must play the 4 quarters and man will they kick your azz. Example:One bowl of Dog food to eat and there is a little dog and a big dog, well guess who gets to eat the food, thats right the big dog and remember in this case the Big Dog is Amat. Play your schedule Bonita good luck with it and I hope for your success, as far as Amat and Bonita, Bonita people save it as you dream of what you want for Christmas.

  • Norco

    IE TOWN ….

    I know Norco will be looking for a #1 & #2….Shaw does not want to renew the contract…I guess maybe because they were 1-3 against Norco. Norco is looking for a team that travels well…Amat would be a great game…

  • Basic

    Daze,
    So who on here came and said Bonita would win??? Exactly, maybe you should change your name to Dazed and Confused cause no one said the Bearcats would win, as a matter of fact I said 98 out of 100 amat would win. Now what I did say was that a Fully Healthy Bonita THIS year would give amat a better game than that huge win you guys had against the might bulldogs of Garfield…But this is exactly what bugs most people, the Arrogance of amat/raider nation. Look I actually like the school and know many of the kids and a lot of parents and for the most part they are all good but the few do spoil it for the many…

  • Amat Honk

    Basic-Cut him some slack. He’s probably a Freshman Parent “All caught up” in the season. It’ll click, eventually. Peace. Go Big Blue!!!

  • Bonita Paper Tiger

    Basic says a close game with Amat this year? Keeping drinking that bearcat koolaid. It would not be a close game. 35-28? are you kidding me? Your having a good year Basic keep it at that, your making yourself and the people of Bonita look loke fools to say you are on par with Amat this year is a joke. As far as Rio Ruiz and Santiago, Santiago JAA Years do not count when it comes to HS football. Ever hear of the stud Kid in JJA or that great Pony Baseball player that got passed up by the guy that played behind him as a Kid. Yes growth spurts and talent finds its way of coming out at the HS level far and beyond those kiddie years. Santiago is good but he could noway be the Amat QB. Rio has come along way further then Santiago and Rio is a Junior. Amat 63 Bonita 3 (I am being nice here)

  • NotSince1995

    Don’t you have to win in order to have a Rivalry?

    1995 is a long distant memory…Last Century in fact! Your Seniors were 1 or 2 years old and your Freshmen were not even born…! Before the Ipod, the Laptop computer…You know how this goes!

    Bottom line is that Bishop Amat is a .500 team over the last 10 years. .500 as in lost as many games as they won! 2010 team is way Overrated and just like last year will get destroyed in the playoffs by a far superior Pac-5 Team.

    Like the old adage goes…”These old shoes feel good when I stomp on them!”

    How can you have a rivalry if Amot doesn’t win?

    Charter Oak and Chino Hills will be just fine! Its early…!

    But its NOT 1995…!

  • NotSince1995

    BishopNation Annual Meltdown:

    2009: Lakewood HS 34 – 17 A** whipping

    2008: Long Beach Poly 21 – 17 (1st round Loss)

    2007: Oh wait…was that the 3 – 7 year? Playoffs? Pla…Play…Playoffs?

    2006: Oh wait…was that the year the Notre Dame biatch slapped you 49 – 0? Or was that the year that Crespi spotted you 14 points before smacking you down 35 -14? Playoffs? Pla…Play…Playoffs? Can you say 5 – 5 record?

    2005: 6 – 4? Really? What about Playoffs? Pla…Play…Playoffs?

    Trust me pleople…2000 to 2004 was worse!

    Two things are certain in November – Thanksgiving and The BishopNation Annual Meltdown! Like clock work!!!

    BishopNation…this is NOT 1995!

  • jcaz

    No sense 95

    Naaaaa,

    Reall, not so good there.

    BUT….at least your giving it the old college try. Generally speaking of course, talking smack is a form of art, because even though it seems to be an easy thing to do (To the common layman of course….he he he), there really is a technique to it all.

    Now, as for you and you childish jibberish, well, I kinda think all you need is a little bit of polish.

    But, just between you and I, “no sense”….you got a ways to go before you can really say that your as big a “potty mouth” as the reast of the big boys in here.

    Work on it a bit, and get back to me later k

  • http://www.google.com/ bobkomas

    I love music like “Queen”. What about you?

  • The Prodigals Son

    HA,HA,HA…Well look who’s back to take another swing? You can’t hide behind a different screen name scumbag. I know who you are. I’m sure it’s just a matter of time before you revert back to your old racists, Amat Hating self. Kinda good to have you back, although your bite is watered down w/o the racial overtones. In fact, that’s all you really had going for you to make you semi-interesting. Now it appears you will just be another Amat Hater in a long, looonnggg line of Amat Haters. Your PATHETIC SGV’s, opps, I mean non-sense 1995. HA,HA,HA!!! You’ve been gone this long and that’s the best you could come up with? You-Are-A-Clown!!!!!

