CIF Football Polls: Is the Mid-Valley the weakest Division in CIF?

CIF-SOUTHERN SECTION FOOTBALL POLLS
Click on the link and check out all the polls. It’s got me wondering, is the Mid-Valley Division the weakest of all 13 playoff divisions? Monrovia is a legitimate No.1, but 2-10 is as weak a division as I can remember.

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  • Not Since 1995

    Really…? C’mon Alfredito…! Even you are better than this….!

    Is this what they call in Public Speaking…”A Rhetorical Question?”

    The MildCATS lost to St. Francis! St. Francis…Fred…! St. Francis is what Division 4,,,?

    Hell…Flag football thinks they can beat the MildCATS along with everyone else in that powerhouse that it Division 11.5…!

    Not in 2013…

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      There you go!!! I thought you retired…Well….you are going to have to discredit the entire Hacienda…the Mildcats beat the team that beat the best team in the league….Ayala did beat DRanch…

  • Football 101

    Fred an No sense 1995 you guys are clowns. The kids see you guys write negative stuff and they are busting there butts to play the game. I bet neither one of guys even started on any high school football team.

    • FredJ

      I would hope the kids you speak of are thicker skinned than that, and if there is any reaction, it would be to keep working hard. Why is criticism a negative thing?

  • reality

    Got to agree with 101. What point is there to calling out 25 or so teams as the worst in the Southern Section? Is your point to humiliate young men that fight on for their teams and to try to make them quit? Or are you dopes angling for web hits because they have dried up? In any event this headline was a totally unnecessary cheap shot to promote your blog at the expense of what, 1,000 young men. It’s the Trib that’s weak, not the Mid Valley.

    • AZTEC PRIDE

      Right on Reality, well said.

    • FredJ

      Not trying to call anyone out, just giving an observation. If this hurt’s people’s feelings, get over it.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Believe it or not the SGV as a whole is considered small time football…Do you see your coverage area as ” Small time” football? How do you feel about covering such and area… I ask because you turn the microscope on the little guys like Monrovia, but you don’t give the same effort when undressing the lancers….You all have been putting a lot of weight on the “Super Sophomores” and the future…, but if they don’t go to playoffs this year….what makes you think they will in the next two years? Especially when they are losing the best QB they have had in years…Can’t we do a spread on how the Entire SGV looks to the rest of the world…I mean we pull Chino Hills in just to get some cred, but if we take the true Core SGV teams….well you know the rest.

        • AMAT 73

          GP,
          What do you call wins over CO and CH this season ??? Aren’t they in the Inland ???????? And according to you lower level .

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            But Rancho beat you….Chills already reach the semis in the inland…Co was a two year hit wonder…..

          • D-Mo

            Hey, CO ain’t no 2 hit wonder. Every season they hold back early on so their players can’t hardly take it. Then they open up the can of whoopass. You’ll see. Another League Championship is just a few weeks away.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Maybe… but you won’t make a dent in the Inland playoffs and then it’s back to South East…so we will never know what could have been regarding upper division. Plus do you think CO is going to be better next year after losing those stud Dlinemen, Brown, and the kid going to Boise? Do you think they are going to win the South East next year? That land scape is going to be so different….Teams are losing a whole bunch…

          • patriot_dmo@yahoo.com

            We have dented the Inland Playoffs. Just can’t bust in to the top 4. Come on! I remain impressed with these Chargers. I do believe we should have beat RC last year. I know, I know.
            As for their future, they do have some promising players. Zion is the next in a long line of deadly running backs to thrill CO fans. Brown’s little brother, Kam, is probably their next QB. He’s can play. Big freshman coming up also.
            It will be interesting next season. I would expect them to be right there come finals.

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            With that cakewalk of a division you’ll be playing in starting next year, yeah sure. You’ll make it at least to the semi’s.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            I don’t see it that way… Transfer Doors swing both ways in the SGV…What’s going to keep the talent at CO…They are in the southeast just like everyone else…The inland upper division sales pitch was worked in the past, what’s the bait now…respectfully speaking…

          • Inland_FB_Fan

            That is if these kids don’t transfer to Amat or So. Hills.

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            One and done in the playoffs is the payoff for the Sierra League Champions this year. Enjoy the league title and savor the humiliating beat down.

          • Frank

            Sure D-mo

          • Inland_FB_Fan

            Ok, let me get this right. They lose on purpose to teams like Glendora so they will be “hungry” when league starts???? LOL. Hey a$$ clown, you know how ridiculous that sounds? You know those 4 losses will kill their seeding if they make the playoffs, right? Assuring that they will be 1 and done come playoff time.

          • patriot_dmo@yahoo.com

            Who said lose on purpose? You know how ridiculous you would look if you said that to me in person. I am easy to find if you want to try.

          • Inland_FB_Fan

            ok then, enlighten us by what you mean by ” Every season they hold back early on so their players can’t hardly take it.” ? While losing 4 in a row. Just because you posess a lack of intellect you want to resort to ghetto thuggery???

