Bishop Amat football will be in Catholic South League with Loyola, Serra and Salesian; St. Francis, La Salle and St. Paul in Mission

BREAKING NEWS: The Catholic Athletic Association approved new leagues on Thursday, voting to approve a proposal from Serra High School that puts Bishop Amat in the Catholic League South that also will include Loyola, Gardena Serra and surprising Salesian beginning in the fall.
Salesian, who just won the Northeast Division which is considered Division 13, will appeal the decision that would send the lower-division champions to the Pac-5 Division, which is considered the top division in Southern California. The Catholic North will consist of Alemany, Chaminade, Crespi and Notre Dame.

The Serra Proposal was approved on Thurday, creating the following football leagues to start in the fall.
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For all other sports, the Camino Deal Real Association proposal passed, which will group 17 boys and 16 girls into three leagues. They will be grouped into leagues by sport based on geography and competitiveness.

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The Catholic Athletic Association met at Sherman Oaks Notre Dame on Tuesday and drafted the the following proposal for football only that will be turned in today and voted on March 27. The proposal is for a Catholic North and South League of four teams each, with Bishop Amat in the South. Athletic directors agreed that the final three games will be North and South league games only. Non-league games will include crossover games between the North and South, guaranteeing seven games, leaving only three non-league games to fill out. It guarantees the North and South two Pac-5 playoff spots with hopes of at-largue berths. The Mission League also submitted a proposal that will be turned in today as well that groups La Salle in the Mission with St. Francis. There also was talk at Tuesday’s meeting that Paraclete make make a bid to join the CAA.

Breaking News: Only two football only proposals were filed by the deadline, the one listed below that I’ve written about proposed by Serra High School, and another by Salesian which filed the exact same proposal as Serra, only Salesian flipped itself with Cathedral. So basically, Salesian and Cathedral have drawn a line in the sand and since both allegedly refuse to be in the same league, they will allow the ADs and principals to vote to determine who will play in the Pac-5 and who will go to the Mission League. It’s one or the other, no other proposals were filed so between now and March 29, expect reps from both schools to be lobbying hard for votes to avoid going to the Catholic South and Pac-5 …

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  • Saints Go Marching In

    Why would Paraclete want to be in a league that would go to the PAC5. Lets all think about this for a second…Midvalley Division 11 to PAC5 Division 1. Who would you rather play in the first round of the playoffs Pomona or St John Bosco? Sorry Saints fans but your road to the finals may get easier with Monrovia possibly changing divisions but Paraclete to the PAC5 isn’t happening.

    • FredJ

      They would likely join the Mission League which is not in the Pac-5

      • Saints Go Marching In

        Makes sense, thanks for the clarification. That would be a nice fit for them. They would be very competitive. If that’s the case the Saints have to be licking their chops with you reporting months ago that Monrovia could be on its way out too. Holy Smokes, that could get ugly but that’s why you play the games. Everyone said the same about Monrovia this year.

    • PasStar

      Paraclete is tired of playing weak competition. Cream always rises to the top. Norm knows that if he plays better competition on a consistent basis, his kids will perform. Paraclete will be fine if they move up. He plays Dorsey and other tough non-league games every year and gets wins.

  • saints Fan

    I would have to agree, Paraclete may be bighting off more than they can chew. Having watched them the last 2 years, being an Alum of St Francis and also part of another program in DII during my son’s HS years, Even in the Mission League they are outclassed by a lot. Best Wishes to them if they do, but as some say “be careful what you wish for, you might just get it”… then don’t know what to do with it once you have.

  • FredJ

    In discussing this I heard that Salesian reps didn’t take part in the CAA proposal that would put them in the Catholic South. That’s interesting, also heard that reps from Salesian and Cathedral DO NOT want to be in the same league because of animosity amongst each other. That puts Salesian, a football program on the rise, in a tough spot if it can’t be in the Mission with Cathedral. I thought St. Francis would have been a better fit in the South instead of Salesian .. But in any case, this is a great grouping for Bishop Amat. There is no reason they can’t finish top one or two.

    • Valley Athletics

      Serra is going to be very loaded . At least 7-8 D-1 players . Loyola is improving also .

      • OnBLUE

        And the Royal Blue and Gold will be ready.

