VIDEO: Fred and Aram talk Noodles, Scoby, Hall of Fame, re-leaguing, Northview and much more …

4:30 mark: We discuss Andrew “Noodles” Hull’s transfer from West Covina to Diamond Bar that has been denied by CIF for athletically motivated reasons.
30:15 mark: Will Kurt Scoby ever play football at Monrovia?
38:15 mark: We discuss the Mt. SAC area realignment
47:00 mark: Damien moving to Pac-5, SGV All-star game on Friday, Charter Oak passing league on Saturday.
53:00 mark: Northview’s decision not to hire Brian Rice to succeed his father Ron Rice as the head basketball coach after Ron’s 41 years in charge.

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  • reality

    Great show. Only one issue Fred. Your comment on the Hull issue that kids will be kids and say things wrong therefore it should not matter. Again pure speculation, if Hull tried to foment a mass departure that could have fractured my team or still be trying to fracture my team this is more than just kid talk, its total disloyalty. It could warrant action by an HC to make this talk stop and protect your football players and program. I’m sure coach M and others have their reasons and we shall never know what they are. This occasion may be one of those exceptions to the rule.

    • http://twitter.com/SGVNSports Fred J. Robledo

      That’s a part of the story where I understand both sides, but at the end of the day, only Hull transferred to Diamond Bar. A lot of that seems like it was just kids talking. At the end of the day, if you’re the beneficiary of transfers, then you should also allow players to transfer out. In Mike’s defense, I’ve NEVER considered him a recruiter or the cheating kind, if anything, he’s turned away players and parents that have come to him asking about his program and transferring. But as much as I respect Mike and the folks at West Covina, I just disagree we’re their decision to challenge Hull’s transfer.

      • WCDan

        Fred see my post on Arams blog, apparantly niether of you have seen the form that has to be signed.
        One other thing, if there was an attempt to lure away other kids
        it does not matter that only one kid left, the threat of more leaving is still there so a stop has to be put to it, for all we know there still could be attempts that are being made to get more of our kids.

        • http://twitter.com/SGVNSports Fred J. Robledo

          I’ve seen the form, just like I’m sure everyone reads and fills out their IRS tax forms with complete honesty and transparency. LOL

          If everyone filled out those forms with complete honesty every time a player left their team, there would be a ton more players getting denied for athletic reasons. But I’d say there are far more coaches today who turn a blind eye and don’t challenge players, even though they know players are transferring for athletic reasons and have their own proof and reasons for believing so.

          In West Covina’s case, I get it, there is a lot more to it and they’re entitled to do what they did, it’s just not something I would do.

          • Bulldogs have bite

            So you are saying that the people(coaches/teachers) we entrust to mold our young boys and girls (coaches/teachers) into our men and women of the future should set the example of allowing rules to be broken?

          • http://twitter.com/SGVNSports Fred J. Robledo

            Well answer this, West Covina has benefited from some transfers over the years, just like South Hills, Charter Oak, Monrovia, Bishop Amat and a handful of others. Coaches know full well that when “impact” players transfer to their schools it’s for at least IN PART, athletically motivated reasons, wouldn’t you agree? If you’re going to take the holier than all everything stance that rules are rules, shouldn’t those coaches/schools penalize the incoming players themselves by holding them out for a year? Shouldn’t the schools and administrators say fine, you can transfer in, but if this is so you can play football, you have to sit out a year. Wouldn’t that set the type of hard-nosed, rules are rules example you speak of?

            Schools are only hard-nosed about rules when athletically motivated transfers leave, not when they’re incoming. Why is that?

          • Bulldogs have bite

            Let me answer your question using an analogy you already provided. When cheating on your taxes, would you send the IRS an email you were going to do it beforehand? Do you not think the IRS would then immediately audit you? The degree of ambiguity in a transfer can make it a lot easier for someone to sign off on it. A player can say it is a financial thing, or the school has a better criminal justice program he wants to take for example. But in this case, it was like Maggiore was being told point blank that I’m going to transfer my kid because you are not using him on the football field the way I had envisioned it, so now we are leaving and you’re going to sign off on it. WC has been on the “challenged” side of a transfer as recently as two years ago with Hornsby, so it’s not like we don’t know how sucky the situation is. These rules are put into place to help the coaches have some degree of control left. We cannot have 55 parents in the lockeroom each coaching up their own kid individualy. When there is speculation that a transfer is athletically motivated, it’s just that, speculation. WC stood to lose more than just one player in this case, and thank goodness we did not. If Maggiore greenlights this transfer he loses complete control of his program. The minute some parent sees that Maggiore can be manipulated with threatening emails, all of a sudden we have kids who will not play defense, or we have 30 kids all wanting carries at RB etc….

