The summer of Aram continues … Charter Oak new number one in the SGVN? Really?

I’ve never seen anyone so fired up for summer passing league tournaments, but the big guy is all over the place, knows his football and has a new All-Encompassing SGVN Top 25, with Charter Oak taking over the number one spot ahead of Bishop Amat, to which I say, I don’t care how good Charter Oak is over the summer, they still don’t compare to Bishop Amat’s total offense, which was one of the best offense’s statistically in Amat history last year, with virtually all the important pieces returning, and with a healthy Zach Shay. Now that was a long run-on sentence, but it had to be said. Even though Aram’s watched more summer football, I’d bet the big fella in a minute that by the end of the year Amat has a better overall record than Charter Oak, and will have played a much tougher schedule. Who agree’s? What I do agree with Aram on is Charter Oak, not Chino Hills, should be favored to win the Sierra. I also don’t like Monrovia ranked ahead of West Covina, but again, what do I know, haven’t seen the ‘Cats this summer. What I do know is West Covina is returning the area player of the year and is probably bigger, stronger and faster. West Covina is also the defending champ of the Southeast, a big step-up over the champ from the Mid-Valley. For the record, my top four would be Amat, West Covina, Charter Oak, Monrovia. In other Aram football reports, Bonita lost to Glendale in the championship of the Ayala Tournament and Charter Oak fell to Villa Park in the Claremont Tournament semifinals. West Covina won the Arroyo Linemen Competition

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  • Observantcat

    Well Fred, maybe you should take a tip from Aram & and stop putting all of your eggs in one basket. Solomon may be your areas pick for East San Gabriel Valley Player of the year, but remember, Monrovia has a player that could end up national defensive player of the year. I won’t knock BA but if I were you I wouldn’t make that bet. Besides every te could make the argument to be the areas prize. What you should do is maybe compare personal before making such blanket statements about who”s who. Take a real good look at each teams rosters and then look at the team as a whole them maybe you will stop going color blind in your old age. You always seem to forget that West Covina lost to Covina in a game where both teams had 11 guys on offense and 11 on Defense. Call it what you want but facts are facts. Monrovia faced a similar defeat from SD, did we like it? NO, but we got past it and demolished them in the semi”s. Point being, never underestimate your opponent until you read the scoreboard.

  • FredJ

    Observant, I believe West Covina handled Glendora and Monrovia lost to Glendora. I also know that West Covina handled South Hills better than Monrovia. Look, I know you know your stuff, but I would still take West Covina. Monrovia has a few hot shots, but West Covina probably has a lot more depth. Why West Covina and Monrovia haven’t scheduled each other is the big surprise. With Maddox and Maggiore good friends and Maddox a former West Covina assistant, it would seem like a natural non league game of East and West SGV powers. It’s a shame the two champs can’t get together.

  • Observantcat

    Well Fred, the point I’m trying to make is that in the past season Of all the teams that made progress mainly at the end of the season who would you say stood out to you the most?… forget about league and early round playoff games look at the Semi’s and the Finals and see the separation that took place in those game and tell me who you think made the most impact. Nick ran for fewer than 100 yards per game and threw for way more yardage especially in the finals. I try and give credit where credit is due but when you isolate progress it comes across very naive to say the least. It reminds me of the Eisenhower teams of the 90′s against the Mater Dei’s and it had to be televised before millions of viewers before someone caught wind that great athletes can overtake great hype when the whistle is blown. You can look at games of similar opponents and make the comparison and you can look at the end results of a team and say did they learn anything or was it just a fluke that they made it this far. I believe that loosing Nick on offense would have been a major blow to most teams but with what Monrovia has as a back-up is no joke either. I just want you to come down on the East vs. West hype and look at the final results and factor everything in.

  • BAdawG

    Calpreps 2011 Prediction:

    Bishop Amat 41, Charter Oak 8

    Anyone that has been following high school football for more than 5 years knows that passing games mean absolutely nothing in regards to the overall strength of a team. Even Aram admits that “They’re mostly worthless other than to do some athlete checking.”

    BA is returning a lot of starting offensive players as well as 7 from defense that started 3 sophomores last season. BA has never been known for size…ever. As a matter of fact, one of the best DB’s to ever play for BA was Darien Johnson. He was All Everything and this kid almost singlehandedly beat St. Bonaventure in 2009…

    Within the course of one season, Darien Johnson went from having no offers to offers from New Mexico, New Mexico St (where he chose and started 11 games), Montana St., Portland State, Sacramento State, and Northern Arizona. Oregon St. and Washington also showed interest. What an amazing feat for an amazing young man.

    Darien Johnson was (and still is) only 5-9, 175

  • Fred Robledo

    Observant, Monrovia got better toward the end of the year because of the competition. Once they were done playing a tough preseason schedule, the competition in the very disappointing Rio Hondo League was a breeze, and the simple fact is there was not a lot of strong competition in the Mid-Valley Division. In this area, West Covina and Bonita were the best in the Southeast, but the traditionally strong East schools competed in the Sierra and Serra (Inland Division or Pac-5). How would Monrovia have done in the Sierra or Serra last year? I don’t think they would have made the playoffs or won more than six games. In the Southeast Division I’m not sure last year’s Monrovia team would have made the finals. I still would have taken West Covina or Bonita against them head to head. Like I said, Monrovia lost to Glendora, beat a 3-7 South Hills by 3 points, lost the first game to San Dimas and beat them in the rematch. And they slammed Whittier Christian in the finals. Whittier Christian is good, but small schools good. Why don’t they go the route of West Covina and schedule a Loyola or Bishop Amat? Then we would know exactly where they’re. Finally, you can’t use a “who got better toward the end of the year” argument when you compare Mid-Valley to teams that compete in the Southeast or Inland can you. If South Hills were in the Rio Hondo League and competed in the Mid-Valley, they would have probably won the championships last year. If Monrovia played South Hills’ preseason schedule and competed in the Sierra League, they would have been lucky to win five games and would have missed the playoffs.

  • SaintsR4real

    Great response Fred!!
    It makes perfect sense.

    ObservantCat, you’re time MAY come, and I’m sure everyone appreciates your the effort you put on your post.

    Aram has no clue what he’s doing. Half the teams he diagnosed, he hasn’t seen. And he’s stubborn as a mule!!

  • mtown lives

    Fred..if Covina can beat West Covina at any point in the season, that means that a midvalley team can beat a southeast Champ. Anything you say after that is just hype spookism, favoritism etc. No one is arguing, that the Midvalley is not as strong as Southeast…But what you are saying can’t happen already happened and it happened in week one. Monrovia already beat a southeast playoff team in Arcadia. Anyone who has played a day there life knows anyone can be beat. I don’t care if Monrovia is playing Bishop Amat. They have a chance to win. We are not talking about who’s the favorites or divisional stuff. We are talking about two good teams playing. With that being said….you should not be creating such absolutism in your way of thinking.

  • mtown lives

    also, I think aram’s post was based on “passing league” so with that being said, that’s the justification for the rankings. read the titles. you can’t rank bishop number one with Rio missing all summer come on now…and you can’t rank west covina high with not established QBs. I think sometimes we are so lock into Fred’s “Absolutism” that no mattter what’s going on BA is #1 etc. etc…don’t get your panties in bunch its just passing league. In monrovia we don’t care about passing league. We all know that BA and West Co and Chino Hills and La Habra, and Monrovia and Charter oak are good teams when the run game is added, and people start hitting people. Stop Crying over something that is not important!

  • Fred Robledo

    Aram’s rankings aren’t “passing team” rankings, they’re rankings based on who he thinks are the top football teams right now. The Covina over West Covina win was a fluke. West Covina won that game for 3 1/2 quarters and took their foot off the gas and got stunned. The same probably happened in Monrovia’s loss to San Dimas in the first meeting. Answer my question, how would Monrovia do in the Sierra? It’s one thing to have one or two step-up games on the schedule and be fired up for those one or two games, but try doing it week in and week out. South Hills and Charter Oak found out this past season that having step-up games almost every week is a tough way to live. Glendora has argued for years that if they were in the Southeast during Charter Oak, South Hills and Diamond Ranch’s deep playoff runs, they would have been fighting for titles instead of losing to Upland in the second round of the Inland. I agree. I thought for a season Charter Oak and South Hills felt what Amat goes through in facing tough teams week in and week out and trying to put together a solid record. That’s why I’m still impressed with Amat’s 9-2 record last year compared to other teams in our area. I’m not sure if anyone in our area could have gone 9-2 facing the same schedule. It’s hard. Look at South Hills, they faced Tesoro, Los Osos, Monrovia, and West Covina before facing the Sierra League. They went 3-7. I’m not sure Monrovia would have fared much better than 4-6 if you count their win over South Hills playing the same schedule. I know everyone is enamored with the great records and titles, but the reality is, the area’s best teams don’t always wind up with the best records and titles because the level of competition is night and day in comparison.

  • just sayin’

    mtown -” you can’t rank west covina high with not established QBs” couldn’t you say the same thing about monrovia – who have an even bigger hole to fill?

  • mtown lives

    @ just saying
    I think George johnson was a hell of a QB. He was not flashy but he was a super athlete, and could get out of trouble with his legs. Despite everything being said Johnson could keep teams honest. I’d say that is bigger hole to fill. I saw west co new guy and he is not showing any signs of being a decent passer. Also West Co Had a two head monster at with BJ Lee and Chris solomon. When you have two backs that are that good, they keep each other Fresh. I am not doubting Solomons skills. However he is going to be pulling a full load along with going both ways…It’s going to be interesting… However we lost Bueno but we are replacing him with a great athlete, and a kid who has the potential to be a all valley QB and who is actually a better passer than bueno. We also got Ramirez back which will balance out what we lost on the ground with bueno’s rushing.

    @ Fred, i did not say that Monrovia would win the southeast, what I did say is that Monrovia can compete in the south east. My point was being taken out of context. What I did say is that Monrovia in a one game situation can play with any southeast team. Fluke or no fluke, a loss is a loss and win is a win. Why can’t you understand that. You are truly sick with the Dis-ease of absolutism. Here is the bottom line. I never said that Monrovia would step into the southeast and win it. These teams are used to playing that competition. Monrovia would need a adjustment period to get used to that level week end and week out. However, that does not mean that Monrovia can not compete and win some games. At the end of the year, monrovia was playing at high level, and if you would have put west co against them it would have been a good game, and yes west co would have been the favorites, and possibly won the game. But Monrovia could have won the game too.

  • tDro

    I don’t think it’s “Absolutism” to say that two teams play on two different playing fields. It is simple truth to say that two different teams, in this case Monrovia and West Covina, play two different schedules. The issue then becomes whether we can say one is “tougher” or “better” than the other. One can then state their case as to which Division or Schedule or League, etc. is tougher, better, stronger, etc. When you get to this point, you are dealing with arguments not facts.

    How do we quantify “tougher” or “better” in this case?

    I don’t think the argument is whether Monrovia can beat West Covina. In sports, anything can happen which is why we love ‘em. I think the central argument here is that Monrovia would not fare as well if they had the same schedule as a West Covina or a Glendora or a Chino Hills or Bishop Amat. This is a statement of opinion, not fact, which is important to understand. We can only speculate as to what would happen in this scenario. The truth of the matter is that, yes, any team on any given night can win the game. Also true is that some teams are “better”, “stronger”, “tougher” than others.

    I think there are certain things that people do assume to be reasonably true. For instance, most who are around high school football would tell you that the PAC-5 Division is stronger than the Mid-Valley Division. One can choose to accept that to be true or not. The same can be said when discussing the Hacienda League or the Rio Hondo League. Most would say at this juncture that the newly-formed Hacienda is stronger than the Rio Hondo League. One can accept this to be valid, or not…

    Sports are all about the human aspect. The pressure, the anticipation, the unexpected, the unimaginable… When we talk about sports, we also have this compulsion to judge them as if they are a science. We believe that sports are so final, so definitive. In reality, sports are not governed by any particular laws. Some days, the “better” team loses. Some days, the “better” athletes fail. Some days, the team that was playing “better” loses (just watch soccer). We feel the need to “control” sports, but the truth is how can we be scientists if there is no science? We like to think we know, but truly we don’t. We can only speculate, only guess, only imagine, only argue, only think. If we all “knew”, there would be nothing to “know”. So, argue away because it is fun because it is compelling and because we can all reasonably say that we just don’t know.

  • mtown lives

    Great post Tdro. Don’t shoot down my theory of absolutism yet. You actually made my point more clear. People react to new challenges and stimuli accordingly. The rio hondo is clearly no challenge for monrovia now. A new challenge would be stepping up into the southeast. By defeating a south east team and a inland team, we have proven, we can play at that level. We at Monrovia would accept that challenge, and would be competitive. I would say the same about west covina if they move up to the inland. The only facts we have are the games played. until then….Id say Right now…. Monrovia could make the semis in Southeast. Especially if Arcadia made it to the second round.

  • FredJ

    Mtown Lives, you wrote, “you can’t rank bishop number one with Rio missing all summer come on now…and you can’t rank west covina high without established QBs.” What I did was explain why I would rank Amat and West Covina ahead of Monrovia, but somehow you that turned into “absolutism.” I think my arguments for Amat and West Covina being “ranked” ahead of Monrovia are fair, don’t you? Yes, Monrovia might beat Amat if they played ten times, but one out of ten is the reason Amat is still better and should be ranked higher. Is that so hard to understand?

  • Observantcat

    Fred please give up your argument. The bottom line is where are the scouts going this season?…. Thank you! you sound more like a fortune teller than a reporter. We know you love BA but take away a couple of players and what do you have? Workman, Sierra Vista, maybe even Duarte so enough with the super over the top hype. I remember when you said that Monrovia would not be able to compete in the Mid-Valley just 3 seasons ago when they lost 5 of their starters but lets see, we managed to go to the Semi’s, Get to the Finals, return to the finals to win it all. Now if thats not progressive then what is? When you were on the west side you couldn’t detach yourself from Muir or St. Francis. You seem to have excuses every time your predictions aren’t correct. You had Rosemead beating Monrovia 2 years ago and they got their tails handed to them along with San Dimas the following week. Your predictions were so far off you lost your credibility. Give me the top 5 players on each of the teams that you think have the edge on Monrovia and I will give you 5 back to match. The way you talk about Rio you would think that he is a 5 star football player. He is a baseball player that plays football. I’m not going to become biased about the reporting but I will give Aram his props for not getting stuck on redundant. He has taken a more in depth look at these teams before blanketing who he feels is a lock at number 1. And when you say Amat would win 9 of 10 times that would be wishful thinking thats just telling everyone that the atheletes are just far more superior than those at Monrovia or any other San Gabriel valley school for that matter. NOT! nice try but Ill take the more athletic team all day long. You sure had high praise for the so-called small school Whittier when you thought they had a chance to knock off Monrovia in last years finals and to use the excuse that all of the teams in the Mid-Valley were just weak push overs is a joke. Every team that suits up comes to play and comes to win. Because Monrovia made it look easy doesn’t mean that those teams were not competitive, I suppose BA would have had just as easy a time? or maybe not! I dont get on these blogs to pick fights with honest fans from any team. I go straight to the instigator! You live in a glass house and until a large enough rock is thrown you dont have a story.

  • Amat Bully

    Robledo you sound like a hater right now why the what at the end of CO being number one? go down the line skill position for skill position and CO wins and if you look at CO o-line and d-line its neck to neck…..please stop hating.

  • mtown lives

    Fred, I am glad you brought up Numbers. Here are some exact ones. Bishop Amat vs Monrovia, Bishop leads the series 2-1(%67). However, Monrovia won the last meeting. Now if you were to make it 10 games the series would be 7-3(70%) in Favor of bishop. I will not argue that. Now, If you take away the Divisions and Schedule etc, and look at the talent on both teams this year; could this not be a season where Monrovia could beat Bishop? With McCarthy, Ramirez, Craft, Williams, Bryant. I know Bishop is loaded too. Whenever Monrovia has played Bishop, Bishop has been the favorites. But now with Their starting QB away, shouldn’t that have a effect on their ranking? I truly believe with out Rio, Bishop could fall to a few of the top Teams in the SGV, Monrovia included. Is that so unbelievable?

  • FredJ

    Observant, so let me get this straight, you’re making the argument that Monrovia is better than Bishop Amat because a few more scouts are there to watch Ellis McCarthy? Do a neutral unbiased calpreps computer match-up of Monrovia and Amat and what does it spit out. Amat 39, Monrovia 17 in 2010, and that’s with Monrovia’s title. So I guess somehow I’m biased and drinking the Amat cool-aid for writing that Amat is better than Monrovia with virtually their entire offense back and Zach Shay while Monrovia lost the two-time player of the year. What other nonsense did you write, “Take a couple Amat players away and you might have Workman, La Puente, or Duarte.” Keep writing, I thought you were smarter than that. That might be one of the dumbest things you ever wrote.

  • FredJ

    Mtown, I’m ranking Bishop based on the fact Rio is a Serra League first-team quarterback who is their projected starter and will be with the team when it starts the season, starts the Serra League and in the playoffs if they make it. But Rio’s not the sole reason, there are several other reasons, namely, Jalen Moore, one of the the best backs in the Valley. I still can’t get over Observant’s comment, what he essentially said is if you put the top five or so Amat players on Duarte, they would be as good as Amat now, because I guess Amat has no athletes or depth except for a few star players. Wow. Finally, you make it sound like I’m disrespecting Monrovia because I would rank them No. 4 in the all-encompassing top 25, which is an impressive ranking. I also believe Monrovia is going to win the Mid-Valley again, no argument there. I just wouldn’t rank them ahead of Amat, Charter Oak or West Covina for the aforementioned reasons, but I guess in doing so that makes me biased and unfair.

  • mtown lives

    Jalen Moore is not the best back in the Valley. Tarian Owens from Muir is the best back in the SGV, according to every scouting website.
    See Fred…there you go with “Absolutely” ranking everyone from Bishop higher than anyone else.

  • tDro

    If Observantcat’s posts are not “Absolutism”, I do not know what is.
    I think it is important to draw a distinction between what is “Absolutism” and what is an opinion.
    Observantcat’s posts are filled with fallacies most notably a clear personal bias. That would appear to be the very definition of “Absolutism” as his post is strictly to say there is only one opinion on this matter. Whether one agrees with his “assessment” or not, it is dripping with “Absolutism” and someone has a pretty clear bias.
    The attack on FredJ from this blog is that he favors Amat and the other schools leaving no room for interpretation. However, I feel much more comfortable listening to his opinion in which we can only speculate as to whether he has bias as opposed to Observantcat or Amat Bully’s posts in which they are dripping with personal bias and are not open to revision.

    As far as this subject, it is my humble opinion in which I concede I do not “know” anything that Monrovia would fare reasonably well in the Southeast Division. They have a great program in place under Maddox and have a strong talent pool to choose from. One could make the case that they could play in the Southeast Division, but it is also important that we say we do not “know” for sure. We can only speculate. Thus, there is no right or wrong here which I think is important to note. Let’s try not to make it so that there is only a “right” or “wrong” answer. Sports are open-ended. They are about unpredictability and so nobody can truly claim to “know” as I have said before. What you see here are a compilation of opinions and perspectives on something that does not have a “right” or “wrong” answer. When you see someone claiming something to be indisputable “truth” that is when you find “Absolutism”. Most often, these culrpits are those with allegiances to THEIR teams and THEIR players and THEIR coaches.

  • oddsmaker

    Fred is like the oddsmaker in Vegas. He’s setting the probablity that Amat would win while motown and Observant are picking the longshot hoping they catch lightning in a bottle that one game. Freds using the data that Amat is Nearly undefeated the past 10 yrs against anybody in the valley in over twenty-something games. That makes ot a pretty strong probablity.

    I’d ask Observant and especially mtown – who would you bet your paycheck on?

  • mtown lives

    Odds Maker, Like I showed Bishop leads the series against Monrovia 2-1. Where are you getting your numbers from? That’s a little more that Lightning in a bottle. There is a 33% chance that Monrovia could win. You are never supposed to bet with your heart. This year I feel that Monrovia would have a chance to beat them. I here to fight against “Absolutism”. I would place my money on my team.

  • 12th man

    People will always call you a hater when all your really doing is making highly educated predictions or guesses if you will(going with the odds or numbers)…tDro are you a proffesional Mediator or Lawyer lol..You my friend have a gift with words & explanations “Good Job”

  • Simplicity!

    Monrovia fans,

    BA is always outmatched on paper every single year. They are always smaller too! But somehow, they find ways to win. Now I want you guys to compare the following (AND FOR GOD’S SAKES REEEEEEEEEEAD!)…

    Within the past 3 years, Bishop Amat has beat..

    Orange Lutheran 2008: #11 in California
    Crespi 2008: #25 in California

    *BA also lost by 4 pts to 2008 Pac-5 Champ LB Poly (#3 in State of California)

    St. Bonaventure 2009 #18 in California
    Mater Dei 2009 #40 in California
    Alemany 2009 #46 in California

    Crespi 2010 #25 in California
    *BA lost by 1 TD to Alemany (#9 in California)

    PLEASE NOTE…THESE ARE THE BIGGEST GAMES, BA ALSO PLAYED A HOST OF TOP 100 TEAMS
    ===================================================================================

    By far, Monrovia’s toughest opponent in 2008 was Rosemead whom they lost to twice. Rosemead was ranked #182 in California.

    By far (again), Monrovia’s toughest opponent in 2009 was San Dimas whom they split games and lost in the playoffs to. San Dimas was ranked #114 in California.

    In 2010, Monrovia toughest opponent was Glendora whom they lost to. Glendora was ranked #162 in California.

    Monrovia also split games with San Dimas. SD finished at #242 in California.

    ~CIF Finalist, Whittier Christian finished the season at #208! LOL!

    DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE??? YOU MONROVIA FANS HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE COMPETITION MONROVIA FACES AND WHAT BISHOP AMAT FACES IS AS DIFFERENT AS NIGHT AND DAY! WHAT WORLD DO YOU LIVE IN? HAHAHAHAHAAA!

    ===================================================================================

    2009 Calpreps Final Prediction
    Bishop Amat 35 (#17 in Cali), Monrovia 8 (#170 in Cali)…

    2010 Calpreps Final Prediction
    Bishop Amat 35 (#26 in Cali), Monrovia 14 (#92 in Cali)…This is a one and done Pac-5 playoff team versus a CIF Championship team.

    2011 Calpreps Preseason Prediction
    Bishop Amat 35, Monrovia 14

    I’ll leave it up to you to research Calprep’s accuracy but I do believe you will be quite impressed by it. Why you guys just can’t be happy w/ your CIF Championship without making ridiculous claims that you CANNOT back up is beyond me…or Fred! LOL!

  • Observantcat

    Monrovia. Point blank! I did it before and won and I will do it again

  • mtown lives

    Simplicity, those are fictional predictions of games, that never happened. The Factual info is Bishop Amat is 2-1 vs Monrovia. With those Factual numbers, we at Monrovia can say we have beat Bishop and have a chance to beat them in the future. Not every year, but in out best years we have a chance. This year, is one of best years. Please use all Factual numbers regarding Bishop Amat vs Monrovia. If you have speculations or What ifs or anything else that is not something that has occured in Real life…don’t bother. Don’t get mad, Find a hole in what I have just stated here.

