Did Serra goof in win over Diamond Ranch? *Update: Reaction from coach Mike James

Scorebook error?: In Diamond Ranch’s 82-70 overtime loss to Gardena Serra in Saturday’s Division 3AA girls semifinal at North Torrance HS, there were controversial scorebook issues that may have had a direct outcome in the game. In fact, in a letter addressed to Serra principal Mike Wagner on behalf of several Diamond Ranch parents (which I obtained), they want an apology, even suggesting that Serra should forfeit over what they feel was a huge injustice. Diamond Ranch coach Mike James explained what happened to me on Monday, but said the school is not protesting, though he is upset at how the events unfolded.

Clarification: coach Mike James filed a protest after the game, which was immediately turned down, he said. When I called CIF on Monday to ask if anything had been filed in regards to the game, they said no. What I gather from this is there was obviously a decision made after the game, and it ended there.

What happened: James said that Serra’s leading scorer Sierra Thompson (28 points) fouled out with just under a minute to play in Saturday’s game. James said Thompson left the game, sat on the bench, and put a jacket on looking distraught. At that time Serra’s scorekeeper alerted the Serra bench, saying it only had Thompson for three fouls. James immediately challenged, noting his scorekeeper and bench scorekeeper had Thompson for five fouls. James said while looking at Serra’s book, he also noted Serra had Diamond Ranch players marked with fouls who never played in the game. The officials gathered and determined the “home” book was the book of record, allowing Thompson back into the game with only three fouls. Thompson then hit a 3-pointer with 13 seconds left to give Serra a two-point lead. Chelsea Barnes scored in the closing seconds to send the game into overtime. Thompson then scored 10 points in overtime to seal the victory. James knows there is nothing he can do now, but he said his athletic director watched the game on video and sure enough, he claims Thompson had five fouls.

Coach Mike James responds: Just to make sure that everyone is clear on this situation. There was a protest filed by Diamond Ranch. It was turned down. The ruling was that it was an officials judgment to allow this player to re-enter the game. The Diamond Ranch scorekeeper was checking with the official book to make sure that they matched up. All of a sudden they didn’t match up in the 4th quarter with 32 seconds left in the game. There were players from Diamond Ranch who had fouls and didn’t even play in the game. There were also players that fouled out who only had 3 fouls. This was a great game between 2 great teams. Someone has to win and someone has to lose. The bigger question is are we really to the point where winning at all cost is more important than sportsmanship and integrity. For these kids to have to lose in this manner just makes for a hard pill to swallow. Especially when the video clearly shows this player had fouled out.
CIF can’t just turn a blind eye to situations like this. Once you get to this level of the playoffs we have 3 man officiating crews and neutral sites. They need to take the next step and have a neutral party as the official scorer. This will of course will not help us this season since what is done is done. I just want people reading this to know that Diamond Ranch did talk to CIF officials about this situation. With all the evidence that was presented to them they have to think that at the very least there is SOMETHING there, and they need to make some changes in the near future.

Sincerely,

Michael James
Diamond Ranch Girls Basketball

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  • reality

    Question. How is it that there is not a neutral official scorekeeper assigned to a semi-final championship game? If the scorekeeper had given fouls to players that had not played, as alleged in the OFFICIAL SCOREBOOK, then that should be proof enough of suspect scorekeeping and the game forfeited.CIF must act and quit sticking their heads in the sand when it comes to issues like this or quit keeping score at all. This at the very least deserves a statement from CIF and NOW!!!!

  • Joe Amat

    Welcome to Serra High School. We’ve seen and heard stories of our wonderful league members like this for 20 years. This has bit the Lancers in the butt more than a few times.

    However, the CIF specifically suggests that the visiting team take steps top protect against this and I’ll betcha a dollar Diamond Ranch did not. The Playoff Handbook says this:

    OFFICIAL SCORER AND CLOCK OPERATOR
    The official scorer and clock operators are recognized as game officials and it is required that a faculty member or other qualified responsible ADULT staff these important positions.

    CHECK TIMER
    The check timer for playoff games shall be a faculty member or responsible adult. If the visiting team does not supply a check timer, the host team facility timer alone is responsible.