          • patriot_dmo@yahoo.com

            Ghetto thuggery? Look don’t run your mouth to me while hiding behind a screen name.
            Anybody that has seen CO play over the years will tell you. They play a very vanilla preseason. It ain’t what they run at practice. This season they stayed true to form, yes losing in part due to some sloppy playing and turnovers. Roosevelt and Glendora should feel very fortunate with those wins. I doubt you were there, so take my word for it. Los Al too. Compare our Damien game with Damien vs Los Al.

          • Inland_FB_Fan

            I have watched all of CO’s games. CO did not “hold back” they choked against Roosevelt and Glendora…. 2 “average” inland division teams they should have beat. The did beat a crumbling Damien team and an over rated Los Osos team. They are 2-4 because they played poorly, not because they held back. They should be 4-2, but aren’t.
            I am not hiding and am not running my mouth. If you feel threatened, that is your problem. Are you the little boy who ran home with the ball when things didn’t go your way????

          • patriot_dmo@yahoo.com

            OK whatever. My last post went for review, so I am done with this. Threatened, yeah right. By someone who must work in the snack bar? Obviously just a FAN with a big mouth.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            What does a Sierra league title equate to in the Inland if your not Chino HIlls?

          • Inland_FB_Fan

            I believe the Inland division is not very strong this year. In a normal year, no way is Chino Hills the 4th ranked team in CIF with the team they have this year. All the usual top teams have had struggles this year. If Chino Hills wins their next 4 games, they will be seeded in the top 4 for the playoffs…..in my opinion, they are not that calibre of a team this year if the Inland was as strong as it usually is.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Listen Cent lost to Poly and Alemany….BA is getting ready to lose to Alemany. Vista Lost to Cathedral Cath # 13 in the state…The Inland will still be won on the I-15…not the the 71 expressway. Those two teams win the Inland like Monrovia wins the Midvalley…

          • Inland_FB_Fan

            I agree, the only other team with a shot might be Rancho. I think even they are down this year as compared to the last couple of years.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Not too down….they never beat BA until this year.

          • AMAT 73

            GP,
            Did you or did you not say that AMAT cannot beat lower level Inland or Mission teams ??????? I could have thrown in the slime , Mission lower level team but not worth it and even when they had Scoby , by the way how are he and Potts doing ??? I really can’t say AMAT would have won the Inland or the Mission as the games need to be played but I do know they would be in the thick of it without a doubt in my mind . I think your thinking on CO will be drastically changed after this Friday night . On RC no excuses they beat us but you know we gave them plenty of help in that game plain and simple but that’s water under the bridge and really there is no shame in losing to the Inland’s #1 team . Before you go there , remember Alemany lost ot Norco , where do you place them in the Inland , top , middle , or lower level ? .One thing about turning up the heat , you have to consider the source on who’s turning the dial for it to matter .

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Lower level meaning that the Inland and Western teams are lower level Divisional teams…So in the last 4 years and this year…could BA beat

            Centennial-NO
            Vista Murrieta-NO
            Rancho CuC – NO
            Serra-NO
            Chaminade-NO

            Alemany has been to the semi’s recently…and you play them soon, so that one will be answered on the field…

            Consider the Source…what bad can you really say about a D11 public w/ 1700 kids. A program that’s dominated it’s level, and beats schools 4-9 divisions above them? Really…what standard should a team like Monrovia be held to? We all hold BA to higher standard because of Division, Program, tradition, and history…However if you look at your early preseason wins against down Pac5 teams, those teams bounce back…look at Servite…Sm will be back.. Plus they are fresh off titles as well. We just don’t get the feeling that BA will bounce back. It just does not look that way.
            Will BA ever win another D1 Title..Honestly without all that it’s so hard stuff… Trinity league teams think they can win it… Alemany thinks they can win it…What about you…We are all reading the Super Sophomore articles, but I don’t see a super soph QB or RB….There are just too many positional holes every year at BA to win on that level…one year you have this, but don’t have that…the next year you have that but don’t have this….You hang everything on on preseason wins against lower level schools… The year that BA plays 4 top Socal schools in preseason, might be the year they go deep….that will be the year you are ready for league and playoffs.. and this has nothing to do with beating up us lower level sGv schools.

          • Frank

            You make a lot of great points. But monrovia 1700 kids, you forgot to ad in +Duarte players. M-town has benefited heavily from Duarte. Its known that any one in duarte with talent isn’t going to duarte high.
            As for amat, yes they need to win at the higher level. Last year was their best chance but the enormous amount of injuries did them in.
            This years team is not as complete those sophmores not a big deal, amat always has a couple of great sophmores. 2-3 great players does ot get it done in the pac-5.
            I don’t agree with comparing between divisions. But if the lower level teams start barking about who they could beat and haven’t even played. They need to get a reality check.

