Is it do-or-die time for Bishop Amat at Crespi? Hagerty says not yet; Zach Shay “running around” in practice, but still no word on if he returns

“All of them are must-win, but at the same it’s feasible that if we don’t win, we would have to win our last two and make the playoffs. We don’t want to be in that situation, and we’re going to put our best foot forward on Friday night.” — Bishop Amat coach Steve Hagerty

By Aram Tolegian
Steve Hagerty knows a win Friday at Crespi would do wonders for his team’s postseason outlook, but the fourth-year Bishop Amat coach also is stressing it won’t be the end of the world should the Lancers falter. “All of them are must-win, but at the same it’s feasible that if we don’t win, we would have to win our last two and make the playoffs,” Hagerty said. “We don’t want to be in that situation, and we’re going to put our best foot forward on Friday night.”

Amat lost its Serra League opener last Friday in a hard- fought game against defending league champ Alemany. The Lancers now hit the road in trying to get back into the league title race against a Crespi team they ran all over last year. The plan Friday may not be much different than what it was last year – use tailback Jalen Moore to chew up big chunks of yards and keep the Crespi offense off the field.

“He’s one of our better players, so we definitely want him to have success,” Hagerty said of Moore, who rushed for 262 yards and two scores last year against the Celts. “I wouldn’t use the word `pound,’ because I’m not sure that fits us. We just have to execute.”

It’s still questionable whether Amat gets back all- purpose threat Zach Shay, who’s missed a large portion of the season after suffering two concussions. Hagerty said Shay is “running around” with the team but isn’t taking any contact. He could be cleared by doctors soon, though.

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  • Jefe

    Sorry Hags but if you don’t win this game, you’re not going to the playoffs this season.

    No way the Lancers drop a game to Crespi this week and just bounce back and beat a quality team like Loyola the next.

  • Frank

    A must win for Amat, and even the haters. If Amat doesn’t make playoffs Amat bullie and his crew will have nothing to talk about.

  • Witness

    Here’s some video of Crespi. Serra league is not joke, so you haters say what you wanna say..go ahead, we are use to it already.
    http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/preps/post/_/id/11398/hard-work-paying-off-for-crespis-harper

  • Johnny

    First of all a shout out to my friend Mark, Bob, and the rest of the crew who have been at the Amat games with me for over 7 years now ! These guys are diehard fans !!

    In all the years that I have been following Amat, I can tell you that the Lancers have never won an away game playing the Celts. It’s going to be tough to win one on the road against these guys or any of the other Serra teams for that matter. This year I dont see that being any differnt.

    One of the things that has given me concern about my Lancers is that Mark told me that Shay probably isnt going to be back this year. So if that young man is practacing with the team, then its probably for other reasons rather than for a possible return.

    It’s to bad because I think he would have brought so many challenges to the way that our opponents have to look at Amat offensivly, but I guess thats the way it goes some times.

    Good luck to the team this friday !

  • Lancer fan

    Shay will be playing this friday..duh..thats why he is practicing…good luck Lancers!..bring home a win!

  • Kingcredo

    There goes Hags with his excuses, that funny little man. He knows that Amat is done he is just giving the Amat faithful an extra week to believe they are still gonna do it. Best of luck Amat you’re gonna need it…

  • 12th man

    Dont know if someone can return after 2 concussions..It just sounds to risky~…But if Amat loses its next game there definately wont be any reason or Shay to return…

  • Reasonable

    I don’t think it’s out of the question to think Amat can beat Loyola and Notre Dame in back to back weeks. They have had plenty of success against both more often than not in recent years

  • GoAMAT

    LET’S GO AMAT! We will love u guys no matter what the outcome is. God bless.

  • No Excuses from Hags

    Coach Hagerty doesn’t make excuses. He is a Class Act. Coach Hagerty, his staff, and the players work hard everyday and leave it all on the field.

    They play the best, compete, and usually win. No excuses.

    He’s a Class Coach leading a Top Pac-5 Program.

