Sources: San Dimas running back Jake Payton has transferred to Upland

payton San Dimas junior Jake Payton, the Valle Vista league most valuable player, has transferred to Inland Division power Upland and already has competed with the Highlanders in a passing tournament, sources have confirmed. We’ve posted rumors of Payton leaving for more than a month and speculated that he would likely go to Upland. What a surprise? Now comes the big question, will Payton be eligible? This is an obvious transfer for athletic reasons, but will San Dimas challenge it? That’s the key, if San Dimas challenges it the way West Covina challenged Antonio “Noodles” Hull’s transfer to Diamond Bar, where Hull has been declared ineligible by CIF because of an athletically motivated transfer, you would assume that Payton would likely suffer the same fate. If San Dimas does nothing and Payton moves to Upland, then Payton likely will be eligible come Week 1. Just like Noodles, I hope Payton is able to play and that San Dimas will let him leave and wish him well so he can pursue his dreams. But here’s the thing, will Payton be good enough to be a star at Upland the way he was at San Dimas? Will playing a Upland, in what could be a limited role because of a huge step-up in class with many more athletes around him, help his scholarship chances more than being at San Dimas, where he is dominant in the Wing Z? If he’s eligible, that’s the risk he takes going to a power like Upland where he’s just one of many talented players. If he’s not eligible, he can ask Jordan Canada what it’s like to transfer your senior year and not be able to play. That’s the risk he’s taking, and for his sake, I hope it works out.

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  • Colt74

    From what I hear Saints will not challenge or hinder transfer in any way.

    • SDSaints

      Colt 74 you are wrong and I question where you are getting your info from. Go see Jake in 7 on 7 tournaments because it will be the only time you see him in uniform for his senior year. SD is challenging this !

      • Colt74

        I stand by what I was told PERSONALLY by a coach and not what any possible butt hurt parent(s) think.. If things change, so be it. I don’t have a dog in this race. Lord knows how parents can get involved and use situations like this to drive THEIR agendas. But, if the kid legally transfers ( which again, I was told will/did happen ), what next? Sticking pins in a voodoo doll likeness of him? Let it go. There’s a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing….

        • SDSaints

          I don’t know what coach you have been talking to, but I can tell you that all of their staff knows that Jake will not play at Upland. The AD and the coach will never let it happen.

          • FredJ

            No matter how Jake might have been influenced making this decision, I’ve always said this is the time you swallow your pride and do what’s best for the kid, not your own program. If this is the path he’s chosen, why try to stop him from pursuing his dreams? I’ve said this every time this situation comes up. Is it about allowing and giving your blessing so that the kid has every opportunity to succeed or is it about protecting your own program, and letting other kids know that if they follow the same path, this is what will happen to you. It’s not that hard really, you have to ask yourself what’s right? And if you do that, it’s a simple answer.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          Either way Jake leaving SD helps the Colts.

          • Colt74

            Yes and No. Covina was looking forward to giving it another try at containing him this year. We didn’t have much luck last year. Trust me..the MAD COW has others in the wing that will step up for the Saints. Yeah..I think that highly of them.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            yeah, but no one at Covina is crying…who are we kidding. That is a San Dimas issue…us Monrovians are not crying either. I do agree that Z will find a replacement. But Boy was Payton Fast, especially for Midvalley standards.

          • Colt74

            Not just fast but hard to bring down. The kid was/is a bear to tackle. No one at Covina is crying any more than anyone at San Dimas was crying when Ainsworth transferred to Monrovia. LOL.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Yeah, which took one weapon away from The Colts….I get it.

      • Food 4 Thought

        SDSaints for someone that claims to love this kid, you seem to be full of hatred towards him. What did the kid do to get your panties in a bunch? Be thankful you had him for 3 years and wish him luck.

    • FredJ

      That’s what I’m hearing too

  • Gimmy the Greek

    Fred, this is an entirely different situations from that of Noodles. Unless Payton’s parents/guardians were dumb enough to have sent something to the coaching staff in WRITING about their dissatisfaction then there is nothing that San Dimas or CIFSS can do about the transfer. In addition, most kids that transfer today do so with the use of bogus address changes so that there is no sit out period. However, if the family does not go the way of the address change he will have to incur the sit out period until Oct 1st. From what I understand, the coaching staff at Upland is the master of “Change of Address Transfers”, just ask the coaches over at Alta Loma High School.