          • AMAT 73

            GP,
            First off we do not hang everything on preseason . That is more of a MTown thing as that’s the only place you can get respect from the blog .Like Ocat says and you to some extent your season is a rest period for your team to prepare for the playoffs, and you wonder why topics like this come up ????
            As far as do I think we will win a title , yes I do . If all the Trinity teams think they can then I would say all the Serra teams think the same . Only 4 different teams have won it since 06 and between 88 – 05 only 8 different teams won and many of them are no longer in the division. By the way , Alemany , SJB, ND have never won a title at this level . Life is tough at the top but what would you know about that ???? By the way there is a soph QB but he’s behind Koa and there’s not to much to say about that as there isn’t a spot for him on the field right now ,but we will be fine at the position next season . I do agree we need to come up with a RB that we are used to having in our backfield but I am sure we will have one by next season ( you know via all that recruiting we do or looming on the freshman team ) and the one’s toting the rock now will do just fine . What is killing us right now are the turnovers , that is the number one problem that needs addressing .

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Respect from the Blog….well…I will see what you have to say in 3-4 more weeks…

          • AMAT 73

            GP,
            Go back and read what I wrote . What big win will you have in 3-4 weeks for you to wait and see what I say considering you have So Pas , La Canada , and that RHL power Blair ?????? What’s to gain by beating them ????????

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Yeah, but that’s our league, that’s are division…can’t help that… The Serra is your league and pac 5 is your division…I never came out said anything on this thread about beating upppers… I am saying we should be looking at the entire sgv as a whole…not just singling out the midvalley…We never talk about where other teams fit…This was kind of cheap shot because with all be said, D11 is D11 with the Exception of one team. We all know that Mtown can bang in the southeast teams and beats mid level inland teams….We all know that despite being Ranked high everywhere….come nov BA will lose to whomever they play if they make the playoffs, because they have lost control of the Serra and will never get a winnable first round game….We know the any Sierra league team will lose in the inland playoffs 2nd round tops, and maybe CHills…This has been proven over the last five years. No one talks about this stuff, we just smooth it over…bang on D11 teams and stuff… you know.

          • AMAT 73

            GP,
            Basically this thread served it’s purpose . The blog was dead and Fred thows up a semi controversial topic , bam over 100 hits tada !!!!! But no one with any football knowledge would question the competition in the divisions or once playoffs begin in the Inland or Pac-5 divisons because the majority of the 16 playoff teams in each division could knock each other off on any given day and are basically better than any team in any other division with the exception of Serra and Chaminade who are moving up to the PAC-5 making it even tougher . Of course those who draw the top 4 seeds as opponents have a tougher road because you face the top teams in the division and on the road . After round one it gets even tougher and so on . Same goes for the Inland so maybe that’s why it gets smoothed over as you say . Another thing is beating lower level Inland and Southeast teams ocassionally does not mean you belong . Playing a strong preseason then a strong Southeast league schedule where your season is not a rest period such as the Hacienda is a whole different world . Honestly I don’t think MTown would be in the playoff hunt if they were in the Hacienda , maybe in the Pacific they would , how about you ????

    • Wells

      This may not have not been the first topic for a blog, but it is meant to generate hits — which it has done. There are more hits on this post than all the positive volleyball posts put together.
      This post was not to make people quit. There is a reason why teams are placed into divisions – to make championships more equitable.
      However, there is truth in Fred’s post. As an example, San Dimas may make the semifinals, maybe the finals in this division. They have losses against teams that will just make it into the playoffs and may lose badly the first round.
      Players on the teams in this division were commended in a post last week.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        This is SD down year after losing Payton…Kick em when they are down, but the last few years they have been good

        • Let Them Play

          SD is still good this year. Once they settled into the offense with out JP they began to roll. YOU guys played a Freshman Qb and they played 2 rookie Soph guards. it was a great game. Sd has rolled 2 previously undefeated teams in the division both ranked higher than them. Now they have SOP transfers eligible and they are making an impact. Just check the boxscore from BP game. SD is just fine and is looking for a rematch.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            yeah… I hear you. They will be good, but not good enough to beat Monrovia or Paraclete….

          • observantcat

            Before you go thinking that your additional teammates are going to make a big difference, you might want to take a look at Monrovia’s recent additions, believe me they are going to make much more of a difference than that of SD. You don’t’ really want to a rematch with Monrovia unless it’s the final and the weather calls for a tsunami. LOL

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        yeah, the Dranch loss to Ayala really hurts them because D11 Monrovia beat Ayala…If Dirty Ranch wins the Hacienda, then what? Sdimas played Monrovia better then Ayala did…Just face it the Midvalley and South east are comparable with the Southeast being deeper at the top…but not that much better…

        • OuttaYourMindTrib

          That loss to Ayala is a big turd sitting in their underwear stinking up the joint.

          LOVE IT!!!

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Eventually you have to change that diaper

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            Yep, they’ll have a chance to change it next season.

