Tribune Super 35 Rankings: Bishop Amat still No. 1, but predicting Charter Oak won’t lose again this year!

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Northview freshman QB Steven Comstock undefeated: “What he is doing is not doing anything wrong,” Northview coach Marcel Perez said. “He’s being smart. He is getting rid of the ball when there is nothing there. He is managing the ball. Ever since he got here he’s been doing the right things. He has a great attitude and is very confident. He just runs with it.”

TRIBUNE SUPER 32 FOOTBALL RANKINGS
1. Bishop Amat (2-2) — You can make an argument that Amat should drop after an embarrassing loss at Chino Hills, but you can make a better argument they still belong here.
2. Charter Oak (2-2) — Here’s my prediction, Charter Oak won’t lose another game the rest of the year.
3. San Dimas (3-1) — Saints are a legitimate No. 3. Next season it’s time for Bill Zernickow and crew to add Charter Oak to its schedule.
4. Glendora (2-1) — Convinced Glendora is a Central contender, but not convinced it’s much more than that.
5. Damien (2-1) — Biggest jump up the Trib rankings after dismantling of St. Paul and only loss to Charter Oak.
6. Bonita (3-1) — Bearcats have improved since only loss to Monrovia. Test against San Dimas coming soon.
7. Los Altos (2-2) — Conquerors haven’t won the game that makes you go, “wow.” Will it happen this week at Monrovia? Probably not.
8. Diamond Ranch (3-1) — Considering only loss to Ayala, you have to say the post Roddy era is looking OK.
9. Northview (4-0) — Did you ever think you would say after Week 3 Northview would be the only undefeated team in the Tribune area?
10. Pomona (2-2) — They gave Colony a much tougher game that West Covina, losing in the final minutes.
THE REST: 11. West Covina (2-2); 12. Diamond Bar (2-2), 13. Arroyo (3-1), 14. La Puente (2-2); 15. South Hills (1-3), 16. Baldwin Park (2-2); 17. Covina (1-2); 18. Walnut (1-3), 19. Bassett (2-2); 20. Ganesha (2-2); 21. Azusa (1-2); 22. Duarte (1-3), 23. El Monte (1-3), 24. Rosemead (0-4), 25. Wilson (1-2); 26. Rowland (1-2); 27. South El Monte (0-4), 28. Nogales (1-2), 29. Sierra Vista (1-2), 30. Mountain View (1-2), 31. Workman (1-2), 32. Gladstone (0-3).

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  • Run-n-Gun

    Amat is good, but not PAC5 good. They are a competitive Inland team. Lets look at that amazing team they beat in Texas. Aledo is 2-1. One of their wins came against a team from Mexico, yes you read that correctly…MEXICO. Now Mexico is good at futbol, not football. Aledo’s other win cam against a Cedar Park team that is 2-2 and only averaging 21 points a game. My point is everyone was in awe of Amat beating a Texas team the WAS ranked and WAS a state champion. They didn’t play that team, they played an Aledo team that had a new HC and missing their best player. Their other win came against a Rancho Team whose wins are against teams with a combines 4-6 record. Rancho is no world beater and neither is Amat. Are they better than most teams on this list, yes. But we arent comparing apples and apples. Amat will be happy to make the playoffs while teams like CO, PHS, and SD are looking for CIF Titles. “They are what we thought they were” and in my eyes they were overrated and exposed by Chino Hills.

    • last picked

      Truth right here. All Amat has is past glory- way in the past-, which means nothing now. Aledo would be a Division 3-4 team in the Southern Section. Amat honks act like the team is back because they had a couple of good incoming classes in a row, like no other school has gotten better during those years. Reality is is that Amat is not even a mid level Pac 5 team, low level Pac 5 is being polite Division 2 is more like it.

      • Valley Athletics

        The top of division 2 is good enough to be middle of the pack in PAC 5 along with Amat . You have to consider the Moore , big 8 only have 1 strong team in there leagues . The marmonte league the top 3 are average and pretty much would be a toss up with Amat . In the mission we don’t know what will happen . It’s a toss up . Only the trinity is top to bottom upper level PAC 5 teams along with corona centenial and long beach poly .

