PREPXTRA: We discuss Amat’s time management in loss to Alemany, plus Inland Insider’s highlights, interviews … So, who’s No. 1 in Trib?

justtribbinJUST TRIBBIN: One of the Just Tribbin thoughts of the weekend is who I will make No. 1 on Monday? Charter Oak, Chino Hills, Bishop Amat, Glendora, Diamond Ranch, Los Altos? Pomona? I said on the show it should be Charter Oak, even though they’re 4-4, and got clowned by Aram. Even Stevie was laughing. It’s a tough one. Your help, your thoughts?


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  • Inland_FB_Fan

    Right now, the best football team is Charter Oak. They stumbled early, but are full steam ahead now. I realize that they stumbled against Glendora who is proving to be the fluke that I said they were. CO’s 4 losses early makes it hard to put them #1, but they are the best team in the SGV right now. They would crush Pomona, Monrovia, D Ranch, Los Altos and they beat Chino Hills. They did get handled by Amat but Amat has gone downhill and CO has hit it’s stride. I hate CO, but I am a realist.

    • patriot_dmo@yahoo.com

      Maybe I see through blue and gold colored glasses, but how can you hate this fine football program that has been so successful and has had such a positive influence on so many young men? – my boys included.

      • Inland_FB_Fan

        Where did I show any hatred? It is plain and simple, Amat has not improved in the last few weeks, they have declined where as CO has caught on fire. Sorry to say, but this is another year as Usual for Amat. It started out with high hopes (wins vs Santa Margarita and CH) and now they are fighting to even make the playoffs again.

        • patriot_dmo@yahoo.com

          Seriously? “I hate CO”. What exactly does that mean?

          • Inland_FB_Fan

            I am a CH fan…..lol. I have to hate CO, but, I gave them their props, true?

    • Steve Ramirez

      How would they do against St. Francis?

      • OuttaYourMindTrib

        A lot of people would say C-No but I I think they would not take SF seriously and that would be a mistake that would bite them?

        • SGV_FOOTBALL

          Do you really think Farrar would let CO underestimate St. Francis? Your sadly mistaken.

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            Louise is not on the field. Do you honestly think Roddy would let Dirty Ranch underestimate Ayala? Oh wait…

            ROFLMFAO

            It happens to even the best teams All-TIme from time to time.

          • SGV_FOOTBALL

            So what your saying also implies that Serra and Chaminade will be taking St. Francis lightly….

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            I don’t know them at all. That’s a bit west-side for this old redneck.

        • WCDan

          Whether Farrar and CO take’s SF seriously or not I think St. Francis would be considered the a favorite if they played this year, even considering how CO has turned things up lately. I think this is not your typical St. Francis team, this is starting to look like their best team in 10/15 years. They would be my #1 in Arams
          all SGV poll.

      • AMAT 73

        Steve ,
        I’d take CO no doubt !

    • http://bishopamat.org/ Joe Amat

      I always find it funny how teams like Charter Oak and Monrovia “hit their stride” and are “firing on all cylinders” once they get into league and play teams like Damien, South Hills, Temple City or South Pasadena while Amat goes “downhill” in the Serra when losing close games to teams like Notre Dame and Alemany in the Serra.

      • Not Since 1995

        I completely agree with JoeAmNOT…!

        Bishop NoMAS just isn’t good enough for the Serra league…! Those teams are FAR FAR Superior teams to the little Lanceritos and that’s why they thump on the Lanceritos every year…! This is not new. We have seen the destruction of a once arrogant and assessnine program. The Lanceritos haven’t won anything in almost 20 years…! They have now been reduced to the laughers of the Serra..!

        The Truth Hurts…! Lets get ready for Thanksgiving dinner…!

        Not In 2013….

        • http://bishopamat.org/ Joe Amat

          Yes, the poor little Lanceritos are so overmatched in the Serra League they are the *only* team to make the playoffs from the Serra *each* of the last five seasons. We clearly, have witnessed the destruction of the program – only to be overtaken by the Charter Oak Chargers…except of course when playing head-to-head…actually on the football field…where games are played.

          • Not Since 1995

            JoeAmNOT
            Can you say “Coin-Flip”…? In those proud 5 years…?
            Can you also say 1st round LOSS…?
            What about A$$ Handing…HUMILIATED…and…EMBARRASSED…in the Division 1 (errrrrr Pac 5) playoffs…?

          • http://bishopamat.org/ Joe Amat

            in is in and out is out – but apparently you haven’t experienced that since 1995 either

      • present

        Talk all you want about how might the Serra is but I’m sure you remember it wasn’t to long ago Alemany was a lower division team and when was the last D1 title that come from those schools. Bishop is a solid team but you over value them and their league. But hey that your right just as it mine to remind you that your not as good as you think.

        • AMAT 73

          Present 2005 title Loyola was the last one and Crespi runner up in 07. Only 4 teams siince 05 have won the title . If you look at D-1 play you will see there are not that many different teams who have won . There have been only 11 different teams to win it since 1988 and 4 of those are not in D-1 any longer . So do you really think we are bad as you think we are ???? And Alemany still looking for that first D-1 title along with many others .

      • Kennedy Bryant

        Hey I agree I dont know who should be number one, its all very subjective. So many things happen in a season injuries, timing of games blah blah blah. Monrovia in my opinion will be better next seasons as they are very young this season. But like a number of the HATERS say we need to play better competition, but lets be real most of the teams in the east sgv and west sgv are terrible. They the haters used to say play West Co or beat SH or Ayala.. Well you cant help it if you schedule teams and they have down years when you beat them. My point here is most of the time the same programs have good teams Amat, Monrovia, CO, West CO. And it isnt changing anytime soon so appreciate your team root for them to get better and use high school football as a way to get a free college education because That will last a lot longer then who was # 1 in the SGV in week 7 or 8 or 9.

