Tribune Super 35 Rankings: The best teams are the best teams, Charter Oak, Chino Hills and Bishop Amat still top 3

10-4-13 DRANCH17
Above: Diamond Ranch coach Roddy Layton has his team at No. 4

TRIBUNE SUPER 35 RANKINGS
1. Charter Oak (5-4) — After winning a third straight Sierra League title — and the least expected after an 0-4 start, the Chargers proved they could handle the step up in class after years of dominating the Miramonte. Now comes an even bigger test. Can the Chargers do any damage in the Inland playoffs?
2. Bishop Amat (5-4) – Folks expect the Lancers to be dropped. But it’s just not practical, even though their season ends on Friday. Even CalPreps’ computers still have Amat No. 1 in the area by a landslide. They could finish last in the Serra, but they still deserve this spot. Ask Charter Oak and Chino Hills, they’ll vouch.
3. Chino Hills (7-2) — Charter Oak may have beaten the Huskies and will win the Sierra title, but Chino Hills is ranked eighth in the Inland while the Chargers are No. 10.
4. Diamond Ranch (8-1) – The Hacienda League champs need to defeat Bonita to maintain the second seed in the Southeast Division. Nobody thought anyone would run the table in the Hacienda, but the Panthers are a game away from doing just that.
5. Glendora (6-3) — All those close wins at the beginning are coming back to haunt the Tartans. They lost an absolute heartbreaker to Los Osos and after a 6-0 start, the Tartans won’t make the playoffs.
6. Arroyo (8-1) – The Knights are hoping to nab a top four seed and the way to do it is by beating Rosemead — at Rosemead for the outright Mission Valley League title. This is the Knights’ biggest game since a season opening loss to Los Altos. Let’s see how far they’ve come.
7. Pomona (9-0) — Some are giving the areas only undefeated team little chance in Friday’s Valle Vista League title game against San Dimas. But the Red Devils have been proving the doubters wrong all year. What’s one more time?
8. Bonita (6-3) — The Bearcats are back in the playoff mix after stunning Los Altos at home. They can still be a dangerous playoff team. They have so many weapons, but they’ve battled inconsistency.
9. Los Altos (7-2) – The Conquerors need to win statement games, playoff clinchers, and they haven’t been able to do it — not in the last few years. They’ll get another chance against a hot West Covina team on Thursday.
10. San Dimas (5-4) — I don’t remember anyone starting 0-4 and dominating a league as thoroughly as the Saints. Maybe it’s because they haven’t played Pomona yet, but regardless, it’s still impressive.
The Rest: 11. Diamond Bar (5-4); 12. Rosemead (8-1); 13. South Hills (4-5); 14. West Covina (5-4); 15. Damien (4-5); 16. Azusa (7-2); 17. Ayala (3-6); 18. Northview (7-2); 19. Baldwin Park (6-3); 20. Duarte (5-4); 21. Bassett (5-4); 22. La Puente (6-3); 23. Claremont (1-8); 24. Covina (4-6); 25. Mountain View (4-5); 26. Walnut (2-7), 27. Rowland (3-7); 28. South El Monte (2-7); 29. Sierra Vista (2-7); 30. Nogales (2-7); 31. Gladstone (2-7); 32. Ganesha (3-6); 33. Workman (3-6); 34. El Monte (1-8); 35. Wilson (1-8).

TRIBUNE LEADERS (as reported by Maxpreps)
PASSING

1. Kory Brown, Charter Oak, 2,708 yards, 18 TDS
2. Michael Moran, Baldwin Park, 2,642 yards, 24 TDs
3. Koa Haynes, Bishop Amat, 2,364 yards, 19 TDs
4. Nathan Coto, Arroyo, 2,305 yards, 27 TDs
5. Jacob Tovar, La Puente, 1,626 yards, 14 TDs
6. Jose Ledesma, Azusa, 1,497 yards, 13 TDs
7. Craig Myers, Claremont, 1,402 yards, 12 TDs
8. Tyler Peterson, Diamond Bar, 1,389 yards, 11 TDs
9. Daniel Martinez, Chino Hills, 1,353 yards, 10 TDs
10. Brian Meyette, Ayala, 1,271 yards, 10 TDs
RUSHING
1. Donavon Davis, Ganesha, 1,828 yards, 25 TDs
2. Justin Torres, Sierra Vista, 1,481 yards, 12 TDs
3. Jose Moreno, Mountain View, 1,258 yards, 13 TDs
4. Cecil Fleming, Claremont, 1,179 yards, 10 TDs
5. Alex Salgado, Workman, 1,163 yards, 13 TDs
6. Adam Goss, South Hills, 1,129 yards, 12 TDs
7. Jake Payton, Bonita, 1,117 yards, 16 TDs
8. Cameron Blackburn, Azusa, 1,039 yards, 9 TDs
9. Alex Zavala, Rosemead, 1,004 yards, 8 TDs
10. Estuardo Marcos, Los Altos, 979 yards, 17 TDs
RECEIVING
1. Donavin Washington, Charter Oak, 1,292 yards, 9 TDs
2. Jose Ochoa, La Puente, 1,023 yards, 12 TDs
3. Nico Lozano, Arroyo, 969 yards, 11 TDs
4. Raymen Barraza, Baldwin Park, 907 yards, 7 TDs
5. Jayson Miller, Baldwin Park, 849 yards, 9 TDs
6. Zion Echols, Charter Oak, 837 yards, 9 TDs
7. Roy Barrajas, El Monte, 731 yards, 2 TDs
8. Shawn Wilson, Pomona, 717 yards, 10 TDs
9. Andre Long, Workman, 628 yards, 5 TDs
10. Eric Ruff, Bassett, 617 yards, 4 TDs