  • COChargerfan

    Hmmm…looks to me that 1995′s post is accurate. Amat guys, when are you going to learn that every time one of you gets really arrogant then this stuff is coming next.

    Look at it this way, every time some SGV team is feeling their oats, they start thinking that maybe we could play with Amat this year…it’s a compliment so don’t be so taken back and defensive.

    And Bonita, so all the talk is that you have some skill guys this year, but not a peep about your hogs. Now Amat has some big hogs and unless you can match up in the trenches my bet is that they would turn you into bacon…that’s Football 101 talking.

    And nice try Joe Amat, except Tesoro is #21 on the Times’ list and are probably no worse that the 10th best team in the 28 team Pac-5…so let’s slot CHHS at #10. Just wodnering, should we also remove Amat from the Times’ list because of their weak schedule? And the Times has Norco at #7 with only MV, Servite and Lakewood above them so doesn’t that make them the 4th best in the Pac-5…with Centennial the 3rd? This isn’t my opinion but instead is the Times’ poll that BTW so many Amat fans love dearly.

    So, per the Times, the Inland has 3 teams that would be in the top 10 of the Pac-5. Sure, the Pac-5 is much stronger when you start comparing the other top 15 teams but so what because whether it be the Pac-5 or Inland the title goes through the top 2-3 teams.

  • NotSince1995

    SGV:

    Have you heard…?

    La Llorona is coming to So Cal for Halloween and she’s sticking around for Thanksgiving! Her next stop… Keeblers Field to deliver what is now known as the annual SGV Nightmare tradition…”The BishopNation Playoff Meltdown!”

    Who will it be this year…? The Monster from Orange County? Or will it be The Terror from the San Fernando Valley? I can hear Vincent Price laughing in the background! Louder and Louder!

    Mr. Jack Ass, care for a little more salt on that well done “16 year old” wound? Wow…that is a deep wound! How long have you gusanos been in there, Burro? You’re not gonna heal that wound any time soon, Jack Ass!

    This is NOT 1995!

    BishopNation…Who loves you baby???

    Sincerely
    Your Arrogant Conscience

  • Basic

    Paper boy, I mean tigerrrrrrr….
    Dude, no one said we are on par with the might amat, all I said and keep saying is that IF Fully Healthy the Bearcats would give you a better game than that Powerhouse you guys played in Garfield oooohhh scarrrryyyyyy….

    But this is why so many dislike some of the amat/raider nation, the arrogance, saying that my comments about making it a better game are, according to you “a joke” and that the score would be “Amat 63 Bonita 3 (I am being nice here)” yeah that is you being nice. So according to you Garfield would beat Bonita by 40, right??? Give me a break…

    CO Fan, you are right, our hogs are not ready for the slaughter house (not big enough) but like you said we do have so great skilled position guys and an aggressive defense, so yeah I still think we would give amat a better game than Garfield did and that is all I’ve been trying to say. If you read through my comments, you’d see that I myself said “I think we will loose two games this year before playoffs maybe three” So I am not being crazy…Well maybe I am, a little…

  • Amat = Mater Dei Wanna Be’s

    You Amat fans think you are a part of some special dominant football program like Mater Dei. You guys crow like you have had a successful program in recent years. Like the previous posts have stated, your program is very AVERAGE for the last 10 years. Being a private school, you should be able to legally recruit the best talent around and be able to compete in the pac 5. Truth is, top recruits are not knocking at your door.You brag about your dominance so far this year when you have played one decent team….Dominguez. Now if you were playing a schedule like Mission Viejo, Servite, Corona Centenniel or other SUCCESSFUL programs do, I’d see your point. So you guys keep talking about how great you are and we’ll see what happens come playoff time….you’ll make it to the 2nd round at best…then sit home and watch the real Pac 5 teams compete. I am not an Amat hater, I am just calling it as I see it…..you want to boast about your dominance, I choose to look at reality.

  • Playoffs? were talking Playoffs?

    Whoa Basic! Your last 3 games of your season will be losses (spelled losses not loose), Rowland, West Covina and Diamond Ranch. You keeping it close with Amat is funny. Play your scedule before you come in here sizing up to Amat. Walnut seems to have your number as well. Dont count on the playoffs just yet there are some teams in the Hacienda that are coming to get Bonita as you keep running your Mouth here.