    • FredJ

      What winds up happening is you punish the players whose families are naive about the transfer process while schools schools and families that are aware and no how to get around it, become eligible. What a system. BTW, I’m hearing that San Dimas will no challenge it. We’ll see.

      • Jimmy the Greek

        That’s the wrong way to look at it. what happens is that players whos parents are smart and read the rule book are better at CHEATING the system and because of that their kids are able to slip by. Just because their parents are good at cheating doesn’t make it right, just like certain kids that are using PED’s are cheating the system, but just because they don’t get caught doesn’t mean that they aren’t CHEATERS.

  • GP AKA Green Machine

    Well good luck to Jake…However, I really think Upland is taking advantage of Jake on this one. This is a Win Win for them. They add depth to their skills but for Jake this is a Risky move. No one can promise a starting spot to a kid, so he is going to have to earn it. I have watch Jake for 2 years now, he is as good as any of Upland Guys, But I don’t know if he is better, and that is where the risk is. Splitting time at Upland is not better than being the star at SD. It is higher division football, so I can see where it would be great to experience that level of play…but as far as getting a scholarship, if he does not break the starting lineup… he won’t earn one there. I think he was on the way to earning one at SD Regardless.

  • Colt74

    Posts keep getting sent for review????? Then they never get posted. Been going on for the last month.

    • FredJ

      Your posts should go straight through, I review once they’re on the board.

    • FredJ

      Your posts should go straight through.

    • Jimmy the Greek

      Try to clear your browser – history, cookies, etc – make sure you aren’t posting in the incognito version

  • Colt74

    Upland summer camp starts today at 2:30.

  • GP AKA Green Machine

    Like I said… I don’t think upland promised this kid a starting spot. I also think that if he is not actually moving to Upland, and they are tweaking his address, isn’t that Risky for the U? CIF has no problems forfeiting the games he played in? Lets see if he is eligible first and stays healthy, a sprained ankle would almost kill his chances of starting….and he is somewhat injury prone right? Instead of cruising thru workouts at SD to stay healthy…he is going to have to play game tempo every rep at the U just to crack the depth chart… ya know.

    • Saints Fan

      That is the scary part, if Jake was not promised a starting spot, I am kind of on the fence about that but that is probably right because if I am them, why would I, but HUGE risk for Jake. I can say 100% for certain, Jake has NEVER seen the day in and day out intensity he is in store for. I agree wholeheartedly, you and I both know that Upland is NOT San Dimas when it comes to Jake and his daily practice routine. When he does get his Reps, it is NOT going to be against the SD#2′s. It is going to be against players who are p&$$ed he is even there trying to take their spots. They are going to come after him with a vengeance to prove he does not belong. Then move to games, assuming he get’s early and significant reps. He is not going across the line with the likes of San Gabriel, Azusa, etc. It is going to be Monrovia (sorry, plus even more) every week, every down. Is his body going to handle that, is he ready for that mentally. This ain’t 7 v 7 for sure. And at Line Backer as has been some significant “word”… really, come on. He will not be going against Mid Valley O Lines averaging 220 lbs (taking of course the Monrovia “hogs” – they got some size for sure). Uplands Schedule and Inland Division teams have some “beef”. Sorry, I have seen Jake (and I like him very much), but I also have seen up close and personal the Vista Murrietta’s of the world…… oooooh Jakey boy, you wanna play LB, good luck !

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        I take no offense to what you say about Monrovia. We can hang with some inland teams, but the fact our players do not see them every week hurt us our games against Inland teams. By the time the players figured out how tough they had the play…the games were over. and we got snuffed out. We did win a few, but those were lower end Inland teamd. Jake did well against Monrovia, but that’s one game and they do run the wing z, were confusion in preseason can account for some his big runs, That’s not 10-13 games. I can not see him starting at LB…Upland knows this..I don’t see him starting at DB…I see him as a back up RB/WR combo player. Why…..He had 93 yards rushing on 13 carries, with a 7 yard average in the Semis last season w/ no receiving yards. If you take away any large gain, that’s not good. While Mornovia backs ran all over them. He also did not have any tackles nor Int’s. I still think he is as good, but not good enough to take someone’s job at the U. This smells more and more like bad advice. When camp comes 7 on 7 Friendships are over…everyone will be fighting not to be a bench warmer come Friday night…that means dirty hits and fights in the locker room. Especially when you are the new guy.