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  • reality

    Just to argue a little semantics with you, Amat may deserve your ranking as you say but they have not earned it. I prefer teams that earn it. To put them this high in the rankings after their many flops no matter their level of competition is a slap in the face to the other SGV teams and an embarrassment to Amat.

    • 12th man

      Don’t get so worked up..It’s all propaganda~ Even Fred doesn’t believe the rankings he puts up..I’ts all done to generate hits..

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      No need to worry about rankings….Amat is in a deep whole. No matter how dominate they are among the SGV teams, they still can’t win in their league and division…Those victories only mean that they can play with mid to low level Inland schools. Schools that are getting shipped down to the South east. That means that BA overall plays at a south east level. What’s difference in BA beating Santa Margarita, La Serna beating Westlake or Chino Hills beating Tesoro, or West Co beating LBW? Nothing! Do those teams deserve to be in the Pac 5? They are averaging 1 win or less in league, and haven’t won a first round game. The answer would be the same for BA moving forward. They don’t the luxury of saying that they are the only team who can beat Pac 5 team. That’s really how you have to look at it. All their losses were close losses, however still losses, and I don’t see them winning that league again next year or the next…

      • FredJ

        They can only play with Mid to Low level Inland Schools? Let’s see, they beat two Inland schools ranked in the top ten and their only loss to an Inland school was to No. 2, undefeated Rancho Cucamonga — whom I’m sure will tell you Amat was its toughest game.

        Let me know what low level Inland schools you’re talking about?

        BTW, Amat’s the team that beat Santa Margarita, who beat Mater Dei … Any other teams in the Valley capable of that besides the top three I ranked?

        That’s what I thought.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          Fred,

          Charter Oak is not a inland school no matter what they are ranked, you just said they would be lucky to anything in the inland…. SM is Fresh off a title… Mater Dei is fresh off a finals appearance..
          Chino Hills is a lnland school that can’t beat Charter Oak in league…. Rancho Wouldn’t tell me anything because they have not played Upland, Corona Centennial or Vista Murrieta yet, plus if they win they will be playing Serra in the regional…

          You tell me this… why can’t they win the Serra? Those teams all are battling for league titles and playoff spot, and they are in the PAC 5/ inland Picture every season. What happens when BA goes to that new league and gets handle by Gardena Serra and whoever esle they move in that league..then what…Tell me that?

          • Valley Athletics

            Only a couple teams can beat Serra . If Serra goes undefeated they will be in the open division regional .if bosco or mission viejo win PAC 5 they would get the open div . Bid . A team with losses in the PAC 5 would have to win the division for an inland team to play Serra .

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            That’s all possible…

  • Saint Parent

    Fred will probably still rank AMAT in the top 10 at the end of the season even thought they didnt make the playoffs or EVER make it to thanksgiving practice. Its all about getting the bloggers worked up and Fred knows it. He doesn’t really believe Pomona can beat SD on Friday but he does know that SD bloggers post more than the one lone Red Devil. Fred is a true Machiavellian Prince, manipulating us by using our own emotions and irrationality against against us. I have heard him interview people then read what he writes in the articles, they don’t always match up and he spins it to get “hits.” Fred…You know the Corona at SD didn’t say Muscle Milk was provided to him in his shakes. We both know he said he provided it himself, but you “SPUN” it differently. We are all little puppets and him and Aram are the puppet masters. So keep believing the junk and he will keep writing. AMAT is top 5, they will make the playoffs because their league will get 2 at large births. Blah Blah Blah

    • FredJ

      You’re right about what Corona said to me, what I was confirming with him was a text message (that I received) that he sent to Jake Payton about the shakes. Since it was so long ago and in the rear view mirror, I’ll leave it at that.