    Now I’ve seen times during the regular season Amat makes sure an adult is at the scorers table as a “Check Timer” to keep an eye on the book and clock. It certainly needs to be done in the playoffs.

  • shameless

    Shame on you Serra High School. Is this the example of sportsmanship you are teaching your students?

  • jcaz

    You know, here we go again, blaming the officials for a loss.

    Sure there may have very well been some irregularities that night, but the fact is that you win or lose a game on the field of play.

    Not on a blog

    If another team beats you, it’s because because they performed better than you did that night, so, no matter what you say or how you feel about what happened, it’s all a moot point at this juncture.

    They won because they played a better game than you team did.

    Time to move on…..

  • JD

    This is not about the officials at all. How could any adult with a moral compass condone a Christian school or any school changing the official score book to put a child back in a game who fouled out. Any way you look at this its wrong!! Each team should be given the FAIR opportunity to win or lose the game on the court. The game should NEVER be decided by an adult or organization who is purposely being dishonest.

  • No Rules = Anarchy

    jcaz

    In this case, you’re an idiot.

  • What goes around comes around

    JD – this may be karma at work, Who remembers when Bishop Amat got screwed because of a clock screwup in a big game at Diamond Ranch several years ago?

  • Bob

    jcaz If you had a bigger head you would be a bigger FOOL. This is something the CIF HAS to look into. The proof is there -players who have fouls who didn’t even play? Wasn’t it around 2 years ago when Northview HS Wrestling won CIF when their scorekeeper pencil whip them to a CIF Title?? Their title was taken away a few days later.As for the head coach of Diamond Ranch?? YOU HAVE A LOT OF CLASS! Serra was it worth it???

  • jcaz

    No rules, you must be a total azz hole,

    The fact is that I highly doubt that these people intentionally cheated in this game.

    Mistakes happen all the time and realy, the only thing you can do is to try and have some sort of a back up sysytem in place to catch errors such as these when they happen.

    Case in point, just look at what Joe put up here earlier.

    To sit here and call me an idiot over what happened only reflects the “win at all costs” attitude that so many parents have when it comes to their kids.

    So I say again, if your school had the better team out on the court that night, you would have won hands down, but you didn’t so deal with it.

  • Why did Diamond Ranch coach give up on players?

    Why didn’t the Diamond Ranch coach file a protest? Is he worried about how he is perceived or about what he should be that is teaching integrity, good character and sportsmanship?
    If someone cheats, win or lose, I’m protesting. It may not do any good, but at least our players know I support integrity, good character and sportsmanship.

  • pomona insider

    Okay kids here is the scoop. Diamond ranch did file a protest and the CIF denied it because the official scorer is an official and their decision is final. Oh and the CIF is terrified of the archdiocese adding to their lawsuits (see mater dei) . Diamond ranch did have an adult watching and keeping a scorebook at the game. The girl number 32 fouled out with 32 seconds left in the game. She was crying when she left, not in protest, but because she knew she fouled out. Girls family came down from the stands yelled at serras scorer and all of a sudden 32 had not 5 but 3 fouls. When diamond ranch protested the game officials said the home book is official. When 32 fouled out there was no protest by the Serra coaches because they also knew she fouled out. The Serra scorer cheated plain and simple. The game officials did not have the back bone to stick to the original decision and CIF protected their incompetence. Jcaz I was there. Serra cheated both teams. Their own because they did not get a chance to win with integrity, and the diamond ranch kids who have now learned that winning isn’t everything it’s the only thing.

  • AMAT 73

    Jcaz,
    I think people are taking issue with you because due to the error whether by accident or by choice Serra did not win by playing better , they won by using an ineligible player . In this day and age of win at all costs as you put it , can you really say this oversite was an accident ? Joe kind of hinted this they way they conduct themselves at Serra. If it would have been an issue of a bad call that accounted for the winning points your right it’s the way the ball bounces.In this case it is some questionable book keeping by the home team which helped in the victory since the fouled out player came back in to give them a lead with seconds left and then went on to score 10 points in overtime. Tough loss to deal with when it was done with an ineligible player on the floor don’t you think.

