Tribune Super 35 Rankings: Charter Oak looking strong at No. 1, Bishop Amat drops to No. 3

Tribune Super 35 Rankings
1. Charter Oak (5-1) — It’s not arguable anymore, Charter Oak is the best team in the area at the midway point after thoroughly dominating South Hills. Will they be good enough to run the table in the Sierra and last a few rounds in the Inland? Who knows, but it will be fun watching them try.
2. West Covina (6-1) – Because of the contrast in styles, West Covina and Charter Oak would be this year’s dream match-up. But after watching South Hills play both West Covina and Charter Oak, Bulldogs are a distant No. 2 — for now.
3. Bishop Amat (5-2) – For the past few years Amat has touted itself as an undersized blue-collar team that rolls up its sleeves and wins when its backs are against the wall. After last week’s lost to Alemany, it’s onto Crespi in almost a do-or-die situation. You don’t want to start 0-2 in the Serra.
4. Damien (5-1) – The Spartans started the season at No. 4 and have looked like the No. 4 team, but quiz time is over, the real tests come next. How they do against South Hills, Charter Oak and Chino Hills will answer all our questions.
5. Covina (6-1) – Are they back firing on all cylinders now that Billy Livingston is back at quarterback? We shall see, no more holding back, San Dimas is in town on Friday.
6. Chino Hills (3-3) – There is not a person in the Inland Empire that doesn’t believe the Huskies could beat any of our top five, and rightfully so considering the Huskies’ schedule. But they did lose some of those games in lopsided fashion. In any case, let’s see if they can defend the Sierra.
7. San Dimas (5-1) – Absolutely dominating over the last month punctuated with the big win over Monrovia. Now comes their biggest test since then, and against the most physical team they’ve faced since a season-opening loss to Bonita.
8. Los Altos (6-1) – You have to give them credit. In what was a stunning league-opening loss to Walnut, the Conquerors answered back with big wins over Rowland and Diamond Ranch. If they keep it going against Bonita this week, you may not be so quick to dismiss their chances against West Covina.
9. South Hills (3-3) — Only .500 and coming off a 63-28 loss No. 1 Charter Oak. So what, they’re still a top ten team and a good one. Don’t be surprised when they beat Damien and go toe-to-toe with Chino Hills.
10. Arroyo (5-1) -- The Knights haven’t looked like word beaters, but they’re off to another impressive start and their only loss is to powerful Hart. If they run the table in the improved Mission Valley, then yes, I will call them a legitimate Mid-Valley contender.
The rest: 11. Claremont (4-2), 12. Glendora (2-4), 13. La Puente (6-0), 14. Diamond Ranch (3-4), 15. Pomona (4-3), 16. El Monte (4-2), 17. Bonita (2-4), 18. Ayala (2-4), 19. Diamond Bar (2-4), 20. Walnut (2-5), 21. Azusa (3-3), 22. South El Monte (5-1), 23. Rosemead (3-3), 24. Rowland (2-4), 25. Nogales (3-4), 26. Duarte (4-1), 27. Baldwin Park (2-5), 28. Northview (1-5), 29. Workman (3-3), 30. Mountain View (3-3), 31. Sierra Vista (3-3), 32. Wilson (0-5), 33. Gladstone (1-5), 34. Ganesha (1-5), 35. Bassett (1-5).



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  • Just to Clarify

    Fred,

    Just to make sure I understand.

    Do you think CO and WC would beat Amat this year?

    Amat loses to the defending Serra League Champs by 4 points and they drop 3 spots?

    Just interested in your thoughts…

    BTW, Aram said he wanted to see how Amat did against a solid oponent. He’s been real quiet since then. I guess he saw that Amat can play with anyone, but rather than admit it he is just staying silent.

    Good job Aram!

  • FredJ

    At this point I would take Charter Oak, and think West Covina is a toss-up against Amat. It doesn’t mean Amat couldn’t beat both, they certainly could, but Charter Oak can play with anyone, you saw that against Rancho Cucamonga. The problem with Amat is playing smash-mouth football with teams bigger and stronger. They were able to get away with it the past few years, and this year you can get away with it against the Damien’s, La Mirada’s, and Garfields, but not in the Serra, and not against giants like Servite. Amat doesn’t get enough three-and-outs defensively, and offensively they’re real predictable. They may not have an athletic quarterback like Rio Ruiz again for a while, why not utilize him more? I realize he’s always under pressure, but you can counter that with letting him run too. But at the end of the day it’s not about Amat’s offense, they score enough to win and be in just about every game (with the exception of Servite). They need stops and need to stop giving up game-turning big plays, like they did against Alemany again on Friday, giving up that late first-half touchdown.

  • Amat Bully

    Just to Clarify
    are you sure amat can play with anyone. dont forget the Servite game.

  • AMAT 73

    Clarify,
    Don’t think it’s a matter of if teams ranked higher would beat the ones below them. It’s more you need to win the games in front of you to stay put or climb. They won , AMAT didn’t.

  • Lancelot

    amat girl Bullie Jean…..at least Amat DID PLAY SERVITE! Who has c.o. played of that Caliber or even HALF as close to that caliber? How about 1/3 as close? I’ll wait……

  • Anonymous

    The reason Charter Oak is so good this year is not only is there defense ( as a whole) better then last year but Travis Santiago has grown as a player and human 10 fold since last year and anybody who has watched CO play this year see that, and the way he can play the QB position is just crazy! He is by far the best player in the Valley and if it wasn’t for his height he would arguably be considered the top QB in the Southland! With him at QB they have a shot to beat anyone! No matter who the play they will never be taken lightly because not only is he the smartest passer with a very strong arm, he can run for miles and will run you over. He’s my area MVP and look for him to get CO to the CIF finals and potentially win it granted they stay healthy from here on out.

  • FredJ

    What we don’t know about Charter Oak is what happens when they face a team that puts Santiago under pressure. What happens if they face a team like Upland, Corona Centennial or Vista Murrieta, who will certainly have guys coming off the edge breathing down his neck. Charter Oak faced one team, Rancho Cucamonga, that you can compare with Amat facing Alemany/Servite or West Covina playing Loyola. In that game Charter Oak only scored 13 points, and Santiago had two picks on no touchdown passes, though he did throw for 295 yards with 40 attempts. But I do agree, with time to operate, Santiago is the best in the business locally, he’s like watching Steve Young, and not only is he a greatp passer and runner, he competes and is football smart, a great combination. However, don’t forget Arroyo’s Steve Rivera, who is having a better year statistically on offense (if you can believe it), plus Rivera is one of the area’s best defensive players. In terms of MVP and total importance, those two stand out for sure. Now ask yourself, who has a better chance of a deep playoff run, Charter Oak in the Inland or Arroyo in the Mid-Valley? It’s close.