      Funny how more are questioning Amat’s ranking than Charter Oak. Let me see, same record and Amat won head-to-head. I made Charter Oak No. 1 because they’re playing better football in league obviously, and if they played again, they could probably beat Amat today. You could probably say the same about Chino Hills. But none of the other teams, nobody in the Hacienda, nobody in the Valle Vista, nobody in the Montview or Mission Valley stands a punchers chance of even being in the game with Amat. That’s just reality. That’s like me ranking Mt. SAC ahead of USC because Mt. SAC has a better record and is playing better in conference. It’s silly.

      Bishop Amat may have tanked in league, but it’s not like they’re St. Paul or Damien all of a sudden. They’re still pretty darn good.

      • 626

        Fred, the same logic you’ve used in regards to Monrovia “getting hot” during league play should be used towards CO (although what CO does in the Sierra is much more impressive.)

        This is in reference to the idea that CO could probably “beat Amat today.” I don’t see it. Folks are being too harsh on Amat, for whatever reason.

        As you well know, the Serra and the Sierra are VERY different monsters, and it is no coincidence that CO has gotten “very hot” lately. If they were in the Serra, they’d would be 0-3 in league right now too. And their losses wouldn’t be as close as BA’s. BA’s biggest discrepancy was 10 points in league…vs. the league champs ND at that. Alemany lost to Loyola by 11, Crespi lost to ND by 14, Loyola lost to ND by 10 AND to Crespi by 18 (the largest margin in league this year), and even league champs ND lost to Alemany by 8! In fact, ONLY 81 points in 8 total Serra league games separates ALL 5 TEAMS, for an average of 10 points per game!!! Amat has lost by a total of 20 points, for an average of just under ONE TD per game!! I know those are all losses, but come on now folks, Amat is competitive in ALL of those games.

        So why are we saying they don’t belong in the Serra!? Why are we saying that CO would likely beat Amat!? Again, if Amat and CO were to with places Amat would be 8-1 and CO would be 1-7. And no, Amat doesn’t need to drop divisions…they are have been to the playoffs every year since the new Serra was formed and this year they’ve been a few plays away from victory.

        • Think again

          CO already proved they would have beaten CH, in addition they would have beaten Culver City and St. Paul. Since they can’t play themselves their record most likely would be 3-4 at this point if they had played Amat’s schedule, not 1-7. I don’t know where Fred comes up with this idea that CO would beat Amat now if they played again. Amat’s wins over CH and CO should place Amat at #1 because they proved on the field who was the better team.

          • 626

            My bad, I meant if CO had been in the Serra and had Amat’s LEAGUE schedule in addition to the 0-4 start they had.

          • Think again

            Agreed

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            But Amat still would not win that division…Maybe they win the Sierra, which is misplaced in that division, but they don’t win the Inland…CO is not a Pac 5 team….BA should win that league… If CO was in the Pac 5…all the kids at Amat would be over there playing for Lou in that Division. We know CO can bring in some talent if needed….they did for the Inland division, they just forgot to find some lineman, which is very hard in this area.

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            Amat may have, but Amat has lost what? Four in a row? They are not even going to make the playoffs. How do you rank a team that’s season is virtually over, over those that are going into the playoffs? If you want your rankings to have any validity, you can’t and you shouldn’t.

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          Amat will always be one or two plays away from 2nd place in a league that won’t produce a Division one Champ. However, Alemany, Crespi, Notre Dame are new to Division one compared to Amat. When you look at Loyola, you get the feeling that any year they could be back…You just don’t get that feeling with Amat. It feels like they will never be back, and it’s true. SGV players transfer more frequently now days…and well Amat will have few guys leak from these super sophs, and well this is what Amat does on that level.

          • 626

            And I don’t see Alemany, Crespi, or Notre Dame producing a D1 champ either. Crespi made a Final appearance in ’07 I believe, but other than that? Nothing. If a team is competitive in their league, they don’t deserve to “drop” anywhere…the real question is “should the entire league drop.”

            Amat is just fine in the Serra, and I don’t hear anyone saying the 2nd strongest league in the Pac-5 division should drop anytime soon. And if no one at Amat wants to move, leave them be!

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            Crespi not yet. But they will in short order. Coach Thomas has put together a great coaching staff over there.