  • slow you rroll

    Basic – so I guess you think Bonita could play Orange Lutheran to a 12 pt game? I don;t. Even this year. St Paul beat Ayala by more than they beat Garfield. St Paul would roll the Bearcats – and they won’t even think of scheduling Amat – for good reason.
    Let’s wait until the seasons over before you judge Garfield. Everyone was down on Dominguez when Amat scheduled them – until they made it to the CIF SemiFinals. People thought Muir was bad a year ago-until they put a scare in your nemesis Charter Oak in the playoffs.

  • real debate?

    I thought this debate was Amat’s ranking among SGV schools – not their ranking in the Pac 5.
    Those are different debates. It is possible, and highly likely, that Amat is among the Top 10 teams in the Pac 5 (this eliminated at some point) and still head and shoulders above the rest of the SGV teams.
    But as soon as this topic is broached – everyone immediately goes to the “what have you done in the playoffs?” line of questioning. This is irrelevant – if we’re talking about the SGV
    Kapish?

  • Friday Lights

    At nonsense 95
    Hey dont tell us what school u rep cause that would basically cripple your fingers and keep you from typing. Lakewood and Poly both close games oh and we have winning records against both schools all time. Hold your applause. Come to a game get a program we post all time records against all schools played. Very few have winning records over us. Not saying we’re the best of all time just the best of the SGV of all time oh and definetly one of the best in D1 all time. when it come to reppin this valley it starts and stops at AMAT!

  • Amat > Mater Dei

    Amat = Mater Dei Wanna Be’s – since you brought up th eMonarchs – check the last two results of the Amat Wanna Be’s against the Butterflies. Not in the distant past – but in the last 5 years
    http://is.gd/fPQ4h
    http://is.gd/fPQ7r
    Might wanna ask Matt Barkley from USC how he liked facing the Lancers. He spent much of the night on his back looking up to see 3 picks

  • Amat > Mater Dei

    Amat = Mater Dei Wanna Be’s – since you brought up th eMonarchs – check the last two results of the Amat Wanna Be’s against the Butterflies. Not in the distant past – but in the last 5 years
    http://is.gd/fPQ4h
    http://is.gd/fPQ7r
    Might wanna ask Matt Barkley from USC how he liked facing the Lancers. He spent much of the night on his back looking up to see 3 picks

  • Amat > Mater Dei

    Amat = Mater Dei Wanna Be’s – since you brought up th eMonarchs – check the last two results of the Amat Wanna Be’s against the Butterflies. Not in the distant past – but in the last 5 years
    http://is.gd/fPQ4h
    http://is.gd/fPQ7r
    Might wanna ask Matt Barkley from USC how he liked facing the Lancers. He spent much of the night on his back looking up to see 3 picks

  • kh

    mr,amats
    Went on max prep,you guys have 18 guys out of 78 who are over 200 lbs
    5 guys only over 235 the rest sit just over 200.
    in saying that your small and will get crushed come play-off time,after looking at your small team,ok i saw 2 lards over 285, bet there real fast and quick off the ball,
    bonita would hand your small sized of streght team ,every bit of a game,am sorry but are athletes would still be standing strong at the end of the game,last season sh had some really big boys but late in the 3nd quarter they started to drop and we tied the score 21 to 21.this isnt the nlf where big guys rule,in h.s. most big guys are soft and lazy,4th quarter breathing like a greyhound chasing the rabbit,
    ok you beat damein,wow…. we open are first scrimmage against them,20 plays later we sroced 3 times my friend,if your all that and by seeing what some blogger gather up .your record sucks come play-off time,,,,make us all believers.nobody but amat fans pump you guys up,this is 2011 bring it.
    go bonita bearcats

  • From Aram’s Blog

    http://is.gd/fPRm9

    Hard Truth from Non-BA fan said:
    When Compton Domiguez beat Crespi and Notre Dame and when Garfield gave Orange Lutheran a very hard time, Bishop Amat’s schedule was no longer considered “cupcake.” Even before the season started, Bishop’s schedule was already ranked the toughest in the San Gabriel Valley despite not having an OL or a St. Bonn on schedule (Damien was a close 2nd).

    October 7, 2010 7:50 AM

    FYI – Chino Hills is NOT in the SGV and not even in Los Angeles County

  • THE TRUTH

    COCF,notsince1995,sgvbest, and so forth,
    Just come clean man . We know you are this fool . You side with his posts on Amat to the point as if you wrote them yourself, oh wait you did. You out of all the bloggers on here are the only one who sides with the jerk .You remember your famous line he really got you guys this time . And you have posted some questionable lines with racial overtones and have backed the jerk in his . So just come clean by a man and post those words under your own name, COCF.