  • Sleepless in Gardena
  • Karma

    Now that baseball is beginning this week this incident reminds me of when Diamond Ranch stole a victory away from Bishop Amat in the Glendora Tourney a couple years ago. Amat player clearly hit a walk off homer to win the game but somehow the umps missed it and DR walked the batter to eventually get the next guy out to win the game.

  • JFR

    I guess that commercial where the BB player tells his coach than the ref that the ball went out on him towards the end of a big game isn’t taking hold with our kids of today. I laugh every time I see that stupid thing. How does the saying go, ” if you ain’t cheatin you ain’t trying.”

  • MJ

    Just to make sure that everyone is clear on this situation. There was a protest filed by Diamond Ranch. It was turned down. The ruling was that it was an officials judgement to allow this player to re-enter the game. The Diamond Ranch score keeper was checking with the official book to make sure that they matched up. All of a sudden they didn’t match up in the 4th quarter with 32 seconds left in the game. There were players from Diamond Ranch who had fouls and didn’t even play in the game. There were also players that fouled out who only had 3 fouls. This was a great game between 2 great teams. Someone has to win and someone has to lose. The bigger question is are we really to the point where winning at all cost is more important than sportsmanship and integrity. For these kids to have to lose in this manner just makes for a hard pill to swallow. Especially when the video clearly shows this player had fouled out.
    CIF can’t just turn a blind eye to situations like this. Once you get to this level of the play-offs we have 3 man officiating crews and netural sites. They need to take the next step and have a neutral party as the official scorer. This will of course will not help us this season since what is done is done. I just want people reading this to know that Diamond Ranch did talk to CIF officials about this situation. With all the evidence that was presented to them they have to think that at the very least there is SOMETHING there, and they need to make some changes in the near future.

    Sincerely,

    Michael James
    Diamond Ranch Girls Basketball

  • reality

    CIF. Perhaps you should take a page from MLB. When the umpire was confronted with proof that he missed a call that cost a pitcher a perfect game he sought out the player and sincerly apologized. While not changing the outcome it clearly defused the situation. If you guys cannot get involved in situations like this when presented with facts’ exactly what good are you except to take money from children??? Maybe we need to look at reforming this governing body system if they find themselves unable to act, and give at least a public opinion on this case.

  • Joe Amat

    reality,

    In your MLB example, it was not MLB that apologized and addressed the issue – it was the umpire himself. It is not CIF’s responsibility to comment… but something from Serra and/or the scorekeeper would be great.

    Again, CIF addresses this issue in the Playoff Handbook that says about protests:
    (keep in mind *CIF-SS Council* is made up of HS Principals)

    “PROTESTS
    By action of the CIF-SS Council, protests of playoff contests involving National Federation rules will no longer be entertained following the conclusion of the contest. Coaches may direct questions to the game officials as they pertain to a possible misapplication of the rules in accordance with the National Federation rules governing that sport. No protest may be carried
    forth once the contest is complete. Coaches are encouraged to carry National Federation rule books with them for all playoff contests. Schools will still have the opportunity to protest a contest in accordance with Southern Section rules, Rule 1111, as it pertains to use of ineligible player or violations of any CIF-SS rule in accordance with the contest.”

    Unfortunately the only “fact” from a CIF rule perspective is that the official book is the official book. It is recommended that the “Check Timer” from the visiting team sit at the table next to the scorekeeper and check after Every.Single.Foul. If this is done it is nearly impossible for there to be a discrepancy… or at least one that can’t be found & tracked by going backwards and looking at team fouls that half.

  • 12th man

    CIF Sucks!!~ If this had been the Pros there would have been fines and suspensions..If it had been College there would have been ineligibility’s & perhaps a protest..If it had been travel ball there would have been a disqulification & forfeit..Rules are Rules!!~..If CIF cant take the time to revue the case & judge accordingly there shouldnt be a board of members!!…They should replay the final overtime period without Thompson in the game “at best!”
    ~ Just to make both sides feel like they got a fair shake on the game..

  • bystander

    Okay parents, players and readers, let’s stick to the point and facts and not delve in name calling or lesser degredation. Ignorance is always readily apparent without it having to be pointed out. It just breeds more ignorance (as you could see from more posts).