        It’s a state championship or nothing as another CIF mid valley championship is nice for the mantle but its White noise…

        • AMAT 73

          KB,
          Good post and who knows who’s number one because as Fred said before he can’t move a team over a team that’s beaten them .

        • WCDan

          Kennedy, great post, good luck over there on the West side.

      • Inland_FB_Fan

        CO held Chino Hills to 17 points and had a larger margin of victory against them than Amat. They also beat Los Osos who took Rancho to the brink. I agree that So. Hills and Damien arent killers, but either is Culver city or a bye…. the only 2 “wins” Amat has in the last 4 weeks.

        • Valley Athletics

          Culver city is ranked 6th in the western so they are not that bad . When Amat decided to schedule them they had just made the finals and lost . They upset Serra that year and had many players returning .

      • Steve Ramirez

        To be fair to Monrovia, its been “firing on all cylinders” most of the season, with the only loss to St. Francis, which is having its best since the LBJ administration.

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      Putting CO at the No. 1 spot depends on the criteria being used. Do you go off strength of schedule, quality wins, or if there is such a thing as quality losses?

      I have a hard time seeing CO, with four losses, jumping over other schools. If you say, for example, Pomona with zero losses isn’t No 1, the argument will probably be because of their strength of schedule. But that’s the same deal with CO.

      Yes, they beat Chino Hills, but they didn’t dominate them. That game wasn’t settled until the final minute of the game. So, for a signature win that elevates them into that spot, they don’t have one. Chino Hills does, two of them and were gamers with Bishop Amat. Does that mean CH is no 1?

      The first question is the criteria, the second is the strength of schedule, the third and final is are there signature wins on the resume. The answers to all of those do not equal to CO being number one.

    • SGV FB Dad

      Not much of a realist. How do you think Amat would have done against the same teams CO has played? And then how do you think CO would have done against Notre Dame and Alemany. So before you give your two cents, be realistic with yourself first, and you will realize that CO would get smacked up against both Alemany and ND.

  • present

    Bishop – never a bad choice but they make it hard to be a good choice
    CO-Turn over problems early but definitely turned the corner
    CH-Lost to CO in a league contest straight up so they are out
    GHS- Its painful to watch them and the teams they beat slowly fall a part
    DR- not sexy but effective
    LA- lost to DR in a league contest straight up so they are out
    Pomona – has proven nothing but you have throw teams a bone before ie Glendora

    Seem to me you gotta pick either CO or DR

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      If you base it on whose playing good football “now,” you’d have a good point. But you can’t base it on now. You have to base it on the body of work. With as much respect as I have for CO, making a four loss team number one calls into question the legitimacy of the ranking.

      • OuttaYourMindTrib

        Exactly. Those years that USC lost an early game, it hurt them. Kept them out of contention for 2 more National Titles, when at the end of the season they were “hitting their stride”, and were most likely the best Football Team in D1. Never got a chance to prove it because the wet the bed early, lost to vastly inferior teams.

        EXACTY the reason you CANNOT elevate DIrty Ranch to #1 either.

    • OuttaYourMindTrib

      You can’t pick Dirty Ranch. They suck! They lost to Ayala who won’t win another game.

      ROFLMAO

  • The stands

    This discussion should be simple. None of the schools in the SGV has a prayer of beating Amat on the field. They did make some mistakes last night but they also had Alemany on the ropes in the 4th quarter. Do you really think Charter Oak could’ve done so? I’m not an Amat homer, I neither played for nor attended this school. I’m trying to be as objective as possible. Again, maybe Amat shouldn’t be part of the rankings at all.

    • Inland_FB_Fan

      I disagree. I think early on Amat was clearly better. However, they have not gotten any better over the last 4 weeks and CO has.

      • inlandfootball

        You also have to take into account who each team has played those last 4 weeks. Flip Flop those schedule and the records would change as well.

        • Hands Team

          Do the same for SD and Pomona and SD is undefeated and in the conversation, so don’t go playing the what if game. Who is the best now, this isn’t a cumulative exam. The clear answer is Charter Oak. No one in the area wants to play them right now.

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            Again, I respectfully disagree. And the verbiage that “no one wants to play them right now” is even more gross. CO hasn’t struck fear in anyone, so please don’t put them out there like they have. You had a CH team that, according to their HC, had a bit of the dysfunctional flu. Now that’s it cured, I’m sure they would love to play CO again. I don’t believe talent for talent, CO gets by a second time against CH. But that’s a debate for another day. CO at no. 1, would make the rankings a punch line on Comedy Central.

          • http://bishopamat.org/ Joe Amat

            and does anyone really think the outcome of a CO/Amat game this week would be any different than it has been the last couple years?

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            Considering how CO is playing right now, I’m pretty sure the CO faithful would love another crack at BA. Since I’ve seen all three schools play (BA, CH, CO), I don’t think it would be any different and BA would win. The only difference I think would be another CH/BA matchup.

          • Not Since 1995

            I’ll be your huckelberry…!

            The way that COHS biaaatch slapped my Huskies around…! I have no doubt that the Chargers would smack the little lancers all over the field this coming Friday.

            But guess what…? CRESPI is going to do it for all of us instead…!

            Yo opino…Crespi 28 – the little lancers 9…

            Not in 2013 either JoeAmNOT…

          • AMAT 73

            Quasi ,
            Using your puppies as an example is not very wise since they swallowed the wad against both teams . Are you still gaging !!!!!! Sad you have to depend on Crespi to get that win your puppies failed to get for you. This conversation is for CO vs AMAT part 2 , not the team that choked , oh I mean lost to the 2 teams in this conversation . The puppies are just an after thought now .
            Not in 2012 or 2013 either.
            hahahahahahaha

          • SGV_FOOTBALL

            Yes, I would.