  • AMAT 73

    I think the argument here is out of whack . AMAT really has no place here and it’s not for the reason many haters would jump on me for being of the thinking that AMAT is too or we play in the top division or being arrogant. Could Monrovia beat AMAT , sure they could on any given Friday but what would that really prove.You can say that about a few teams in the SGV in that on any Friday they could beat us. Maybe the question you should ask is how would they fare playing AMAT 4 weeks in a row or playing in the Trinity , Serra or for that matter the Big 8. One game does not make you the best team, unless it’s the in the championship, it only makes you the better team that night. Now you can go on about the Serra not being a top caliber league but to those who follow and know football they simply do not fall into that frame of thinking. The argument isn’t if such and such is the top team, but it’s if they could move up to stonger competition on an ongoing basis and stay at or near the top . Beating AMAT is somewhat of a measuring stick to the locals but it does not validate a move up or instant long term credibility to a team , all it means is on that Friday you were the better team. Look at CO’s B2B titles. Great accomplishment but they finished 3rd in the Sierra and had a first round loss in the playoffs . We will see how they come out this season because now they have a taste of tougher competition in league and can see the road to a title is much more difficult in the Inland then it ever was in the Southeast. So the question isn’t if you can beat AMAT, but how would you and do you have what it takes to move up the ladder. I don’t think that if WC and Monrovia were to move to the Inland and Southeast respectively they would have an easy time of it but that’s my opinion. WC would do a little better than Monrovia due to beating of teams like Glendora and SH and testing themselves by taking on a Pac-5 team every so often. Battle tested as they say.
    O’cat,
    I have much respect for you but Monrovia’s stands may be filled with D-1 scouts this season as you and others have said. Does that mean they are a top team or they could beat WC, CO,or AMAT . No it means you have one of the top uncommitted D-1 prospects in SoCal so let’s not lose sight of why they are there. And you saying AMAT is only losing a couple of players away from being a Workman or a Duarte is so far off the wall I have to believe even you were laughing when you wrote that because it gave me one hell of a laugh.

  • mtown lives

    Amat 73 what you said, is what I have been saying all along. Read my post. There is a adjustment period that goes along with moving up in class. It would be foolish to think Monrovia could waltz into a upper division, and win it…. But neverless, after winning the Midvalley again this year, we will seriously have to look at Moving up. But there are some people on here who think that we would just get spanked or wouldn’t win games…thats crazy! We are looking to build this program and it is moving in the right direction. Ellis McCarthy’s pub has help the program become more visible and will allow some of our other talents to get a look. With a great coach like Maddox who is building a program, you can expect things to get better and better. Talent + Program = Success. We have always had the talent, but never the program to develop it on continuous basis. Now that we have both, we feel that we are on our way out of the lower divisions and into the upper divisions. With this new exposure and better Facilities we have made our school a viable place for kids to want to come, just like bishop, charter oak and west covina have done. With that being said you will see the gap separating Bishop from Monrovia or CO or West co Closing slowly. We are not there yet but we are coming for that number one shot. A Better SGV Makes Bishop even Better if you ask me. There are teams better than Venice, Cathedral, and Garfield in the SGV. I would love to see Bishop play more sgv team on regular basis in the future.

  • Observantcat

    Amat 73, you are so right, I sometimes get a kick out of stirring the pot. Freddy has been on my back for the past 8 years with this Prove it to me theory about Monrovia. I see teams like Whittier Christian as a team capable of recruiting players from the La Habra area and one day becoming just as dominate as an Oak Christian who at one time couldn’t tie their own shoestrings. When I look back at Monrovia’s history it was never one that runs from the competition no matter who we had to play. Fred call a team that has gone to 10 CIF finals (some Damn Billy Cats) Although I do laugh at those words sometimes I also look at it as a form of total disrespect. What does that say for the teams who have never made it that far? (Stem Cells) Here Freddy has an opportunity to get up close and personal with One of the most highly recruited football players to grace the SGV in a long long time and he would walk passed him if he were dressed in street clothes. I would love for the Cats to have a chance to prove themselves by stepping it up and playing with the bigger football programs. I also do not believe the hype of a Cal Prep computer to tell me what teams should do to each other, I prefer to watch the games myself. All in all I do try and respect every team on these blogs who feel that they dont get any respect (even Pomona) I want to see what kind of recipe goes good with Rice. Fred always tries to use the words Bigger, Faster, Stronger, well Who’s Bigger than McCarthy, and who’s Faster that DeShawn and who is stronger than Frazier?….Get back with me Freddie

  • oddsmaker

    mtown- you’d be a poor man. The last 7yrs Amat has played locally against CO, Glendora, West Covina, Diamond Ranch, Damien, St Francis, St Paul,& Rancho Cucamonga- and SWEPT them all during a time when Monrovia was not as good. Just because MHS knocked off some teams below the top 100 doesn’t mean they’re in thatcategory.And guess what? Amat’s BETTER than they were when they were then! WHY would they want to play the locals again after sweeping them already?

  • NotSince1995

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    Simplicity –
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    I did the research and looked at the record books, but I couldn’t find a CIF Championship for BishopNation. Not Since 1995…!
    .
    Am I wrong with these FACTS…!
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    Not In 2011 Either…You’re too small!
    .

  • NotSince1995

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    Tisk…Tisk…Tisk…!
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    And now you have to face the valley…and the walk of shame…
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    What a shame…
    .

  • Mtown Lives

    Odds maker, in the last 7 years none of the teams mentioned were the Monrovia Wildcats…The last time they played Monrovia Bishop Amat Loss. Once again, I asked anyone replying to My comments, should have a factual statement regarding Bishop Amat Vs Monrovia. Like I have stated Factually, the Bishop Amat Lancers are 2-1 verse the Monrovia Wildcats. I did not mention Glendora, Charter Oak, the SGV etc, etc,.Once again Cal Prep Projections, “what if this team Played that team”, Pac 5 talk etc.. etc… is not valid, and holds no weight in a head to head play nor real events that actually happened. Thanks.

  • Record Books!

    Bishop Amat is 0-1 vs South Pasadena and 1-1 vs Blair…. 2-1 vs Monrovia.

    Bishop Amat is 3-3 vs Rio Hondo league teams…

    “bishop” YOUR NOT SO BAD!!!

  • Now that’s good blogging

    Great blogging guys good healthy opinions no bashing. It is great to hear the different points of view that show some form of intellegence. Sure not everyone will agree what each other wrote but good thought was put in. Nicely done.

  • Bottom Line

    Monrovia Bloggers,
    Win the CIF Championship again, then you have a leg to stand on with all this jibberish.

    It’s gonna be funny as hell when you guys come up short and either shut down or state 101 excuses!!

    Like I said, you won a Mid-Valley Ring, but thats as far as that goes. Come back to reality, please!!

    NOW STFU and play ball!!

  • Dan

    Great thread here, lots of interesting viewpoints, and I’m having a good time reading all of it. I tend to agree more with Fred’s view, no absolutism on his part but instead an opinion that seems to have the the data to back him up.
    This may be Monrovia’s year, but at this point in time, they are unproven against upper level SGV teams, maybe this year that will change. With that said, I don’t mind that Monrovia is ranked ahead of West Co. I like low key for my team, better to be underrated at the beginning and suprise with a strong finish at the end than the other way around. Most years, West Co usually starts with a lower ranking than what they finish with. Last year at this time I believe West Covina was ranked at 6 or 7 in the preseason poll, at one point in the season they may have even fallen out of the top ten, [correct me if I'm wrong,Fred] yet they finished as the tribune number 1 team at the end of the season, I like it that way.
    TDro, 12th man hit it on the money, you have a way with words, thanks for the lessons in philosophy, great post by you.
    Good Night!

  • Record books.

    Bottom line what Gibberish?

    -Bishop Amat is .500 against Mid valley Rio Hondo league schools.

    -Bishop Amat has not won any kind of title since 1995?

    -Bishop is not going to win in 2011?

    -Bishop is too small?

    Record books only deals with facts brother…Please clarify and be specific, instead of wishing ill luck on Monrovia’s program this season.

    Im Rooting for Bishop Against Servite!!!

  • Simplicity!

    Okay…well these games actually happened…

    Bishop Amat beat Crespi 31-28
    Bishop Amat killed Notre Dame 52-7

    Crespi killed Loyola 41-7
    Notre Dame beat Loyola 21-18
    Bishop Amat beat Loyola 31-21

    Loyola (0-4, LAST PLACE TEAM) killed Upland 35-10
    THIRTY-FIVE TO TEN!

    Upland killed Glendora 41-14
    FOURTY-ONE TO FOURTEEN!

    Glendora beat Monrovia 21-7

    CAN YOU SEE THE PATTERN? IT ONLY GOES IN ONE DIRECTION. THAT DIRECTION HAS MONROVIA AT THE BOTTOM.

    THIS IS WHY CALPREPS (WHICH TAKES STRENGTH OF SCHEDULE AND RANKINGS INTO ACCOUNT) HAS BISHOP AMAT BEATING MONROVIA 35-14 LAST SEASON AND THIS UPCOMING SEASON.

    I OFFER YOU GUYS SCORES AND STATS AND RANKINGS FROM PROVEN RELIABLE SOURCES AND YOU INSIST THAT MONROVIA COULD BEAT BISHOP AMAT BECAUSE THEY DID IT OVER 20 YEARS AGO! LMAO!

    seriously guys, lay off the shrooms…

  • mtown lives

    Simplicity, what data do you have regarding Monrovia vs Bishop Amat? I have concrete facts that say Bishop is leading the series 2-1 with Monrovia beating Bishop Amat in the Last match up….I don’t see how the information you provided has anything to do with Monrovia High school(Monrovia,CA) vs Bishop Amat(La Puente,CA). If you have any Factual new data related to these two teams, Please show Me what you have.

    Thank you.

  • Record Books

    Simplicity here is what you said…

    “I OFFER YOU GUYS SCORES(What Scores in Monrovia vs Bishop Amat games?) AND STATS(what states rushing yards, passing yrds?) AND RANKINGS(Bishop has always been ranked higher than Monrovia whats new?) FROM PROVEN RELIABLE SOURCES(Projections) AND YOU INSIST THAT MONROVIA COULD BEAT BISHOP AMAT BECAUSE THEY DID IT OVER 20 YEARS AGO(ding ding 1st Fact)! LMAO!”

    Bishop Amat’s last Title 1995(17 yrs)
    Monrovia’s last Title 2010

    Bishop Amat is 2-1 vs Monrovia
    Last winner: Monrovia

    Record Books needs some red ink… to correct.

  • Simplicity!

    mtown lives

    When is the last time Monrovia beat a top 100 team in California? Forget that…When is the last time Monrovia PLAYED a top 100 team in California? LOL! You keep talking about a game that occurred over 20 years ago. How is that relevant to what’s been happening the past 5 or even 10 years?

    Do your reasearch and tell me the last top 100 team Monrovia has played…

    Ya know, I would expect this from West Covina…at least they have had the balls to play Mater Dei, Bishop Amat, and Loyola (THIS DECADE and not during the Reagan Administration! LOL!)

    But Monrovia???? If Monrovia can hang with the top 50 teams then I’m sure you can prove it! What awesome teams have the Wildcats beat besides BA over 2 decades ago?

  • reality

    Cal-preps predictions will radically adjust after week 1 of the season. To use their picks now as a measuring rod is pointless speculation. I enjoy thoughts about the perceived strengths of teams but to say who is going to beat who until week 1 means nada. Just comparing Monrovia’s size, coaching and enthusiasm during passing leagues I think they can compete with anyone. But if Glendora beats them by 20 in the opener oh well.

  • Simplicity!

    Record Books

    You can prove it too. If Monrovia can beat a top 50 or a top 100 school…name the last school they have beat or played that fits this?

    I mean, no one would dare claim they could beat a top 50 school in the State of California when they have never even played a top 100 team right?

    Right?

    Hellloooooo?

    Is anyone home? LOL!

    For real, guys…are u both high or are you THAT ignorant?

  • Record Books

    Monrovia Beat Division 2 Diamond Bar In 1999.

  • Record Books

    1999 Diamond Bar lead By Dominic Robinson went on the win Div II that season.

    Simplicity…you are dealing with “Record Books Here”.

  • Record Books

    Monrovia ranked 92 in state. Top 100 teams are good teams.

  • Just The Facts Maam….

    2011

    Monrovia Average Strength of schedule thru 10 games
    “4.49″

    Bishop Amat Average strength of schedule thru 10
    games
    “35.97″

  • Record Books

    I don’t like using cpu generated rankings bc they mean absolutely nothing. However in 2011 according to maxpreps and Cal preps

    Little Ol Monrovia is ranked higher than

    Loyola
    Notre Dame
    Venice
    Garfield
    La Mirada
    Cathedral
    Damien

    Bishop by far plays the weakest preseason schedule of any Pac 5 school.

    Servite and Crespi are the only two top 100 teams on BA regular season schedule.

    Simplicity did not put this information in his blog.

    How about this preseason schedule

    Chino Hills
    Servite
    West covina
    Monrovia
    Charter Oak

    According to cal preps that would be a tougher preseason schedule. And so deserving for a Pac 5 Powerhouse contender Like Bishop Amat.

    Its bed time…Simplicity.Nite nite.

  • Record Books

    Who claimed that Monrovia had a tougher Schedule or division? Once again Diversions….

  • Just The Facts Maam

    “Bishop by far plays the weakest preseason schedule of any Pac 5 school.”

    Alemany ( Pac 5 right? )

    Preseason strength of schedule 22.01

    Bishop Amat

    Preseason strength of schedule 32.38

    Calpreps 2011

    But hey! You are doing so good! PLEASE don’t let the FACTS get in your way!

  • Frank

    Why do Monrovia people say if some Of Amat players were at Duarte, Duarte would be just as good. Mtown you have nerve to mention Duarte, when everyone knows most of you’re better players are from Duarte. Mtown maybe those players should of played in Duarte, and you would have no ring, and Mtown would not even be a middle of the pack team.
    So be thankful for Duarte, you owe them a big thanks.
    By the way charter oak does too.

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    Simplicity,

    Please note that when comparing Monrovia vs. Glendora and Glendora vs. Upland (and then Loyola vs. Upland) that Glendora had QB Chad Jeffries for the Monrovia and did not have him for the Upland game. Hence the whacky scores.

    You have to look at Glendora’s 2010 season in two halves — the first half was with Jeffries and the second half without.

    That’s why it’s sometimes dangerous to do comparative scoring.

  • Fred Robledo

    I agree, good thread, lots of good things written. I’ll answer Observant’s last question in which he writes, “Fred always tries to use the words Bigger, Faster, Stronger, well Who’s Bigger than McCarthy, and who’s Faster that DeShawn and who is stronger than Frazier.”

    Nobody’s bigger or better than McCarthy, he’s one of the best lineman in the state, no argument here, and I’m praying he goes to UCLA :) . DeShawn and Jalen, pick your poison. Aram watched DeShawn in passing league and said he could be the area’s best player. I watched Jalen in pads against great teams last year and looking at his size and improved speed coming into the season, I expect another great year from him. Who is stronger than Frazier? I don’t know, but that Alcantara guy is pretty solid.

    Listen, no doubt those three could play anywhere, at Amat, Corona Centennial, Mater Dei, you name it, they would be impact players. But I look at Amat the last two years, 10-2 and 9-2 against some pretty solid teams. You don’t do that without depth, talent and great coaching, which hasn’t been mentioned. I think Amat’s size hurts them against the very best in the Pac-5, but they don’t lack size in comparison to area teams. The way they dismantled Damien last year was unbelievable, just ran through them. They dismantled Muir in the first quarter, not with athletes, with force.
    But that doesn’t make Amat unbeatable, or make me believe there are area teams the past few years that could have beaten them.
    Looking back, the 2008 Charter Oak championship team with Chris Allen, Adam Muema, Keith Smith, A.J. Powell and company would have gone toe-to-toe with Amat, which is why I wanted that game so bad. If the 2008 teams played ten times, I wouldn’t be surprised if it was 5-5. In fact, I bet that 2008 Charter Oak team could have gone on a deep Inland playoff run, they were that good. Last year, I thought Chino Hills was the only area team that matched up well against Amat. The way they played Corona Centennial and handled Tesoro showed me they could compete and beat Amat on any given night. Although I felt compelled to rank West Covina number one at the end of the season in our polls, I’m not sure West Covina matched up well. Amat was nails against running teams, their weakness was their secondary. They lost toward the end of the season on big plays, not teams running through them.

    Believe it or not, I would love to see Monrovia have one of those “great” teams, and maybe this is it. They just haven’t played the type of schedule to make the argument. If they went undefeated last year and smacked Glendora, San Dimas twice and destroyed South Hills, I’m with you, but it just didn’t happen.

    Looking at their 2011 schedule, Glendora and South Hills are the toughest games. The best Monrovia can do is whip those teams and go 14-0 and win the championship, and from everything I’ve heard, this team should go 14-0. I’m rooting for it. In fact, I would love to see a convincing 14-0 and a state playoff berth, then we would really watch Monrovia line up against great competition, and everyone in the SGV would be pulling for them, including me.

    But when you ask someone to rank teams based on last year, who’s returning and how teams teams performed against other great teams in the past, that’s the reason Amat usually starts No 1. It’s not a bias, they would be ranked ahead of other area teams in every other “outside” poll you read.

    I took over the Trib blog in 2007 and ranked Amat No. 6 in the preseason poll after going 5-5 the year before, and then dropped them from the rankings completely by the end after going 3-7. Nobody called me an Amat homer then, I was a South Hills homer, they finished No. 1 … See how the homerism works. Then Hagerty took over and in his three years they’ve lost one home game. Just one. They’re 26-7 on his watch with a win over Mater Dei in the playoffs, and a 2008 first-round loss to Long Beach Poly in the final seconds, the same team that won the Pac-5 title that year.

    It’s not that I wear Amat goggles, they just haven’t given me a reason to knock them off the area pedestal the past three years.

  • reality

    funny thing about that 3-7 Amat team. They beat St Paul – the D3 champ, Rancho Cucamonga, the next years champ, and Loyola who nobody besides West Covina in the SGV has the stones to play. regardless of record, that Amat team was probably better than most in the final top 10.

  • I don’t know

    This is the smallest Bishop Team ever!!! With no Rio for a few weeks….This is going to be a long year!

  • Mtown lives

    Reality here we go again…Has Bishop Played anyone in the SGV top ten last year or this year? Once Again speculation on games that “never happened”. Did you not read our leading Philosopher, and Poet “TDro” you can’t do that….They beat Mater Dei, Crespi etc…But…

    Didn’t you hear Bishop is 3-3 vs Midvalley Rio HOndo teams. How do you explain that?

    Bishop “You’re not so Bad”.

  • Simplicity!

    Fair enough, Aram, but Jeffries did not play defense and Upland dropped 41 points on Glendora in comparison to Monrovia’s 7. That’s a huge point difference regardless of who was the QB. As bad as Glendora’s defense was last season (Avg pts. allowed = 26.1/game) they STILL managed to hold Monrovia to 7 points. And I’m sure everyone will agree that it is good defense that creates turnovers. And as high powered Upland’s offense was vs Glendora, they were kept to 10 points when they played the Serra last place team in Loyola.

    For fun, here’s some more comparative scores:

    Bishop Amat 42, Damien 7
    Damien 35, South Hills 21
    Monrovia 28, South Hills 25

    It looks like for the most part, Damien = South Hills = Monrovia. The BA vs. Damien game was UGLY and was over at halftime. And I’m sure everyone that saw the game would agree that the score could have easily been 56-7 or worse, if BA kept their 1st teams in. There’s no reason to assume that Monrovia would have fared any better than Damien if they had played BA as well. And statistically, South Hills actually performed better than Monrovia when they played each other. SH amassed 380 total offensive yards vs. Monrovia, who only managed 236.

    But you’re right…Comparative scoring is often not the best way to do things but it does paint a nice picture when you have nothing else. Calpreps uses it as a measurement as do I! LOL!
    =================================================

    Record Books,

    Here’s some more info for your books.

    BA’s 2010 Best Preseason WINS:

    Garfield = Eastern League Champs(6-0 League play)
    Dominguez = SGV League Champs (5-0 League play)
    Venice = Western League Champs (5-0 League play)

    Monrovia’s 2010 Best Preseason WINS:

    Arcadia = Tied 1st Pacific League (6-1 League play but lost to team they tied with!)
    South Hills = 5th Place Sierra (2-3 League play)
    Paramount = 5th Place SGV (2-3 League play)

    Now Monrovia might be ranked higher than the teams you mentioned but the fact remains that Monrovia has failed to SCHEDULE any program like Venice, Loyola, or Notre Dame! I don’t know how many other different ways I can try to get this into your Monrovia minds…

    You CANNOT expect to COMPETE with the top 50 teams in the State of California when your football program has failed to even SCHEDULE a top 100 team in the State of California.

    Oh wait…but Monrovia beat Diamond Bar in 1999 right? HAHAHAHAHHAAAAA!
    ==============================================================================

    Fred Said…
    “Believe it or not, I would love to see Monrovia have one of those “great” teams, and maybe this is it. They just haven’t played the type of schedule to make the argument. If they went undefeated last year and smacked Glendora, San Dimas twice and destroyed South Hills, I’m with you, but it just didn’t happen.”

    THANK YOU FRED…THE VOICE OF REASON! =)

  • Fred Robledo

    I’m starting to believe Mtown is Notsince1995 in disguise. You can’t reason with unreasonable people. You know, Army owns a 5-4 head-to-head series record against Michigan, the problem is all of Army’s wins came in the 40s and 50s. Using Mtown’s logic, he would say look at the history, Army can compete with Michigan. Right.

  • reality

    Mtown – You can’t be as ignorant or have as clouded judgement as your posts appear. Please take a deep breath and try to be a bit logical. On one hand you are using a loss to South Pasadena that happened in a CIF Championship in 1962, a loss to Blair in the 3A championship game in 1962 and hanging your hat on a Monrovia win vs Amat in the 80s. But you won;t recognize that Amat has dominated the valley in the last 25 games they’ve played this decade-because none of them were last year (because TWO years ago the completed a 2 season sweep of West Covina, Diamond Ranch and Damien -who are all in the valley – and they play Damien this year, they’re in the valley – aren’t they? What I remember from last year are Monrovia losses to Glendora, San Dimas, and a narrow win over South Hills-before they beat up on a bunch of mid-level – I mean Mid-Valley teams. . That’s enough to put a BIG question mark on the Billy Cats helmets

  • reality

    the Blair game was in the 1969 AAA championship game when Blair had one of the best backfields ever in CIF. Them and South Pas a a little different today

  • FredJ

    That Blair team had the “Blair Pair,” Kermit Johnson and James McAlister. When I was in Pasadena, everyone argued that was the greatest team in West San Gabriel history, even better than the Muir championship teams of the 80s and the Temple City dynasty teams of the 70s.

  • Mtown lives

    For the record I am not “not since 1995″. That blogger is funny tho. I am Mtown lives. I have no issues with amat. They are the best program in the SGV Hands down!

    Fred I understand, that Break down, I totally agree with you %100. Bishop Has More CIF titles, Big time wins, a better schedule, better level of competition etc… Your theory is base on speculation, opinion, projects, league records that have nothing to do with “Head to Head” play.

    However, Historically Bishop Amat is 2-1 vs Monrovia, and 3-3 vs Rio Hondo league/Mid valley Opponents. So From a historical actual, concrete perspective, I can say that Bishop Has “Never” Dominated Monrovia nor Monrovia’s competition in the Rio Hondo.