        • Saints Fan

          I’m with you in your analysis, but I am telling you, word on the “street” from people who know, LB was part of the sales job…. a job indeed, what kind we will see. Part of the smoke as well which is why he was at LB in the 7v7 circuit. Shame, I know we all have opinions, and they are worth exactly what we pay for them, but I am going to be bummed if this turns into another sad tale…. I hope not, as I do like the young man and looked forward to watching another year of him. One thing is for sure, if he isn’t a #1, nothing will be proved. I really don’t care if you are in the Pac 5, having some success in garbage time or spotty in games ain’t gonna prove you can hang with the next level. He goes in and win’s the #1 spot, hats off, then he would just need to do what he couldn’t with us — stay healthy for 12/13/14 games. Again if you get banged up in HS, D1 practices alone are gonna tear you apart.
          You also hit the nail on the head with another point, the U’s locker room ain’t no San Dimas.

          • Big Jim

            1,600

          • Saints Fan

            Seriously, Big Jim, you want to quote his stats to me, you don’t need to. I was there for every single one of those yards and carries. But since you want to be a stats guy and just throw up a number, you want to prove a point, let’s just do this :
            Carr / Yds / Avg / Long / TD
            08/23W 37-36Bonita (CA) 21 166 7.91 48 3
            08/31W 50-7Azusa (CA) 12 165 13.75 49 1
            09/07W 56-14San Gabriel (CA)10 101 10.10 3
            09/14L 23-35Monrovia (CA) 13 117 9.00 56 2
            09/21W 42-15Wilson (CA) 9 111 12.33 2
            09/28W 47-7Baldwin Park (CA) 11 76 6.91
            10/05W 54-14Nogales (CA) 12 226 18.83 80 4
            10/19W 44-7Covina (CA) 18 223 12.39 1
            10/26W 49-14Pomona (CA) 18 198 11.00 79 2
            11/02W 24-0Northview (CA) 14 143 10.21 1
            11/09 W Windward DNP — Injured
            11/16W 31-28San Marino (CA) 10 39 3.90 2
            11/23L 20-28Paraclete (CA) 13 93 7.15 1
            161 1658 10.30 80 22

            I have on numerous occasions professed that I really like this kid, but I know the inland division. Let’s do a little analysis shall we…. most of this schedule was weak, sorry to disrespect teams, not meant to , but just proving a point…

            Monrovia – back out 1 long run of 56 yards and you have 12/61
            Windward – DNP Injured
            San Marino – non factor – was still injured
            Paraclete – 13/93 ok, but we lost
            Good Luck. I’m done, this is a dead horse. I really really hope the best for Jake.

          • Big Jim

            I guess my question is why do you care? You don’t know him well or you would not have such a stupid opinion. i am always in awe of people who have and opinion. I don’t have one. Its his decision. Let it go Saints Fan…Worry about yourself!!

          • AMAT 73

            Saints Fan,

            He will be in the Inland division , D-2 , but practices and games and the every week banging at that level will be a test alone for him , let alone vying for a starting spot and I’m sure Upland’s summer conditioning program is no joke either. The sweltering smoggy summer in the IE will be new to Payton also . But he has his reasons and all we can do is wish him well and hope all works out .

          • Saints Fan

            come on Amat 73, you think I didn’t know that… I was just making a point that even if you want to say you are a Pac-5 Player, if you ain’t playin, you ain’t playin…. I get it.

  • Desert Rat

    The sad fact is that yes, its not fair the kids are caught up in this mess. However, Fred you are wrong for SD or any other program to swallow their pride and look the other way. You’re basically condoning athletically motivated transfers.

    Something fishy is definitely going down off Route 66 and San Antonio Ave. That’s where you should be casting the first stone if Jake ends up denied.

    • FredJ

      Has San Dimas ever benefited from a player that transferred to the school with the intention of playing sports, like Cody Watts, who instantly became a starting quarterback. If the answer yes, why did they condone an athletically motivated transfer?

      • FredJ

        My point is when players transfer, there is always an athletically motivated element to it. It has never been clearly defined what constitutes athletic motivation, but the rule says even if a fraction of your intent is athletic motivation, you should be ineligible. But it’s impossible to police. You call it looking the other way, I call it doing what’s best for the kid because I think the rule isn’t regulated fairly for everyone. You always wind up punishing the kids and families who are naive about the rule while rewarding the kids and families who are aware of the rule, but no how to get around it, and schools that no how to get around it.