  • MY OH MY

    My oh my look who’s back and with a new name. sgvbest twerp.You had to change your name huh. Why not make it eatingshiat2010. You just couldn’t keep the sgvbest going . What’s up with that jerk . Be true to yourself at least and keep your same name or are you embarrassed of that now . Hey what you got to say about that defense now idiot.

  • Basic

    Slow…
    Why are you bringing in all these other schools??? We are only talking about amat and the Bearcats (when Fully Healthy) giving you a better game than the mighty Garfield but I agree, let’s wait till the end of the season and see if Garfield can win a city 4a title or even a 3a title.

    Playoffs,
    Thanks for the English lesson, however, when I am going to “lose” 3 games in the future, I do not say “I am going to losses 3 games” So thanks but no thanks.
    Now as far as the Bearcats Losing 3 games, hey I am the one that originally brought it up but thanks for agreeing with me…

  • AMAT 73

    kh,
    Hope everything is well with you and KC. Great season so far for the Bearcats. Now back to issue. We have not been known for having big lines either on O or D . The most we have had is a couple of big offensive tackles here and there and good size for the rest . What they are is quick and well coached as far as technique and blocking schemes. We leave the pounding up to the backs . That is where the fatigue of the opponent comes in . Having to run after and tackle the bruisers carrying the ball. Yes fighting off the blocks adds to it but the backs cause the fatigue to the defenders. Our big guys are not soft by any means so comparing SH linemen to AMAT’s is way off base. They mainly only play offense so are fresh by not going both ways as SH’s linemen do . Big difference in that fact. As far as Damien we had I believe 3 or 4 three and outs on them to start the game and scored everytime we had the ball in a game against their first team not a scrimmage where plays are worked on and players tried out, 35-0 at the half and we made some mistakes on offense that could have been scores which might have made it 49-0 at the half. Now I am not saying Bonita would not give us a hell of a game because it would be a battle I’m just saying you need to see our brand of football before making a judgement like you did. I invite you to come out and see AMAT play during league and then evaluate what you actually see . You are right in the fact of our playoff record while it doesn’t exactly suck we do need to go further and each of the last few years we have done so . Good luck to you and the Bearcats the rest of the season .

  • COChargerfan

    Hey TRUTH, I always use the same screen name…COChargerfan…that is in ALWAYS. I’m not your Chupacabra. Besides, I read on this blog that jcaz was the Chupa so unless I’m also jcaz…just messing with you but the point is that this all sounds really silly because neither jcaz or myself are the BEST.

    And I do remember the facts…you all accused the BEST of being a racist against Hispanics and he responded that he is a Mexican to which I said that he just dropped the get out of jail free card…a card that he knew that he could play anytime that he wanted…so he gamed all you guys that were outraged thinking that he was some racist white dude.

    And how does my confirmation of the scores that he posted make me the BEST? Do you agree that the scores are accurate? If so, doesn’t that also make you a suspect in the BEST identity search? Think about it.

  • TRUTH AGAIN

    COChargerfan,
    If I am not mistaken someone brought it to your attention that people of the same race could be racist against their very own race.But you think because the fool says he is Mexican that is a get out of jail free card. Why does that make it ok . Being a Mexican allows one to speak bad of the Mexican race or being Anglo to speak bad of other Anglos and so on ? Do us a favor and give us your vast insight as to why one of a certain race ( Mexican or any other ) can bad mouth others of the same race ( Mexican or any other ) just because they are the same race and it not being racist. If you have the ballz to reply.

  • slow you rroll

    Basic – if I remember – YOU were the one who brought up Garfield. So YOU were the one that made it NOT just about Amat & Bonita. So you opened the door on Garfield (and the teams they play) Good move

  • COChargerfan

    TRUTH…don’t believe everything you read because the very definition of racism involves the hatred of someone against another that is of a different race. You ever heard of a Federal or State racial hate crime being brought against a white on white, black on black or brown on brown crime? It has never happened and never will because by definition one is assumed under the law to not hate your own skin.

    Think about this…when the BEST drops a menudo reference he’s not just making fun of others but also includes himself so how is that racism? It’s not, instead, it is self-examination, reflection, mocking your own skin…all not racism.

  • ONE MORE TIME

    COChargerfan,
    If you believe all what you just wrote you must have your head in the sand and will not face the realities of life. We are not talking crimes here fool we are talking what is being written as far as his comments although they could be thought of as hate crimes maybe.Look up the word and nowhere does it state you have to be of a different race according to the Websters dictionary , but I forgot you know more than them . Plus how are you so sure he is a Mexican, because he wrote it . My you put a lot of faith in the words of a moron to tell the truth on the blog . You know damn well the menudo part is not what is meant as to what your friend sgvbestracist posts or are you that stupid which I am really starting to believe by your latest piece of work .