  • just askin’

    Fred – you start by saying “It’s not arguable anymore, Charter Oak is the best team in the area” – then you write, “It doesn’t mean Amat couldn’t beat both, they certainly could,”

    Doesn’t that make it “arguable”?

  • FredJ

    Not arguable in terms of “who deserves it,” and head-to-head, I would pick Charter Oak over Amat if they played on Friday. But Certainly, Chino Hills at No. 6 is capable of beating Charter Oak too, but with three losses, and some lopsided losses, you wouldn’t rank them ahead of Charter Oak….but they could win…..

  • Anonymous

    Rivera is good, but the level of comp doesn’t compare to Travis’s plus Travis as an athlete puts him way ahead of Steven! Though he is a good passer he doesnt have the intangibles that Travis does! If CO were to play Rancho again, it would be a complete different outcome. One of CO’s starting lineman Jo Jo Aranda tore his ACL and Meniscus the week before was a huge loss pryor to the Rancho game. All I’m saying is with Travis and Scoob back there in the backfield and Aaron and Glichrist to throw to, as well as super glue hands Bobo! That in itself keeps them in the hunt! But Travis makes everything happen as you can see how he ran on South hills himself! He is Fast and runs like he’s Jerome Bettis! He’s the best QB CO has had in the last decade maybe in the whole existence of the school! That’s how you know he’s a stud!

  • Man in the Mirror

    Anymouse – Read what you just wrote to discount Riveras performance
    “…but the level of comp doesn’t compare…”
    Remember it.

  • Lancelot

    IMHO-That Allen kid was no slouch at QB for c.o. back in the day.

  • Anonymous

    @ Lancelot- no he was no joke either but I think when you look at the whole picture Travis is an overall better athlete! Chris was an awesome QB though no doubt! @ man in the mirror- ill take that to my grave!

  • Man in the Mirror

    Anymouse – As would I. could that also be applied to CO? Can you really know how good Chris Allen was when the 1st championship they didn’t beat a team with a winning record until the final game of the season? They beat a .500 league rival in the finals. Twice! That “level of comp doesn’t compare”

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/tribpreps/2011/10/tribune-super-3-8.html Paul

    i really have nothing against Amat, but their fans make it pretty hard to like them, they boast when they win and make excuses when they lose, and , well… at least we play Servite, , beat them then , then you can talk, and give other schools some credit please,

  • Rocky

    Paulie Boy – please. Amat is like 25-1 vs the blowhards on this blog (which includes Charter Oak and Rancho Cucamonga) – which is who this list compares them to. In the last three years they have wins over Orange Lutheran, St Bonaventure, Mater Dei, Crespi, Notre Dame, Loyola, Alemany, St Francis, Chaminade, St Paul, Dominguez, Venice,and swept, Damien, Diamond Ranch, and West Covina. Any questions?

  • SGV FAN

    Paulie-most of that garbage on the blogs these days is coming from two idiots from both sides amat&co who like barking at eachother. Most fans on here know good football and have no problem giving props where props are due.

  • RCFOOTBALL

    Rocky your like all the Amat fans, you are living in the past. Who cares about the teams you beat last year or the year before. High School teams change dramatically every year.

    CO would beat Amat this year, maybe not last year or maybe not next year, but this year I would pick CO to beat Amat.

    They Have Santiago who is a stud, Gilcrest and Scoby get it done. They have good size and plenty of athletes to get the job done. They will win Sierra league and will be a very tough out in the playoffs.

  • http://www.htp.com TR-P-Town

    We shot ourselves in the foot against Covina, so its obvious we will have to wait for this weeks Cov. S.D. showdown and week 10 vs. S.D. to prove not only to the sgv but to ourselves that we are the team we thought we would be.

  • Rocky

    RC – and who are you to pop off? We’re not realy sure if you guys are any good and we’ll have to wait until Friday to find out. Who have you beat this year that is realy any good? What exactly are you hanging your hat on?

  • RCFOOTBALL

    Rocky,

    Now you monitor the comments and approve entries and who qualifies and who does not? RC has beaten nobody except Charter Oak that is ranked above you and considered by most knowlegeable football fans to be better than you. RC is not any good, but we are better than you all..hahahaha!

  • AMAT 73

    rc football,
    Yes you beat CO but it’s not like you just whacked the hell out of them . I would love to see a rematch and I believe that get sweet revenge. Like I have been saying everybody has opinions on who would beat who . They back them up with ratings, rankings, projections but in reality until the game is played the’re all just opinions. We as AMAT fans live in the present until some fan feeling their oats comes on here with their opinion that today their team would beat AMAT . Easy to say WHEN YOU DON’T PLAY US and history or the past as you say shows when it did happen we beat you , correct. As far as present times let’s see just how you do against Upland . If you beat them great and I am sure we hear all about it , but not sure we will see you when they whack the hell out of you. And don’t kid yourself , you are not better than us as history shows when you tried you failed because that’s all we have to go by and unless you can come up with some proof to the contrary lately face that fact. The we beat them who would beat you does not work especially when the team you beat HAS NOT PLAYED US even though they are the #1 team in the SGV and rightfully so but I am sure some WC people feel different about that . But that’s just my opinion.

  • 12th man

    All of these weakly rankings & projected outcomes & Maxpreps,Calpreps mean absolutely “Nothing”!!…When its all said & done we will take a look at who did what..I guarantee you West Covina will be at the top of the list followed by perhaps Covina???..As far as Charter Oak & Bishop Amat or even Damien..well lets just say they had a good season & hopefully they can learn from there mistakes & become a stronger team next year..(
    none of these teams will make a deep playoff run)…Chino Hills is young & has injuries..but they have a strong program & could make some noise come playoff time (perhaps win 2 playoff games)….As far as the best QB in the valley..you cant overlook what Steven Rivera is doing over at Arroyo(ranked #6 in passing in California) crazy numbers..no one even close to his numbers~

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvfootball Aram

    12th Man,

    Great takes. And your best point is about to Rivera. EVERYBODY GET OUT TO ARROYO ON THURSDAY AND SEE THIS KID PLAY! He’s got 20 TDs and nearly 1900 yards already. Four more TDs on the ground. Huge plays all over on defense.