            Honestly, they can’t really make much of a claim in the overall rankings because of that smelly old thing. League… meh… they can say whatever they want because that is under their control at this point. But that loss to Ayala does NOT help their cause.

            LOL

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Yea and the Hacienda league as whole is being drug down by that old thing….No matter what happens now…you just pull out the ol “Dranch lost to Ayala”, Card and that’s it…

    • Inland_FB_Fan

      This is real life…..not AYSO soccer where everyone gets to play, and then go for pizza. That is the problem with American society now days. Everyone needs to be told they are great and they need their self esteem built up. Life is not always fair and there isn’t always pizza and ice cream and a warm hug by mommy and daddy after the game. The sooner kids realize this, the tougher they will be and the better prepared for “real life” they will be…. Like Fred said “Get over it”

  • VVL

    The Southern is the weakest. CDM is legit other than that, Arroyo, Monrovia, Paraclete, and San Dimas would be up at the top. The Southern and the Mid Valley would be a very competitive division if the were combined like North and South. Even the lower teams in the Mid Valley would compete. Northview, Montebello, Bell Gardens. These teams would do very well in the Southern.

  • Saints Parent

    Dang Freddie, just a little research would show you your statement (although you throw it out there as a question so you can’t be bashed too hard) is untrue…
    Southern / Northeast / and even East Valley are all weaker divisions. Maybe instead of “memory” you go out and research a little. Yes, the Mid Valley is not a juggernaut, but there are a ton of weaker teams out there. Yah, throw Monrovia out of “your” analysis, but if you take Arroyo, San Marino, San Dimas, Paraclete, Bell Gardens —- Definitely in Top 10 of Northwest (Div 10), probably a few crack the top 10 of Eastern (Div 8).
    but then again, your just trying to stir the little pot on a Tuesday morning since you know 90% of your blog hits are the Amat crew (who love to bash little boy football as they call it) — Monrovia faithful and the rest of the Mid Valley fans.

    • FredJ

      It’s debatable, and didn’t just throw it out there, look at Calpreps’ state division rankings http://calpreps.com/2013/ratings/California_divisions.htm

      The Mid-Valley is ranked 28th with the Southern ranked just a notch below at 29. The Northeast, which is where most of the small privates play like RHPrep, and Pasadena Poly, is ranked 13th among Southern Section schools. As we’ve learned in the past, if Rio Hondo prep were in the Mid-Valley where would they be ranked? Probably No. 2 behind Monrovia and ahead of current No. 2 Arroyo. I think the Northeast 2-10 would match-up well against the Mid-Valley’s 2-10.

      As far as a comparison to the Southern, it’s very close.

      • Saints Parent

        That is EXACTLY where I went to get my info. If you dive a little deeper, as that schedule you link to takes ALL teams in a division, but if you were to say just carve out the Top 10 teams, and to use your “logic”, we will say that the #1 Team in each division get’s pulled out as they are way atop the rest…. adding up the Rankings of the Top 9 after you get —
        Mid Valley – 98.9
        Southern – 46.5
        Northeast – 8.4
        East Valley – 48.4
        Northwest – 116.1 — however, the Top 10 in this division is ALL 5 teams from the Tri Valley with 1-4 being from that league so how does that work, that is ENTIRE League is 50% of the Top 10, seems CIF has a problem with that division because 5 team league is only going to get, 2 auto’s into playoffs, last year they took 2 at large teams in the division – they gonna take them all from the same league this year , then it still leaves 1 top 10 team sitting at home… so without the Tri Valley League — as the next 5 in that division include Maranatha, La Salle & Azusa —- we know how that turns out, so that is why I put the Mid Valley at least on par with that division in total.
        Remember, some of us bloggers know how to do some research also…. Again, Mid Valley is not a dynamo, but it is far from the “worse” division in CIF. Why offend a huge population of YOUR bloggers.
        It would be like us bloggers comparing the SGV Tribune and saying you are one of the “worse” newspapers in So Cal, you know, comparing to the LA Times, OC Register, LA Daily News, Glendale News Press, Long Beach Press Telegram, etc….. we wouldn’t want to do that and offend you.

        • FredJ

          I have no problems with any of you comparing us to anyone else, nor do I have any problems with criticism.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Well, I wouldn’t worry too much…the trib’s coverage is better than all those papers…

          • Saints Parent

            That was EXACTLY my point. The Trib is exactly what it should be and never in a million years can or will compete with the LA Times, et al….. ergo, the Mid Valley is what it is. It will never compete with the Pac 5 or Inland Division, but does that make it the “worse”…. it makes it different. Mid Valley teams are different by nature, be it school size, population, socio economic, whatever. In the Mid Valley, 1 or 2 Players makes a difference ( a la Scoby, Payton, Coto, etc ). I guess I kind of am getting tired already with this “is the Mid Valley the Worse”…. then you have Aram on the PrepXtra, “can we just get this season over and move on to next year”…. WTH. I guess this year to date can just be termed the YEAR OF NEGATIVITY… we are all guilty. The San Dimas Gate / Payton vs Z / Is Scoby gonna be Eligible? / Upland Coaching Issues / Hull Not being Eligible while Scoby & Payton Are / etc etc ,,,, just taking its’ toll on all of us I guess.