  • Tsk, Tsk Bearcats!

    Of all schools, Bonita should know better than making a foolish claim that they could play Bishop Amat well. Where do you people come from and are you for real? What world do you guys follow prep football on because it isn’t Earth.

    2009
    Diamond Ranch 36, Bonita 29
    Bishop Amat 41, Diamond Ranch 13

    2008
    West Covina 28, Bonita 18
    Bishop Amat 42, West Covina 6

    2007
    Canyon 49, Bonita 28
    West Covina 28, Canyon 21
    Rancho Cucamonga 42, West Covina 21
    Bishop Amat 23, Rancho Cucamonga 7

    2010
    BA has beat Compton Dominguez who has beat Crespi (who just beat Inlands #1) and Notre Dame. BA beat Garfield who harassed Orange Lutheran. Lutheran played tough games against La Habra (who many were saying should be ranked above BA) and Redlands East Valley. These are some of the best football schools in Southern California! Also, Bonita High School has absolutely NO experience playing a Pac-5 school (not even a scrappy crappy one).

    And yet, KH and certain Bearcats, you expect Bonita to be able to hang with Bishop Amat because Bonita has a big line? LOL! Its no wonder why Bishop Amat fans get pissed and sound off when someone claims they can go toe to toe with the Big Boys when they have never gone toe to toe with any Big Boy EVER.

    Stick to the Fishbowl and the Smudgepot were you belong and leave the regional powerhouse contests to the actual Big Boys.

  • Are These Linemen Big Enough???

    Compton Dominguez’s 2010 Linemen

    Dejon Allen
    OL, DL Jr. 6-3 265

    Debrady Hampton
    OL, DL Sr. 6-3 285

    Lacy Westbrook
    OL, DL Jr. 6-4 300

    Demarlow Moses
    OL, DL Jr. 6-2 325

    David Soto
    OL, DL So. 6-2 315

    Malua Seanoa
    OL, DL Jr. 6-1 255

    Derrick White
    OL, DL Jr. 6-0 235

    Adrian Molina
    OL, DL Jr. 6-1 245

    Corey White
    OL, DL Jr. 6-0 245

    The Bishop Amat defense completely shut down Compton Dominguez’s running game along with their big offensive line. On the flipside, BA’s Jalen Moore and Zachary Shay combined for 187 yards on the ground on 40 carries (Avg 4.7 yards/carry). Having a big OL or DL isn’t everything. As a matter of fact, having big lineman is often a burden as big linemen at the high school level are usually very slow. Ask Fred, Aram, or anyone else that know’s BA’s history….They will tell you that BA sprecializes in playing and beating teams that are much larger than they are and they always have!

    The key to great line play is speed, power, aggression, and discipline….not size.

  • take your own advice

    COCF – “don’t believe everything you read ” so when you read SFVsWorst say he’s Mexican – you believe him?

  • Jastrab

    Look at St. Bonnies over the past five years..national ranking and their lineman are not huge. Well coached and probably about the size of SH, CO and Amat. Their team size is also small 50 or less guys and they compete with anyone, including the PAC 5.

    -J

  • NotSince1995

    AVERAGE -
    You say the debate is about the here and now…Right?
    OK…go look this up on maxpreps. These are the facts for the entire SGV to read –

    BishopNation 2010 Season as of today:
    Garfield 1 – 4
    Dominquez 4 – 1
    Muir 1 – 3
    Damien 3 – 1
    Cathedral 3 – 1

    And they’re about to play a 1 – 3 Venice.

    Total opponents record: 13 – 13…! Can you say AVERAGE?

    Really…? I’m not making this up people…! And the Tribune says this is toughest schedule in the SGV? Soundheimer…Is this really worthy of your #10 in the Times? Hello…? Crickets…Crickets…Crickets! C’mon people! Shame on you…These are the facts!

    And, this is what the Keeblers are so proud of…? These are “some of the best football schools in Southern California?” Really…?

    BishopNation, stick to the Fishbowl. This is NOT 1995. Leave the regional powerhouse contests to the actual Big Boys!

