Damien/St. Lucy’s headed to the Baseline following Mt. SAC releaguing; Rowland to Valle Vista; Baldwin Park to Montview

Story: Representatives from the 42 schools that comprise the Mt. SAC area met on Friday at Walnut High School to discuss releaguing for the 2014-16 cycles after learning that Damien and St. Lucy’s Priory won its arbitration case against the CIF-Southern Section to remain in the Mt. SAC area for league placement rather than be placed in all Parochial leagues.
Mt. SAC area representatives already voted on releaguing a year ago with the understanding that Damien and St. Lucy’s would be in Parochial leagues.
Instead of simply voting to place Damien and St. Lucy’s into one of the newly formed leagues agreed on last year, representatives from the Mt. SAC area voted Friday to start the process all over again, which began with schools that asked for relief the first time, South Hills, Garey, Alta Loma, Baldwin Park, Pomona, Charter Oak and Glendora, asking for relief again.
Once that was established, schools and leagues met and six proposals were submitted for consideration.
Damien submitted a proposal that would have put the Spartans and St. Lucy’s in the Palomares League with Bonita moving from the Palomares to the Baseline, but Damien’s proposal was the first to be eliminated.

A proposal submitted by Azusa, Chino and the Baseline league at Friday’s Mt. SAC Area releaguing meeting at Walnut won over five other proposals. The Mt. SAC Area leagues for the 2014-16 seasons is listed below. The five other proposals considered can be viewed by clicking the thread.

Proposal B submitted by Azusa, Baseline and Chino
Baseline League

Chino Hills, Damien/St. Lucy’s, Etiwanda, Los Osos, Rancho Cucamonga, Upland
Palomares League
Ayala, Bonita, Claremont, Diamond Bar, Glendora, South Hills
Hacienda League
Charter Oak, Chino, Diamond Ranch, Los Altos, Walnut, West Covina
Mt. Baldy League
Alta Loma, Chaffey, Colony, Don Lugo, Montclair, Ontario
Valle Vista League
Nogales, Covina, Northview, Rowland, San Dimas, Wilson
Montview League
Azusa, Duarte, Gladstone, Baldwin Park, Sierra Vista, Workman
Miramonte League
Bassett, Edgewood, Ganesha, Garey, La Puente, Pomona

Original proposal from last year
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ELIMINATED PROPOSALS BELOW
Proposal F submitted by Damien
League 1

Bonita, Chino Hills, Etiwanda, Los Osos, Rancho Cucamonga, Upland
League 2
Ayala, Chino, Claremont, Damien/St. Lucy’s, Diamond Bar, Glendora
League 3
Charter Oak, Diamond Ranch, Los Altos, South Hills, Walnut, West Covina
League 4
Alta Loma, Chaffey, Colony, Don Lugo, Montclair, Ontario
League 5
Baldwin Park, Covina, Northview, Rowland, San Dimas, Wilson
League 6
Azusa, Duarte, Gladstone, Nogales, Sierra Vista, Workman
League 7
Bassett, Edgewood, Ganesha, Garey, La Puente, Pomona

Proposal D submitted by Mt. Baldy, San Dimas, Montview
League 1

Chino Hills, Damien/St. Lucy’s, Etiwanda, Los Osos, Rancho Cucamonga, Upland
League 2
Ayala, Bonita, Chino, Claremont, Diamond Bar, Glendora, South Hills
League 3
Charter Oak, Diamond Ranch, Los Altos, Rowland, Walnut, West Covina
League 4
Alta Loma, Chaffey, Colony, Don Lugo, Montclair, Ontario
League 5
Baldwin Park, Covina, Nogales, Northview, San Dimas, Wilson
League 6
Azusa, Duarte, Gladstone, Sierra Vista, Workman
League 7
Bassett, Edgewood, Ganesha, Garey, La Puente, Pomona

Proposal A submitted by South Hills, Claremont
League 1

Chino Hills, Damien/St. Lucy’s, Etiwanda, Los Osos, Rancho Cucamonga, Upland
League 2
Ayala, Bonita,Chino, Claremont, Diamond Bar, Glendora
League 3
Charter Oak, Diamond Ranch, Los Altos, South Hills, Walnut, West Covina
League 4
Alta Loma, Chaffey, Colony, Don Lugo, Montclair, Ontario
League 5
Baldwin Park, Covina, Northview, Rowland, San Dimas, Wilson
League 6
Azusa, Duarte, Gladstone, Nogales, Sierra Vista, Workman
League 7
Bassett, Edgewood, Ganesha, Garey, La Puente, Pomona