    Go look it up for yourself… I’ll beat your paycheck that My info is more concrete than yours…come on try me lol.hahahaha

  • AMAT 73

    Record books,
    You better check that schedule of Alemany again . Eastside High and Beverly Hills High , I believe not in the catagory of a Cathedral nor Venice nor La Mirada or any of the others you mentioned on our schedule. I do like your list as far as a preseason schedule but CO beat them , WC beat them , Servite we have them this season , Monrovia , maybe next year but they must live up to the hype this season don’t you think, plus they also need to win their step games they now have on the schedule and win convincingly , CH would be a good game but it’s been kind of quiet about them this season compared to last year. Also it is not true that we have the weakest schedule in either Pac-5, preseason or league as Servite who happens to be the #1 ranked team in the SS , Crespi #13 ,Alemany #5, Loyola # 50 and ND # 69. so please check your rankings .Our total schedule has 8 teams ranked in the top 100 of the SS and LA City with the lowest being 80th in Damien so how weak could that schedule be .In case you forgot Venice #4 and Garfield # 9 in the City because I know you didn’t look there. I challenge you to find any other SGV team playing a total schedule with that many top 100 teams on it . Looks like bedtime for you comes very early today. I hear Borders books is having a clearence sale so you might want to buy a new record book because the one your using has some bad information in it .

  • FredJ

    Mtown Lives, your facts are your facts, even if they have nothing to do with high school football this century. You’re like arguing with the pretty girl who shows up on Sunday’s wearing her Steelers shirt to the bar. Logic goes through the window, but it’s fun listening too.

  • Simplicity!

    This just in!

    Calpreps 2011 Preseason California State Rankings

    1. Servite
    2. Concord De La Salle
    3. Mission Veijo
    4. Oaks Christian
    5. Santa Margarita
    6. BISHOP AMAT!!!!!!!
    7. Oceanside
    8. Valley Christian
    9. St. Bonaventure
    10.Palo Alto
    11.St. John Bosco
    12.San Clemente
    13.Alemany
    14.Village Westlake
    15.Folsom
    16.Please Grove
    17.Corona Centennial
    18.Chaminade
    19.Arroyo Grande
    20.Vista Murrieta
    21.Bellarmine
    22.Grant
    23.Crespi
    24.Compton Dominguez
    25.Tesoro
    26.Eastlake
    27.Clovis West
    28.Long Beach Poly
    29.San Ramon California
    30.CC Canyon
    31.Vista
    32.WEST COVINA!!!!!!
    33.La Habra
    34.Bakersfield
    35.Orange Lutheran
    36.San Ramon Valley
    37.Serra
    38.Rancho Cucamonga
    39.Helix
    40.Washington Union
    41.Redlands East Valley
    42.Bakersfield Centennial
    43.CHINO HILLS!!!!!!!
    44.Valencia
    45.Del Oro
    46.Mission Hills
    47.Mitty
    48.Upland
    49.Lakewood
    50.Mater Dei

    #76 Monrovia
    #150 Charter Oak

  • Joe Amat

    “So From a historical actual, concrete perspective”, if we use your head-to-head All-Time records does that mean that Amat is better than every team in the CIF except for Servite and Eisenhower?

    Amat’s record is 15-16 vs Servite and 4-5 against Eisenhower. Every other team Amat has played more than 3 times they have a winning record against. I won’t even claim superiority based an a small sample of only 3 games. (there’s some data in this post http://is.gd/ITdQve )

    So Amat is better than everyone else? And does Eisenhower have a claim that they’re better than Amat – even though they are 13-37 the last 5 yrs? Would you “bet your paycheck” on Ike based on that ?

    Amat isn’t better than Monrovia just because of a 2-1 all time record… they’re better because they are capable of beating teams Monrovia couldn’t compete with on a week-to-week basis.

  • AMAT 73

    Reality,
    Actually the 69 game was 4A against McAllister and Johnson two of the Bruins best( For you Fred ) and we lost going for the win 2 point conversion with Haden sneaking on a bad ankle.

  • AMAT 73

    Fred J ,
    Lost you on that Steelers t-shirt girl ? If I am not mistaken I did see the Steelers in last years Superbowl game and they are only a few years past winning it . So if that pretty girl knows football and looks good also than logic says get to know her because she’s a keeper. Throw your pals you went to the bar with out the window and figure out a way to give her a ride home.

  • FredJ

    Okay, maybe I should of said the Raiders girl in the bar …lol

  • Observantcat

    Joe Amat, I do agree with you on your stance that Amat could and would beat any team that Monrovia high has faced during their regular season all the way to the final game. But my assertion tells me by the end of the season the games would have similar outcomes. Yes at the beginning of the season Monrovia did struggle to find their offensive rhythm by having to rely heavily on the legs of Nick Bueno and not being to sure of its passing game. But by mid season the Cats found some offense and Nick found a way to get the ball into the hands of his receivers and then it was game over. If we were to play Amat last season my bet would have been that we would have gotten beat by as many as 3 Td’s in the pre-season but by the end of the season I would have bet my whole paycheck that Monrovia would have made major improvements and won by as many as 2-3 Td’s. I believe our Defense would have been the difference maker in that game. This season I would almost give that same prediction except to say that it would be a pure toss-up in the early season and Monrovia by at least 2 TD’s with Rio at your helm and 3-4 Td”s without him at the helm. Just my thoughts. All the other historical factors should be tossed out the window along with all of the what if’s and who comes. Just let them play 11 on 11 see the outcome. Rankings are purely speculative on who’s at the top of your division and represents the top of the Class in CIF, Servite will take along most of the Pac five as a package to insure its strength in terms of positioning, Look how far down the list Grant High school in Sacramento is and I would bet my paycheck that they could beat mostly if not all of the schools seeded above them. If you watched Folsom play last year in the state bowl against Serra and I’m sure that you would agree that they could have spotted teams like Amat 21-28 pts and still won by the end of the 4th quarter. So there you have it a real approach to this argument with no stings attached. And we all no what happened to the Great Servite team that represented us from the PAC 5 48-8 ? they found out how real it was to play a team with gifted athletes. Only time will tell but I think that Amat playing teams around the area that are good will tell us more about how much better they think they are. I think that even you may be in for a surprise.

  • FredJ

    Observant Cat, I’m curious, how many Amat games did you watch last year? Probably none since you were at every Monrovia game. I saw Monrovia three times and Amat four times, which gives me a little better perspective. That’s why it’s difficult listening to YOUR biased arguments. Amat lost to Alemany and Tesoro the final two games, little different than facing San Dimas and Whittier Christian in the semifinals and finals…Amat would have destroyed San Dimas and Whittier Christian by five touchdowns — probably by halftime, similar to what they did to Muir and Damien. You still don’t get it my friend. Ever wonder why boxers who start 20 or 30-0 with 15 to 20 knockouts against nobodies suddenly get knocked out when they step up in class and face a world class opponent? That’s what we got here. Facing Gladstone in the first round will always make you look better on television than facing Tesoro in the first round. If that’s what you mean by looking better toward the end of the year, more power to you. By the way, the Whittier Christian Mid-Valley finalist team slipped past Village Chrsitian 29-26, the same Village Christian that lost to Rio Hondo Prep 27-26 … RH Prep probably has 70 kids in the school with an offensive line full of guys my size. Now is someone going to argue they’re the best program in SGV history because they own the most CIF football titles? MTown, I’m waiting…

  • AZTEC PRIDE

    Fred, I don’t think COACH SANCHEZ(gladstone) would appreciate your comment.LOL…

  • Observantcat

    Joe Amat, I mean Fred Amat. Thats the part that I dont understand about you. You will argue to the end to prove a point that just cant be made. How do you know what Bishop would have done to San Dimas?.. By the end of the season like I said Monrovia could have easily ran the score up in the 4th quarter against SD but they didn’t. I figure maybe BA could have had a comparable game against SD at that point of the season as well. Like I said take out all the If’s, Ands, & Buts, and we can talk real football. Truly believe we could have had done the same thing Amat did with Alemany or Tesoro most likely coming out with a win or at least a similar score as you claim Amat had, so what is your point? You see Fred, you cant use the same excuses to provide your team an edge without looking at the opposite possibilities. I went to the Bishop Amat vs. Long Beach Poly game la couple of seasons ago and walked away very disappointed in both teams, that had to be Poly’s worst played games ever and they still won. For the record I did attend last years game against Damien where I just felt like Damien just plain ran out of gas after the first Quarter and luckily for Amat they had a couple of Athletes the had a good game that night or it could have been a very different outcome. Still I was not impressed at what I saw. But if you insist that this team no matter what is who you want to put all of your credentials in so be it. I dont know about you Freddy Amat just looks very beatable to me. The only thing I truly believe they have on most of the teams out here is the Depth of players, not that they are better at the positions but having 75 or more players on the team gives most teams the edge in that dept. But overall talent, very vanilla.

  • FredJ

    So Monrovia would have probably beaten Alemany and Tesoro, another wonderful prediction on your part. … Observant, you’ve gone this far so just go on record and say it, you probably believe Monrovia could have won the Pac-5 too, right? After all, you didn’t think the 2008 Long Beach Poly team was very good. All they did is win the Pac-5 title. Try faring well against Glendora first, or sweeping San Dimas. Listen, it’s clear that if one of us is biased, it’s clearly you. I wonder if Calpreps’ rankings are biased too — Amat is No. 6 in the state, Monrovia is No. 76…You call me Amat Freddy for making an easy argument that Amat is better than Monrovia, something any non biased football follower would agree with — except for you.

  • Mtown lives

    Once again fredJ I never said Monrovia was better than Bishop Amat. I did not Argue that Monrovia played Better competition. All I have said is Bishop Amat Is 2-1 vs Monrovia. Which is true, and I said that Monrovia, if Monrovia played Bishop Amat, we would have a chance of beating Bishop Amat. That’s All I said. Once again, are you saying that Monrovia would have no Shot and could never Beat Bishop Amat? If That’s what you are saying, then My info showing that Monrovia has Beat Bishop Amat in the Past, is valid. I do not care what year the games were played. Bishop has always been and would always be heavily Favorite in that Match up. Monrovia is ranked 76. Now if you consider how many teams are in California. that is great.

  • Observantcat

    Fred, you just answered you own question about being biased. You are saying that Monrovia at the END of their season didn’t improve enough to tackle Amat or Alemany or Tesoro?…. then you are delusional. What 4 games did you come to and watch? Which one is it, Amat being that great? and losing by a couple of scores to teams that are good but not great or Monrovia having to pull their guys off the field at halftime because of courtesy rules? Even De La Salle has teams that are way under the radar in terms of state and local rankings, but when they made it to state against the Big powerhouse Servite What Happened? Exactly 48-8 I bet you wouldn’t have believed that unless someone other than you own sub-conscience told you. And just for the record Cal Preps had that game De La Salle 28 Servite 27… What happened Fred? did their computer get a virus?

  • FredJ

    Mtown, I posted earlier they could win one of out ten, maybe two out of ten. Football’s a funny game, you can dominate a game and have eight turnovers and lose, anything is possible. I still don’t know how good Monrovia is, that remains to be seen. Like I also wrote earlier, maybe this is the year they go 14-0 and dominate, but I’m basing what I wrote on last year and previous years, or mostly games this century. The same goes for Charter Oak, Glendora, Damien, South Hills, Diamond Ranch and every other top tier program in the San Gabriel Valley. They can all beat Amat on any given night. But I get slammed for positioning Amat No. 1 because I’ve supposedly got Amat goggles on. I think I’ve clearly explained and justified why I rank Amat No. 1.

  • FredJ

    Observant, you’ve become impossible to argue logically with. I can’t argue with a guy who compares his team dominating Mid-Valley teams to Pac-5 playoff losers. Put it another way, if Monrovia was in the Serra, you seriously think they would have made the playoffs? Think about that, because this writing from your heart is getting out of hand.

  • Observantcat

    Thats not even the argument Fred. I think the argument comes from you being so adamant about Amat just beating down teams not what you rank them. I myself believe they should be ranked numero uno but to say just because the are ranked numero uno and play in the pac 5 that they would dominate every team in the area? thats where you catch most people off guard. Monrovia fans are very aware of what they can bring to the table and if you think that because it’s Amat that they will be intimidated you have another thing coming.

  • FredJ

    Observant, did you read what I wrote earlier. Amat played in the Serra and Pac 5 in 2007, and I ranked them No. 6 to start the season after going 5-5 the year before and didn’t rank them at all at the end after going 3-7. So I just don’t write what I write because they’re in a superior league and division. But the fact is they’ve gone 10-2 and 9-2 the past two years, and probably have their best team on paper in 2011. That’s why they’re No. 1, capiche.

  • Observantcat

    Fred, read your post carefully, You make it sound as though a good team couldn’t possibly have an above average year. Well if thats the Case look at Amat… They came from the ground up and it took them several years to have a couple of good years, not great but good years, I would call them great years if they made it to the Semi’s but until then, they are human just like any other good team in the area. As far as arguing, I dont feel that I am arguing, I’m just stating facts. You sound like you are talking more from the heart when it comes to taking about Amat than anyone on this blog. Including their number 1 and 2 fans Joe Amat and Amat 73. I’ll just call you Amat 2000′s

  • Observantcat

    Ok Fred lets just be fair. So you’re saying that the Amat teams that were going 4-6, 3-7, 5-5, Could have beaten the Monrovia teams that were going 13-1, 12-2, 13-1 back in 98,99, 2000… thought so. I’m sure your answer is yes. Those were the Akil Harris Days and the Days of Adam Gabriel and Co. We were bigger, Stronger, and faster than even the Monrovia teams of this generation. My point is you always use the excuse that we would lose 9 out of 10 games to this team but when would you think that we would have won?

  • AMAT 73

    O’cat,
    First and foremost I enjoy the love you have for Monrovia . But let me add this . If you think Damien just ran out of gas at the end of the first quarter ( and that must have been from chasing or running from AMAT up and down the field ) well I have got to believe you know nothing about football . It was more of the case of seeing a team having their heart ripped out of them because they knew they could do nothing to stop the Lancers. I mean even I and my fellow alumni buddies who sit together at all the games were in awe of what the team did that night . Hell even the famous Damien Pit was completely silent. No it was not because AMAT had a couple of gifted athletes it was a total team effort . I really can’t believe you were not impressed by what AMAT did that night . What I think you fail to see on your theory of you could have stood with Alemany and Tesoro is you have to figure after playing teams the likes of Crespi,Loyola,ND, then face Alemany then Tesoro . You have to admit that would be a tougher situation then going thru your league then play Alemany. Now the kicker is would you have been in place to play Tesoro after facing the 4 teams before that game.

  • Fred Robledo

    Observant, this is my last comment for tonight, I’ve got work, lol…

    Those were great Monrovia teams you spoke of, I thought the Monrovia 90s teams were better than Monrovia’s 2010 championship team. Amat went through a bad stretch for a while, clearly some of those good Monrovia teams you mentioned would have competed with the average Amat teams you’re talking about, and would have had a much better chance of winning than Monrovia facing Amat last year. Besides, the great teams in 1999 and 2000 were Los Altos, who I think would have defeated Amat, Monrovia or anyone else in the Valley. Felipe, Harwell, Cody … they were awesome.

    I just don’t think Monrovia’s 2009 or 2010 teams were as good as the 2009 or 2010 Amat teams, nor do they have the resume or any reasonable logic to back it up.

  • AMAT 73

    O’Cat,
    The years after DiFiori left and even his last couple of years the difference and what probably would have given the edge to Monrovia was the coaching ( Verti years ) at AMAT . I think the only reasons we won the local games we did was because of the heart and pride of our players facing long time SGV friends on teams they faced . Our coaching sometimes resembled a chinese fire drill as they say . Our staff was headed by a rookie head coach who was in over his head. Not his fault but just not the position for on the job training.

  • Joe Amat

    So that’s what we’ve come to? picking the best teams in Monrovia history and far deeper than today’s Wildcats pitted against Amat’s worst teams in their existence to measure whether Monrovia *could* win one, at some point.

    I think if that were the case Monrovia *might* have a chance. During those two years I was as hard on the Lancers as anybody and might as well have been Satan in the hallowed halls. Look it up. Now I’m called their biggest fan, or an Amat homer & apologist.

    During those years that 73 tactfully explained (and I still think the bigger problem was choice of assistants than anything) Amat was still relatively good. As mentioned in the 3-7 year they beat the DIII Champions, Beat Rancho Cucamonga who won a title the next year (so they MUST have been decent. No one gets that much better in a year with the same coaches) and Loyola.

    They also lost a close one to Los Osos, looked horrible vs OLu and a bunch of inner turmoil so the kids turned off the coachws. The year before they went 5-5 with losses to Hart, Valencia, Carson, Crespi, and ND. Crespi went to the finals and ND was 11-1 the net year. They also beat Rancho. Chaminade, St Paul Loyola, and St Francis, (who beat Los Altos in a semi-final year) I point all this out because records are relative.

    Repeat after me…”Records…Are…Relative!”

    Because… they depend on WHO YOU PLAY!

    SO those 3-7, 5-5 years the record was poor, practices looked “like a chinese fire drill”, game plans were all over the place, there was no discipline… and they still beat some pretty decent teams on lost to some perennial powers.

    Because of that… I’d give Monrovia a chance with there best teams. Kind of like this…
    http://youtu.be/KX5jNnDMfxA

    (Mtown lives should like that one)

  • Go Wildcats

    Monrovia is now the talk of this Blog….Mission Accomplished.

  • Go Wildcats

    Monrovia is now the talk of this Blog….Mission Accomplished.

  • Lets get to real stuff.

    Bishop why are you wasting your Time arguing with the lower division foes. Just Give the top two teams in the SGV two preseason games seasonally and put all the ney sayers to rest! Get Chino Hills, CO, Westco or Monrovia some spankings regularly and they will go away. Now, here is much more important topic….Is Alemany the new Power in your league? Does Bishop nation expect to be in a Pac 5 semi or Final any time soon? Is this years team going to go to playoffs? After Rio and Jaylen leave, is there anything coming up from the lower levels?

  • NotSince1995

    MTown,
    .
    Congratulations…! To you and all of your Cats Supporters. The BishopNation is what it is…a “Participant in the Pac 5″ that remains there becuase the Serra doesn’t have another Catholic school willing to take the beatings. .
    The BishopNation doesnt win. They cant win…! They keep FredJ Employed. But Servite has to beat up on somebody in that Division, dont they…? At the very least Mater Dei and Edison, LB Poly, OLu and Lakewood have a decent chance every year. But the BishopNation…Cmon man? Pra…Prac…Practice…?
    .
    Challenge the BishopNation to bet their HOUSE on it and all youll get the same blah, blah, blah that we always get this time of the year…for the last 17 years…(see JoeAmat, OldKillingMeSoftlyWithHisSong73, etc etc)!
    .
    You know the drill Excuse #1 “When you ask someone to rank teams based on last year, who’s returning and how teams teams performed against other great teams in the “past” (key word past – notice he doesn’t say 1982 – but then quickly turn around slam you for bringing up your victory against them), that’s the reason Amat usually starts No 1. It’s not a bias, they would be ranked ahead of other area teams in every other “outside” poll you read!” And this is from a Journalist…(I think?)! Can you say Absolutism…!
    .
    OR, the old You dont know what youre talking about. Do some research (they usually say this loudly and with lots of conviction to convince themselves of course), we are as good as the Trinity League. Then they jump up and down, yelling…We are…We are…We are…like the little girl demanding her dolly. Can you say Raider Fans? Hey but we use to be good (they say with that Lancerito pride)…!
    .
    When all else fails you can always count on the old stand-by we are better than your school (insert any school here), FredJ said so! CalPreps says so (see JoeAmat) and Maxpreps or the LA times said so too, and we play in a tougher Division and our league is the best. Then they jump up and down yelling…We are…We are…We are…like the little girl demanding her dolly. Can you say Mark Verti…?
    .
    The fact remains that for 17 Long Years Not Since 1995 the BishopNation has not won a CIF Championship (see rebuttal about how OLu and others that havent either usually from JoeAmat, jcaz, or OldPlatformShoes73 or some other old Lowenbrau drinking Lancerito).
    .
    The Fact is…Most of the kids playing for the BishopNation in 2011 werent even born in 1995. They have never seen a Champion in their lifetime or in this Century…! Dad (they question)…? Que Mijo(says Dad)? Whats a CIF Championship Ring they ask…? Then dad has to drive to the U-Haul storage and dig through his boxes of DuranDuran videos, his Nike Cortez shoes and his Madona Corset until he finally finds and pulls out his 1995 (or before) ring for the boy to see…! And that reminder just stabs the BishopNation right in the gut like a vato ice pick every time you remind them of that.
    .
    Not Since 1995…its like yelling OJ Simpson on the USC campus! Or Mark Verti at Amat…
    .
    It is also a fact that prior to 2009, the BishopNation was a below .500 team for over 10 years. Just like Millikan, Cabrillo, Jordan, San Clemente, Wilson and JSerra. Amat Bully, this is the part of the RESEARCH they dont want you to do!
    .
    Frankly, they were the Aliso Niguel of SGV…! They dont like to be reminded of that. Like USC, and the government, they like to pretend that Paul Hackett, OJ, Reggie Bush, Mark Verti, the Recession and the Losing Years never happened. They dont like to talk about THAT…!
    .
    It reminds them of when they had to send OldAndyGibbsFanClubPresident73 for rehab in 1999…!
    .
    The fact is that BishopNation should have been gone from the Pac 5 along time ago. They don’t belong here and they know it…! Theyre just hoping CIF doesnt notice them…
    .
    Not In 2011 Either…
    .
    All Football Facts, FredJ…Am I wrong?

  • NotSince1995

    .
    Same Thing All Over Again – here’s a little history and it looks very familiar to what these numb nuts have posted today:

    02/14/08
    AMAT 73 said:
    no gonads,
    Just what I thought, no spine. Well I guess case is closed, it is evident you have no pride or guts.
    Just stay in your mediocre world, getting off on your hate towards AMAT .Just think , if it wasn’t for AMAT just what would you be doing with all your free time. So really you should be thanking us for giving you something to live for and look forward to.

    February 14, 2008 4:48 PM

    Joe Amat said:
    OC Athletic Supporter,

    Since you seem to want to compare apples to oranges (pun intended) instead of SGV schools to SGV schools the lowly D5 Amat from the ‘hood took it to Orange Lutheran from the mighty Trinity League who beat Mater Dei, Santa Margarita, Servite, JSerra, and St John Bosco in league and Mission Viejo, Huntington Beach, Tesora, and Pacifica in non league action.

    And the last time our losing football team played your “mighty Monarchs” from Mater Dei, it was 28-7 lowly Lancers! That was the year the butterflies lost to Loyola in the CIF Finals who we defeated that year as well.

    When you do compare apples to apples, the last season that any SGV teams stepped up to play Amat, Charter Oak, Glendora, and Damien, left those contracts behind with their tail between their legs after a collective (sorry regulars) 96-16 drubbing. South Hills and Los Altos have been smart enough not to get in that line so people like yourself can continue to speculate instead of the truth being spelled out on the field.

    Is that flavor orange enough for you?

    February 14, 2008 4:45 PM

    Bleeds Blue and Gold said:
    Haters,

    Do you REALLY want us to drop down to your division? You KNOW what’s going to happen then right? Us cleaning up the field with YOUR players!

    Be careful what you wish for, it may come true.

    =================================================
    .
    The same crap every year. May as well be Fred’s post below or OldTatumOneal73.
    .
    Not In 2011 Either…No Ring For You…!
    .

  • great for the sgv

    1. Servite
    2. Concord De La Salle
    3. Mission Veijo
    4. Oaks Christian
    5. Santa Margarita
    6. BISHOP AMAT!!!!!!!

    Can’t wait for bishop to schedule these puffs ranked ahead of them and pummel them, then you lowly fish bowl dwellers will shut up!

    Beeshup Naechin!!