          • SGVSports

            Once again talking out of your a@@, I was at the BA/CO game. Trust me if they played again tomorrow same outcome. Now if Fred is going to factor in other variables then I can see them pushing CO over BA. CO got man handled in that game.

            I do think Pomona should be ranked much higher than San Dimas. San Dimas played a much tougher schedule, but you don’t get credit for playing tougher teams but losing to all of them.

      • Not So Fast My Friend

        CO has, but that doesn’t mean they get to sit in the big chair either. A four loss team gets the nod over teams with zero losses? Even teams with two losses? Uh, that’s some voodoo I wouldn’t go near.

      • AMAT 73

        IFBF,
        To be honest the team has gotten better , but the coaching has dropped off in my opinion . Still time to get it right but Friday night’s loss was totally on the coaches Bad clock management and questionable play calling all of which is not the teams fault . They are playing solid and the defense has improved each week . Now with the addition of #37 in the backfield the offense has a piece that was missing the first 2 league games .If we were to line up against CO again say Friday night , who do you think gets the W ?????

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      No team has a “prayer?” The exaggeration is funny by itself.

      • The stands

        Perhaps it is an exaggeration but my point is still valid. At least in recent years, no SGV team has beaten Amat. Also, they’ve not gotten worse, their level of competition is higher. CO won’t play the likes of Alemany or Notre Dame in their league.

        • Not So Fast My Friend

          No CO will not, but even so that does not validate BA at No. 1. No way, no how. Live by your schedule, die by your schedule. They are not playing very well and simply because they beat CH and CO as a cause and effect, does not entitle them to sit in the big chair.

          Bill Parcells once said, “You are what your record says you are.” Soooooo, that means BA has to find a smaller chair, along with CO.

          • http://bishopamat.org/ Joe Amat

            Bill Parcell’s was also referring to the National Football League where all teams in the National Football League play other teams who are also in the National Football League – not teams from the World Football League, NFL Europe or the Canadian Football League. Apples to Apples

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            The beauty of his quote is that it’s universal. It covers every level of sport and any sport where there is a won/loss record.

          • http://bishopamat.org/ Joe Amat

            WHEN….comparing like levels of competition. Otherwise, Alabama be damned, Mt Union is the best college football team in the country
            vs. Franklin W, 30-27
            at Muskingum W, 37-0
            vs. Marietta W, 84-14
            at Ohio Northern W, 58-7
            vs. Wilmington W, 62-0
            at Capital W, 58-3
            vs. Otterbein W, 48-0

            Are you ready to rank Mt Union over Alabama, Oregon, Ohio St or Florida St.
            Record and score differential would say so

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            Now you’re talking about criteria, which is what I pointed out earlier. What’s the criteria in determining whose No. 1?

            Absent that, the quote still stands, no matter the level or the sport. You are what your record says you are. Charter Oak is a four loss team. Period. A four loss team shouldn’t jump a team with zero losses, UNLESS, you’re going to go off of strength of schedule. If that’s the criteria, a four loss team definitely would not jump a team with three losses, much less a team with two.

            You know as well as I BA is not playing good football right now. Just because they beat CH doesn’t mean they’re an automatic lock to stay at the one spot. If anything, until the criteria is established, give it to a zero loss team.

          • Not Since 1995

            I looked up Mount Union’s web site and they say they have won 11 National Championship titles…!
            How many has Alabama won…?
            Just askin’

          • AMAT 73

            NSFMF,
            What you say is true for the NFL but these are Fred’s rankings and his alone .Fred has clearly stated that he cannot move a team above a team that has beaten them along the way as one of his guidelines . Now don’t get me wrong as I know AMAT should not be # 1 but can you explain why not, and remember Fred gives points for who you lose to also ,so given what little we know as the guidelines for these rankings who do you think ?????
            You say AMAT is not playing very well but did you see the game on Friday ????? Or the game against ND to even to be able to say that or are you going by postings on this blog ??? Why do you say thay are not playing very well ? To give your post some credibility please breakdown why you make that statement .

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            Amat 73,

            First I’m not a statistic guy. So I’m not going to labor thru numbers because I don’t believe they tell the whole story of any game. I’ll leave that for others. Second, I recognize you’re a loyal Amat guy and out of respect for you, I’m going to measure my words carefully. Third, to answer your question about ND, no, but I do have a friend whose good friends with a few of Alemany’s coaches. I haven’t seen film of the game (hopefully I will get a chance) but I trust him immensely with what he tells me.

            1. BA is 1-2 in league play, I think. That alone speaks for itself considering both ND and Alemany have two losses. Their losses are against some serious heavyweights in Serra and Chaminade respectively.

            2. The unofficial scouting report on BA is obvious but you and I both know that doesn’t make a difference once you hit the field. This is what i got from a friend of mine who coached against BA earlier this year and after the CH game. A. Get pressure on Koa, but keep him inside the tackle box. He’s dangerous outside it. B. The passing game is effective, but stopping the run is a priority. Their RB is strong and doesn’t go down easy. Must wrap up and gang tackle. C. Amat’s DBs are good but vulnerable in space and deep routes D. Defensive front can get a strong push and be disruptive. Must use technique.

            Given the short notice request, he gave me some of what he had written down about BA.

            As far as last week, I know BA played Alemany very tough, but allowed Alemany to get back into the game. Once I see the film or hear from my friend, then I’ll have more. All that to say, when you lose two in a row and how you lose them says whether or not you’re playing good football. BA right now is not.