    He deserves YOU ALL seeing him and you all SHOULD see him at least once.

    5-1 South El Monte vs. 5-1 Arroyo

  • Amat Bully

    AMAT 73

    “we Amat fans live in the present”

    Who are you lying to, everyone knows Amat only has the past to brag about and Amat fans always bring it up first. RC football dont go for that lie.

    But i finally agree with you Fredj im glad you see it how the rest of the SGV see’s it CO is the better team in the SGV and a game with WC in my opinion would be a good one but the size and talent of CO would overwhelm them by the 2nd half and eventually make the score board show a score that doesn’t say how the game went.

  • Amat Bully

    Its funny how all of a sudden all the Amat fans are saying that these rankings and ratings means nothing. just last week it was a big argument on how Amat rating is higher than such and such school or how the opponents Amat faced are ranked higher than any opponent Co faced. You fans are sad every year all you talk about is how high your division is ranked or where your team is ranked now that you don’t have any of that besides the division ranking all of a sudden rankings ratings or CALPREPS projection means nothing. i had several back and forth arguments about how CALPREP is 80% accurate or about how FRED has a better overall prediction record over ARAM. DAMM YOU AMAT FANS ARE PATHETIC and now its talk about oh all that matters is the head to head matchups which is the PAST you always find ways to bring up the past SHUT UP accept the fact that other SGV teams are better than you now in the PRESENT.

  • Amat Bully

    And if rankings meant nothing then why every year you amat fans keep saying CO doesn’t play anybody or RC is the only ranked team or step up game they play. GET REAL YOU AMAT FANS ARE BIG CRY BABIES. Just yesterday an Amat fan says oh wow you guys faced a #222 ranked SH teams when Amat played a #37 ranked Alemany. But you say you don’t care about rankings all of a sudden or how much you guys praise yourselves for playing SERVITE and the reason why you praise yourselves is because they’re ranked number 1. i dont see Amat bragging about playing Damien or Cathedral or maybe even Venice. But the craziest part is SERVITE is in your division, if you make it to the playoffs there is a possibility that you might play them again. Basically the only reason why you amat fans brag about playing SERVITE is because they are ranked number 1.

  • AMAT 73

    valley guy,
    Look it up as I have always said that about any rankings. The formulas have no basis as they take last year into account and in high school teams change each year . It’s just like your ignorant azz to take a line out of context and twist it your favor. I know you learned that from your hero Quasimoto . Your having a constant battle with Lancelot and making it out to be all of AMAT bloggers. Well it’s not it’s a one on one you and him period. The problem is like I wrote to rc football , just because your having a good season does not mean you would beat AMAT . Funny how to you Fred J was such a big azzhole but now that he has CO at # 1 he your best buddy and you agree with everything he writes. Now if and when CO plays AMAT again we will see but up until then it’s only a dream of yours or Cal Prep projections or Trib rankings and so forth that they get the W. As anyone with any football sense will tell you , it’s settled on the field not on paper . Enjoy the number one ranking you deserve it . Good luck this week against that Sierra beast Ayala. Didn’t want to go there with you but you forced my hand . By the way are you sure your with Fred because he is picking us over Crespi on Friday . Or are we going to see another one of your famous self correcting post.

  • Amat Bully

    Come on Amat Fans if you don’t care about rankings then why do you bring up the fact that you played SERVITE. i know it has nothing to do with their uniforms or the coaches are child hood friends. why do you always bring them up if you don’t care about rankings?

  • Amat Bully

    AMAT 73
    I still don’t like Fredj nothings changed there. i just agreed with him on his ranking. unlike some of you Amat fans that didn’t agree scroll down and check it out. But can you please answer my question.

    and you are one of the many Amat fans that continue to bring up the fact that you played against SERVITE.

    why do you guys continue to mention the fact that you played SERVITE if you didnt care about rankings?

  • Damien Grad _ Amat Dad

    I just have one question for “Amat Bully”…how much of a loser are you that you have to have a hater-type screen name? How pathetic! Why not be a supporter of a team instead of a hater of one particular school. What jersey do you wear on Friday nights…one that says “Bishop Amat’s Opponent”? What a real tough guy. Let me guess, 3rd string JV player who never made varsity?

  • Bulldog 4 Life

    @Amat Bully-
    hey i dnt remember if it was you or some other CO fan, but one of you said ya’ll were going to win league. and made that statement very proud.
    now i have a question and i aint being a smart ass..

    do you guys get rings for winning your league or just a t shirt????

  • Amat Bully

    Damien Grad _ Amat Dad:
    Its never good for sensitive parents to come on the blog, but you did anyway. I guess your new to this but there is a few screen names like mines it just so happens that my screen name hurt your precious feelings, remember we teach our kids that words are just what they are words they shouldn’t hurt you but obviously they did poor you. But if your referring to my playing days i don’t like talking about the past to much nor will i bash your son. But if thats your way of bailing amat out of answering the question then its not going to work just worry about your son next game and leave the blog alone i don’t want you to get your feelings hurt again old timer.

  • Big Dogg

    South Hills will bounce back and beat Damien on Friday.

  • Amat Bully

    Bulldog 4 Life
    it probably was me and i think we still are going to win league. And i don’t know what CO will get for winning league but i do know it will be documented down that CO has yet accomplished another milestone. Meaning if CO does win the league then it could be safe to say that CO probably will own whatever league they enter, only step after that will be to win it all. oh and CO will have the bragging rights in that league for a year.