    Let’s make it clear. I was at the game and watched as all this unfolded.

    The facts are:

    It was extremely bad officiating. One of the worst I have ever witnessed (that alone says a lot).

    There was a discrepancy with the main scorebook and the Diamond Ranch scorebook.

    This game was NOT decided by which team played better. Both teams played their best, even above themselves no matter what outcome. The game could have gone either way regardless.

    Lets take the first fact. The officials DID make bad calls. A few of those calls DID decide on the outcome of this game. But as competitors in a sport that is officiated by others, human error will ALWAYS play a factor. One of the main things coaches teach their kids is not to let the score or referees dictate their play. PLAY THROUGH IT.

    What puzzles me is why the Diamond Ranch coach allowed this to happen? Why didn’t he protect his players and their interests by taking them off the court until this issue was resolved? There are 3 coaches on that team. One of them is responsible for checking the scores both at half time and after the 4th period. Once there was a discrepancy, the game should have been stopped until it was resolved. The parents knew this discrepancy to be true and if it is that apparent, something is amiss. As with history for Diamond Ranch, complaints do nothing. Everything must be resolved prior to that buzzer sounding.

    As with the referees, their officiating was horrendous. CIF SHOULD be ashamed that these are the type of people that represent them and the symbol of fairness. In no way shape or form should these 3 be officiating at this level.I wish there was a penalty for referees that if they have issues raised, their penalty should be to be bumped down to officiating at a lower level. Another complaint and fofeiture of referee card.

    For the second issue, a third party should have been scoring the game. Someone from the neutral site. It really is strange that the main scorebook keeper is from Serra and the only person representing CIF is also from Serra. HMMM??

    What point is it to have 2 scorebooks at the table but if there is an issue go the Main scorebook being manned by an opposing team. Please explain the fairness in that?

    CIF is not perfect. It’s how they move from this and address this issue that will show what kind of principles they want to instill. From their website, CIF tries to instill in every girl their From their website:

    THE ROLE OF HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS
    ACADEMICS – INTEGRITY – ATHLETICS
    C I F S O U T H E R N S E C T I O N
    A message to our Parents on our Goals and Beliefs

    CIF Bylaws governing student eligibility are a necessary prerequisite to participation in
    interscholastic athletics because they:

    1. Keep the focus on athletic participation as a privilege, not a right

    2. Reinforce the principles that students attend school to receive an education first; athletic
    participation is second

    3. Serve as a deterrent to students who transfer for athletic reasons and to individuals who
    recruit student-athletes

    4. Maintain an ethical relationship between high school athletic programs and others who
    demonstrate an interest in high school athletes

    5. Pursue the Principles of Pursuing Victory with Honor.

    The bylaws on student eligibility follow this philosophical statement.

    Didn’t Serra disobey the last 2 points? This game was decided because lack of ethics and morals and it will take principle to rectify the situation.

    I feel it’s pretty sad that the people who the Girls (players) look up to for guidance both morally, ethically and professionally are the ones who let them down. For Serra, by doing the underhanded tactics and Diamond Bar, for also allowing the underhanded tactics. I hope Diamond Ranch Parents hold strong in their principles and follow this through. Good luck.

  • jcaz

    73, look there are two issues here. number one, was there an error in the game in which a player was ineligible to continue playing in that game, and number two, which starting five played a better game that night (and ended up with the most points) when the final buzzer went off ?

    As for number one, true, I wasn’t there. I didn’t see the video, all I know is that a player was able to play and finish a game when “maybe” she shouldn’t have. It could very well be true that there was something nefarious going on in that scorer’s table, but the facts are that maybe in the heat of battle someone just simply blew it.

    I mean, it happens, people are human, they make mistakes, but really, what can you do at this point anyway ?

    As for my second point…..someone on this blog put it right out there when he said, “someone has to win and someone has to lose.” The fact is that the better team THAT NIGHT” played a better game and won it, plane and simple.

    The other team scored the most points and they won by “performing better” then the other team did when it mattered.

    You can’t ignore that simple fact kiddo.

    To say that they won only because a player was ineligible completely takes dismisses the obvious fact that the the other team simply out played DR in that final over time period.