Proposal C submitted by Valle Vista, Hacienda
League 1

Ayala, Chino Hills, Damien/St. Lucy’s, Etiwanda, Los Osos, Rancho Cucamonga, Upland
League 2
Bonita, Chino, Claremont, Diamond Bar, Glendora, South Hills
League 3
Charter Oak, Diamond Ranch, Los Altos, Rowland, Walnut, West Covina
League 4
Alta Loma, Chaffey, Colony, Don Lugo, Montclair, Ontario
League 5
Baldwin Park, Covina, Nogales, Northview, San Dimas, Wilson
League 6
Azusa, Duarte, Gladstone, Sierra Vista, Workman
League 7
Bassett, Edgewood, Ganesha, Garey, La Puente, Pomona

Proposal E submitted by Baldwin Park
League 1

Chino Hills, Damien/St. Lucy’s, Etiwanda, Los Osos, Rancho Cucamonga, Upland
League 2
Ayala, Bonita, Claremont, Diamond Bar, Glendora, South Hills
League 3
Charter Oak, Chino, Diamond Ranch, Los Altos, Walnut, West Covina
League 4
Alta Loma, Chaffey, Colony, Don Lugo, Montclair, Ontario
League 5
Covina, Nogales, Northview, Rowland, San Dimas, Wilson
League 6
Azusa, Baldwin Park, Duarte, Gladstone, Sierra Vista, Workman
League 7
Bassett, Edgewood, Ganesha, Garey, La Puente, Pomona

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  • Go Deep

    Proposal “B” looks like a winner possibly with the following changes — Charter Oak & Diamond Ranch to League 2… Claremont & Diamond Bar to League 3. In my opinion that makes both leagues more balanced. Bring back the Sierra League get rid of Palomares

  • AZTEC PRIDE

    Fred would without a doubt Baldwin Park’s is by far the best Proposal! Come that would be a great match up seeing AZUSA vs Baldwin Park!
    Proposal E submitted by Baldwin Park
    League 1
    Chino Hills, Damien/St. Lucy’s, Etiwanda, Los Osos, Rancho Cucamonga, Upland
    League 2
    Ayala, Bonita, Claremont, Diamond Bar, Glendora, South Hills
    League 3
    Charter Oak, Chino, Diamond Ranch, Los Altos, Walnut, West Covina
    League 4
    Alta Loma, Chaffey, Colony, Don Lugo, Montclair, Ontario
    League 5
    Covina, Nogales, Northview, Rowland, San Dimas, Wilson
    League 6
    Azusa, Baldwin Park, Duarte, Gladstone, Sierra Vista, Workman
    League 7
    Bassett, Edgewood, Ganesha, Garey, La Puente, Pomona

  • What the heck

    That’s some balls that Damien has, they puss out on the all Catholic League and turn around and try to throw Bonita under the buss with their Proposal F. For my money, why should any of the Public Schools make it easy on Damien? Proposal “C” is the one that every school should vote for. It not only puts Damien into the Baseline but it also makes the Baseline a 7 team league which will make it harder for Damien to ever make the playoffs. By simply inserting Damien as an added team to the Baseline it makes all the other leagues remain the same and will mean that all the rest of the teams in the Mt. Sac Area will not have to re-work their football schedules.

    • reality

      Could not agree more minus the euphemism. Even though these proposals are all about football that is not the argument AD’s will make. They will say its about the girls wrestling teams and boys golf. We must be fair to all teams and schools.Screw Bonita football because their other teams do so well. I do think Bonita football will be smashed today..

    • PatrickHT

      Its ALL a popularity contest when it comes to voting!

    • no-step

      Wow! You sure have some axe to grind. I’ve heard of racism and sexism…what kind of “ism” are you?

      • What the heck

        Truth”ism”

        • Roger

          It’ Put”ism”

  • ie baller

    Bonita, South Hills, Los Altos, Rowland, West Covina & Walnut. DRanch & CO to the Palomares. Damien will be playing for 5th place every year.

  • Valley Athletics

    Why didn’t Damien ask for relief like charter oak did .