        • Valley Athletics

          The kids are so hyped to be playing Serra and corona this year . Plus there trip to Texas

          • Here’s JOHNNY, or Little Johnn

            So who comes off the schedule for non league?? We currently have SM, Aledo, Cuc, Corona, CH+7 league games?? I would say Corona and CH being that those are new contracts starting this year? Unless we have week -2, and -1. LOL Bring it on baby!!! You dont want no BIG BIG BLUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEE!

          • AMAT 73

            Little John,
            Thought we were done with CH . Is it a 3 year or 4 year deal .

    • Steve Ramirez

      St. Francis would be a better fit than either Salesian, Cathedral or even St. Paul. But either of them would be destined as the No. 4 team, maybe No. 3 in St. Francis’ case in some years. Serra would rule the league, as they do in the Mission now. As a practicing Catholic, I find it hard to believe that two Catholic schools would have animosity towards each other. If they do, maybe they need to sit down and work toward a solution. But both should be in the Mission…asking a D13 and D11 schools to move up to D1 seems like a stretch.

      • AMAT 73

        Steve,
        It’s common place for Catholic high schools to have hated and heated rivals . Just think of AMAT and the slime . I admit the Salesian / Cathedral rivalry goes much deeper and stronger and you could throw Cantwell in that mix also . Ask any alums from those 3 schools about letterman jacket hunts back in the day .

        • The stands

          There’s been plenty of animosity between Cantwell and Salesian. When I attended Cantwell in the mid 70′s, we were in the Angeles League with Loyola, Crespi, St. Francis and Notre Dame. For obvious reasons, we couldn’t compete with those schools (although we wouldn’t get blown out). However, our games against Salesian were wars. The rivalry got so intense that in subsequent years both schools agreed not to play each other. Funny though, a very good friend of mine, and colleague, is a Mustang; in the end both schools are more alike than not.

          • Jastrab

            The Stands…Are you sure that was the Angelus League and not the Del Rey League. The Angelus League for most of the 70′s was Amat, St. Paul, Mater Dei and Pius X/Bishop Montgomery.

          • AMAT 73

            Jastrab,
            I’ve been waiting to see if anyone caught that . I’ll buy Pius X but no on Cantwell . AMAT, MD , Pius X , St slime , St Anthony , no Bishop Montgomery . I can’t remember the 6th team , maybe Servite , think we need JA’s input on this one .

          • http://bishopamat.org/ Joe Amat

            Yes, the Angelus League at that time was Amat, Mater Dei, Servite, St Anthony, Pius X, and St Paul.

          • Jastrab

            Bishop Montgomery replaced Pius X in the 1980, but dropped out around 1983 for Gardena Serra. Back then Serra struggled in the Big 5. I don’t think they every made the playoffs in the few years they were in the Angelus (1983 to 1985ish) – I even thought that St. Barnard was in for a year or so. The Angelus always had one Homecoming team in all the years that I remember. The Serra from and to some extent the Del Rey (modern with Amat in it) did not have doormat.

          • The stands

            Jastrab, thank you for the correction, you’re right. It’s been a long time. What is very clear, though, is the intensity of the rivalry with Salesian. We didn’t play Cathedral often at all in those days. BTW, I think it was Servite that was part of the Angeles in the 70′s.

          • OnBLUE

            I know that in 1986, Pius X was not in BA’s league which I remember being the Angelus. I do remember Servite being in that league because I remember watching BA’s star RB, Eric Bienemy, absolutely destroy Servite.

        • Steve Ramirez

          Nothing wrong with having rivalries on the field/court/pool/track…but off it you have to remember you are Catholic, which is to love all. You shouldn’t hate. We believe that if we are hurt by someone, we turn the other cheek, like Jesus told Peter. It’s time for Salesian and Cathedral to turn the cheek on the hate.

          • OnBLUE

            BUT THIS IS FOOTBALL! =)

          • AMAT 73

            Steve,
            Sounds like Religion 101 with Fr. Louie . When those 2 turn the other cheek Cantwell would be there to slap it . We of Catholic high school origins tend to follow the lead of our first brothers , Cain and Abel . HAHAHAHAHAHA

          • Jefe

            LOL!! Great post, AMAT73. Too true…

          • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

            havent heard Fr. Louis A. mentioned in years !

          • AMAT 73

            G,
            One of the great ones along with many others . Got any spare change for the missions ????

          • http://sgvtribune.com/ Galileo

            I have many memories of those priests,some of them are good too..wink

        • OnBLUE

          THE BLUE & GOLD WILL ALWAYS CRUSH the slime.