    If you don’t know that, then you don’t know anything about Coach Hagerty or Bishop Amat.

    End of Story.

  • Lance R

    One game at a time mentality. Amats offense has proven it can score points, but the defense needs to play a stingy solid 4 quarters to make this trip to Crespi a success. I am a believer of this team and it’s coaching staff, we will be in all of these games competitively and W’s are not out of the question. Lets put it all together, head on out to Reseda Friday and come home Victorious Lancers. This league season just started no need for a panic button just yet. Let’s go get this one and go forward from there. Step it up OL / DL we are counting on you.

  • John

    Anybody know if the Amat/Crespi game will be televised? It’s not listed on IBN Sports. The Venice game wasn’t listed too but they ended up broadcasting it.

  • Speed kills

    i watched the replay of the crespi vs notre dame game on tv. although crespi is very big on their offensive line, they are also very slow and lazy. notre dame’s small but fast defensive front 7 ran circles around the crespi offense and stoped them dead in the water. crespi only had 1 offensive drive the entire game, with the rest of their scores coming on special teams. crespi is not overly big in their defensive front 7 but they are quick which is what amat struggles against on offense, not the size factor. If amat can run the ball against crespi they will win the game. If they end up needing to pass the ball more then 25% of the time they will loose.

  • FredJ

    Mike the Cousin will be at Crespi for Coverlitlive…

  • Amatunderaceives

    No excuses from Hags,
    “He’s a Class Coach leading a Top Pac-5 Program.”

    Top pac 5 program??? What have they accomplished? They are under achievers. They were ranked in the top 5 in the pac 5 most of last season and they lost in the 1st round to a 3rd place Tesoro. This year, they got DOMINATED by a top pac 5 team, Servite and are struggling for their playoff lives. They have not made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs in years. A TOP program in a division is one who consistently goes deep into the playoffs….not one who under achieves.
    I think Amat is a top SGV program, but then again compared to other areas of SoCal football, that doesn’t mean much based on the number of SGV teams ranked in the top 25 of the times, calpreps, maxpreps, espn, etc. polls.

  • Joe Amat

    UNderachiever,

    Here’s why Amat is considered a top Pac 5 program
    Schools who have won a Division 1/Pac 5 championship since Amat’s title in 1995:

    Long Beach Poly 2008 (the year they beat Amat 21-17 in the playoffs)
    Servite Back-to-Back Prior to 2009, Not Since – 1983 (when they beat Amat in the finals)
    Orange Lutheran 2006 (Amat has beat them since then in 2008)
    Loyola 2005 (Amat has beat them since then – last season)
    Los Alamitos 2002 (the year they beat Amat 30-24 in the playoffs)
    Mater Dei 1998 (Amat has beat them since then – in 2009)
    Bishop Amat Not Since – 1995

    The last time these schools have won a Division 1/Pac 5 championship game:
    Fountain Valley Not Since 1988
    Crespi Not Since 1986
    Edison Not Since – 1980
    Compton Not Since – 1950
    Mission Viejo Not Since – EVER
    Notre Dame Not Since – EVER
    San Clemente Not Since – EVER
    Huntington Beach Not Since – EVER
    St. John Bosco Not Since – EVER
    Santa Margarita Not Since – EVER
    Alemany Not Since – EVER
    Lakewood Not Since – EVER
    Trabuco Hills Not Since – EVER
    Tesoro Not Since – EVER
    Newport Harbor Not Since – EVER
    Woodrow Wilson Not Since – EVER
    JSerra Catholic Not Since – EVER
    Dana Hills Not Since – EVER
    Jordan Not Since – EVER
    Marina Not Since – EVER
    Millikan Not Since – EVER
    Cabrillo Not Since – EVER

    So now, point out who the “top teams” are?

  • John

    Joe Amat,

    I believe Loyola won it in 2004? That was the year they beat Amat 10-9 in the playoffs when DiFiori decided to go for a 40 yard field goal on 4th and mere inches.