        • FredJ

          To your last point, is something fishy going on at Upland that they would benefit from transfers like Jake? Probably, I don’t think he just decided on Upland without any counsel. But schools like Upland, Charter Oak and others get players to transfer to their school because of their track record of success as well.

          • Desert Rat

            I absolutely think there is something completely wrong going on and I absolutely believe there is some undue influence happening…especially at Upland. Yeah that’s great they win. They moved some kids to college. But the skill players transferring in are no way miraculous spring “god sends.” I guarantee these kids are being meticulously sought out.

        • Desert Rat

          Good point.

        • Jimmy the Greek

          Not all transfers are athletically motivated. I’m more then certain there are many transfers that occur due to the family moving to a new home in a new city for any number of reasons. And to rationalize that all kids should be cleared to play because some parents are naive when breaking the rules and others are more informed and therefore able to fool the system is ridiculous. The rules are the rules and need to be enforced when they are proven to have been broken. To let people openly break the rules without fear of being penalized would make every rule in the CIF Bluebook unenforceable. How about parents that think their 21 year old son should be allowed to participate in high school sports, should we allow that simply because those parents don’t like the 19 year old rule? Or maybe because some parents are good at altering their kids birth certificate and were able to get away with it, then all the other 21 year old kids should be allowed to get away with it as well. Maybe because some people are good at robbing banks and getting away with it then the police should let the stupid bank robbers walk because they weren’t able to catch the smart ones?

          • FredJ

            Apples and Oranges, my beef is with the athletically motivated rule, not every rule in the CIF rule book. The athletically motivated rule is impossible to force, and leaves it up to the school you’re transferring from to be your police watchdog. If San Dimas chooses not to challenge, which we’re hearing is entirely possible, then Payton likely will be eligible. So, is is fair that Payton could be eligible, and Antonio Noodles Hull ineligible because one school chose to challenge it, and one school didn’t?

          • Jimmy the Greek

            PED’s are even harder to prove, should we just throw in the white towel and say it’s ok for everyone to use them? The athletically motivated rule has to remain whether it’s easy to enforce or not. Read the CIF Mission Statement at the beginning of the Bluebook, without he athletically motivated rule the Mission Statement would be meaningless. IF YOUR TOO STUPID TO READ AND UNDERSTAND THE TRANSFER RULES PRIOR TO TRANSFERRING, YOU DON’T DESERVE TO BE CLEARED. Also, I don’t know where your coming up with this idea that the language in the athletically motivated rule is vague and difficult to interpret? I’ve read the rule and have no problem understanding what it says. You’re starting to sound like a lawyer now and everyone knows that lawyers can’t understand anything except for billable hours.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            My question to you would be..what and who is the transfer rule design to protect? Even with the rules they had 5 years ago compared to rules they have today…The same schools are winning. Outside of Baseball, which you don’t see a high number of transfers, the basketball, and football titles are shared among the same schools. In the Pac 5 football… you are going to see LB poly or one of the Trinity league teams win the title. In the Inland, Centennial vs Vista…and Serra, West Covina.. Monrovia…La Habra… Rio Hondo prep.. and so on. There has not been much variety lately. So if they dropped the transfer rules maybe things balance out across the board….anyone could become a power over night.I am not saying that all the schools I named recruit, but they all have benefited from transfer. Obviously the Private schools recruit, and benefit from transfers. I just don’t see where or how you draw the line…If Public and private compete for the same title in the same division, they should let public schools recruit. If you can convince a parent to move to your city to play sports and go to school, what’s wrong with that…maybe some schools might spend money on fields, equipment and new Books and computers to please Mommy and Daddy.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            The CIF Mission Statement says that kids are students 1st and foremost and athletes 2nd. CIF believes that stability creates an academic environment in which students flourish. Students moving from school to school for athletic reasons creates instability and is not in the best interest of the student. In addition to the Mission Statement CIF attempts to create competitive balance threw the use of tools such as re-leaguing and grouping and moving “like” leagues into several divisions. The transfer rules are just another tool that CIF uses in an attempt to create this competitive balance. Does that mean that every school will eventually be a winner? No, but these tools give schools a fighting chance to improve.