    • The truth and nothing but…

      Fred, I have always respected your opinion but please tell us how is Salesian on the rise with one D13 championship? Maybe on the rise where they play a LaSalle or a beat down St. Paul but Loyola and Serra?

  • FootballMan

    Fred – You have your facts wrong. The proposal is not from the CAA. It is from one group of schools in the CAA. There will be many other proposals submitted over the next two weeks for consideration at the full CAA meeting on March 27th. On its face, this proposal is absurd. Under what objective criteria could anyone claim that moving a Division XIII school (Salesian) – which has lower enrollment and less historical success in football than Cathedral, HW, St. Paul, and St.Francis – to Division I meets the standards of fair competition?

    This whole process will be full of backroom deals and dirty politics. Looks like today’s proposal is the first indication of that sad reality

    • FredJ

      Football man, this proposal was generally agreed upon by all the parties involved for football only — and my understanding is that this is the proposal that will likely be voted for approval and play in the Pac-5 .. As I noted, Salesian was the only school that was not at the meeting. Although this was the football proposal from Serra HS, others were discussed but most ADS and principals agreed the Serra proposal works best and this is what they will likely vote for.

      • Jose Lozano, Salesian ’76

        When coach Hiatt took over 6 years ago he changed the culture of Salesian football. He built our program that led to our 1st title last year. Most successful programs get moved up 3 to 6 divisions. That allows for the continued development of their respective programs. But not 9, to D4, nor 12 (!), to D1! Seems like someone is calling THESE Mustangs the SMU of CIF-SS football. Can you say program DEATH PENALTY!

    • FredJ

      Football man, you still think I’m crazy. Was told today only two proposals were filed with Salesian filing the exact same one only switching itself with Cathedral. So, one of the two are going to the Pac-5 and it appears most support sending Salesian. Why? Because Salesian has the better of the two football programs and Salesian lined up a difficult non-league schedule that already included Pac-5 teams hoping to raise it’s profile.

      I agree neither one should go to the Pac-5. St. Francis, St. Paul, one of them should have gone. But this is a mess Salesian and Cathedral created themselves by refusing to be in the Mission League together. Now, one will pay the price.

  • FootballMan

    Fred – Check your sources. There are over 20 schools that will vote on the football proposals,probably about 25. Fewer than 15 were at the meeting. Also, the meeting was of ADs, not principals. Ultimately, principals will cast the votes on the final proposals.

    Do you have a rational explanation as to why Salesian would be moved up 12 divisions in football, ahead of Cathedral, HW, St. Paul, and St. Francis? Sounds like backroom deals are being made to me. How very Catholic of those schools.

  • FredJ

    Breaking News: Only two football only proposals were filed by Wednesday’s deadline, the one listed above that I’ve written about posted by Serra High School, and another by Salesian which filed the exact same proposal as Serra, only Salesian flipped itself with Cathedral. So basically, Salesian and Cathedral have drawn a line in the sand and since both refuse to be in the same league, they will allow the ADs and principals to vote to determine who will play in the Pac-5 and who will go to the MIssion League. It’s one or the other, no other proposals were filed so between now and March 29, expect reps from both schools to be lobbying hard for votes to avoid going to the Catholic South and Pac-5 …

    • Valley Athletics

      It’s time for Salesian and cathedral to try to play each other again . It’s a new generation now and maybe this generation can behave better . They can try playing there games in Saturday afternoon with good security and letting students know if they are caught starting trouble they will be expelled .

  • Fernando Botello

    Cathedral nor Salesian belong in Pac 5 play PERIOD…..how can you move a DIV XIII school like Salesian to DIV 1 it makes no sense

    This is all because of Damien, Oaks Christian, St Bonnies refusing to play in the leagues their suppose to…..now Cathedral & Salesian are taking the blame unfortunately……..as a Cathedral Alumni I’d love to see them have Salesian in their league in all sports…..but unfortunately I don’t think Br John (Cathedrals principle) will allow it….he knows how bad the Rivalry is…..BTW Fred I don’t think you can say Salesian is the better of the two programs…Salesian plays in a MUCH weaker league & division…they have one common opponent in Pasadena high Salesian won 41-6 meanwhile Cathedral won 44-9.