  • Cal prep Conspiracy

    Bishop you should cal preps and protest your number 6 ranking… They only did that so Servite can have a shot at a national Championship. This is clearly california football politics at work. Oceanside is The San Diego Div II section champ…so their ranking is Justified…The only team Bishop beat last year was Crespi.. so what justifies the high ranking…if servite is going to have a shot at a national title, they are going to have to stellar record. Ranking Bishop so high in preason allows servite to get 2 top ten wins early before going to play Bishop Gorman in a game with National implications, especially if both teams win state. Knowing that Bishop is going to lose that game to servite and Rio is gone for a few weeks maybe even the season, Cal preps and Maxpreps can hook servite and not hurt the integrity of the polls. I saw this a mile away…when I got the rankings today. At that point Bishop will have dropped out of the top 10, and things go back to normal. Then Alemany moves into the top 5 and Servite gets another top ten state win in the playoffs. This way when Servite Meets De La Salle in the State Bowl… The National title game will be on the line. Especially if De la Salle beat St Thomas Aquanis.

    Bishop they are using you!!!.. I would want to work my way up the rankings instead of working my way down….Now this is just a theory, but dam it makes sense to me since both the teams who beat Bishop Amat are ranked Lower…something to think about

  • LNCRBKR

    Jackass1995-What a waste of space and time. Same old rant no matter how you package it. Get a hobby Man.

  • Just The Facts Maam

    Monrovia beats Bishop Amat = FLUKE

    Covina beats West Covina = FLUKE

  • Shame on You!

    Flukes count. So whats your point?

    Covina has a better chance of beating West Covina

    than Bishop Amat does in Beating Servite at this particular point in time. And your in the same division. That game is a lock. I Have not heard one Amat fan Say that Bishop is going to win that game nor it even being Close…You all are holding your breath on that one! Better Say some hail Mary’s Because that size and speed is going to show you why Bishop should be in the inland Div II. Heck even Crespi and OLU have been in the show in the last ten years, and they moved up from Div 9. Soon Oaks Christian will be in the Pac winning titles. Stop pumping your chest and smaller schools, and go pick on someone your own size.

    Shame on you!

  • TEAM AMAT

    To mtown lives, and Observantcat,
    You are standing up for the Wildcats and I respect that but disagree with your assumption that because Monrovia has better athletes they can beat Bishop Amat. First of all, TEAMS win games. Otherwise Amat would have much less wins over the last 3 years. Second of all I could care less about the rankings. Third, let me correct this statement Mtown lives keeps making over and over. You said:
    Monrovia won the last meeting
    For the record . . . that is not true. Ive read this from you before and cant figure out why you say this or why no Amat people have corrected you. Bishop Amat faced Monrovia in 1980(W), 1981(L), and 1987(W).hence the 2-1 record you speak of. I just want to make it clear since you are all about facts and stats. I was there. The game wasnt even close. It was over when Monrovia fumbled the opening kickoff.
    You have both brought up some good points though (except for the BA-Workman comparison that was just stupid). Any TEAM can win on any given night. Just like when Monrovia beat Diamond Bar in 98. That was the most loaded DBar team ever. Diamond Bar won the Div2 title that year. That was a HUGE win for the Cats. Just thought Id mention . . . Akil Harris was from Duarte by the way.
    That brings me to my point. I have heard all these comparisons about who has better athletes and I agree, Monrovia has better athletes than Amat right now. I mean . . . MTown is where all the scouts are headed, right Ocat? BUT . . . how is that different than most of the programs Amat has defeated over the last 3 years? Its easy to say Amat has no Ellis McCarthy. You are right, they dont. Neither does any other team you play. BTW, I wish they had someone of his caliber. However, perspective is everything. Maybe you are used to looking at the teams across the sidelines from you and saying we got the best athletes around . . . just a guess. The Rio Hondo League (of today) has a way of making good teams feel better about themselves. I wonder how big and fast Amat would look in that league . . . . not that I would ever want to see that but just a thought. Have you ever looked across the sidelines and seen Dominguez? OLu? St. Bonnie? Crespi? ND? Alemany? Mater Dei? LB POLY? Lakewood? Do you even know what those athletes look like standing next to yours (in a real game, not 7on7)? Amat knows. Most of them are either bigger than the Lancers, more athletic or both. Amat plays hard and plays together (even when the teams were loaded back in the day). IF you were to ever beat the Lancers again it would NOT be because you have the edge in the amount of athletes. Football is a TEAM game and the best TEAM wins on that night. Since you like to bring up the past . . . in 1981 Monrovia didnt have the edge in athletes. Although they had some great ones, that was a very talented Amat team. Monrovia beat Amat that night because they had great athletes AND played together, with a chip on their shoulder from the beating they took the year before (they also had one of Amats former coaches from the prior year on their staff but that doesnt ever get mentioned).

  • Calprepper

    California Strength of Schedule Rankings (Calpreps 2011)
    1. Servite
    2. Mater Dei
    3. Mission Viejo
    4. Orange Lutheran
    5. Loyola
    6. St. John Bosco
    7. Santa Margarita
    8. Tesoro
    9. Concord De La Salle
    10. Crespi
    11. San Ramon Valley
    12. BISHOP AMAT*
    13. SO Notre Dame
    14. Trabuco Hills
    15. Agora
    16. Dana Hills
    17. Simi Valley
    18. JSerra
    19. Amador Valley
    20. Chaminade
    21. St. Frances*
    22. Oceanside
    23. Bellarmine
    24. Mitty
    25. Newbury Park
    26. Moorepark
    27. Calabasas
    28. Foothill
    29. Oaks Christian
    30. Royal
    31. St. Bonaventure
    32. Corona Santiago
    33. J.W. North
    34. Serra
    35. Monte Vista
    36. Westlake Village
    37. Granite Bay
    38. Chaparral
    39. Corona Cenennial
    40. St. Ignatius
    41. Paso Robles
    42. Valley Christian
    43. San Diego Lincoln
    44. Los Osos
    45. Norco
    46. Alemany
    47. Merced
    48. Riordan
    49. San Clemente
    50. Valencia

    Others:
    68. CHINO HILLS*
    82. CHARTER OAK*
    99. SOUTH HILLS*
    99. GLENDORA*
    105. CLAREMONT*
    162. DIAMOND RANCH*
    163. WEST COVINA*
    180. BONITA*
    208. LOS ALTOS*
    268. DIAMOND BAR*
    452. MUIR*
    468. COVINA*
    518. MONROVIA*

  • Calprepper

    California Strength of Schedule Rankings (Calpreps 2011)
    1. Servite
    2. Mater Dei
    3. Mission Viejo
    4. Orange Lutheran
    5. Loyola
    6. St. John Bosco
    7. Santa Margarita
    8. Tesoro
    9. Concord De La Salle
    10. Crespi
    11. San Ramon Valley
    12. BISHOP AMAT*
    13. SO Notre Dame
    14. Trabuco Hills
    15. Agora
    16. Dana Hills
    17. Simi Valley
    18. JSerra
    19. Amador Valley
    20. Chaminade
    21. St. Frances*
    22. Oceanside
    23. Bellarmine
    24. Mitty
    25. Newbury Park
    26. Moorepark
    27. Calabasas
    28. Foothill
    29. Oaks Christian
    30. Royal
    31. St. Bonaventure
    32. Corona Santiago
    33. J.W. North
    34. Serra
    35. Monte Vista
    36. Westlake Village
    37. Granite Bay
    38. Chaparral
    39. Corona Cenennial
    40. St. Ignatius
    41. Paso Robles
    42. Valley Christian
    43. San Diego Lincoln
    44. Los Osos
    45. Norco
    46. Alemany
    47. Merced
    48. Riordan
    49. San Clemente
    50. Valencia

    Others:
    68. CHINO HILLS*
    82. CHARTER OAK*
    99. SOUTH HILLS*
    99. GLENDORA*
    105. CLAREMONT*
    162. DIAMOND RANCH*
    163. WEST COVINA*
    180. BONITA*
    208. LOS ALTOS*
    268. DIAMOND BAR*
    452. MUIR*
    468. COVINA*
    518. MONROVIA*

  • Observantcat

    TEAM AMAT: You are right in one sense, Teams do win games and its usually the team that plays together and has a coach who can demand the most out of his or her players when it counts. As a Monrovia Fan I felt that the prior coaching staff didn’t make enough effort to control some of the factors that would cause players to by into the attitude of a team first mentality. This is a new era of football and Monrovia is beginning to bring back some of the swagger that got them to all of the Championship opportunities and this time I can see them winning with more consistency and in great fashion and moving on up the ladder as most great teams do i.e.. Canyon Country, Eisenhower, Serra, etc. Neither myself nor Mtown lives has ever mentioned that Monrovia should be ranked above BA at this time, I just think that in the future our personnel will lead by example in bringing home bigger hardware with the players and the teams that our coaching staffs will prepare for battled in the future. I am probably the most critical of what goes on over at Monrovia and I know what adjustments that need to be made in order to put the cats where I believe they could really fit in. From the looks of things to come I believe that Monrovia will be that special program that will have its opportunity to gain respect from all of its adversaries come Decembers. Only 1 Team in the history of the San Gabriel has ever achieved that measure of respect and that has been the Temple City Teams of the 70′s but since times have changed and the Demographics of the LA county has taken on a new face the San Gabriel valley teams are mostly mediocre at best. Not to many teams are able to truly reload and compete year in and year out and I believe that most of the Monrovia fans recognize this and are supporting their team to the end. My biggest concern about making comparisons without true factual competition is that it becomes very misleading and makes one wonder what would really happen if the best teams were to play year after year. I for one would love to see that happen just for the sake of great competition in the SGV. I dont believe too many teams can claim the lose of players like Monrovia and still manage to always be at the top of their league and go deep in the playoffs year after year regardless of their schedule. My gut always tells me that If Amat had our top five players on their teams year after year that Amat would be that dynasty that Fred and the Amat fans have always dreamed about but from the looks of things in the PAC 5 teams have all pretty much conformed to a formula that will always keep BA out of that playoff hunt. Right now establishing the discipline that teams need to become a dynasty is what Coach Maddox and his Staff are really all about. Keeping good players under control and getting the best out of the talents that are available in our town is the priority. I give Amat credit in an even greater way for the way they do win. Anat tends to play to the letter on how to give it their all even if a team seems to have an advantage whether it be size or just plain old athletic abilities. Teams that seem to beat them are teams that are more disciplined and more athletic which is where I see Monrovia heading in the near future. I’m sure Dan over at WC feels the same way and others who’s teams have a chance to prove Freddy wrong should feel the same.

  • Fred Robledo

    Observant, I have no doubt that as long as Monrovia is in the Mid-Valley Division, they will continue fighting for championships because athlete for athlete, nobody compares to Monrovia in the Mid-Valley Division and coach Maddox is doing a great job. The true test for any program is when they get bumped up. Can you sustain that magic in a more difficult league and playoff division. My hope is that Monrovia is in the Pacific League soon and playing Muir and Arcadia in league on a regular basis, and then competing in the Southeast for a while. If the Cats dominate the Southeast, then to me they belong to be mentioned with the top teams in the SGV that compete at the higher levels. Charter Oak and South Hills enjoyed the kind of success year in and year out that Monrovia enjoyed last year by playing in a lower division, but found that a bump up to the Sierra and Inland was a reality check. I would love to watch Charter Oak or South Hills compete for the Sierra and go on a deep Inland run, but it’s tough. There are never any easy games, and most times they’re overmatched. Some feel the Inland’s best compare to the Pac-5′s best. Inland first-round playoff teams are good enough to win Mid-Valley titles, that’s the difference. To be honest, I do not like South Hills and Charter Oak in the Inland Division, those teams in the Inland have much larger schools and a huge edge in demographics, it’s not a level playing field. I’m not hating, just trying to explain. Monrovia is in that first stage of attempting to become a power, it’s a long process and takes years. But I do think they have the athletes, and along with West Covina, those are two schools that have an advantage over most in the SGV because of demographics, say compared to what’s happening at Temple City, South Pasadena, Los Altos or Wilson, etc. What Maggiore and Maddox have done is keep the great ones from leaving school, and they coach them up. That more than anything, has got their programs rolling. I agree, skies the limit, but the next phase is Monrovia doing what West Covina has done, schedule some Pac-5 powers and see where you’re at. West Covina has done it with Mater Dei, Bishop Amat and now Loyola. They haven’t won one yet, but my guess is their day is coming. That’s Monrovia’s next step. If they had a Loyola, Bishop Amat, Upland or something of that caliber on the schedule, then we would have something to measure them with. But for now, all we have to truly measure Monrovia are big games against South Hills and Glendora. So forgive if I’m not that giddy for Monrovia yet, I’m just keeping it in perspective, the same way I kept San Dimas’ championship over Monrovia in 2009 in perspective.

    Finally, what I would really love to see is South Hills, Charter Oak and Glendora in the Southeast with West Covina, Bonita, Monrovia, Los Altos, Muir, Pasadena and Arcadia. Those schools all belong to be in the same playoff division. They can schedule whatever big nonleague games they like, but I would love to see the best of the SGV public schools all in the same playoff division, now that would make for some interesting blogging. Just like South Hills, Charter Oak and Glendora don’t belong in the Inland, Monrovia doesn’t belong in the Mid-Valley. Let’s get them all together and play it off. Can we agree on that?

  • chicken little

    NotSince – still, no balls http://is.gd/QXu9GB

  • AMAT 73

    notsince2010,
    Wow I am impressed we mean so much to you that you have posts from 2008 at your hands. Do you print all these out and keep a note book with writings of AMAT posters. If so I hope it is Blue with Gold trim. If you read my post from 2008 it does make sense about your life and how if it were not for AMAT you really wouldn’t have anything to live for . You’re welcome.

  • Mtown lives

    Fredj You are correct Monrovia does belong in the Southeast. You got it right there.

  • No Sense

    NotSince1995 – you make no sense. You say “At the very least Mater Dei and Edison, LB Poly, OLu and Lakewood have a decent chance every year” but Lakewood has never won a championship, Edison hasn’t won a championship game since 1980, Amat has recently beat Olu and Mater Dei, and almost knocked off LB Poly when they were the #1 team in the nation. And you write “Servite has to beat up on somebody in that Division” – but they went 25 years between championships.
    I don’t see your logic – explain for us how Amat is held to a different standard than Servite, Edison , and Lakewood?

  • great for the sgv

    No Sense said:
    I don’t see your logic – explain for us how Amat is held to a different standard than Servite, Edison , and Lakewood?

    bishop people have placed themselves over everybody and anybody, read their posts. What they don’t realize is that they’re not, and that’s ok because we laugh at their expense. Now if they had never lost to a “fish bowl” team, they could at least claim their self annointed dominance of the sgv. No one can have a decent discussion about sgv sports, within three replies the bishop whiners come and wonder why they’re not #1 or why they’re not the topic of the thread. So we just have to remind them of the truth.
    How does it feel to be king of the fish bolw anyway?

  • AMAT 73

    great for the sgv,
    Are you a protege of notsince2010. Now you are adding your little racial twists to your posts. Just answer the question you’ve been dodging .

  • LNCR BKR

    I’ll answer you…

    IT”S GOOD TO BE THE KING!!!!!!

    GO AMAT! GO LANCERS!

  • AMAT 73

    great for the sgv,
    When have you ever part of a decent conversation on the subject of football. You mostly follow in the footsteps of your mentor and idol notsince2010 . It seems as though your comprehension skills are lacking also . The issue is more with the Monrovia bloggers feeling slighted by Fred J instead of AMAT being # 1 who by the way is # 2 in the poll of which this thread is about. Have you seen anyone of crying about that . No, but as always you seem to throw facts out the window much like your mentor in your pursuit of knocking AMAT . The only thing you know is you hate AMAT because by your writings you don’t know much else when it comes to football. Now answer the question because as the saying goes , we know not from where you speak , other then the obvious place that shows in your postings on the blog.

  • great for the sgv

    correction for you.other then(should be”than”) the obvious place that shows in your postings on the blog.

    AMAT 73 said:
    great for the sgv,
    Are you a protege of notsince2010. Now you are adding your little racial twists to your posts. Just answer the question you’ve been dodging .

    “Racial twists”, more of your inventions. That is unless you consider beechop nashion a race.

    You want an explantion? read your posts! that will explain where YOU have placed bishop above everyone else and converted me to bishop fan.

  • jcaz

    Not since 95,

    Wow dude, to go all the way back to 08 !

    Man, you got a lot of time on your hands don’t you ?

    Yikes !

  • great for the sgv

    AMAT 73 said:
    I think the argument here is out of whack . AMAT really has no place here and it’s not for the reason many haters would jump on me for being of the thinking that AMAT is too or we play in the top division or being arrogant. Could Monrovia beat AMAT , sure they could on any given Friday but what would that really prove…..

    July 18, 2011 8:05 PM

    Instead of keeping it about Monrovia you had to throw in your bishop dominance and how Monrovia wouldn’t stand a chance against bishop. So you were saying….

  • AMAT 73

    great for ,
    You will now be known as the artful dodger . I did knock you on your spelling of fish bolw instead of bowl so it’s a push. And for your info you wrote beeshup naechin, but like I wrote about you throwing facts out the window , you just proved that point and you know what you meant .Why not write bishop nation as you always do . Don’t try to back out of it now . Also any true fan never refers to us as bishop it’s always AMAT OR BISHOP AMAT and never use the nation term . Keep trying fool.

  • Dan

    Simplicity, your quote;
    “Fair enough, Aram, but Jeffries did not play defense and Upland dropped 41 points on Glendora in comparison to Monrovia’s 7. That’s a huge point difference regardless of who was the QB.”
    I disagree,
    Jefferies made a huge difference on points scored against his team despite the fact he does not play on the defensive side of the ball. He may have been Glendora’s best defense just by the fact that he kept the other teams offense off the field. With his precision passing, plus his running and scrambling ability, he was able to sustain drives and score points that his team couldn’t score without him. He kept Glendora in games. Just by Him running the offense, would have made a huge difference vs Upland and the rest of the Baseline games.
    With Jefferies in the game Glendora most likely gets a couple more scoring drives, which in turn means Upland has the ball for two less of their scoring drives, if you add two scores for Glendora and take away two scoring opportunities from Upland, that alone could have changed a 41 to 14 Upland victory into a close game decide by a field goal or missed extra point. When you say Glendora allowed 27+ points a game on defense, maybe a more realistic breakdown would have been defensive points allowed in the 5 games before Jefferies got hurt (17.8) and defensive points allowed in the 5 games after Jefferies got hurt(34.4). Just that stat alone tells me the huge impact Jefferies had in his games.
    I’ve seen the Loyola crushing Upland and Upland crushing Glendora comparative scoring used on here many times, Then in turn that will be taken to the extreme logical conclusion that the last place Serra team was that much better than the top Baseline teams. Its one of the poorest examples of comparative scoring that I can remember on here, it tells me that whoever uses it has no idea of the circumstances of those games. For one, just like the Glendora situation with Jefferies getting hurt, Loyola did not have their quarterback, (Neuheisel) for Serra league play. Loyola was not nearly as good in league as they were in preseason. Nick Cotton was thrown into the lions den and tried his best, but it was a much different Loyola team without Neuheisel, very one dimensional.
    Also when looking at the Upland vs Loyola comparison, and I think blogger Norco can verify this, I believe Upland was missing 6 or 7 starters or starting positions for the Loyola game.
    So all these hints of the Serra last place teams being that much better than the Top Baseline teams, therefore the the rest of the Serra must be miles ahead of the Baseline are ridiculuos. Both the Serra and the Baseline are very good leagues, the top 4 teams in the Baseline would be competitive with the Serra teams year in and year out, I would give a slight edge to the Serra, but I believe recent history has shown the Baseline teams could win in the Serra.
    One has to consider if teams were at full strength when doing comparative scores, even then, we don’t have a solid theory, there could be a position mismatch with a team that beat your team that you didn’t have with another team that beat the team that beat your team, and you end up beating the team that beat the team that beat your team [Huhh!!!] Or maybe the coaches come up with a great game plan that neutralizes a more talented teams strength for a particular night, and then the next week they come up with a game plan that misfires and they lose the game, that happens to even good staffs. At times we may get a good clue with comparative scoring yet at other times, comparative scores could send us on a bum steer.

  • AMAT 73

    great for,
    Ok so you take something I wrote and twist it to your angle. You also forgot to mention that O’Cat and Mtown, 2 of the main bloggers from Monrovia agreed with thoughts that were in my post . As I said you throw facts out the window when it comes to AMAT . You better buy a new shovel as the hole your digging keeps getting deeper and you’re wearing the blade out on the one you have. I know it’s hard for you to think when you see AMAT in a post but next time try reading thru the whole post before you get all twisted with your hate. I am really beginning to think you are related to notsince2010 as you quote our posts just like him and leave out the important parts. Now make sure the binder you are keeping our posts in is blue and gold just like your mentors . Maybe you should be called notsince2010jr instead of the artful dodger.

  • progress

    There is a certain Cockiness that comes along with Being Bishop Amat, and Rightfully So. BA does have a excellent Record against SGV opponents and southern sections opponents. Several Cif Titles, and plays the toughest competition. There is nothing wrong with that. However, what we are seeing is a shift in “consciousness” in the Mindsets of the surrounding great Sgv programs building at the moment. There is nothing wrong with that. We are Starting to see schools, like West Covina, Chino Hills, Charter Oak, and Monrovia refine their “programs”. In order to dethrone A Power House such as Bishop Amat, Coaches, Players, and Fans have to visualize it first. We are starting to see this manifest right before our eyes. Even some of colorful bloggers like “Not since 1995″, are bringing this attitude to the so called “small” guy in this Fish bowl. Once teams start to think they can beat bishop, and begin to train like they can beat bishop, and keep their talent, you may very well see teams step up and challenge Bishop on the field. Now, we have Seen Charter Oak, South Hills, and Glendora step up to the Inland. We are going to see Monrovia move up to the Southeast, and If West Covina can win back to back, you may see them move up as well. Especially since they landed Noodles, for the next four years. Once these teams settle into tougher competition, they will have confidence and big game experience to Play Bishop yearly. We must be honest. Bishop Has not improved of the last 17 year since the last title. As these smaller schools slowly improve, and Bishop does not improve, you may see them lose this stronghold they have had on the SGV. I am talking about in the next 5 years to be specific. Bishop is not Big and does not have the best talent in the SGV. They do have talent don’t get me wrong, But They count on being more fundamentally sound, and in better condition, to wear you down and “excute” on level that most schools in the SGV don’t. Make not mistake, this is slow process, but it is happening. The only Thing left for bishop to do is win the Pac 5 title. If they do that, then you will see them get a recharge in that program. Last year was a let down, and this year is questionable. I know people rep Bishop Amat when they talk football outside the SGV. That’s all we have for now…but a 14-0 Monrovia state bowl appearance would be great for the sgv, and maybe even west co..Bottom line programs are moving closer to Bishop, more than Bishop is moving away from them. i commend these smaller schools for stepping up and saying they want a piece of the pie too…Go Get yours, lets have 2-3 National Programs in the SGV…I know we have the talent.

  • FredJ

    Progress, you hit the nail on the head, great post.

  • Are you for real?

    observantcat said;
    “From the looks of things to come I believe that Monrovia will be that special program that will have its opportunity to gain respect from all of its adversaries come Decembers. Only 1 Team in the history of the San Gabriel has ever achieved that measure of respect and that has been the Temple City Teams of the 70′s”

    get real,temple city had a good program in the 70′s, but not one of those 7 championships came in the top division. in fact, most of those championships came in the 3rd level of a 4 level cifss. during that time los altos was winning 3 top level championships, amat was winning 2 top level championships and south hills was winning 1 top level championship. temple city can’t even be in the conversation when compared to these 3 programs in the 70′s. now for monrovia, monrovia could win the mid valley the next 30 years straight and will still be nothing more then a footnote as far as the history of the best football programs in the sgvn is concerned. to be a great football program, you not only need to play the best football teams, but you must beat the best football teams. instead of constantly bloging on this site about how great monrovia is, take the time to blast an email to your a.d. asking him to try to schedule a top inland team like: cc, norco, upland, vista murrieta, or a top northern team like: oaks christian, st. bonnies, westlake village or a pac-5 playoff team like: poly, allemany, servite, or any one of the other 13 playoff teams. until that happens, monrovia is nothing more the the biggest kid on the kindergarten play ground.