    Sincerely,
    Your Conscience

  • kh

    amat 73 respect you.
    but i think you guys are living from the pasted amat monster you guys had,lets just talk after the play-offs,no more excusses
    ,win league and then cif,you guys talk a great game about beating us lower div teams,

  • COChargerfan

    Guys, just because you NEED to believe that the BEST is a skinhead, doesn’t make it so…think about the following. First, he said he’s Mexican so why wouldn’t everyone just take that at face value? Heck, in LA County theres 5 million reasons that he is Hispanic. He knows of the Mexican culture and language. And finally, how many white supremacists are so ashamed of their beliefs that they would lie about their race? NONE. Give it up because it is not racism to make fun of ones own raceits not. One can argue that some of the menudo stuff is in bad tastebut racism, NO WAY. The BEST knew this going in so he just played the game until he needed to use the get out of jail free card. Add it up and youve got a Mexican that was just messing around to get your goatwhen all is said, hes as harmless as la Chupacabra.

  • Lancer4ever

    Pretty fresh for Bonita people to come on hear and say they ca even be in the same game game as us who do they think they are anyhow. you tards must really be the losers of the sgv. We play in the most hardest leage there is
    in the state and you play in what division 10. Lol maybe we should bet you come and play s to se how bad we would beat you like 99 to 0 or worse but that would only prove how bad you are. better stick to playing the other looser teams in your crummy little leage because thats what it is a little leage. we were great back when I played at Bishop Amat and we are getting more better now and still play the best teams in the state so look for us to win another championship before our freshman graduate.

  • NotSince1995

    BishopNation:

    Look at how Far you have Fallen…!

    Look at how Low you will stoop to defend your Arrogance…!

    Arguing with Bonita supporters…? Tisk…tisk…tisk…Keeblers!

    And you thought you were better than that? Better than MD…better than OLu…better than ND! Hah…I don’t see them arguing with Santa Ana HS or JSerra or North Hollywood HS. Why…? Becuase THEY are better than that…!

    Lancer4ever says “We play in the most hardest leage there is in the state” Really…the “most hardest”? Where did you get your education dude…? I can’t stop laughing!

    OK…lets say you do play in the “most hardest”. But BishopNation you LOSE. You LOSE and you have been LOSING for 16 years! That is what you are proud of…?

    And yet another Lancer4ever quote “better stick to playing the other looser teams”…”we were great back when I played at Bishop Amat and we are getting more better now.”

    More Better…? Really? And who said you can’t BUY a private school education! LMAO!

    Not Since 1995!

  • NotSince1995

    BishopNation:

    George Lopez called this morning from his beach house in Pebble Beach…He wanted me to tell you that he loves Menudo and he is not a racist…!

    El vato told me…”sabes que?…tell the Keeblers to chill out homes.” This is not a racist thing…Its about the 16 year old FALLO! You know FALLO…How about FRACASAR…? C’mon you member?

    And he said to tell you that he thanks you for buying his dvds and the tickets to his concerts. He wants you to keep supporting him, his TV show, and keep spending your hard earned money on him! All while you laugh at the culture and the people!

    Now back to our regularly scheduled SGV Football programming…

    Sincerely,
    Your Conscience

  • kh

    sir lance amat
    i like how at the end of your quote,you say we will win a championship before the freshmen clall graduates,
    way to try to buy four more years of losing,thats week,
    have some pride go out on the lim,win this year,we all pull for you guys,your sgv
    go bearcats to roll by 45 tonight over b-bar

  • Basic

    Raider…I mean amat Nation,

    This is why so many people really dislike you, the arrogance of some of your parents and “OMG how dare little ole Bonita come say something about amat.” Look no one on here said we would win and as a matter of fact I said we would probably lose. However, a Fully Healthy Bearcat team would give you a better game than Garfield did and that is all I said. And btw, that only applies to THIS year and a Fully Healthy Bearcat team but OMG you can not fathom that possibility. Well just imagine what Goliath thought about David and being such a “religious” school I am sure you know the answer…

    Again, WE ARE NOT IN amat’s LEVEL, and No One is saying that, all I said was that we would play you tough THIS year IF Fully Healthy. Look KH is pretty out there a lot of times but even he acknowledges that most of the time we as a whole SGV enjoy and cheer for amat to do well and put the SGV on the map but some of you Fans (because there is no way you guys are parents of any kids at amat) so some of you “Fans” really make it tough not to dislike amat…

  • YOU SURE KNOW A LOT

    COChargerfansgvsbest,
    You sure know all the workings of the fool . Come on just admit it is you in disguise. And you really are stupid based on that last post.

  • COChargerfan

    How about East LA’s very own Carlos Mencia…the King of Mexico…is he a racist? Mencia is way funnier than Lopez.