          • AMAT 73

            NSFMF,
            Well if your going to critique AMAT at least get some facts clear . Alemany and ND lost league games to Loyola and Crespi .Serra and Chaminade are in the Mission league but yes they are a force in the Mission .Now you didn’t say much as to why you feel AMAT is not playing very well . You write some scouting report feedback but nothing as to why you feel what you do . Watch the film ( especially the Alemany game and the clock managment and some of the play calling by our coaches ) then after that get back to me because you really have not seen AMAT play to make that kind of statement . You never answered my first question either on rankings considering Fred’s way of doing it . I’ve always said I could care less about Fred’s rankings and now more than ever as he has CO at one breaking one of his rules or ranking , ” I can’t put a team ahead of a team that’s beat them ” . Now I can see why CO is at one and they should be there , best win to date of all ranked teams , but who knows ????

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            Amat 73,

            I was sharing with you some of the talk among coaches who’ve coached against you. Of course everyone is always going to say the right things in public, but in private, that’s where the meat is at. Since that didn’t satisfy you, I’ll roll up my sleeves on this subject.

            First, I’ve seen Amat play and quite frankly for all of the ribbing I do about them beating CH by five, I’m not enamored with Amat football. But before I dive into that, let’s get some paper off the desk. I know Serra and Chaminade are in the Mission league, I was giving you examples of the type of teams ND has lost to, versus the teams Amat has lost to (which you already know). And you’re 0-2 in league (MaxPreps).

            Second, I watched Amat against CH last season and again this past season. I also know a few coaches who’ve coached against Amat. I shared what one coach thought about Amat because I think it captured what others think.

            My personal thoughts are Amat tries to out-athletic teams they play against. That’s painfully obvious when they play against teams with just as many, if not better athletes. Look to your game against Rancho Cucamonga for further info on that one.

            Third, they don’t scheme against their opponents very well. Now that’s a coaching issue more than anything but it speaks volumes about the over reliance on their athletes to make plays rather than a smart and sound game plan. Coaching staffs that prepare well grounded game plans generally do not have play calling or clock management issues. They know what they want to do and they do it. Even better they know what counter punches to expect and they prepare for them.

            Now a monkey on the moon could tell that any team that loses two in a row, even by a combined 13 points, isn’t playing good football or, in using your own words, probably has clock management and play calling issues. Amat had Alemany down by what? 14? And let them come back and win? Against ND, Amat dug themselves a hole, but tried to rally back and fell short. I thought and was told the perspective was Amat had better athletes than ND but ND executed a better game plan. Only you can tell me if that was accurate or not.

            The biggest problem I see is Amat cannot hold a lead. For example, when Amat played CH in the second game of the year, CH couldn’t tackle a box of gummy bears sitting on a table in the first half and they too dug themselves a hole. However, in the second half, the shut Amat down and gave up only one TD (Amat missed the xp). Chino Hills however, scored twice and was in possession of the ball with two minutes left and driving down the field. If not for some weird play calling and a poor choice by the QB in throwing a pass that got intercepted, the ending could have been different. You and I both know Amat was holding their collective breaths because they knew CH had the momentum. Fast forward to Amat’s game against Rancho and against Alemany and whoola!

            Now I don’t follow Amat week in and week out like Amat alums and fans do. So I expect you to know more about their strengths and weaknesses than anyone. But that doesn’t mean everyone else is blind to the type of football Amat has been playing. Losing two in a row is not playing good football in anyone’s handbook.

            It’s Fred’s rankings. He can base his picks on whatever he likes. I would just like some type of established criteria that gives the picks some logic behind them. I think he tried this time, although I still don’t agree with CO being first, especially given his rule on ranking teams.

          • AMAT 73

            NSFMF,
            Seems to me by your post it’s more on the coaches decisions during the games then poor play by the team that is causing the losses . I agree with you on those points. As far as the team they are playing solid ball and well enough to win the games they lost . Granted their have been an excessive amount of turnovers which have hurts AMAT but not enough to overcome . I

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            It is on the coaches because players only do what the coaches coach or what the coaches allow. Amat losing the games they lost, absent turnovers, is because the coaches did not put them in the best position to win.

          • AMAT 73

            NSFMF,
            Agreed , because the players are playing damn good ball right now . If the staff calls a half way decent game and limit their mistakes both with the clock and play calling these next weeks we will win out . Then we just have to see what the rest of the league does .Imagine if Crespi and Loyola beat both Alemany and ND and we win out we all finish 2-2 .

  • Colt74

    I’d give it to Pomona. Seriously. These kids deserve some recognition. Undefeated, their last year in the Valle Vista League. And what/who does it hurt? I think it would be a class act from the Trib to show these kids some love.

    • Hands Team

      Please give it Pomona, not because they deserve it but because it will make it that much sweeter when SD beats them. Just to make a point, against common Opponent SD is at minimum at TD better than Pomona. In every scenario at either half or end of game SD is better. Maybe they should be #1 if you are considering Pomona

      Pomona 61-BP 21 (40-14 half)
      SD 70-BP 27 (42-13 half)

      Pomona 53-Wilson 10 (27-10 half)
      SD 58-Wilson 7 (31-0 half)

      Pomona 17-Northview 9 (7-9 half)
      SD 41-Northview 7 (27-0 at half)

      • inlandfootball

        And how many starters were missing for Pomona against BP? San Dimas is and has been the best in the Valle Vista league for years, but they also don’t belong in there either. SD fans shouldn’t be thumping their chest about being the biggest fish in a super depleted pond.

        • Hands Team

          BIG FISH/Small pond???? SD is a school of 1,100 kids. How big can they be. Scheme and coaching is what sets them apart. When everyone and their mother runs the spread they stay with old reliable, the wing-t. The reason why, because they don’t have the athletes. You don’t see many D1 or D2 guys come out of there but the continue to win. Their preseason showed they can only hang with the big boys for a half. So where do they belong, they lose to almost any school in the area, Damien, Glendora, CO, they lost to Bonita, DB, Los Al, and Monrovia. Speaking of people who don’t belong. What the heck are they still doing in the MidValley. As for Pomona, they won’t have as many chances at turn overs as they did against BP. SD isn’t going to turn the ball over 5 times and Pomona sure as heck won’t get 2 defensive TD’s. The wing-t doesn’t fumble like a spread team gives up INTs. It’s the game of week 10 if they both win in week 9. Should be fun.