          • AMAT 73

            GP,
            You write that obviously private schools recruit and benefit from transfers. Then you go on to say since public and private compete for the same titles they should let public schools recruit . First of all what to you defines recruiting and what defines transfers . And second , all we are reading about are transfers from public to public and a whole lot of accusations of athletic influence ( recruiting in my book if involving coaches whether directly or indirectly ) on the blog . No word of transfers or recruited players to privates.Seems to me publics have the market cornered on transfers and recruiting . Also do you consider a player that transfers a recruit or is it the fact of a good program drawing players because of that fact , a good program .

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            So Private schools don’t get transfers in addition to recruiting in the first place….Are you saying that? We know that public schools can not recruit.

          • AMAT 73

            GP,

            Why is it you just can’t answer the question . AMAT has nothing to do with the topic but again you feel the need to bring them into the conversation . I am in no way saying privates do not get transfers and do not recruit . Public schools do get transfers and by all means can recruit as in , open houses , camps on their campus and so on of which AMAT does , all legal by the way. See how that type of recruiting helped AMAT with that 2012 freshman class , no transfers , all first year students . Now as I said all the spotlights are on the publics right now so how can you say they don’t recruit and get transfers . Care to explain why the 2 players in question moved from solid programs with starting positions with a chance for a title to schools where that is not the case , as you yourself have wriiten off Upland as not having a chance at the D-2 Inland title . DB , well that’s another story but I feel WC has a far better chance of a title then DB , how about you .

          • Desert Rat

            Some public schools recruit, mostly indirectly. Upland, Charter Oak and Monrovia do so. They all have intermediaries that make the connect. Gillespie and now Scoby are two I know off the top of my head, who ended up in your neck of the woods “with assistance.” Farrar was pointed in M-town’s direction before he ended up at….oh gee, UPLAND!!!.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Nice Try again… Monrovia did not recruit Kurt Scoby are you kidding me. After he went to 4 schools, we were the last option and probably the only school that would take him. Gillespie was not recruited either… He is barely going to play as a senior…. We also did not go after Farrar either. We all know dena Kids leave Pasadena on their own accord to Alemany, CO and anywhere else. I am not saying it’s wrong to accept transfers, however 99% of the Monrovia transfers were from Monrovia and unincorporated Duarte. Meaning they usually attend Monrovia or Duarte.

          • Desert Rat

            Read my initial post….then define the word “indirectly.” Secondly, whether they play or not is not my problem. There is a correlation between these transfers and many more going on out there.

            And it took you 19 minutes to respond…where’s that typing degree now. Yeah, whatever.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            “Define indirectly recruiting”. Monrovia does not have the star power to recruit…we just have to take the left overs Transfers after they experience big time football… I know what “indirectly” means….but either you recruit or you don’t…It’s all about first contact…If someone shows up your school wanting play….I don’t think that’s recruiting…Whether they play is huge..why would you recruit a kid if you know he is not going to play… You will accept a transfer not knowing if they are going to play…. He wanted to come to Monrovia, and we took him….in context to Jake…why would he go to upland if he was unsure he would play not start but just play?…now we are getting to meat of things…It took me 19 minutes because I was in the bathroom and I don’t take my Laptop in there…..you know what I mean..

          • Desert Rat

            Indirectly by means of using a middle man, an intermediary.

            I’m sorry, whether a kid plays or not is not MY problem. Kids simply don’t pan out. They don’t pan out at this level, in college or in the pros for that matter. You stack chips in hope these guys transform from a prospect to prime-time player.

            Someone sold Jake something…albeit silly I’m sure, he didn’t arrive at Upland by mere accident.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Well that would stick…if pasadena Kids were not out looking for somewhere to go in 8th grade. Some kids don’t pan out…after you ask them to leave their school…News flash…Teams don’t recruit guys they don’t need or want, and it’s not the same as college because they are bringing in 15-25 kids every year. Of course you going to have kids that don’t pan out. In High school we are talking about 1-2 kids tops. I don’t think Monrovia would risk indirectly recruiting a kid who has to beat out 2 other WR with college offers….come on going to play and forfeit a title run. Gillispie is going to be great this season…don’t get me wrong…but it’s not like Monrovia was roaming the halls of PHS for him, or sending out a middle man.