        • last picked

          So would you say there are upper Pac 5 teams and lower Pac 5 teams and no middle ground. Either they are really good or not so much haha.

          • Valley Athletics

            I would say there is a proven elite 6 this year and a bottom 10 that are only in the PAC 5 because of there top league team . The rest of the 16 are are pretty close .

          • last picked

            I hear you. In my area you have Centennial and everyone else. Norco is in a transition period but has been solid the last few years. Corona, Roosevelt get penalized for Centennial’s success much like every other team not named Long Beach Poly in the Moore league. That’s where the enrollment rules in those districts are great for a couple of schools but kill programs at the others. With that being said, come playoff time, would you agree with the potential changes to the playoff format?

          • Valley Athletics

            It works for basketball .. It’s worth a trial period .

          • WCDan

            I agree, when your beating, or having close games with teams like Santa Margarita, Crespi, Loyola, Alemany and Notre Dame with regularity then I would think you are Pac 5 good, that has been Amat the past few years. I guess it depends on a persons definition of” Pac 5 good”. Is Pac 5 good being competitive in almost all of your Pac 5 games, or is it getting to semi finals or better in the Pac 5, or does Pac 5 good only include
            teams that have won the title recently, I guess it’s all perspective..

      • Conq ’76

        Last Picked….read your post but was waiting for you to say…”Therefore in this poll, Amat should be ranked….”, but you neglected to tell us where you would place them.

        • last picked

          Amat should be at the top in this poll, if Chino Hills is not accounted for. I am a huge fan of head to head competition, so CH has the edge. If Charter Oak or any other local school beats Amat, then they should be ranked ahead of them as well. Now that’s assuming records are the same, if say CH craps the bed the rest of the season and Amat has one more win then them, Amat stays ahead of them.

          • Conq ’76

            I agree and this is why it is more complicated to rate high school than even colleges which are all stacked into nice even categories. An argument could be made that Bishop Gorman should include Centennial and St. John Bosco in their polls as well. Or Aledo TX could include Amat…

          • last picked

            Strength of schedule has come into play on the national level for ranking purposes. Look at Bishop Gorman- which personally I think St. John Bosco will beat them by 3 td’s this week- and the schedule they play preseason and Centennial who’s preseason schedule reads like a playoff bracket crazy strong schedule, all for what? It doesn’t help you get into the playoffs if you tank in league. Look at JSerra last season 5-0 against a pretty strong preseason schedule, then goes 2-3 in the toughest football league in the country and gets no love for the wild card spot. I guess on the local high school level, it’s for bragging rights and not much more.

  • Seriously

    Fred,
    Your such a Bishop Amat HOMER! Any other HS team in any sport ranked #1 in one week and then have a “embarrassing loss” (your words) would drop minimum 5 spots. The SGV Tribune should be renamed to the Bishop Amat Times. Maybe you can dig up some of your old buddies from your days at BA high school years and do some spot pieces on “where are they now”. Really Fred – it’s getting rediculous how much you “lean” toward BA. There are other HS programs worth writing about. Get outside of La Puente dude or atleast rip BA more than “embarrassing loss” and drop them to #10 and deal with the BA faithfuls giving you grief until they prove they belong at #1. Seriously man – word on the street is your being paid to keep them in the press and in top 5 of sports to keep the enrollment up.

    • last picked

      Aram has it right, Chino Hills #1. I get where Fred is at, and I partly agree with it. Amat will beat local teams 9/10 times, but when it happens then that team should be ranked ahead of them . Fred does not include CH as part of his rankings, so Amat stays #1. What does it prove in having Amat in this local poll, nothing. It’s like having a poll for local colleges, SC & UCLA would be 1-2 all the time.

      • tony m

        I thought the Trib didn’t rank Chino Hills, Ayala and Claremont. . . . .Fred told me so himself. Why is Aram ranking them?