  • great for the sgv

    He most certainly did. Great post progress!

  • reality

    I find it interesting that teams like Monrovia and WC and their bloggers are getting all the coverage when Bonita who is now not even a after thought lost the championship because of two misplays in the last minute. If one of those don’t happen you are subbing Bonita’s name instead of WC. Bonita started last year with zero ranking as they almost always do and that is how I believe their coaches like it. Monrovia, Amat, WC. be careful of all your braggadocio because you still have to play the game. And under the radar teams like Bonita show up every year and often bite you in the. Just ask Muir. Off time is for bragging, game time is for real.

  • progress

    The whole point, of my post was to encourage programs to be proud of what they have accomplished and build. Bonita Lost to a great program over at west co. That’s nothing to be ashamed of or mad about. The SGV programs are not taking Bonita lightly. I would not. Don’t down play another teams success. Monrovia ate crap for 20 years, why can’t they flex their paws after a title. West Co has won a few titles in this decade, have they not earned the praise? If Bonita wants the praise…win the southeast and we will give it you. The cliche “no one remembers second place” is true. It’s a “free blog”, don’t be sour. If you want to talk about bonita talk about bonita, but there is no need to hate on muir…which by the way is a historically nationally known school with a richer tradition than bonita. They are having some down years, but their are a few adjustments away from being right in the hunt again. No one was downing Bonita when lower division San Dimas was beating you. Don’t put yourself out there like that….you are acting like West Covina’s “Step child” right now. I know true bonita fans are not crying about last year.

  • Dan

    Reality, Your quote;
    “Bonita who is now not even a after thought lost the championship because of two misplays in the last minute. If one of those don’t happen you are subbing Bonita’s name instead of WC”
    “Monrovia, Amat, WC. be careful of all your braggadocio because you still have to play the game. And under the radar teams like Bonita show up every year and often bite you in the. Just ask Muir. Off time is for bragging, game time is for real.”
    With the exception of Bulldog1 who hasn’t been around much lately and who I think was an imposter and not a genuine Bulldog fan, if you look over the blog I don’t think you’ll see very many any WC bloggers on here with a lot of Bragadoccio. You’ll probably find more Bragadoccio in the post you just made. Now As for your comment on the game, we could say the same thing about the third quarter kickoff blunders WC had. Without those WC is possibly up by 2 or 3 scores at the end and would not have needed their game saving drive in the last minute. Those turnovers kept our offense off the field for pretty much the entire 3rd quarter, and from what I recall, Bonita wasn’t stopping our offense very much when we did have the ball. I give credit to your offense though for cashing in on those three turnovers, but you saw how hard it was to make touchdowns out of those turnovers once you got into our redzone, only 9 points for Bonita in the 3 trips to the redzone in that third quarter. WC tightened up like that most of the year when teams got close.
    I think I just bragged a little, or maybe am I just stating the facts?

  • Norco

    Fred cut with the crying about CH and SH being in the Inland….Norco is the smallest school in the BIGVIII @ 2187 students…and they compete just fine year in and year out…South Hills has 2069 students and Charter Oak has 2187 students…I`ve attached the links…funny thing is both these schools are known for “recruiting”…so please stop complaining..

    http://www.calpreps.com/2010/9_Big_VIII.htm

    http://www.calpreps.com/2011/9_Sierra.htm

  • Bulldog1

    Reality, Your quote;
    “Bonita who is now not even an after thought lost the championship because of two misplays in the last minute. If one of those doesnt happen you are subbing Bonita’s name instead of WC” is a joke! Dan, the kittens never bit the Bulldog, if I remember correctly, we broke your hearts twice last year! At best the kittens will finish an embarrassing 3rd. until then Bulldog nation stands as the undisputed King!
    Remember, we win with class and humility always, and after this season I have a real feeling we will have more Kiss the Ring ceremonies like last season.
    To be the King, you must beat and de-throne the King.
    Bulldog Fever.

  • Aaron

    Funny how much can be missed in a month…Bonita and so many other programs have gone to the dead period.

  • just wondering

    The schools with good programs in place, good coaches and a constant talent pool will Roll! I am wonder if bonita has a great talent Pool ?

  • AMAT 73

    WC Dan,
    You had to go and kick the dog . He was doing fine just sleeping there but oh well what’s done is done. A question for you. With all the talk on the local teams on the rise and possibly moving up in divisions what is your take on the WC vs Loyola game. Regardless of thinking by some they are still a very strong team . Do you feel it’s a must win game or play them tough and by that I mean in the game until the final gun for WC to really be considered legitimate outside the Southeast which is virtually the SGV because in the SGV they are defintely a top team in my book although the loss to Covina puts some doubt on that to some . It would be nice to have the Loyola win on WC’s resume don’t you think. Like Will Sonnett used to say “No brag , just fact” which is what you just wrote , the facts.

  • Basic

    Progress…

    Man that was one of the best post ever, you pretty much said what most think or try to say on here but in a clear way, thanks.

    Now as far as the Bearcats, I think last year’s squad was probably the most athletically talented squad however the loss of C.H. in the 3rd week, I still think is the piece that kept them from winning it all (IMO a very gifted kid). Now as for continuing a “Tradition” I think that will be difficult for a variety of reasons, the main one being the lack of a Strong Will and by that I mean that Bonita as whole does not devote 100% of its resources to sports (which btw is ok with me) and IMO in order to obtain that Amat type of tradition, you really need to devote 100%…

    Just my opinion…

  • Aaron

    Did he really just say that?

  • AMAT 73

    Aaron,
    Welcome back , haven’t seen your name on here for some time. You have missed a lot and it had been very quiet out Bonita way . Catch up on some reading and gives us your take from a Bonita honk’s view. And I meant that honk term in a good way .

  • Aaron

    The Hacienda is WesCo’s league to win, they do need to find a guy that can make a contribution at QB but they have the rest of the pieces to make it easy for whoever that may end up being.

    Diamond Bar has been making some noise…but it may just be noise as they got torn apart upfront on both sides last year. Omana is a stud though.

    All my info is based off of what I have had a chance to read since I got back to a computer and La Verne for that matter.

    Bonita has to rebuild an offensive line…which seems to happen almost every year, however the pieces they are putting together have experience as many of the guys that were the number ones were out with injuries at times.

    Either way Bonita was going to have a young quarterback as far as Friday Night Lights is concerned. I’m pretty sure the guy is Tanner Diebold, from what I was told he shined at the Ayala tournament. With Austin Venegas and Garrett Horine to throw to…as well as Ryan Ramirez he’ll Diebold will have plenty of targets to pass to. Reggie Turner as long as he remains grounded and puts in 110%, can be a very special back this year and then dominate when he becomes a senior…also there is senior Cameron Griffin also in the backfield who can do some nasty things.

    Defensively…not as heralded as it has been, yet with Horine and Pichotta back as the two big names there are plenty of guys that also saw a lot of reps last season. Balentine, Turner and Griffin are tough kids on the defensive side of the ball. Funny how a lot of the names haven’t changed as there are still Horines, Salces, and Brungards (just a few, as there are more) on this squad. Bearcat Football must be a family thing. Also the best kicker in the Valley Brandt Davis will be a junior.

  • NotSince1995

    .
    OldWelcomeBackCarter73
    .
    Which part of the FACTS about the BishopNation didn’t you like:
    - Not winning a CIF Championship Ring Since 1995?
    - Servite is gonna Smoke you this year…?
    - That your DL & Ol are too small to compete this year?
    - WonderBoy Rio is gone?
    .
    Which one HURTS the most?
    .
    Remember…Its green side up! The brown side is dirt. Ahh, but you guys are experts and already know that. Right…?

  • Notsince1995.5

    Amat sucks, hee, hee, hee
    Ah, let’s see? Oh, Amat hasn’t won since 1995. Hee, Hee, Hee. Ok, what else, ah, oh, servite is gonna beat you guys, tee, hee, hee…
    You are a Joke Dude…Get a fresh take. PLEASE!!!

  • NotSince1995

    .
    Hey Notsince1995.5 – (aka: OldVickiLawrence73!)
    .
    I got your fresh take right here…
    .
    SERVITE is gonna kick your A$$ on September 9th…
    .
    Cerritos College is a long way to go to get your A$$ kicked, BishopNation…! Isn’t that near LAKEWOOD…!
    .
    Not In 2011 Either…

  • really?

    Lakewood? They must really suck. They’ve NEVER even won a ring. And I think Amat has split last two games vs both Lakewood and Servite. And Servite sucked for 25 years

  • Dan

    Amat 73,
    Hah Haah, yeah he’s awake, sorry.
    Your right about Loyola, they’ve had a few rough seasons lately but like your Lancers they have lots of football tradition and they know about being in big games week in and week out.
    I’ve seen them a couple of times over the summer
    and when everybody shows up for them, they have the looks of a very good Pac 5 team when you look at the size and speed of their skill positions and back 7 on defense. They took a very impressive Long Beach Poly team into overtime at the Dana Hills tournament. Long Beach Poly won both the Dana Hills tourney and the Edison Battle at the beach tournament this summer. I also believe Poly won one of the Santa Clarita tournaments. For those who saw Loyola at the Bonita tournament and came away less than impressed, don’t be fooled, that was not the same Loyola team that was at Dana Hills they were missing a few studs.
    A win over the Cubs would put a lot more meaning to a successful season in the South East division for West Covina. It would make a playoff run or even a championship run in the Southeast that much more legitimate. It doesn’t necessarily have to be a win cause even a close loss, say within a field goal or even a touchdown would speak volumes about what kind of progress they are making over here at West Covina. There was a year when La Habra came within 4 points to Los Alamitos, I believe it was in 2002, that was La Habra’s only loss that year, and that year both La Habra and Los Alamitos went on to win CIF titles, Los Al beating Mater Dei 41 to 14 in the “D”1 title game, and La Habra beating Pacifica in the “D” 9 title game. Even though La Habra had won in a much lower division that close loss to the D1 champions sure looked good on their resume.

  • Not Since 1995′s Mom

    I feel that I must come here and apologize for some of the remarks that my son has made here on this forum. I had no idea he was on his computer here instead of doing his homework as he should have been.

    I also ask for a bit of understanding.

    When he was 5 he had the Christmas tree fall on him. That was the year we went with a strictly blue and gold color scheme for the tree. He has been traumatized ever since.

    Pay him no mind and if he starts to get a little over the top again, just jingle your car keys. He likes shiny objects and it seems to help sooth him.

    Take care!

  • NotSince1995

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    Hey Mom – (aka WhoopiGoldberg73)
    .
    Mark Verti has writen on the Servite page that Servite is gonna kick your A$$…
    .
    Your beloved Amat Football Coach M.A.R.K. V.E.R.T.I…member him…? Read’em and weap, old man…! LMAO!
    .
    http://www.servitehs.org/athletics/football/
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    Not IN 2011 Either…
    .

  • just sayin

    Nonsense95 – thanks for that Servite link. Pointed out what I thought in bold. they went from 1983 to 2009 with NO championships. They must have sucked. And they weren’t even “participants” that whole time – because they dropped down to the Sunset then the Golden West. I also noticed a 2-8 record in 1990 and again as recent as 2004 with some 4-6′s in between with 8 years of NO playoffs and 2 first round exits. I wonder of they had some @$$hole post NotSince1983 5 times a day on the OC blogs. Probably not – the OC fans are smarter than that

  • verti?

    didn’t find that Verti post on the link.

    and not so beloved – was he?

  • AMAT 73

    verti?
    Yes the genius notsince2010 is now hanging on Verti’s take on football at AMAT . Just goes to show smart he is . That’s one of the reasons many were calling for a change when he was coaching the team.

  • Bishop May be too small to win Pac 5

    Notsince1995…I must say, you know some things….Alemany has a big physical line this year. I think you could be right about bishop being too small.

    Bishop Fans, not to be rude, but do you think your size up front has something to do with the down years? I say this because, Bishop does execute, play hard, and never gives up. However when you play against the top schools in the Pac 5 Size does come into play. De La Salle is small too, but there lineman are buff…If you are going to be small, you must be buff. I did not see too many Bishop players buff, like the servite and de la salle players…I think you all must recruit some bigger kids to get a ring in the future.

  • Sherlock

    I wonder how Frank Corona is enjoying his new identity as NotSince1995? Busted!

  • NotSince1995

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    OldMrs.Roper73
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    You don’t seem to understand the power of Sarcasm…Ignorance and Arrogance makes you blind…
    .
    What VERTI said is true…”You are too small on the DL & OL to compete with Servite!” Read’em and…ahh, you know the rest!
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    I predict: Servite 35 – BishopNation 3…That’s right…!
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    Not In 2011 Either…
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  • chicken little

    Funny seeing NotSince try to play dodgeball – without any balls. Not answering certain post is answer- isn’t it 95?

  • Dr. Watson

    The birth of Nonsence1995…

    First he was “Amat is no more”

    Next “disgrace”

    Then “Amat Nation”

    And “Bill”

    Seems he has almost as many aliases than his girlfriend has chins…

    http://www.insidesocal.com/tribpreps/2008/01/breaking-news-b-2.html

  • NotSince1995

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    ***BishopNation – Breaking News***
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    The Job Posting for Hags didn’t require him to Win a CIF Champhipship. So his job is safe as long as they “participate.”
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    *************Read’em and Weap*************
    .
    Bishop Amat High School invites applications for the position of Head Football Coach.
    Bishop Amat is a Catholic co-educational institution of 1,500 students, located in La Puente, California and participates in Division I Football as a member of the Serra League.
    The Head Football Coach is responsible for leading all facets of a Division I program. Of particular importance are the proven ability to communicate effectively with student-athletes, parents, little chicken (aka Mrs. Roper73), staff, faculty, alumni, administrators, and media; the proven ability to organize and implement a successful and competitive football program; the proven ability to inspire achievement and leadership among student-athletes and staff; and a commitment to adhere to the regulations, philosophies, and educational mission of Bishop Amat, the Serra League, and the California Interscholastic Federation (CIF-SS).
    A bachelors degree is required (masters preferred or teaching credential) with successful coaching experience. Teaching as a member of the faculty is expected. Pollito is a shemale. Salary is commensurate with education and experience.
    Send cover letter, resume, to: Department of Athletics, Attention: Mr. Mike Manzo, Bishop Amat High School, 14301 Fairgrove Ave, La Puente, California.
    .
    .
    That’s it…? Really…?
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    Where’s the Must WIN part…?
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    Not IN 2011 Either BishopNation…
    .

  • Ben Stiller

    Still dodging Frank?

  • OBvious

    fred get off amats balls. Youre shuch a push over CO would destroy them any day why do you think they decline CO whenever they ask to play? Idiot

  • just sayin’

    OBvious – Amat swept ChOak in their last 2 year contact and the ChOak AD (former Amat BB coach, asked out of the contract) go ask someone. ChOak would get stomped. Period.

  • Just The Facts Maam

    Charter Oak will be 3-7 this season.
    Will NOT make the play-offs.
    *and*
    Big Lou will retire and turn the reins over to his son.

    Remember this post at the end of the season.

  • AMAT 73

    notsince2010,
    If AMAT is so worthless and just a PAC-5 participant who has no chance of winning a PAC-5 title then why and the hell do you waste so much of your time beating a dead horse so to speak. It seems to me that you should move on to something better to spend your time on such as how is CO going to win the Inland or Sierra title.Since they are your true team of choice. Give us your insight on that . We know your feelings on AMAT as you have made them perfectly clear but why after so many years of the same crap do you continue. And believe me I only post under AMAT 73 so don’t flatter yourself into thinking I am chasing you under alias’. No need to chase the village idiot as makes a fool of himself everyday in the village square.

  • merlo

    AMAT 73 said:
    notsince2010,
    blah, blah blah….
    No need to chase the village idiot as makes a fool of himself everyday in the village square.
    (as makes a fool of himself?)

    Unless your name is…….. amat73
    That was by far the funniest post you have ever made. Who else would chase a so called idiot village, a real idiot of course!
    By the way, you really sound like the biggest whiner in LA CO. Frank McCourt has nothin on you!

  • AMAT 73

    merlo,
    It was in reply to him insinuating that I post under various alias’ . But I am glad I brought laughter to your life today . Now have another glass , this time try some Pinot .

  • merlo

    I will raise my pinot to your thunder bird and wish upon you a great day chevy chase.

  • Colt74

    Amat73 and NotSince1995 were in a bar, and they were both watching the television when the news came on. It showed a guy on a bridge who was about to jump, obviously suicidal. “I’ll bet you $10 he’ll jump,” said Amat73. “Bet you $10 he won’t,” said NotSince1995.

    Then, the guy on the television closed his eyes and threw himself off the bridge. NotSince1995 hands Amat73 the money.

    “I can’t take your money,” said Amat73. “I cheated you. The same story was on the five o’clock news.” “No, no. Take it,” said NotSince1995. “I saw the five o’clock news too. I just didn’t think the guy was dumb enough to jump again!”

  • AMAT 73

    Colt74,
    Nice one. Looks like my pal Jcaz is in for some competition this season on the joke front.
    merlot,
    More like 3 fingers of Jack , But cheers to you. I thought Ford stopped making Thunderbirds.

  • mike lawry

    Heard the P-Town hype. I thought it was all B.S. So I went to Ayala Thursday. Uhh oooh, Valley Vista League be very aware. P-Town’s Fast,Strong,Big,Fast, oh did I say that already. And last year’s Back up QB from Wilson, was passing at will. I can easily see 2500 in the air this year. Did I mention how fast they are? They walked all over Ayala and Don Lugo. It took Ayala 5 plays from the goal line to get their only score on P-Town. Did I mention how fast they were? Oh yeah I almost forgot, the QB wasn’t asked to hold back on the velocity of his passes so his receivers wouldn’t drop the ball, like the previous year as back up at W. 2500 yards haters.

  • chino guy

    does anyone know how chino did in the los osos lineman comp?

  • Colt74

    P-Diddy,
    You mean 4-6 Ayala and 3-7 Don Lugo? Combined 7-13? With a COMBINED rating of 5.4? Wow….take a bow.

    2500 in the air?
    2500 what in the air?
    2500 3 headed dragons?
    2500 Mosquitoes with the heads of Frank Sinatra?

    I’m sure you are seeing 2500 of something but the effects should wear off in about 8 hours.

    Are you talking about YARDS?

    And just so you know intercepted yards ran back don’t count FOR the QB.

    Not even 2500 yards if he was standing on the edge of the Grand Canyon and throwing to someone on the bottom.

    Just say NO to drugs…….

  • great for the sgv

    Now isn’t that cute, coltboy74 coming to help out bishop73 with a joke. I can picture ol lancer boy riding the old colt down puente. come on coltboy think of a better joke than that, by the way that’s an old blonde joke! But we understand by your need to be accepted bishop.

  • Pomona

    Colt74,

    You want to do your numbers games, let me give you a few more teams that Pomona played.

    West Covina (13-1 CIF Champs) – won

    Chino (11-1 lost in the quarter) – won

    Chino Hills (10-3 lost in the semi) – played twice won one and lost one.

    Corona Cent. (14-1 lost in the state championship) – played twice won one lost one.

    Now come back with those numbers little man.

  • Colt74

    great for the sgv

    I figured even though we had you, notsince, and P-Diddy we could still use more jokes.

    And P-Diddy,
    Little man? Oh you mean the Pomona QB!
    I heard you had to get a midget center so he could see over him. Or couldn’t you just took off your high heels and loaned them to him? I figured you were a woman…was I right? Even if you are not you can still be my biotch.

    Stew on that for a while schmuck…..

  • Colt74

    great for the sgv

    I figured even though we had you, notsince, and P-Diddy we could still use more jokes.

    And P-Diddy,
    Little man? Oh you mean the Pomona QB!
    I heard you had to get a midget center so he could see over him. Or couldn’t you just took off your high heels and loaned them to him? I figured you were a woman…was I right? Even if you are not you can still be my biotch.

    Stew on that for a while schmuck…..

  • Weak

    Colt74,

    Not only was that weak but stupid. The Pomona qb is at least 6 foot tall and you are making short jokes.

    You threw the numbers out there, and they through them right back in your face.

  • General Turgidson

    I am not a blind Amat supporter. I try to be objective and I call it like I see it. That said, like all of us in the SGV (even those of us who will not admit it) we all take pride in Amat. Without Amat, i dont care how many CO’s and WC’s and Bonita’s you pile in here… this place is off of the map. Someone somewhere in the middle of the comments spoke about Bishop losing its grip on the SGV. I must say, I am fearful of this happening. I think its starting to happen. SGV football will suffer greatly if Bishop Amat fails to rekindle its fire soon.

    Haggerty brought small school style football to Amat. Quick snaps, shifts, gimmicky play… not football we have come to associate with the program. Proven coach? yes. Organized? yes. But there is a toughness… a rawness… a Pete Carrol USC type willingness to play straight up power football that has been missing here. Its small school football. Now I am not a fan of vague abstractions like “toughness.” Usually, people who know nothing about football talk about these “intangibles” because thats all they can talk about. However, in this case I must say that there is an intangible characterstic that Amat had even in the DiFiori years… and its missing now.

    Amat looks organized, fundamentally sound, pristine, crisp… and we’re finding out thats not all it takes to get the job done.

    I don’t know how you even begin to fix this problem. I think you start by having more corey minor’s and other great players in the program. Lets be honest here… you can’t hang your program on a kid who’s priority is clearly not football… this is f——g bishop amat soldier! You’re playing Max Witteck… f—–g Harry Welch! You just can’t survive like that. The last great completely dominating player to come out of amat was cornell and with Robles at qb and a similar team surrounding him, well… what are you going to do?

    Haggerty’s teams have had all of the supporting cast, the discipline, the plan… but they don’t have that break out corey minor player. Im not talking about the “brave little mexican that could”… Im talking about a game breaking Alabama, USC, Wisconsin type kid. We’ve seen great athletes come out of Amat as of late. We havent seen a great football player in some time. Perhaps with that type of kid the whole thing would be more inspiring and what i percieve as missing “toughness” is really just the lack of a completely dominating player. Hard to say.

    As much as I hate to even come close to agreeing with trash like “notsince1995″ I have to say that there hasn’t been a team that mean and inspired anywhere in the valley since then: 1995. Some have come close – and thats ok! But there needs to be those ’95 teams at least every 5 or 6 years at amat. There have recently been teams like that at Mater Dei, Servite, Edison, Los AL…

    Why is Amat in danger of capsizing unlike the stable OC teams who go through relatively predictable cycles? I would say because the talent here is not as extensive. Use to be that a kid like the monrovia DL would be at Amat – hands down. Now, well why go to amat? Whats the draw? Let us be reasonable… talking about playing the toughest competition, etc… that doesn’t mean alot to kids when they can go down the street and play for a title with their friends. Amat offered a chance at a title in the toughest division in the country – or at least i contend it is the toughest. Now what? Why would a kid go there? There’s only so much prime talent to go around in the SGV. Amat needs to regain its monopoly on the market.

    I am usually not so modest, but I have to say that maybe… hopefully… I am wrong. I would love to see Amat pull itself together again. It needs to. And perhaps my assessment is wrong (though it never is). Put simply, I see Amats chances at recovering slim. Not out of reach… but not healthy. They need a great run this year. They NEED one.