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Public schools and Private schools are all subject to the same rules. It’s as much a violation for Private schools to recruit as it is for Public schools to recruit. Maybe more Privates tend to recruit then that of Publics but, if caught, they will suffer the same penalties. Don’t kid yourself, Upland and Mission Viejo, both public schools, might be the 2 biggest violators in the Southern Section. As far as programs becoming powerhouse programs overnight, yes, that may happen but in the other direction you might see an epidemic of programs cease to exist overnight ala Blair High School from last year. For my money, I don’t think that’s what High School Sports should be about.

          • WCDan

            Your last two post bring out much needed logic to this whole issue Jimmy the G. Blatant athletic motivation and undue influence need to be controlled and discouraged at the highschool level. How does moving from school to school help a kid, especially if grades suffer due to unstability in a kids life. This opinion that schools should just let all transfers through because it’s in the best interest of the transfering student is disingenuos at best. Is it really in their best interest? Don’t see how quitting a team because things aren’t going your way, or because things look a little greener somewhere else, or because someone is whispering in a kids ear and feeding his ego, is in the best interest of a student. Maybe it’s better to focus on the best interest of the rest of the kids who remain in the program. Transfering seems to be increasing at a more rapid pace than before since this new transfer rule has taken place. Coaches need to look out for the best interest of the kids who choose to stay with the schools program, more so than looking out for the best interest of the kids who are transfering out of the program. What if several key players leave a program, or even worse, what if a program folds in the future because undue influence gets out of hand? Is that what we want in Highschool football?

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Hull and Payton are also apples and oranges. When the new transfer rules where implemented last year the athletically motivated rule was adjusted. The only way that San Dimas can challenge the transfer is if the Payton family left a paper trail to prove an athletic transfer. It’s not that one school chose to challenge and the other didn’t, it’s more likely that one player/family left evidence and the other player/family didn’t.

          • Saints Fan

            Paper Trail is not entirely accurate for a big part of this. Athletic Motivation is another topic and another part of the transfer process. If you are knowledgeable about this at all, you know that A Key form is the CIF Form 510. In this, basically the Student / Parents , Care Giver, etc. ATTEST–” By signing this affidavit, I certify that no person/s connected with the athletic department of the new school (School
            “B”) or is part of the booster club of School “B”, or who was acting on their behalf has had communication, directly or indirectly, through intermediaries or otherwise with this transfer student, student’s parents, legal guardian or caregiver, or anyone acting on behalf of this student, prior to the completion of the enrollment process at School “B”.

            Now, next part of the form is the FORMER School ATTESTING that they have no “credible” knowledge that….. “My signature below attests to the best of my knowledge I have no credible**evidence of any person/s connected with the athletic department of the
            new school (School “B”), who is part of the booster club of the new school (School “B”) or who is acting on their behalf, having communication, directly or indirectly, through intermediaries of otherwise with the transfer student, student’s parents, legal guardian or caregiver, or anyone acting on behalf of the student, prior to the completion of the of the enrollment process. —- So then the form defines “Credible” as **Credible evidence is considered as evidence which proceeds from a trustworthy source; evidence which is so natural, reasonable, and probable as to make it easy to believe; information which is obtained from authentic sources or from the statements of persons who are not only trustworthy, but also informed as to the particular matter; that which is not mere speculation or rumor.” —– therefore, you DO NOT need a formal paperwork trail of improprieties, but it does have to be more than Blog Rumor (I laugh as I type that).

            Therefore, everyone’s definition here of “Challenge” the transfer is kind of muddled….. Let’s say that SD looks in the mirror, maybe they have some knowledge of what the situation is, so they say 100% in their minds and heart they can NOT ATTEST to the statement, so they just refuse to put their reputation on the line saying nothing happen. It would then be up to CIF to determine if them not ATTESTING is enough for the player to gain eligibility. Rather, if they do sign, then they go no further and just move on.

            Oh yah, and then the NEW School signs the same statement ATTESTING that they are not aware of anything Directly or INDIRECTLY blah blah….

            A big part of all this is also the “timing of enrollment” the question to be posed elsewhere in this thread.