          • AMAT 73

            GP,
            You bring up an interesting point . Altough I don’t think any of the ” super sophs ” will transfer as next year will be their time to shine, why leave for the spotlight if it is going to be on them all next season . But in general do you think we will see as much movement as this past year . Due to what happened to many of the top transfers as far as sitting out periods , some having to go thru the appeals process , all the dirt slinging and so forth , I think more will stay at home . The penalties really hurt some good players and teams . One really has to think if the gains are worth the possible troubles that come with transferring . It’s known that AMAT does not contest transfers ( maybe if it is a supposed one person lead coup like the WC situation ) but many other schools do as we saw this past season . What do you think ??????

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            I think we will see some movement. However, I think players would handle their affairs more responsible. I think it’s time for a new coach over at Amat. I am not sure if Hagerty is right guy. It’s either BA has talent, and he is not getting the best out of them, or BA does not have talent, he is doing all he can. I think they did have some young talent this year…but finishing 0-4 would really make some kids think about their futures, and you know in the summer…people start getting in these kids ear. Once a kid is actively being recruited after the 10 grad, the scouts will follow them if they decide to switch schools. Since BA does recruit, they have to go somewhere and find a dynamic QB and develop that guy for 3 years. The QB situation is a emergency….If they don’t have one in the works, IDK. They may really be at risk to lose more than one preseason game next year. I think Haynes is the best in the area, but that’s not saying much… Plus it seems that he turned it over a little too much. The kid over at Glendora shows promise to be next best QB in the Area. The SGV does not have a problem with WR and good RB’s it’s the Lineman and QB shortages, that kills us in upper division. Overall, You know this is time of the year when i lay it on BA…However, I truly don’t want them to do bad…

          • AMAT 73

            GP,
            Remember this name Damien Garcia is a member of the sophmore class and is on Varsity . If all else faisl we go with Camargo until we prep the kid from the feshman team . Both are good

          • amat5

            You dont know the first thing about Coach Hagerty, him as a coach, and what he puts into the program. Its silly how all you wannabes come on here and talk about how you could be doing it better… but its why your not coaching beacuse you couldnt offer those boys half of what they are getting right now.

          • AMAT 73

            amat5,
            But you have to admit Verti must and possibly DiFiori have to go .

          • AMAT 73

            GP,
            Loyola, even though they have a large area to draw from , at $17,000 a year tuition doesn’t hand out free rides very often. And the academic standards are very strict as far as who gets in, even to improve the football team .

      • Steve Ramirez

        This is where Fred and I differ on the subject. I will use Hawaii’s 2007 season as an example, which was he best in school history. Hawaii went 12-0 during the regular season and played in the Sugar Bowl. They were ranked 10th going into the bowl season, rated over all but team the Pac-10, including 10-2 ASU, and nine of the 12 SEC teams, including Arkansas (8-4) and Auburn (8-4). All three likely were better teams than that Hawaii team, by virtue of its 41-10 loss to Georgia. Even at the elite levels of college football, you judge teams on the seasons they are having, based on their schedule, talent level and expectations. You could also use BYU’s 1984 national title team. The Cougars were the only undefeated team, so were voted No. 1. Based on their 24-17 victory over an unranked Michigan team, you could argue that they probably lose to No. 2 Washington (11-1), which won the Orange Bowl, but the voters felt being undefeated was more deserving.

        • New York

          Steve,
          Hawaii ran an offense based completely on perfect timing in the passing game. That timing was undoubtedly thrown off by not playing for a month.

          I really wish a lot of the bowl games could be played immediately following the regular season. Until then, teams like Oregon (more timing oriented) are at a big disadvantage against teams like Alabama that run simple, traditional offenses.

      • OuttaYourMindTrib

        CO sucks! They are THE worst league champion I have seen this century.

        Only pulling out a 7 point win against Ayala. Then thumping the chest stuff…. They will get theirs come playoffs. Let the epic beatdown begin.

    • AMAT 73

      saint parent aka cover2,
      Man you got a bad case of AMAT envy on the brain . Just be happy your team is in the playoffs and fight your battles with the MTown boys because the road to the Mid Valley title runs thru Monrovia in case you forgot !!!!!! You remember MTown, who you already are 0-1 against this season !!!! By the way you better light the candles at church this week that we lose on Friday night or we may wind up at # 1 again , And I know how that would stick in your pie hole !!!! hahahahahaha.