    • Steve Ramirez

      They didn’t need relief. they wanted the status quo…relief is when you are not comfortable with your present league, which is why Nogales wantd to stay. Damien can ask for it the next cycle.

  • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

    other than water polo golf and debate…they’ll never make the playoffs…..but the travel time they’ll save LMAO

    • Steve Ramirez

      Theyll make the playoffs in basketball, where they still will be mid-to-top team in their division…and baseball they should be competitve. Football, they have work to do.

      • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

        they’ll make the playoffs as a 5th or 6th place team!(EHS,Rancho,Upland,Chino Hills team…it’s CIF everybody makes the playoffs!….Lucys will fare even worse….but , the travel time they will save LMAO

        • Steve Ramirez

          Based on how Damien’s been the past few years, they will be the third-best hoop program in the baseline, behind Etiwanda and Chino Hills. They are about equal, or a little ahead of Rancho…and didn’t think much of Upland when I saw them lose at home to Glendora. St. Lucy’s will hold its own in volleyball, but will struggle in hoop and softball. Damien will be competitive in baseball.

          • Valley Athletics

            rancho was better than Damien this year 25-4 this season and only lost to etiwanda in league .Los Osos was better than Damien also . I saw them both against Walnut . I thought Los osos where better than Damien . In baseball Damien will be top team next year in the baseline .

          • Steve Ramirez

            I guess its really subjective, since they haven’t played. But was more viewing over the past 3-4 years, not just last year. In basketball, it really doesn’t matter, because you get broken down in your own division. Bigger question is what division Damien will drop to…I have a sense they’ll drop to either 1A or 2AA, since they lost in the second round.

          • Roger

            It is refreshing to finally read something from someone that knows what they are talking about. THANK YOU!!!

          • justLouie

            Damien beat Los Osos this past season at Los Osos. I agree with Steve here

  • Don

    “Damien submitted a proposal that would have put the Spartans and St. Lucy’s in the Palomares League with Bonita moving from the Palomares to the Baseline, but Damien’s proposal was the first to be elimated.

    BWAAAAAaaaaaa haaaaaaa!

    THEN, when they put the pipe down and realized that they had already dodged one bullet, the Sparties slunk away.

  • Roger

    Damien will do well in the Baseline League

    • Lupe

      Not in football and basketball. In a good,really good year they’re playing for third.

      • Not So Fast My Friend

        Damien won’t be competing for 3rd in the Baseline, not with Upland and Rancho Cucamonga taking the lead. The third place fight will will probably come down to Chino Hills and Los Osos. If Etiwanda can regain their feet, it may come down to a three way squabble. But you never know. Damien finished on a high note for 2013 beating CH in a game they were supposed to lose and can carry that momentum over into 2014. How well they do in 2014 depends on how their younger players mature and whether they can replace their seniors and MLB Joe Provenzano.

    • no-step

      They will be in the cellar from here on out. They can’t compete in that league. Sparty has proven over the last several years that they play .500 ball. Since Pasky left, they haven’t had a defense. They don’t hire anyone who understands defense.

      • Roger

        Football may be the most important sport for most. But I meant it in a general sense.

  • SGV 4 30 Years

    Looking at the all the leagues one thing is clear. Football is what runs the show. Since that is what needs to be said without being said, the powers that be had a chance to get it right. But they once again took the easy way out. We are at the point where football needs to be separated from other sports. Having football only leagues makes the most sense. Here is a rough formula for making the leagues. First take all the schools of similar enrollment and put them in a pool. Then look at their records and schedules over the past 4 year. Take the top 6 and put them in the top league. The middle teams make up the middle leagues. The bottoms in the lower divisions. The leagues can be re-shuffled every 3 or 4 years based on success.
    Football is under attack. Fewer and fewer kids are turning out. Safety, concussions are a big issue. No one wants their son to go into game knowing they are badly over matched. Football only seems to make sense.

    • Roger

      To me it makes perfect sense. Unfortunately it will take a lawsuit from the parents of a seriously injured athlete to make that happen.

  • Leo Tolstoy

    Let’s call Damien’s actions for what they are, gutless. This issue has never been about travel but competition. Damien did nothing to refute their reputation as soft and spoiled brats who hide behind their own shadow.

    • no-step

      If I’m not mistaken, private schools have to pay for their own travel costs. I believe these costs could be significant. Public schools get taxpayer funding, and maybe a car wash here and there. I can see why this travel thing could be a real issue.