        • last picked

          I think they pick their own?

    • FredJ

      Seriously ..

      I went to Edgewood, the better school down the street. Really easy for you to say I’m biased for not dropping Amat, but behind who?

      A two-loss Charter Oak team that got smashed by La Mirada?
      A San Dimas team who lost to Monrovia and barely beat a Los Altos team that lost to Glendora?

      Do I rank Glendora ahead? They lost to San Gorgonio.

      Damien? No, they got beat by Charter Oak.

      Undefeated Northview? Don’t go there.

      Use some common sense. And by the way, click on the “UNBIASED” MaxPreps computer rankings listed on this thread to see who the computers have ranked No. 1 by a considerable margin .. .Heck, MaxPreps still has Amat ranked ahead of Chino Hills, who I don’t rank in this area because they’re a Bulletin school.

      Unbiased Maxpreps has Amat ranked 80th nationally (based on wins and strength of schedule) because of its win in Texas, crushing win over Rancho C., close loss to Santa Margarita, etc.

      Who in the Tribune area is ranked second nationally to 80th ranked Amat .. Glendora at No. 1,421 !!!!!!

      Could you sound any more silly???

      So, if the word on YOUR street is I’m being paid to keep them ranked high, lets hear you counter the points I just made and explain how that makes me a homer.

      I can’t wait for this …

      • tanksolot

        Good reply Fred, but not necessary. You are correct for this list. Seriously’s just pulling your chain.

      • Steve Ramirez

        Yeah, undefeated Northview should be No. 1! 🙂

      • AMAT 73

        Fred J ,
        Yes Edgewood was so much better that they had to close it due to lack of enrollment .

  • tanksolot

    Fred, the comment about San Dimas putting CO on their schedule next season is a great idea. Not sure how SD is set on returning talent, but CO will be stacked. Charger fans are watching several 10th and 11th grade starters getting better each game.

  • Amat News

    Hey Fred you mentioned amat will be streamed this week ive been looking everywhere to find it but nothing is showing up for this week against crespi. Can you please let me know where you found that link

    • last picked

      foxsports west, prep zone for next week against Serra.

      • Amat News

        He also mentioned via twitter this weeks game against Crespi will be streamed as well

        • last picked

          He got a week ahead of himself. Checked his twitter post and he said fox sports, but that has them next week. They will also be showing Sand Dimas v. Bonta that night.

  • Seriously

    Fred,
    Shame on me for listening to the “street” and having everyone think you where a BA alum…my bad/apologies. Seriously, when I chat with folks at sporting events (not BA) they all think you went to BA by the way you give them so much sports press and credibility. Don’t get me wrong, BA has (and will have) success – just like a lot of schools in the area. You know as well as I do that high school sports teams go up and down, lose talent, get talent. My point was merely to say that if Gendora (or whoever) was ranked #1 during that week and had an embarrassing loss (which lots of teams do) – they would have been dropped. But, BA……no. So give credit to the team that beat them. Even if just for 1 week. Chino Hills #1 – ….to answer your question. They beat BA – period (and handly) and have a better record. Who cares if BA played a Texas team. Run n Gun was spot on. They WERE a ranked team and WERE a state champion. Maybe that team graduated 12 starters? – doesn’t mean this year all the guys sitting on the bench last year will be as good as those that left.