          • SGVSports

            Hands Team, San Dimas has always been the best coached team in the league, and still is. Just not sure if the coaching can over come the difference in talent this year. That being said the gap in quality of coaching between Pomona and San Dimas isn’t as big as the past.

            The spread/option that Pomona runs is going to be very difficult for the much slower and less talented San Dimas team to deal with. Just like the Wing-T is the perfect offense for San Dimas, The spread/option is the perfect offense for Pomona. The key to San Dimas scoring will be the counters and will the Pomona’s defenders stay home. Pomona can and will make mistakes on defense but how much of their team speed will compensate for those mistakes.

            Comparing scores? Did you take into account that at the Pomona/Northview game the Pomona Jr. quarterback broke his collar bone, they played most of that game with a inexperienced So. quarterback. Did you take into account that Pomona had at least 5 starters out at the Baldwin Park game due to suspensions (not including injuries), how many were going both ways. So many factors involved in comparing scores.

            This week 10 game looks to be a very good one. I don’t see San Dimas blowing out Pomona, to much team speed and physical play.

            If you have access to hudl watch the Baldwin Park game and you will see what I’m talking about (Team Physical Play).

          • Hands Team

            What I saw was a multiple turnovers that resulted for scores. When the game was close a pick six blew it apart. Then a scoop and score. SD does not and will not have that happen. Pomona will have to earn thier points and becasue they are not as well coached or as disciplined they will not be able to hang with SD in the end. If you saw the film or game you will see many times PHS put the ball on the ground as a result of poor QB/RB exchanges. We all know SD will score, how will PHS react in a game when they have to fight back or claw out of a hole. SD has been there before. This isn’t Northview they are facing, its a 5 time semifinalist and defending league champ

            SD has seen the spread even better than Pomona. D-Ranch scrimmage, Bonita, and Diamond Bar. They saw the spread in BP as well. Does Pomona have athletes…Yes. They are not better than the Hacienda athletes they saw in preseason.

            Head to head, BP had starters out due to injury and grades. both the BP strong safety, FS, and MLB were out. Their best WR #6 had to play in the secondary. This was obvious by the fact that PHS ran right past them on seam routs all night long. So yes, that was taken into account.

            Lets just all agree that Week 10 SD v PHS will be a great game.

          • SGVSports

            .
            San Dimas played again Bonita and Diamond Bar? You got handled by both teams 33-13 Bonita and 49 – 26 Diamond Bar. Pomona is way faster than Bonita and as fast or faster than Diamond Bar. So you played against two spread teams and lost to both of them. At the beginning of this conversation you made some validate points. Now you are reaching and looking like an idiot.
            The argument that Pomona’s defensive hasn’t faced the Wing-T would be a valid one. I will say San Dimas defense hasn’t been the same since Mustang departed.

          • Hands Team

            Bonita-last three quarters it was 13-19 in points
            Los AL-Tied at Half, had the lead in the game
            DB-Had the ball on the 1 and time ran out at half 14-27
            Monrovia-We all know about that game, was with them at half til the Scoby runs (Still stings)

            As for missing Mustang. Lets looks at points allowed in the 1st half. I say because we all know SD blows people out and plays the backups in the 2nd half. Points allowed when it matters.
            2012 league vs 2013 League = 29-20 points allowed
            Northview 0 vs 0
            Wilson 15 vs 7
            BP 7 vs 13
            Nogales 7 vs 0

            Compare last years smudge-pot and Bonita scored 37 and should have won. It was 33 this year and 7 of those points came on a scoop and score. Now look at their Defensive Players. 9 new defensive starters and their anchor at MLB is a sophomore. Their defense looked better last year because of experience and a BAD preseason. Take Azusa and San Gabriel off anyones schedule and replace them with Diamond Bar and Los Al and you tell me what the difference in points allowed will be. Some would say they are doing a better job coaching because of who they play and what they had to overcome. So no Fred…I do not look like an idiot. I know exactly what Im talking. How did that Northview/SD prediction work out for you. Please, please, please pick Pomona next week.

          • SGVSports

            I only saw the second half of the LA/SD game, that second half I don’t think you would have beaten Workman.

            I tell you what, why don’t you have your coaching staff talk to Pomona and see if they will call the game at half time. Since you can play with the good teams the first half and get blown out in the second half.

            After this long conversation with you I have come to a conclusion.

            1) Can Pomona stop the Wing-T
            2) Can San Dimas contain Pomona’s speed
            3) Can San Dimas handle Pomona’s physical play
            3) Can San Dimas stop the Spread (they haven’t so far?)

    • AMAT 73

      Colt74,
      Where you been . Good to see your name on the blog .

  • brad mill

    Off subject: Diamond Bar’s George Katrib, an all league wide receiver and defensive back class of 2011 and a USC walk on is expected to get a lot of action in today’s Utah game. USC WR Marqise Lee hopes to return vs. Ore St. but said if not vs. Cal for sure. Predicts good game for walk-on WR #83 George Katrib. Katrib was USC spring walk on MVP.

  • Not Since 1995

    I hate to admit but the CO Chargers made my Huskies look like little biaaaatches on the field. Hard for me to say it but is the #1 program in the SGV. Who’s gonna beat them in the Sierra? 3 out of 4 league championships….? That is a solid program…!

    My Huskies are a bunch of biaaaatches…! All talk and nothing in the end…!

    Bishop yellow and blue…. And nothing else…!