  • FredJ

    Reading a few of your comments, it seems some bloggers would prefer a Trib rankings that looks like this …

    1. Pomona (9-0)
    2. Diamond Ranch (8-1)
    3. Chino Hills (7-2)
    4. Rosemead (8-1)
    5. Los Altos (7-2)
    6. Azusa (7-3)
    7. Charter Oak (5-4)
    8. Bishop Amat (5-4)
    9. Glendora (6-3)
    10. Bonita (6-3)

    That would make some happy, but it couldn’t be further from reality. What I have as a top ten is far more realistic, regardless of whether you think it’s fair.

    • AZTEC PRIDE

      Listen up BOY’S, Fred Knows…Nice rankings! That’s got to be the FIRST TIME in HISTORY Fred places AZUSA over AMAT in FOOTBALL! LOL… AZTEC PRIDE is very HAPPY and Drinks(BLUE CUPS), all around THE HOUSE FOR EVERYBODY!

      • AMAT 73

        PRIDE ,
        At least with those blue cups you would fit right in with the tailgaters at AMAT !!!! Probably St Louis too !!! hahahahaha

    • SGVSports

      You know that I’m a Pomona supporting and I don’t believe that Pomona should be number 1. I do believe the 9-0 Pomona team should be ranked above the 5-4 San Dimas team whom lost to all upper division teams.

    • AMAT 73

      Fred J ,
      On the surface the rankings you posted above make more sense except for CO and AMAT . AMAT did beat CO heads up and since they have identical records the obvious is AMAT over CO . But speaking of reality how do you have CO above AMAT and have CH below them in your super 35 ???? I can’t see keeping CH under AMAT for any justifiable reason . What is your reasoning for that if you please .

      • Not So Fast My Friend

        Agreed. Amat destroyed CO.

    • Go Deep

      From an admitted Ayala Fan who has seen his Bulldogs play 4 of your top ten (DR/CO/CH/GLENDORA) I would rank different..
      Although I hate to admit it, the most impressive of those four was Chino Hills. My ratings based on where teams are at today, SOS, and who I think would beat any other opponent on your list TODAY:

      1. C.H. (I think they would beat B.A. 6 out of 10)
      2. B.A. (Just not good enough for PAC 5)
      3. C.O. (Barely beat Ayala. Lucky to be Champs)
      4. Glendora (Always in the game with anyone)
      5. D.R (Just have not played great SOS)
      6. South Hills (Prob the best of the rest)
      7. Damien (Losses only reflect SOS)
      8. Bonita (Improved)
      9. Los Altos (SOS hurts)
      9. Ayala (6 losses to league champs &/or 1-7 above)
      10. West Covina (This is their time of year.)

      • Not So Fast My Friend

        Best rationale for the rankings. You’ve mixed quality wins vs. losses and SOS. Good job!

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          CH is not a league champ…Since Ayala beat Dranch, I would like your thoughts on what their record would be if they played Ayala’s schedule? The beat El Dorado and Claremont, but after that they could easily be 2-6.

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            LOL Greenie, I never said CH was league champ. I acknowledged the rationale @go_deep:disqus used to put his list together.

            I’m not a numbers guy, so I had to put a lot of work in to crunch these numbers and evaluate common opponents and here’s what I go in regards to your question about what DR could do if they had Ayala’s schedule.

            Combined record of opponents:
            Ayala’s 49-32
            DR’s is 41-41.

            Number of points scored for/against opponents
            Ayala 164-209
            DR’s is 307-121

            Common Opponents
            zero.

            In head to head
            Ayala beat DR 19-16.

            Strictly by the numbers, the common strength of Ayala’s opponents are greater than DR’s. Which could explain the 309 in points scored for DR vs Ayala’s 164. If I were to go just off the numbers, I doubt DR would be as successful as Ayala.

            The win record of Ayala’s opponents is around 5.4% and DR’s was around 4.5%. Scoring alone would suggest DR would be able to compete, but given the winning percentage of Ayala’s opponents, I don’t think so.

            Diamond Ranch is not ranked ahead of Corona Centennial (my team). lol

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            That’s the best breakdown of any two teams yet.

            Dirty Ranch isn’t worthy to carry CC’s jock straps to the washer. Just sayin’…

  • New York

    Freddy,
    I like what you try to do by listing the best teams on the field, but you should flip Charter Oak and Bishop Amat. I think it is false to say that Charter Oak is playing better football in league right now. Bishop Amat is playing very close games against much better teams in league right now. Plus Amat beat Charter Oak by three touchdowns. How many league losses would St. Francis need to have before you ranked Monrovia ahead of them? I am sure St. Francis could finish the season 8-3 and Monrovia go 14-1 and you would still rank St. Francis over Monrovia. I wouldn’t disagree.