    Seriously your going to base your whole argument on Max Preps? HaHa – that is hilariously funny. How many times has a Max Preps rated team in high school sports been beaten by lower or unranked team(s). Happens all the time in CIF playoffs which MaxPreps has way more data for their algorithms to spin through and they still don’t get it right. So your basing your BA being #1 from data in Max Preps from 3/4 games? On any given day a top rated high school team in any sport can and do get beat. It’s happening all around right now with “ranked” teams. Upland, BA, Glendora etc.
    Also, and MORE to the argument – many/most of these teams NEVER play each other so you or anyone else for that matter will never know if one could beat the other.
    So as “silly” as you say I sound my point wasn’t about ranking – but about you not treating BA like any other school would have gotten treated by an “embarrassing loss”. That to me is a cheap shot at CH who by your MaxPreps is only 7 spots back in the rankings of BA. How can that be embarrassing…what if the rolls were reversed and CH was #1 and got beat by BA. Paper wouldn’t have read CH suffers embarrassing loss by BA, it would have been – “Bishop Amat Shows Valley Football Who’s Boss in Domination of CH. Maybe CH is better this year – oh wait they beat BA with a “gratifying WIN”. And I AM NOT with CH football by the way.
    For crying out loud even Aram thinks CH should be #1 but who made the final decision? Hummmm….somethings “leaning” toward………so who’s silly now!!

    • FredJ

      FYI, You don’t see Chino Hills ranked in the Tribune Super 32 because I don’t rank Chino Hills in the Tribune area, which I explained. They’re used for rankings in the Inland Valley Bulletin area. If I were still using Chino Hills in rankings like years past, yes, I would have put them No. 1 ahead of Amat. But since I don’t …. you get my point.

      • Steve Ramirez

        Why not St. John Bosco, a fringe for the Whittier area? Just sayin.

        • Jefe

          LOL! I agree with Stevie R!!! Let’s put St. John Bosco in these rankings. 😀

      • Wells

        Fred — If you included all teams in the MtSac league alignment region these people would have to find something reasonable to complain about. There are teams in that area that are definitely Inland Empire. However, in the digital age a person can read a story about any school in the area if they desire (provided it gets covered).

    • AMAT 73

      seriously,
      I tend to agree with you that AMAT should not be in these rankings especially since we only play 1-2 teams on the list every so often . Aram’s rankings yes since they do encompass more that just the ESGV . These rankings are only for the ESGV and it’s not fair to all the other teams listed because AMAT will most likely always be # 1 in here , Now if and when Fred decides to do that and many of the AMAT faithful have have requested it because of posts like this and many more on this thread you will have to deal with CO almost always being at # 1 . Not saying AMAT or CO are head and shoulders above the rest , but you do kind of get the feeling that Fred sees it that way . So either way your next fight will be against having CO at #1 regardless of what or who they lose to . Think about it a team that is 2-2 is at # 2 with teams with far better records under them . What is the reason for Northview 4-0 being at #9 ????

  • Michael Scott

    Since Fred chooses not to include CH, Ayala or Claremont in his rankings, he should not include BA either. In reality that school is in a league way outside of our zone and the schools he doesn’t cover play against teams that are in our zone, so if anything he has it backwards. We would then have a legitimate local HS ranking system and that doesn’t include over hyped school that gets thumped every year by it’s own league.

    • FredJ

      I started thinking about it, if we continue to include Chino Hills, Ayala and Claremont, wouldn’t we have to include a bunch of others too, like Chino, Don Lugo, Montclair, where does it stop? Too many SGV schools have complained over the years that Inland area schools shouldn’t be included in SGV Trib rankings or all-area. Most were concerned about all-area because Inland was starting to take a lot of spots away from traditional SGV teams because frankly, they’re better football schools with different demographics.

      Plus, schools like CHills, Ayala and Claremont were eligible for both the Bulletin and Trib all-area teams, so lots of them were on both, which I didn’t think was right to the traditional teams here.

      So, there ya go, that was my thinking.

      • Jastrab

        I think the real issue for anyone wanting teams not on this list to be listed is the “poor” media support that nearly every other Star paper or not gives their region. I know the Daily Bulletin is a family paper, but go on their sites and you will see virtually nothing like we have in the SGV. We are spoiled with HS support in our area. Kudos to the SGVT!

        • tony m

          That is a big part of the issue Jastrab, as I’ve pointed out before. Fred does such a good job and even Aram provides much more coverage than anyone has in the Bulletin for the last 30 years! The other issue is the lack of consistency, Aram ranks some of the teams that Fred has said won’t be covered in the Trib. . . . I guess a blog doesn’t qualify as Trib coverage?