  • FYI

    Maxpreps all scoring stats based on SOS:
    1
    Tanner Trosin
    Folsom (CA) 459.5 36 36.300 743.74 – –
    2
    Larry Cutbirth
    Etiwanda (CA) 347.3 24 43.900 684.58 – –
    3
    Kevin Mc Mahon
    Carson (CA) 319.5 2 48.400 683.17 – –
    4
    Zach Kline
    San Ramon Valley (Danville, CA) 353.0 6 42.100 670.75 – –
    5
    Hayden Gavett
    Centennial (Corona, CA) 240.5 6 51.900 631.75 – –
    6
    Troy Williams
    Narbonne (Harbor City, CA) 223.5 18 46.600 578.99 – –
    7
    Andrew Chavez
    Chino Hills (CA) 286.0 12 37.900 574.25 – –
    8
    Brandon Rogers
    Roosevelt (Corona, CA) 341.5 6 30.600 573.00 – –
    9
    SIR-DEVONTA STEWART
    Berkeley (CA) 293.0 12 36.600 571.50 – –
    10
    Justin Moore
    Westlake (Westlake Village, CA) 264.0 18 36.400 542.99 – –
    11
    Matt Morin
    Chaparral (Temecula, CA) 158.5 12 49.000 530.00 – –
    12
    Michael Darr
    Santiago (Corona, CA) 278.7 6 33.100 528.92 – –
    13
    Romello Goodman
    Centennial (Corona, CA) 133.5 6 51.900 524.75 – –
    14
    Jake Rodrigues
    Whitney (Rocklin, CA) 276.5 24 31.300 519.24 – –
    15
    Chris Forbes
    Terra Nova (Pacifica, CA) 362.7 6 19.900 513.92 – –
    16
    Nolan Sorensen
    Buchanan (Clovis, CA) 387.0 2 15.600 504.67 – –
    17
    Johnny Stanton
    Santa Margarita (Rancho Santa Margarita, CA) 248.5 18 33.300 504.24 – –
    18
    Travis Santiago
    Charter Oak (Covina, CA) 342.0 24 20.000 499.99 – –
    19
    Jalen Ward
    St. Mary’s (Stockton, CA) 141.0 18 46.900 498.74 – –
    20
    Tofi Paopao
    Oceanside (CA) 137.5 6 47.500 495.75 – –
    21
    Rene Medina
    St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) 276.3 6 28.900 495.08 – –
    22
    Michael Baker
    Central (Fresno, CA) 239.5 6 31.100 474.75 – –
    23
    Jarrod Lawson
    Valley Christian (San Jose, CA) 144.5 24 42.600 471.99 – –
    24
    Dallas Lopez
    Downey (CA) 310.7 18 19.800 465.16 – –
    25
    DEREK STEWART
    Cabrillo (Long Beach, CA) 289.3 52 20.600 461.15 – –

  • FYI

    Maxpreps passing rankings based on SOS:
    California Football Player Passing Rankings
    1
    # Player YDS/G TDS SOS Current Previous Change
    1
    Tanner Trosin
    Folsom (CA) 402.3 15 36.300 704.50 – –
    2
    Kevin Mc Mahon
    Carson (CA) 319.5 5 48.400 692.50 – –
    3
    Larry Cutbirth
    Etiwanda (CA) 289.0 8 43.900 634.25 – –
    4
    Zach Kline
    San Ramon Valley (Danville, CA) 305.0 3 42.100 626.75 – –
    5
    Joe Bresson
    Centennial (Bakersfield, CA) 325.5 4 38.700 623.75 – –
    6
    Bowe Merin
    St. Mary’s (Stockton, CA) 224.5 5 46.900 586.25 – –
    7
    Brandon Rogers
    Roosevelt (Corona, CA) 311.0 3 30.600 546.50 – –
    8
    Dashown Fletcher
    Washington Union (Fresno, CA) 301.5 8 30.200 544.00 – –
    9
    Troy Williams
    Narbonne (Harbor City, CA) 182.5 1 46.600 534.00 – –
    10
    Hayden Gavett
    Centennial (Corona, CA) 136.5 2 51.900 529.75 – –
    11
    Ryan McMahon
    Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA) 150.0 1 49.900 526.25 – –
    12
    Andrew Chavez
    Chino Hills (CA) 225.0 5 37.900 519.25 – –
    13
    Austin Bray
    Kingsburg (CA) 272.0 9 30.100 515.75 – –
    14
    GERRY MYRES
    La Mirada (CA) 196.0 3 41.500 513.25 – –
    15
    Matt Morin
    Chaparral (Temecula, CA) 136.5 2 49.000 508.00 – –
    16
    Nolan Sorensen
    Buchanan (Clovis, CA) 389.0 1 15.600 508.00 – –
    17
    Jeff Lockie
    Monte Vista (Danville, CA) 284.5 7 26.800 499.50 – –
    18
    Rene Medina
    St. John Bosco (Bellflower, CA) 267.7 6 28.900 496.42 – –
    19
    Justin Moore
    Westlake (Westlake Village, CA) 209.5 4 36.400 490.50 – –
    20
    Tofi Paopao
    Oceanside (CA) 127.0 2 47.500 487.25 – –
    21
    Chris Forbes
    Terra Nova (Pacifica, CA) 312.7 12 19.900 485.92 – –
    23
    Jake Rodrigues
    Whitney (Rocklin, CA) 224.5 8 31.300 475.25 – –
    25
    Zack Fixen
    Palos Verdes (Palos Verdes Estates, CA) 178.0 3 37.800 467.50 – –
    26
    Dominic Miroglio
    Bishop O’Dowd (Oakland, CA) 281.3 10 20.900 458.08 – –
    27
    Bobby Heatherington
    Del Oro (Loomis, CA) 182.3 7 34.400 454.25 – –
    1

  • Oldschool

    @Freddy,Alemany makes big plays against every team they play,they are a big play team and rely on there ability to make big plays.wide receiver steven mitchell even made john jackson allstars as the best receiver to have played on fox sports telecasts.Jackson mentioned his ability to make big plays. how can you even rank west covina in top 3 when they got blown out by Loyola by 30 points or so. If Amat even loses to Loyola it would be a close game.to bad west covina doesnt play any other good teams so you can see how overated they are.Charter is definitely number 1 at the moment,but if Amat puts it together and wins the next 3 games I would move them back up to number 1,just based on the level of competition.

  • just sayin’

    Bully Boy – call it what you want, rankings or whatever, but the reason everyone brings up Servite, the Serra League, and the Pac 5 is because they are in Division 1 – and it’s called division 1 for a reason. When you try to quantify it (have someone look that up for you) it comes out in numbers or rankings.
    Can some of the top teams compete? A few. ChOak not being one of them. But then the middle teams in Division 2 would get stomped by the middle teams in Division 1. And the bottom teams in Division 2 are miserable, while only a couple Division 1 teams are. THAT’S how you compare an entire Division – not just with a few schools.
    But the Pac 5 are top to bottom the best teams in the best leagues in the best division in the State. They happen to be ranked – but they are just flat out good. Better than the Sierra for darn sure. Ayala? There are no Ayalas in the Serra League. Sorry. Facts.