    • GP AKA Green Machine

      Would you say that BA would win the Mission league/ Western Div or Baseline-Inland division?

      • New York

        No, not this year regarding the Mission and Western (Serra looks very powerful. So does Chaminade.)

        I think Amat would have had a good chance of winning the Baseline league this year. Amat effectively gave the game away against Rancho. Are they still making those type of mistakes, or have they stopped fumbling as much?

        Also, I don’t think that appropriate divisional placement means that a team would be the winner. I think competing on a regular basis indicates that a team is placed properly.

        Is the Baseline league appropriate for the Inland, even though no Baseline team has been in the finals since the division was realligned a few years ago?

        If St. Francis beats Chaminade this weekend, they will have beaten a Serra-League calliber opponent. Until then, SF’s best wins are against Southeast and Sierra calliber teams…so, I think SF would probably win the Southeast Division!!!

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          “I think competing on a regular basis indicates that a team is placed properly.”

          Perfect….We have a picture of teams properly and improperly placed right here in the SGV

          Monrovia-winning multiple titles…the Midvalley is now an improper placement.

          West Co – We thought they were improperly placed in the south east after 2. But are in the right division

          Charter Oak/ Sierra league-Improperly placed in Inland now Damien in the Pac 5

          The Entire Mt Baldy league is improperly placed in Central.

          Bishop Amat- Was properly placed 15 years ago…now Demographics has them at 0-4 in league against new teams to the division…

          • New York

            Monrovia is definitely out of place in the RHL and MidValley.
            West-Co…tough to say. They have a big enrollment. I don’t know why they are struggling this year.
            Charter Oak and the Sierra should be in the Central.
            Bishop is not getting dominated in league. They are one play away from second place. I think the Serra should be dropped for a couple years into either the Inland or the Western. Or, create one of those Catholic conferences where the Serra’s and Chaminades move up, and Amat and Loyola drop down. Damien has no business moving into the Pac-5.

          • AMAT 73

            GP,
            At least let us play the 4th game until you mark us 0-4 in league or is that just a Freudian slip on your part hahahaha . You act as if we are losing like the teams that play MTown in league . All the games have been tight down to the last half of the 4th quarter and some down to the wire , in fact all went down to the wire . We have made the playoffs one way or another the past 5 years . We may not get far but we get there , how many other PAC-5 teams can say that ??? And really Alemany is the only new team to the league and division as mosat have been there quite a while or have come back up snce being dropped . Once MTown gets moved up to a competitive situation you might have clearer vision on this point .

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            This is not about Mtown…we are talking about Amat’s downward spiral as a Division 1 program. Amat should not be playing any more local teams…No one compares to what they are going see in league. Everyone gets all hype because it’s an area game…Those kind of games can go either way…A a team could play you close like CH did… or Get blown out like CO did…However, that does not mean anything…Those are all South East Caliber teams. The teams in your league with better coaching staffs and equal depth, are able to beat you. Come on even you know things look bleak over there…and Amat has no where to go but down. You know that. It’s sad, because it’s clearly obvious that Amat will never and I mean never win another D1 title. Where would they get the players from? Seriously….They have not been able to put together class with a serious shot in 20 years. Believe me I do respect Amats Program. It’s just not what it used to be.

          • AMAT 73

            But I though AMAT was now irrelevant . Why do you honks keep bring AMAT back into these conversations ???????? By the way , things have never looked better at AMAT in years . A few changes with our coodinators are needed no doubt , but the talent is in place . Maybe listen to New York and you will ge it , Yes we have lost 3 league games but it’s not as bad a picture as you paint . If we never win another title what is it to you . Beats moving down just to win a title or over staying in one just for the titles . By the way according to you AMAT has nowhere to go but up as you seem to imply we are at the bottom of the barrel . And really isn’t anything less than a state title for MTown a let down of a season because the MV and RHL are just practice for that state game as you like to say .

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Amat is a factor in local meaningless preseason games, but not a factor in the pac 5. Mtown is a small public school. It much more difficult to put together great teams year after year in the public school arena especially in the SGV…Now it seems like its impossible for Amat to put together a winning team on the Division one level. What do call 0-4 in league this year, and 1-4 verses Pac opponents? Last year was 2-3, the year before that… 2-4 the year before that…3-2 the year before that… 4-2 in 2010…That’s a downward spiral…12-23 verses Pac 5 opponents in the since with horrible first round beatings…do you think Amat wants that for another 10 years, Since everyone elses titles and accomplishments are meaningless…Amat should beat the teams in the SGV….what does that have to do with D1?