    Ideally we should have a 7 team serra league & a 6 team mission league (with salesian & cathedral in it)

    • Here’s JOHNNY, or Little Johnn

      Thank you Fernando! Lets not loose site of who started all this BS.

    • If I only KNEW???!!!??!?!?!?!?

      Hey maybe they should have put Monrovia in the PAC-5. Bunch of stud athletes roaming the field over there. I bet they could compete. Besides they are a much higher division then Salesian.

      • The truth and nothing but…

        Much higher division? Eleven?

  • Slappy

    I’ll believe it when I see it. This is all speculation and i doubt Salesian or Cathedral will be moving up. Salesian should move into the Del Rey and Loyola should move to the Mission

    • Jefe

      You believe it now, Slap?

      • Slappy

        LOL! Yes! AD’s for all the PAC 5 schools are now scurrying around to schedule Salesian as their homecoming game

        • Jefe

          LOL ouch.

  • animal

    I think it’s a slap in the face that St. Francis gets over looked! SF always plays a more competitive preseason schedule. While all these other schools are recruiting kids. SF does it without recruiting and are still very competitive!! Coach Bonds and his staff have done a great job with this program!!! And should be given the respect! SF would be the better fit for the south!!

    • Valley Athletics

      That would be my choice for joining The south league . But I think what’s holding them back is the fact that Salesian and Cathedral won’t be in the same league .

  • James Escarcega

    Animal — I totally agree with you on that.. unfortunately the St Francis administration doesn’t agree with that thinking. They believe that they don’t have the athletes to play with the schools like Amat and Crespi and Alemany. Thus they want no part of the new league and want to stay in the Mission League…

    • The truth and nothing but…

      Unlike Salesian, St. Francis is smart. They’re right, they don’t have the athletes to compete with PAC 5 schools. In fact, most Mission League teams besides St. Paul have better athletes than SF. SF wins for one simple reason, coach Bonds!

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  • The truth and nothing but…

    Let me get something straight. Salesian had trouble beating teams like Rio Hondo Prep with their combined coed student body of 100 and Mission Prep for all those years, they have one CIF D13 championship compare to RHP’s fourteen, and all of a sudden they are going to beat teams like Loyola and Serra? I know one thing if the school and CIF is stupid enough to allow this to happen and I have a son on the team and he gets seriously injured, I am suing both the school and CIF. I hope anyone from Salesian who thinks this is a good thing understands this is equivalent to Pitzer College going to the SEC or a varsity team scheduling a Pop Warner team.

  • FootballMan

    Fred –
    Do some reporting here! Salesian entered a counter-proposal to the Serra proposal simply to make a point. Neither Salesian nor Cathedral belongs in Division I. Those two schools do not have the resources, talent pools, or strength of programs to achieve “competitive aquity” with the other 7 schools. Both proposals should have been voted down. The small and medium sized schools simply caved in to the big programs and offered up a sacrificial lamb, in this case Salesian.

    If you examine the strength of programs over the last several years, school enrollments, financial resources, and on the field results, Salesian is the weakest program and school when compared to Harvard-Westlake, St. Francis, and Cathedral.

    The real story here is the back room deals that were cut to force Salesian into that 8th spot. Last spring, the very same CAA voters put Salesian in Division X, leaving them behind Cathedral, HW, and St. Francis.

    It’s easy for the other CAA schools to send Salesian to the lions. That’s what the rich and powerful have been doing to poor minorities for centuries. The beat goes on. But when it’s done by people who work for an institution that purports to have a “preferential option for the poor”, I call it shameful.

    • FredJ

      You haven’t addressed the bigger point in that why can’t Salesian and Cathedral play in the same league? If they both agreed to be in the Mission where they belong, it would have happened. You’re blaming other CAA schools when the Hatsfields and McCoy’s can’t settle their differences.

      • FootballMan

        Fred – I totally respect your coverage of high school sports. It’s needed. So do me a favor. Call the individuals on the inside that know how this all happened. Get them on record. Call Sam Robles the principal at Salesian and Br. John at Cathedral. Call other insiders, like the principals at St. Francis and Serra. You will find out that Salesian was fine with playing Cathedral in all sports. Cathedral was the school that refused to play Salesian in basketball or football. But in the end, Salesian is paying the price for Cathedral’s refusal to do what’s right.

        Cathedral knew they had the votes (for all sorts of inside politics reasons – none having to do with integrity and doing right by the kids) so they stuck to their guns.