    Not in 2013…

  • Lance R

    Fred I understand your rankings but honestly it should not include Bishop Amat as a entry. How can you put a D1 program in there when the rest of the local high schools play in lower divisions. As far as Amat they have problems over there if you cannot beat a team up two touchdowns in the second half. Hagerty and staff really blew this one. Lets face it there will be no playoffs this year and it is on to next year. It’s not giving up but as mentioned you cannot start out 0-2 in the Serra. The Lancer staff put all their eggs in one basket and that’s Koa Haynes, in the process of that they have not complimented that offense with a strong defense. The secondary is very weak in pass coverage and they should be blitzing more on third down. This defense gives up too many big plays to their opponent. When Amat is winning they are number one in your poll and everyone says well they are beating the D1 so they deserve the no.1 ranking, then when they are losing like they are now then its well they dont belong as No.1 because they are losing. Look who they are losing to, another D1 program. If you put CO, CH, Pomona, DRANCH and anyone else in the Serra they would be getting beat as well and not holding their own like Amat does. So win or lose Amat should be number one in your poll based on that. Again your poll should not include a D1 program it makes no sense.

    • Valley Athletics

      They lost there first 2 league games last year so it’s not over . Same exact scenario as past 2 years . Lost to notre dame and Alemany . Win next 2 games and if Alemany and notre dame win all there games they will be in 3rd place and make playoffs . Getting an at large birth will be easy for them because south coast league, marmonte league and Moore league teams will not get any at large birth because they are weak after the automatic playoff spots . Comes down to trinity and Serra . A 4th place team in the trinity plus Amat as I stated in above scenario .

    • The stands

      I agree with you. Amat shouldn’t be part of these rankings but they are top dog in the SGV bar none.

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      I disagree that if yo put any of those other schools in they would be getting beat and not holding their own. CH took Amat to the wire, so I don’t think there is any fear in them. Can’t speak for the other programs.

      • Lance R

        N.S.F.M.F…..I give CH props they did get up for Amat last year in that tie game. This year they pushed a little bit but Amat took their foot off the gas this year. Good teams get up for big games as Amat has when they beat St. Bonnies, Took LB Poly to the end altho they did not win. CH you can say has come close out of any Team around when it comes to playing Amat but a tie is good but it is not a win for either team. Then there is your loss to CO a team Amat easily handled this year. The Poll at this time should feature CH and CO as 1 and 2 no argument there. As far as Amat they should not be included in this poll at all because the Neighboring schools keep losing to them which says a lot about a legit D1 program.

        • Not So Fast My Friend

          I’d agree with that. :-)

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          Who does Bishop Amat Represent? You are saying “Neighborhood” schools when referring to the other sgv schools… Since Amat does not represent a neighborhood, It has become a neighborhood talent sucking program, that gets up for local games, but can’t do anything with the SGV talent is draws in every year. So it’s clear that Amat is beating the neighborhood schools with their talent and then wanting to be put on pedestal? If Amat disappeared today….all of the SGV schools would get better over night…give the talent back if you can’t with it. Alemany is raping one neighborhood Pasadena and they have taken over the Serra….

          • Lance R

            Green Machine, I’d have to say Amat represent the City of La Puente and true it does get players from the other schools but not like you think. If Amat had no tuition to be met I could see your argument that they are stealing all the talent but only so much talent goes there that can afford the cost of a private school. There is more talent staying and playing for their public tuition free programs due to financial reasons. There is also a flip side where private school students transfer out of private schools and enroll in public. The QB of Damien Pucci left and went to Rancho Cucamonga so the sides do flip the other way at times. I do agree if Amat had a free enrollment and it is SGV only D1 program they would get more talent then it does and possibly would hang a few more football banners up but that is not the case or will it ever be. Remember it is Student First Athlete Second.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            La Puente/Bassatte/ Workman represent that neighborhood…I can’t remember one star player on amat’s roster from La Puente…Even with paid tuition, you still have a chance to put together a decent team. At public schools which are free, it’s still hard to field a great team every year, like the private D1 schools… That’s why you can beat Locals every year, but can’t beat teams which are like in program, talent and coaching.

          • Lance R

            The biggest point you miss here Green Machine is you point out La Puente,Bassett and Workman as the neighboring schools. How many of those families that live in that area have the money to finance a Private school education for their kids in regards to Football. You take a Mater Dei , Santa Margarita, S.O. Notre Dame or Loyola for that matter true they are in bad neighborhoods such as Amat but they draw talent as the neighborhoods surrounding these schools have parents with better financial success. Put together a decent team? Since Hags got there they have competed year in and year out with what they have. I realize they will not hang a Football Championship D1 banner every year but I expect them to compete at this level in which they do (well this year looks kind of bleak). Real Amat fans are like Cubs fans and I have been to Wrigley, we continue to support to the end with passion. Those in here that bash it is all good but I have to believe there is some Jealousy towards Amat based on , that our Little School out of La Puente plays in the D1, win or lose it is there and remains there. I like watching CO, CH Covina, West Covina Bonita etc play their games but it is a whole different energy when you watch the best play against the best which is at the D1 level.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      Is holding your own winning or losing…So basically you are saying that if you put any other SGV in the Serra, they would be losing by more points? What kind logic is that? If you are 0-2 in the serra losing by 1 pt in each game or 21 pts in each game…what’s the difference? Ok.That may be true, but despite all the transfers local SGV team have received, or could received, Local public schools can’t go outside of their district or geographical area and recruit like a private school can. Look at Alemany, they are beating amat every year with Pasadena talent. I am sure muir would love to have those guys. I always look at the roster at Amat located in La Puente compare the list of where they are getting their players from. I am sure the local public schools that lose to Amat would be better if they had those players. However, when they do lose to Amat they often see kids who chose to go there instead of their school. It’s fair, but there is a difference when you can hand pick your players.