  • SGV For 30 Years

    Some of these people crack me up because they have no idea what the gap is between Amat and the rest of the SGV schools is. The Amat bloggers are kinod of funny to because the are constantly defending Amat. It’s almost like they are insecure about Amat being on top. I have said it before and I’ll say it again. I’m no Amat fan. If I’m an SGV public school why would I ever play Amat. You guys are playing against someone who doesn’t play by the same rules as the rest of us. They can get anyone they want to play there. Public schools are limited by boundaries (for the most part). Now with them doing so well Amat really doesn’t really have to do much recuriting. The program sells itself.

    Amat is hands down the best team in the SGV. Bonita people you are really full of yourself it you think and Amat-Bonita game would even be a contest. I think you would be looking at a 42-7 game at best. Don’t get me wrong, Bonita is having a great season. But they are in no way in the same league as Amat. It will be all Bonita can handle to finish in the top 3 in the Hacienda League. It’s not a knock on anyone it’s just the way it is.

    SGV430 Ouuutt!!!

  • MY MY

    sgvsnotsinceidiot,
    My,my I see you are really taking the therapy to heart this morning. I see you’ve been a good patient and getting plenty of anti Amat fixes this morning. Well like I said if it makes you feel better and then you have my blessing . As long as it helps you face your sick azz life go ahead my son. God bless you and have a great day .

  • FOOD FOR THOUGHT

    COChargerfansgvsbest,
    Hum your alter ego mentions George Lopez and now you mention Carlos Mencia hum. Like minds think alike or are you really him in disguise. You are slowly digging a deep hole for yourself . Keep going this is getting fun . Either way you are him or you two are birds of a feather . Or is it brothers from another Mother .Something has you two on the same wave length. Which is it ?

  • kh

    Amat 73, I respect you.
    But I think you guys are living in the past. Amat Monster teams you guys had, lets just talk after the play-offs, no more excuses.
    Win league and then CIF.
    Sir Lance Amat,
    I like how at the end of your quote, you say we will win a championship before the freshmen class graduates,
    way to try to buy four more years of losing, thats weak!
    Have some pride go out on the limb, win this year; we all pull for you guys, youre SGV.
    Go Bearcats, we roll by 45 tonight over Diamond Bar.

  • Don

    Memo

    To: Joe, 73, and my other Fairgrove friends
    Re: Blog spokespersons

    Just a suggestion, but you guys may want to try and round these characters up tonight and pull their plugs.

    (Probably just too much broadband among the Freshman parents, but I’m sure you know what I mean).

    The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

  • AMAT 73

    kh,
    Not one to live in the past, but yes some of the faithful do a little too much of that.I was speaking of AMAT football in todays world on the fact of the size of our team in general . We have never really fielded huge teams . In high school size is great but the really bigs usually do hit empty around the mid third quarter and escpecially if they go both ways. A lot to ask of a big boy who only conditions when the season come around . Not like a pro or a college player where it’s a full time job. We did win league last year be it co champs but we did beat the co in ND . So one down CIF to go .I have never made nor never will make an excuse for losing be it by injury or winning stat wise but losing scoreboard wise. Hey if we lose the better team won that day end of story.
    Don,
    What can you say . It’s like a kid in a candy store with some of the new ones. They have not been around when the times were bad so they know nothing of the pain and suffering of losing . It’s like I told my grandson , when I started at AMAT we went to the championship game 3 years in a row . Hell I thought it was a yearly thing for us until my senior year when reality hit . Well like I said if we were to play Bonita it would be a hell of a game and I know you guys would give us all we want. Good luck to the Bearcats tonight because I am sure DB is looking for blood after the loss to DR .

  • kh = krazy hick

    Hahahaha, I think kh just hired an English translator. Now I can understand everything he is actually trying to say or write. I think kh graduated High School when Lincoln was assassinated.

  • Lance R

    Basic Moronic,

    Play a better game then Garfield did with Amat? Play Garfield first then talk. Also, that was week one and sure Maybe in week one Bonita possibly plays a decent game with Amat as Garfield did. Play Amat now in week 6 and you get whole different team then you had in week one. Bonitas team is also different in week 6 as well but the level of play changes from week to week. With that you get smashed in week 6 playing Amat. Big differance from week one to week 6. Amat 49 Bonita 6

  • Amat Honk

    SGV for 30 years – It really is a damn shame! I have to shake my head everytime a Family member comes on here and posts an acid laced tirade defending Bishop Amat to the likes of Nonsense1995 or some other Amat Hater “plant”. Be confident in what you know to be true and above all “RESPECT ALL OPPONENTS!” Past and present! Sure I enjoy a little smack talk now and again, but I know where my team stands in the record books of time and I’m good with it. ALL the Family should do the same, remember, Sticks and stones….WE ARE AMAT!!!!