          • FredJ

            Bad comparison, we don’t compete with the LA Times because we have vastly different areas of coverage. They’re not capable of covering the San Gabriel Valley as thorough as we do, and we don’t cover the areas outside the SGV with the exception of a few Inland area schools.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            It’s hard on the writers because they too want to cover the top teams in the southland, and for the trib they do, it’s just so happens to be lower level schools like Monrovia, RHP ETC…They are the top teams in the Socal when talking lower level. But my question would be…if we fast forward to next year is it going to be any different? Do we have any teams in the SGV that can win any upper division title. It may be time to face the music….SGV schools fit right in the South East- Mid Valley level….and that’s it. No Pac5, No Inland…Not one team since CH has even smelled a title on that level.

  • Dustin ohara

    I think Pomona can hang with monrovia they really have it going just my oppion

    • Saints Parent

      Pomona has athletes, there is no doubt about that. They have always had athletes. The question, is do they play disciplined and within a system that promotes the team winning or a free for all. Problem is you won’t find out until Nov 8th. They will be undefeated going into San Dimas and a great season to that point. From there, you can be sure SD will be prepared and fired up. Should be a great game.

      • Dustin ohara

        I agree and san dimes is on quite a roll right now

    • observantcat

      Let’s see if they can keep the San Dimas game to within 3-4 TD’s first then you can bring in some MTown conversation. Didn’t Pomona barely get by Northview?

      • Dustin ohara

        Yes they did but style points dont matter they got the w to remain undefeated

      • Football 101

        If you check you records you will see in the past 2 years the only team to play Mtown close in playoffs was Pomona. I don’t know if that can happen this year but I do believe some respect had to be gained. San dimas is good team and will be a tough game for Pomona.

    • FredJ

      What’s great about Pomona’s schedule is if they’re legit, they should be 9-0 going into Week 10 against San Dimas for the league title. We’ll known then if they’re legitimate finalist hopefuls. You notice I said finalist. Nobody is touching Monrovia.

      • Dustin ohara

        Your prob correct Fred monrovia gotta get that freshman qb going though before tough play comes any idea how long Potts is out? At least my bro is private mentoring fresh qb so he should be great:)

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      I don’t

  • GP AKA Green Machine

    Where are going with this one?..is this relevant when discussing SGV football. Historically all of the teams in our area are completely over matched in out of area Upper division football which is tough. Let’s take a look..BA has not been able to do anything in Pac 5…CHIlls is the only Sierra league team that has done anything in the inland…Maybe Glendora has a deep run later…St Francis waxed D11 Monrovia, but will have to beat Serra and Chaminade before you can start praising them as legit D4 power. La Habra is has a legit history of winning in a decent field. After that it’s all Southeast, Northwest, Northeast and Midvalley talk. You can argue points here and there…but overall you would measure lower level by the top 2 teams in the division when it comes to our area. Those are the teams you would have to beat to win those divisions. We have seen Midvalley teams beat or play with the South East Champs(Covina vs West Co). What did that say about the SE in those years? How do you explain that? We have seen midvalley teams beat South East playoff teams. We have seen RHP beat southeast teams…I would like to see how this ties into what’s going on in our area? It seems like you are bashing the Midvalley, but history has shown outside of BA and CH…SGV teams bang with each other….

    • Steve Ramirez

      I think St. Francis can get to the semifinals…but they’ll have to prove they can beat Serra and Chaminade. But they are definitely a top four team in the Western Division.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Maybe, I am just saying they are a 3rd place team in league…They won’t get a top four seed. Which means, they will be out in the 2nd round…But that’s because of the league they play in. If they finish 2nd or win league….watch out…but as far as beating Serra or Chaminade both and twice, it won’t happen. But SF is really good right now…

    • Inland_FB_Fan

      I was told by many college recruiters that they don’t spend much time recruiting the SGV because the density of D.1 “athletes” is very small and many of the athletes that are quality cannot qualify ( GPA, SAT, NCAA clearinghouse, etc). I think this is where demographics comes into play. The inland area ( Fontana down the 15 fwy to Temecula ), Rancho/Upland area, Corona area, etc), The OC and the San Fernando valley has much richer pickin’s they said. They say the kids are much more refined and the educational standards are higher so they have a better chance of qualifying.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        I don’t believe all that, but the SGV has to be one of the smallest areas in Southern Section…Compared to the IE, OC, Valley, LA and Temecula Area. If you take away Pasadena, the SGV is even smaller than some cities in the other area’s I mention…. However, My point was that we have not won many football games outside the SGV. The lower level teams are as good as the lower level small schools in any area, but the upper division teams, and larger schools have not done so well… If you look at it from Monrovia’s level, the SGV is among the best around…public schools smaller than 2000 kids….If you look at if from schools that are larger or think they are upper division, we don’t fit those shoes, and that is because the demographics have changed. Just 15-20 years ago BA was #1 in socal, Dbar won Div 2 and Muir was making the semi’s in Division two. See..how times have changed…