    Look, if that player had never been in that situation, then what would be the excuse ?

    You win the game by laying your heart out on that field of play, or in this case that court, not on a blog after the fact.

    And if you should lose, you do just as the Amat pre-game prayer says you do, you “Cheer as the winner go by….”

    Remember that prayer ? It has real meaning you know…

  • Steve Ramirez

    First of, just let me say that I usually don’t get into this back-and-forth arguments, because I try to stay neutral. But JCaz, you are missing the point.
    Serra outperformed Diamond Ranch in the overtime because they possibly had an illegal player. Let me put in simple terms, using a sport I used to cover, NHRA drag racing. Let’s say Joe Schmo is racing Tom Slick. Schmo knows he will need a perfect tuneup to beat Slick, so he bypasses the rule that limits cars to a fuel mixture of 90-percent nitromethane, and uses fuel with a 100 percent. He then goes out and beats Slick by 25 feet. He clearly won the race, but by using more nitro than the rules allow, he, as he should, is disqualified. We will never know if he would have won had he been within the rules.
    The same can be said of Serra, which outperformed Diamond Ranch in overtime, but possibly did so by dirtying the competitive water with use of a player who, by rule, possibly shouldn’t have been in game. We will never know the real outcome. Now, as far as CIF-SS is concerned, there’s really no way to prove that the mistake – if there was one – was on purpose or accident. Now showing a book that indicates some players who didn’t play being charged with fouls, in my opinion, is not enough to prove that a mistake was made with this one players foul totals. It just proves a mistake was made with the charging of the other said players. I think Mike James is right, it’s time for CIF-SS to raise the level of governing playoff games to the next level, perhaps provide a neutral official scorekeeper for playoff games for future years, maybe instead of a third official on the court, have that position go to a neutral scorekeeper. I know the NCAA did the same after the clock operator fiasco at a UCLA-Alabama women’s basketball tournament game a few years ago. It didn’t help UCLA, but it prevented a gross mistake from possibly happening again.

  • Karma is a bi***

    I wasn’t there and can’t defend or justify and possible mistakes, but I can say that for those of us who have seen Diamond Ranch play, it’s karma for the way they act. I can still remember this thug dad from D Ranch talking trash about and to the Bonita girls and their parents in the game at Bonita when our girls beat them the first of two times. He kept saying our girls didn’t have heart, how our girls weren’t tough enough or athletic enough and kept yelling, “balling.” Guess what holmes? Who’s still balling? We are.

  • Fed up,

    Fed up:

    If anyone has been seeing what happens at the Ranch, and across the High School scene in Socal is we have Admins that are part of the CIF bureaucracy. First our principal, who now is working a cake job at the District offices, and now an AD that is very involved with the CIF offices. They can not and will not fight for our school because they then would jeopardize future cake jobs with the CIF. They get chosen to represent the CIF at plum conventions or committees and who suffers, our kids. They clearly have a conflict of interest now, but thats the way CIF wants it, do not make waves. What has happened to our girls basketball team is a travesty. There is no integrity or honor here. So much for the CIF motto. Our Admins should have marched down to the CIF offices and demanded justice or at least raised some heck. But no they did not, why, hmmm maybe they have an all expenses trip planned to Vegas in the summer or something.

    We are soooooo tired of this politically correct crap that, well, it just makes you want to play club ball and not invest in the old school high school thing anymore. What a shame.
    Nice to see a coach with some guts and class. He is sticking his neck out by writing that letter, and will probably get reprimanded by his boss.

    To me the honorable thing to do and our American right to do is protest with signs in front of the CIF offices and at the CIF championshp game IMPOSTERS. Tell me when and where and I am there holding a sign and walking the beat. Oh and lets invite our Admins/AD there and see if they march with us.

    The reality is Dranch should have had, as all coaches in the playoffs should, a spotter that immediately reports fouls, time outs, and score issues. Furthermore, they need to ask the refs before the game how they want issues to be handled during the game.

    Amat faithful, I love your insights, and opinions, and let me remind those of an apology that Dranch received from a CIF official over our football game a few years ago at Amat. We had an interception overturned and the ball given back to Amat which went on to win the game. They clearly blew it and wrote an apology letter to Dranch. We still lost, but it was a great game.