      • last picked

        Fred I don’t think you should include schools like Chino , Montclair ect, the only tie to the SGV is Garey. I would say if the league itself was, I don’t know, say 75% made up of local SGV schools, then maybe include them. I’m SGV born and raised, but have always thought of everything east of the 57 as Inland Empire anyways – including Pomona, La Verne.

  • Nomoredrama

    What because they copied De La Salle’s “hand holding” entry? How about doing something original?

  • MoreKetchup

    West Covina takes the second Hacienda League Playoff spot over LA and DR. Too bad you and Aram won’t be able to act like you knew they would along, especially with these rankings.

  • Valley Athletics

    Pomona and Chino Hills are both in the IE prep magazine rankings . Can’t believe they have Rancho Cucamonga at 2 and chino hills at 3 . Chino hills odviously should be ahead of rancho .

  • WCDan

    I say West Co is a semis or better team in the Central, as for Pomona giving Colony a much tougher game, I think West Co would also give Colony a tougher game at this point of the season.
    Tesoro, Amat, Chino Hills, and teams of that caliber will always be a miss match for West Co because WC’s wing t schemes are easy too defend when other teams match or surpass WC’s physicality and talent. The result are the recent miss matches that we have witnessed in recent years. I think against teams of upper caliber, WC’s best chances are to use a mixture of their speed along with their power run game instead of just ground and pound. We might have given up on the spread too early when we tried it back in 06. That type of offense was the one time WC was competitive in a game against a powerhouse, such as the Mater Dei game that year. Maybe a mix of schemes would serve West Co well with the speed and talent they have this year, Trying different types of schemes such as double tights, ace formation, and wing T, inside the red zone, or for short yardage situations, and maybe a spread option or pistol between the twenties.

  • Conq ’76

    Thus far this season, LA has shot itself in the foot several times. If Ziola can coach his team into not committing horribly timed penalties and rein Sylva in from throwing the ball to his opponent, league play will be very interesting. I am the first to objectively critique the Conq’s and I am convinced, they can beat WC and DR this year if, (and it is a big IF), they can play without handing opportunities to their opponents. ALL the Hacienda teams should be improving at this point.

    • AMAT 73

      Conq76
      I am sure we can all say that about our teams . Turnovers are a quickest way to hand the other team momentum and to lose a game.

      • Conq ’76

        I agree but after 40 years, i like to think I might be able to spot some areas a coach may be able to focus on to mitigate those costly errors. They almost lost to Santa Monica when SM tried an onside kick and the entire LA team backed away from the ball, playing as if it were a punt, allow SM to recover. This is a coaching issue and these kind of errors can cost a game in a close contest. This LA team just seems more prone to these errors than past teams. Just sayin’

    • WCDan

      Conq.

      Not trying to be a smart a_ _, Just curious, what makes you convinced that LA can beat West Co. this year, have you seen both teams? I haven’t seen L.A., so I’m just going on a hunch when I think our Bulldogs will prevail, because I see a pretty good team in WC as far as SGV standards go, but deep inside I know that I just don’t know, L.A. can turn out to be very good for all I know. If you have seen both teams this year then I should should take your opinion as valid.

      • Conq ’76

        Fair point, but my phrasing was more to indicate that IF LA managed to avoid some of the mistakes it has made thus far, “I have to believe” they have a true opportunity to beat both WC and DR. No I have not seen WC this year, nor DR, but have followed both clubs for years as well as CO and based on present day performances, I have to say LA has a shot at defeating WC and DR. In other words, I am convinced they have a chance if they don’t throw three interceptions and make a strong defensive stop only to give the ball back due to a penalty.

        Just sayin’!

        • WCDan

          I hear you 76,
          Similar frustrations with West Co in their losses too, either way I’m glad to see Los Altos back on the rise these past few years, it makes for exciting league play when you really don’t know how your team will stack up against your league opponents. Fun too see WC in a league with LA, CO, and Diamond Ranch, should be a tough go for everybody.