  • Biggums

    That Compton Dominguez line is bigger than Charter Oaks and Glendoras and Bishop Amats. It’s heavier though not as tall as Chino Hills. Does anyone know how big South Hills is?

  • kh

    had to leave at half waited two week to see b-bar play there second string ,come on guys give the bonita some respest?

  • COChargerfan

    FOODit only seems to YOU that the BEST and I are the same person solely because YOURE too stupid to see the obvious differences… just like youre too stupid to admit that the BEST is a fellow Mexican. Your asinine comments are living proof that stupid has no boundaries. There, I said it so I dare you to at least attempt to say something intelligent that would prove me otherwise.

  • kh revised

    I had to wait two weeks to watch Diamond Bar play our second string, come on guys give Bonita some respect?

  • A BIT RILED

    COChargerfansgvsriledone,
    Calm down there man. Just because I don’t believe a flakey azz blogger as you do on his word of being a Mexican I am stupid, I believe that proves you are the stupid one. You believe it so heartfelt because it backs your side of the story on the issue.You speak of boundries , just look at yours on the fact you are defending what sgvsbiggestidiot posts and might that be because it is you in your alter ego form. Why defend what a fool says because the fool says he is a Mexican .Isn’t it wrong to bring that angle into the hate of a school and it’s followers . He just jumps on the Mexican American followers of Amat and not the Anglo or African American , Filipino American , Asian American communties at all . He does and not only targets the Mexicans but the Mexicans of the community of La Puente where the school is. He could be or he couldn’t be Mexican and to me and that is not the issue ,the issue is what he is saying and that it has no place here, but to you he is Mexican to defend what he writes about the Mexican race as something that you find humorous other than the menudo stuff which you find in bad taste.The menudo stuff is not the issue . The issue is the put downs of Mexicans such as the gardener reference and others, stupid. You see you really are stupid to the faces of racist people because you wouldn’t see one if he was looking at you in a mirror. To you it’s ok to bad mouth a race and community when it comes from ones own race on a sport blog because you find it humorous . Now who really is the stupid one . Was that intelligent enough for your dumb azz to comprehend.

  • Basic

    Lance Ret…

    You said it yourself “Also, that was week one and sure Maybe in week one Bonita possibly plays a decent game with Amat as Garfield did.” That is all I have been saying dude, thanks for proving my point. Bonita Fully Healthy (week 1) gives you a better game than Garfield. Why is that so difficult to understand??? NO Bonita is not in the same level as amat, never said that, I never even said Bonita would win, I just said it would have been a better game that is all, and even that only applies to THIS year and a Fully Healthy Bonita team….Yeah not so moronic…

  • Chino Hills Husky Fan

    Ok so I was bored out of my mind in the office this morning and was checking out max preps. I decided to compare the schedules of Chino Hills (my son’s team) and Bishop Amat since there has been so much talk about them both. Here is what I came up with…this is from max preps take it for what it’s worth.
    Chino Hills
    Opponents/ records/ state ranking
    1. Mayfair 3-3 148
    2. Santiago 2-3 95
    3. Tesoro 4-1 37
    4. Pomona 3-3 600 (ouch…..lol)
    5. REV 3-2 57
    Totals 16 – 12 ave rank 187 (pomona really skewed that)

    Bishop Amat
    Opponents / records / state rankings
    1. Garfield 2-4 319
    2. Dominguez 4-1 42
    3. Muir 1-4 380
    * 4. Damien 3-2 194
    5. Cathedral 4-1 253
    6. Venice 1-4 178
    Totals 15-16 ave rank 227

    * = Max preps had Damien as 4-1 and beating J Serra….they lost 42-7 and their ranking would be much lower if correct

    If you were to take out Pomona from Chino Hills schedule their opponents ave rank is 84.
    If you were to take out Amat’s lowest 2 ranked opponents, their average rank is 222.
    I think our tough schedule will help us in league since 4 out of our 5 games so far have had a playoff type feel to them….especially Tesoro, REV & Santiago.

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  • penn state recruiter

    Compton, dominguez lineman

    Could be the top recruit Dejon Allen #50. when i got the tape trust me he good one the best pullers him and johmel charles #55. They both are juniors

    Check them out on maxprep they are ready for the next level/divion 1

    chino hills
    serra
    Dominguez
    arroyo grande
    crenshaw
    Corona
    alemany
    dorsey

  • penn state recruiter

    Good game would be dominguez vs serra

  • penn state recruiter

    Good game would be dominguez vs serra

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