      • What in the world

        The whole travel thing is bunk. If travel was such a concern with Damien, then why have they scheduled teams such as Los Alamitos, Palm Desert, Temescal Canyon and Orange Lutheran in the preseason over the past couple of years?

        • Leo Tolstoy

          One word: competition. That’s the issue. Apples to apples Damien belongs along side Bishop Amat, St. Francis, St. John Bosco, Mater Dei and Loyola.

      • Leo Tolstoy

        So now money is an issue for Damien but not anyone else? Think before you write.

    • Not So Fast My Friend

      I don’t see how Damien’s petition looking out for their best interest makes them gutless. That sounds like overkill.

      • Leo Tolstoy

        Every coward has a self interest that supercedes fairness and equity. Damien bailed on its own values. In fact why doesn’t Damien schedule Rio Hondo Prep? Maybe the Spartans hang for three quarters instead of a half like they usually do.

  • Wells

    Football being the #1 criteria was true years ago, not anymore. Otherwise, why would Diamond Bar be in the #2 league? I agree with many comments that there is some political influence, but this is a difficult process when there are many schools that would rather win easy championships against lesser competition.

    Enrollment is not the best indicator. If schools were honest in the number of athletes that tried out for sports — it would be a a better number to use than school enrollment.

    Since this is unrealistic, proximity and competitive equity should be the top two criteria.

    For the people that want the Palomares league to be switched back to the Sierra League — this was done so CIF would have to evaluate the league and place it properly in the playoffs. The name “Sierra” would have put many teams in a higher playoff division than would be fair and equitable.

    • What in the world

      League #2 and League #3, as far as football is concerned, is basically a push. There will be years when League #3 is better then League #2 and vice versa. The big difference in the 2 leagues will come in other sports. League #2 will be pretty good in Basketball and fantastic in Baseball while League #3 will be sub par in both Basketball and Baseball.

  • TruTH

    Fred,
    When will they decide which league goes to which division?

  • Jastrab

    In some ways the Baseline should now be considered for PAC 5 more than the Big 8. Here me out! The PAC 8 has one great team and the rest are no where near any of the 1 – 4 of the new Baseline. Charter Oak proved that the last two year with there easy first round win.

    As for the Baseline, it will be interesting how they accept Damien. I doubt they will like having the private in a traditional public league – add to that the recruiting that they want/need to do and the western IE (i.e. the Baseline) will be where they can get a lot of good football players. I would expect to see some serious problems if some folks check of of Los Osos, Rancho, Etiwanda or even Upland if their parents don’t see a CIF title for the former and playing time in the latter.

    The Baseline will be the premier league in the IE for the next few years. The Corona Centennial and Vista Murrieta come from weak leagues – other than themselves.

    At least the boys Water Polo team from LO will have two competitive games in the Baseline for once.

    • ie baller

      Last year Charter Oak played 1 team from the Big VIII and lost and that was to the #4 team Roosevelt. Head to head last year Centennial/ Norco/ Santiago/ Roosevelt went 5-4 against Upland/ Rancho/ Etiwanda/ Los Osos. Centennial only accounted for 2 of those wins. Upland’s 2 wins came against #3 Santiago by 2 total points. Chino Hills lost against the Southwestern leagues #2 in CIF? So not sure where you think the Baseline is that much better then the Big VIII or Southwestern. Add to the fact all of the new housing/ schools/ facilities being built in Riverside County- which will absolutely continue to attract talent from all over, nothing will change, the Big VIII will still be the top dog in the IE, but there are definitely no gimmie games in the Baseline league now. It makes you wonder if those Baseline league teams will soften up the preseason schedules knowing each loss in league is that much more amplified now. Top to bottom, the Baseline is loaded, but head to head means more.

      • Jastrab

        I give the edge to the Baseline with CH and Damien coming into the league. At worst the Baseline would probably be .500 against the Big 8.

    • What in the world

      The rumor is that CIF will be establishing a D1 Public Division consisting of; The Baseline, Southcoast (Mission Viejo, etc), Southeast (Vista, etc), Foothill (Hart, etc), and Sunset (Edison, etc). If this is true, then this will be a very tough division.

      • Jastrab

        One problem…if Damien is going to the Baseline is the Baseline a public league..