    In the end, i’m just another onlooker trying to figure out why in the hell they can’t pull out another dream season over there. Everyone – EVERYONE – is waiting and hoping for it: a pac 5 title.

    Thus spake THE GENERAL.

  • NotSince1995

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    SGV
    .
    What does OldMrs.Roper73 and OldMr.Roper74 have in common?
    - No CIF Championship Ring Since 1995
    - No OL or DL in 2011 to compete for a Ring
    - They will drop out from the top 10 by week 3
    - They cry on each other’s laps simultaneously once they’ve lost in the 1st round of the playoffs
    - Their grandchildren would never be caught wearing a yellow A or a red donkee
    .
    - AND
    .
    …wait for it
    .
    …wait for it…
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    - Their Favorite Movie is Harry Potter…! Hah, hah, hah…LMAO!
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    Not In 2011 Either…
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    18 Years – Here we come…!
    .

  • NotSince1995

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    BishopNation…
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    Do you think that General Turgidson and I are Wrong…?
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    The General has agreed with Me…!
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    I told you so…I was right, I am right and I will be right…Again!
    .
    He said…”Use to be that a kid like the monrovia DL would be at Amat – hands down. Now, well why go to amat? Whats the draw? Let us be reasonable…” hah, hah, hah…I told you so! And, I’ll tell you why…because you’re just not as good as you think you are…and Servite will serve you up a nice hot plate of kick a$$ to prove it…!
    .
    .
    C’mon…lets start a round table discussion on why you think General Turgidson and I are Wrong…!
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    I want to here from OldMrs.Roper73, jcaz, JoeAmat, justsaying, hellokitty, pumba69, and every other AmatHonk out there.
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    Not in 2011 Either…
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    Lets dot it Fred…Can you say 200 posts…?

  • Progress…

    Wow the General summed it all up. Honestly Bishop’s real issue is the QB position. Until Amat can land a full time QB, they will not be what they should. The Qb is the heart and soul of a team, and leader.
    Bishop does not play in the lower divisions where you can just come in and be Athletic, and make a deep run. Everything and everyone must be on one accord. Bishop is behind the other pac 5 schools, because Rio has not been there. They will be behind all year since Rio is going to be gone. Amat has a sick running game, but you are not going to win the serra league nor pac 5 just running down people’s throat. You are going to have to keep teams off balance. Jalen is going to be the opposing teams focus this season. He had a break out year last year, but no one will be surprised this year. Expect lots of INts, and miscues from Bishops o. Those WR have absolutely no idea who is going to be throwing to them each week, until league start and rio returns to full time. Rio is messing with his teammates success and careers. Aram and Fred never talk about that. This kid has received a lot of undeserved praise on the football side. They have continued to attempt to separate him from the pack of QB’s and players in the SGV. I guess the tribune is hoping that if they give a nick name like “9″ and keep him in the rankings despite him not showing up for anything, that he will stay in football. But chances are he is going to make that all star team. Everyone knows this. He is top five baseball players in the U.S. Bishop, I would get ready for him not to return. If Rio was there full time the WR would have better timing, and better numbers. Jalen would not be facing 10 man fronts all year. People are going to go after him because they know he has been playing baseball, and his first passes are going to come in hell week. So i wonder who is going to be getting the reps… On one hand rio is going to need all the reps he can get to be ready for servite, but then so will the other Qbs who will be starting the next weeks and maybe the season. I just can not see bishop making the playoffs this season…too much stuff going on. Jalen is the only constant there right now. This you can quote me on

    “If Bishop Amat was a 2nd place serra, and first round losing team with a ‘Full time’ Rio last year, What can you expect Bishop Amat to be with a ‘Part time’ Rio, or ‘No Rio at all’?”

    I am not hating on Bishop Amat, just being truthful and making a logical assumption. Now when you assume, you are making a @$$ out of u and me lol, but I ask Bishop Nation….am I being logical?

  • LNCR BKR

    General, history says that usually you are an azz just like toolsince1995 but I will say you make some good points…this time. Amat knows we “NEED” a good year, we always want a good year. Sure we would like a few DL like the M-town fella or a transfer QB, LB etc, etc. The real problem is that most of those guys wash-out at Amat academically and socially. I agree that it will be tough without a solid, full-time QB. It would be nice if we had one in the wings or starting his second year of competition for the spot but alas, this is not the case. That being said, The Amat Family will still come out in full support of the athletes we have, the athletes that want to be there, the athletes that Bleed Blue and Gold just like their Fathers, Mothers, Aunts, Uncles and grandparents before them did! We make the best of what we have and give it 110% towards winning a championship every year. Unfortunately, the ball doesn’t always bounce our way and the breaks aren’t always catchable. We do’t take the field on Friday nights to be “The Best in the SGV” we take the field to be the Best for our school, Bishop Amat. We try to uphold the Honor, Discipline and Tradition of all the Lancers before us who played under for BLUE and Gold. We know the road ahead won’t be easy, it never is; but, that won’t diminish our determination or will to succeed and to uphold our end of the responsibility to represent our school – Bishop Amat High School – Every Friday Night. Thanks for the honest assessment. It was refreshing and in some spots right on the mark. Mighty are the Men who wear the Blue and Gold! Our Lady Queen of Victory…Pray for Us!
    Go Amat!
    Go Lancers!

  • NotSince1995

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    Well BishopNation…
    .
    Looks like “Progress” and “LNCR BKR” absolutely agree with the General and ME…
    .
    LNCR BKR has a some nostalgia and wish-we-were-great-again feel to it, Blue & Yellow and all that stuff, but its clear that he’s resigned to the fact that Servite et al is gonna kick yo-a$$ in 2011…
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    “Progress” says you ain’t making the playoff this year…Playoff…get it…? Singular…ehh, never mind…!
    .
    I want to here from OldMrs.Roper73, jcaz, JoeAmat, justsaying, Simplicity!, FredJ, hellokitty, pumba69, and every other AmatHonk out there. Do you agree with the growing “masses”…?
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    Not In 2011 Either…

  • Just Asking

    not since, I have some questions for you:

    1. Do you have a life outside of this blog?
    2. Do you have a girlfriend or boyfriend?
    2a. Do you obsess over them?
    3. What items decorate the walls of your room?
    4. How much body art do you have?
    5. Do you talk about this with your friends?
    6. Do you have friends?
    7. Is your head shaved?
    8. How long have you had this obsessive disorder?
    9. Did you have a mother or were those jackal bones in the box?
    10. Finally, does your head spin around?

    Hey, don’t be mad at me, I’m Just Asking…….

  • General Turgidson

    To: LNCR BKR

    I would like to know what I have ever said that leads you to call me an “azz.”

    And once again, you are talking in vague abstractions and euphamisms. “Playing to be the best,” “ball doesn’t always bounce our way,” etc. What does that mean? It means nothing soldier! Amat needs to have a deep playoff run or it will continue to bleed. Simple.

    Additionally, I put forth valid arguments which even you admit are “good points.” And not surprisingly, you respond with the most meaningless nonsensical cliches.

    I would like to for once hear some of the amat “faithful” express their concern. Just to be clear, I want Amat to pull through. I want to see them in the home depot center in december. I also call bs when I see it. Right now, its do or die for Amat.

    They wont survive another coach, which looks to be on the horizon if they cant hatch a miracle.

    That is all soldier!

  • Honesty hurts .

    Bishop Amat Nation do you ever see Amat getting back to the level it was 20 years ago? I know Amat is tight knit community with loyal fans, which normally do not air their dirty laundry on the blog. However, with the constant coverage , high rankings, etc… by the tribune, the question is “is anyone worried about the state of the program”? I have always read other bloggers concern about their program. The SGV roots for Bishop. I don’t think people are hating on Bishop, most can see now that Bishop is not what its supposed to be. Bishop’s heel, is that you have set such a high standard for so long, that when its not met, it sticks out like a sore thumb. All summer, I have read all of you sugar coat this Rio situation. I can not justify a kid not playing passing league all summer and missing games during the season. Bishop has never allowed a player to miss season games, because of another sport? Has any other lancer football great ever wanted to? I know this is a once and life time chance..I am all for that, go play baseball! I have never seen this before. But, one thing a young man must learn is life is full of tough choices. Whatever you are a part of, you must be fully committed. That is what Bishop should be teaching. That sums up what that program has become. A free for all. That is sending the wrong message to the sgv world. As long as this coach is there, that precedent will be set…people are going to point back to rio, whenever they want some kind of favoritism….how can he say no to anything, if he is allowed that to happen. I would not make a kid choose sports when playing for the school, but hey, this is effecting 70 people season and record. Yeah you hear he will be ready for the servite game or he will be ready for league…you all are kind of delusional. I’d rather lose with a full time QB then lose with a part time QB. I am sorry but as a fan of Bishop Amat outside SGV. I mean how do think you are going to look to the world if this years season is a disaster? They are going to point right to this….People are pushing this gold n blue lancer pride, honor, and etc…etc…..But if your number one guy is Being treated special than all that is a bunch of crap. If any other player pull a stunt like that they would not be welcome back with open arms.,,, I lost a lot of respect for bishop with that kind of stuff going on.

  • just sayin’

    General Turd -”express their concern”? – not concerned.

    Honesty – football players who play other sports ROUTINELY miss their games (basketball, wrestling, baseball) to go on football recruiting visits and have been allowed to do so at Amat. A chance to represent your country is just a bit more important than that!

  • Agree

    just sayin’,

    Missing a game and missing mouths is a big difference. “Honesty hurts” is right, this is setting a trend that is going to destory the program in the long run. No other player would be allowed to do this, so now every player should be allowed to do this. You can’t have one set of rules for the team and another for “Rio”, and that is what Hag. just did.

  • great for the sgv

    Some players do transition from other sports and do well, but those players continue to particpate in some capacity with the next sport they will be playing. This particular player as good as he is will be off that practice/playing field for quite some time. Now if he returns for the league games wouldn’t you expect it to be a bigger challenge for him? And I agree that the precedent for other players wanting to do the same has been established.

  • Honesty hurts .

    @just saying…Every school has had players miss games for other sports at that school, when they overlap. That is not the case here. For example, If you have a player who goes to the finals in basketball, they player may miss a early preseason baseball game. If you have a player go to the finals in football or a recruiting trip, they may miss one preseason basketball game. Football begins with no other sports overlapping it in the beginning of school. Like I said Bishop Fans are delusional, when it comes to allowing rio to miss preseason games, then come right back in and start. Don’t give me any crap about he will have to come back and earn his spot. As soon as he returns he is the starting QB. So you are telling me that just because He is representing his country, he can place that over his team, which is depending on him to lead them to a pac 5 title? Before he was invited to this, he committed to Bishop Amat players,coaches and fans. If you all remember, last year, people question his commitment to football. Now this. Any coach who places one players agenda over his team, should not be the coach. How can he looks his players in the eyes and talk about commitment, team over self, giving it your all eveyday etc…I would be pissed if I was on that team, and our starting QB or any position player, was going to miss games. Unless there is a injury, Death, illness, or disciplinary action, the guy is going to have show is face every once and while in the summer, and play all 10 games on the schedule. Honestly, the kid is going to shut it down early when it comes to football. If he gets a bruise arm. His dad is going to yank him…You think he is really going to risk his 1 million dollar 1st round draft status, for a 2nd place serra league position, and a 1st round exit in pac 5 playoff play? Come on folks lets be real… I wish him the best, butttttt, I would have like to see him either step up and leave the football program to represent our country, or decline and be the full time QB at BA. You can’t do both. Something to think about here….do you think he is telling the U-18 baseball coaches, and staff that, he is not 100% committed to them and that team? Especially when they have hundreds of players in the US to choose from. I am sure the question has came up….what do you think he told them? Come on folks… I don’t blame Rio, he is a kid. I blame his parents and BA coaches for not handling this with honor. This is the level that Bishop amat has fell to. You will not win a title, with the current coach. He has does not have a pair. You got to draw the line somewhere. I would not risk my credibility, for anything. Rio will be gone after this year, but the coach will still be there. I am not against kids playing 4 sports, but only if they play them in season, and can stretch themselves to be at all required events….like season games…WTF is going on in 2011 I am sorry, but don’t make excuses for that.

  • LNCR BKR

    General-I haven’t forgotten you from last year, that’s why you’re an azz.
    Why is it that people like you, toolsince 1995, valley girl, sgv football, etc, etc are all so worried about the state of Bishop Amat Lancer Football? Leave the “concern” for the Lancer program to the Lancer Faithful. I believe that this matter has already been addressed, weighed and measured. It has been handled. You clowns are SPECULATING on what will happen when Ruiz leaves, reports, leaves and returns to the football program. Ultimately the only person who knows exactly what will happen is coach Hag’s and he is under no obligation to share it with you lug nuts. The Amat faithful trust in our coach (nice try w/the looking for a new coach pot stir thing-azz) We believe in our coach and we trust that he will do whats right for our team. The Lancer program and our season is in good hands. Why don’t you guys find another team/program to worry about and put your efforts into “fixing”.
    You guys are actually spending your time, posting on a high school blog, about kids who are not related to you, and a team that you love to hate and are only a fringe fan of……thanks for your “CONCERN” but it is ot needed.

  • Honesty hurts .

    @ lancer bckr. Your post shows there is a concern. No team in the pac 5 or any other division, is going to have their starting QB miss the whole summer then miss seasonal games to play another sport, which is not in season…There is nothing to “Weigh and Measure”. This a Farce, and huge embarrassment on the Bishop Program. Shame on you and any one else who thinks otherwise. You know there are some Bishop Faithful, who are not happy with the situation at amat, and I have spoke to one…But hey I am not a lancer Faithful, so I don’t have to pretend like it’s ok to let a guy go and come as he pleases. Jay Anderson did the honorable thing and said, he wanted to focus on baseball. That is showing the teaching of the right principles, values, and Honesty….How can you look your teammates in the eye and say you are with them all way, and then say weeks 2-5 I am going to be playing baseball…I think Bishop will only lose 1-2 games in preseason. but if they lose more and Rio is struggling in league, and they finish 2nd or 3rd, its going to get ugly over there. They Same parents saying it’s ok, are going to change their tune, and the possible players that could be coming their may back out. What’s going on is not a small deal. Rio has the program by the Balls…lets say he does not come back…..oooooh brother….that coach is going to look like a azz, for not going with guys their. Come on don’t be delusional.

  • AMAT 73

    General T,
    I have one question concerning your post. First off somethings I agree and some I don’t but it’s your opinion and that’s ok . Now you write that it doesn’t matter how many CO’s ,WC’s , Bonita’s , and now Monrovia only because they feel they are now part of this group, that basically outside of the SGV those teams are not even in the conversation of teams that thought of as top programs. You go on to say if the slide at AMAT continues the SGV will suffer greatly. So in essence are you saying if not for AMAT the SGV would not be a factor in high school football conversations outside the fishbowl as we affectionately call our SGV ? Now what I agree on is the need for the Cory Minor like player. We have a couple and let’s see what they do this season but I know what you mean as before we had many .You use the example of the DL from Monrovia being at AMAT hands down back in the day. Maybe your thought process of the SGV has trickled down to the players as you say kids are happy to go play with their friends and win a title against their friends from all star teams or grammar school in their own world ( fishbowl ). Perhaps the economic situation ( because if we really handed out free tuition as said on here just think about that ) and the lure of playing against the best and winning at the highest level and has lost it’s luster. I think that is what really sets the OC and the IE somewhat apart from the SGV in that the OC you have many schools in fact a complete league, the Trinity, that compete at the highest level . It’s a mind set and the SGV doesn’t have it anymore. We used to back in the day but where did it go . Ask some of the old timers and maybe you remember when many of our schools played at the highest level . Why it was lost who knows . Now it’s lets bash on AMAT because they are faultering at that high level and are not living up to the SGV’S expectations of them . As far as AMAT losing it’s grip and you thinking it’s starting to happen well stats and facts differ but we are facing a new season with a one local Damien and a distant cousin La Mirada on the schedule and as the saying goes on any given Friday night. Also let’s give Hags those 5-6 years to produce that team you speak of that comes along in thattime frame because there was some damage to the program by the previous staff . Hag’s is more like the coaching of the 80′s and 90′s teams than we’ve had in quite a while as you said yourself on the organized , fundementals ,and pristine .

  • LNCR BKR

    Honestly…well to BE honest, you’re talking out your wipe hole. “Rio is holding a team hostage…”, “It’s not right”, “It’s setting a bad precedent..”, blah, blah blah…AGAIN, it is not your problem to worry about Lancer Haters! It’s not like the kids in line to QB aren’t getting reps to make a case to start anyway dirt ball. NOBODY has said that if and when Ruiz returns he is going to step right in and be handed the QB job, that is you and others S P E C U L A T I N G! And I don’t think anybody at any program would be happy with less than a championship, isn’t that the ultimate goal for ALL PROGRAMS? You haters are always trying to start trouble. The season hasn’t started yet and who knows….Maybe Amat gets a QB transfer between now and then, Haven’t stranger things happened in the past at other programs????
    Here we go AMAT,
    Here we GO!!!

  • Honesty hurts .

    Lancer bckr, you know that Rio will not be on the sidelines, when he returns. Why would he come back to sit the bench, come on now. Bishop is causing its own trouble. It’s one thing to get reps, its another thing to be named the starter, the leader, etc…I will ask you this…who is going to be starting in the servite game…the kid who has been to all the workouts, played all the passing league games or Rio, who hasn’t been there all summer, and is leaving right after…Who is going to be when Bishop Opens up against Alemany in Serra league play, the kid who has taken all the snaps in Lb jordan – Venice game or Rio who just returned from south America in a baseball tourney? My point exactly…no one is hating…it’s just being pointed out that this is not honorable, and is not in line with the values Bishop Amat holds so dearly. i don’t car if he comes back as a flanker on the kickoff team, which ever kid he replaces, will have been treated unfairly…Is it all about winning? or is about teaching values, and producing quality young men, with winning being the result of hard work without favoritism? If its about winning, then you start Rio. If it is about displaying the “values” then I would play the kids who put in the time…My Coaches always told me, “They will Take the 11 guys who want to be here”. With precedent that has been placed, bishop is risking credibility over one guy. Is it worth it? Amat 73 is right Bishop is the standard…with that being said, you show me one program that has allowed a player to do what Bishop Has allowed rio to. Yeah, almost all schools don’t have a player in this position, but schools have had to discipline players, knowing that it would hurt their program severely. Values should override winning every time. That is what’s disappointing about this scenario. The Question is, if Rio Makes the team, is he going to choose Bishop Amat Football team or the American U-18 Baseball team? Answer that. How would you feel if he choose Baseball….you won’t be honest about that, you are going to say it won’t damage the programs rep in SGV nor the coaches rep….As the ol School’ MC BREED Said “Ain’t No Future in yo’ Frontin’”!

  • General Turgidson

    To Amat73:

    First, i dont understand your counter argument to my point about Amat putting the sgv on the map. Second, about Haggerty and the “damage” done to the program… this is not a valid excuse and i reject the notion that you need 5-6 years to win. Once again, I refer to Harry Welch… Santa Margarita 2 years ago: 3-7, no real marquee players, etc. Last year: 8-2, close loss in the second round, lost by a touchdown to Servite, 2nd place in the trinity… IT CAN BE DONE, ESPECIALLY AT AMAT.

    Btw: the facts are this… one and out in the playoffs, no end in sight.

    Now, if you say “talent is down at amat due to prior damage” then you are proving me, “honesty,” “great for the sgv,” and even “notsince1995″ right when we say that Amat is losing its grip on talent – talent which is not extensive in the sgv. I AM NOT CONDONING 95′s APPROACH OR HIS GLEE AT AMAT’S MISFORTUNE. But truth is truth, no matter who wields it.

    If you say “well, Haggerty is no Harry Welch” then you are admitting the slipping standards at Amat. Now, I dont completely agree that standards have fallen quite yet. People still want a title, still hope for one. The question is, how much longer will they accept seasons like last year without being angry?

    That is the strangest thing. I never see the Amat “faithful” angry at sub par performance. I could be wrong, but the “faithful” seem to be eternally grateful, satisfied, content. That is a recipe for failure if that is also the climate at the school. If you accept “rebuilding” seasons, sub par performance, and athletes who are half committed – then dont be surprised when you fade in to obscurity.

    As to this Rio situation, i am shocked we are even having this discussion. Even last year Private Fred and Private Aram made such a huge deal of this kid. He hadn’t done ANYTHING yet and he was touted as the next Pat Hayden. Well guess what, as ugly as the debate got here, as belligerent as everyone became… the detractors were right! He didn’t do anything and was average at best last year. Now, he simply dissappeared. YOU THINK HE IS GOING TO MISS HALF THE SEASON, MOST OF SUMMER, AND HE IS GOING TO COME OUT “SWINGING” FOR LEAGUE. One word son: DELUSIONAL!

    I completely agree with “honesty hurts.” Bad precedent, bad situation. But I dont think its all Haggerty’s mess. The kid took off, gonna make millions in the pro’s. Haggerty can’t kick the kid off the team for that. Now IF HE STARTS HIM EVER AGAIN… THAT IS HIS MESS. Rio should never start. The onus is on Rio to simply not play anymore. Jaylen did the right thing. Rio needs to do the same. You can’t do that at a school like Amat. The kid should just play baseball and leave the REAL SPORT to others. Honestly, its not like Amat is missing out on much.

    LNCR BKR: you have reduced yourself to ad hominem attacks. You continue to believe that Rio will come back and magically be better than last year… that truly is “faithful.” Get real. Instead of insulting me, be a man like Amat 73. At least he has some understanding and some grounding in reality.

    “That’s how I got ‘em.”

    Thus spake The General

  • LNCR BKR

    You are speculating again, the knee jerk thing would be to say Rio will start BUT Does Rio have to be in the game at QB? What if the other kids get it done at QB? What if they can get the ball off to recvrs and hand the ball off well? Would it hurt to use Rio elsewhere? No. If Rio chooses baseball then so be it. You cannot fault the kid. It would be disappointig but you have to understand and accept his choice. Remember this though, as much as we, the Amat faithful, love/Like/Respect and root for Rio Ruiz, He is NOT bigger than the AMAT Program…Nobody has ever been or ever will be at Bishop Amat. That is just the way it is. Amat will be fine either way and I personally wish Rio Ruiz all the Best that this time and the future have to offer him. So please, do yourself a favor and stop worrying about the Amat program and it’s future. As I said before…it is in good hands for the time being.
    Go Lancers!
    Go Amat!

  • General Turgidson

    To Honesty Hurts:

    You are wrong about one thing soldier. If its about winning, you put a kid in who has been there all summmer and all season. No way Rio should fit in anywhere on the field if he hasn’t been there for months… right in midseason mind you! If he is able to “take” anyones position then I pose the question: How bad was that kid in the first place if someone who hasnt played hardly a lick of football in a year, who was average to begin with, comes and takes your position? Especially if its a different one like “flanker.”

    You seem to be taking orders from private Fred about this kids supposed greatness – with absolutely no proof on the field to back it up.

    Dont take orders from a private. Take orders from THE GENERAL.

  • Honesty hurts .

    General uh oh… If you are the general, then I am the commander and Chief… Let me break ya down a little bit. Breaking news, Rio Ruiz and the SGV Babe Ruth team just Punched their ticket to 18-U world series!!! The Game is going to be played just two weeks before, Hell Week. Has this kid even looked at the this years playbook yet? I am sure Rio is coming back to play WR, and go across the middle and take hits from those Punishing Pac 5 back 7. If he comes back, he is coming back to be the starting Bishop Amat QB. Let’s look at this closer….

    “How bad was that kid in the first place if someone who hasnt played hardly a lick of football in a year, who was average to begin with, comes and takes your position?”