  • Jenae

    Charter Oak #1. Robleto looks good in their uniform!

  • Don

    Rankings, gotta love ‘em . . . everyone else seems to.

    Best record is Pomona at 8-0 but the best team they’ve played is
    Northview

    If you are talking about who has the best chance at a deep playoff
    run, Monrovia has it but the only “good” team they played beat
    them.

    Most improved team is Charter Oak but they’ve lost four games.

    Strength of schedule, best players, depth, head to head/common
    opponent, yep, Amat. Yeah, they’ve lost three, all to top ten teams
    in the state.

    So I channel my inner Fred/Steve and deeply understanding the
    various contributing factors they consider every week when assembling
    their much discussed SGVT Blog rankings I have decided:

    1..Amat

    2. Charter Oak

    3. Chino Hills

    4. Diamond Ranch

    5. Monrovia

    6. Pomona

    7. Los Altos

    8. Arroyo

    9. San Dimas

    10. West Covina

    • SGV_FOOTBALL

      You missed Glendora.

      • Don

        I didn’t forget the Pride of the Foothills. I left them off.

        Remember, I was using my interpretation of the Trib’s secret formula for selecting the top ten not mine. Back in the day I ranked
        teams based upon who I thought would win games in a head to head, best to less. (My OLD system would have brought the Tarts in at about third or fourth.) Fredi and his cohorts use a highly sophisticated, propitiatory system that includes so many parameters it actually defies cogent description.

        Since Glendora will finish third or fourth in the Baseline and miss the playoffs they didn’t make the rankings.

        • Oooops

          LOL, how very true. I love your inclusion of SD especially when they got boat raced by the entire Hacienda.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            But the Hacienda champ got raced by Ayala…..Remember Dranch Lost that game..everyone seems to forget that one…

          • Oooops

            The phrase “Boat Raced” means “Blown Out” I would hardly call coming back from a 19 point deficit to barely win a game “Boat Raced”. Fortunate would probably be a better choice of words. A good example of being “Boat Raced” would be what St. Francis did to the boys in green.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            yeah.. but we still beat a team The DR couldn’t beat..So trash the entire Hacienda…

          • Don

            Dear Mr. Ooops,

            Don’t forget you’ve been reading my version of the Fred and Steve rankings . . . a parallel universe, if you will. In THAT world, the fact that the Saints look to finish the season winning the Valle Vista and being seeded at the top of the Mid-Valley playoff picture counts for WAAAY more than who beat them already. Besides, this is good for a couple of playoff wins against squads from Gabrielino and Bell Gardens or put another way, blog hits from SDHS fans until after the Thanksgiving sales are over.

            GOT IT NOW?

            In MY rankings, which I no longer create, San Dimas would be behind all of the Hacienda except Walnut and Rowland because those are the only ones I think they could beat. But that’s MY rankings, not my version of the Trib’s rankings. OK? Clearer?

            Oh and BTW, in MY version Pomona is #13 and Chino Hills not a factor because Chino Hills isn’t in the San Gabriel Valley, they are in the Chino Valley and pick up the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin at THEIR Starbucks.

            Hope that this has been of some help.

            Your Friend,

            Don

          • Oooops

            Yes, I understood you were being sarcastic in you emulation of the idiotic and inconsistent way that Fred and Aram make their picks. That’s why I posted “LOL” because I was truly laughing at your sarcasm.

          • Don

            My bad. Now I’ve “GOT IT”.

            ;)

  • coachbilly

    Hi Fred:
    Maybe just pick your 2-10 and make all of the ones in question #1 this week. Does one week really matter? Might help the hits on the blog??
    Reality is Amat probably is the lead dog! Heck they are a D1 program and have to comp every week at a different level. Maybe they miss the playoffs this year, but who really beats them in the SGV? Down or not?
    I truly get other schools have to content with enrollment but there’s really nothing anybody can do about it. If you look at CO, there getting it done with a very young group and no site of advanced enrollement in the near future. However the lower teams have talent, so my take is this public program gets better over the next two years!! Glendora too! Young QB can only get better…
    Have fun whoever you pick. My pick all of them 1a,b,c,d,e… Who really cares…

    • AZTEC PRIDE

      Coachbilly, you hit that right on the Nail! This is becoming, Musical Chairs, for each week. LOL… I wonder if these coaches care about being #1 in the TRIB?

      • Not So Fast My Friend

        We both know they don’t. What they care about is where CIF ranks them.

  • SGV_FOOTBALL

    I told you guys more than a month ago that when the time came to rank CO #1 you guys would be going nuts because how could a team that was sub .500 jump over unbeaten teams to the #1 spot.

    The top programs are CO, BA, CH & Glendora. From there it drops down drastically.

    Head to head:
    1)BA
    2)Glendora
    3)CO
    4)CH

    Fred’s Rankings:
    1)CO 4 wins in a row
    2)CH CO has owned CH the last 3 years. Don’t forget CH had won league many years in row before CO came to town.
    3)BA 2 losses in a row. Its time to start taking into account the two straight losses.
    4)Glendora if they lose to Los Osos, say good by to the top 5.

    Aram’s Rankings:
    1) La Habra only hiccup has been to MV, MV will be the #2 seed in the Pac 5 on a collision course to see SJB in the finals.
    2) St. Francis Will finally play some competition, I see two straight losses coming by wide margins.
    3) BA will regain the #2 spot next week.
    4) CO has been humiliated on the field 4 straight weeks in a row and now have a totally different attitude. I see CO making it to the second round.