  • AmnataChampion

    Ok, I am officially tired of this Coach Hagerty guy!

    This guy no longer has a plan for Amat. He has no vision and no stretegery for how to win in 2011 or the future. I for one am tired of seeing Amat not win. I’ve run out excuses!

    Charter Oak and West Covina have shown they can develop talent and win year after year. They compete and they win! Pretty soon South Hills and Damien will there also. When is Amat going to do it? I think it’s time to cut bait and go in a different direction! Crespi is going to hand Amat there a$$ and there is nothing that small offensive line can do about.

    CalPreps predicts a 36 – 21 Victory for the Crespi Celts!

  • AmnataChampion

    FredJ

    After Amat gets HUMILIATED by the Crespi Celts on Friday night, will you then have the testicular fortitude to drop them from the Top 10 rankings?

    Based on your comments above, it sounds like you’ve finally seen what Aram and I have seen since back in July. It’s time to pull the trigger FredJ. Jump ship and join the winning teams in the SGV.

    Amat is a Sinking Ship…

    - No League Championship
    - No Playoffs
    - No CIF Championship! Again!

    Seventeen years and Counting…

    .

  • Amat Bully

    just gayin’
    LOL im glad you decided to join the show. you were the main one who brought up all the ratings and rankings junk to begin with. Now your sitting back trying to justify why everyone is bringing up the fact that they played SERVITE but yet now they claim they dont care about rankings and things. Also you can say that division 1 is the best when we all know the inland division 2 is actually the best, proven by head to head matchups this year against your pac5. but help me understand this why do you guys feel the need to bring up the fact that you played against a team in your own division?

    But let me get this straight according to you milkikan, compton, fountain valley, dana hills and etc…. would smash on and these are middle of the pack division 2 teams Norco, Charter oak, JW north who already beat your Serra league front runner Chino hills los osos. then basically the division 3 teams like west lake oak christian and St. boni wouldn’t even be considered a threat at all in the pac5.

    But then again its all opinionated by you no facts so your argument don’t stick because we would never know if the bottom of the pac5 would run through the middle of the inland division .

  • Amat Bully

    just gayin’
    according to the rankings and ratings CO has a better chance of winning the Serra league then Amat.

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/tribpreps/2011/10/tribune-super-3-8.html Paul

    Rockie boy, thanks for proving my point, any ?’s yea no CIF title in how many years?,

  • AMAT 73

    valley guy,
    First off saying AMAT played Servite sounds a hell of a lot better than saying AMAT played rc as a step up game. Second AMAT did not play them for ranking purposes, AMAT played them to play against the best out there.Third how stupid are you to think the game was for ranking purposes. Do you think West Covina played MD , AMAT , and now Loyola for ranking purposes. It’s to gauge the team against the best or some of the best out there. But how could or would you know that considering who you root for . You are one of the ones who was crying as to how weak AMAT’s schedule has been . Lo and behold AMAT schedules the number 1 team in all CIF and it was done for rankings???? The game may have not ended as we would have liked but AMAT played the game. Now we are past the Servite game and in a battle for league and you not me chose to bring up Servite . You brought it up and I hope my post answers your question from this LANCERS point of view. Now a question for you . Do you think CO would ever put Servite on their schedule. Maybe even J Serra. Say what you want about Damien , because I know you will soon start foaming at the mouth with their alumni and fans , but they faced 2 PAC-5 teams this year so becareful of them . WC has played PAC-5 teams for a few years now . What can you say about your team’s resume ??? Don’t you think it’s time they step up and play a PAC-5 team even if it is old down and out AMAT . After all you say they are the best in the SGV don’t you ???

  • AMAT 73

    valley guy,
    Another thing I forgot to mention to you . You better run over to the Coach Lou thread. The’re beating up on your coach pretty good and also on your team . Now quit worrying about AMAT and go defend your own team which is something you will have to start doing soon , so get in the practice while you can.

  • Amat Bully

    Amat 73
    I think you been up to long, what makes you think that i think the SERVITE game was for ranking purposes. NO idiot i stated that the reason why you guys keep bringing up the SERVITE game is because SERVITE is ranked number 1 and you guys shedule the #1 team. but you fans go on to now say you dont care about rankings and etc…..when you clearly do but now that CO is ranked ahead and im rubbing it in your face you all of a sudden talk down on rankings and saying “its all opinionated its BS its blah blah blah” but when you lost your excuse was Amat lost to the number 1 team what do you expect they’re ranked number 1 for a reason at least Amat had the balls to schedule the top ranked team. sounds a little hypocritical now that CO is ranked ahead of you and now rankings mean nothing, don’t you think.

    And coach Lou is a big boy he can handle his own [age and CO will handle their business come friday worry about playoff missing Hag.

  • AMAT 73

    valley guy,
    You forgot to answer the scheduling question . Do you think CO would ever schedule Servite or MD or even Loyola ???? Aren’t you the best as you say . And now what rankings are you reading about CO’s chances winning the Serra .They would have to play them first and we know that will never happen , maybe while you dream but you would soon wake up to reality.

  • Amat Bully

    AMAT 73
    im done for the night going back and forth because you amat fans that all of a sudden don’t go off of rankings and ratings fail to answer a few question.

    But to answer you question RC is ranked 25 and thats higher than one of the teams you named MD, is that not high enough for you or would you like for CO to remove RC to play a lower ranked opponent. But i have nothing to do with CO scheduling. and according to ratings CO rating is higher than Amats CO offense and defense rating is higher indicating that CO has a better team and chance then amat.