    My Reply: First of All, Rio is no “Average” Athlete. Are you Saying that? He is one of the best Athletes on the Bishop Amat Roster…6’2 l85..4.6 speed…Good Arm, etc… Did you see him as a sophomore at WR? Rio Might be the best WR at Bishop…and he doesn’t play the position. So him coming back and Snatching a position at WR would not be a surprise, Especially when he is better than all of his WR anyway.

    Rio Could be a Division 1 QB or WR if he trained for it, and that was his focus. But Baseball is the kids focus and future. Its evident. The kid is a top 5 baseball player!!! Football programs are not recruiting him bc they can see this a mile away, not because he is not a talented.

    General…that’s one star. Now you have 3! Keep talking and the Commander and Chief will take another star…and So on So on until you are a sgt major. LOl

  • great for the sgv

    The SGV’s expectations? Speak for the bishop nation that has put bishop football on a pedestal and refers to the SGV as a fish bowl.
    And now that they have been in this situation for 15+yrs any reference to trouble in bishop nation is taken as bashing. You lancers must feel cornered because now you actually have a lancer asking to leave the bishop program alone!
    And you are right in saying that some of us would prefer to watch kids that have grown in and around the SGV play each other.It is absolutley more fulfilling to watch kids that one has watched grow and compete against their freinds in high school.

  • General Turgidson

    To Honesty:

    Son. You are way out of line.

    First, we are talking about football and Ruiz was an average at best quarterback. Am i missing something? If anyone has any proof of the contrary i’d love to hear it. Listen to yourself. Everything is “what if…”

    You are under the same spell as the rest of the pukes. Show me any giant kid with tons of potential at any school… just go look at Blair… at least 5 kids on that team at any given time who, “if they trained for it,” are d1 athletes. So your assessment is based on baseball and what ifs? This kid is getting all kinds of football press for doing an average job – at best. So i dont follow your reasoning.

    Is he a great athlete? You have to go sport by sport to answer this question. I mean, a pro tennis champion hasnt the slightest inkling of talent that would allow him to play in the nfl. Conversely, i suggest to you that pro football players are the most athletic people in the world. It requires far more sheer physical atheticism to play football. Being a great baseball player requires a different set of skills, which not only do not translate to football, but it is no where near as demanding a sport as football.

    So in this discussion, any mention of baseball or “if he just practiced more…” these things are competely irrelevent. We live in something called reality.

    So no. I dont think he hands down wins any position anywhere. Maybe he will, maybe he wont. Baseball hasnt a damn thing to do with it. Neither does his “athleticism.” We must remember lugo, or some of the other great small recievers in Amat’s past. There was also a Zapatha or zampatha or something like that some years ago. Plenty of big “athletes” sat behind those little guys on the bench.

    Once again, in this thing called reality we have to abide by what has been done on the football field and during practice. Oh wait — he doesnt practice!

    Honesty… you need more time in the firing range. You are a disgrace.

    Thus spake THE GENERAL

  • Progress

    whats going on with all this “Fish Bowl stuff” College recruits are well aware of the talent and good teams located in the SGV. Counting We put out just as many D1 and or college Kids as any other area when you compare Area size to output… The SGV is small, when compared to LA, OC, The Valley, or Inland Empire or South Coast LBC Area… if there is no traffic, you can drive on the 210 or 10 fwy and sweep through the SGV in 15 mins tops. There is this illusion, that the SGV is not on the map, but it has always been on the map, when it comes to recruiting. Below I am just naming the Sr. There are tons of jrs and Sophomores who will get offers when they finish up… Just because Bishop is face of the SGV, Doesn’t mean its the body and soul…Whenever there is a national power school and they are private…the scouts and sny football brain knows there is talent in that area and surrounding schools. I have been in several states, and brought up John Muir of Pasadena and people know where they are…so please don’t down grade the area to make your team look better…SGV is a talent Rich area…We may not have the best teams all around, but we do have some the best players all around

    McCarthy-Monrovia/ Pac 12
    Seymour-Muir Pac-12
    Solomon-West Covina Pac 12
    Owens-Muir Pac 12
    Moore-Bishop Amat Unknown possibly Wac/Pac 12
    Tailanko-St Francis Wac
    Lagace-Arcadia Pac 12
    Carr-Arcadia Unknown Wac/Mt west/Pac 12
    Omana-Diamond Bar Unknown/ D1 Prospect
    Hart-South Hills Unknown/ D1 Prospect
    Porter-La Habra Pac 12
    Gilchrist-Charter Oak unknown/ D1 Prospect
    Bartelone-La Habra Mt West
    Meaders- West Covina Unknown D1 prospect
    Brown-San Dimas unknown D1 prospect
    Williams-Monrovia Prospect

  • Honesty hurts .

    General you are Demoted to private First Class! You address me as Sir you maggot! Its time I put you in your place!

    First of all I said QB and WR.

    Rio as a QB was all league first team Serra league! That’s all along with never playing the position prior to last year. Also Factor in that he spends his summer playing Baseball and not working on his QB skills at camps, and passing league tourneys. I would say that is a talented kid. Historically Qb’s have been great baseball players and Vice versa. Athletes are athletes…and the mojority of world class athletes can play multiple sports… You ever heard of Deon Sanders, Bo Jackson, Allen Iverson, Antonio gates. Tom Glavine played was NHL Draft pick…Shelia Young speed Skater and Cyclist…Charlie ward, Dave Winfield Drafted by four leagues… heck Jordan played Minor league baseball and Carl Lewis was drafted by the chicago Bulls… Rio Is a World class under 18 athlete. Otherwise he would not be going to play baseball in South America…when playing any sport you can take skills developed in that sport and use it in another…the concentration of a Golfer…the hand eye baseball brings, the toughness and durability that football brings… the change of direction in soccer…the jumping in Basketball…the breathing in swimming or core strength in water polo…or the speed and wind from track…the low center of Gravity a wrestler has…or even the flexibility and grace of a Dancer… Thats why people play multiple sports as kids….they do this to develop a wide range of skills which can applied in the sport of their choice later on…you know nothing maggot.

    I don’t think you know what you are talking about regarding Rio’s skillz as a WR. The whole Bishop Nation will tell you… it was Rio who made that sick highlight TD catch against Mater Dei 2 years ago to upset them as a sophomore. He looked like one the top WR in that game with Victor Blackwell playing. I remember John Jackson speaking on how good he was…and thats alot coming from him. He should know being one of the best WR in Bishop History! It was not until Bishop had no QB last year, did he step up and play that position. Rio Could be a d1 QB/WR and those in the Bishop Program know how raw of a talent this kid is…my only issue was that he is missing FB games in the middle of the season….other than that He is a dam good player. Put him in a QB camp, and bet you the scouts, would say he has the size 6’2 185,,,speed 4.6 and arm to play college…someone would pick him up. You don’t know what to argue, your points are misleading and off center…

    You have no clue what you are talking about…Thats why snatched you stripes! lol…Please don’t get out of line again or I will court Marshall yo AZZ and waterboard you….

  • Honesty hurts .

    General you are Demoted to private First Class! You address me as Sir you maggot! Its time I put you in your place!

    First of all I said QB and WR.

    Rio as a QB was all league first team Serra league! That’s all along with never playing the position prior to last year. Also Factor in that he spends his summer playing Baseball and not working on his QB skills at camps, and passing league tourneys. I would say that is a talented kid. Historically Qb’s have been great baseball players and Vice versa. Athletes are athletes…and the mojority of world class athletes can play multiple sports… You ever heard of Deon Sanders, Bo Jackson, Allen Iverson, Antonio gates. Tom Glavine played was NHL Draft pick…Shelia Young speed Skater and Cyclist…Charlie ward, Dave Winfield Drafted by four leagues… heck Jordan played Minor league baseball and Carl Lewis was drafted by the chicago Bulls… Rio Is a World class under 18 athlete. Otherwise he would not be going to play baseball in South America…when playing any sport you can take skills developed in that sport and use it in another…the concentration of a Golfer…the hand eye baseball brings, the toughness and durability that football brings… the change of direction in soccer…the jumping in Basketball…the breathing in swimming or core strength in water polo…or the speed and wind from track…the low center of Gravity a wrestler has…or even the flexibility and grace of a Dancer… Thats why people play multiple sports as kids….they do this to develop a wide range of skills which can applied in the sport of their choice later on…you know nothing maggot.

    I don’t think you know what you are talking about regarding Rio’s skillz as a WR. The whole Bishop Nation will tell you… it was Rio who made that sick highlight TD catch against Mater Dei 2 years ago to upset them as a sophomore. He looked like one the top WR in that game with Victor Blackwell playing. I remember John Jackson speaking on how good he was…and thats alot coming from him. He should know being one of the best WR in Bishop History! It was not until Bishop had no QB last year, did he step up and play that position. Rio Could be a d1 QB/WR and those in the Bishop Program know how raw of a talent this kid is…my only issue was that he is missing FB games in the middle of the season….other than that He is a dam good player. Put him in a QB camp, and bet you the scouts, would say he has the size 6’2 185,,,speed 4.6 and arm to play college…someone would pick him up. You don’t know what to argue, your points are misleading and off center…

    You have no clue what you are talking about…Thats why snatched you stripes! lol…Please don’t get out of line again or I will court Marshall yo AZZ and waterboard you….

  • AMAT 73

    General T,
    I am not arguing your point as I do agree AMAT keeps the SGV in the conversation when it comes to high school football outside the SGV . I just want to make sure so notsince2010 and others realize what exactly you said. Secondly there was damage done by the previous staff because you might recall the exodus of McBride and others during those years and rumors of no help of getting players to the next level on the recruiting or scholarship issues. Next you mentioned the great teams at least every 5-6 years so I went on that . Now if you recall Hags did take the team to the second round in 09, and the playoffs the year before so 3 years with playoff finishes is not that bad . Do we want and expect more of course WE ARE AMAT .On the talent issue the damage was only a minor part and the larger part was your reference to kids staying at home and playing for local titles with their friends as opposed to testing themselves against the toughest division in the country as you contend that it is . And in no way did I say Hags is not top notch , as a matter of fact I said the coaching is back up to par with the greats of the 80′s and 90′s . Now for the Rio situation at hand I never mentioned him at all and really do not care to get involved in the conversation and you can look back when Fred and Aram ( really does he warrant the name NINE ) and some of the so called nation people were building him as passing HADEN in greatness. Well I went to AMAT during the HADEN years and have seen all since and went on record as far as him not even being close. He is our equal to HADEN in baseball but football no way . If he was a football player first and foremost , yes he would possibly be right there with HADEN but he is not . Look it up it’s there for you to see. As far as this mess as you call it with Rio we will see what and how Hags handles it and until then all is just speculation by all not privy to actual situation . To compare JA and Rio’s situation is not even close as they are baseball players of different caliber. JA had his reasons ( studies for college purposes and hone his baseball skills ) and Rio his ( definite future in pro baseball ).Should Rio have concentrated just on baseball , who knows , maybe yes maybe no but it’s too late to second guess his family’s decision and what good does that do . I have and so do many of the Faithful have confidence that Hags will do what is best for the TEAM in the end as nothing has been decided or maybe it has and realistically what coach in the SGV would not let a young man do what’s best for his future as bright as Rio’s is . I could very well see Coach Lou or others doing the same as they do have the best interest of their players at heart.And yes we do want a title and yes we do get pissed when what we see on the field is not AMAT football but we keep it in house where it should be kept, after all the masses would just thrive if we put out in public . Now just imagine the opportunity for some of the fine QB’s out there if they had chosen AMAT as their school of choice but as you say some would rather stay and play and win titles with their friends instead of doing it against the toughest division in the nation as the General spake it to be , the PAC-5. That is the reality of it , so sayeth the LANCER FROM 73 .

  • LNCR BKR

    Anyone who refers to themselves in the third person really has other issues that they should be dealing with other than criticizing a HS player and a High school that he does not follow….”Thus spake THE GENERAL” give me a break, you are speculating just like the rest. What do you know for sure about the Ruiz situation? And remember I said FOR SURE. Not what you think or you believe will happen. I SAID FOR SURE? Not a damn thing!

    Great for the SGV – “It is absolutley more fulfilling to watch kids that one has watched grow and compete against their freinds in high school.” THEN GO WATCH THEM and leave your obsession with Amat in your past! And I “may” be wrong but I don’t remember it being an Amat fan who referred to the SGV as a fishbowl in order to prop themselves up? As a matter of fact I believe it was an OC or IE guy that may have so dubbed it?

    Progress – I agree, the SGV is a great area for football talent and I wish an SGV vs OC vs IE vs City bowl could jump off…that would be cool. And If you really research it, I think you’ll find that Amat fans usually rise up in DEFENSE of our school NOT to prop ourselves up on a pedestal. Hell some threads on Amat go untouched until a tool like nosexsince1995, valleytramp(aka Amat bully-can you believe that this idiot actually changed his name to this) or our new buddy who speaks in the third person generalturd, shows up and drops some Hate on us.

    Anyway who knows why people hate Amat, I guess it keeps them in the game, keeps them young or controversial and relevant…to each his own. I blog for Shitz and giggles ma self.

    Go Lancers!

  • General Turgidson

    To amat 73:

    Points well taken. Once again, I would love to see Amat pull through. Not a detractor, ala notsince1995. I disagree with his tactics and his joy at the fact that amat has not won a title. I would be the first one in line at the home depot center… thats the truth.

    And my qualms with the rio situation are because of the people who DID dare to bring up Pat Hayden and such… you’d think they witnessed the second coming with how much they were drooling over “NINE.”

    To LNCR BKR:

    Once again, you make no arguments, you simply attack people personally. And of course all of this is speculation! Thats what we’re doing here. This is a place for speculation and opinion, and the differences thereof. What do you want.. facts? thats what private fred and maggot Aram are for! (no disrespect to our fine soldiers… terms of endearment). I am not sure what your issue is then. You keep saying “we are all just speculating.” If thats not the most obvious statement ive ever heard, well… i dont know what to say. Its simply that you have been wrong in your speculations. Additionally, you are uncouth, incoherent, crude… simply foolish. (google is a good place to look up words you are baffled by… ha!). Everything you’ve attempted to say to me (I said “attempted”) you could say to anyone.

    Amat 73: I SALUTE YOU.

    LNCR BKR: FIRING SQUAD AT DAWN.

    HONEST: ILL THINK OF A WITTY RESPONSE FOR YOU AS SOON AS I FIGURE OUT WHAT YOUR SAYING.

    Thus spake THE GENERAL.

  • LNCR BKR

    General-There is really nothing to argue. Apparently you don’t like “Nine” and that is your sore spot. That clears a lot up. Try not to rake too many HS Athletes over the coals this year because you disagree with the local media as to their abilities, lest we plan a coup and have you overthrown.

  • General Turgidson

    To LNCR BKR:

    Well, at least you see that there was nothing to argue about. You NEVER HAD THE CLIP IN YOUR GUN SOLDIER. So thank you for admitting defeat.

    Secondly, once again you fall back on personal attacks. “you just dont like him.” This is a FOOTBALL BLOG IN CASE YOU HAVENT NOTICED. So anytime I say a player isnt that good, or disagree with private fred…. its a personal thing?

    Get real.

    The General signing out.

    p.s: I will have it be known that from henceforth, the scouting “guru” shall be known as the scouting “goo goo.”

  • LNCR BKR

    GeneralTurdandson-As I said, try not to rake too many High School Athletes over the coals this year just because you think they’re getting too much undue press. While you’re seeking attention, try not to get it at the expense of kids….lest you be court martialed!

  • NotSince1995

    .
    OldMrs.Roper73
    .
    Look I’m #200 on the hit parade…heh, heh, heh…!
    .
    Oh, look you’re getting your a$$ handed to you by your own people…And they are saying exactly what I’ve been saying for years…! Howbout that…?
    .
    Well, maybe they’re saying it in a more delicate, diplomatic, and eloquent way, BUT they’re saying the same thing…You’re just not as good as you think you are…!
    .
    No D-line, No O-line, No Wonderboy QB, and no depth in talent on the sidelines. You can’t Win a CIF Championship! You’re just a “participant” in the Pac5. And Servite is gonna kick your a$$ 35 – 3 on September 9th.
    .
    Not In 2011 Either…
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    6 years for Hags…What a joke!
    .

  • AMAT 73

    notsince2010,
    Since your comprehension skills are lacking go back and read the General T’s comments , since you were riding his coat tails with glee when you twisted his words into thinking he agreed with you on his latest reply to me . Kind of shoots you in the azz. But again what do you care about facts or truth on anything .Don’t you ever have anything to post on the subject of football or your beloved CO on what they will do this season . Is your infatuation and want with AMAT that strong that it does not allow that pea brain of yours to think about anything other than THE BISHOP AMAT LANCERS. I know we are great and all everything concerning football to you . If not why do you spend so much time on THE BISHOP AMAT LANCERS. As a matter of fact all your time is spent on THE BISHOP AMAT LANCERS .You spend all that time looking up stats on THE BISHOP AMAT LANCERS and go as far as keeping posts from way back in 08 .Why not join the bloggers and add something constructive on other teams every now and then . Peace my brother . Oh and you can drop the index finger from that peace sign . HA HA HA HA . Also why do you keep avoiding chicken little, could it be you are a little chicken ???? Answer his question.

  • NotSince1995

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    LNCR BKR equals
    .
    You dont know what youre talking about. Do some research (they usually say this loudly and with lots of conviction to convince themselves of course), we are as good as the Trinity League.
    .
    we are better than your school (insert any school here), FredJ said so! CalPreps says so (see JoeAmat) and Maxpreps or the LA times said so too, and we play in a tougher Division and our league is the best. Can you say Mark Verti…?
    .
    The fact remains that for 17 Long Years Not Since 1995 the BishopNation has not won a CIF Championship (see rebuttal about how OLu and others that havent either usually from JoeAmat, jcaz, or OldPlatformShoes73 or some other old Lowenbrau drinking Lancerito).
    .
    The Fact is…Most of the kids playing for the BishopNation in 2011 werent even born in 1995. They have never seen a Champion in their lifetime or in this Century…! Dad (they question)…? Que Mijo(says Dad)? Whats a CIF Championship Ring they ask…? Then dad has to drive to the U-Haul storage and dig through his boxes of DuranDuran videos, his Nike Cortez shoes and his Madona Corset until he finally finds and pulls out his 1995 (or before) ring for the boy to see…! And that reminder just stabs the BishopNation right in the gut like a vato ice pick every time you remind them of that.
    .
    Not Since 1995…its like yelling OJ Simpson on the USC campus! Or Mark Verti at Amat…
    .
    It is also a fact that prior to 2009, the BishopNation was a below .500 team for over 10 years. Just like Millikan, Cabrillo, Jordan, San Clemente, Wilson and JSerra. Amat Bully, this is the part of the RESEARCH they dont want you to do!
    .
    Frankly, they were the Aliso Niguel of SGV…! They dont like to be reminded of that. Like USC, and the government, they like to pretend that Paul Hackett, OJ, Reggie Bush, Mark Verti, the Recession and the Losing Years never happened. They dont like to talk about THAT…!
    .
    It reminds them of when they had to send OldAndyGibbsFanClubPresident73 for rehab in 1999…!
    .
    The fact is that BishopNation should have been gone from the Pac 5 along time ago. They don’t belong here and they know it…! Theyre just hoping CIF doesnt notice them…
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    Not In 2011 Either…
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    All Football Facts, FredJ…Am I wrong?

  • LNCR BKR

    Nosexsince1995-same old garbage from you loser. Get some therapy. You’re a broken record and just because you take up space with your babble doesn’t mean it’s meaningful. FYI-General IS NOT YOUR FRIEND…if pressed to speak badly about someone other than an overhyped HS Athletes, he would probably agree that your Amat obsession is BOOORING.

    Still an idiot in 2011…..Yup!

  • NotSince1995

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    LNCR BKR = jcaz
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    Nah…Nah…Nah…Nah… Hey, Hey…Good Bye…
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    Hey little man, Mark Keppel and Salesian just called…they’re available for 2012! Just as soon as those city powerhouses of Garfield and Venice are done with you!
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    Servite is gonna kick your a$$…and I’m gonna be there to witness it…LMAO! Oh, but its ok cuz WonderBoy Lancerito will be back after the a$$ handing and all will be ok! Right…?
    .
    .
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    Not In 2011 Either Lancerito…
    .

  • NotSince1995

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    OldMrs.Roper73
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    Of course they are Agreeing with me…What am I missing?
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    Lets See
    - No D-line (check)
    - No O-line (check)
    - No Wonderboy QB (check, check)
    - No depth in talent on the sidelines (check)
    - 6 years for Hags…What a joke! (check)
    - You can’t Win a CIF Championship in the Pac5! (check)
    - You’re just a “participant” in the Pac5 (check)
    And Servite is gonna kick your a$$ 35 – 3 on September 9th.
    .
    That just about covers it. Right…?
    .
    Which part aren’t we agreeing on…?
    .
    The Fact is that You’re just not that good…and the General plus everyone else in the SGV has confirmed it…
    .
    Your Arrogance and Ignorance makes the BishopNation blind…Conscience! That’s right…
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    Not In 2011 Either…
    .

  • AMAT 73

    notsince2010,
    Get some new material . You’re as stale as month old bread. Or is it that you’re running out of things to write due to the capacity of your pea sized brain. Find a new angle. You sound like a broken record not since not since not since ………… or like you say blah,blah,blah……. Have a good weekend and remember the peace sign. HA HA HA HA

  • LNCR BKR

    NoSexsince1995-Booooorrrriiinnnnggg…..ZZZzzzzzzz. Thanks for the “Hit” count. At least you Haters always keep The Lancer threads active. Use your Medical and get some help my man…… Your obssession is really making you sound desperate and we are hoping, I mean afraid, that you may hurt yourself.

  • General Turgidson

    I am not on the “side” of notsince1995! The only thing he has going for him, much like string theory, is that he is right. I wont say right about everything, because I have not read all of his posts. SO dont come quoting something of his from years ago. I simply agree with him on this ONE point: that Amat is in trouble. And for the most part, his analysis of why is spot on. But I do admit he has, let us say, and unfortunate way of putting things.

    BUT!

    I WANT AMAT TO WIN A PAC 5 TITLE AND THEY ARE THE BEST TEAM IN THE VALLEY. IF THEY EVER GET BACK TO WHERE THEY SHOULD BE I WILL BE THE FIRST TO SAY IT AND THE FIRST IN LINE AT THE HOME DEPOT CENTER.

    However, I also want less transfer regulation, the end of the no return kickoff rule, and the allowance of high school football RECRUITING. That would allow Amat to take the talent that SHOULD ALREADY BE THERE from schools that dont compete at the highest level.

    Alas, all are equally unlikely in the foreseeable future.

    To LNCR BKR: This is a forum for people to talk about football. You take everything personal, and you attempt to make everything personal (which is ironic since you do this for “shitz and giggles”). You are the Amat equivalent of what you hate so much: notsince1995. Unfortunately for you… he is right, you are not.

    Thus lamented The General.

  • LNCR BKR

    General Turd you need to mind your own business attention whore. You know nothing of why I speak and from where I speak it from. Unlike you, for attention and out your azz. I speak football to those I choose to speak it with and I also post under different names because hey why not. Just like you and many others on here do you self-righteous wind bag. Stay off my field and I will stay off your “stage”. Nosexsince1995 is a repetitious idiot and now you appear to be joining the ranks! Hows that for non-football personal attacks? I do not need your approval to be on here and I don’t need your attention either but hey if you wanna keep volleying bsck and forth….why not? It’s all for shitz and giggles right? I get my kicks my way you get yours your way…General!

  • General Turgidson

    Some classy people they got over at Amat.