          • Saints Fan

            By the way, this form is KEY even with a Change of Address

          • Jimmy the Greek

            Actually we are talking about two different things. What you are referring to is “undue influence and pre-enrollment contact” both of which require a different degree of proof in order to enforce. “Athletically Motivated” as of last last June, now requires documented proof in order to enforce. From what I understand, the documented proof requirement had something to do with the settlement of the lawsuit that Mater Dei brought against CIF.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Sure did, and there no Secret about that…His family moved here just for ball…

  • Highlander

    Motive to challenge could be one of many. First challenging would not only send a message to Payton but to all the kids who treat high school like its a business. It’s sad that kids pick and choose based on the “possible” scholarship. The point of high school is to go to SCHOOL and SD is more academically challenging than Upland. Second, SD and that program helped jake through a very challenging time in his life. They treated him like a family and embraced him in his time of need. Would they be butt hurt…sure. If SD challenges this, I’m hearing they will and I’m also hearing they have got him nailed, he will be the one who looked bad. Trying to leave a team where he was treated like family, taking advice from people who exploit these kids for their own gain, and being a poster child for the selfish attitude of this ME first generation will look worse for him than it will for SD. With that being said, if he gets cleared we will take him!!! Depth. In our division is very necessary. If he is as injury prone as everyone says then the more the merrier.

    • Colt74

      High school is a business. Always has been. No different than an employment agency or headhunter. Their job is to help you and prepare you for a job or college.
      Kids change schools all the time and it’s never written about. Kids transfer to schools for a better Drama Club/department, better Music department etc… because it’s a better fit for their personal skills. But the skill set an athlete possesses deserves to be treated differently? Please tell me you don’t really believe about anyone ( including CIF ) doing this because of stability. It’s all about public schools getting $ while that student is enrolled in their school. And ONE transfer in 4 years does not create instability in a young persons life, especially if they are all for it. I was raised in a military family and went to 5 different schools in 3 different countries by 7th grade. The times have changed and yes, it’s all about ME now. It will never go back to how it used to be and like someone earlier said, as long as private and public schools have to compete in the same arena then BOTH should be able to recruit. If your school can not attract the best students/athletes that is the schools fault and no one else’s. And if any coach at any school was butt hurt because they helped a kid and feel that the kid was not ” paying back ” his debt to that school for their act(s) of kindness that coach has no business being a coach. It should be ONLY about the kids, their dreams, and helping them, if possible, reach for them. Actually, I thought that was the ONLY job of any teacher or coach.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        With a cash strapped State, Cities and schools Districts High school football generates tons of cash. If a school has a shot at being good, you can make tons of money with tickets, tshirts, food, and fundraising…Schools like Upland and San Dimas, which have averaged 13 games for the last 5 years, lead me to believe it’s a business. Now if you are coaching at Genesha, or Keppel then I would say it’s about the kids. They go 1-10 every year, yet they still have people over there who care enough to show up and coach kids.

        • Colt74

          My own personal feeling is that Mr. Payton should have stayed at San Dimas. Last time I checked though, Mr. Payton did not ask for my opinion. I PERSONALLY think that he let outside influences blow smoke up his south end. D-11 to D-2 is a HUGE overnight step and he will find out if he’s as good as the smoke blowers have filled him with REAL quick. I think he is and will do alright, but I don’t think he will have anywhere near the numbers as he would have if he stayed with the Saints.

          I also think that Coach Z will have someone step up and fill his vacancy in no time at all. A kid by the name of Martinez comes to mind…

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      Any one who has played ball knows…Great players get treated different than average players…I don’t think Sd would have did so much for this kid if he was not franchise. So in return for their help, Jake as a huge part of two Semifinals runs.

  • Saints Fan

    Again, I have mixed emotions on this, I do like Jake. However, remember first and foremost, WHO SPIT FIRST? Had a charmed life at SD, was a Captain last year (only NON Senior), if he wanted some exposure on defensive side of ball would have gotten it this year (if he could handle the conditioning required)…. so again, returning fire is not the same as taking the initial shot. And I am not saying they should challenge, but at some point, everyone needs to be accountable for their actions and understand that in LIFE, there are always consequences for what you do, sometimes good, sometimes not so good. He is rolling the dice and quite honestly he is counting on SD being as nice to him now as they have been historically. I trust the Coach & Admin will do what they believe is the right thing.

  • True Identity

    This was taken straight from a release given by Coach Z, “Recently, I have learned that Jake Payton plans on transferring at the end of the school year,” Zernickow said in a prepared statement. “While this is a family decision, we want to thank Jake Payton for spending the last 3 years with us. We love Jake Payton, and we hope he is able to achieve the dreams and goals he has in playing football. My door will always be open for Jake.”

    If this is truly the case and how he and San Dimas feels then if they contest Payton’s transfer, what does that say about motives?