        • Inland_FB_Fan

          The combined population of incorporated cities and unincorporated communities in the San Gabriel Valley is approximately 1.7 million in 2012, almost a fifth of the population of Los Angeles County.
          The region is larger than the metropolitan areas of Las Vegas, Manhattan, Philadelphia, San Diego and San Francisco. If it were a county, the San Gabriel Valley would be larger than that of 52 of California’s 58 counties.
          (Stats from the SGV economic partnership website)

          That doesn’t seem so small to me!!!!

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Inland Empire population 4 million…
            Corona 168,000
            Eastvale 57,000

            Murrieta 100,000
            Temecula 100,000

            Orange County population…3 million…600,000 live in Anaheim and Santa Ana Alone..

            SGV
            Pasadena 140,000-9 schools + Alemany

            West Covina 100, 000 2 schools

            Monrovia 37, 000

            San Dimas 33000
            Covina 50,000 -4 schools..(Charter Oak…Umm)

            La Puente 37,000

          • Inland_FB_Fan

            Also, the SGV is mostly latino. If you take a historical look @ hispanics in college football , you will see that even though they make up a majority of the population in the SGV, the % of D.1 college scholarships they earn is much lower than that of whites and blacks. The IE has a higher percentage of whites and blacks, therefore the amass a higher # of scholarships that SGV athletes. My studies kept coming back to a college education is not as valued in the hispanic culture therefore many students are taking courses to graduate, not qualify for college.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Umm…I don’t know…I would say that other ethnic groups have not been playing Football as a whole for a long time. You forgot about a the growing Asian population in the SGV. Education out weighs athletics…

          • Inland_FB_Fan

            Good point. The influx of the asian culture in areas such as Diamond Bar, Rowland Heights, Hacienda Heights, Temple City, etc. has had a huge impact on SGV athletics. I used hispanics as an example because they make up a majority of SGV football rosters.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            But BA has a number of hispanic players on the roster and they are the best around here….But so do other schools. SGV schools just have less to work with overall with out getting too racial

          • Inland_FB_Fan

            yes, but Amat is basically an “All star” team of kids from throughout the SGV and beyond. I do agree, the rest of the schools have less to work with.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            All Star…I don’t know, but they work really hard over at Amat.. They literally out work the other SGV teams, that’s why no one can beat them in our area .If they did have a true SGV All Star Team over there…they would be in title contention and wouldn
            ‘t be losing to Alemany, which consist of a few muir kids..and That’s how good Pasadena talent is especially if they decide to go to one school…The best players in the SGV are spread out all over…You won’t be getting them all lined up at Amat…SGV players don’t roll like that, some like public school. Schools like MD, Servite, SM are pulling from a huge geographical area, plus transfers….Poly has a talent pool of almost 500,00 people…and all the kids go there… That’s what BA is up against…

      • 626

        Demographics are certainly an issue in the SGV, not academics. That part is just not true. Btw, if you’re a stud, some school somewhere (not all, but some) will accept you so long as your academics are at least average.

        You’re right, the density of D1 athletes is small in the SGV, but there are certain schools where recruiters always drop by. And to be honest, one of the densest areas of D1 athletes is actually in the SGV…Pasadena (specifically NW Pasadena.) Unfortunately for local fans, the only time recruiters spend in Pasadena is in the homes of the recruits, as many of them play for schools miles away…for better or for worse.

        • Inland_FB_Fan

          “, if you’re a stud, some school somewhere (not all, but some) will accept you so long as your academics are at least average.”

          LOL, no they won’t there are strict guidelines that the NCAA has placed on athletics. They must clear the NCAA clearinghouse and meet all the requirements such as taking the required core courses, having a qualifying SAT score, & meeting the minimum GPA standards. The reason that many SGV students don’t qualify is that the typical hispanic household does not place a high value on college, therefore the kids just look to graduate and enter the workforce. I did a master’s thesis for my Administrative credential on this a few years ago.

          • 626

            I think it’s a little naive to believe that all scholarship athletes that attend universities/colleges in the United States are strong academically. Average students are playing ball at many of the schools in this country. My nephew, whom I love dearly, received a full ride to a Big 12 school to play football, and believe you me….he was as average academically as they come. C’s in practically all of this core classes, and in fact had to make a couple of those up from Fs he earned early in his HS career. His SAT was nothing to write home about either. And he isn’t the only one. A buddy of mine who played RB at USC is someone I would consider slightly below average. Neither of those guys would get into the Stanfords, Northwesterns, Vandys, etc. but again, if you’re a stud, you WILL land somewhere. You’re from the inland, so I know you’ve heard of Vontaze Burfict!