          • WCDan

            Well said BHB

          • WCDan

            There is nothing holier than though about operating with integrity Fred. In each of the last two years, Maggiore has lost out on a top sgv running back due to his upfront approach of letting coaches know when one of their kids is trying to leave their program and get into WC. Last year WC forfeited a game that they won because they self reported themselves on a mistake that was made on a transfer’s paperwork. No school nor no person is perfect, but that is the integrity that Maggiore attempts to operate with. When the paperwork directly ask you if you know about these undue influence situations, would you really lie about it Fred? Because by signing that you know nothing about undue influence when you have hard evidence of undue influence, you would be lying. And if a few of your best players come back telling you that they were being influenced to come over to DB and then they see you give the green light, whats to stop them from going over to play at DB. What happens if a couple more of those key players that did not leave, decide over the summer that the pastures look a little greener with Snoop and crew and his spirit packs and new helmets, and bolt to DB because they know you would not do anything about it. Things may look a little different when your a coach running a program and you have all these different scenerios to deal with. Fred, you say you would not have made the decision that Maggoire made, I don’t think you can truthfuly say that without first walking in his shoes.

          • http://twitter.com/SGVNSports Fred J. Robledo

            I don’t fault Mike or West Covina, they’re within their right to do what they did. But not everything is as black and white and cut and dry and you describe.

            Personally, I believe in an equal playing field for all extra-curricular students, that’s my belief. I don’t think the rules for cheerleaders, band-members and athletes should be any different when it comes to transferring, period. Even more, coaches don’t sit-out a year when they change jobs do they?
            Why can you transfer and be allowed to participate in all other extra curricular activities except sports? I’m waiting for the day a legal expert takes sports and CIF up on this, because there is a complete double standard when it comes to athletes, so call it my personal crusade when it comes to juggling the letter of the law to what I think is right and fair for student athletes. I don’t believe the “athletically motivated” rule is enforced equally and fairly anyway, so I’m going to do what I personally believe is the right thing to do and what I think is in the best interest of the student athlete. There is no bigger motivating factor to do your school work and stay out of trouble for athletes than sports, and the only way to participate is by making grades, so if you’re in school, making grades and a good citizen on campus, why in the world would you take that away from someone? Why in the world would you take the students’ ability to possibly get an athletic scholarship? Is winning that important? That’s what this ultimately boils down to, a coaches ability to maintain his roster and the school’s ability to do everything in its power to stay on top. That’s why these silly rules are in place for sports and not other extra-curricular activities. It’s silly, it’s wrong and it’s always been silly and wrong. So, you can dangle and debate the letter of the law when it comes to transfers and so forth, but there is a moral and ethical right and wrong that isn’t spelled out in the blue book that I believe is true, and that’s if you’re in school, and you make grades, you should do everything to allow the student to participate in sports, just like you would a band member, cheerleader or anyone else that works their butt off in school to earn the RIGHT to participate in extra curricular activities.

          • Bulldogs have bite

            So where was your crusade when Justin Hornsby got denied for his Junior year? Just because there seems to be a double standard when it comes to athletes and other extra curricular groups does not mean anything to the school, coaching staff, and program you guys decided to throw under the bus! There seems to be a double standard that you put into place against West Covina. Where was the unfair finger pointing at South Hills when they challenged Hornsby? No google chat video? No blog headline pointing out the challenge? Do you know for how many decades West Covina has been feeding other local powerhouse programs with kids that should have been WC Spartans/Bulldogs? Heck even the infamous Lawrence Philips was at WC before going to Baldwin Park. My point is, WC has signed off on transfers way more times than have challenged them. This particular case was one of those times it was the right thing to do because idealism has no place when it comes to following rules. We cannot just pick and choose what times we decide to follow rules. We cannot prevent parents from sticking their foot in their mouths. We can only follow the rules to protect our program from CIF penalties for violating them. That way more kids do not suffer consequences. I understand what you are getting at Fred, I really do. And I do feel bad for Noodles. But you and Aram have intentionally or unintentionally painted Mike Maggiore and the West Covina administration in a negative light for following rules. That is completely bias and unfair journalism!