  • Amatunderaceives

    Joe Amat,
    Are you going back to 1995….really? ….lol. I am talking about “Quality Wins” in the pac 5 in the last 5 years…..Amat ha NONE. They have not gotten out of the 2nd round of the playoffs!

    Pac 5 Teams that have made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs since Amat has:

    S.O Notre dame
    Trabuco Hills
    Crespi
    Mater Dei
    Loyola
    Los Alamitos
    Tesoro
    O Lu
    Lakewood
    Servite
    Santa Margarita
    Mission Viejo
    LB Poly
    Alemany
    Edison

    In fact, every team in the Serra league has made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs since Amat has……you don’t still think they are a Top program in the Pac 5 do you???

  • Joe Amat

    John,

    4th and inches was 2003 when we lost to Loyola 10-9 and they went on to beat LBP. 2005 they beat Esperanza (in a year we beat Loyola during League)

    UNderachiever,

    From your list in the past 3 years Amat has wins over

    S.O Notre dame
    Crespi
    Mater Dei (in the 2009 playoffs)
    Loyola
    O Lu
    Alemany
    (you could add St Bonaventure to that list if you wanted to)

    lost in 2010 to Tesoro
    lost in 2nd round in 2009 to Lakewood
    lost to #1 in the NATION LB Poly 21-17 in final minute

  • Will Hunting

    @John

    My Boy (Joe Amat) is wicked SMAAAHT!

  • Amatunderaceives

    Joe said :
    “From your list in the past 3 years Amat has wins over
    S.O Notre dame
    Crespi
    Mater Dei (in the 2009 playoffs)
    Loyola
    O Lu
    Alemany
    (you could add St Bonaventure to that list if you wanted to)
    lost in 2010 to Tesoro
    lost in 2nd round in 2009 to Lakewood
    lost to #1 in the NATION LB Poly 21-17 in final minute ”

    In none of those wins were the other team ranked higher than Amat! Also, the playoff games the key word you mentioned is “LOST” They cannot beat quality opponents or win BIG games….plain and simple.

  • AMAT 73

    underachieve,
    So in reality you expect us to win the PAC-5 to be what , achievers or would you consider that overachieving for AMAT ? Or if we get past the second round we achieved or does it mean we are in overachieving grounds ? You say we can’t beat quality opponents in the playoffs. We beat MD in 09 in the playoffs. You do not consider them a quality team . But then you change to” higher ranked teams ” to suit your point after you were shown quality wins. What’s the next stipulation going to be ? I believe no one is talking about achieving , the topic is one of the top teams in the PAC-5 not top achieving teams of the PAC-5 . And really don’t all schools start the season to win the championship and if you do not win you have not achieved the teams goal . What I saw in your post is you do concede AMAT to be the top team in the SGV but the kicker is you write that dosen’t mean much based on the number of SGV teams in top 25 ranking of many polls. So are you really slamming the entire SGV that it’s full of underachieving teams or just AMAT ?

  • Amatunderaceives

    Amat73,
    I didn’t say Amat needed to win the Pac 5, but when you cannot get past the second round and get beaten in the first round by an inferior team that is not impressive. Amat has not beaten an opponent higher ranked than them….period.

    “We beat MD in 09 in the playoffs” – They were 6-5 and you beat them by a TD…wow. Is that a signature win, I think not.

    “you do concede AMAT to be the top team in the SGV but the kicker is you write that dosen’t mean much based on the number of SGV teams in top 25 ranking of many polls. So are you really slamming the entire SGV that it’s full of underachieving teams or just AMAT ?” –

    Both, I am saying Amat may be a premier team in the SGV, but that doesn’t say much. It is a fact that SGV football is weak compared to all the other surrounding areas (inland empire, OC, San Fernando Valley, South Bay, etc)

    I say Amat are underacievers because they cannot win big games. They can beat the teams they should beat but non better. Also, their playoff record is not impressive

    2010 – 9-2 – Lost to a lower ranked Alemany team to lose the Serra Championship and lost in the first round to a 3rd place Tesoro team…not impressed.