    • 626

      I’ve been banging this drum for awhile now. But that’s life. Things change, and often they don’t revert back for many, many years…if ever. Don’t get me wrong, it a little sad that things have changed in the SGV. The huge game atmosphere and buzz created by teams competing versus upper division teams is sorely missed in the SGV, outside of BA. And I’m happy that BA is able to wave the Pac-5 flag, and even though they aren’t what they used to be, they have represented fairly well in some big games.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Not in November…

    • WCDan

      Greenie, you explain it the same way you have always explained Monrovia’s early season losses, teams get better as the season progresses, by seasons end those 2010 and 2011 West Co teams would have rolled Monrovia and the Mid Valley division. The Covina loss was dominated by WC who had 450 yards that night compared to less than 250 for Covina. 5 Turnovers led to a well earned upset by a scrappy Covina team that hung around long enough to be the benificiaries of a three minute WC meltdown at the end of the game. WC going 13 & 1 two years straight in the Southeast division was much tougher than doing it in the Mid Valley.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        If it was tougher they why did the entire division give up 60-80 pts…No way Covina is supposed to beat Wesco. Not even in their best year… which was the a year later . WesCo snuffed them in overtime… But it was close. That was not a fluke. The best team in the midvalley is comparable to the best team in the southeast. At the top is comparable, that’s all.

        • WCDan

          Before last week I would have agreed with you on the Diamond Ranch/Hacienda point. But that St. Francis loss was pretty ugly. If you were missing key guys against St. Francis, (seems like I remember reading you guys were missing a few players on D) then you guys get a pass and we’ll see what happens from now on, I do give credence to the theory that missing key players does make a big difference for teams that ain’t football factories.
          As for Covina, I agree that 2011 was not a fluke, Covina was almost as good as WC in week 0. In 2010 they were not even close, ironic that a lesser Covina beat a possibly better WC team in 2010. Back to 2011, remember that WC did not have Solomon in that game
          and Jimmy Fraizer was hobbling after most of his runs with a hip pointer for the first 4 or 5 games. The O-line was brand new with only 1 returning starter and no games together under their belt.
          Covina on the other hand had 18 returning starters for that week zero game. WC was up 20 to 7 going into the 4th. Two blown secondary coverages led to a tie at the end of regulation. Now using the logic of some teams get better at seasons end that I’ve seen you use with your Wildcats, wouldn’t you agree that WC would have been a lot better at seasons end with a healthy Solomon and Fraizer and an offensive line that now had a season of games under their belts?
          As for the Mid Valley top teams being comparable to
          the Southeast, I’ll give 2011, Monrovia and Covina were comparable with the rest of the SE division, but not with West Co once they came to full health. Look what they did to that division once that happened. As far as 2010 I don’t see any teams from the Mid Valley that would have gotten by Mayfair, Bonita, or La Serna, nor West Co. You could probably even throw in Muir and La Mirada in that group. The 2010 SE division was strong as far as Southeast standards go. Last year Monrovia would have fit nice into the Southeast, I don’t think they get by La Serna or Downey, and even a rebuilding West Co team would
          not have been an automatic win for Monrovia.
          This year the Southeast looks pretty strong with Norwalk, La Serna, Downey, Diamond Ranch, and Maybe even Dominguez picking up their game this year. Again I think Monrovia would fit well, and win a playoff round or two.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Dan we were missing four starters…LB, CB, FS, and DL, but the drop is huge at Monrovia, and that is where we need to improve. We should be have all the players strong and ready to step in. You are always going have some guys go down for a game or two… Injuries are no excuse. It’s part of the game. However, I am not claiming that Any of the midvalley teams would step in and win the the division or go to semis. I am saying that Mtown gets at least a first round win…after that it’s tough. San Dimas has already beaten Bonita a few times….I have looked at the data of games played between the Hoovers, Cerritos and Arcadia, Cal etc… of the South East, and they have lost games to Midvalley middle of the pack teams in the RHL and Almont. There are least 6 teams in the midvalley that if they were in the south east, they would make the division better at the bottom and middle, and Monrovia would be in the thick of things in the upper portion of the teams in the division. On the average SD and Monrovia would do Ok in the Division.

          • WCDan

            Your right Greenie, injuries are no excuse, but the fact remains, they do make a difference in the outcome of a game, especially when depth is an issue and the drop off is big.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Maybe..but nevertheless…we were still flat and missed tons of chances to make the game competitive….Maybe next year.