        Do the investigative journalism. Get people to go on record. If they won’t, write that in your post.

        There’s a lot more to this story than anyone is reporting.

        • AMAT 73

          FBM.
          Bottom line is neither school belongs in the PAC-5 . If anyone it should be St Francis but all this Is because Damien , the logical one to move up , balked at being in the PAC-5 .

        • Slappy

          And while you’re at it Fred, ask Br. John if ine if the reasons he doesn’t want Cathedral I play Salesian is because someone from their student body defaced cathedral’s football field last year.

          • Miguel A. Rodriguez

            You are making this entire debate about Salesian and Cathedral. The fact that neither belong in the PAC 5 is one concern, but the real problem is that Salesian moved from Division 1 to Division 13. There are plenty of probable causes, because apparently more than one team has refused to be in the new leagues. So if Br. John refuses to play Salesian because of that incident, did that fact cause Salesian to move up 12 Divisions? Clearly, there are various programs that would make a stronger case for being in the PAC 5, but they do not want to be! Not even Cathedral, and Especially not Salesian. So, if you are saying that Salesian is in the PAC 5 now because Br. John refuses to play against Salesian then you agree Cathedral should be blamed for the unfair outcome. A couple of hours ago you were saying Salesian deserves to be in the PAC 5 because trash talking coaches. Which one is it?

          • Slappy

            Not sure how i am making this entire debate about CHS vs SHS. Fred Robledo stated “So basically, Salesian and Cathedral have drawn a line in the sand and since both allegedly refuse to be in the same league, they will allow the ADs and principals to vote to determine who will play in the Pac-5 and who will go to the Mission League. It’s one or the other…..” So because i said you get what you get, you take it as me saying salesian deserves to be in the PAC-5? What I meant by that was Serra chose Salesian for a reason. Serra was the only one to submit a proposal and that proposal included Salesian in the PAC-5. Why didnt it include any of the schools that we all know would be a better fit? And what was Salesian’s response? They submit a league proposal that has Cathedral replacing Salesian in the Pac-5. You are right about one thing there are a lot of probable causes.

          • Miguel A. Rodriguez

            Neither belong there! there is no reasonable justification for either of them. That being said, Cathedral has experience playing Serra and Chaminade. What reason did Serra choose Salesian? I don’t know and neither do you, so with all due respect, the point I am trying to make is, enough with the rumors, Fred should do some all out journalism!

          • Slappy

            Everything starts from rumors. Maybe Fred will take these “rumors” and ask those in charge the pertinent questions.

          • FootballMan

            Slappy – We could go back and forth on this one regarding incidents between the schools over the years. But if Cathedral was so insistent on not playing Salesian in football, why did they agree to be in the same league in other sports?

            I’m sure you remember that two basketball teams met in a CIF quarterfinal a few years ago. It was a packed gym and a close game won by Salesian. There were no incidents before, during, or after the game.

  • BuddyKriest

    No one has balls to come out and say it but all the other schools are sick of Salesian stealing players. While all the schools recruit, the consensus is Salesian is a bunch dirty slime balls….so if they want to play the game they’re playing, they can play it with the big boys.

    • Miguel A. Rodriguez

      So what is your point? that they recruit like everyone else?

    • FootballMan

      The consensus? Of whom? The squeaky clean programs of all the other Catholic schools? Interesting that when the wealthier, whiter schools do it, it’s okay. But when the poorer, browner school does it, it’s dirty and slimy. Shame on your blatant racism

  • Slappy

    It is being appealed, so that tells me Salesian defintiely doesn’t want to be in that league. Serra is the one that made the proposal, and some are saying it was made because all the trash the Salesian coaches are talking about how they can play with anyone. You get what you get!

    • Miguel A. Rodriguez

      I stopped paying attention when you claimed “some are saying”

      • Slappy

        K thx bye

  • Myra Rodriguez

    Salesian Vs Bishop Amat
    Salesian Vs. Loyola
    Salesian Vs. Serra

    Let that sink in for a bit Fred.

  • Philip

    La salle will definitely win the mission league. Their defense is only getting stronger and with three new transfers from Arcadia and two more on the way the defense is set. The offense led by senior will pyburn is sure to put up some record numbers with Isiah spencer Lopez as his number one target. I would be scared to play this team

    • Slappy

      La Salle is 2-3 years away. They will finish last next season.