    2009 – 10-2 – Lost in League to a 6-4 Crespi team. Beat a 6-5 Mater Dei team in 1st round by 7(your case of beating a quality opponent…lol) …lost in 2nd round….Not impressed

    2008 – 7-4 ..3rd place in the Serra…Lost in 1st round…not impressed.

    2007 – 3-7 WOW!….no Playoffs….not impressed

    2006 – 5-5 Playoff? Nope!…..not impressed

    2005 – 6-4 no playoffs again….not impressed

    2004 – 6-6 4th place in league …Blown out 52-6 in 2nd round…Not impressed

    So again I ask you, what qualifies them as a Top team in the Pac 5?

  • Joe Amat

    UNderachiever,

    Sorry – but you’re just talking outtta your ass. Each of the following in the Hagerty era was against a higher ranked squad.

    In 2008, coming off a 3-7 season (in which we still beat the D3 champion-who was obviously ranked above us) we beat OLu, who were the Trinity League Champs that year. In week 6 we beat an undefeated St Francis team that was still rated above us at the time. In league we knocked off Crespi that was ranked above us and had earlier beat Servite that year, to get into the playoffs before the Long Beach poly “loss”.

    In 2009, St Bonaventure was back-to-back state champs and 4-0 who had just beat the defending champs, Long Beach Poly. Amat went on to beat an 8-1 higher ranked Notre Dame team, and State Gatorade Player of the Year Ryan Kasdorf, in the final game of the season to win the Serra League (the 4th toughest league in the nation that year).

    As 73 said, we did beat Mater Dei from “the big bad Trinity League” in the playoffs as the “favorite” – despite the fact few gave us a chance to beat a team with Max Wittek, Matt Barkley’s heir apparent, and Victor Blackwell who’s redshirting at USC)

    Last season, Amat opened league by beating a higher ranked Crespi team that was coming off a 14 pt win over Inland power Visa Murrietta and handing Clovis West, the Central champ, their only loss.

    This season there are 3 regular season games left against teams ranked higher than Amat – so any wins will also fit your category.

    And really, if you’re going to say underachieves, then you are opposing all those who question whether our roster has enough talent and the Fish Bowl’s demographics can support a Pac5 power.

    You can’t say a team doesn’t have players AND underachieves at the same time. In all the games above, and many others, Amat lost warmups and the battle of the “look test” by a bunch. That being said, maybe Amat is the ultimate “over-achiever”.

  • AMAT 73

    underachiever,
    So you say AMAT is an underachiever . Would getting past the second round make us achievers or overachievers ? You go as far as saying AMAT beats the teams they should beat but non ( ? ) better. I take it you mean none better ? Well you have a list of teams who were ranked higher and we beat them . You say we can’t win big games. Again the list of big games is there for you to see which shoots down your underachieving theory . Now you have a point on the playoff record not being impressive I will give you that. But the win over MD has to be impressive since SGV football is weaker than OC football as you say. Overachieving ? That Crespi win has to be impressive since the SGV football is weaker than SFV as you say. Again overachieving ? So what is it , getting past the second round achieving or winning it all achieving ? I think you need to define what would achieving be for AMAT in your book before we go any further . Plus to get a better perspective of where you’re coming from who is your team you root for because 9 out 10 times that tells the real story behind a post of your nature. I mean you have 5 entities ( IE,OC,SGV,SB,ETC) behind you against AMAT and the SGV . You can’t be in all those places at once. Let me take a guess the ie ??

  • AmnataChampion

    .

    It’s hard to see the truth, but C’mon man…!

    C’mon man…BishopNOMAS is way Over Rated in theSGV and in SoCal. The facts speak for themselves. Nobody plays this game for the history of the game. The game is played in the here and now. And right now, you Amat Honks have to admit that you just plain suck! You can’t win the big games and you surely can’t win in the playoffs!

    End of story…

    By the way, UCLA called to say that they know exactly how you feel!

    .

  • AmnataChampion

    .