          • http://twitter.com/SGVNSports Fred J. Robledo

            My crusade? I thought Hornsby should have been allowed to play from the get-go.

          • http://twitter.com/SGVNSports Fred J. Robledo

            Also, you said we cannot just pick and choose what times to decide to follow rules. Then you go on to describe Lawrence Phillips and a handful of others YOU chose not to challenge. Why weren’t they challenged? By blocking Noodles, isn’t that deciding to pick and choose? If you block one, then shouldn’t you block all of them if you have the slightest bit of evidence it’s illegal?

          • http://twitter.com/SGVNSports Fred J. Robledo

            Finally, I spoke with Maggiore yesterday, we talked about all of this and I COMPLETELY understand where he’s coming from. He’s a man with a lot of integrity, always has. always will. And he has his reasons, which I understand, I shared that with him. I just disagree, because like I said, it’s my own personal crusade against the athletically motivated rule that isn’t or can’t be enforced fairly for all.

            This isn’t about throwing West Covina under the bus. If you’ve read or followed Aram and I since the blogs began, this is a place where we voice our opinions and try not to sugar-coat them. No matter what school or what situation, I’ve always sided with the players’ right to transfer since the blogs began, so this is not about West Covina. Everyone knows I know Mike, but my opinion is my opinion, always has, always will. And I respectfully understand everything you and Dan have written, it’s a healthy debate and conversation. For those visiting the blogs and reading the back and forth, I think we’ve laid about both sides of the coin. Now, it’s up to the reader to decide…

          • Bulldogs have bite

            Then why no slanted headlines on the blogs condemning South Hills? Blocking Noodles was in part because there was solid tangible evidence linking him to undue influence, and more importantly the Hull camp did a poor job of hiding their displeasure with the program. If they just up and left quietly there would be no problem. But since they wanted to lead a parade of WC athletes down to DB with them it became something that needed to be addressed. You just cannot allow one kid and his family to create that kind of discord within your program! If they just leave fine. If it’s athletically motivated fine. But do not paint the grey area in bright colors and make it an obvious situation. This is a unique situation in that this particular outgoing transfer not only wanted to leave, but also wanted to bring down the house on the way out.

          • http://twitter.com/SGVNSports Fred J. Robledo

            Go back and look at the blogs, when South Hills tried to block everyone from transferring to Charter Oak and Bishop Amat at the same time, Aram and I called it hypocritical because there was a time when South Hills was the beneficiary of more transfers than anyone.

            I’ve been consistent over the years with this argument, not matter what school it is.

          • Bulldogs have bite

            I’m not even trying to bring South Hills down, that’s not the point I’m trying to make. If you are saying you have been consistent with this argument, then I believe you. I just don’t remember as much mud being flung when Hornsby got denied by a challenge…. West Covina challenged this transfer, but they too have been on the other end of the spectrum as well. Aram and yourself kind of made this situation look like hypocrisy on West Covina’s part when clearly it is not. WC and South Hills both had their reasons to challenge their transfers and both have been on the receiving end of a challenged transfer. Neither are hypocrites, both are doing what they felt was right in their respective situations. To call out schools is the wrong way to go about changing things, for they are just trying to follow and obey this stupid rule. Next year’s challenge may come from Monrovia or Los Altos or some Orange County powerhouse, who knows?
            The CIF rules are made up by the school Principals and AD’s in the CIF Southern Section. Until they can come together as a whole and vote the verbage of “athletically motivated” out of the rules completely, single schools are not to blame. Everyone is. By saying stuff like some coaches turn a blind eye to these things and some don’t only creates a meaningless arguing point.

          • http://twitter.com/SGVNSports Fred J. Robledo

            Here’s my hypothetical for you Dan .. If a player comes to you from another school acquiring about transferring and playing for you and you do the right thing and say, listen, this is a conversation we can’t have, it’s against the rules. I suggest you go back to your old school and talk it over with your coach and parents. Now, if that kid takes your advice and still transfers to your school, do you play him? You already know from your conversation his intentions are athletically motivated. If this is about integrity Dan, what should you do? If that kid you just turned away transferred to your school and the school he transferred from said, heck with it, let him go, what do you do? Do you self-report to CIF that the kid made an inquiry and force him not to play for your team? That would be conducting yourself by the letter of the law, as you suggest. That would be the ultimate show of integrity, as you suggest. But in the scenario I just described, has that ever happened?