    Karma, Are you kidding me? Going back to a baseball game that no scorekeeper had anything to do with, but a paid CIF umpire did. No comparison. Go have some more kool aid at the Amat 5th quarters.

  • CDawg

    Pvt school cheating again. Duh!

  • just sayin’

    Fed Up – the “apology letter” was a myth. never existed. urban legend.

  • DR daddy

    I was at the game and watched as all this unfolded.

    It was extremely bad officiating. One of the worst I have ever witnessed in my 30 years for any sport (that alone says a lot). The officials DID make bad calls. A few of those calls DID decide the outcome of this game. But as competitors in a sport that is officiated by others, human error will ALWAYS play a factor.
    As for intentional or accident? When a player has commited 4 fouls, the table (scorekeeper) signals to the main referee. So the main referee knew exactly how many fouls #32 had. So how is it that at the end of the game #32 went from 5 fouls to 3 fouls and the main referee excepting that count?

    The officiating was horrendous. CIF SHOULD be ashamed that these are the type of people that represent them as the symbol of fairness. In no way shape or form should these 3 be officiating at this level. I wish there was a penalty for referees that if they have issues raised, their penalty should be to be bumped down to officiating at a lower level. Another complaint and forfeiture of referee card. I’m tired of seeing too many games decided by bad officiating.

    This game was NOT decided by which team played better. Both teams played their best, even above themselves no matter the outcome. The game could have gone either way regardless.

    A third party should have been scoring the game. Someone from the neutral site. It really is strange that the main scorebook keeper is from Serra and the only person representing CIF is also from Serra. HMMM??

    What point is it to have 2 scorebooks at the table but when there is an issue go the Main scorebook being manned by an opposing team. Please explain the fairness in that?

    What puzzles me is why the Diamond Ranch coach allowed this to happen? Why didn’t he protect his players and their interests by taking them off the court until this issue was resolved? Once there was a discrepancy, the game should have been stopped until it was resolved. As with history for Diamond Ranch, complaints do nothing. Everything must be resolved prior to that buzzer sounding. This is not the first or second time something like this has happened.

    CIF is not perfect. It’s how they move from this and address this issue that will show what kind of principles they want to instill. From their website, CIF tries to instill in every girl their From their website:

    THE ROLE OF HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS
    ACADEMICS – INTEGRITY – ATHLETICS
    C I F S O U T H E R N S E C T I O N
    A message to our Parents on our Goals and Beliefs

    CIF Bylaws governing student eligibility are a necessary prerequisite to participation in
    interscholastic athletics because they:

    1. Keep the focus on athletic participation as a privilege, not a right

    2. Reinforce the principles that students attend school to receive an education first; athletic
    participation is second

    3. Serve as a deterrent to students who transfer for athletic reasons and to individuals who
    recruit student-athletes

    4. Maintain an ethical relationship between high school athletic programs and others who
    demonstrate an interest in high school athletes

    5. Pursue the Principles of Pursuing Victory with Honor.

    The bylaws on student eligibility follow this philosophical statement.

    Didn’t Serra disobey the last 2 points? This game was decided because lack of ethics and morals and it will take Principle to rectify the situation.

    I feel it’s pretty sad that the people who the Girls (players) look up to for guidance both morally, ethically and professionally are the ones who let them down. For Serra, by doing the underhanded tactics and Diamond Bar, for also allowing the underhanded tactics. I hope Diamond Ranch Parents hold strong in their principles and follow this through.

  • pomona insider

    Fed up- The reason the admin didn’t go to the CIF offices with pitchforks as you suggest is because the CIF has a looooong memory and DR may have won this battle but lost the war (state playoff brackets come out Monday). The CIF rule that you can cheat without consequence is the issue- you cannot protest an officials decision, scorer was an official, case closed.
    By the way anyone who doesn’t believe that Serra’s #32 had 5 fouls the video was on the Channel 4 news last night and will be on channel 7 tonight.
    The only question is will Serra do the right thing and forfeit their spot for intentionally using an illegal player? I doubt it, but we can all hope.