  • Saint08

    LIke i posted yesterday, look into that 7 0n 7 program in Upland,

  • Why Not

    GP, I notice you like to put Farrar’s name out there as someone Monrovia didn’t recruit when he decided
    to transfer and check your facts. I know for a fact that Monrovia alums whose sons played for the team at the time contacted his father and sent out feelers and were shot down the First time he went to Alemany and the Second time he went to Upland where he is flourishing in the classroom an on the field.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      The Farrar Family is big in Monrovia, that could have been a relative…..

  • CloudsAbove

    Fred and the scoop. You need to talk to Z and the real coaches cuz there is no way they are letting Payton going without a challenge.

  • Food 4 Thought

    Let me throw this out there for everyone to ponder. This kid ran for over 1600 yards, scored 24 tds, League MVP, MidValley Player of the year and so on. From what I heard from people at San Dimas, schools like UCLA, ASU, Fresno, Boise St, Air Force, Army, San Jose State, Reno, New Mexico and some more came to see him at school during the open period for recruiting last month. And if as most of you are positive he wouldn’t be promised a starting position at ANY higher division school. What ATHLETIC MOTIVATION could there be? Or is there more that is going on here?

    • MonkeyWrench

      The motivation is those school come to Upland with offers not a look see.

      • Saints Fan

        They came to Upland not looking for kids to offer because they are just Upland kids…. they go to see the Athletes that are there and would have been D1 guy’s no matter what school they are at — Jo Jo, Kenny Lawler, they would have got it if they played 8 man football at some academy. Let’s not start more silliness. There are a ton of guy’s at Upland who don’t get offered. D1 guy’s get D1 offers and it is as simple as that. Let’s not make this any more complicated than it really is. Upland has done a GREAT job with their program. They have attracted Great players to their program. But D1 guy’s are D1 guy’s and in many cases it starts before they are in HS.

  • Food 4 Thought

    Does anyone know where the 3 replacements for Jake Payton are from?
    1) Joseph Mayorga – Transfer from San Gabriel – not athletically motivated. Head coach quits and kid moves schools. Not sure where he lives.
    2) Alvarado – transfer from Charter Oak – lives in Covina I believe.
    3) Martinez – lives in Pomona but goes to San Dimas. One of the Pomona schools is missing out on a great back.

    Pot calling the kettle black?

    • Saints Fan

      Mayorga – yep did just transfer in, that one can’t really argue.
      Alvarado – xfer in during his Soph year, was a non-factor at Charter Oak, do you really want to compare Charter Oak Education to that of San Dimas? Really the same as 3 yr Varsity player, Starter, supposedly Team Leader as JR Captain ???
      Martinez – can’t say for 100% certain, but know he was on campus during Soph yr, think he came in as a Frosh — uuum Pomona Education, wanna start that one also, you think its’ the same. Quit reaching for straws…
      Also your comment below sums it up exactly on why Advise being received is ludicrous and even adds to the argument against xfering during your senior yr for purely exposure purposes. Those D1 schools were already on him, already looking at him, unless they specifically said, “hey we are not going to offer you unless you play at a higher level” aaah you think that was the conversation, I don’t think so.
      I wanted to be out of this, but dang too easy to jump in this stupidity. So there is your Black Kettle sir !!! Sorry, still having fun with this.

      • OuttaYourMindTrib

        API – PUSD;
        DR – 798
        Garey – 647
        Ganesha – 627

        API – BUSD;
        BHS – 838
        SD – 795

        :topic hijack: Sort of related question, is somebody that comes in as a Freshman really considered a “transfer”?

        • observantcat

          Those are interesting statistics. Monrovia is at 803 and climbing.

          • Jastrab

            Forget about API – review National Merit Scholarships – semi finalist or finalist. How many semi-finalist has SD had in the last 10 years? NMS provides a better measure of how your school has prepared students across a national scale.

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            Forget NMS, let’s look at Persistence to Degree if we REALLY want to compare who’s HS has done a better job of preparing it’s students for the rigors of College.

            Two-year Public 25.4%
            Two-year Private 51.4%
            Four-year Public 36.6%
            Four-year Private 54.7%
            For a staggeringly pathetic 42.025%

        • Highlander

          Your stats are old. SD is 827

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            and your point is??? Does the fact those stats are old change the argument one iota? No.

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