          • New York

            Amat is the St. Francis of the Pac-5. Both schools have proud traditions and once competed far better within their respective divisions. Both teams still compete within their highly competitive leagues (making playoffs regularly), but it is difficult to envision either team making a finals appearance at this point. Does that matter? It is difficult to envision four out of the six Rio Hondo League teams ever making the finals.

            This highly philosophical discussion really needs to first define what is considered as a successful season. Is it making the playoffs? Second round, third round, finals, winning the finals? It is safe to say that Amat is not an elite Pac-5 program, but their close scores every year against Pac-5 teams show that they are still competitive among the Pac-5.

          • Valley Athletics

            Take off your fishbowl glasses . There are 5 leagues . 6 if you count marmonte as 2 divisions . If Amat where In any of the other leagues besides the trinity and Serra they would be in playoffs every year . Long beach poly is the only team in there league that can beat amat . Marmonte league 3 out of 10 teams are good . Does Amat belong in PAC 5 ? Yes in all the experts opinions . amat is not in a spiral . They had one year where little things cost them victories in the end of a game . If they where losing games every year in league by 30 points like some teams in same division then yes they wouldn’t belong . Just like walnut and rowland don’t belong in southeast . As of now there is at least 15 teams in PAC 5 that Amat is better than . In the Serra . Only alemany and notre Dame has been been than Amat last 4 years . amat is 3-1 over crespi 3-1 with a game Friday against Loyola in last 5 years . So I don’t hear you saying those other teams should not be in PAC 5 .

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            First of all, for BA to have a shot at winning a first round game, they would need to win league. 2nd the other two Pac five leagues are brand new to the division, including 3 of the 5 teams in the Serra. BA is not new to Div 1, they have been in it forever. So you can’t say they would just jump in Any league and place. When you look the Serra, it’s actually much easier to win that league verses winning the Trinity, South Coast, or Moore league. BA could not win the Trinity, beat MV for the south coast title or LBP for the Moore league title. In the big scheme of things the Serra has only had one team get past the 2nd round since it’s inception. Amat has not been able to win league, and has no shot at ever winning title at the D1 level again. Do you think amat will win the Serra or their new league…Do you think Amat will win a first round game? How, if they can’t win league, they won’t get the draw needed to have a shot…Deep down in your heart, I do think Amat fans would be willing to trade their pac 5 status, to taste a playoff win. Are you willing to stay where you at never play in Nov again? That’s what its looking like.

          • Valley Athletics

            Where did I say win those leagues . I said make the playoffs in those leagues except trinity league . The argument here is if they belong in PAC 5 . Not if they will win it . And yes I think they have a chance in 2 years to win league . I have a nephew on jv now and I see a major difference in size , depth Nd talent in this class . This years freshman class is not bad either . Win a title . Not next year . In 2 years it can happen .

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            No it can’t, because you all say that every year….

          • AMAT 73

            GP,
            Can’t you tell by the posts of true LANCER fans ( as you can see the newbie club is nowhere to be found now ) the answer to your last question is NO we would not trade being a PAC-5 team for playoff wins . What would it prove to move down and win ??? Might make you happy but to the Faithful no way . You can’t understand it and I don’t expect you to. Just think if MTown was to move up to the Southeast ( now this is all hypothetical ) and you never made the playoffs or made them and were one and done , in a 5-10 year run , would you want to go back to the Mid Valley just be dominant again and reel off 4 or more titles again ???? Don’t know where you get 3 of the 5 teams in the Serra are new because other than Alemany , Crespi and ND have been there before , yes they dropped but were D-1 teams in the past for many years , so this is nothing new to them. By the way we have been playing in November since Hags became coach and this the first year in Hag’s tenure we have not made the playoffs. Things are not a bleak as you think , but then again how would you know . You don’t even know we have a very capable QB in that group of sophs and RB as well to go along with Benson who just recently finished his CIF transfer punishment sit out . Now I hope you feel better getting your feelings on the situation at AMAT off your chest . I would say good luck against SM but you have already got the win notched so what would be the point . Now can we move on to a different topic because after all we are now irrelevant to the SGV as many of you bloggers say . You can’t tell by all the hits still on AMAT can you !!!!

          • New York

            Doesnt every team play in November?

          • AMAT 73

            NY,
            As with many of GP’s post you have to do a lot of reading between the lines . He gets on such a roll when dumping on AMAT or CO his fingers get way ahead of what his brain is telling them to write .