  • Dan

    I haven’t had a chance to see Amat this year but I have seen them the past three previous years. Whenever I saw them, they were physical and executed well especially with the run game.
    On defense they were discipline and would close to the ball very quickly. Something tells me if they were able to hang within 5 points of Alemany then they are still close to that caliber that I saw last year against Crespi. The doubt starts to come in with the blowout loss to Servite, I’m not sure last years Amat team would have been blown out like that.
    I saw Charter Oak against Glendora and they looked impressive at the skill positions, they look like they have the team speed on defense that is on the level with Amat. The achilles heel for the Chargers that night was their run defense, Glendora was able to run effectively on CO and keep the Charger offense off the field for long periods of time, Glendora scored a TD that was called back otherwise they would have been up at halftime in that game. I don’t know if CO has since shored up that run defense, if so then Amat and CO would be a very good game, if not then I give the edge to Amat. West Covina is also in the ballpark with both of these teams, they have the similar team speed on defense these past two years to match up with Amat and CO, what they lack is a Maurice Dupleasis at lb and Deon steps on D line to help plug up the middle like they had with last years team. On offense, if we can get consistancy from the QB position and develope a short passing game, along with getting Solomon back too full speed to compliment Frazier and Salgado I think this team will be scary. Till then we’re still scary, but I would favor the two previous teams mentioned in a close game.

  • eastsider

    Serra League is still up for grabs.alemany,crespi and amat are not as good as last year.loyola and notre dame improved which make it a balance league.I only see the league champ having a chance in the first round,unless they have to play the trinity 3rd place team which probably would beat any serra league team. i dont see any serra league teams finishing in the pac 5 top 8. amat and charter would be a good game,but i dont see it happening,like daylon and rodney said last week,valley teams dont want to play amat,except for damien and now chino hills.west covina would not hang against amat.

  • GoAMAT

    Amat has and will always have CO haters. There is no way that CO can rate like AMAT. That’s why CO didn’t want to play us for the last two or so years. Therefore we had to play Garfield Venice and so on because they were not scared. So hate on and talk your talk. You will never be to being AMAT. So hate on!!! We love our boys even if we lose!! GO BISHOP AMAT!!!!!!

  • GoAMAT

    Amat has and will always have CO haters. There is no way that CO can rate like AMAT. That’s why CO didn’t want to play us for the last two or so years. Therefore we had to play Garfield Venice and so on because they were not scared. So hate on and talk your talk. You will never be close to being AMAT. So hate on!!! We love our boys even if we lose!! GO BISHOP AMAT!!!!!!

  • Lance R

    CO at #1 sure why not they deserve it, for now. It makes sence they are winning and Amat just took a loss at home to Alemany. Amat 2 losses on their record and CO just 1. Question if we reversed their schedules how would CO be ranked playing Amats schedule this year?, where would Amat be ranked playing CO schedule this year?? I do agree with the rankings, you do have to win to stay on top because SGV Trib. rankings go by wins and losses. Who would win this year between the two is a good debate but the game is not going to happen so why the debate to begin with. A Amat loss this Friday and sure drop them somemore it is what it is, a win for Amat friday and they move back to the top because of who they played Crespi. The fact is Amat is struggling on defense and their lines are not big, this has noting to do with Hagerty or coaching they are undersized on their lines and they are playing pac 5 football league play. It’s do or die friday at Crespi which by the way has huge offensive linemen so Amat needs to come up huge and should it not go our way, like someone else mentioned we still stick by our players and staff win or lose and we remain proud of them to the end. You have to play Amat to have a real arguement as to how you compare to them. Games are won and loss on the field and not in this blog. I am all for the ranking order and agree with it but take a moment and close your eyes and envision that your league schedule is the Serra league and tell me including playing Amat what would CO’s record be? Well we would never know because again games are won and loss on the field not in a SGV tribune Rankings. Good Luck to both teams this Friday.

  • Sierra League Fan

    GoAMAT,
    So you are telling me that all the pac 5 and inland division schools were “afraid” to play Amat? Really? What has Amat done to be afraid of? They have not gotten out of the 2nd round of the payoffs for years. Don’t get me wrong, I think Amat is one of the top programs in the SGV, but they really are not that dominant, especially this year. I think it is great that Amat and Chino Hills could finally work out their schedules and play each other next year. I think that should be a great game. I know CH isn’t afraid to “play up”. They did get their butts kicked by Tesoro and Rev, but both games were close into the 3rd qtr. Those “step up” games are really going to pay off in league, they could have played a soft schedule and been 5-0 or 4-1 like the rest of the league, but that wouldn’t help prepare them for the tough Sierra league and inland division playoffs. I think Amat should have played a couple more step up games beside Servite…their schedule was soft. It did nothing to prepare them for the Serra league competition.

  • somebody please

    change the channel:to all : i know everyone here is tired of the jobless CO bloggers here, no worries by looking at their frosh/jv teams it looks like they are DONE for a while! They know that, so they are trying to blog while they can everyone has their good and bad games besides they don’t call them CHoak for nothing! Im tired of reading all day how by the computer we are better then you blah blah blah shut your pie hole and tell your jeriatric coach to schedule the games! If you want to be called the best first try beating the best and quit hiding and scheduling these smaller teams to run up your stats! If my aunt had balls she would be my uncle!

  • Genius

    C Oak won’t be done for a while. Regardless of what Frosh/JV team you’ve seen. A core group of the Varsity this year are Sophomores. Sorry to disappoint you.

  • Chino Hills Fan

    Amat Fans,
    What type of talent does Amat have coming back next year? I know Ruiz is graduating, but what about other talent? Chino Hills is very young on defense this year and all the skill kids besides our QB on offense are underclassmen. On offense we will return 6 starters and on D we will return 7. It should be a good matchup between the 2 school the next 2 years.

  • lmao

    genius : #2 is the only player on your team! without him your DONE!

  • 12th man

    Amat start utilizing Rio the rite way~…You have no line!! You cant drop back in the pocket & look for recievers thats just crazy~ your asking for trouble (sack,interception,fumble)…Bishop Amat’s best chance in making any noise or winning out the last 3 games is to turn every game into a barnburner…Score as many points as you can..Dont rely on the defense to bail you out to get the win~…Start using the “No Huddle Spread” early in the game..keep the opponent off balance through out the game…It would have been nice to see BA run the triple option just like Nebraska did during the 90′s..Rio is athletic & can run the ball once he gets into the open..The problem is..He is taking a 3 step drop and has no blocking or time to find anyone deep…With the triple option you can roll out & either pitch it to Jalen or you can stop & throw to a reciever & if all else fails just run with the ball~..Its football 101~ If you have no line utelize your speed & the field from side to side!..The Serra league will only get tougher to run up the middle against..”Compensate” for the undersized line & start going to a “No Huddle” & turn the game into a Stamina & Strategic factor!! Dont give the opposing defense enough time to defend or make the necessary subs..It can be done~

  • great for the sgv

    All this arguing over nothing, bishop is #1 in the SGV without a doubt! All everyone talks about is the Servite game-remember bishop held back on their play book as they didn’t want to show everyone else their weapons. And I always look at how tough they played city power Garfield. They held Garfield to ZERO points, just look at what Garfield has done to their opponents. Let’s not forget that Garfield lost to Southeast, I’m sure bishop would be able to squeeze out a victory against them too. Listen to bishop73 he knows what he’s talking about-not!