  • Saints Parent

    Damn…. you did it to us again Freddie J…. blog hits were down, it is a boring Tuesday, how do you get your “hits up” —- 1) say anything about Amat or 2) bang on the Mid Valley and get Monrovia and the rest of us fired up….. hahahaha….. Kudo’s Fred — you nailed it, blog hits up on a dull Tuesday… poof

  • Steve Ramirez

    I guess it’s how you define weakest, kind of like that scene in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid when Butch asks Sundance, Who’s the BEST lawman? Sundance replies, “Best? How? Toughest, or easiest to bribe?” From a competitive standpoint, the Mid-Valley be the weakest in the fact, that there is no team in the division that seems to be capable of beating Monrovia. But there our at least four other teams, who could probably beat the top four in the Northeast, which is more balanced, although I still think its between Rio Hondo Prep and Mission Prep, although some say Poly and Salesian can hang with the top two. But we’ll see. Back to the Mid-Valley, as much as I think Monrovia is lock to run the table from here on out, remember, the 1991 UNLV basketball team was supposed to cruise to the national title. But nobody told Duke. The games still must be played..

  • AramT

    I love everything about this division, except Monrovia being in it. Good neighborhood football among schools that don’t really get any transfers and probably lose quite a few good ones. Monrovia has no business being in here … and if they were gone I would like the division even more.

    It’s not that I don’t like Monrovia. It’s just that Monrovia doesn’t fit with Arroyo, Montebello and so on.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      How do get Monrovia out…The Admins won’t sacrifice every other sport getting destroyed for the sake of football…The league won’t vote us out because they will take football losses in order to win in all the other sports….Football only leagues?

      • AramT

        Well, I said it back at the start of the season and I will say it again now — Football Needs It’s Own Governing Body.

        It makes ALL the money, so it should have its own governing body. CIF cannot properly handle football transfer rules/disciplines. CIF cannot properly division the teams. CIF cannot force the leagues to do the right thing.

        There’s absolutely NO JUSTIFIABLE REASON a football transfer who gets deemed to be “athletically motivated” should be forced to sit out an entire year. Yet, these are the one-size-fits-all rules that CIF is using to govern a unique sport. It’s beyond stupid because most of the in-place rules are bad for the bottom line.

        • Saints Parent

          There is actually a ton of good reasons to do this. Football is an incredibly unique beast unto itself. Huge Revenue generator, unlike almost every other sport on campus, Shortest season as to actual contests, so even that Oct 1st sitout (although for some reason, we had xfers who were not able to play until 10/12) knocks out 50-60% of an entire season. I am sure there are a number of schools like Monrovia where Football is at a far different level than remainder of sports – which could go up or down. Monrovia’s is far superior, but I am sure there are a number of schools where it is other sports that drag their football team into a treacherous league. It does make sense, but we all know common sense is not so common.

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            Softball, Basketball, Golf, Volleyball, Tennis, Track, and Swimming, drag Ayala’s Football Team to where it doesn’t belong. Kind of sucks for those kids knowing most likely they will never have more than an outside chance of playing in the post season, and if they are lucky enough to do so, they will face the likes of a CC, RC, Upland or VM in the first round.

            Those kids at Ayala must REALLY love the game. Looking at a game program, it appears that many have played together since JAA. That’s pretty cool. Closing out your football career (or not) with your friends you grew up with. Something the transfer darlings will never know.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          You are right…for Basketball/ Baseball you can have 40- 50 games if you like…It’s very easy to play whomever you want, games can be set up. It’s far easier to upset anyone in those two sports as well. So you don’t have to worry about one team beating everyone every year. In Football, it’s much harder to upset dominate teams….once a program outgrows its competition level, they can win 5 or 6 titles… In the long run it’s not good for Monrovia or the Division. League and Playoffs are supposed to be hard. It’s not that way in the midvalley….Sdimas is proving that as well…despite having their worst start ever and losing their best player….they are putting up 70 pts in league… Time to move up for Those two teams…

      • 626

        I don’t know that we’ll ever see football-only leagues. Maybe, but I doubt it. WIth that in mind another alternative to consider would be Geographic Conferences.

        Let’s take a segment of the WSGV for example. I would suggest that we combine the Rio Hondo League and the Pacific League and create a “Rio Pacific” Conference, if you will. (Dumb name, I know…another can be created). The successful teams from these 14 schools could be placed in a specific league (League A), and the struggling teams can be placed into another league (League B). You could do this for every sport, and you could have two 7-team leagues, or one 8-team league and one 6-team league. Here’s how football might look:

        League A

        1. Arcadia
        2. Burbank
        3. Burroughs
        4. CV
        5. Monrovia
        6. Muir
        7. San Marino

        League B

        1. Blair
        2. Glendale
        3. Hoover
        4. La Canada
        5. Pasadena
        6. San Marino
        7. South Pasadena

        The leagues would last for 2 yr. or 4 yr. cycles and at the end of the cycles the schools in the Conference could vote on which teams go up or down and which stay. League A could be placed in the Southeast division and League B could be placed in the Mid Valley division. The same thing could be done in all of the sports and would create much more equity in league games and in the playoffs.

        • AMAT 73

          626,
          You have San Marino in both leagues . But at least both leagues would be competitive not like now .

          • 626

            You’re right! My bad…I meant to place Temple CIty there.

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