          • New York

            Last year, practicing on Thanksgiving became and even biggger deal than ever before due to the seasons starting earlier. Now, Thanksgiving corresponds with Semifinals vs. Quarterfinals in years prior. Either way, every team has always played at least the first week of November. In past years it was at least two weeks in November. The concept of “playing in December” is what was always mentioned among the top programs in each division. That has now become VERY significant.

          • AMAT 73

            New York,
            That’s what I meant by reading between the lines . I knew he was referring to the Thanksgiving practices

          • GP AKA Green Machine

            Not Amat…

          • Think again

            Pretty sure it is currently November and pretty sure Amat plays Loyola this week.

          • OuttaYourMindTrib

            Sierra League is definitely improperly placed.

      • Valley Athletics

        More than 75 percent if PAC 5 wouldn’t win the mission this year .the baseline 50 percent of PAC 5 teams wouldn’t win .

        • GP AKA Green Machine

          That’s why Serra is out next year, they are should be in Pac 5…You could just switch Serra and Amat couldn’t you?

          • New York

            Yes

          • Valley Athletics

            Amat has been better than Loyola the last 4 years . Got to look at more years . Not just this year .

          • Think again

            Loyola beat Amat at Amat 2 years ago.

          • Valley Athletics

            Your correct . Forgot about that game.

          • Valley Athletics

            The series will be 2-2 if amat loses . But as of now its 2-1 amat .

          • Valley Athletics

            Meanto add crespi in above statement .

          • Think again

            I concur with that statement.

      • OuttaYourMindTrib

        No way does Amat win in the Inland. AT BEST they would be a 3rd place team against PUBLIC schools.

  • Dustin ohara

    So 7 wins and 4th in tough baseline or crazy stuff happens ahead of them won’t get you at large spot ? Which league do you think they will give it to if not the baseline

    • FredJ

      If anyone gets the at-large from the Baseline, it won’t be Glendora. RC, Upland and the winner between Los Osos and Etiwanda will be the top three teams in the Baseline. They loser of Los Osos-Etiwanda finishes in a tie for fourth with Glendora should Glendora win. But Los Osos and Etiwanda own head-to-head tiebreakers because they beat Glendora, so best Glendora can finish is fifth.

      • Dustin ohara

        Ok say they win and knock on wood they should they end up with 7 wins and they beat some good team charter oak Ayala Bonita south hills maxpreps has them 14 right now in the division how many get in 16 right??

        • Dustin ohara

          Also I know head to head etiwanda beat glendora but if both teams win this week glendora has 7 etiwanda has 6
          I just think they should look hard at them to get in

          • FredJ

            First tiebreaker for CIF is head to head, worth 4 points. Overall record is worth just one point. Basically, for teams in at-large pool, head to head is HUGE.

          • Dustin ohara

            Oh ok well if they win and get to 7wins that won’t help I mean maxpreps has them 14th in the inland how you leave a team out like that 7 wins no playoffs what a shame they have be in baseline heck they beat upland who can tie for first or def end up second

          • D-Mo

            Fred, how is CO’s 4 losses going to affect them in playoff pairings? How does that work?

  • RealTalk

    I don’t get it. WC beat Bonita @Bonita on Homecoming… Bonita beat a depleted Los Altos (w/o #11, #44, #56) who are key starters @Bonita and WC is ranked 14th? Wow!!!

  • TruTH

    Hey Freddy
    Why don’t you put tackles/sacks/interceptions in the tribune
    leaders? Defensive players receive some recognition too.

    • Boycott lacerito

      Excellent question. I never hear about the defense, always about offense… Only his skilled players get the recognition

  • Not So Fast My Friend

    Even though CO and BA beat CH, I’m having a hard time acknowledging two 5-4 teams ahead of some 9-0′s, 8-1′s, 7-2′s and even a 6-3 team(s). Not even the BCS or the more respected AP could make that work. :-)

    • New York

      That is because the BCS and AP deal with schools in the same division. The AP would certainly rank a 5-4 BCS team over an 8-1 FCS or D2 team.

      • Not So Fast My Friend

        Very true, but not even a 5-4 D1 would be ranked higher than a 7-2 D1 team. LOL

        • New York

          But the 5-4 conference champ would get the automatic Bowl bid over the 7-2 second place team.

          • Not So Fast My Friend

            Tell that to 2011 Oklahoma State Cowboys and my beloved Oregon Ducks who both won their conference championships and neither got the chance to play LSU for the BCS title with 11-1 records. Alabama went that year and they didn’t win their conference championship. Go figure.

          • New York

            That’s a good point. I was more referring to the bowls that take the conference champ, but I suppose those days are over (Rose Bowl Pac-10 champ vs. Big-10 champ). Did Alabama have just one loss that year as well?