  • Big Lou

    Yeah! That’s right!

    Bishop Amat isn’t all that.

    But they are good enough to whoop our A$$es, that’s why we won’t schedule them.

    I’m no dummy!

    Don’t tell anyone I said that.

    Good job Aram for pumping us up!

  • Dan

    Eastsider,
    In 2009, while missing three of their team captains, and having new varsity players at the 7 positions we lost by the total injuries we had, West Covina was tied 7 to 7 at the half with Amat, the game was 14 to 7 well into the 4th quarter. Amat scored one more td in the 4th to make the final score 21 to 7. Now for you to say WC can’t hang with Amat I’m gonna guess it’s just ignorance on your part. Or could it be arrogance?

  • 40yardline

    Last year’s 40 yard line crew is at the Pueblo. They will meet again at W-N.V. game

  • AMAT 73

    Chino Hills,
    We have a very good QB in the wings and a couple of good running backs also . Some big kids on the JV’s who are just to young and unseasoned to come up to Varsity , 10th graders . We have some talent in the wings and the freshman and JV’s both beat Alemany so things look bright .

  • just sayin’

    not so good for the sgv – Southeast is 6-0 and Garfield has given them the best game and scored the most pts against them all season. They scored 26 vs Dorsey (who beat Alemany and only lost to REV by 2) just cuz you never get off your couch and outta the fish bowl to ever hear of any team the Trib doesn’t write about doesn’t mean they aren’t any good.

  • 2 sides of the same coin

    Here’s what’s great. It’s a headline when Amat arbitrarily drops to number THREE. Others celebrate #3. That tells you all you need to know. Amazing that WC is #2 with such close wins over Glendora, South Hills, and Covina. Not #2 kind of dominance by any stretch.

  • great for the sgv

    just sayin’

    Did I say anything to the contrary?

    You also forgot to add that I was a 3rd string jv player that got cut after the second game.

  • Bulldogs have bite

    2 sides,

    Yes it is amazing that WC is at #2. Considering the injuries the Bulldogs had to overcome. Not many public schools in the area would perform at the same level and win games if they lost their starting QB and Flanker and Stud RB/S in the first game of the season.

    I wonder how well Amat would do without Rio, Moore and Sanchez in the game or not at 100%?

    Like your name says, 2 sides of the same coin!

  • http://www.insidesocal.com/tribpreps/2011/10/tribune-super-3-8.html#comments The ghost of Bishop Amat

    Hate to break the news to all you BA lovers but RIO Ruiz is a great athlete but with that being said it should be changed to GREAT BASEBALL player. The kid doesn’t hold a candle to 20 QB’s in this area– HADEN, SCIARRA, McDONALD, come on you brain washed football supposed know it alls— Lets see if he throws for 500 yards the next 3 games he will barely make 1000 yards for the season. What kind of QB does that— All i see is balls at recievers ankles– passes behind the recievers and frankly alot of hot air when he talks to his teammates. The kid is an EXCEPTIONAL BASEBALL player– he can hit– field? well that too falls in his QB anaysis– Without question Million Dollar BASEBALL player– NO college for football though friends.

  • Pony show….

    I don’t know how Covina is ranked over San Dimas. Covina has not beat anyone good. They are all hype…last year Aram and Fred did the same thing and pumped them up, and they couldn’t get out the 2nd round in the midvalley…and guess what…the same thing is going to happen this year too. They by far the most hyped team in the valley. I would be comfortable with them at 10. They are not better than Chino Hills, South Hills, or Los Altos, and I have them 5th in the mid valley. Fred and Aram you are going to get burned backing them.

    1. San Dimas
    2. Maranatha
    3. Monrovia
    4. Whittier Christian
    5. “Covina”

  • CO CO CO…….XXXOOO

    Travis Santiagooooooo!!! Wow is all we can say! He is one of the best quarterbacks and all around athlete! BEAST!! Love the kid!!

  • Same Same

    Amat has a history of primarily baseball guys as QBs from JR Phillips to Mike Lange. Had pretty good teams with both guys. no news there.

  • Santiago makes CO go !

    Travis Santiago is the best QB around. In my opinion his only weakness is trying to make the play all the time. Down the road he will need to learn the throw it away when it’s not there. I recall when he broke that for sure sack in the South hills game and made the play, but if that play was made, the momentum of the game would have swung in a big way. Later on in playoffs he won’t be so lucky. The better teams make that play. If its not there run or throw it away Kid…But he is a beast. I am sure a D1 team will pick him up as a athlete.

  • Down the road?

    Down the road Santiago will be a DB (if he plays) because he’s too small. Remember your last all-world qb got no offeers either. It’s the fish bowl gentlemen

  • 12th man

    Sorry~ I would have to give the award for the best QB in the valley to Steven Rivera of Arroyo..Not only are his numbers ridiculous but the kid is a beast on defense (one man show)…Travis Santiago would be a close 2nd!

    Steven Rivera

    yds/ 1896
    yds/per game 316.0
    touchdowns-20
    interceptions-2
    QB rating-120

    Travis Santiago

    yds/ 1558
    yds/per game 259.7
    touchdowns-11
    interceptions-3
    QB rating-111

  • Anonomous

    You put co against arroyo and CO wins by 50 Steven Rivera has an average high school passing game and Travis throws for 300 yards and 5 touchdowns 3 passing 2 running! That’s the facts the two QB’s are good but Travis is 10x better then mr Rivera! FYI Travis can easily play Quarterback at a BCS Division 1 school due to his athletacism, Taylor Martinez of Nebraska is only about 6’0 tall and the starting quarterback for the Louiville Cardinals( a big east school) is only 5’9! Travis is more then capable to play D1 At the QB position! Fight on ChargersG

  • just askin’

    Anymouse – so what offers do you think little Travis has now? Who do you think is interested. There are no secrets – Google is your friend. Ya think most schools have some QBs on their list already?