  • LNCR BKR

    You should know general. I will wait for the season to start and you to get into form….it’s only a matter of time.

  • Size matters

    Notsince1995

    You are funny….but I must say, their is some truth in your message. Bishop may want to beef up in the future. When you get the top of pac 5, they are big.
    It doesn’t hurt Bishop Much on O but on Defense…they just don’t have the size in the front 7 to stop the top teams in their division. When Bishop was winning titles they had some size.

  • The Truth Hurts

    Size matters at every position who are you kidding. Hag. wants his players to believe it doesn’t but it does. You get a coached up 6’1″ 210 pound kid against a 5’10″ 170 pound coached up kid and the 6’1″ kid is going to win the battle. Forget all the crap about we are going to coach up our kids and hit the weights hard thats the same crap the 6’1″ kid is getting on the other side of the ball.

    The area has changed and any chance Amat had of winning another D1 championship went with it, to Orange County. This is predominately a Mexican and Asia community and that doesn’t sit well for football. Maybe Amat should follow Wilsons lead and put more emphasis on badminton.

  • Dissenting View

    Size matters but it doesn’t ALWAYS win? There are other factors which will allow a smaller sized player to prevail. Technique, understanding angles, feel for the game and anticipation of action….smaller athletes prevail in MMA, Boxing, Baseball and Football. At the HS level a lot of kids are BIG. It doesn’t mean thay are all on the same skill or maturity level. As they go onward it will be more of a concrete factor but it is not a definate at the HS level. Don’t get me wrong, I will take size and try and “coach it up” but you cannot tell me that the biggest team is the better team based soely on size. Not buying it at the High school level and in some cases even the college level. How do you explain 5’10″ Professional Football players shedding, slipping blockers and making plays? There is more to the game than just size but size does matter at some point.

  • The Truth Hurts

    You said exactly what I said but tried to sugar coat it. Corners they like small because a smaller person is normally a quicker person. Two players exact same skills one 3 inches taller and has the additional weight for the three inches is going to be the better player at just about every position on the football field, if not everyone.

    Size does matter.

  • General Turgidson

    To LNCR BKR:

    Well lets see, hows this for class?

    i’ve never used profanity directed at anyone in particular, which you have. Thus far you have called me a “whore,” “azz,” probably a few other things which i dont care to remember. Thats not the way men talk. Thats the way a boy talks.

    I don’t aimlessly ramble – i give my opinion and I cite facts and/or reasons for my opinions. I dont make things personal, and i dont take things personal – and you obviously have. If you have proof to the contrary I’d love to hear it.

    I am not going to pretend this is “shitz and giggles” for me. I spend a relatively large amount of time (mind you, relative to the time I spend on blogs in general which is zilch) reading about sgv football. AND SO DO YOU. I try to form accurate positions. FOR THE MOST PART, THE MEN ON THIS BLOG ARE SMART ENOUGH NOT TO DERIDE OTHERS FOR “CARING” BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING THE SAME THING – spending valuable time reading and writing about area football. That you claim to be aloof or somehow above this – while at the same time you are so clearly agitated and involved – this is beyond me.

    Your attitude and your immature posturing is a disgrace to Amat. I have never heard another Amat supporter on this blog speak as you have. You display not only an elementary grasp of the sport, but trying to have a thoughtful and meaningful discussion with you is like talking metaphysics with an eggplant.

    You made some strange allusion to the fact that I “dont know why” you are writing or what your involvement in the program is, or something to that effect. All I can say is that if you are involved with Amat in any meaningful way beyond cleaning out the bathrooms… then I am even more worried about Amat than I was before. ESPECIALLY if you are involved with the program, you should have more class than this. Thats for DAMN sure.

    For the sake of Amat 73 and other supporters of Amat who represent the school well, with some dignity and class… please, dont speak again. You are making a mockery of the school.

    Thats how I got ‘em!

  • LNCR BKR

    So how long do I have to stay in my room? Shut up! You prove my point, no one cares what you think about the state of Amat. Your page of babble proves you are an attention whore. You are “worried” about Amat because of one blogger? Again, Shut up! The season will start soon.

  • Fun Facts

    here are some fun facts on top teams in Southern Section and the Fish Bowl not named Bishop Amat

    Servite
    went 25 years between championships

    Centennial
    split with Mater Dei over last 4 years?

    Mission Viejo
    have NEVER won a championship in the highest division

    Oaks Christian
    split with Alemany the past 2 seasons, as did Bishop Amat

    Alemany
    Split with Bishop Amat the last two seasons. have NEVER won a championship

    Santa Margarita
    have NEVER won a championship in the highest division

    Westlake
    lost to Oaks Christian – see above

    Serra
    comparitive scores vs 2 Amat opponents close (advantage Amat)

    St. Bonaventure
    lost to Bishop Amat in 09, right after beating Crespi & long Beach Poly

    Mater Dei
    lost to Bishop Amat the last 2 times they’ve met. Last won a championship game in 98

    Vista Murrieta
    lost to Crespi-3rd place in Serra League, have NEVER won a championship

    Chino Hills
    have NEVER won a championship

    Crespi
    Lost to Bishop Amat last season and 2 of last 3 meetings. Last D1 title in 1986

    St. John Bosco
    no playoffs last season. have NEVER won a championship

    Tesoro
    have NEVER won a championship in the highest division

    West Covina
    swept by Bishop Amat in last 2 meetings

    Valencia
    Lost to Loyola, the Serra League’s 4th place team. last title in 1992

    Rancho Cucamonga
    Swept by Amat in last 2 meetings, Did not LOSE to Charter Oak in their 2 meetings

    Arroyo Grande
    no championships since 98-and they’re in Arroyo Grande

    Lakewood
    have NEVER won a championship

    La Habra
    lost to non playoff Pac-5 opponents St John Bosco and OLu

    Edison
    Last won a championship game in 1980

    Orange Lutheran
    lost to Amat in 08. no playoffs in 10

    Dominguez
    swept by Bishop Amat in last 2 meetings

    Upland
    Lost to Loyola, the Serra League’s 4th place team

    Glendora
    swept by Bishop Amat in last 2 meetings and Loyola, the Serra League’s 4th place team

    Diamond Ranch
    swept by Bishop Amat in last 2 meetings

    St Francis
    swept by Bishop Amat in last 2 meetings

    Damien
    haven’t beat Amat since Pasquerella. Last year = no contest

    Bonita
    no titles since D9 in 99

    JSerra
    have NEVER won a championship or made playoffs, beat Damien

    San Clemente
    have NEVER won a championship

    Fountain Valley
    No title since 1998

    Roosevelt
    have NEVER won a championship

    Monrovia
    Lost to Glendora and San Dimas, See above. 1 championship in 118 years

    Santiago
    Beat Chino Hills, and Roosevelt. have NEVER won a championship

    Dana Hills
    Beat Santiago see above. have NEVER won a championship

    Norco
    lost to Roosevelt, Centennial, and Vista Murrietta (see them above)

    Newport Harbor
    have NEVER won a championship in the highest division

    South Hills
    It’s not the 70s anymore. Lost to Monrovia

    Charter Oak
    swept by Bishop Amat in last 2 meetings. NO significant wins since 2001?

  • General Turgidson

    More Fun “facts”:

    15 years… no title. Guess where.

    Nice shooting soldier.

  • great for the sgv

    Servite
    went 25 years between championships

    Kinda scary to think that bichop is only eight short years from hitting that magignumber

    Mission Viejo
    have NEVER won a championship in the highest division

    when did bishop….forget it lancer73 will get pony74 after me

  • perspective

    General- and that puts Amat ahead of all but 6 schools in the Pac-5 – 4 of whom they’ve beaten recently

  • Pac 5 Trivia

    Q: Which team is going win the Pac 5?

    A: Any team in the Division except for Bishop Amat!

  • P.E.T.A.

    General,
    Just have one question. What gives with you and that PENGUIN in all your commercials? You seem a little too friendly. We’re watching you.

  • Roger Goodell

    Now that the lockout os over, I was thinking about the top NFL teams. Some interesting tidbits on them
    Green Bay – Champions last year – then 1997 and 1968 before that
    Jets – Not Since 1969
    Eagles – Not Since EVER
    Falcons – Not Since EVER
    Saints – 1 championship in their history
    Giants – 17 yrs between championships
    Colts – 2007 and 1971 before that

    Unless we’re putting the Patriots and Steelers – what have you done for me lately? Point being? If you’re playing at the highest level -championships don’t come too easy. But the Montreal Alouettes kick @$$ in the Canadian Football League. They must be better than all of those NFL teams

  • LOL

    Charter Oak Chargers = Montreal Allouettes

    LOL!

  • AMAT 73

    great for sgv,
    No not Colt but I will send my pal Jcaz’s neighbor’s Chihuahua to tear you up . I do want a fair fight for you and sending Colt would not be fair to you at all. And even the Chihuahua would be favored against you so that might not be too fair.

  • Chihuahua

    Yo quiero great for sgv !

  • Pony74

    NotSince1995′s mom gets on a bus with her baby. The bus driver says: That’s the ugliest baby that I’ve ever seen. Ugh! The woman goes to the rear of the bus and sits down, fuming. She says to a man next to her: The driver just insulted me!

    The man says: You go right up there and tell him off go ahead, I’ll hold your monkey for you.

    NotSince1995 and great for sgv are out in the woods hunting when great for sgv falls to the ground. He doesn’t seem to be breathing, his eyes are rolled back in his head. NotSince1995 whips out his cell phone and calls the emergency services. He gasps to the operator: My friend is dead! What can I do?

    The operator, in a calm soothing voice says: Just take it easy. I can help. First, let’s make sure he’s dead. There is a silence, then a shot is heard.

    NotSince1995 comes back on the line. He says: OK, now what?

  • NotSince1995

    .
    OldMrs.Roper73 went to the Northgate Market on Sunday morning to get his usual Menudo breakfast when to his surprise he ran into Donkey74 from Covina…
    .
    OldMrs.Roper73 laughingly said…”Hey when was the last time you Won A CIF Championship Ring in Football?”
    .
    Donkey74 got pissed off and turn around very carefully cuz he didn’t want to spill the juices from his pickled pig foot and said…”The last time you did numb nuts. Not Since 1995…!”
    .
    LMAO…
    .
    I always WIN…Not Since 1995…! LMAO…
    .
    Not In 2011 Either…
    .

  • Sherlock

    95 was at Northgate Market because he was getting some FRANKs and a CORONA. LOL!
    C’mon FC – you can do better than that!

  • CFL

    NotSince95′s favorite team = Montreal Allouettes HA!

  • AMAT 73

    notsince2010,
    That’s the best you can come up with .Even my pal Jcaz has better material than that and for you to try to better Colt74 on jis jokes , well that just show your ignorance . I guess he stuck a nerve with you and hurt your feelings . Nice try but you just better stick to slamming AMAT because when you step out of your comfort zone of cutting and pasting your pea brain has no clue what to do. What exactly do you think your winning ? Are you that shallow of a person or have that much of sad life to post something of that nature ” I always win ” . Just who do you think your beating ?

  • Donkey74

    NotSince1995 went to the local drug store and asked the pharmacist for Viagra. The pharmacist said, “That’s no problem. How many do you want?”

    The man answered, “Just a few, maybe 4, but cut each one in 4 pieces.”

    The pharmacist said, “That won’t do you any good.”

    NotSince1995 said “That’s all right. I don’t need them for sex anymore as I am over 80 years old. I just want it to stick out far enough so I don’t pee on my shoes.”

  • Donkey74

    NotSince1995′s wife was seen by a Pepsi machine in Las Vegas. She dug in her pocket and then put some money in. She Crossed her fingers mumbling “Please, please, please.” and she pushed a button. A Pepsi came out and she started jumping up and down. A man came up to her and said “Lady, What are you doing?!?” The blonde looked at him and said mockingly, “Duh, I’m winning!”

    See…it runs in the family.

  • just askin’

    I’d like to know who NotSince thinks IS good – and what those teams have dome when they played Amat or comparable teams?

  • http://rgd2626 old timer

    Amat 73
    He is beating you. All he wants is a response to his nonsense and you and a couple other Amat alums keep throwing back at him.As bad as he may sound , what looks worse is you guys lowering yourselves to his level.You asked, Who do you think your beating? The answer is clear, it’s you, that is all he wants,A response from you guys, and hes getting them many times over.

  • just sayin’

    old timer – I think 95 is just an old, over-the-hill, Los Altos fan longing for the days when they’d win with players from out of their area and raid Amat 3rd stringers to keep things going in their little division – all while having no balls to play Amat themselves. What do you think?

  • AMAT 73

    old timer,
    Well as you can see he has not convinced any of The Family into his way of thinking. He has a few needy followers but that’s about it . Now your post will be turned around by him into some sort of agreement with his way of thinking. As you can read most posts to him are of the joking manner because we all know this guy is a fool or as I prefer to address him “the village idiot” somewhat of a modern day Quasimoto . You need to look at him in the way my pal Jcaz says shitz and giggles and nothing more. So maybe he is winning in the fact of solidifing himself as the biggest idiot to come down the pike in quite a while and truely beating all comers even though buulfrog1 gave him a run for his money during baseball season.

  • http://rgd2626 old timer

    Amat 73
    I agree with most of what you say, but that is my point.My point being why even go there with him?That is what he wants.
    Just sayin
    It very well could be an x LA guy, who knows and who cares where he is from?And now you just opened up another can of worms for him.You bring up wanting to get back to the days when wining.

  • AMAT 73

    old timer,
    Well even the masses gave old Quasimoto water . So we throw the old dog a bone every now and then. Makes him happy in his own little AMAT world . I like to see him wag his tail once in a while.

  • http://rgd2626 old timer

    Amat 73
    Gotcha – But then you have these guys like just sayin – saying stupid things like he did to me.
    But I understand you.

  • great for the sgv

    Nice little conversation with yourself bishop73, you should call your PALS so they can boost your ego. You gotta give credit to the person who has original material and to some wanker that takes an old tired joke and slaps it on here. But then again this old bishop at it’s best!

    And this qoute from you, “I like to see him wag his tail once in a while”.
    Can’t figure out why you would want to see a man wagging anything!

  • NotSince1995

    OldMrs.Roper73
    .
    Of course they are Agreeing with me…What am I missing?
    .
    Lets See
    - No D-line (check)
    - No O-line (check)
    - No Wonderboy QB (check, check)
    - No depth in talent on the sidelines (check)
    - 6 years for Hags…What a joke! (check)
    - You can’t Win a CIF Championship in the Pac5! (check)
    - You’re just a “participant” in the Pac5 (check)
    .
    .
    And Servite is gonna kick your a$$ 35 – 3 on September 9th.
    .
    That just about covers it. Right…?
    .
    Which part aren’t we agreeing on…?
    .
    The Fact is that You’re just not that good…and the General plus everyone else in the SGV has confirmed it…
    .
    Your Arrogance and Ignorance makes the BishopNation blind…Conscience! That’s right…
    .
    Not In 2011 Either…

  • NotSince1995

    .
    How did Donkey74′s mom get pregnant…? Her continuing education teacher told her to do an essay…!
    .
    And she did…
    .
    You know you’re at the annual Amat 1st round playoff post-game post mortem when there is more blue plastic Tequila cups on the front yard (errrr LaPuente housing parking lot) than punch cups at little Juanito’s birthday party…
    .
    That’s right…
    .
    Not in 2011 either…

  • AMAT 73

    great for sgv,
    So I guess you consider notsince2010 a man based on your input. I know he is your mentor so I see it hurt your feelings and now you feel the need to protect him but you should learn to only speak when spoken to little one.Next time if the conversation comes up I will mention your name so you won’t feel left out. Now that you have gotten your shot of AMAT love , you can go in your corner and wag your tail too. By the way when is mentor going to teach you to cut and paste so you can be just like him ?

  • Colt74

    Top 10 reasons NotSince2010 is jealous of Bishop Amat.

    10.Their family reunions are not held at a bowling alley.
    9. Their cars don’t say “Fischer Price” on the back.
    8. Their houses don’t have wheels on them.
    7. Don’t say ” May I take your order? ” during a work day.
    6. Opposable thumbs
    5. Their kids can go outside during the day
    4. Their parents were not related before the wedding.
    3. English as a first language
    2. Annual Income
    1. IQ’s

  • Blog Police

    And here is ladies and gentleman….RACISTSINCE1995 has come out from under his rock! Welcome back Blog Bigot I was wondering when your repetitive, boring posts would give way to your true nature. You still add nothing of meaning to this blog. Let the racial attacks begin, huh? I can’t think of anything else to say so let me attack the hard working hispanic people of the City of La Puente, of which by the way, the Majority do not go to or support Bishop Amat you idiot!

  • AMAT 73

    Blog Police,
    You better watch out because notsince’s lap dog, great for sgv , might come out and attack you . Anytime someone posts something bad on notsince this little mutt comes out barking. If he persists we can get Jcaz’s neighbors Chihuahua on him.

  • great for the sgv2

    That just goes to show that bigots stick together. lancito and horse boy are made for each other. bishop boy how many times has your lil horse come to the rescue? you old boys are beyond comical!
    i went to school when Pat Haden was there……………..
    what were doing lancy, running the sidelines with a megaphone astride horse boy? with all this tough talk I at least would have thought you were on the team.

  • AMAT 73

    great for what,
    No tough talk here just having a little fun pulling your chain, little one. When are the caps going to start to show up in your posts. Boy you even use your mentors words now in your name calling . You youngsters are all alike . Cut and paste is on the horizon . Now go and chew on a sock or something little puppy.

  • Colt74

    I just love running that stick back and forth on the bars of your cages….it’s funnier than hell seeing how annoyed you get.

    You went to school when Pat Haden was there? Cool!
    Are you close to graduating yet?

  • NotSince1995

    .
    OldMrs.Roper73
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    You puppet and protector will be back from his Mexican load pick-up (errr vacation!) very soon, but for now have some balls and answer my question…
    .
    Which part isn’t your BishopNation/MyConverted agreeing on…? Answer the question – Pollito…!
    .
    The Fact is that You’re Just Not That Good…and the General plus everyone else from the BishopNation kicked your a$$ on this blog…and the SGV has confirmed it…
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    I am your Conscience! That’s right…
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    Not In 2011 Either…
    .

  • NotSince1995

    .
    There she is…look at her…it’s BlartTheMallBacon back on the stage…
    .
    You know you’re from the BishopNation if-
    - You share the same social security number with all your amigos
    - Your last name is Gonzalez-Rodriguez-Jesus
    - You have at least thirty cousins in your wedding party
    - There is at least one member in your family named Maria, Guadalupe, Juan, Jose, or Jesus
    - You see a fence and want to hop over it
    - You are too short to play O-Line
    - Others tell you to stop screaming when you are really just talking
    - You use your lips to point something out
    - Your mother yells at the top of her lungs to call you to dinner even if it’s a one bedroom apartment
    - The Halloween pumpkin on your front porch has more teeth than your spouse.
    - Youve been married three times and still have the same in-laws.
    - Your Junior/Senior prom had a daycare.
    .
    Notice I never mentioned a city, a town, a nationality, or an ethnic group.
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    Now what Blart…? What you gonna say now, little fart!
    .
    Tell Donkey74 I said,
    .
    “Not in 2011 Either…”
    .

  • great for the sgv

    I need to come on here and apologize after reading todays LA Times. Awesome write up on bishops expected dominance of the pac-5, sorry guys I was wrong. And bishop73 who went to school when to when Pat Haden PLAYED there, talk to pony74 on your playing days. Hurry up pony boy help a lancer out.

  • NotSince1995

    .
    Why don’t the Covina HS Colts teach driver’s Education and Sex Education on the same day?
    .
    Because they don’t want to wear out Colt74 on the same day…! LMAO…Ha, ha, ha, ha!
    .
    I WIN…Again…! That’s right!
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    Not In 2011 Either…
    .

  • NotSince1995

    .
    Los Angeles Times
    .
    August 2, 2011, 4:28 p.m.
    .
    Break out the champagne, roll out the red carpet and let the trumpets blast. It’s time to unveil the top five high school football teams…
    .
    No. 1: Anaheim SERVITE. When Coach Troy Thomas speaks, people need to listen. His teams have won or shared six consecutive Trinity League titles and won consecutive Pac-5 Division titles.
    .
    Oh…Oh! Can you say September 9th…?
    .
    No. 2: Mission Viejo…
    .
    No. 3: Mission Hills Alemany. There’s more overall team speed, better depth, and the defense should be superior, thanks to lineman Kyle DeVaughn, the reigning Serra League defensive most valuable player.
    .
    Oh…Oh! Can you say October 14th…?
    .
    No. 4: Corona Centennial.
    .
    No. 5: Santa Margarita.

    What other teams could crack the top five?

    Westlake Village Oaks Christian and Ventura St. Bonaventure are the favorites to win the Northern Division title. Santa Ana Mater Dei showed over the summer it has the talent to be a factor in the Trinity League. Long Beach Poly is loaded with outstanding skill-position players, but the Jackrabbits know they can’t regain their place at the top unless the offensive and defensive lines display improvement. Tesoro has a mix of young and veteran players that could lead the Titans to prominence.
    .
    eric.sondheimer@latimes.com
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    .
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    WAIT…! WAIT!
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    Eric…did you forget your annual ball washing of the BishopNation…?
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    No…?
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    Well, I guess I’ve Converted you too!
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    Not In 2011 Either…
    .

  • AMAT 73

    Looks like there’s action going on in the kennel . notsince and his lap dog are at an alarming pace. Trying for 300 hits there notsince.
    Old timer ,
    See what happens when you throw the mentor and his little pup a bone every now and then . Man I can see those tails wagging a furious pace. Heal boy heal .

  • great for the sgv

    You can have a mulligan for that last post bishop boy. Your posts are getting weaker.

  • AMAT 73

    great for notsince,
    Yes but you read it didn’t you lap dog. Now go find your mentor for some better comebacks . Go on now before you miss your afternoon bone little puppy.

  • NotSince1995

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    OldAndyGibbFanClubPresident73
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    You’ve been riden hard and put away wet…!
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    You and Donkey74 have nothing left…! Don’t wory your puppet Fred is back from Mexico (isn’t ironic that you run away from there but vacation there? just saying) and will be OK again…! LMAO!
    .
    You know its gonna be a terrible season for the BishopNation when even Eric Sondheimer of the LA Times doesn’t wash your balls…
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    You’re not even in his top 25 teams…! How terrible (errr funny) is that OldMrs.Rober73…?
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    Eric agrees with me too…
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    Not In 2011 Either…
    .

  • LecheroHillsHusky

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    Amat Bully
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    I heard from a few Damien parents over at MichaelAngelos in San Dimas that Alex Hernandez was failing at CO. He has a 1.9 gpa in the spring semester. Those parents are highly pissed at Gano and the school.
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    Little Thropay sucks at Chino Hills. I’ve seen him at practice. He’s got a long way to go and is no wher near being a Varsity QB.
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    And BishopNation will go 4 – 6 in 2011 without WonderBoy at QB.
    .
    Fight On, Amat Bully…
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    Not In 2011 Either…Lanceritos
    .

  • Hasn’tUsedThisNameSince2010

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  • Colt74

    Being a little bit of a hypocrite aren’t you there Nonsense? You make fun of Fred going to Mexico for his vacation but yet every summer I see you on the front lawns of BA, under the palm trees, BBQ’n a FRANK and drinking a CORONA. I heard that you told your family that BISHOP AMAT was Spanish for CLUB MED.

    Then later in the day I see you all running thru the sprinklers on the football field. What? Did you tell them that Kiefer was Spanish for Geyser too?

    Colt 74
    Nonsense 0

  • great for the sgv

    You clowns need to change your names to chevychase74 and kevinjames73.