    Amatunderachiever

    I APPLAUD YOU FOR YOUR HONESTY AND FACTS AS PRESENTED ON THIS BLOG. YOUR 100% CORRECT AND THESE OLD WIND BAGS CAN’T STAND IT…,

    THIS IS A HAS BEEN PROGRAM THAT USE TO BE GOOD a long time ago…!

    JoseAmnot and Old Doubtfire can’t stand it when the truth is spoken! LMAO…!

    .

  • Facts?

    looks like these are facts:

    Sorry – but you’re just talking outtta your ass. Each of the following in the Hagerty era was against a higher ranked squad.
    In 2008, coming off a 3-7 season (in which we still beat the D3 champion-who was obviously ranked above us) we beat OLu, who were the Trinity League Champs that year. In week 6 we beat an undefeated St Francis team that was still rated above us at the time. In league we knocked off Crespi that was ranked above us and had earlier beat Servite that year, to get into the playoffs before the Long Beach poly “loss”.
    In 2009, St Bonaventure was back-to-back state champs and 4-0 who had just beat the defending champs, Long Beach Poly. Amat went on to beat an 8-1 higher ranked Notre Dame team, and State Gatorade Player of the Year Ryan Kasdorf, in the final game of the season to win the Serra League (the 4th toughest league in the nation that year).
    As 73 said, we did beat Mater Dei from “the big bad Trinity League” in the playoffs as the “favorite” – despite the fact few gave us a chance to beat a team with Max Wittek, Matt Barkley’s heir apparent, and Victor Blackwell who’s redshirting at USC)
    Last season, Amat opened league by beating a higher ranked Crespi team that was coming off a 14 pt win over Inland power Visa Murrietta and handing Clovis West, the Central champ, their only loss.
    This season there are 3 regular season games left against teams ranked higher than Amat – so any wins will also fit your category.
    And really, if you’re going to say underachieves, then you are opposing all those who question whether our roster has enough talent and the Fish Bowl’s demographics can support a Pac5 power.
    You can’t say a team doesn’t have players AND underachieves at the same time. In all the games above, and many others, Amat lost warmups and the battle of the “look test” by a bunch. That being said, maybe Amat is the ultimate “over-achiever”.

    Schools who have won a Division 1/Pac 5 championship since Amat’s title in 1995:
    Long Beach Poly 2008 (the year they beat Amat 21-17 in the playoffs)
    Servite Back-to-Back Prior to 2009, Not Since – 1983 (when they beat Amat in the finals)
    Orange Lutheran 2006 (Amat has beat them since then in 2008)
    Loyola 2005 (Amat has beat them since then – last season)
    Los Alamitos 2002 (the year they beat Amat 30-24 in the playoffs)
    Mater Dei 1998 (Amat has beat them since then – in 2009)
    Bishop Amat Not Since – 1995
    The last time these schools have won a Division 1/Pac 5 championship game:
    Fountain Valley Not Since 1988
    Crespi Not Since 1986
    Edison Not Since – 1980
    Compton Not Since – 1950
    Mission Viejo Not Since – EVER
    Notre Dame Not Since – EVER
    San Clemente Not Since – EVER
    Huntington Beach Not Since – EVER
    St. John Bosco Not Since – EVER
    Santa Margarita Not Since – EVER
    Alemany Not Since – EVER
    Lakewood Not Since – EVER
    Trabuco Hills Not Since – EVER
    Tesoro Not Since – EVER
    Newport Harbor Not Since – EVER
    Woodrow Wilson Not Since – EVER
    JSerra Catholic Not Since – EVER
    Dana Hills Not Since – EVER
    Jordan Not Since – EVER
    Marina Not Since – EVER
    Millikan Not Since – EVER
    Cabrillo Not Since – EVER
    So now, point out who the “top teams” are?

  • amat fan

    lolololololololololololololololololol!

  • loyola man

    amat might be a fine team but next week it gets it’s tail handed to them by Loyola Cubs, wish i could make the game and see my cubs whip tail