  • Anonymous

    Just askin:

    “little Travis” as you put it is the toughest little QB I have ever seen! He plays through pain you wouldn’t believe and you would never know! He’s tough, smart, accurate, strong arm, and a great athlete! All that make a great QB and that’s what he is! He can play D1 football at QB and I guarantee by the end of the season he will have his fair share! He is 6’0 and that’s plenty tall to play, russel Wilson of Wisconsin is no taller then 6’1 and he is my vote for the heisman thus far this season! Don’t tell me hes to small! Louisvilles starting QB is 5’9 and that’s a big east BCS conference! PLEASE!!!

  • just askin’

    Anymouse – First, it takes a pretty tough kid to play DB, so no one is questioning his toughness or athleticism. not even questionng his ability to play – just pointing out there are no takers and don’t think there will be. But we heard all the same praises for Chris Allen during his stay at CO. If a QB is not on peoples radar by now rolling through a schedule of Santa Fe, South Hills, and Ayala isn’t going to convincey anyone they can get it done. sorry. I said the same thing about Allen. Why did he have no offers? Michael Perry was pretty good too. There are just too many question marks. can he get consistently get it done against better competition? We’ll never know will we?
    Like I said, no QB goes from nobody’s list to offers and has it work out. If he wants to play QB he’s gonna have to go to MtSac and prove he can do it first. And there is nothing wrong with that at all

  • 12th man

    WOW!!! Travis Santiago a D1 QB at any college??..with those kind of credentials there should be no “EXCUSES” why CO doesnt win CIF!! lol…Dont get me wrong i think the kid has amazing talent..but dont put all your eggs in one basket & expect to reach the promise land~…A Quarterback in any division putting up crazy number is truly phenomenal..You still have to make good throws have good mechanics & be smart with the ball~ If you think playing in lower divisions makes it easier …what your really trying to say is that the top 10 QB’s in the state play in the worst divisions?? lol…I guess the team from Folsom who is 6-1 & won state last year beating Serra really isnt that good because they have the #1 QB in the state (Tanner Trosin)….(Steven Rivera #6) (Travis Santiago #26) Do the Math~

  • AMAT 73

    We have a lot of great players in the SGV including Rivera and Santiago. The case is these are great HIGH SCHOOL players . So what if they do not have D-1 size or whatever else bloggers think fits the mold of a D-1 prospect. I have seen many players who were just lights out on the HIGH SCHOOL field and never to be heard from after graduation. Of course we would like to see them all get the scholarship to a University but really it’s tough go and once you get there you must prove you should stay there . We should hope they are also great in the classroom as we have heard of players making teams by walking on but you need to have the grades to get in college first then walk on and get the scholarship. Let’s enjoy the fact we have some of the great ones in our own backyard and leave it at that .

  • CO Bro

    No D1 for Travis, sorry no way. At least not in football, baseball is his ticket. Travis is having a great year to be sure, but he is not playing against the best defensive teams. What did he do against RC? Just being realistic here, not trying to bash Travis.

  • Nice job

    CO Bro – you’re always the most balanced and realistic Charger on here.Always appreciate your posts and honesty. No trash – just the truth. Good luck the rest of league (won’t need it Friday)

  • Colt74

    I just don’t get it. Why all the belittling of A HS player with crap like “he ain’t D-1 material”..or “the kid can’t play at the next level” or any and all other such venom that graces each and every thread?

    Why can’t people just appreciate what a kid is doing here on Friday nights and be happy for him.

    Travis Santiago, Rio Ruiz,…whomever…just appreciate what they are doing TODAY without the added raising of the bar because they don’t meet YOUR guidelines of greatness.

    And if any of you are such all knowing experts on what a great football player is why are you here wasting your time on our little blog? Seems your services would be in BIG demand by every college in America and you would not have time for such nonsense here.

    Sorry Amat 73 if I echoed your words. Just read your post as I was typing this.

  • COChargerfan

    CO Bro…you’re kidding? Travis was the entire team against RC. He threw for 295 yards and ran for 58. Heck, they only had 114 running yards and Scoby got 51 of those on the opening play of the second half…CO was unable to run the entire night and Travis kept them in the game. Of course, he also threw the early pick from inside the 5 yard line and then made a bad decision at the end…he could have run almost to the end zone. Nevertheless, he had a fantastic game.

    Being a D1 QB isn’t what he wants anyway…this kid is going to be drafted and go on to play pro baseball.

  • AmnataChampion

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    Rio Ruiz…?

    Who is this Rio Ruiz…? I haven’t seen this kid do anything this year! If not for Moore, BishopNOMAS would already be 2 – 4 this season. You cannot compare Rio to the best QB in the SGV.

    Crespi Cetls 56 – Lanceritos 14…Why? because BishopNOMAS has no passing attack. Where does the passing attack begin…? Exactly…!

    Amat has No Offensive Line and No Receivers either…

    Results in the 2011 season:
    - No League Championship
    - No Playoffs
    - No CIF Championship in 2011

    I hate to say it…BUT…I TOLD YOU SO!

    Amat Honks – can you say “VEGAS Baby…?”

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  • AmnataChampion

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    Old Mrs QuasiMoto 73

    Go get me some water biaaatcch…!

    Viva Las VEGAS…

    Not Since 1995

    .

  • BLOG POLICE

    Smells like……..

    Darth-Leche-Notsince-NINEteen-Nomas-IamAchampion

    In Here!

    Someone call the Haz-Mat Unit!

    Would you mind too terribly if we just call you “SYBIL” or “Virginia Wolfe”??

    Typing all of your screen names is tiring.

  • AMAT 73

    BLOG POLICE,
    Let’s just stick with Quasimoto the village idiot for him . He seems to have accepted it as you can see he is asking his wife for waterrrr now . Quasi, didn’t know you like older women or is the 73 her IQ , and why call Mrs.Quasi a biatch after all she did marry your ignorant azz .On second thought that probably is her IQ.

  • John artson

    All this talking about rankings …. Fact is that WC would beat co no questions!!