  • Time to Refocus

    You can’t pin this one on the Diamond Ranch coach. He put up a fight and the officials made the team come back out on the floor. The people who deserve blame here are the Serra score keeper and coaching staff. At the end of the third quarter the books were square any discrepancies would have been dealt with at that time as officials check the books at the end of each quarter. All of the “MISTAKES” were made in the fourth quarter.

    Blame can also be pointed in the direction of the Serra coach who knew his player was in foul trouble, watch his reaction as his leading scorer picks up her third foul in the FIRST HALF! He knew what was going on, that is why he let 32 go to the bench and sit down long enough to put her warm up back on after picking up her 5th.

    http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/sports/Foul_Controversy__Mistake_or_Cheating__Los_Angeles-117222333.html

    You can say what you want about the coach at diamond ranch but one thing is for sure he would not have knowing continued a semifinal game with a disqualified player. He has way too much class for that and cares about his players too much to set such a poor example. he has a legitimate concern for their wellbeing and what type people they become long after high school basketball. That is why I am glad my daughter is part of the program. Don’t be one of those people that blames the victim. The bottom line is life isn’t fair and it is never going to be as long as we have to share the world with people who have no ethics, do not fear consequences and do as they please because the burden of prof is always on the victim and not the violator.

    We should be focusing our energy on making sure that the people that are truly at fault suffer some kind of consequence to their actions other than earning a trip to the CIF finals.

  • AMAT 73

    Jcaz,
    As you write you were not there and neither was I . But when the head coach says that it clearly shows the player in question fouled out by viewing video of the game I tend to believe him . Now stating that do you agree the Serra won the game with an ineligible player on the court. Maybe Serra would have won by out performing DR with another player on floor or maybe not , we will never know . But in this case you cannot say the better team won period because it was done with the ineligible player according to DR and many who were there . I think that is one issue , but the main issue is CIF’s complete disregard of the problem that they have with hometown scoring. I bet from now on DR and many other schools have a rep sitting right next to the hometown official scorer.

  • DR Daddy

    Time to Refocus,

    I agree, 100% that Serra should be penalized and found at fault for intentionally cheating. Coaches DO know how many fouls each player has on his team at ALL times. That is what he has assistant coaches for. For Serra, they had 3 assistant coaches on site that night. If none of them knew, then they should all be fired.

    As for James, please reread my blog again. I am not blaming James. My comment was on inquires as to why this transpired the way it did. It points out an issue that has occured a number of times not just for James but for a number of coaches. When the buzzer sounds, that is the end of the game. You can petition all you want after the game but the odds are still going to be against you. You are petitioning to officials who were not in the venue and relying on their own personnel for the information (in this case their own refs, scorebook keeper AND CIF rep (from Serra at the time). As a parent or player, I could respect a loss by not continuing to play until the issue was resolved. At least this was on my own terms and I wasn’t taken advantage of. That “pill” (to borrow from James’ comment) would have been easier to swallow.

    At the start of OT, one of his assistant coaches went to the DR parents to try and console them and to let them know that they knew there is a discrepancy. So at game time, before the game ended, everyone was aware of the ineligibilty of one of the players (on the opposing team). Yet the game proceeded.

    Also for DR, we’ll see how they respond to how CIF is NOT handling this. As of right now, it seems that DR is accepting the CIF ruling. That alone would be a travesty and a failure on DR’s part to the girls. And if that would be the case, I would have to agree with Fed-Up”s comment regarding such.

    Lastly, I hate it when I hear those comments “Life isn’t fair”. It’s forcing an inadequate reason to someone and expecting for them to accept it without validation. Like the excerpt on Channel 4 at 11pm last night, he based the facts that Serra cheated, then went ahead and ended the commentary with “Well Diamond Ranch, life isn’t fair”. To me that equates to “Well Diamond Ranch, so what?”. Life not being fair is not a reason for anyone to minimize the situation nor should if be a reason for us to stop fighting for what we believe to be true. I agree that something must be done so that those in error are accountable of their actions. This is not because Diamond Ranch wants to be in the Finals nor is it about winning the game. It’s about showing our kids the principle of the issue, consequences of actions and that life could be fair, because, let’s face it, they are the REAL victims.