  • GP AKA Green Machine

    This is time of the year when Trib rankings get put on the back burner. League, playoffs, Etc…That’s all that matters at the moment. Everyone talks about who beat who in preseason. SGV bloggers are far more concerned with how they stack up verses each other, instead of how you stack up in league, and your division. Remember Preseason does not count. Rank whomever you want as #1. Whomever that team is, great for them. Hopefully that team will enjoy a playoff birth, and some success in their respective division. If you are more concerned with the Tribs ranking over your respective league position, and playoff situation, then shame on you. Always remember that you are in your division because you are supposed to be able to compete on that level. If you are not getting it done where you are supposed to be, then it’s insanity to propose what you would do in another division which is lower. What would you be saying anyways….You would be saying in simple terms that you can’t hang where you are at, but would be great somewhere else. A perfect example of this would be CO. No matter what happens, they won’t do well in the inland playoffs, and will be a southeast team next year. They started out 0-4, not even ranked, now they are 4-0, and people are claiming they are #1? How, they lost to BA head up. BA started out 4-1, and now they are 0-2 facing playoff elimination. Do you think Farrar cares where he is ranked among the SGV? I am sure he cares about his #1 spot in the sierra and how that success translate into Inland playoffs. Do you think Hagerty gives a rat’s @#$ where he ranks among the SGV ? He is more concerned with trying to qualify for a coin flip or something. Monrovia, Pomona, Dranch, San Dimas, La Serna, Muir, , are not considered to be among the the top teams in the SGV, but all have some exciting playoff football to look forward to. Yeah, it’s lower division, but it’s where they are at, it’s where they belong, and going to be fun come November. As for the #1 top schools in the SGV the BA’s the CH’s, CO’s and it’s not so fun come league or playoff time. Yeah it’s because the level they play on, and yeah, if they were on a different level, they could in or could they? St Francis is going play Serra next week. Which of the SGV teams could beat Serra? You can’t win the western, if you don’t beat them. Glendora still could be the #1 team, especially if Upland beats Rancho…See….who cares right now…

    • Oooops

      The score board knows.

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Who knows what..Show me a preseason title…

        • Oooops

          The score board doesn’t forget.

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Yeah, neither does a SR who’s never won a playoff game.

    • AMAT 73

      GP,
      What did SM do when it counted against SJB and Servite , they lost so it’s not like they are at the top of the Trinity . They have 2 league losses just like AMAT . What may wind up as the kicker is AMAT’s win against then just might get us the last slot if we win out or should I say when we win out !!!! We will see what AMAT does when it seriously does count as these next two games are sink or swim for AMAT . By the way it seems that this year you are not all that keen on the rankings where as a year ago and before you were all over them . Especially Aram’s the year he named MTown the #1 team after passing league , what changed your point of view ?????

      • GP AKA Green Machine

        Would you say the Serra is on the same level as the Trinity? I don’t think so. Plus look at SM Schedule…They have all Div 1 teams on their schedule..being number one after passing league means nothing…Being #1 the end of the year means nothing.. Every team yearns to experience the playoffs…

        • AMAT 73

          GP,
          And what has that gotten them 1-2 in league . Since when are Dorsey , Carson D-1 SS schools ????

        • AMAT 73

          GP,
          Well considering the Serra and Trinity are 1-1 against each other, yes we are on par and since you are riding on the SM victory over MD , and using the method you use for MTown with the Ayala win and how that lifts MTown up over many teams . We beat SM who beat MD , you know the rest ………..

  • Not Since 1995

    Isn’t tryly embarrasing that a once arrogant and Far Far Superior football program like the Bishop NoMAS lancerito Blow Hards has to come on this blog and defend their meager and irrelevant position against us Peasants and Common people of San Gabriel Valley football…?

    I mean…how dare Glendora, Monrovia, Charter Oak, or even my huskies say that they are #1 in the valley…? That can’t be true…! Only the 1914 Bishop Amat Lancers are the #1 team in this valley (or insert whatever other old a$$ team from last century in calendar year)…! How Dare We…?

    You Amat Blow Hards have sunk to a new bottom of the barrel scum low…! And its hilarious to read about it…! Keep it coming…

    Heh…heh! Heh…heh! Heh…heh!

  • charger parent

    heres something to chew on! give big lou 3000-5000 kids and amat is a red headed step child. you forget co is doing what it does with 1800-2000 kids.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      How many of the kids are from Covina?

      • Not Since 1995

        GP aka Division 11.5 Champion

        You have to be more specific when asking a question like that?
        What you do mean by how many…? Do you mean in Jail, on Parole, etc? Just like Gangrovia, SouthCentral Covina does have its minor age crimical record…

        Just sayin’

    • Boycott lacerito

      Uh amat only has about 1400 so looks like CO will always be the red headed step child.. And imagine if amat had 3000-5000??? So cry somewhere else

  • warrior fan

    You make a very good point. All Amat honks live in the glory days and they over value the league we play in and their team. we only been n the serra league for 4 years now and won it every year so far and we came from d3 mission league. Yes his facts are correct about winners in d1 but what does that prove. He completely missed your point and argument, all amat bloggers does that when they have no answer to the truth all of them revert back to the past.

    • AMAT 73

      worrior fan,
      No we do not over value our league that just happens to be the number 2 ranked league behind the Trinity in the state and 4th in the nation so someone thinks the league has value .Think before you print something about our league because you make yourself look just as ignorant as present did by his over value our league statement . He can say whatever he wants on how we value AMAT FOOTBALL because it’s his opinion, but when he blatantly over looks facts concerning the league don’t act like a lemming and follow him to an early demise just because he puts AMAT on blast and you feel it’s your duty to join in the blasting . The top teams of the Mission , Serra and Chaminade are just as good as many teams in the PAC-5 which is why they are coming in next year . I didn’t miss the point as I was trying to point out to him just how tough it is to win the PAC-5 title , but you have first hand knowledge on that , don’t you ???????????