          • WCDan

            You play him, you have the blessing of CIF and of his former school, you can’t let extreme idealism cripple real world practicality, When I say Maggiore believes in integrity I mean he is straight up with the kid and with the coach from the other school. Fred you keep missing the point that there was an attempt to drag more key players over to DB, I don’t know if it was Hull or someone else, or maybe both, either way Maggiore has to eliminate that threat of other players being encouraged to leave his program. Thats why I say that without being in his shoes, especially if there was an attempt at mutiny of the program, you can’t just go out and say that you would have done this or that. By doing so you are every bit as guilty of the holier than thou attitude that you acused WC of. Anyways I gotta stop cause It’s time to go to the Hall of Fame game.

  • 12th man

    Everyone said that Scoby’s career was over & that his parents had messed everything up & that he wouldn’t play football anymore & nobody would want him! lmao…This kid will be getting a D-1 scholarship when it’s all said & done..I wouldn’t worry too much about Noodles he should be ok weather he plays this year or the next..It’s not that difficult too be a standout at DB..

  • Steve Ramirez

    Actually, it doesn’t matter which high school you attend, the college scouts will find you. Rashaan Salaam played eight-man football and still wound up at Colorado and won the Heisman.

    And Aram, that 6-foot kid (Justin Garza) for Bonita last year, is probably the best freshman collegiate pitcher. He’s 11-0 for No. 4 Cal State Fullerton.

  • Colt74

    “IF” any kid tried to start a MUTINY…I would see no problem with the captain of the ship ( coach ) making the kid walk the plank. Karma is a biotch…..

    • http://twitter.com/SGVNSports Fred J. Robledo

      You must be watching a lot of movies on your free time.

      • Colt74

        No, actually still have THE PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN song stuck in my head from Disneyland.

  • scott schumm

    Enjoyed the show. On Noodles, its unfortunate that the kid has to suffer due to the actions of adults. Im sure he just wants to play football. If he had quietly left for a new school with a new address in hand he would be cleared and participating right now.

    • http://twitter.com/SGVNSports Fred J. Robledo

      Scott Schumm, the greatest wrestler in Edgewood history, 1985 state champ.

      • scott schumm

        Your killling me Fred. Do you happen to know if EHS is going to start a wrestling program?

        • http://twitter.com/SGVNSports Fred J. Robledo

          You could probably answer that question by retuning to your roots and starting it up again? LOL, I don’t know, but from what I hear, they want to get all sports up and running again by 2014, including football.

  • http://twitter.com/sgvtrib_Mike Mike Robledo

    FJ- lots of the transfers you and Aram mention, with Canada to South Hills being the exception, are not transferring within their respective league… West Covina and Diamond Bar are still Hacienda foes (till end of 2013)…

    To be fair, Matt Simko did transfer from Claremont to Chino Hills (Sierra League rivals) for his senor year… I can’t think of another transfer who transferred within league.. Kurt S

    ask yourself honestly… would WC block Hull’s transfer if he was transferring to Charter Oak?

    • http://twitter.com/sgvtrib_Mike Mike Robledo

      to finish my sentence.. Kurt Scoby transferred from the Sierra, to the Mission, to the Rio Hondo league..

    • Bulldogs have bite

      Mike, CO will be in the Hacienda in 2014. Noodles would be a senior. So if your logic is what we are using, then yes. The point is that there was solid evidence held by WC to constitute a violation of rule 510. WC chose to submit evidence of undue influence on the tranfer form. Aram and Fred believe it is something you can just ignore and hope this email never gets into the hands of someone who could use it against WC at a later time. Stranger things have happened, so I don’t see any reason to take that risk of not doing things by the book.

  • Dan

    I agree with Fred completely on this. west Covina has a double standard , they will receive but not release. We all know they did this out of anger. We all know who they have hurt, we all know just how it works. They checked off dispute because they were so angry at noodles, which basically is not his fault. Why punish a young man for an emotional email his father sent. Moving was not the kids fault, so why punish him. Complete double standard here. In the end the young man is paying the price. Shame on west covina.

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